Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
on 6/18/05 12:31 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana Sawyer travels to India almost yearly, and interviews 100s of swamis, teachers, shakaracharas regularly. Sorry I haven't weighed in on this discussion. I'm now 462 posts behind. I feel like that guy in Master and Commander who fell overboard and watched helplessly as the ship sailed away. If there are some specific questions you'd like me to forward to Dana, post them here, but also email me directly, otherwise I might miss the post. (Although his comments on this issue have been posted here before, if anyone can find them.) He just returned from another extended stay in India, although I doubt that visit shed any new light on this issue, which is far too complex for my feeble brain. I always recollect Maharishi saying that Guru Dev didn't even want to be Shankaracharya. Seems to me like an important qualification for the job. I wonder about these guys who fight over it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am missing relevant info on Chandol, plese provide it. Done. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola That settles it. He's the ultimate authority on the Shankaracharya controversy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --It would be helpful in these discussions for there to be a common definition for terms being used egreal.When this word is it may mean something very different from one person to another. So for me the statement the ego is not real is an absurd statement thats because of how I define real.For someone using a different definition this statement may make perfrct sense.Kevin The ego is not real from the perspective of CC. However it is real in waking state. Real meaning that it is experienced or a phenomenological reality. There is no individuality experienced in CC. There is a very clear individuality in waking state. FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a difference between speaking about ego, I, Self etc. as if these were real objects that could be pointed to meaningfully in an abstract discussion, and speaking about one's sense of self. A sense of self is an experience, not an idea. By all appearances, it is a very common experience, and the absence of it is not at all a common experience. Does this have anything to do with what is real? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ego(self) is as real as the 'it' in 'It's raining.' -- paraphrase from something posted last year on FFL No it at all. Just raining. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am missing relevant info on Chandol, plese provide it. Done. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola That settles it. He's the ultimate authority on the Shankaracharya controversy. Plus 8 scholarly books on linguistics and music. What has Dana Sawyer published? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Past Life Stuff...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to note, that many people who are attracted to spiritual power in this lifetime, were in recent past life- times associated with power/structure groups. Superior(a pun)among them in the recent past was of course Nazi Germany. This would explain why people with such recent memories of past quest's for power, would be especially sensitive to same types of feelings and archetypes in the present. This would include the tactics of the Bush administration, as well as other organizational themes... So, when you see people concerned with power, and the abuse of power, and propaganda, and glorification of sheep/like obediance, and so on.. one way to explain strong reactions and knowledge of these areas... That's interesting - I've wondered about that too. Not just about Nazis though - I think it's a perennial theme. If you hold Love at the 12 o'clock position (in highest awareness) then its opposite, Power, will be at the 6 o'clock position (in the unconscious half of awareness). Whilst unconscious it will knock around causing trouble, until brought into consciousness and integrated. That's why in voluntary organisations/charities/educationsl/spiritual settings you so often get tremendous power battles - because Love (doing good, the wellbeing of others etc) - is at the top. You see more bad behaviour of people towards each other than you do in organisations where power is recognised and dealt with. Think of people who have gone into spiritual settings in order to just focus on that one aspect in their lives - and met power problems there (for instance an overbearing Mother Superior). It seems we can't get away from it. One example - Tony Blair sets himself up as an honest kind of guy (whilst you cringe at the mad 12th C crusader gleam in his eye) - and then gets hit by a conman scandal. Jung said: it is not our business to create figures of light, but to make the darkness conscious. The latter however is more difficult, and therefore not popular. I think people will always try and move towards being figures of light - with resulting dangers of inflation and all manner of things. The Roman emperors used to have someone at their side reminding them that they were only human. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, the one who began with the objective to find who or what that one was is extinquished in the process. That one(self)is not found because it was never present. Never present because it was predicated on a misapprehension of the situation. The feeling of a self is the misapprehension, the mistake of intellect, the false identity of pure awareness with limitations. The feeling is there only because pure awareness IS, not because the ego is. Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear; ignorance dissappears. Good stuff! That feeling of I is pure awareness projected into mind. Like Deep Throat said, follow the money. But in this case it is follow the 'I'. Self inquiry will disolve that I into pure awareness. How is it that once the I is dissolved into pure awareness, quite often after some time the I reemerges? If the self disappears then what is it that falls back into the illusion? Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not so pure? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am missing relevant info on Chandol, plese provide it. Done. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola That settles it. He's the ultimate authority on the Shankaracharya controversy. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola Category: Memoir Publisher: iUniverse Type: Fiction Pages: 338 ISBN: 0595099009 Copyright: Aug 1 2000 -- -- Discovering Brides is a controversial but entertaining novel about an anthropologist's struggle. With a family history of polygamy, and himself a product of a prearranged marriage, he sets out to perpetuate Indian tradition and find the perfect bride for his U.S.- born lawyer son, and in doing so revives in himself bittersweet memories. Discovering Brides is a bold, fearless story about the controversial cultural and ethical differences that exist in India's male dominated society. A father, and anthropologist, with a family history of polygamy, and himself a product of a prearranged marriage, sets out to perpetuate Indian tradition and find the perfect bride for his U.S. born lawyer son, and in so doing revives in himself memories, both pleasurable and painful. Vivid depictions of abuse, greed, beating, rape, and unbridled cruelty, amid counter-cultural traditions, penetrate the pages of Chandola's novel. Accepted behavior inherent in one religion, can sometimes seem abhorrent to those of another religious group. Cruelty and inhumaness in others are often disguised in faith and tradition. A woman consumes cow urine because of her encounter with a lower- caste man; a birde groom is beaten by relatives shortly before he is about to be wed. Policemen shoot at unarmed women and rape them during a protest march. Discovering Brides depicts a social and political structure that is impossible to ignore. History meshes with modern day politics, religion with myth, as readers are made aware ancient India's philosophy and the struggle to maintain the old traditions, while embracing today's way of life. Chandola a created a dynamic, thought- provoking, novel, that is educational as well as entertaining. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snipped a lot) Advaita addresses Awareness unfolded to its core, stripped naked to encompass All, even objective phenomenon -- including, along the way, the processes of perception, thinking, deciding acting. Nothing but Awareness. No duality. * And thus my use of the term triplicity to categorize expressions that include or imply a volitoner, Awareness and the World. In contrast to a duality view of Awareness and the World. ** I have started to use the term non-volitioner (or non- controller), instead of non-doer because there actually is doing being done so using english constructs there must be a doer.IMV, the doing is passive, and the doer are the apparatus -- the mind, intellect, deep and surface memory, perception, physiology, etc, doing acccording to their natures / structures /functions -- without need of a controlling volitioner. This is interesting but it makes me wonder what the power source would be for this apparatus to function? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
It is summer in Norway, and I have vacation. What am I going to do? I am going to initiate a lot of people into Transcendental Meditation. I wish you all a good summer. Ingegerd -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Um, OK, but how do you know that the, obvious to me at least, testing of the rajas by giving them silly titles and making them wear silly outfits is NOT a response to the self-importance of Deepak Chopra? Oh, My God! Spare me! Ingegerd It's a response to Chopra, I think. Chopra would never have stood for such a thing. Abu-Nader is quite competent, as far as I can tell, but he will never be able to set up a splinter organization based on his own personal popularity outside the TM organization the way CHopra could. But my creativity is blossoming outside the TMO.I am more fullfilled outside than inside the TMO. What is the purpose of the TMO? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
Sparaig. Are you from Norway? This is one of the Histories one Purusha from Norway is telling. Ingegerd Sounds like standard business practices, although not necessarily good ones. MMY used to tell people that they had a responsibility to inform him when his OWN behavior was offending Gurudev's dignity. I take it that such discussions were never made, or if made, automatically resulted in dismissal? Never heard him say that but if you did, I don't doubt you. Would have taken guts to actually do it. Unless you wanted to get kicked out. Then it would have been a cool way to do it. Never heard him say it directly. Just was told that by one of the older (historically speaking) TM teachers I knew. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shantananda
It was thousands od Dollars! 50 % of the initiation fees went to India -. Only in 1963, did Norway send kr. 70.000 to India (11.000 Dollars). The money was floating to India from all area of the world. Ingegerd This would have been about 35years or so ago. DOn't think that MMY had much money atthat point. That would be around 1970. Its my understanding that MMY had been substantially funding Shantanada's seat prior to that -- though its based on various convos, not one air-tight source. I don't see how. MMY's funding didn't take off til later as far as I know. And during that era, there was lots of money flowing -- the suitcase story is from that era. As suitcase of money isn'tnecessarily all that much unless it was in thousands... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] EU 'in crisis' over talks failure
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[FairfieldLife] UK is condemned - by France!!
