--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
See, we maybe conditioned to stop the car when the traffic
lights
turn
red. You can provisionally accept it, validate it as true,
based
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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See, we maybe conditioned to stop the car when the traffic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bashing other people's spiritual paths is *so* much
easier when you can find a way to reduce things to
a black-and-white formula, but such a formula is
rarely accurate enough to justify the bashing.
Amen to that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling
argument for teaching practises of meditation in a non-
movement way,
On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote:
That's all you can come back at me with? TM is secret mantra. The
pearl was thrown before a swine, and now, while you wrestle with
Vajravarahi you still don't see her. Fool. Argue with your self.
Noone here is home.
Your post was barely
- Original Message -
From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented
Nature Support?)
On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote: That's all
you can come back at me
On Jul 10, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Llundrub wrote:
On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote:
That's all you can come back at me with? TM is secret mantra.
The
pearl was thrown before a swine, and now, while you wrestle with
Vajravarahi you still don't see her. Fool. Argue with your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Being a pompous ass is not liberation.
Ah, but strangely, it is. :-)
If there is no non-liberation, as our teachers have
told us and as some of us have had glimpses of, being
a pompous ass is just as valid a way to pass
Good list Unc, I'll answer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What deliberate conditioning did *I* go through?
Every word you hear is conditioning.
I took TM in 1973, SCI and
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It's a ten million multiplier day so I'm giving it a
break. Peace.
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From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented
Nature Support?)
On Jul 10, 2004, at 8
Being a pompous ass is not
liberation.Ah, but strangely, it is. :-)If there is no
non-liberation, as our teachers havetold us and as some of us have had
glimpses of, beinga pompous ass is just as valid a way to pass
anincarnation as any other. Not necessarily as usefulto other
pompous
Good reply, t3rinity. I'll riff on that... :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good list Unc, I'll answer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Antidepressants are now the second-largest class of prescription
drugs, their sales exceeded only by heart medications. Last year,
according to NDCHealth, a company that tracks drug sales, 7.1
million Americans took antidepressants, an increase of 700,000 over
the year before.
These
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
These statistics are hard to pin down. The link below from a NY
Times article about an FDA committee, indicates 11 million such
prescriptions were written for children and teenagers. It says
this is almost 8%
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Lots of conditioning in the 2nd lecture (Bubble diagram) 2nd
day-checking (Theory of Stress-release), group-effect.
enlightenment, 'scientific validation', everything, every little
thing is conditioning. You will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Antidepressants are now the second-largest class of prescription
drugs, their sales exceeded only by heart medications.
snip
Mental illness is a serious problem. I want a cure.
Are you equating less than
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Being a pompous ass is not liberation.
Ah, but strangely, it is. :-)
If there is no non-liberation, as our teachers have
told us and as some of us have had glimpses of, being
a pompous ass is just as valid a way
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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A related issue is, even if the use of SSRI's etc was 30%, so what?
The implication, perhaps not intended by you, is that this would be
odd, crazy, an indication of social decadence. Perhaps even a sign
of raging
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A related issue is, even if the use of SSRI's etc was 30%, so what?
The implication, perhaps not intended by you, is that this would be
odd,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A related issue is, even if the use of SSRI's etc was 30%,
so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Just curious. Why is that? Do you believe SSRI's tranquilize
people? Get them high? Make them happy, oblivious to the ups
and downs of
Thanks for your response.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe it's pretty well established that
the most successful way to treat depression
is by a combination of drugs and talk therapy.
I know that's what many believe, but I've gotten great
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you equating less than optimal serotonin levels as mental
illnss? If so, that is sad, a commentary on how little you know of
the topic.
No. That's your characterization. Do you think this whole discussion
On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:49 AM, anonymousff wrote:
Jeff, can you define your view of mental illness a bit more?
Are people who do the following mentally ill in your view?
Watch Dr Phil or listen to self-help tapes?
Definitely! Watching Dr Phil, Dr Laura, or any of those other phonies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:49 AM, anonymousff wrote:
Jeff, can you define your view of mental illness a bit more?
Are people who do the following mentally ill in your view?
Watch Dr Phil or listen to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Jeff, can you define your view of mental illness a bit more?
Dude, you're way over the top on this. I used the term in responding
to your post # 61014:
Antidepressants treat a deficiency in levels of a needed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for your response.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I believe it's pretty well established that
the most successful way to treat depression
is by a combination of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
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Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why not, instead, say that Judy has an OCD-like need for perfect
accuracy that your writing style doesn't feed properly?
