[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
I don't understand this. If 'True-East' changes, True-North and True-South and True-West has to change along with it as well.?? Can this be found out by a Sun-dial.?? The Sphinx in Egypt faces True-East,... that is Spring Equinox. See, Robert Bauvall - " The Orion Mystery".Has it's position changed.?? I think, it still faces True-East. Vâj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:09:07 -0500 Precession will affect true east, as it is determined in Maharishi vastu and other forms of holistic architecture. According to a video I have, the way you determine true east in MV is to place a gnomon on the ground inside a circle the same radius as the height as the gnomon. The shadow will cross the circle at true east and true west as demonstrated by a line drawn connecting the two points.Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:47:49 -0500Then it would be insignificant. Where it would become significant would be for stone temples which last millennia--if you consider precise alignment so important--in another sense it retains the qualities of when it was made, which is also nice. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Have you ever had a pond rise up in waves? What these meds and verbal remedies My verbal remedy . Cardmeister making a play on words. Go figure that. Good one Card. lurk Well, anaadimatparaM brahma (Giitaa 13, 13) is IMO an instance of word play that obviously made even the great Shankara scratch his head, and come up with a slightly adhockish explanation... :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's No Place Like Home for the Hollandaise...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell him to go visit my namesake, the town of Zutphen. Dirk von Zutphen came to this country in 1642. The glory of genes and family trees is that we have (an oportunity) to purify them. Some who come from small and/or insignificant (peasant) family lines may experience some purity early on. Feeling liberated and all. But larger families, more entwined with deeper history, descendants have more to purify. More heavy breathing to do. 1642 is nothing. Real liberation, not SCI omg I am so special, I AM emlightened, means purifying 7 generations or more of genetic and family history aka cultural stuff. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is official. We had our choice of either going to the Brahmasthan of India for a couple of months and then going to Holland when some of the new buildings are ready, or going directly to Holland and living in bungalows a few minutes away from MERU. I opted for the latter, am scheduled to leave Friday, and am ready to order my Dutch- English dictionary. A handful, 20 or so who have family responsibilities and the like, are going to Livingston Manor. It's the end of an era for our 9-1/2-year stint in Boone. Starting Feb. 1 we will be history. Yet we may well be back in a year or so. Some land purchase is being finalized a couple of hours SW of here, still in the NC mountains and, according to our sources, equally scenic and lovely, though on the side of the slope instead of the ridge (less wind). But this time it will be ours from the start. Maharishi wants them to build immediately for Purusha, quick pre-fab vastu-correct units. We shall see. Snailmail address in Vlodrop: Me Purusha Group Station 24 6063 NP Vlodrop Netherlands Same e-mail address as now. Enjoy the rising tide of Sat Yuga! Jai Guru Dev Dick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Gems From Bhagavan - 9
Peter[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:26:19 -Subject: [RamanaMaharshi] Gems From Bhagavan The books use the following illustration to help explain creation: The Self is like the canvas for a painting. First paste is smeared over it to close the small holes that are in the canvas. This paste can be compared to the Antaryamin (Indweller) in all creation. Then the artist makes an outline on the canvas. This can be compared to the sukshma sarira (subtle body) of all creatures; for instance, the light and sound (bindu and nada) out of which all things arise. Within this outline the artist paints his picture with colours, etc., and this can be compared to the gross forms that constitute the world. (Gems from Bhagavan, selected by A. Devaraja Mudaliar) Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
An obvious first test case for this law should be www.whitehouse.gov. I find almost everything that George W. Bush says in public annoying, if not downright harassing to myself and to those who believe in freedom. Everybody knows that George doesn't write his own speeches, and that they are *really* written by some White House speechwriter and then posted on this site under a false name, that of the President. Seems to me that I could charge these speechwriters under this new law, because they are annoying me, and they are doing so under a false name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Swami G comments on questions about Bhagwan Kalki
Note: This is posted by anonymous poster who is not a disciple of Swami G, *= questioner, G= response by Swami G. To find info on Swami G, look through the archives on FFL. * I am hearing reports that many people are going to Bhagwan Kalki from different meditation groups and Gurus, and then they are no longer practicing meditation. Comments are I am no longer tired like I used to be, or the meditation is now disturbing the bliss or silence. G one may be in Active Meditation where it is ongoing ... it is a flow ... How can it be *Disturbed* by Bliss or Silence Meditation is Silence once the mind has stilled ... then Bliss arises as the barriers fall away ... or is it that their idea of Meditation or actual meditation has been replaced with something else ? *I get a sense that many people have had shaktipat diksha, and then some powerfull experiece which was new. Therefore, the thinking is this must be far superior than to be practicing the meditation since results like this were never there before as a result of doing the meditation. G doership is never the answer ... doership should fall away into Meditation Meditation is a shift of the mind ... the question is though is this a Manufactured and false Silence and Bliss or the Real Deal that comes out of a correct Sadhana ? or is it a type of mass hypnosis that does not stand the test of time ? this is the question. *Furthermore, the Bhagwan Kalki disciples are trained to give what they call Diksha to others. G they are giving Shaktipat is what was heard here but again is it real Shaktipat or a counterfit fallacy ? Where is it leading to and are any Truly coming to Realization and Liberation ? * This may be thought as a technique itself by those giveing it. G it could be padding their own ego's ... *There is maybe a feeling of being in Heaven and therefore no longer feeling the need to do meditation. I am asking a question on behalf of hundreds of people who may see this post sent in my inner circles. G many times early on one may experience for a time this Bliss but eventually it subsides and the Real work then begins ... One may also use it as a dodge and a covering a way to create and sustain an illusion of freedom for a time ... but it won't last ... While one hopes and attempts to convince themselves that there is going to be some magical wand there never is someone that Actually does gain Liberation through this would be the one who was simply Ripe Like Ramana but there are precious few that come in with that Ripeness * Is there a need or would it be recomended to continue meditation or Self inquiry when certain reslults are coming about as a result of the shaktipat Diksha? G give it time and SEE what emerges ... of course the grass looks greener on the other side for a time ... then the sun emerges fully and that green grass loses it's luster ... Maha Shanti OM 0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
No, all the old monuments are off by several degrees because of this inevitable procession of the earth's axis and subsequent change in the cardinal directions. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand this. If 'True-East' changes, True-North and True-South and True-West has to change along with it as well.?? Can this be found out by a Sun-dial.?? The Sphinx in Egypt faces True-East,... that is Spring Equinox. See, Robert Bauvall - The Orion Mystery. Has it's position changed.?? I think, it still faces True-East. Vâj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:09:07 -0500 Precession will affect true east, as it is determined in Maharishi vastu and other forms of holistic architecture. According to a video I have, the way you determine true east in MV is to place a gnomon on the ground inside a circle the same radius as the height as the gnomon. The shadow will cross the circle at true east and true west as demonstrated by a line drawn connecting the two points. Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:47:49 -0500 Then it would be insignificant. Where it would become significant would be for stone temples which last millennia--if you consider precise alignment so important--in another sense it retains the qualities of when it was made, which is also nice. - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! --- Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Precession will affect true east, as it is determined in Maharishi vastu and other forms of holistic architecture. According to a video I have, the way you determine true east in MV is to place a gnomon on the ground inside a circle the same radius as the height as the gnomon. The shadow will cross the circle at true east and true west as demonstrated by a line drawn connecting the two points. How long will this take before it becomes a significant issue? This isn't that tough a question. Think it through... it will become a significant issue the minute Maharishi decides that people need to pay for another house because he needs more money. Face it...if you're stupid enough to pay 2-3 times what a house should cost just because somebody tells you it will be better for you, you're stupid enough to fall for it a second time when he tells you it's not better enough any more. :-) :-) :-) +++ If your invincibility program was working, wouldn't the whole subject be a non issue. I had a small business in a building with two south doors for twenty five plus years and people would stop in now and then for the calming affects they felt. As with a lot of other foolishness- If you believe it, you are a victim of it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why is MMY no longer seen live in the weekly press confer...