France condemned the UK for rejecting a deal to have its EU rebate frozen. The French president was scathing about the British stance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4105970.stm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Wha!?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] UK is condemned - by France!!
--- chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: France condemned the UK for rejecting a deal to have its EU rebate frozen. The French president was scathing about the British stance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4105970.stm Oh joy! The Sat Yuga is truly here! We all are in tune with natural law! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is your computer slowing up a bit?
If your machine is not as light on its toes as it used to be, then it may be getting cookies from Yahoo which are causing this. Yahoo is not shy about admitting that it tracks people but the problem (slowing up) can be reduced, or so people say: http://www.rense.com/general65/Yahoowebbeaconsspy.htm Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your machine is not as light on its toes as it used to be, then it may be getting cookies from Yahoo which are causing this. Yahoo is not shy about admitting that it tracks people but the problem (slowing up) can be reduced, or so people say: http://www.rense.com/general65/Yahoowebbeaconsspy.htm Uns. Thnaxx! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening
Good morning Rick: On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote: Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of self all along but this delusion believed in over countless lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual. Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, one must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows the kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were never taught a path to nirvikalpa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your machine is not as light on its toes as it used to be, then it may be getting cookies from Yahoo which are causing this. Yahoo is not shy about admitting that it tracks people but the problem (slowing up) can be reduced, or so people say: http://www.rense.com/general65/Yahoowebbeaconsspy.htm Uns. Thnaxx! Thanks for the info. I just hope that yahoo's opt out works better than money donated for pundits and yagya's! JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening
In this world people are all doing many practices for liberation. In none of these practices is anything other happening than this: the stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the goal. There is nothing else but this. Those who say otherwise have gone off on a tangent. The stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the goal. This is it, That is it. All this is that. En How. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening Good morning Rick:On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote: Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of self all along but this delusion believed in over countless lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual.Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, one must attain "nirvikalpa samadhi"--and of course this is what allows the kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were never taught a path to nirvikalpa.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a substantial group of the 'newly awakened' here writing on FFL, willing to stick their necks out. How many of them are still closely associated with the TMO? And there is a good reason for this. If they had started having good experiences and tried to talk about them within the TMO, what would have happened to them? Among the teachers, even the teachers of so-called advanced techniques, there is no one who has been trained to deal with such experiences. In the general milieu, the We don't speak about our experiences dogma has been interpreted as Anyone who does is delusional and should be put down and shunned. In the contextof the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is off the program... It's actually very sad. And in answer to some of the people who have asked me why, since I walked away from the TMO 25 years ago, I hang out at this place, it's because Rick has provided a forum in which it is OK to talk about such things. When it all comes down, there is nothing meaningful we can say about enlight- enment itself. *By definition* it cannot be described. But we can talk about our particular path, and the adventures we have had along that path, and share with others our own subjective experiences, in an ongoing attempt to understand them, or even to come to grips with them. For me, that's a rare and unique opportunity, not just within the environment of the TMO, but within any spiritual group. I think it's a neat thing. Others are threatened by it. Go figure. Unc Now, look at spraig's statement carefully: In the context of the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is off the program... In the midst of an organization supposedly formed to promote and produce enlightmnent it's off the program to discuss it? What did George Orwell call it in 1984? Double-speak? I'm so glad I'm not an Alpha - oops that's another book. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is his word? One sentence from a conversation 35 years ago with a shankaracharay not recognized by the traditon. And his main work appears to be a novelist, on topics not related to Indian studies Cough: search amazon.com dana sawyer: Dana is a professor and eastern religion scholar who primarily publishes articles in academic journals in his field, not on amazon.com. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Purity of the teaching (was Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did you CARE? Because he was being a pissant, and a pussy pissant at that. I later asked the hotel owners, from whom the hotel had been leased for the 16 of us there, whether the course leader in question (the only one there) had ever tried to report what happened to the TMO. They said, laughing, No, because we explained to him that he got the key from us by lying to us about why he wanted it, and that what he did was illegal under Swiss law. If he had reported it, he could have been arrested, and we would have helped them carry him out. Unc How cool is that! I'll bet he never forgot that lesson. (Or if he was really dense he just smacked the next smaller monkey down the line a little harder.) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it jeopardizes the company, you bet it gets dealt with somehow. If it doesn't, the company goes down. Which personal behavior of MMY's has jeapordized the TMO? If I enumerated them you'd dismiss them as unfounded rumors and we'd be going in circles, so let's drop it. Uh-huh. Something other than the sex? Well that's one thing on the list. He lost many valuable people over that one. Unethical business practices are another. (Such as telling young men to smuggle suitcases of cash from one country to another to avoid paying taxes, and then having to bribe officials to get the young men out of jail.) Sounds to me like you've got a certain obsession, which you've been unable to drop. LoL... I think it's a very tenuous and slippery position to call carefully pointing out a truth based on direct experience 'a certain obsession, which you have been unable to drop'. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blissamide??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/features/anandamide.shtml What do chocolate cravings, forgetful mice, and blissful pigs have in common? The answer is anandamide, a recently discovered messenger molecule that plays a role in pain, depression, appetite, memory, and fertility. Its name comes from ananda, the Sanskrit word for bliss. Anandamide's discovery may lead to the development of an entirely new family of therapeutic drugs. Anandamide chemistry provides a rare glimpse of processes that affect human behavior at the molecular level Its receptor site is the same one that THC in marijuana links up with. Is it any wonder that Shiva is Lord of Ganja and Lord or the Yogis? Functionally, THC and Anandmide have the same effect in the nervous system by activating the same receptors. And yet anandmide is seen as a precursor to an entirely new family of theraputic drugs: and marijuana is viewed politically as having absolutely no medicinal benefits. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus 8 scholarly books [by chandol] on linguistics and music. What has Dana Sawyer published? Well, amongst other things, a lot of scolarly articles on monastic traditions in India. Here is the footnote from the S. Lineage article -- from over ten years ago. this was not a complete list in th mid 90s when the lineage article was written, and I am sure Dana has published a lot since then. But just based on these publications, compared to Chandol, it would appear that Dana has done more direct research into realms relevant to the Shank Tradition. My thanks go to Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art, who kindly shared with me the results of his field studies and interviews. See also his article, Monastic Structure of Banarsi Dandi Sadhus in Living Banaras: Hindu Religion in Cultural Context, ed. Hertel, Bradley R. and Cynthia Humes, Albany: State University of New York Press, 1993, and his forthcoming publication(s) on the Dandi Sadhus. (vaj: I have this work, it is excellent if you are interested in this kind of thing.) I am sure Chandol is a credible, respected prof in his field,. However his reserch intothe shank and monastic traditions appears to be one short convo 35 years ago. Even if chandols puplication list were 3x as large, it would not make his reporting of tha one convo even MORE credible. I beleive he is reporting accurately what he heard. It does not take a distinguished prof to report a few sentence convo. Any credible person could have done so. This issues are not chandols credibility but: i) the bulk of evidence: his reporting of a one sentence response vs Danas 100's if not 1000's of interviews ii) To what extent Shantananda represents the S. Tradition compared to all sitting Shanks and 1000's of months in the tradtion iii) to what extent Shantananda's comments might have been influenced by his seat being substantially supported by MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. Yeah, but that should not be used as an excuse to not debate or engage in rigorous intellectual learning. It turns out, these are an essential part of creating a framework where true enlightenment can manifest. Consider some sects of Tibetan Buddhist monks--they will spend half their lives in meditation, but the other half in rigorous debate. The reason is it is important to have that debate in order to create a fertile ground for the non-conceptual to take lasting root. This is especialy true in the era we live in today. In fact, it is these accumulations of good karma that allow that to happen. In New Age forms of eastern spirituality this is often discouraged. Depending on the path, this might be a warning sign that either the teacher does not know the path as he claims or there simply isn't a path to enlightenment being taught--that is, it's a false path and/or false View. As an example, before one learns the YS, one is taught what intellectual knowledge one must gain for the system to work and what virtues one must accumulate. As a further example, there are certain experiences one needs to accumulate *before* some siddhis can manifest (in this case accomplishment siddhis, not yogic siddhis). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html attachment: Kempton.jpg x-tad-bigger Tasting Your Way to Infinity. Part 1. The Feeling of Body, Mind, and Spirit. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSally Kempton/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFor twenty years, Sally Kempton was one of the foremost teaching monks of Siddha Yoga meditation, teaching under her monastic name of Swami Durgananda. She studied under Swami Muktananda for eight years and was a senior teacher under his successor, Gurumayi Chidvilasananda. In 2002 she lay aside her monastic robes, with Gurumayi's blessing, to begin a new phase of her teaching work. Although still drawing on the many gifts of the Siddha Yoga tradition, Sally is creating a fresh perspective on the heart of the spiritual journey, as it exists on any path. Consider, if you will, the following thought experiment: if spiritual practice involves going beyond thoughts, is the goal of meditation to actually lose your mind? And if losing your mind, or the ability to suspend /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerthought/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, is the hallmark of successful practice, then does that make whatever /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerfeelings/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger remain somehow spiritual? In this dialogue, Ken and Sally explore the anti-intellectual bias common to meditation practitioners (and teachers) and the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts. They suggest that every thought has a feeling space and the real trouble is not thought itself, but the inability to /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerfeel/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger thought as a direct, vibratory manifestation of pure Spirit. Together, they refute the idea that simply feeling or being in the body is innately spiritual, and instead suggest that there are at least two different kinds of feeling. Their conversation builds upon the notion that the body has feelings (or sensations), the mind has thoughts, and spirit has intuition. The real question/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwhat is it that actually feels feelings, as well as thoughts, intuition, and the texture of all that is arising, including the self-contraction?/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerbrings into fluorescence the critical distinction between feeling and Feeling, or that which is merely the object of awareness and Awareness itself. The idea that we must somehow rid ourselves of the self-contraction is an impediment to deep spiritual practice, and Ken and Sally discuss Feeling (as contrasted with feeling) as the foundation for Liberation as an always-already present capacity. When it is recognized that that which Feels the ego, or the self-contraction, is actually egoless, the fundamental seeking impulse is undone. Feeling fully the texture of all that is arising without judgment or aversion, we simply and effortlessly taste our Self. In closing, Ken and Sally discuss the role of Integral Spiritual Center and the opportunities for the cross-pollination between spiritual traditions it will provide and promote. Never before has a group of such diverse and accomplished spiritual teachers met together to lock themselves up in a room for a weekendnot as teachers teaching students, but as teachers teaching teacherswith the intent to share traditions, test one another's understanding, and sift the wheat from the chaff in order to arrive at a sense of an authentically Integral Spirituality, in any tradition. We hope you enjoy this illuminating dialogue with one of the most deceptively profound teachers we have the privilege of calling friend /x-tad-bigger
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not so pure? Rick Carlstrom It gets lost or muddled in the shuffle of perception, thinking, daily life. to use a knee-jerk but experientially valid analogy, when mud is added to water, the water is still pure, its just muddied up. The purity is not apparrent. If the water is filtered, it is still pure. Pure awareness is apparently pure (as opposed to apparently not pure) either when the mud stops flowing into the river, or the muddied water is filtered. I think both are experientially analogous to what occurs in consciousness (amongst other things). Stopping the mud flows to me refers to resolving / healing the vasanas. When vasanas are lively, the mind is a chatter box of thoughts and inner diolgue -- often concerning the past for future. When these seeds in the storehouse of impressions (chitta) are resolved, life goes on but the blaring boom box of monkey-mind chatter is not there. The water is not churned up and muddied. Awareness is more apparently pure, not muddled, muddy or whipped up in waves. The filter analogy to me experientially refers to a deepening of Awareness so that even when mud is thrown into the water, the lake is deep enough so that the mud quickly sinks, dissipates. The water, Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its this quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher states. And in some behaviors. More relevant analogies come to mind -- less muddy rivers flow into the lake (karma is purifed), ... but I will leave it with these two for now. However, I think there are a multitude of factors that can come into play to help keep the appearance of the water / Awareness. (Again, I say appearance because the water is always pure, it just does not appear to alwys be.) Many methods and techniques to keep mud ot, and to filter it when it is there. Thus given the paths and techniques one has practiced, different mechanisms may be at play in giving rise to the common experience of Pure Awareness. And may explain why descriptions and behaviors vary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Juneteenth
In a message dated 6/18/05 7:01:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today is the Celebration of the emancipation of the slaves in Texas:June 19th 1865. Although the Emancipation Proclamation was issued 2 years earlier, "word" only got to Galvaston on this date.Hard to believe given today's speed of communication, huh?I'll be spending the day participating in a parade and setting up my Volunteer Minister tent and giving people "assists."HAPPY JUNETEENTH!Jeff Jeff technically, the "word" had been here in Texas since the emancipation proclamation but it was just unenforceable until the surrender of the last Confederate forces in Galveston Texas on June 19th 1865. Former uneducated slaves couldn't remember the exact day for celebrating but knew it was in June and one of those "teenth" days, thus the name Juneteenth. A quick side not here, Sons of Confederate Veterans has succeeded in restoring two plaques removed by George Bush from the Texas Supreme Court building, in the middle of the night,during his initial run for the presidency in 2000 in an attempt to appease the Texas NAACP. The plaques said that the Texas Supreme Court building was built with funds from the Confederate Texas Widows Pension fund and a Quote from Robert E. Lee in which he said "He was sorry that he had to call on his Texans all too frequentlybut he could always count on them to "Push" the enemy." Happy Juneteenth everybody! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's is that as a group TMer's are too much out of their bodies and entrenched in mental concepts. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html Tasting Your Way to Infinity. Part 1. The Feeling of Body, Mind, and Spirit. Sally Kempton For twenty years, Sally Kempton was one of the foremost teaching monks of Siddha Yoga meditation, teaching under her monastic name of Swami Durgananda. She studied under Swami Muktananda for eight years and was a senior teacher under his successor, Gurumayi Chidvilasananda. In 2002 she lay aside her monastic robes, with Gurumayi's blessing, to begin a new phase of her teaching work. Although still drawing on the many gifts of the Siddha Yoga tradition, Sally is creating a fresh perspective on the heart of the spiritual journey, as it exists on any path. Consider, if you will, the following thought experiment: if spiritual practice involves going beyond thoughts, is the goal of meditation to actually lose your mind? And if losing your mind, or the ability to suspend thought, is the hallmark of successful practice, then does that make whatever feelings remain somehow spiritual? In this dialogue, Ken and Sally explore the anti-intellectual bias common to meditation practitioners (and teachers) and the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts. They suggest that every thought has a feeling space and the real trouble is not thought itself, but the inability to feel thought as a direct, vibratory manifestation of pure Spirit. Together, they refute the idea that simply feeling or being in the body is innately spiritual, and instead suggest that there are at least two different kinds of feeling. Their conversation builds upon the notion that the body has feelings (or sensations), the mind has thoughts, and spirit has intuition. The real question?what is it that actually feels feelings, as well as thoughts, intuition, and the texture of all that is arising, including the self-contraction??brings into fluorescence the critical distinction between feeling and Feeling, or that which is merely the object of awareness and Awareness itself. The idea that we must somehow rid ourselves of the self-contraction is an impediment to deep spiritual practice, and Ken and Sally discuss Feeling (as contrasted with feeling) as the foundation for Liberation as an always-already present capacity. When it is recognized that that which Feels the ego, or the self-contraction, is actually egoless, the fundamental seeking impulse is undone. Feeling fully the texture of all that is arising without judgment or aversion, we simply and effortlessly taste our Self. In closing, Ken and Sally discuss the role of Integral Spiritual Center and the opportunities for the cross-pollination between spiritual traditions it will provide and promote. Never before has a group of such diverse and accomplished spiritual teachers met together to lock themselves up in a room for a weekend?not as teachers teaching students, but as teachers teaching teachers?with the intent to share traditions, test one another's understanding, and sift the wheat from the chaff in order to arrive at a sense of an authentically Integral Spirituality, in any tradition. We hope you enjoy this illuminating dialogue with one of the most deceptively profound teachers we have the privilege of calling friend __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's is that as a group TMer's are too much out of their bodies and entrenched in mental concepts. Well, not twice a day. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conceptual Models and Experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. Thats among the reasons I find the use of the label of enlightenment counter productive if not meaningless. It appears to me that there are a variety of experience, the variety driven probably by different nervous sytems, different practices, different starting points etc. Discussion of experiences can be useful in clarifying whats happening. Discussion of what the arbitrary labels of A E do or do not mean seems less useful Why people cling to using AE labels continues to baffle me. As Vaj has pointed out in several recent posts, or my take on them, is that there is always more stuff to unfold, more stuff to dissolve or integrate. To draw a discrete line and say all of this is pre-enlightenment and all of that is post enlightenment seems silly and as you point out triggers a lot of silly discussion. However, I am open to the possibility that some actually find real value in using lsuch A E labels, categorizations and differentiations (us and them). What puzzles me is why those that use such labels don't appear to be able to define them well. I applaud you (Peter) for your definition the other day: CC is baby awakening. Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of I and me. However, for me that definition raise the question: Is this both a necessary and sufficient condition for enlightenment, per your POV? Same question to Vaj (and for all of the following questions) From your conceptual framework of defining what enlightenment means to you, you appear to find this a necessary feature / experience / fundamental shift. If there is not cessation of identification of consciousness with mind --end of I and me, there is never anything that could be called enlightenmet, in your view. Is that correct? The larger question is whether just having cessation of identification of consciousness with mind -- end of I and me is singularly sufficient for you to use the label enlightened for yourself or others? Or are there other necessary features / attributes experience that are necessary for the enlightenment label? I have no A E conceptual models and thus am not trying to fit any experience into any conceptual model. Nor am I personally seeking to conceptual posit what enlightenment is. Like I say, for me, its a bogus concept. But since others find value in the term, and use it, it facilitates communication to cleary define terms, particularly one that has such a wide range of possible connotations. That said, cessation of identification of consciousness with mind -- end of I and me -- appears to me experientially to be a weak form or preliminary sort of experience. But if state is what is meant by A E, it would explain or give mor credence to the often banter claim that so many are popping into A E. So again, is cessation of identification of consciousness with mind -- end of I and me both a necessary and sufficient condition for enlightenment and or awakening per your POV? This question is directed specifically to Peter and Vaj, and Tom if he is around, and certainly all others who which to contribute. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
on 6/18/05 1:19 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am missing relevant info on Chandol, plese provide it. Done. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola That settles it. He's the ultimate authority on the Shankaracharya controversy. Plus 8 scholarly books on linguistics and music. What do linguistics and music have to do with the Shankaracharya controversy? What has Dana Sawyer published? I just emailed your question to him and will post his response. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, the one who began with the objective to find who or what that one was is extinquished in the process. That one(self)is not found because it was never present. Never present because it was predicated on a misapprehension of the situation. The feeling of a self is the misapprehension, the mistake of intellect, the false identity of pure awareness with limitations. The feeling is there only because pure awareness IS, not because the ego is. Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear; ignorance dissappears. Good stuff! That feeling of I is pure awareness projected into mind. Like Deep Throat said, follow the money. But in this case it is follow the 'I'. Self inquiry will disolve that I into pure awareness. How is it that once the I is dissolved into pure awareness, quite often after some time the I reemerges? If the self disappears then what is it that falls back into the illusion? Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not so pure? Rick Carlstrom I don't have a clue. This is a good question for a guru such as MMY or SSRS. Perhaps it's because the self never really disappeared, rather, there was a vision of distinction between self and pure awareness. Small self still exists as body and memory and that is what pulls pure awareness back into I. Could there be a difference between enlightenment and liberation? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not so pure? Rick Carlstrom It gets lost or muddled in the shuffle of perception, thinking, daily life. to use a knee-jerk but experientially valid analogy, when mud is added to water, the water is still pure, its just muddied up. The purity is not apparrent. If the water is filtered, it is still pure. Pure awareness is apparently pure (as opposed to apparently not pure) either when the mud stops flowing into the river, or the muddied water is filtered. I think both are experientially analogous to what occurs in consciousness (amongst other things). Stopping the mud flows to me refers to resolving / healing the vasanas. When vasanas are lively, the mind is a chatter box of thoughts and inner diolgue -- often concerning the past for future. When these seeds in the storehouse of impressions (chitta) are resolved, life goes on but the blaring boom box of monkey-mind chatter is not there. The water is not churned up and muddied. Awareness is more apparently pure, not muddled, muddy or whipped up in waves. The filter analogy to me experientially refers to a deepening of Awareness so that even when mud is thrown into the water, the lake is deep enough so that the mud quickly sinks, dissipates. The water, Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its this quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher states. And in some behaviors. Very good point. (snipped to end) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other words, someone experiencing a sense of self has uttered these words. Contrast this with comments from Suzanne Segal such as: The mothering function is happening. It is happening better than if there were a mother. But there is no mother. She was referring to herself in relation to her child. From an outsider's perspective, she was obviously present, but she experienced no sense of a self. **END** The ego(self) is as real as the 'it' in 'It's raining.' -- paraphrase from something posted last year on FFL No it at all. Just raining. Objectifying principle? Projection? The meaning of 'pragya-parad' - creating an object where there is no such thing - the mistake of the intellect. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:51 AM, akasha_108 wrote: As I said I reached this conclusion quite sadly. Its not a conclusion I thought possible or sought. This was my experience as well. It was a similar process one goes through when someone dies. That was many years ago. When I also found out about the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order for attainment of CC and UC--and saw it totally contradicted what Mahesh taught, then I knew there was no possibility that there was a valid connection. 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/17/05 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither was I. I was merely pointing out that their decision to get away from the TMO may be the right one for THEM, but may not say anything about anyone who choses to stay around. I totally agree with you for once. Staying in the TMO may be the best thing for some people. Maybe not for life. Or maybe for life. Whatever floats your boat. Sure I agree too. Leaving is an observable trend though. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. What is needed are balancing techniques. - Bhairitu Peter Sutphen wrote: The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's is that as a group TMer's are too much out of their bodies and entrenched in mental concepts. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your machine is not as light on its toes as it used to be, then it may be getting cookies from Yahoo which are causing this. Yahoo is not shy about admitting that it tracks people but the problem (slowing up) can be reduced, or so people say: http://www.rense.com/general65/Yahoowebbeaconsspy.htm Uns. Thnaxx! Thankth. Are you thelling thweet thnaxx or thavoury oneth? Unth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? The Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness (jivanmuktiviveka) by Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always experience the opening of my crown chakra as expanding up and outwards, a powerful current of bliss energy blasting forth from the top of my head. Feels great, though I don't sense any 'light of the soul coming down' as you describe. Jim, Is the witness present during this or is it you? Always wondered what a good description of this was? JohnY hmmm, so first off, I call it the crown chakra opening because others have described such an energy center associated with the crown of the head area. So when I get this whooshy intense bliss coming upwards and outwards, it is me. At least there is no seperation felt, mainly because the bliss is so intense. Often times it feels like my face is flushed, and I am just intensely and quietly euphoric, in love with the world and everything in it. Nothing I am aware of reliably precedes such an event. The last time I recall it occurring I was pulling out of my driveway in my van...go figure...sometimes I've been able to get a mini version of it by listening to some power pop type music like Rush. This is my experience- not much of it makes any sense to me, hope it helps... I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. Yeah, but that should not be used as an excuse to not debate or engage in rigorous intellectual learning. It turns out, these are an essential part of creating a framework where true enlightenment can manifest. Consider some sects of Tibetan Buddhist monks--they will spend half their lives in meditation, but the other half in rigorous debate. The reason is it is important to have that debate in order to create a fertile ground for the non-conceptual to take lasting root. This is especialy true in the era we live in today. In fact, it is these accumulations of good karma that allow that to happen. In New Age forms of eastern spirituality this is often discouraged. Depending on the path, this might be a warning sign that either the teacher does not know the path as he claims or there simply isn't a path to enlightenment being taught--that is, it's a false path and/or false View. As an example, before one learns the YS, one is taught what intellectual knowledge one must gain for the system to work and what virtues one must accumulate. As a further example, there are certain experiences one needs to accumulate *before* some siddhis can manifest (in this case accomplishment siddhis, not yogic siddhis). I agree about the part about rigorous intellectual learning, only because I tend to live my experiences for awhile without questioning very much, so that I can just watch and see if I am headed in a direction that feels right- sort of an antidote to over- intellectualizing my evolution, and just living it. Periodically though, there comes a time where perhaps experience has become too contradictory or self referential to be able to make sense of it either just by myself or through the reference texts I have. At that point some rigorous intellectual accretion of knowledge coupled with discrimination seems to move me along quite handily; dispelling wrong concepts and reinforcing directions that are helpful. I find it wise in this alternation of experience and intellectual verification to easily move from one to another and not engage in trying to learn on the one hand or do on the other, when the very reverse may be needed instead. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear; ignorance dissappears. Good. But I'd say that even this is problematic, because people have different interpretations of what the word 'ignorance' means. I'd say something like, Enlightenment doesn't appear; the perception of it not always already having been present disappears. Unc Much better. How can the eternal have a begining? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. I think I get what you are saying- that the experience is so powerful and does contain the elements of unboundedness, like expanding to the stars, etc., that a question arises about the value of the experience? It must be some experience of Unity, or UC, because on the face of it, don't we agree we feel no gap during the experience [of powerful crown chakra bliss] between ourselves and the rest of the creation? There is where the difficulty comes in I believe, because there is no way to mentally resolve or even find a connection between the UC experience and the more localized 'normal' experience. That is why I remarked that it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. I just enjoy it tremendously and then get on with what I have to do next. Sort of like the relationship between going to wrk and going on vacation. There is no derect link between the two, though they are mutually supportive of each other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I haven't. If I have, then my comments might make sense to others who have had CC episodes. If I haven't, then perhaps they won't. My question to YOU: why do YOU care whether or not I have had such episodes? Speaking only for myself, I'm 'way past the point where I pay attention to people who are merely repeating what they have been told about enlight- enment. I'm only interested in people's personal experiences with it, and comparing them to my own. Unc - boy does that ring a bell with me. Reading and hearng direct accounts is what interests me too. Getting those people to talk can be a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, intuition is still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. What is needed are balancing techniques. Shree is Saraswati? More commonly identified with Lakshmi. I think it is an interesting consideration though that there could be balancing techniques. What about Vishnu Sahasranama or Rudram as balancing techniques? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Saturn Beeja Mantra
Title: Saturn Beeja Mantra From a friend: Each day this week I will be sending out the mantra for the planet that rules that day. Today is Saturday, Saturn's day. His name in Sanskrit is most commonly Shani. Each planet of course has a lot of names in sanskrit each name corresponding to a particular quality. This is the beeja or seed mantra for Saturn. It is to be chanted 17,000 times. This can be done at the time you are having a yagya done for shani or on your own if you cannot afford a yagya for him. Om Hreem Shreem Graha Chakravartinyay Shainishcharaaya Kleem Aim Saha Swaahaa Sanskrit is pronounced as you see it. A double letter is pronounced like a single only held longer. So swaahaa is pronounced swawhaw whereas graha is pronounced with the mouth less open. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 'Is The Bush Administration Becoming an Occupying Force?...'
The troops in Iraq, occupying the country, are getting lot's of experience with insurgancy and urban warfare. Could it be, that if there is another terrorist attack, that these same troops could be used to put down a revolt here in the U.S.? Could it be that if the Bush administration, dosen't change it's stance on Iraq, then a revolt in the U.S. could be beginning now..as we speak? Is the Bush admistration, not only occupying Iraq, but beginning to occupy America? R. Gimbel Seattle, WA. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] balancing techniques
shukra69 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. What is needed are balancing techniques. Shree is Saraswati? More commonly identified with Lakshmi. I think it is an interesting consideration though that there could be balancing techniques. What about Vishnu Sahasranama or Rudram as balancing techniques? Please read my post again. I said advanced technique users. Balancing techniques are usually much shorter (a mantra) that something like the Vishnu Sahasranama. :) Omkara is also considered centering and grounding and TM mantras don't use it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saturn Beeja Mantra
Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: Each day this week I will be sending out the mantra for the planet that rules that day. Today is Saturday, Saturn's day. His name in Sanskrit is most commonly Shani. Each planet of course has a lot of names in sanskrit each name corresponding to a particular quality. This is the beeja or seed mantra for Saturn. It is to be chanted 17,000 times. This can be done at the time you are having a yagya done for shani or on your own if you cannot afford a yagya for him. Om Hreem Shreem Graha Chakravartinyay Shainishcharaaya Kleem Aim Saha Swaahaa Sanskrit is pronounced as you see it. A double letter is pronounced like a single only held longer. So swaahaa is pronounced swawhaw whereas graha is pronounced with the mouth less open. But westerners often pronounce Om like Ahm or rhyming with calm when it should rhyme with home. Ahm is a fruit. :) Then we can also get into the ages long dispute of whether the askshara should end with an m sound or ng. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Simple sunsrise/sunset Yagyas instruction site
I just happened to come accross this site that has instructions for simple sunrise and/or sunset Yagyas. If the cow dung requirement seems insurmountable in your area I know it can be found in the Puja items at www.ayurveda.com the yagya site is http://www.agnihotra.org/ there is some interesting stuff there about homa and results for healing and their experiences with agriculture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Is The Bush Administration Becoming an Occupying Force?....
In a message dated 6/18/05 1:34:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could it be that if the Bush administration, dosen't change it's stance on Iraq, then a revolt in the U.S. could be beginning now..as we speak? Is the Bush admistration, not only occupying Iraq, but beginning to occupy America? R. Gimbel Seattle, WA. Is this wishful thinking or intuition? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your machine is not as light on its toes as it used to be, then it may be getting cookies from Yahoo which are causing this. Yahoo is not shy about admitting that it tracks people but the problem (slowing up) can be reduced, or so people say: http://www.rense.com/general65/Yahoowebbeaconsspy.htm Cookies do not slow your machine down. In fact, you wouldn't be posting here from the web interface without cookies because it is a cookie set by Yahoo that determines whether or not you are logged into Yahoo's network. Word of advice: if it's on rense.com, there's a very good chance it's paranoid nutter BS. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So which Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath has endorsed YOU as a preferred candidate to become his sucessor? It's just a meaningless statement, Lawson. It's like someone saying, My choice for US President is Nelson Mandela. Not gonna happen; can't ever happen until they change the laws for Ahnuld. So it's easy to say. Why would Swami say it if it wasn't what he thought? My understanding is tha the TMO was providing substantial funding for Shantanada and his Shakaracharayaship. (Correct me if my understanding is wrong). And Shantanada knew that your professor friend was quite interested and looked favorably upon MMY( didn't he? correct my understanding if I am wrong). Its not uncommon for reicpients to speak highly of their benefactors, in heart felt, but sometimes exagerated terms. And its not uncommon to load praise on someone whom the audience / listener admires -- it gives the listener a thrill. So perhaps in the spirit of Indian conviviality and expressive laudations, Shantanada gave copious praise to his benefactor, knowing it would thrill your friend, even if some aspects were a bit exaggerated or out of context. I could imagine Shantanand telling MMY that such and such a very wise and grand professor visited him and the man was of such sterling character it was of such a credit to MMY that his admirers were so wise and grand. Anyway, I sense some grandness and goodwill, of the superlative Indian type, in what Shantananda told your prof friend. Just a hunch. Akasha wrote: So perhaps in the spirit of Indian conviviality and expressive laudations, Shantanada gave copious praise to his benefactor, knowing it would thrill your friend, even if some aspects were a bit exaggerated or out of context. That's certainly a polite way of pointing out the Indian position on truthfulness. This Indian POV on truth is something to be remembered in all discussions about both enlightenment and their comments about spiritual teachers. At it's worst level of expression think about sentences that have appeared in the announcements for the recert courses. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Infinite Love Heals All...'
INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH - EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION Be compassionate and never forget how to love.Think inclusively.Reclaim noble values such as truth, honesty, honour, courage.Respect one's elders and look to what they have to teach you.Be empathetic.Look after the less fortunate in society.Promote and protect diversity.Respect the gifts of the natural world.Set your goals high and take pride in what you do.Cherish and look after your body, and, as the ancient Greeks believed, your mind will serve you better.Put back into the community as there have been those before you have done the same and you are reaping what they sowed.Participate in and protect democracy. It does not thrive as a spectator sport.Undertake due diligence in everything.Seek balance and space, and solitude.Don't be afraid to feel passionate about something.Learn to be an advocate and an ambassador for good.Be mindful of your limitations.Indulge and nurture your curiosity as it will keep you vital.Take charge of your life and don't fall into the pit of entitlement.Assume nothing , take nothing for granted, things are not necessarily what they seem."- Loreena McKennith - Taken from http://www.quinlanroad.com/aboutus/lmintro_page3.asp"There Is no Path to Peace. Peace Is the Path."~ ~Ghandi If you understand things are just as they are. If you do not understand things are just as they are. " Re-member that what you focus on grows. "" Tend your garden with loving care. " In the Name of ONE, Sandy http://oneflynangel.com Your answers all lie Within You. I suggest We each Use Our Own Discernment to Distinguish What is "Ours" and what is for someone else ! In the Name of ONE, Sandy http://oneflynangel.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Infinite Love Heals All...'