To be, um, perfectly accurate, I don't require
perfect accuracy, nor do my comments--to Barry
or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why not, instead, say that Judy has an OCD-like need for perfect
accuracy that your writing style doesn't feed properly?
To be, um,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Lots of conditioning in the 2nd lecture (Bubble diagram) 2nd
day-checking (Theory of Stress-release), group-effect.
enlightenment,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why not, instead, say that Judy has an OCD-like need for perfect
accuracy that your writing style doesn't feed properly?
To be, um,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Lots of conditioning in the 2nd lecture (Bubble diagram) 2nd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. I have never viewed TM as conditioning, but
rather as counter-conditioning.
Counter-conditioning is also conditioning
In fact, and yes, this could be my
own blindness to conditioning coming through,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's interesting. I have never viewed TM as conditioning, but
rather as counter-conditioning.
Counter-conditioning is also conditioning
In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's interesting. I have never viewed TM as conditioning, but
rather as counter-conditioning.
Counter-conditioning is also conditioning
Only
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See, we maybe conditioned to stop the car when the traffic lights
turn
red. You can provisionally accept it, validate it as true, based on
observation etc. The conditioning is that you connect two facts, the
red
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the it in your last sentence, Michael,
the experience or the theory?
The theory, Judy. It can only be the theory. The experience is always
innocent. It's the crazy mind we are talking about.
To subscribe, send
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only insomuch as any experience has an effect on the nervous system.
If the effect on the nervous system is to create greater flexability
atall possible levels as is alleged, then to call it conditioning
in the most
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I guess one way to make the distinction I'm trying
to get at would be to ask whether one might have
arrived at the same conclusion based on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Not a rationalization.
Didn't you know, Lawson? If it supports TM, or if it
doesn't support criticism of TM, it's a rationalization
by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
To me the parallel with the state of research on
new drugs is apt. The latter is clearly science
with a profit motive; the former is IMO science
with a prophet motive. The studies are
This is so good it deserves to be read again. Maureen Dowd would be
proud!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
To me the parallel with the state of research on
new drugs is apt. The latter is clearly science
with a profit motive; the former is IMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The ME studies are NEVER going to convince anyone
of anything. Period.
Since I'm stuck at home waiting for a phone call,
I'll revise that statement above. There is one
thing that could prove or disprove the ME to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Not a rationalization.
Didn't you know, Lawson? If it
name, there
am I with them.
- Original Message -
From: TurquoiseB
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented
Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
TurquoiseB [EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of America and many other countries is on a
constant prescription of antidepressants.
I'd love to see a source for this statistic.
I strongly suspect it's bogus.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of America and many other countries is on a
constant prescription of antidepressants.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I asked my personal doctor here (whose
practice is in the affluent 7th arrondis-
sement) about it and he shook his head
and said, The percentage among my patients
is probably even higher. They come in and
request
Actions of individuals who are motivated by fear can more easily be
predicted than those who have tasted freedom.
As far as I understand, transcending thought puts one in the position
of being unconditioned. This freedom to go beyond conditioning and
experience deep bliss is likely to produce
In a message dated 7/9/05 8:50:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Maharishi Effect is simply a statement from the
New Testament and is not new to Maharishi:
Matthew 18:19-20
19“Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about
anything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actions of individuals who are motivated by fear can more easily be
predicted than those who have tasted freedom.
As far as I understand, transcending thought puts one in the position
of being
Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling argument
for teaching practises of meditation in a non-movement way, without
deliberate conditioning.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
From where I sit, I can't tell that his motives for
introducing sidhis and all the rest are purely
mercenary. The maddening thing is, his actions
can be explained by his originally stated intentions
to
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
on 7/9/05 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/9/05 8:50:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Maharishi Effect is simply a statement from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
As far as the Maharishi Effect goes, for all the criticisms
I've heard (such as Fairfield's crime rate), I always think
back to the study published in '89 (or so) in the Journal
of Confict Resolution. That
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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wrote:
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snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of America and many other countries is on a
constant prescription of antidepressants.
I'd love to see a source for this statistic.
I strongly suspect it's bogus.
Originally quoted at a public talk by Dr.
Helen Caldicott, referencing a study by
the organization Médicins sans frontieres.
Is it on the Web? Can you give me a URL?
When was the talk given, or when
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented
Nature Support?)
In a message dated 7/9/05 8:50:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL
Either that, or there would be a heck of a lot of people walking around bored to tears after doing the siddhis for a few days.