Well, if he was peeing, he must have been up and out of bed. --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After posting I received this suggestion in my email.. Hi Peter, I was there in vlodrop in august, and they always where bringing in that older foto, when mmy was there via audio. I once asked some higher up TMO, how old the foto was, and didn`t get an answer. I was actually there as an journalist, even got an interview with Hagelin. So my opinion was, that mmy is lying in bed, having head-set on, and talking always to us, when he feels like. On one occasion, we also heard the sound of him pissing, while talking to us. He must have assumed, that that sound would not be heard. So the tm-technicians where in some kind of real trouble. keep the line, to get the immortal words from the master ? Or keep his dignitiy, and cut the connection ? So from the sound of his voice, he is still very nice, soft and broad minded. From his body, maybe no more that concincing. Since I have no access to the Fairfield group, you can post this answer, if you like. cheers from Hamburg. diap. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Here's the relevance of this new law to FFL: zero. Carry on posting! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where the other person could get annoyed with you - whether for your perceived resistance, your differing point of view, etc. 3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move from debating his content (his ideas) to making any disparaging or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself - in- cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character, believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could easily be predicted to be annoying to someone expecting polite discus- sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move beyond annoy- ing and into the realm of threatening or harassing. The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each either stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be annoying to another, or continue posting these things but do it under our true names (rather than anonymously). And the standard is low; it doesn't take much to annoy someone. Probably a great majority of the posts on our group would be considered annoying to someone that they were directed toward. The solution is simple: stop posting anonymously unless you put on kid gloves. Since I always post using my real name, this really doesn't affect me, but there are many anonymous or pseudo-named posters on this list, and often the posts get very contentious and many people's feelings get annoyed and beyond. ;) Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in- dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. And a group like ours, if its leadership didn't self-police the group by requiring posters who could possibly be perceived as annoying anyone to post under their true names, would run the risk of being deleted by Yahoo without warning, should Yahoo get some complaints. From our past history, we can almost certainly count on Yahoo getting complaints arising from our disgruntled or offended members using this new Federal law. Although I, and many freedom-of-speech advocates, think the language of this law is way too vague and over-reaching - it IS the current Federal law - and Yahoo pledges to uphold the law. Hope this info is of service. Namaste, Michael PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION and THE RELATIONSHIP INSTITUTE Michael Dean Goodman Ph.D., D.D., Director Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) Florida * 561-350-3930 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Counseling * Workshops * Educational Session * Presentations * Satsang Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and
[FairfieldLife] From Law to Precedence (was Re: Annoying someone ... now a federal crime)
..see below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition ippost- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. [snip] Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. [snip] For the sake of argument, suppose Peter Klutz is not a physical person (then again, who is?) and let him render some assistance to George W. Bush and his happy band of civil-right marauders when setting a precedence of just how applicable this 'law' is: -- start test cases -- Test case 1: PK says: GWB is plain wrong Test case 2: PK says: GWB is an asshole Test case 3: PK says: GWB is an asshole and so is every member of this group Test case 4: PK says: GWB is a threat to the world and should be targeted for assassination a s a p Test case 5: PK says: Since GWB is a threat to the world and he is the president of the USA - all americans should be targeted for assassination. Given the size of the undertaking, the best way to accomplish this is to purchase nukes from the former Soviet Union and give them to Osama Bin Laden for delivery. Please note that the unique intent of test cases 4 and 5 is to make readers experience various intense degrees of 'annoyance' (the idea is to test this particular law - not any anti-terrorist legislation). All we have to do now is to wait and see on which accounts the US government will seek 'Peter Klutz's conviction - as well how the US government plans extradite him (he is not currently in USA). Permanent vacation on a remote and scenic spot at Cuba? :-) Yours truly PK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From Law to Precedence (was Re: Annoying someone ... now a federal crime)
The non-physical Peter might want to reread the law as described earlier. Since GWB is not a member of this group, the only test case below that falls within the province of this law is #3, because that's the only one that could possibly be construed as some- one on FFL being abusive to someone else on FFL. But just to put things in perspective, I think that most of us are comfortable with our assholiness, so nobody's going to feel terribly 'abused' by that one, either. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of argument, suppose Peter Klutz is not a physical person (then again, who is?) and let him render some assistance to George W. Bush and his happy band of civil-right marauders when setting a precedence of just how applicable this 'law' is: -- start test cases -- Test case 1: PK says: GWB is plain wrong Test case 2: PK says: GWB is an asshole Test case 3: PK says: GWB is an asshole and so is every member of this group Test case 4: PK says: GWB is a threat to the world and should be targeted for assassination a s a p Test case 5: PK says: Since GWB is a threat to the world and he is the president of the USA - all americans should be targeted for assassination. Given the size of the undertaking, the best way to accomplish this is to purchase nukes from the former Soviet Union and give them to Osama Bin Laden for delivery. Please note that the unique intent of test cases 4 and 5 is to make readers experience various intense degrees of 'annoyance' (the idea is to test this particular law - not any anti-terrorist legislation). All we have to do now is to wait and see on which accounts the US government will seek 'Peter Klutz's conviction - as well how the US government plans extradite him (he is not currently in USA). Permanent vacation on a remote and scenic spot at Cuba? :-) Yours truly PK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Please post the article or links to it. Beyond the no media controversy and no article issues, the post is quite naive in its logic and its view of the world. Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation? No DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person says He abused me and it means that the alleged law was broken? Oh my! This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom article, naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION are better served. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where the other person could get annoyed with you - whether for your perceived resistance, your differing point of view, etc. 3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move from debating his content (his ideas) to making any disparaging or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself - in- cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character, believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could easily be predicted to be annoying to someone expecting polite discus- sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move beyond annoy- ing and into the realm of threatening or harassing. The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each either stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be annoying to another, or continue posting these things but do it under our true names (rather than anonymously). And the standard is low; it doesn't take much to annoy someone. Probably a great majority of the posts on our group would be considered annoying to someone that they were directed toward. The solution is simple: stop posting anonymously unless you put on kid gloves. Since I always post using my real name, this really doesn't affect me, but there are many anonymous or pseudo-named posters on this list, and often the posts get very contentious and many people's feelings get annoyed and beyond. ;) Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to
[FairfieldLife] TMO trained pandits?
