[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I first looked into the question of whether something approximating to God existed, my intuition told me that the idea that conscious, intelligent, moral beings - like my good self - could arise as result of an accidental Big Bang was so obviously absurd I couldn't understand how supposedly bright people (scientists) could accept such a conclusion (even throwing natural selection into the mix). In those days the argument from design for God's existence was pooh-poohed by philosophers. Since then we've been struck by the amount of fine tuning that must have existed at the time of the Big Bang to allow for the development of life as we know it. Check out the details: the ratio of the strengths of gravity to that of electromagnetism; the strength of the force binding nucleons into nuclei; the relative importance of gravity and expansion energy in the Universe; the cosmological constant; etc; etc. Any slight variation = no life. Apparent fine tuning is interesting and needs an explanation but we don't know what sort of explanation, meaning that it could have been a pure coincidence first time or that there is a limit to the amount of possible universes that have to exist. We just happen to be in the right one for us. Currently, no one knows how much of a mystery it is. And whether it will always be a mystery is unknown but it comes down to the amount of matter/anti-matter at the start of the universe and the speed of expansion. The trouble that the religious people have trying to fit god in at this point of creation is that there isn't any way anything complex enough to be called intelligent and creative could have existed. That is a vastly harder problem for them to explain than the apparent fine tuning is for us. This has led defenders of atheism to postulate we inhabit a multiverse. If there were an infinite number of worlds then we don't need God as an hypothesis for why we find ourselves living in a human-friendly environment. That's true - but here's the thing: the idea of many worlds didn't come up back in the day when I had my intuition - everyone assumed we were living in a one-shot, one-off universe. If the multiverse theory is correct (a big if) then, yes, it means we don't need God, but it also shows how gullible Dawkins and co were to have rejected the original design argument. The multiverse is one idea among many and there are undoubtably loads of ideas about it no one has had yet. But it depends what multiverse theory we are talking about. The one you mention here sounds like the idea that there are a great many bubbles of universes that are physically seperate to ours, in a vaster space than our own, each of them slightly different with different start points of atomic weight etc. Some favoured this idea but it fails as science because it's untestable and is the same as saying that there have been and endless number of almost universes that arose one form the other until the correct one appeared. That really is just an idea to hopefully explain something even though it might even be true! The most interesting multiverse ideas involve a vast amount of universes in the same place and using the same atoms. The so-called many worlds interpretations of quantum theory. But these don't explain the fine tuning at the big bang because the atoms that they are made of are structures that formed after the point of creation (you know I don;t use that word religiously right? yeah, course you do...) I don't see how any of it means Dawkins was gullible not to go for the design argument. All design arguments are pointless because they require all the potential intelligence and complexity in the universe to have existed before the universe did because god must know what he wanted. But however you want to imagine that scenario it does involve an infinite regress because you are trying to explain complexity by relying on further pre-existing complexity which is pointless as it provides no answer. God theories are the same the same as refusing to think about it. Dawkins knows that ideas about god are stupid as explanations and grasped at the evolving universe idea to fit in with that. But he may still be right, what's needed is a fuller understanding of the initial state of everything which is what cosmologists are up to at the moment mapping the cosmic microwave background, the after glow of the big bang - still a few degrees hotter than absolute zero, 14 billion years later! - if you could look close enough at that you could see the first atoms in our universe form. Doubt we'll ever be that clever but fine tuning has to be solvable and that'll be the best way to go about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : There appears to be a common
[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this theory to support their idea that there is no God.: There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in whatever is unfolding. There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom running on a quantum computer. I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us. But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just start again. Wouldn't be the first time...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this?- Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe.- Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain?- Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path.- I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh?- About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Consciousness can't be explained by science because it is fundamental. Any ultimate explanation has to come down to some essential elements - otherwise you have an infinite regress. I claim that awareness is just such an irreducible element and so can't be explained in terms of anything more fundamental. Things don't have to be explained in a reducible physical sense for them to be fundamental. Consciousness is an emergent phenomena that relies on a certain level of complexity among types of brain cells, exactly what is required is the fundamental level of consciousness. There really is no evidence that anything else is required. That should be the emphasis here. Fundamentalism can apply to emergent things, you can't tell from looking at a carbon atom whether life will exist if it joins up with some others but we don't dispute the existence of life or claim it needs a special non-physical explanation. Therefore life occurs at a different fundamental level with its own laws and requirements. I don't get why consciousness is reserved such a pedestal just because it is currently unexplained. It is part of reality and so it will have a realist explanation just like everything else. Be a funny old state of affairs if it doesn't... Science is how it will be explained because science doesn't just rely on reductionism