In a message dated 6/18/05 3:07:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be compassionate and never forget how to love.Think inclusively.Reclaim noble values such as truth, honesty, honour, courage.Respect one's elders and look to what they have to teach you.Be empathetic.Look after the less fortunate in society.Promote and protect diversity.Respect the gifts of the natural world.Set your goals high and take pride in what you do.Cherish and look after your body, and, as the ancient Greeks believed, your mind will serve you better.Put back into the community as there have been those before you have done the same and you are reaping what they sowed.Participate in and protect democracy. It does not thrive as a spectator sport.Undertake due diligence in everything.Seek balance and space, and solitude.Don't be afraid to feel passionate about something.Learn to be an advocate and an ambassador for good.Be mindful of your limitations.Indulge and nurture your curiosity as it will keep you vital.Take charge of your life and don't fall into the pit of entitlement.Assume nothing , take nothing for granted, things are not necessarily what they seem."- Loreena McKennith - Taken from Shit, sounds like too much trouble for me. Tax me a little more and let the government take care of it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone tries to share their experience they must do so through their interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that terms like unboundedness may mean one thing to one person and something else to another person(even if they are using the same interpretative system).Infact in my own case the experience which I have called unboundedness has changed over time so that what I meant by that term 10 yrs ago is not the same as what I meant by it now ie at first it seemed to me that the mind was unbounded and now it seems like the unbounded(awareness)is other than the mind.Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I haven't. If I have, then my comments might make sense to others who have had CC episodes. If I haven't, then perhaps they won't. My question to YOU: why do YOU care whether or not I have had such episodes? Speaking only for myself, I'm 'way past the point where I pay attention to people who are merely repeating what they have been told about enlight- enment. I'm only interested in people's personal experiences with it, and comparing them to my own. Unc - boy does that ring a bell with me. Reading and hearng direct accounts is what interests me too. Getting those people to talk can be a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, intuition is still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it totally contradicted what Mahesh taught Premanand Paul Mason wrote: 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness (jivanmuktiviveka) by Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. This is what I was hoping that you could elaborate on. Not just an idle request. I think you would be doing a service for the readers of FFL to bring out the significant differences/contradictions to what many of us were taught. a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shukra69 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Really? I don't get it! From Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat (86/108, kRSNa-yajur-veda): kuNDalyeva bhavechchhaktistaa.n tu sa.nchaalayedbudha . svasthaanaadaabhruvormadhya.n shaktichaalanamuchyate .. 7.. My attempt at translation: Well, kuNDalii becomes shakti, a_wise_man(?) should move it from_its_own_place(?) to /the spot/ between the eyebrows, that's called shakti-caalana. Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. What is needed are balancing techniques. Shree is Saraswati? More commonly identified with Lakshmi. I think it is an interesting consideration though that there could be balancing techniques. What about Vishnu Sahasranama or Rudram as balancing techniques? Please read my post again. I said advanced technique users. Balancing techniques are usually much shorter (a mantra) that something like the Vishnu Sahasranama. :) Omkara is also considered centering and grounding and TM mantras don't use it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Shakti mantras have to do with the head? Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. -Where did you get this? What is needed are balancing techniques.- BhairituPeter Sutphen wrote:The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's isthat as a group TMer's are too much out of theirbodies and entrenched in mental concepts.--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Recert News
Title: Recert News Reportedly about $800K in checks were signed for the first months recert pay, but not much came in to cover that. It has now dawned on them that its difficult and expensive to get into malls. Many malls have refused them. It also turns out that 5 year leases are typical and that individuals must sign for them. Any volunteers? So reportedly all the rajas have flown to Vlodrop to rethink. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Neelam comes to Fairfield
Dear Fairfield friends, This coming week Neelam will be stopping in Fairfield as part of a world tour. There is scheduled 2 evenings of open question and answer (Satsang) and an all day going deeper into personal issues and coaching on living daily life in Unity - right now. See attachments for details. Personally I consider her to be an amazingly talented coach who has made awakening so simple and fun. She reminds people to take whatever is going on in the moment, be totally authentic with that, and rest in consciousness. She inspires us to be tender with yourself, especially when you feel the separation and then notice how easy it is to fall back into resting in consciousness. I highly recommend the evening meetings at Revelations as they are fun, interesting to see other people's experiences, and sometimes feel like an atmosphere of magic is created - the magic of awake collective consciousness. It's an open mike of question and answer - and given the Fairfield audience the questions and experiences are often profound and fascinating. Call me if you need any more information or want to listen to some tapes. Phil Philip Hirschhorn, CEO Prime Sites, Inc. 108 E. Monroe Ave. Fairfield, Iowa 52556 (641) 469-5002 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reportedly about $800K in checks were signed for the first months recert pay, but not much came in to cover that. It has now dawned on them that its difficult and expensive to get into malls. Many malls have refused them. It also turns out that 5 year leases are typical and that individuals must sign for them. Any volunteers? So reportedly all the rajas have flown to Vlodrop to rethink. Its pretty funny (and sad) that they launch a huge new project, rally the troops, and yet didn't even research the basics of their business plan. So much for TM creates sharper minds. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reportedly about $800K in checks were signed for the first months recert pay, but not much came in to cover that. It has now dawned on them that its difficult and expensive to get into malls. Many malls have refused them. It also turns out that 5 year leases are typical and that individuals must sign for them. Any volunteers? So reportedly all the rajas have flown to Vlodrop to rethink. Anyone know for sure where the money is coming from? Rumour is that dean's territory is getting paid but the other territories are hit and miss regarding payment of salaries and expenses, implying the money may be coming directly from the rajas who each have different policies and abilities to pay. Hard to believe tmo itself is paying out $4000 salaries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Recert News
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reportedly about $800K in checks were signed for the first months recert pay, but not much came in to cover that. It has now dawned on them that its difficult and expensive to get into malls. Many malls have refused them. It also turns out that 5 year leases are typical and that individuals must sign for them. Any volunteers? So reportedly all the rajas have flown to Vlodrop to rethink. Anybody with any degree of commercial business experience needed to speak-up when all these plans were being formulated. I assume there was at least one raja or course participant with such experience that could have mentioned 3 to 5 year leases and the typical commercial lease rates. But talking about such practical limitations might have been viewed as being negative. Oh well. When are the pundits coming again? I forgot. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sparaig. Are you from Norway? This is one of the Histories one Purusha from Norway is telling. Ingegerd I live in Arizona, USA and heard it in Arizona, USA. Sounds like standard business practices, although not necessarily good ones. MMY used to tell people that they had a responsibility to inform him when his OWN behavior was offending Gurudev's dignity. I take it that such discussions were never made, or if made, automatically resulted in dismissal? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shantananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was thousands od Dollars! 50 % of the initiation fees went to India -. Only in 1963, did Norway send kr. 70.000 to India (11.000 Dollars). The money was floating to India from all area of the world. Ingegerd I meant if the bills were in thousands. This would have been about 35years or so ago. DOn't think that MMY had much money atthat point. That would be around 1970. Its my understanding that MMY had been substantially funding Shantanada's seat prior to that -- though its based on various convos, not one air-tight source. I don't see how. MMY's funding didn't take off til later as far as I know. And during that era, there was lots of money flowing -- the suitcase story is from that era. As suitcase of money isn'tnecessarily all that much unless it was in thousands... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That's certainly a polite way of pointing out the Indian position on truthfulness. This Indian POV on truth is something to be remembered in all discussions about both enlightenment and their comments about spiritual teachers. At it's worst level of expression think about sentences that have appeared in the announcements for the recert courses. JohnY This shining crest-jewel of piercing intellect has thrilled that infinite Brahman with a shimmmering wave of amrita. The gods dance when such pearls of knowledge effortlessly flow from that finest feeling level of the Atman. Such joy is almost never seen in all the infinite cycles of creation. Hail Johny! Hail Johny! Hail Johny! Oh rishi, oh sage, oh infinite fullness! Hey, not too bad. Do you think I could get a job as a copy writer? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning Rick: On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote: Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of self all along but this delusion believed in over countless lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual. Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, one must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows the kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were never taught a path to nirvikalpa. LOL. What do you think nirvikalpa is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening
There is no goal nor path in TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this world people are all doing many practices for liberation. In none of these practices is anything other happening than this: the stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the goal. There is nothing else but this. Those who say otherwise have gone off on a tangent. The stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the goal. This is it, That is it. All this is that. En How. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening Good morning Rick: On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote: Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of self all along but this delusion believed in over countless lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual. Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, one must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows the kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were never taught a path to nirvikalpa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Now, look at spraig's statement carefully: In the context of the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is off the program... In the midst of an organization supposedly formed to promote and produce enlightmnent it's off the program to discuss it? What did George Orwell call it in 1984? Double-speak? I'm so glad I'm not an Alpha - oops that's another book. The way that can be spoken is not the Constant Way. Enlightenment isn't something you can describe, so why try? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is his word? One sentence from a conversation 35 years ago with a shankaracharay not recognized by the traditon. And his main work appears to be a novelist, on topics not related to Indian studies Cough: search amazon.com dana sawyer: Dana is a professor and eastern religion scholar who primarily publishes articles in academic journals in his field, not on amazon.com. Which journals? Chandola is (was he's retired) a Professor of Sanskrit, INdian Culture and linguistics who primarily published articles in academic journals in his field. He was born into a Brahmin family and relatives married into the high-level groups that helped select Swami Brahmananda in the first place, so this is his FAMILY history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen few signs of newly awakened on this group. In fact, quite the opposite, unless one assumes that the habitual responses of the newly awakened include knee-jerk criticism of an organization they no longer care to be affiliated with. Signs of awakening are in the eye of the beholder. Since there ARE no physical signs of enlightenment, what exactly is it you're looking for? Also, knees may jerk for very different reasons. One variety may be an autonomic reaction, as in what happens when the doctor whangs you with one of those cute little hammers. On the other hand, one may also choose to move one's leg as the result of long-considered thought. Doncha think what you're reacting to is the criticism itself? Sure looks that way from here... Unc Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... BTW, there ARE physical signs of enlightenment. Where does it say there are none? There are no personality/behavioral signs, but insomuch as enlightenment is a state of consciousness, of course there are signs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Purity of the teaching (was Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did you CARE? Because he was being a pissant, and a pussy pissant at that. I later asked the hotel owners, from whom the hotel had been leased for the 16 of us there, whether the course leader in question (the only one there) had ever tried to report what happened to the TMO. They said, laughing, No, because we explained to him that he got the key from us by lying to us about why he wanted it, and that what he did was illegal under Swiss law. If he had reported it, he could have been arrested, and we would have helped them carry him out. Unc How cool is that! I'll bet he never forgot that lesson. (Or if he was really dense he just smacked the next smaller monkey down the line a little harder.) Why do YOU care? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. How about: How futile it is to attempt to express experiences, period? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it jeopardizes the company, you bet it gets dealt with somehow. If it doesn't, the company goes down. Which personal behavior of MMY's has jeapordized the TMO? If I enumerated them you'd dismiss them as unfounded rumors and we'd be going in circles, so let's drop it. Uh-huh. Something other than the sex? Well that's one thing on the list. He lost many valuable people over that one. Unethical business practices are another. (Such as telling young men to smuggle suitcases of cash from one country to another to avoid paying taxes, and then having to bribe officials to get the young men out of jail.) Sounds to me like you've got a certain obsession, which you've been unable to drop. LoL... I think it's a very tenuous and slippery position to call carefully pointing out a truth based on direct experience 'a certain obsession, which you have been unable to drop'. I think its very tenuous and slippery to assume that Rick is being honest with himself or anyone else when he says things like he does. The consensual sexual activities of an adult human with another adult human are usually considered to be a private matter, unless you're a prude. Amazing how many prudes there are on this forum... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus 8 scholarly books [by chandol] on linguistics and music. What has Dana Sawyer published? Well, amongst other things, a lot of scolarly articles on monastic traditions in India. Here is the footnote from the S. Lineage article -- from over ten years ago. this was not a complete list in th mid 90s when the lineage article was written, and I am sure Dana has published a lot since then. But just based on these publications, compared to Chandol, it would appear that Dana has done more direct research into realms relevant to the Shank Tradition. My thanks go to Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art, who kindly shared with me the results of his field studies and interviews. See also his article, Monastic Structure of Banarsi Dandi Sadhus in Living Banaras: Hindu Religion in Cultural Context, ed. Hertel, Bradley R. and Cynthia Humes, Albany: State University of New York Press, 1993, and his forthcoming publication(s) on the Dandi Sadhus. (vaj: I have this work, it is excellent if you are interested in this kind of thing.) I am sure Chandol is a credible, respected prof in his field,. However his reserch intothe shank and monastic traditions appears to be one short convo 35 years ago. Even if chandols puplication list were 3x as large, it would not make his reporting of tha one convo even MORE credible. I beleive he is reporting accurately what he heard. It does not take a distinguished prof to report a few sentence convo. Any credible person could have done so. This issues are not chandols credibility but: i) the bulk of evidence: his reporting of a one sentence response vs Danas 100's if not 1000's of interviews One person made 100's if not 1000's of interviews? At 10 minutes per interview, disallowing travel time, we're talking a rather extended period of time... Who told you he made thousands of interviews concerning the succession of the Shankaracharya of the North? ii) To what extent Shantananda represents the S. Tradition compared to all sitting Shanks and 1000's of months in the tradtion Shantananada DEFINES the tradition via Gurudev according to the will. iii) to what extent Shantananda's comments might have been influenced by his seat being substantially supported by MMY. Or to what extent the other Shankaracharya's might have objected because MMY was NOT Brahmin? BTW, niether was the Buddha. Are you so into the caste-system in India that you'll blast the Buddha because he wasn't approved of by the Brahmins? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. In the first part of my training a portion was on people who will report instances of enlightenment after practicing certain practices, so there is a practical literature out there on this very topic, it's just not generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone on email lists). -V. Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong you are if you don't express your experience of enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. Yeah, but that should not be used as an excuse to not debate or engage in rigorous intellectual learning. It turns out, these are an essential part of creating a framework where true enlightenment can manifest. Consider some sects of Tibetan Buddhist monks--they will spend half their lives in meditation, but the other half in rigorous debate. The reason is it is important to have that debate in order to create a fertile ground for the non-conceptual to take lasting root. This is especialy true in the era we live in today. In fact, it is these accumulations of good karma that allow that to happen. In New Age forms of eastern spirituality this is often discouraged. Depending on the path, this might be a warning sign that either the teacher does not know the path as he claims or there simply isn't a path to enlightenment being taught--that is, it's a false path and/or false View. As an example, before one learns the YS, one is taught what intellectual knowledge one must gain for the system to work and what virtues one must accumulate. As a further example, there are certain experiences one needs to accumulate *before* some siddhis can manifest (in this case accomplishment siddhis, not yogic siddhis). So you're saying that MMY's claims that the system has become topsy- turvy are disproven because everyone in the system claims that MMY's interpretation is topsy-turvey? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long time' the whole idea of relative signs falls apart... In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner experience and POV with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I can't tell you how many people I've met who thought they were enlightened after a certain experience or shift in awareness. In every case the experience was a symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of the Path. Thats very parallel to countless people I heard come to the mic expectantly proclaiming the signs that they thought were clearly enlightenment and MMY would say, over and over, something good, but its not cc For CC to be fully manifest, one would be in TC for the entire mediation-period. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