Not sure if someone has posted this site before. The following quote was taken from a website ( http://www.jyotish-yagya.com/ ) on its staff page. Seems likely that these are TMO-trained pandits, and if so, are remnants of a now discontinued program. *** This image was taken in early 2005 in front of the new Homa site with its traditional thatched roof. These dedicated gentlemen are highly trained Brahmins, able to maintain focus on a mantra all day long. Most of them were trained in groups by a prominent meditation movement which finally reached 10,000 starting from the age of 5 years old. In 1991, the yagya program which employed these men faltered and most of them were sent home. They had been taught to chant mantras but not to administer their own temples. Applicants to the Vedic Life Foundation staff of Brahmins are reviewed by a board of senior pandits. New pandits currently being hired are solely from this elite group of meditation practicing Brahmins trained in the 80's. Peer review maintains an extremely high level of competence in the Temple. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
CNET NEWS Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail By Declan McCullagh 9th January 2006 http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?tag=nl --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Please post the article or links to it. Beyond the no media controversy and no article issues, the post is quite naive in its logic and its view of the world. Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation? No DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person says He abused me and it means that the alleged law was broken? Oh my! This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom article, naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION are better served. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where the other person could get annoyed with you - whether for your perceived resistance, your differing point of view, etc. 3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move from debating his content (his ideas) to making any disparaging or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself - in- cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character, believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could easily be predicted to be annoying to someone expecting polite discus- sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move beyond annoy- ing and into the realm of threatening or harassing. The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each either stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be annoying to another, or continue posting these things but do it under our true names (rather than anonymously). And the standard is low; it doesn't take much to annoy someone. Probably a great majority of the posts on our group would be considered annoying to someone that they were directed toward. The solution is simple: stop posting anonymously unless you put on
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
http://news.com.com/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?tag=nl easier-to-use URL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CNET NEWS Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail By Declan McCullagh 9th January 2006 http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?tag=nl --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Please post the article or links to it. Beyond the no media controversy and no article issues, the post is quite naive in its logic and its view of the world. Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation? No DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person says He abused me and it means that the alleged law was broken? Oh my! This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom article, naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION are better served. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where the other person could get annoyed with you - whether for your perceived resistance, your differing point of view, etc. 3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move from debating his content (his ideas) to making any disparaging or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself - in- cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character, believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could easily be predicted to be annoying to someone expecting polite discus- sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move beyond annoy- ing and into the realm of threatening or harassing. The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each either stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be annoying to another, or continue posting these things but do it under
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Well, it took me one...count them, ONE...Google search to find exactly what he was talking about, including several news articles. Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. I guess you were too intent on trying to find something to slam somebody with that you didn't think of that. The funny thing is, AkashAnonGabby, since the law appears to be real, you're the first person since it was mentioned here who would qualify for prosecution under it. And this probably comes as a shock to no one here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Declan McCullagh's article on CNET one caused a stir... for only a few days as more legal savvy tech folks dug into the law and found that is really only covers personal emails not forums or lists or newsgroups. So unless you are a cyberstalker don't worry about it. - Bhairitu Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where the other person could get annoyed with you - whether for your perceived resistance, your differing point of view, etc. 3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move from debating his content (his ideas) to making any disparaging or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself - in- cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character, believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could easily be predicted to be annoying to someone expecting polite discus- sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move beyond annoy- ing and into the realm of threatening or harassing. The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each either stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be annoying to another, or continue posting these things but do it under our true names (rather than anonymously). And the standard is low; it doesn't take much to annoy someone. Probably a great majority of the posts on our group would be considered annoying to someone that they were directed toward. The solution is simple: stop posting anonymously unless you put on kid gloves. Since I always post using my real name, this really doesn't affect me, but there are many anonymous or pseudo-named posters on this list, and often the posts get very contentious and many people's feelings get annoyed and beyond. ;) Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in- dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. And a group like ours, if its leadership didn't self-police the group by requiring posters who could possibly be perceived as annoying anyone to post under their true names, would run the risk of being deleted by Yahoo without warning, should Yahoo get some complaints. From our past history, we can almost certainly count on Yahoo getting complaints arising from our disgruntled or offended members using this new Federal law. Although I, and many freedom-of-speech advocates, think the language of this law is way too vague and over-reaching - it IS the current Federal law - and Yahoo pledges to uphold the law. Hope this info is of service. Namaste, Michael PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION and THE RELATIONSHIP INSTITUTE Michael Dean Goodman Ph.D., D.D., Director Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) Florida * 561-350-3930 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Counseling * Workshops * Educational Session * Presentations * Satsang Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Yeah, his post reminded me of someone trying to understand something written in a language that he cannot read. He uses a dictionary and he can figure out the basic meanings of the words, but when he tries to put it all together he writes nonsense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Please post the article or links to it. Beyond the no media controversy and no article issues, the post is quite naive in its logic and its view of the world. Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation? No DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person says He abused me and it means that the alleged law was broken? Oh my! This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom article, naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION are better served. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Government Enterprise.com: http://tinyurl.com/7zq9v Washington Post: http://tinyurl.com/cq4a7 Etc., etc. Looks to me as though it's being somewhat overinterpreted by free-speech watchdogs, but with the current administration, you never know... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Thanks for the cite. I was thrown off by poster's misleading timeframe. The bill was signed Jan 5, while the post implies it was last thursday aka 1/26. I didn't look far enough back in the archives. 1/28/06 post: I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with out disclosing your true identity. Such abuse language cannot stand up in courts. It is contrary to so many free speech and privacy precedents. The naivite of the original post still holds -- its view on implications. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.com.com/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?tag=nl easier-to-use URL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CNET NEWS Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail By Declan McCullagh 9th January 2006 http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?tag=nl --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such a major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy in the media. It a major Free Speech issue. So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Please post the article or links to it. Beyond the no media controversy and no article issues, the post is quite naive in its logic and its view of the world. Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's Terms of Service (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially annoying posts anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them as persisting in violating the law. Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation? No DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person says He abused me and it means that the alleged law was broken? Oh my! This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom article, naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION are better served. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on post- ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages with- out disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. This prohibition is included in the Violence Against Women and De- partment of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection called Prevent- ing Cyberstalking. It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet without disclosing his iden- tity and with intent to annoy. Here's the relevant language: Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to ori- ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without disclos- ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. My commentary: Since the law uses the vague word annoy, along with the stronger lan- guage (threaten, harass, abuse), the result for a discussion group such as ours may be: 1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously. 2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument very far, if you are perceived as arguing, to where