as people seem to think. But you will need to demonstrate you are correct about the explanation in a scientific way otherwise we are just waffling. I think the problem with consciousness will be adapting the eventual explanation to our own experience. The only alternatives to materialism are pantheism; pan-psychism or idealism. I have a soft spot for the latter. But I'm definitely *not* just a lump of organic matter. No you aren't. We are defined as being what the organic matter does. Greater than the sum of our parts but ultimately dependent on them. The only way you'll prove otherwise is by showing that brains aren't necessary for consciousness, which is their evolved purpose, among other things obviously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The counter argument to this is the anthropic principle: 'In astrophysics and cosmology, the anthropic principle (from Greek anthropos, meaning human) is the philosophical consideration that observations of the physical Universe must be compatible with the conscious and sapient life that observes it. Some proponents of the anthropic principle reason that it explains why the Universe has the age and the fundamental physical constants necessary to accommodate conscious life. As a result, they believe it is unremarkable that the universe's fundamental constants happen to fall within the narrow range thought to be compatible with life.' 'The strong anthropic principle (SAP) as explained by John D. Barrow and Frank Tipler states that this is all the case because the Universe is compelled, in some sense, to eventually have conscious and sapient life emerge within it. Critics of the SAP argue in favor of a weak anthropic principle (WAP) similar to the one defined by Brandon Carter, which states that the universe's ostensible fine tuning is the result of selection bias: i.e., only in a universe capable of eventually supporting life will there be living beings capable of observing and reflecting upon any such fine tuning, while a universe less compatible with life will go unbeheld. Most often such arguments draw upon some notion of the multiverse for there to be a statistical population of universes to select from and from which selection bias (our observance of only this Universe, apparently compatible with life) could occur.' So that the universe seems fine-tuned for us would be an illusion, multiverse or not. The conditions for us exist in this universe, and we are here, but that tells us nothing about what lies behind that fact. Dawkins is hardly gullible though I think he would hardly be as popular if he were merely indifferent to theism. People like a good scrap. Complex design can arise out of very simple conditions, as some mathematicians have demonstrated. The idea that design is the result of deliberate intelligence is an analogue to the way we think of ourselves and our creative abilities, but that does not mean such a view applies to the universe as a whole. Darwin led the way in showing how design can arise without a designer, by blind and impersonal forces. Now, 155 years later quite a lot of evidence has been marshalled for this view. Other than the fact of its existence, what may or may not lie 'behind' this universe of ours is a mystery. Maybe we will never know, but not knowing, it is infantile to make up explanations when in fact we do not know, unless there is some factual reason to speculate. Enlightenment tells us nothing about this either, all
[FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
[FairfieldLife] Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed... This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF | | | | | | | | | | | This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTFThis is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab | | | | View on www.incrediblething... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
Thanks, that really brightened up my day! Wonder what the lyrics mean? Something really profound I'll bet... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed... This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me. For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, everyday life? Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care? *By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang (meaning a single beginning of the universe). So I leave speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all. Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and I find that even less interesting. I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me terribly much... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I first looked into the question of whether something approximating to God existed, my intuition told me that the idea that conscious, intelligent, moral beings - like my good self - could arise as result of an accidental Big Bang was so obviously absurd I couldn't understand how supposedly bright people (scientists) could accept such a conclusion (even throwing natural selection into the mix). In those days the argument from design for God's existence was pooh-poohed by philosophers. Since then we've been struck by the amount of fine tuning that must have existed at the time of the Big Bang to allow for the development of life as we know it. Check out the details: the ratio of the strengths of gravity to that of electromagnetism; the strength of the force binding nucleons into nuclei; the relative importance of gravity and expansion energy in the Universe; the cosmological constant; etc; etc. Any slight variation = no life. Apparent fine tuning is interesting and needs an explanation but we don't know what sort of explanation, meaning that it could have been a pure coincidence first time or that there is a limit to the amount of possible universes that have to exist. We just happen to be in the right one for us. Currently, no one knows how much of a mystery it is. And whether it will always be a mystery is unknown but it comes down to the amount of matter/anti-matter at the start of the universe and the speed of expansion. The trouble that the religious people have trying to fit god in at this point of creation is that there isn't any way anything complex enough to be called intelligent and creative could have existed. That is a vastly harder problem for them to explain than the apparent fine tuning is for us. This has led defenders of atheism to postulate we inhabit a multiverse. If there were an infinite number of worlds then we don't need God as an hypothesis for why we find ourselves living in a human-friendly environment. That's true - but here's the thing: the idea of many worlds didn't come up back in the day when I had my intuition - everyone assumed we were living in a one-shot, one-off universe. If the multiverse theory is correct (a big if) then, yes, it means we don't need God, but it also shows how gullible