Sal
On Jul 9, 2005, at 8:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
TM rocks. I honestly believe that if enough people
started meditating, as was the original World Plan,
it would
It's that horrible rough toilet paper.
Sal
On Jul 9, 2005, at 9:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Interestingly, the same organization just
released similar stats for France that
indicate that the usage of antidepressants
here is even higher.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Either that, or there would be a heck of a lot of people walking
around bored to tears after doing the siddhis for a few days.
On Jul 9, 2005, at 8:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
TM rocks. I honestly believe that if
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'd love to see a source for this statistic.
I strongly suspect it's bogus.
Originally quoted at a public talk by Dr.
Helen Caldicott, referencing a study by
the organization Médicins sans frontieres.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'd love to see a source for this statistic.
I strongly suspect it's bogus.
Originally quoted at a public talk by Dr.
In a message dated 7/9/05 11:45:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Even
better is the story of Soddom and Glockamora
You mean saddam and gomorrah. Glockamora was in a
song from the musical Finnean’s Rainbow
Yeah that's it! Glockamora was just an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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I'd love to see a source for this statistic.
I strongly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of
On Jul 9, 2005, at 9:48 AM, authfriend wrote:
No, that's what you read into what Lawson said.
What he *actually* pointed out is that IF the ME
was a real phenomenon, studies of Fairfield might
not show it. In other words, one can't say
anything one way or the other about whether the ME
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The Dharma does hold methods using yogic flying for
pacification but they are very different than the TM model.
Understanding what the differences are, I can't see how the ME
could really work--it lacks the correct
On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The Dharma does hold methods using yogic flying for
pacification but they are very different than the TM model.
Understanding what the differences are, I can't see how the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The Dharma does hold methods using yogic flying for
pacification but they are very different than
I can't see how the ME could really work--it
lacks the correct motivation--it lacks bodhichitta.Vaj, sometimes you surprise me at your anti - TMness. Getting
together in huge groups to pacify war and bring about positivity is ipsoo facto
Bodhicitta. Moreover, the shakti generated is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
To me the parallel with the state of research on
new drugs is apt. The latter is clearly science
with a profit motive; the former is IMO science
with a prophet motive. The studies are to prove
Maharishi a great
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
To me the parallel with the state of research on
new drugs is apt. The latter is clearly science
with a profit motive; the former is IMO science
with a prophet motive. The studies are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
It all depends on what the people who *use* the
science want to accomplish. To be perfectly honest,
the ME research is designed to be used to get people
to give Maharishi shitloads of money, NOT to get
people to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
Call me cynical, but that's certainly how it looks to
me. I don't think he's ever believed for an instant
that the ME would do what he says it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...]
Peter: In terms of 'evidence' one only has to look
at the crime rate in Fairfield and then look at the
number of meditators in the community to reject the
ME as it is currently understood.
--pointing out that
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented
Nature Support?)
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wrote:
The ME studies are NEVER going to convince anyone
of anything. Period.
Since I'm stuck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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wrote:
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[EMAIL
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of America and many other countries is on a
constant prescription of antidepressants.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I asked my personal doctor here (whose
practice is in the affluent 7th arrondis-
sement) about it and he shook his head
and said, The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments interleaved below, partly to add a thought or
two but mainly to reinforce some good posts by other people.
Kirk wrote:
The Maharishi Effect is simply a statement from the
New Testament and is not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
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Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling argument
for teaching practises of meditation in a non-movement way, without
deliberate conditioning.
What deliberate conditioning did *I* go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
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As far as the Maharishi Effect goes, for all the criticisms
I've heard (such as Fairfield's crime rate), I always think
back to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants being prescribed, simply that
a claim that one-third of the adult population
of the U.S. and many other countries based on
the number of prescriptions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't see how the ME could
really work--it lacks the correct motivation--it lacks bodhichitta.
Vaj, sometimes you surprise me at your anti - TMness. Getting
together in huge groups to pacify war and bring about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants being prescribed, simply that
a claim that one-third of the adult population
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For example, one-third of the adult popu-
lation of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I haven't been follwing this thread, so I may get
my ears boxed, but may I ask what the percentages are
for the Fairfield area? There must be a lot of people
doing TM in a small population zone.
Uns.
If you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants being prescribed, simply that
a claim that one-third of the adult population
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
None of this is to say that there aren't too
many antidepressants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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He may have scrambled it himself. Doctors and scientists aren't
immune from misquoting statistics either. It's the telephone effect
with
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