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or realize there never were chains. That they were imposed on us. If we ever bothered to play that game. Or perhaps that is what you are saying. This declaration that the world should be rebuilt according to proper vastu has had several interesting consequences with regard to discussion of it: 1. The amount of money it would cost is beyond astronomical. For those that take such a declaration seriously, 10 trillion dollars breaks a lot of boundaries, just comprehending that amount of money. 2. The recent comments about north vs true north vs the earth's polarity changes, brings up a lot of questions regarding the utility of vastu, the impermanence of material things, the location of the brahmastan. So, generally speaking, this declaration has many of us questioning the relationships we have to our material world and our sometimes assumed but unexamined benefits of that relationship. Also for those of us concerned about the whole vastu thing, again this declaration with its impossible goals and a nebulous benefit, brings up again the question as to our self sufficiency with regard to seeking Realization. I personally agree with Peter's comment that proper vastu has a sattvic (sp? saatvic?) effect, but a minor one. I stumbled across a confirmation of that recently by inadvertently facing east during my meditation, noticing a difference in my experience, but not one to fixate on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Declan McCullagh's article on CNET one caused a stir... for only a few days as more legal savvy tech folks dug into the law and found that is really only covers personal emails not forums or lists or newsgroups. So unless you are a cyberstalker don't worry about it. - Bhairitu Ah good clarification. Also I came across some articles that imply that it may be limited to stalking cases, particularly woman abuse situations (though that sounds gender biased to me) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Mother Divine update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if everyone just donated a box of Vata Tea? Would that count? :) Sal And don't forget the party hats! On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:09 AM, George DeForest wrote: If you would like to make a donation so that our dear Mother Divine ladies can enjoy Vata Tea and other delights, please bring donations to the Maharishi Enlightenment Center of Fairfield, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Well, it took me one...count them, ONE...Google search to find exactly what he was talking about, including several news articles. Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. I do well for having less than half a brain, doncha think? I guess you were too intent on trying to find something to slam somebody with that you didn't think of that. More of your memoir? you're the first person since it was mentioned here who would qualify for prosecution under it. Well send it to your local DA for prosecution. I am SURE he/she will jump right on it. My slam of the post was on its naivite -- about its implied suspension of due process, and its extreme reversal of decades / centuries of free speech and privacy case law. You share such naive and simplistic traits with the poster. And you do so apparently with a full brain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! snip +++ This is good news I had turned my house 90 degrees years back and definitely would not do it again. Now, the south door is on the south side and, it is working out well.N. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Graciella Zogbi: Daivi Shakti
Graciella Zogbi: Daivi Shakti I thought this CD would be a dream come true-- I imagined perfectly recorded swaramandals and serene Indian singing. The singing isn't bad-- probably good by Vedic standards but not the kind that appeals to a many Westerners, even those accustomed to listening to Indian music. This is certainly a great CD to practice your chanting. However, whenever the rhythms section is used (2 of the 5 songs), it is not well recorded and they go out of rhythm. This is very annoying, and I'm kind of shocked they even used these takes without correcting this. As a result, I can only give this an average rating. When I first saw the beautiful artwork on the cover, I was hyped about promoting this in the new age bookstore where I work, but now I'm reluctant as I won't be able to give it an unequivocal recommendation. Instead, I would recommend Devi: Prayers By Women by Karnamrita, or Jai Ma Kirtan: Songs to the Divine Mother by the Sri Ram Foundation. A HREF=http://vedicdevataproductions.com/;Vedic Devata, devas, North Indian Classical Music, Indian Classical music, Devo/A Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13000/26 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. In the manttime, are you implying that in 13000 years ago the sun rose in the west and set in the east? Or that 6500 years ago it rose in the north and set in the south? (or vice versa). That was 4500 BCE. Within recorded history. The era of the introduction of the plough in Europe, the domestication of the water buffalo in China, and the development of beer-making. No mention, IIRC, of a north rising sun back then. If you are not implying a change in the direction of the rising and setting sun, then what is the relevance of your precessional arguments to SV? Isn't SV's key thing the orientation of buildings to the rising sun, and its course of travel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip These are the same people who were told when they started TM that all they had to do was do TM for 20 minutes twice a day and then go out into activity and act according to the dictates of common sense and their own traditions. Now, there's a dictate from the TMO for every aspect of the relative field of activity: what direction to face; what foods to eat (and where, of course, to buy them!); what type of building to live, sleep, meditate and work in; be guided by astrology and certain vedic rituals to ward off negativity (and pay through the nose for it); and have your health treated by Ayur-Veda and Vedic Vibration. Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program? Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. Aside from the siddhis course, which I found invaluable for speeding up profound purification, all the rest I find more trouble than it is worth, or costs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13,000/26,000 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. In the meantime, are you implying that in 13,000 years ago the sun rose in the west and set in the east? Or that 6500 years ago it rose in the north and set in the south? (or vice versa). That was 4500 BCE. Within recorded history. The era of the introduction of the plough in Europe, the domestication of the water buffalo in China, and the development of beer-making. No mention, IIRC, of a north rising sun back then. If you are not implying a change in the direction of the rising and setting sun, then what is the relevance of your precessional arguments to SV? Isn't SV's key thing the orientation of buildings to the rising sun, and its course of travel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13,000/26,000 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. It's like a top wobbling as its spin slows down. Picture a dinner plate, with the top moving around the outer edge of the plate, spinning as it goes, but also wobbling slowly. The axis of the top describes a small circle. The sun is at the center of the plate. The plane of the circle the top's axis is describing is roughly parallel to the plane of the plate. (Please excuse if this is a duplicate. Yahoo burped as I was trying to post it the first time.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:The funny thing is, AkashAnonGabby, since the law appears to be real, you're the first person since it was mentioned here who would qualify for prosecution under it. And this probably comes as a shock to no one here. Now, now, now let's calm down. It appears to me to only apply to the abuse of women.Therefore, from now on, statements such as:"I will find and beat J**y with a blunt instrument till she shuts up."should now be rendered:"I will perform Dhanur Veda techniques on her for the benefit of world peace."See, now that wasn't hard was it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
It applies to private mails not lists, newsgroups, or forums. I already mentioned in a reply to Paul post (which for some reason hasn't arrived on the list even though that was over an hour ago and the other sent at the same time to Michael posted immediately) that if you read the CNET article and scroll down to the comments you'll find that a) Declan posted a link to the wrong section of the law and b) parsing the proper language showed that it only applied to personal emails. If it applied to list, groups, and forums I would recommend swamping the Internet with anonymous posts and clogging the courts. However such a law would get a boot as unconstitutional however in King George's America who knows. Vaj wrote: On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The funny thing is, AkashAnonGabby, since the law appears to be real, you're the first person since it was mentioned here who would qualify for prosecution under it. And this probably comes as a shock to no one here. Now, now, now let's calm down. It appears to me to only apply to the abuse of women. Therefore, from now on, statements such as: I will find and beat J**y with a blunt instrument till she shuts up. should now be rendered: I will perform Dhanur Veda techniques on her for the benefit of world peace. See, now that wasn't hard was it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Peterless Peter