Dawkins and co were to have rejected the original design argument. The multiverse is one idea among many and there are undoubtably loads of ideas about it no one has had yet. But it depends what multiverse theory we are talking about. The one you mention here sounds like the idea that there are a great many bubbles of universes that are physically seperate to ours, in a vaster space than our own, each of them slightly different with different start points of atomic weight etc. Some favoured this idea but it fails as science because it's untestable and is the same as saying that there have been and endless number of almost universes that arose one form the other until the correct one appeared. That really is just an idea to hopefully explain something even though it might even be true! The most interesting multiverse ideas involve a vast amount of universes in the same place and using the same atoms. The so-called many worlds interpretations of quantum theory. But these don't explain the fine tuning at the big bang because the atoms that they are made of are structures that formed after the point of creation (you know I don;t use that word religiously right? yeah, course you do...) I don't see how any of it means Dawkins was gullible not to go for the design argument. All design arguments are pointless because
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur response towards action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people to rally and improve their way of lives. We all must get back to a carbon footprint of about an 1820 standard of GDC if this green planet is going to continue to host us and our children at all. It is just a matter of science fact. It is quite time that science drives public policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced Videos and then some professionally written technical excuses by corporate running dogs like this rot that comes in response from Leiden are not much more than the lackey work of anesthetizing the working masses towards their collective graves. It is come a time for a spiritual revolution for all humanity and for the good of all the life of the whole planet against all human activity that disrupts our atmosphere and climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a very small element that regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just sit by idly in coffee shops on the internet. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this... From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's way to refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way of truck or train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past year involving the movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, spilling the crude, leaving a greater environmental mess to clean up, using tax dollars that could be used more productively. Meanwhile, a female US senator is about to lose her job because her party and President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high paying jobs, so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans in a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and party who don't care how people live but that they just get their vote. An oil glut means greater competition for petroleum dollars. Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and Persians that would use those dollars to do harm. It means cheaper transportation for us and our goods that move about the country and world. It means more money in our pockets to do the things we want to do like buying that new mantra or that extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on more efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot to look like we *care*. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least makes hugely expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less profitable. On the other hand, having so much oil available also decreases the incentives to find alternative fuel sources. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done piece and made its point well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : More Effective Protest? Ha, ha, ha. That video is not going to affect GDC [Gross Domestic Consumption] or decrease the emission of heat-trapping gas anywhere except proly increase the gross sales of LEGOS in the first-world this Christmas.-Buck turquoiseb diverts :..create not only more gentle protests, but more effective ones, protests that actually work Just let'em try to run that stinking global climate changing pipeline across the Global Country of World Peace here! They'll see a real fight then. I could empathize like with Obama in the position of our larger defense for instance having to send drones against such enemies out to destroy our rights and freedoms and our very way of life whence it would come to such an extreme attack like that on a way of life and a people. What was that old 1960's anti-war button, 'civil disobedience is civil defense of the country'.. to the barricades now to protect our green world. EarthFirst! That pipeline stinks of corporations. -Buck in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Just let'em try to run that stinking global climate changing pipeline across the Global Country of World Peace here! They'll see a real fight then. Peace indeed. Do you see a contradiction here Buck? Just more macho posturing from Buck. Meanwhile, some people create not only more gentle protests, but more effective ones, protests that actually work: LEGO: Everything is NOT awesome - Greenpeace International | Facebook
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
Buck is being a drama queen again. The video he is pooh-poohing *accomplished its purpose*, with no marches and no posturing in the streets. LEGO, a multi-billion-dollar company, took one look at how its association with Shell was perceived, and canceled that association forever. Greenpeace won, LEGO won, and Shell lost. Buck seems to prefer making a bunch of noise and posturing about things, but accomplishing nothing -- all while claiming to be better than others who actually accomplish things. In other words, the same approach he's always taken to complaining about the TMO. On another level, it is *ludicrous* for a loudmouth like Buck to talk about action. The most he's ever done is bitch on the Internet, while hiding behind a pseudonym. REAL taking action would be talking in plain language (not the flowery blissninny-speak he prefers) in local newspapers and TV stations, under his *real name*, Doug Hamilton. Until that happens, I think we can safely dismiss Buck as just a posturing coward. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur responsetowards action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people torally and improve their way of lives. We all must get back to acarbon footprint of about an 1820 standard of GDC if this green planetis going to continue to host us and our children at all. It is justa matter of science fact. It is quite time that science drivespublic policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced Videos and then someprofessionally written technical excuses by corporate running dogslike this rot that comes in response from Leiden are not much morethan the lackey work of anesthetizing the working masses towardstheir collective graves. It is come a time for a spiritualrevolution for all humanity and for the good of all the life of thewhole planet against all human activity that disrupts our atmosphereand climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a very small elementthat regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just sit byidly in coffee shops on the internet. Jai Guru Dev,-Buck sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this... From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's way to refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way of truck or train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past year involving the movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, spilling the crude, leaving a greater environmental mess to clean up, using tax dollars that could be used more productively. Meanwhile, a female US senator is about to lose her job because her party and President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high paying jobs, so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans in a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and party who don't care how people live but that they just get their vote. An oil glut means greater competition for petroleum dollars. Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and Persians that would use those dollars to do harm. It means cheaper transportation for us and our goods that move about the country and world. It means more money in our pockets to do the things we want to do like buying that new mantra or that extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on more efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot to look like we *care*. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least makes hugely expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less profitable. On the other hand, having so much oil available also decreases the incentives to find alternative fuel sources. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done piece and made its point well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : More Effective Protest? Ha, ha, ha. That video is not going to affect GDC [Gross Domestic Consumption] or decrease the emission of heat-trapping gas anywhere except proly increase the gross sales of LEGOS in the first-world this Christmas.-Buck turquoiseb diverts :..create not only more gentle protests, but more effective ones, protests that actually work Just
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. -Xenophaneros Anartaxius 404951 Oblivious or Willful morally unbound? Bringing in and using the TMO as an example may not be illustrative of the nature or nurture of spiritual enlightenment lived in life. Go too far with the TMO example polluted with the story of many people then the conversation goes over to entertaining negativity and would start in to denouncing people in culture. That goes beyond spirituality and enlightenment the way Fleet is clearly talking by example. -Buck anartaxius@... wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other. Former of light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these. Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed source of creation (a great way to express narcissism too). There are similar passage in the Bhagavad-Gita. If everything, good and bad are integral in existence and are sourced from the same origin or have the same being, and we come to direct knowledge of that, what is to prevent us from being all those qualities that (some) people abhor? Light is the left hand of darkness and darkness the right hand of light. Two are one, life and death, lying together like lovers in kemmer, like hands joined together, like the end and the way. —Ursula K. Le Guin From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The Zen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me. For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, everyday life? Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care? *By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang (meaning a single beginning of the universe). So I leave speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all. Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and I find that even less interesting. I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me terribly much... For me it's about answering the fundamental question, the greatest mystery: Why is there something rather than nothing? When I sit and ponder that it gets more amazing rather than less and just demands to be understood. Sure, it won't help pay the mortgage but there's a satisfaction in solving problems for their own sake. And they don;t come much bigger than why are we here? Consciousness is the other biggie. I'm not a woo woo believer, unless there's something we really haven't understood it's obviously something that happens in the brain and that's that. But how? Bit of a puzzle how we have this vast inner space with feelings and colour and desires and a constant babble of ideas and questions. How does it work, and like the fine tuning problem, is it actually difficult or have we just not had the simple but bright idea that explains it yet? I predict it will be simple because the greatest ideas that explain the most always are. How could it be any other way when everything else has got here under its own steam with no divine guidance? You just can't have complexity coming first. If anyone says you can then we may as well not bother trying to understand anything because everything we've got so far must make no sense and be completely wrong. And as it seems to make rather good sense the mystics must be mistaken. QED surely. And that's my tea break over... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I first looked into the question of whether something approximating to God existed, my intuition told me that the idea that conscious, intelligent, moral beings - like my good self - could arise as result of an accidental Big Bang was so obviously absurd I couldn't understand how supposedly bright people (scientists) could accept such a conclusion (even throwing natural selection into the mix). In those days the argument from design for God's existence was pooh-poohed by philosophers. Since then we've been struck by the amount of fine tuning that must have existed at the time of the Big Bang to allow for the development of life as we know it. Check out the details: the ratio of the strengths of gravity to that of electromagnetism; the strength of the force binding nucleons into nuclei; the relative importance of gravity and expansion energy in the Universe; the cosmological constant; etc; etc. Any slight variation = no life. Apparent fine tuning is interesting and needs an explanation but we don't know what sort of explanation, meaning that it could have been a pure coincidence first time or that there is a limit to the amount of possible universes that have to exist. We just happen to be in the right one for us. Currently, no one knows how much of a mystery it is. And whether it will always be a mystery is unknown but it comes down to the amount of matter/anti-matter at the start of the universe and the speed of expansion. The trouble that the religious people have trying to fit god in at this point of creation is that there isn't any way anything complex enough to be called intelligent and creative could have existed. That is a vastly harder problem for them to explain than the apparent fine tuning is for us. This has led defenders of atheism to postulate we inhabit a multiverse. If there were an infinite number of worlds then we don't need God as an hypothesis for why we find ourselves living in a human-friendly environment. That's true - but here's the thing: the idea of many worlds didn't come up back in the day when I had my intuition - everyone assumed we
[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
The Type I multiverse isn't a belief, but merely the inescapable conclusion that you simply MUST draw given a few assumptions about the nature of the universe. Basically, a Type I multiverse exists (simply MUST exist) if there is an infinite physical expanse. In other words, our observable universe is merely a bubble of observable space-time embedded in an infinitely vast physical space where, by nature of Quantum Mechanics, an infinite number of bubbles of locally observable space-time have arisen, are arising and will arise. Each bubble has potentially its own unique state from the inception of its local Big Bang onward. Given a finite number of particles in our own local space-time bubble and such an infinite expanse, there must be an infinite number of 100% identical copies of our universe existing at any given moment, along with an infinite number of all other possible manifestations as well. Tegmark has written quite a few essays about this theory which are available online. In a sense, a Type 1 multiverse is merely an extension of Bolzmann's Brain, which is where a nervous system spontaneously arises somewhere in the universe due to random quantum events that has an illusory past history that makes said nervous system believe that it is a typical living creature with a human/martian/vulcan/whatever background -at least for that brief instant before it expires due to lack of anything that would normally keep such a nervous system alive. Futurerama had at least one episode where the characters encounter an entire colony of such brains floating in space. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this theory to support their idea that there is no God.: The multiverse theory - the idea that there are a possibly infinite number of universes - is uncannily like the idea of the medieval scholastics that in God there were an infinite number of potential worlds that He(?) could actualize. The big difference - and it is a really, really big difference - is that in the multiverse theory all possible universes *must* exist - including the most hideous. For the theologians, God would *only* bring into existence those worlds he felt were good (good in the long run - and for the majority of us). And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31) Also in this He shewed me a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball. I looked thereupon with eye of my understanding, and thought: What may this be? And it was answered generally thus: It is all that is made. I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little[ness]. And I was answered in my understanding: It lasteth, and ever shall [last] for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God. (Julian of Norwich) There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in whatever is unfolding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Takes a Hit in the Netherlands
Why would you think that it would? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wonder how come the Marshy Effect didn't prevent such a ruling?? Original document: ANBI-status Transcendente Meditatie stichting terecht ingetrokken • Accountancy Nieuws - nieuws, achtergrond en verdieping http://www.accountancynieuws.nl/actueel/fiscaliteit/anbi-status-transcendente-meditatie-stichting.146735.lynkx#.VGOPMEsqg3a ANBI-status Transcendente Meditatie stichting terecht ingetrokken • Accountancy Nieuws - nieuws,... http://www.accountancynieuws.nl/actueel/fiscaliteit/anbi-status-transcendente-meditatie-stichting.146735.lynkx#.VGOPMEsqg3a De stichting stimuleert de beoefening van Transcendente Meditatie (TM) volgens de leer van Maharishi Mahesh. Hiertoe is door de stichting in Lelystad een woonwijk gerealiseerd. View on www.accountancynieuws.nl http://www.accountancynieuws.nl/actueel/fiscaliteit/anbi-status-transcendente-meditatie-stichting.146735.lynkx#.VGOPMEsqg3a Preview by Yahoo English translation: ANBI status Transcendental Meditation foundation can be withdrawn 27-10-2014 13:13 • UN Today The Administration has rightly withdrawn ANBI status of a foundation that promotes the practice of Transcendental Meditation. That is the verdict court northern Netherlands came recently. According to the court edify its activities mainly private consumption interests of the participants. The foundation encourages the practice of Transcendental Meditation (TM) as taught by Maharishi Mahesh. Is a residential area this purpose achieved by the foundation in Lelystad. The Foundation for the maintenance of the district and subsidizes the school, the organic shop and vegetarian restaurant. Participants rent a house or buy. The participants and all persons belonging to their household, are also a monthly contribution payable to the foundation. In dispute is whether the status of public benefit institution (ANBI) of the foundation routed there by July 1, 2012 is revoked. Court Northern Netherlands ruled that the foundation with its activities, the private consumption interests of the participants mainly. To personal well-being and personal development of the participants have a beneficial effect on their environment. However, this effect is indirect and subordinate to the individual interests of the participants. Thus, the Foundation does not establish that the general interest of 90% or more (quantitative test) served by the activities of the foundation. The appeal of the foundation is unfounded.