And the irony of your comments is that they have nothing to do with TM... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's is that as a group TMer's are too much out of their bodies and entrenched in mental concepts. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html Tasting Your Way to Infinity. Part 1. The Feeling of Body, Mind, and Spirit. Sally Kempton For twenty years, Sally Kempton was one of the foremost teaching monks of Siddha Yoga meditation, teaching under her monastic name of Swami Durgananda. She studied under Swami Muktananda for eight years and was a senior teacher under his successor, Gurumayi Chidvilasananda. In 2002 she lay aside her monastic robes, with Gurumayi's blessing, to begin a new phase of her teaching work. Although still drawing on the many gifts of the Siddha Yoga tradition, Sally is creating a fresh perspective on the heart of the spiritual journey, as it exists on any path. Consider, if you will, the following thought experiment: if spiritual practice involves going beyond thoughts, is the goal of meditation to actually lose your mind? And if losing your mind, or the ability to suspend thought, is the hallmark of successful practice, then does that make whatever feelings remain somehow spiritual? In this dialogue, Ken and Sally explore the anti-intellectual bias common to meditation practitioners (and teachers) and the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts. They suggest that every thought has a feeling space and the real trouble is not thought itself, but the inability to feel thought as a direct, vibratory manifestation of pure Spirit. Together, they refute the idea that simply feeling or being in the body is innately spiritual, and instead suggest that there are at least two different kinds of feeling. Their conversation builds upon the notion that the body has feelings (or sensations), the mind has thoughts, and spirit has intuition. The real question?what is it that actually feels feelings, as well as thoughts, intuition, and the texture of all that is arising, including the self-contraction??brings into fluorescence the critical distinction between feeling and Feeling, or that which is merely the object of awareness and Awareness itself. The idea that we must somehow rid ourselves of the self-contraction is an impediment to deep spiritual practice, and Ken and Sally discuss Feeling (as contrasted with feeling) as the foundation for Liberation as an always-already present capacity. When it is recognized that that which Feels the ego, or the self-contraction, is actually egoless, the fundamental seeking impulse is undone. Feeling fully the texture of all that is arising without judgment or aversion, we simply and effortlessly taste our Self. In closing, Ken and Sally discuss the role of Integral Spiritual Center and the opportunities for the cross-pollination between spiritual traditions it will provide and promote. Never before has a group of such diverse and accomplished spiritual teachers met together to lock themselves up in a room for a weekend?not as teachers teaching students, but as teachers teaching teachers?with the intent to share traditions, test one another's understanding, and sift the wheat from the chaff in order to arrive at a sense of an authentically Integral Spirituality, in any tradition. We hope you enjoy this illuminating dialogue with one of the most deceptively profound teachers we have the privilege of calling friend __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: The irony of this article when it comes to TMer's is that as a group TMer's are too much out of their bodies and entrenched in mental concepts. Well, not twice a day. ;-) Well, in fact, unless you're in TC, you're still entrenched in mental concepts. Even in CC or higher, mental concepts are still entrenched to some extent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conceptual Models and Experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] CC is baby awakening. Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of I and me. CC is merely normal. There is no end of I and me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Shankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 1:19 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/18/05 12:47 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am missing relevant info on Chandol, plese provide it. Done. Discovering Brides by Anoop Chandola That settles it. He's the ultimate authority on the Shankaracharya controversy. Plus 8 scholarly books on linguistics and music. What do linguistics and music have to do with the Shankaracharya controversy? What does what Professor Sawyer publish have to do with the shankaracharya controversy except where he asked people specifically what was going on? And did he ever interview any of the people on the OTHER side of the controversy, or only those whom you now agree with? What has Dana Sawyer published? I just emailed your question to him and will post his response. DId you mention Professor Chandola at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] The water, Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its this quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher states. And in some behaviors. Very good point. But what behaviors show enlightenment? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other words, someone experiencing a sense of self has uttered these words. Contrast this with comments from Suzanne Segal such as: The mothering function is happening. It is happening better than if there were a mother. But there is no mother. She was referring to herself in relation to her child. From an outsider's perspective, she was obviously present, but she experienced no sense of a self. **END** The ego(self) is as real as the 'it' in 'It's raining.' -- paraphrase from something posted last year on FFL No it at all. Just raining. Objectifying principle? Projection? The meaning of 'pragya-parad' - creating an object where there is no such thing - the mistake of the intellect. The mistakeof the intellect is in seeing a distinction where there isn't one. Objects have every bit as much reality as consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/17/05 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither was I. I was merely pointing out that their decision to get away from the TMO may be the right one for THEM, but may not say anything about anyone who choses to stay around. I totally agree with you for once. Staying in the TMO may be the best thing for some people. Maybe not for life. Or maybe for life. Whatever floats your boat. Sure I agree too. Leaving is an observable trend though. MMY is busy in the kitchen... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? The Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness (jivanmuktiviveka) by Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. Hmmm. What is the transliteration of jivamuktiviveka? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The consensual sexual activities of an adult human with another adult human are usually considered to be a private matter, While I think the sexual things, if actually true*, are a bit overblown in peoples mind, there are some situations that perhaps transcend your generalization -- all consenting adults: i) a celibate priest with a parishoner ii) a non-celibate pastor with a chruch member iii) a psychiatrist with a patient iv) a manager with a direct report v) a professor with a student (over 21) vi) a coach with a team member To that list add spiritual teacher with student. The potential exploitation and misuse of implicit power issues have been discussed at length over the years here. Everyone will draw theri own conclusions, but I think many spiritual orgs are writing such prohibitions into their codes of conduct / by-laws. *no girl has actually talked directly about the experiences, and from what I can gather, while somethings did happen, maybe its not in the way people precisely imagine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Welcome to the Spraing List
I just came across 21 straight posts by our prolific friend. And I though Lub, Ron (in his day) and Rory posted a lot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shukra69 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Really? I don't get it! From Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat (86/108, kRSNa-yajur-veda): kuNDalyeva bhavechchhaktistaa.n tu sa.nchaalayedbudha . svasthaanaadaabhruvormadhya.n shaktichaalanamuchyate .. 7.. My attempt at translation: Well, kuNDalii becomes shakti, a_wise_man(?) should move it from_its_own_place(?) to /the spot/ between the eyebrows, that's called shakti-caalana. Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
Llundrub wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Shakti mantras have to do with the head? Shakti is the upward energy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tasting Your Way to Infinity: the myth that genuine spirituality involves getting rid of thoughts.
On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:55 PM, sparaig wrote: And the irony of your comments is that they have nothing to do with TM... Absolutely they do--as the discussion directly relates to TM. That is, if you are able to think outside the TM box. TM belongs to a class of meditation that is generally known as shamatha or shinay. There are literally dozens (if not hundreds) of styles of shinay. TM is a very basic form of shinay, but ideas about the calm state/the transcendent are still important discuss. These are, IMO, esp. important if you are stuck in the TM and TM-speak metaphors. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? The Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness (jivanmuktiviveka) by Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. http://robgoodd.net/r_goodding.pdf Of course, one can always argue that certain aspects of this treatise are Hindu-culture-centric. Certainly the most traditional interpretations of it are going to be rooted in the Hindu culture. What specifically do you see MMY as having lost sight of when he introduced the TM program for householders? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
But bliss isn't blissful. If you're still feeling something, then the questions arise: who is feeling, what is being felt, and what is the feeling? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. I think I get what you are saying- that the experience is so powerful and does contain the elements of unboundedness, like expanding to the stars, etc., that a question arises about the value of the experience? It must be some experience of Unity, or UC, because on the face of it, don't we agree we feel no gap during the experience [of powerful crown chakra bliss] between ourselves and the rest of the creation? There is where the difficulty comes in I believe, because there is no way to mentally resolve or even find a connection between the UC experience and the more localized 'normal' experience. That is why I remarked that it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. I just enjoy it tremendously and then get on with what I have to do next. Sort of like the relationship between going to wrk and going on vacation. There is no derect link between the two, though they are mutually supportive of each other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I haven't. If I have, then my comments might make sense to others who have had CC episodes. If I haven't, then perhaps they won't. My question to YOU: why do YOU care whether or not I have had such episodes? Speaking only for myself, I'm 'way past the point where I pay attention to people who are merely repeating what they have been told about enlight- enment. I'm only interested in people's personal experiences with it, and comparing them to my own. Unc - boy does that ring a bell with me. Reading and hearng direct accounts is what interests me too. Getting those people to talk can be a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, intuition is still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever. Ah, so there is a need to separate? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Plus advanced technique users are worshiping Saraswati which causes an emphasis on intellect. What is needed are balancing techniques. Shree is Saraswati? More commonly identified with Lakshmi. I think it is an interesting consideration though that there could be balancing techniques. What about Vishnu Sahasranama or Rudram as balancing techniques? Or, howabout more activity as balancing techniques? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