While untold scads women of women across the globe undoubtly mourn (and wail unceasingly) at the passing of Peter's peter, and its cremation in a sacred sandlewood pyre, the event makes sense. As most conclude early in life, particularly the fairer sex, men's ego's are contained in their peters. So when men lose their ego (well it never existed), they also correspondngly lose their peters. Funny though, just as the ego never existed, the peter never existed. Its quite funny to view reality -- billions of men driven by, or more accurately, chasing their phantom peters. Phantom peters thrusting passionately through the night. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Here's the news item regarding the Internet you should really be concerned about: US plans to 'fight the net' revealed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It applies to private mails not lists, newsgroups, or forums. I already mentioned in a reply to Paul post (which for some reason hasn't arrived on the list even though that was over an hour ago and the other sent at the same time to Michael posted immediately) that if you read the CNET article and scroll down to the comments you'll find that a) Declan posted a link to the wrong section of the law and b) parsing the proper language showed that it only applied to personal emails. If it applied to list, groups, and forums I would recommend swamping the Internet with anonymous posts and clogging the courts. However such a law would get a boot as unconstitutional however in King George's America who knows. Vaj wrote: On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The funny thing is, AkashAnonGabby, since the law appears to be real, I guess not everything is as it appears. Even real things. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It applies to private mails not lists, newsgroups, or forums. ... if you read the CNET article and scroll down to the comments you'll find that a) Declan posted a link to the wrong section of the law and b) parsing the proper language showed that it only applied to personal emails. The original post, its implications and all -- didn't pass the common sense test, the smell test. The naiveness of some who glob onto such, e.g., It appears to be Real is endlessly entertaining-- no wonder they have spent their lives chasing things that sound too good to be true. And who believe every Tom, Dick and Harry who claim I am enlightened! ... And you can to if you just didn't resist the fact that you already are! Also found on the link to cnet article: QSomeone has been annoying me on the Internet, and it's getting serious. What can I do? Keep in mind that the new law has only criminal sanctions, so you can't sue someone directly (unless they're already violating other laws). Also remember that it only applies to a person who is intentionally annoying without disclosing his identity. You'd have to contact your local FBI office or U.S. Attorney. But don't be surprised if they place you way down on their priority list. Q: Some people, including law professor Orin Kerr, say the existence of the First Amendment means we shouldn't worry. Kerr says that if speech is protected by the First Amendment, the statute is unconstitutional as applied and the indictment must be dismissed... prosecutors know that they can't bring a prosecution unless doing so would comply with the Supreme Court's First Amendment cases. That's correct as far as it goes. But it's not the whole story, because it amounts to trusting what lawyers call prosecutorial discretion. Q: Wait a moment. I'm told this law merely updated an existing prohibition on annoying or harassing someone through the telephone. That's what Sen. Pete Domenici, a New Mexico Republican, claims in a press release, and it's sort of true. The old law criminalized making an anonymous telephone call that's designed to annoy someone, which sounds pretty reasonable. But the new law applies broadly to any form of Internet communication, and it is not limited to individual-to-individual communications such as e-mail or instant messaging. It's hardly clear that the federal government needs to criminalize this sort of thing, anyway. State governments are more than capable of doing so. Q: I read a post by Dan Solove that says the law is just antiharassment, so we shouldn't be worried. Is he right? Solove, who's a law professor at George Washington University, says: 'Annoy' is part of the intent element of the statute--it requires the intent to annoy, abuse, threaten or harass. Far from an antianonymity provision that applies whenever a person annoys another, it is merely a prohibition on harassment. If all the law did was target harassment, nobody would care. Instead, it also restricts certain behaviors that annoy. Most people realize there's a difference between annoying someone and harassing them. If I stalk someone, impersonate them in chat rooms, and repeatedly call them at 3 a.m. and hang up, that's harassment. Nobody's arguing that should be legal. But annoyance? If I set up an incendiary Web site that has a single purpose--say, to annoy some politician I dislike--that should be permissible. That's why the law is far more than an antiharassment law. Q: It's not enough for someone to find the site annoying. I have to intend for it to be annoying, right? Correct. The relevant section of the law uses the phrase without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy. A thin-skinned reader becoming irrationally annoyed shouldn't be sufficient to trigger criminal liability. Q: The law criminalizes certain Internet actions done to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person. That means someone has to do all four things, right? Nope. It's an or connector, not an and connector. Violating any one of the four prohibitions would be unlawful. Q: I've read a post by Ann Bartow, a professor at USC Law School, saying that e-mail and blogs may not be covered by the law. This is a little complicated, but let's walk through it. Bartow writes: I may be missing something, but I don't think either e-mail or Web logs would be considered 'telecommunications devices' that would be subject to the stated prohibitions (which, in fairness, are awfully vague). In general, for the relevant section of the U.S. Code, that's right. But it seems that Congress intended a broader interpretation for the annoy prohibition. The new law sweeps in other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet--and the most straightforward reading of that would cover Web logs and e-mail. If politicians wanted to limit the annoy prohibition to VoIP, they could easily have done so. But
[FairfieldLife] Shakti Power --- Camille Neviere
http://cimg.163.com/sport/2006/1/27/200601270953319a927.jpg As we speak, Marcos Baghdatis is up a set in the Austrailian Open (tennis) finals, against uber alpha world champion Roger Federer. Marcos was unseated -- quite a feat to get to the finals. A superfeat if he beats Federer -- who is the dominant player in mens tennis. Marcos attributes his success to Camille Neviere -- his 18 yr old parisian model girlfriend (some say 17). On TV, they keep cutting to shots of her in the stands. Stunningly beautiful --- much more so than the linked picture reveals. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
My, the things people do to distract attention from the fact they've made fools of themselves in public. :-) You don't actually think you're going to suck me into one of your endless egobattles, do you? You should take on Judy...she *lives* for this kinda defend- your-ego and defend-your-teacher shit. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From Law to Precedence (was Re: Annoying someone ... now a federal crime)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The non-physical Peter might want to reread the law as described earlier. Since GWB is not a member of this group, the only test case below that falls within the province of this law is #3, because that's the only one that could possibly be construed as some- one on FFL being abusive to someone else on FFL. But just to put things in perspective, I think that most of us are comfortable with our assholiness, so nobody's going to feel terribly 'abused' by that one, either. :-) In light of the recent revelation that TurquoiseB is not American and his reported immunity against nuclear attacks, please find below an updated list of test cases: start test cases Test case 1 TurquoiseB is dead wrong Test case 2 TurquoiseB's level of conscionsness is such that he needs to be killed Test case 3 TurquoiseB's level of conscionsness is such that he needs to be killed and his body and belongings burned so at to no further risk contaminating the human gene pool. Test case 4 TurquoiseB's level of conscionsness is such that he needs to be killed and his body and belongings burned so at to no further risk contaminating the human gene pool. Moreover, and in order to cleanse world karma, the killing process needs to be slow and extruciating. end test cases Happier with this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of argument, suppose Peter Klutz is not a physical person (then again, who is?) and let him render some assistance to George W. Bush and his happy band of civil-right marauders when setting a precedence of just how applicable this 'law' is: -- start test cases -- Test case 1: PK says: GWB is plain wrong Test case 2: PK says: GWB is an asshole Test case 3: PK says: GWB is an asshole and so is every member of this group Test case 4: PK says: GWB is a threat to the world and should be targeted for assassination a s a p Test case 5: PK says: Since GWB is a threat to the world and he is the president of the USA - all americans should be targeted for assassination. Given the size of the undertaking, the best way to accomplish this is to purchase nukes from the former Soviet Union and give them to Osama Bin Laden for delivery. Please note that the unique intent of test cases 4 and 5 is to make readers experience various intense degrees of 'annoyance' (the idea is to test this particular law - not any anti-terrorist legislation). All we have to do now is to wait and see on which accounts the US government will seek 'Peter Klutz's conviction - as well how the US government plans extradite him (he is not currently in USA). Permanent vacation on a remote and scenic spot at Cuba? :-) Yours truly PK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, the things people do to distract attention from the fact they've made fools of themselves in public. :-) Which time are you referring to? It happens a lot. Unlike you, apparently, it doesn't bother me. I love to laugh at my foibles. You seem scared of yours. You don't actually think you're going to suck me into one of your endless egobattles, do you? That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear. Lets try one more time (yes its kind of fun watch you run and hide) Unc: If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know hat he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Gabby: Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear. That you are unable to handle contradictions is clearer. You seem to believe that they are incompatible with enlightenment and/or higher states of consciousness. You're in for a big surprise... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear. That you are unable to handle contradictions is clearer. You seem to believe that they are incompatible with enlightenment Your flashbacks, hallucinations and large cognitive errors are surging again Barry. Maybe you should cut down on the absinthe. Never said above, never implied above. But I understand you have a hard time following things when the type keeps changing into crawly worms and snakes. and/or higher states of consciousness. You're in for a big surprise... :-) :-) :-) Ah, so you are enlightened now, clearly you must be speaking from experience. Must be a new awakening because not long ago you declared you were not enlightened. Oh, maybe thats that famous umbrella where anything goes Its a Paradox of Brahman -- lets sing along -- I have no ego, and you have an ego And we both are so enlightened. But were not enlightened also, Its such a joy. Its such a joy. Enlightenment means that You see everything as it is. And I am so enlightened Though I see way more stuff on the page that does not exist than does. But were not silly, its just the Paradox of Brahman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sufjan Steven's ILLINOIS discussion group
If anyone is interested in nitpicking about the historical allusions on Sufjan Stevens' concept album, Illinois, I started this group and am about to commence doing that. (Also dedicated to his buddy, Philly singer-songwriter Denison Witmer). =--=--= om---=-=-= Nick A HREF=http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Clouds_of_Hope/?yguid=1247490; Clouds_of_Hope : Denison Witmer Sufjan Stevens/A Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear. That you are unable to handle contradictions is clearer. You seem to believe that they are incompatible with enlightenment and/or higher states of consciousness. You're in for a big surprise... :-) :-) :-) The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of contradictions, because I am so enlightened But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, maybe you will remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that: --- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused minds or logic --- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are contradictory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