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment, the Most Absurd Rumor?
Defining Enlightenment, Anartaxius wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. Hows about this as an alternative for the sake of discussion: “GURU DEV, The Unified Field, bliss of the Absolute, transcendental joy, the Self-Sufficient, the embodiment of pure knowledge which is beyond and above the universe like the sky, the aim of Thou art That and other such expressions which unfold eternal truth, the One, the Eternal, the Pure, the Immoveable, the Witness of all intellects, whose status transcends thought, the Transcendent along with the three gunas, the true preceptor, to the UNIFIED FIELD SHRI GURU DEV, I bow down.” -Buck There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. -Xenophaneros Anartaxius 404951 Oblivious or Willful morally unbound? Bringing in and using the TMO as an example may not be illustrative of the nature or nurture of spiritual enlightenment lived in life. Go too far with the TMO example polluted with the story of many people then the conversation goes over to entertaining negativity and would start in to denouncing people in culture. That goes beyond spirituality and enlightenment the way Fleet is clearly talking by example. -Buck anartaxius@... wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other. Former of light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these. Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed source of creation (a great way to express narcissism
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment, the Most Absurd Rumor?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Defining Enlightenment, Anartaxius wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. Hows about this as an alternative for the sake of discussion: “GURU DEV, The Unified Field, bliss of the Absolute, transcendental joy, the Self-Sufficient, the embodiment of pure knowledge which is beyond and above the universe like the sky, the aim of Thou art That and other such expressions which unfold eternal truth, the One, the Eternal, the Pure, the Immoveable, the Witness of all intellects, whose status transcends thought, the Transcendent along with the three gunas, the true preceptor, to the UNIFIED FIELD SHRI GURU DEV, I bow down.” Sounds like a good trip but doesn't really explain anything except it terms that are also unexplained like eternal truth and the immovable. And pure knowledge that's the oddest concept of the lot as it implies there is no added waffle but is in itself a bit vague. More work required. The three Gunas I do understand though, that was Harry Secombe, Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan wasn't it? -Buck There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. -Xenophaneros Anartaxius 404951 Oblivious or Willful morally unbound? Bringing in and using the TMO as an example may not be illustrative of the nature or nurture of spiritual enlightenment lived in life. Go too far with the TMO example polluted with the story of many people then the conversation goes over to entertaining negativity and would start in to denouncing people in culture. That goes beyond spirituality and enlightenment the way Fleet is clearly talking by example. -Buck anartaxius@... wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me. For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, everyday life? Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care? *By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang (meaning a single beginning of the universe). So I leave speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all. Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and I find that even less interesting. I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me terribly much... For me it's about answering the fundamental question, the greatest mystery: Why is there something rather than nothing? When I sit and ponder that it gets more amazing rather than less and just demands to be understood. Sure, it won't help pay the mortgage but there's a satisfaction in solving problems for their own sake. And they don;t come much bigger than why are we here? This would seem to be the essential difference between thee and me. I am just not drawn that way. I have a more Buddhist approach (although I've always had it, and didn't get it *from* Buddhism, as a kind of dogma that I was taught or came to believe in). For me the Great Mystery is *not* the Why? of life, but the What now? of life. Why I found somewhat of a resonance with Buddhism is that they, too, don't really expend much energy trying to figure out why and how Here And Now happened. That is looked upon as a waste of time, because nothing you learn can actually *affect* Here And Now. The Buddhist approach (and mine, long before I ever heard of Buddhism) is more, What is the nature of Here And Now, and how can I make the best of it? Consciousness is the other biggie. I'm not a woo woo believer, unless there's something we really haven't understood it's obviously something that happens in the brain and that's that. But how? Bit of a puzzle how we have this vast inner space with feelings and colour and desires and a constant babble of ideas and questions. How does it work, and like the fine tuning problem, is it actually difficult or have we just not had the simple but bright idea that explains it yet? Again, for me this is more of a non-issue. Wondering What is consciousness? strikes me as akin to a fish wondering What is water? The answer -- if there ever is one -- doesn't help you swim or avoid sharks. :-) I predict it will be simple because the greatest ideas that explain the most always are. How could it be any other way when everything else has got here under its own steam with no divine guidance? You just can't have complexity coming first. If anyone says you can then we may as well not bother trying to understand anything because everything we've got so far must make no sense and be completely wrong. And as it seems to make rather good sense the mystics must be mistaken. QED surely. And that's my tea break over... And my lunch break over... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I first looked into the question of whether something approximating to God existed, my intuition told me that the idea that conscious, intelligent, moral beings - like my good self - could arise as result of an accidental Big Bang was so obviously absurd I couldn't understand how supposedly bright people (scientists) could accept such a conclusion (even throwing natural selection into the mix). In those days the argument from design for God's existence was pooh-poohed by philosophers. Since then we've been struck by the amount of fine tuning that must have existed at the time of the Big Bang to allow for the development of life as we know it. Check out the details: the ratio of the strengths of gravity to that of electromagnetism; the strength of the force binding nucleons into nuclei; the relative importance of gravity and expansion energy in the Universe; the cosmological constant; etc; etc. Any slight variation = no life. Apparent fine tuning is interesting and needs an explanation but we don't know what sort of explanation, meaning that it could have been a pure coincidence first time or that there is a
Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]
Yes, just like that. Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. He is at no loss for insults and even screaming in print, about it. He doesn't realize the insights that enlightenment brings to oneself, and would never be able to continue his isolated and nasty existence, along with the deep silence of Being, that accompanies all states of enlightenment. He wants something that he really can't handle, and doesn't know it. It is truly a case of not wanting someone else to have something he cannot accomplish. A sad and frustrating place to be. As they say, it sucks to be him.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I never understood envy - what a useless emotion. Envy must be nature's way of saying, Get off your butt, and Do Something. I think you are absolutely right. Envy could lead to positive action. On the other hand, envy seems to stem from a kind of sense of entitlement. Envy does not take in the complexity of why or how someone has, owns or is what they do, it only seems to originate from the fact that someone wants, free, that as well. I have stopped envying anyone because you never know what things really cost or what someone's reality really is. Something seen from the outside is just the shell of the thing a lot of the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be an ego thing. I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we are back to square one. :-) This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Type I multiverse isn't a belief, but merely the inescapable conclusion that you simply MUST draw given a few assumptions about the nature of the universe. If you have to rely on assumptions it is still just a theory. We simply don't know yet if the universe is infinite in extent. In a sense, a Type 1 multiverse is merely an extension of Bolzmann's Brain, which is where a nervous system spontaneously arises somewhere in the universe due to random quantum events that has an illusory past history that makes said nervous system believe that it is a typical living creature with a human/martian/vulcan/whatever background -at least for that brief instant before it expires due to lack of anything that would normally keep such a nervous system alive. Futurama had at least one episode where the characters encounter an entire colony of such brains floating in space. In that case I believe it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this theory to support their idea that there is no God.: The multiverse theory - the idea that there are a possibly infinite number of universes - is uncannily like the idea of the medieval scholastics that in God there were an infinite number of potential worlds that He(?) could actualize. The big difference - and it is a really, really big difference - is that in the multiverse theory all possible universes *must* exist - including the most hideous. For the theologians, God would *only* bring into existence those worlds he felt were good (good in the long run - and for the majority of us). And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31) Also in this He shewed me a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball. I looked thereupon with eye of my understanding, and thought: What may this be? And it was answered generally thus: It is all that is made. I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little[ness]. And I was answered in my understanding: It lasteth, and ever shall [last] for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God. (Julian of Norwich) There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in whatever is unfolding.