Feeling particularly threatened tonight, dude? We've all seen this before...you make an ass of yourself, someone calls you on it, and you have to post at least half a dozen diatribes against them. I feel for you -- it must be truly painful to have a self so tiny and constricting -- but your problems are not my concern, and your ego- babble just isn't interesting enough to reply to, much less get involved with. So have fun arguing with your self, eh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear. That you are unable to handle contradictions is clearer. You seem to believe that they are incompatible with enlightenment and/or higher states of consciousness. You're in for a big surprise... :-) :-) :-) The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of contradictions, because I am so enlightened But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, maybe you will remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that: --- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused minds or logic --- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are contradictory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Very good points. The thing is that I have no interest in how so-called spiritual groups view Benjamin Creme. I simply go by my intuition. By the way, the january/february issue of Share Internatioal is out today and can be viewed at : http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Enjoy :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feeling particularly threatened tonight, dude? We've all seen this before...you make an ass of yourself, someone calls you on it, Hahaha, are referring my post questioning an article cited as being publihsed in the NYT on Jan 28, about a law cited as being signed on jan 26? There was no such article on jan 28(that I could find). There was no such law signed jan 26. So I asked for a cite And we found out that the controversy was a) three weeks earlier than said, and b) was not AT ALL as represented in the post that I quesioned. Wow, you sure caught me in a huge gaff!!! HAHAHAHA And you were convinced the contoversey was REAL -- our liberties had been taken away and arrests were about commence -- all things I questioned from common sense -- and turned out in REALITY, to be false. And you are snickering about others being publicly embarrased? HAHAHAHAHAHA. One can't make this stuff up. Its too rich! --- it must be truly painful to have a self so tiny and constricting Your self-examination memoir is really quite brave. But I see you AGAIN, as ALWAYS, you create some lame cover as to why you can't address qustioning of your sloppy thinking. Your position that you have a license to utter nonsense contradictions in the realm of worldly things, because languange about enlightenment can have contradictions, is so laughably absurd again, one can't make this stuff up. Its too rich! The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of conteradictions, because I am so enlightened But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, msaybe you will remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that: --- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused minds or logic --- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are contradictory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Jesus H! There is just no end to these assaults on our civil liberties. I just don't see this being held up by the Supreme Court when a test case makes it there, and probably soon. Speech is protected, even unpopular speech, which annoying would seem to be (People v Larry Flynt). Also, the Internet is a global network and how can the US regulate international speech. For example, if you as an American Citizen post or blog on a newsgroup or website that it hosted in India, and you make annoying remarks about an another American citizen, like Ken Lay, do the feds have far reaching authority to fine/imprison the ng poster/blogger? As this administration continues its program to make the US a 3rd world nation economically, socially, and morally, I see free speech moving overseas along with our jobs, advance biomedical research, and the right to choose. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Mother Divine update
How 'bout a box of Depends? (low blow! low blow!) --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if everyone just donated a box of Vata Tea? Would that count? :) Sal And don't forget the party hats! On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:09 AM, George DeForest wrote: If you would like to make a donation so that our dear Mother Divine ladies can enjoy� Vata Tea and other delights, please bring donations to the Maharishi Enlightenment Center of Fairfield, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Very good points. The thing is that I have no interest in how so-called spiritual groups view Benjamin Creme. I simply go by my intuition. Which Barry is fond of telling people to do go by ones intuition -- and telling people what fools they are, if not complete raving assholes, for not doing so. But the other day, Barry/Unc/Turq apparently decided to use another side of his mouth and came up with the above criteria for teachers. Which he is embarrassed to use on his past teachers. Perhaps all this talk of precesional shifts and changing directions had caused him to get his rap mixed-up and which of the many sides of his to rant with. But the really funny yet sad aspect is Barry appears to view his contradictictory proclamations and unsolicited advice about how we should live our lives as signs of his enlightenment. In BarryLoka, apparently, the more contradictory you are about everyday things, the more enlightened you are. Sort of like BushLoka. And it appears Barry wants to be the most enlightened -- so he can be the most special -- and be the most unlike you and me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Mother Divine update
I find that annoying, Peter. :) Sal On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Peter wrote: How 'bout a box of Depends? (low blow! low blow!) --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > How about if everyone just donated a box of Vata > Tea? Would that > > count? :) > > > > > > Sal > > And don't forget the party hats! > > > On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:09 AM, George DeForest > wrote: > > > > > If you would like to make a donation so that > > > our dear Mother Divine ladies can enjoy� Vata > Tea > > > and other delights, please bring donations to > the > > > Maharishi Enlightenment Center of Fairfield, > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Jesus H! There is just no end to these assaults on our civil liberties. I just don't see this being held up by the Supreme Court when a test case makes it there, and probably soon. Speech is protected, even unpopular speech, which annoying would seem to be (People v Larry Flynt). Also, the Internet is a global network and how can the US regulate international speech. For example, if you as an American Citizen post or blog on a newsgroup or website that it hosted in India, and you make annoying remarks about an another American citizen, like Ken Lay, do the feds have far reaching authority to fine/imprison the ng poster/blogger? Yes. You are using your head. The information and interpretation in the post are so at odds with common sense, its astounding anyone, including the Ph.d (yuk yuk) author, could take the points seriously. And the main points of post have all been shown to false: 1) the law applies to personal correspondence -- not blogs or forums. 2) intent to annoy must be proven, not being annoyed 3) The laws appears limited to stalking and/or abuse of woman crimes. 4) The law was signed 1/05 not 1/26. 5) The controversy rose up and then settled down three weeks ago when the facts emerged. 6) Due process was not suspended as implied in the post. Anyone with their feet on the ground and their head not up their ass who read the post, knew by common sense that something was wrong with this reporting or interpretation. Like yourself. The post smells fishy Yet, one of the few on this list who appeared to take it as REAL was Enlightened Barry. Go Figure! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
And you, by any chance, wouldn't be thinking of taking advantage of this law, would you? Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure your motives in telling us this are the purest--just wondering. Do you find this post even remotely annoying, Michael? :) Sal On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Mother Divine update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How 'bout a box of Depends? (low blow! low blow!) haha. I was thinking of fiber tabs. Also electric massagers (for their tired feet and backs of course!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
But Sal Sunshine is your real name isn't it? I just figured you had hippie parents and they legally changed the family name to Sunshine. Or they let you when you became of age (5). Though you could have been more creative with the first name. I like the Zappas who name their kids Moon Unit and Dweezil. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you, by any chance, wouldn't be thinking of taking advantage of this law, would you? Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure your motives in telling us this are the purest--just wondering. Do you find this post even remotely annoying, Michael? :) Sal On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the following information, from today's New York Times news reports: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Be sure to read the comments section below the article. You'll see the paranoia was pretty much put to rest as this is for personal or private emails, not lists, newsgroups or forums. - Bhairitu Premanand Paul Mason wrote: CNET NEWS Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail By Declan McCullagh 9th January 2006 http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?tag=nl --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. Well, it took me one...count them, ONE...Google search to find exactly what he was talking about, including several news articles. Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. I do well for having less than half a brain, doncha think? For the record, I couldn't find it on the NYTimes site either. I think Michael may have misremembered where he saw the piece. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crimeNYT what sec. PageIDO NOT FINDit
I have the Times do NOt find it in todays the 29 th. Jan yesterdays the 28 Jan 06-Original Message-From: Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:18:54 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
CNET NEWS
Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail
By Declan McCullagh
9th January 2006
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-
6022491.html?tag=nl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This post is pretty funny. If not sad. Its sounded so odd that such
a
major bill could pass congress and be signed without any controversy
in the media. It a major Free Speech issue.
So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes.
And
the last 50 or so articles in the "Washington" section. Could't find
anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on
"anonymous" and seperately on "annoy". There are no articles in the
past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do
with what the poster says he read.
Please post the article or links to it.
Beyond the "no media controversy" and "no article" issues, the post
is
quite naive in its logic and its view of the world.
"Since Yahoo is committed to preventing illegal behavior in its
groups, according to a number of sections of Yahoo's "Terms of
Service" (that we agreed to when joining up), Yahoo would have to
discipline any in-dividual poster (or group) that doesn't abide by
this new Federal law - anyone who posts potentially "annoying" posts
anonymously or using a screen name or pseudo-name. Yahoo would have
to remove from its service an individual who was reported to them
as
persisting in violating the law."
Was Due Process suspeneded with this bill? No police investigation?
No
DA deciding if the case has merit? No trial? Just some angry person
says "He abused me" and it means that the alleged law was broken?
Oh my!
This post is simply creepy in its unsupported claims, phantom
article,
naivity, etc. I hope the students at THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION
are
better served.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Fairfield Lifers,
For the well-being and continuity of our group, I post the
following information, from today's New York Times news reports:
Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime.
Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on
post-
ing annoying web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages
with-
out disclosing your true identity.
In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a
blog as long as you do it under your real name.
This prohibition is included in the "Violence Against Women and
De-
partment of Justice Reauthorization Act". Criminal penalties
include
stiff fines and two years in prison.
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, a subsection
called "Prevent-
ing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law
to
prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his
iden-
tity and with intent to annoy."
Here's the relevant language:
"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to
ori-
ginate telecommunications or other types of communications that
are
transmitted, in whole or in part, by the internet... without
disclos-
ing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or
harass
any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined
under
Title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
My commentary:
Since the law uses the vague word "annoy", along with the
stronger lan-
guage ("threaten, harass, abuse"), the result for a discussion
group
such as ours may be:
1. You CAN discuss someone's ideas anonymously.
2. BUT you must reveal your true identity if you push the argument
very far, if you are perceived as "arguing", to where the
other
person could get "annoyed" with you - whether for your
perceived
"resistance", your differing point of view, etc.
3. And you must certainly reveal your true identity if you move
from debating his content (his ideas) to making any
disparaging
or even merely uninvited comments about the person himself -
in-
cluding comments about his motives, state of mind, character,
believability, qualifications, etc. - any of which could
easily
be predicted to be "annoying" to someone expecting polite
discus-
sion of his ideas only, and some of which may move
beyond "annoy-
ing" and into the realm of "threatening" or "harassing".
The bottom line: by virtue of this new Federal law, we must each
either
stop posting anything that could be reasonably expected to be
annoying
to another, or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13,000/26,000 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. It's like a top wobbling as its spin slows down. Picture a dinner plate, with the top moving around the outer edge of the plate, spinning as it goes, but also wobbling slowly. The axis of the top describes a small circle. The sun is at the center of the plate. The plane of the circle the top's axis is describing is roughly parallel to the plane of the plate. (Please excuse if this is a duplicate. Yahoo burped as I was trying to post it the first time.) Thanks. I understand that -- to a degree. :) But does it imply the sun rose in west 13,000 yrs agos? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: Senate Hearings
To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- - Original Message - From: Donald Laumeister To: D G Laumeister Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Senate Hearings Wouldn't you like to see Judge Alito and Chief Justice Robertsquestioning the Democrat Senators to determine their qualifications for Public office?Just imagine matching the IQs of the Senators and the Judges! The questions might go like this. Judge Alito (JA): "Senator Kennedy, I see from your official resume that you attended Harvard University..." Senator Kennedy (SK): "Yes, your honor, I certainly did." JA: "Did you graduate?" SK: "Your honor, I respectfully ask that you not pry into my personal life..." JA: "Is it not true that you were expelled from Harvard for violating the honor code, to wit, you hired someone to take an exam for you?" SK: "Mr. Chairman, I want to go on record that I disagree with this line of questioning. I ask the chair to order the Judge from asking questions about my private matters.." Senator Specter, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee: nbsp; "Answer theJudge's questions. He answered all of yours.." JA: "Senator Kennedy, we have on hand a transcript of the session of the university's honor council attesting to your fraudulent examination and subsequent expulsion from the university..." SK: "I have had all I can take of this line of unreasonable questioning. I am going to ask Al Gore how he managed to keep his early departure from Vanderbilt University Divinity School away from the eyes of you religious nuts..." JA: "Wait, Senator Kennedy, I want to ask you about the 26 phone calls you made from a motel room the night Mary Jo Kopecne drowned in your car at Chappaquidik, when you said you were asleep all night..." [ Kennedy flees the hearing room ] Senator Specter: "Chief Justice Roberts [CJR] will now interrogateSenator Biden [SB}, Democrat of Delaware..." CJR: "Senator Biden, is it not true that you were expelled from law school for plagiarizing another student's work?" SB: "Wait, Ted, I am going with you..." [ Biden flees the hearing room ] Senator Specter: "Judge Alito will now interrogate Senator Feinstein, Democrat of California..." JA: "Senator Feinstein [SF], why did you vote for the former Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan of West Virginia [Robert Byrd] to be the Democrat Senate Majority Leader in 1986, 1988, 1990, and 1992?" SF: "Wait, boys, I am going with you..." [Feinstein flees the hearing room ] [ end of hearing ] ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13,000/26,000 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. It's like a top wobbling as its spin slows down. Picture a dinner plate, with the top moving around the outer edge of the plate, spinning as it goes, but also wobbling slowly. The axis of the top describes a small circle. The sun is at the center of the plate. The plane of the circle the top's axis is describing is roughly parallel to the plane of the plate. (Please excuse if this is a duplicate. Yahoo burped as I was trying to post it the first time.) Thanks. I understand that -- to a degree. :) But does it imply the sun rose in west 13,000 yrs agos? No. How could it? The direction of the earth's rotation doesn't change. My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. As I stated, SV is primarily about the position of the sun, its rising, transit, setting, in relation to a house or building. If the building is facing the sun in the correct way now, it would still be facing the sun in the correct way in 13000 years (half a precessional cycle) --if still standing. Thus, with your clarification of the above point, I believe Peter's point is empty of substance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. Sure he did. He clearly said, Don't eat Hong Kong fish. :) Eat what your mother cooked for you. Brown rice? It seems so undigestable And he was WAY against exercise that increased breath rate like running (long answer to a jogger at Squaw Valley). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precession of the earth's axis causes the cardinal directions to slowly shift about 1 degree every 72 years. In moves in a circle with an arc of approx 24 degrees completing one cycle every 26,000 years. This means that if you establish true north, 13,000 years later it will be off by 24 degrees. Oh no! time to rotate the house! 13000 / 72 = 24? Is that the new math? I get 180 degrees. Which makes sense since that is half a circle --which corresponds to 13,000/26,000 -- half a precessional cycle. I need to better visualize what happens with precession. It's like a top wobbling as its spin slows down. Picture a dinner plate, with the top moving around the outer edge of the plate, spinning as it goes, but also wobbling slowly. The axis of the top describes a small circle. The sun is at the center of the plate. The plane of the circle the top's axis is describing is roughly parallel to the plane of the plate. (Please excuse if this is a duplicate. Yahoo burped as I was trying to post it the first time.) Thanks. I understand that -- to a degree. :) But does it imply the sun rose in west 13,000 yrs agos? No. How could it? The direction of the earth's rotation doesn't change. My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Maybe somebody else can. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Wasn't following that closely, sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. I guess thats why you did why you Googled it. The funny thing is, AkashAnonGabby, Are you calling me anonymously spacey? since the law appears to be real, you're the first person since it was mentioned here who would qualify for prosecution under it. No the real law appears quite misrepresented in Michael's post. Only a fool could take it as real as reported. I guess thats why you were bragging about your half brain -- above. The actual law, not the one in yours and michael's paranoid fantasties, has nothing to do with forums or blogs, intent to annoy must be proved, as tooted it would not hold up in courts since it so violates free speech and privacy, is not enforceable, is limited to stalking crimes. In sum, the real law has nothing to do with the rubbish michael posted -- and you gullably sucked up as real. Have you no shred of common sense? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Wasn't following that closely, sorry. Haha. OK. But since my post was a refutation of Peter's post, its hard to understand why you hold that my post is off if you don't understand his post. I mean we all expect Barry to strongly disagree with stuff he doesn't understand or follow, but I have always held your posts and logic in much higher regard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Wasn't following that closely, sorry. Haha. OK. But since my post was a refutation of Peter's post, its hard to understand why you hold that my post is off if you don't understand his post. I didn't pay much attention to his post. You said your mental image of precession wasn't clear; I tried to help with that. But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Wasn't following that closely, sorry. Let me try explain the positions as I understand them. Peter, please correct me if I get your position wrong. We both agree that precession advances 1 degree every 72 years, and makes a full cycle every 26,000 years. Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession (assuming it is still there (this is thought experiment -- useful for clarifying concepts.) And this thus makes SV quite releative to time, and makes invalid in the long run. You claim that the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years. I suggest that if you are correct, a building correctly facing the sun per SV now will be correctly facing the sun in 13000 years. If you are not correct, and peter is, the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way. So who is right? Judy: the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years. Peter: the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way per SV. The postions are mutually exclusive. This is not a Paradox of Brahman. Both statements cannot be true -- even if some psuedo-enlightened want to suggest that anyone who can't hold both as blissfully true will never be enlightened. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Wasn't following that closely, sorry. Haha. OK. But since my post was a refutation of Peter's post, its hard to understand why you hold that my post is off if you don't understand his post. I didn't pay much attention to his post. You said your mental image of precession wasn't clear; I tried to help with that. Yes. And I thank for that. But I am still seeking the visual model in my head that shows precession and its effects on the position of stars relative to earth (this is a major dif between jyotish and western astrology -- the latter not taking precession into account) and precession relative earth based directional orientations. Your spinning top is part, but not the complete model I am seeking. But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. Thus, I was surprised that while you don't get Peter's position -- you view my position is off. Yet my position refutes Peter's. Anyway, see my adjacent post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife : Photos
Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I found this somewhat related one. http://www.24heures.ch/vqhome/archives_new/decembre05/rajas_141205.edition=ls.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
on 1/29/06 11:45 PM, doctor_gabby_savy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. Don't know. I don't read French. Someone sent it to me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. Here's a short course, for those unfamiliar with how things work in the world of publishing: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of a magazine, would you put it in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, try entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 6. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly take a genius) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public (again), you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd invade... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. That is, it's not so much about the answer being 'hidden' from you or difficult to find as it about your inability or unwillingness to think. Here's a short course in how to find out such information: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. Think to yourself, self, this might just be the 'page one' of the magazine itself. Further think to yourself, self, I wonder whether maybe the title of the magazine might appear somewhere on the first page? 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' Think to yourself, gee self, I wonder what *that* is. 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of your magazine, would you put the *name* of the magazine in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, think to yourself, self, could the word in big print surrounded by a red background possibly be the name of the magazine? 6. Try following up on this idea by entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 7. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly involve rocket science) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
Oh Barry, you are sooo special, you are so unique. You are so magnifique. You are so much better than those dumb americans. You are, dare I say, now FRENCH. C'est increable. You are undoubtable French Brahman. So much superior to American BraHMAN. Whch is so superior to Iowan Brahman. You are are so so special. OMG C'est increaable that I actually am communicating with the enlightened Barry. I heard you were /are the SIMS washington state coordinator. That is like GOD. Amd you knew Rama. Who ALL in the modern spiritual community upholds and adores as pure purity. Like Sai Baba. You are so special. So unique. Not anything like the the scum on FFL who dis you. OH BARRY, YOU ARE THE ENLIGHTENEDV ONE -- THE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ONE. LETS kill all those who dis you and don't bow to your glory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. That is, it's not so much about the answer being 'hidden' from you or difficult to find as it about your inability or unwillingness to think. Here's a short course in how to find out such information: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. Think to yourself, self, this might just be the 'page one' of the magazine itself. Further think to yourself, self, I wonder whether maybe the title of the magazine might appear somewhere on the first page? 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' Think to yourself, gee self, I wonder what *that* is. 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of your magazine, would you put the *name* of the magazine in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, think to yourself, self, could the word in big print surrounded by a red background possibly be the name of the magazine? 6. Try following up on this idea by entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 7. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly involve rocket science) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