[FairfieldLife] Russell Brand Sends Message to Youth
VIDEO: Russell Brand Sends Message to Youth Sirius XM Radio / November 10, 2014 In a recent interview on Bob Roth’s radio show, Success without Stress, actor, comedian, and activist Russell Brand sent the youth of the world a direct message: “Transcendental Meditation in adolescence, in your teenage years, or in your childhood is going to be invaluable to you.” WATCH HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnZn7i2xT2U
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/19/2014 7:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, the coal trains go through FF all day long! /A coal train is running through the middle of the Global Country of World Peace? // // //Well, I just hope they're not using any pesticides on Buck's farm - if so, the chemicals would have to come in on a truck to the local feed store.// Although we don't drink milk anymore, we are still have questions about consuming raw milk. Also, we are concerned about the piped-in drinking water to Buck's farm - is it safe for to use to grow food? How can we keep chemicals out of our food chain? Apparently even brown rice has some arsenic in it. What?! Are there any organic farms around there? So many questions about the pipeline. Go figure.// /*/ /**Illnesses linked to raw milk in Wisconsin *Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:* *http://tinyurl.com/mc4w9bx *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest On 11/19/2014 1:49 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, hopefully Buck is NOT drinking the tap water of FF! /I hope he's not using any electricity produced by that coal burning Archer Daniels Midland Cedar Rapids Power Plant!/ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest On 11/19/2014 10:41 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/19/2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've got trains with oil cars on them passing a block away on a trestle. There is a movement to ban them going through town but I doubt if it's going to work being this is a refinery town that Shell owns. /A local train derailment with oil aboard is probably the least of your problems. The gasoline that gets refined and brought in to your local gas station on a truck twice a week probably drives right past your house. You probably have better odds of getting hit by lightening than injured by spilled oil downtown. As long as you use gasoline and oil there are going to be pipelines. Go figure./ On 11/19/2014 1:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Those trucks neither need nor are allowed to drive down this residential street. /The gasoline trucks have to get to the gas station somehow. It takes a big truck to pick up trash on the street in any neighborhood and probably none of them are electric or hybrid./ A lot of people own hybrids around here. /It takes a lot fuel to run an electric company for a town the size of Oakland and Walnut Creek. / We figure most are owned by refinery workers. :-D /The key is to diversify: nuclear, solar, and wind power generated electricity, like down here./ /P.S. Please remind Buck that he probably gets most of his water through a pipeline of some sort./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment, the Most Absurd Rumor?
Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. Period. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Defining Enlightenment, Anartaxius wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. Hows about this as an alternative for the sake of discussion: “GURU DEV, The Unified Field, bliss of the Absolute, transcendental joy, the Self-Sufficient, the embodiment of pure knowledge which is beyond and above the universe like the sky, the aim of Thou art That and other such expressions which unfold eternal truth, the One, the Eternal, the Pure, the Immoveable, the Witness of all intellects, whose status transcends thought, the Transcendent along with the three gunas, the true preceptor, to the UNIFIED FIELD SHRI GURU DEV, I bow down.” Sounds like a good trip but doesn't really explain anything except it terms that are also unexplained like eternal truth and the immovable. And pure knowledge that's the oddest concept of the lot as it implies there is no added waffle but is in itself a bit vague. More work required. The three Gunas I do understand though, that was Harry Secombe, Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan wasn't it? -Buck There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. -Xenophaneros Anartaxius 404951 Oblivious or Willful morally unbound? Bringing in and using the TMO as an example may not be illustrative of the nature or nurture of spiritual enlightenment lived in life. Go too far with the TMO example polluted with the story of many people then the conversation goes over to entertaining negativity and would start in to denouncing people in culture. That goes beyond spirituality and enlightenment the way Fleet is clearly talking by example. -Buck anartaxius@... wrote : I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur wrote : I guess your TM obsession began the day Fred died? That would make sense. I think Edg called that one. Two teachers whose philosophy you bought into. The second one dies, and then you return to the first. Okay, makes a little more sense now. On 11/19/2014 9:02 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Edg delivered the most succinct and laser-like post to bawee I've ever read. I think bawee's hair is still on fire, the little he has left of it. /Years ago I tried to warn Barry to watch his big pie hole but he wouldn't listen to me - he got whipped real bad by Judy, Delia and Andrew over on Google Groups, which is why he came over to Yahoo Groups. But, he just couldn't shut up, so he copied a bunch of my messages from FFL and then went back over to *alt.meditation.transcendental*. and posted them, along with a challenge for Judy to come over here and continue the discussion. It was a really stooopid thing to do - he really did a bad thing. Apparently this is a pattern because he followed me over to *alt.religion.gnostic* and tried to pick a fight over there about the *Gnostics and the Silk Road*. Barry got really beat up bad by Kater - it was a real spectacle. (//Links on request)./ / /On 11/19/2014 8:40 PM, awoelflebater wrote: /Edg did a pretty good and very succinct job of it here the other day. I'm still marveling. See, I just sit back and do nothing and it accomplishes everything. / / It looks like Edg is on Barry's no-read list now. /// /The really funny thing is, after posting the challenge on Google Groups, Barry then refused to dialog with me, insinuating that I was just a military brat and a hick from Texas who had nothing better to do than screw prairie dogs. The cognitive dissonance is clear: he challenged me to a debate, copied my stuff and posted it, then refused to debate. Which is really weird, since he's a hick from Texas and a military brat with nothing better to do than copy my stuff. Go figure.// /
[FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
Richard, there's Radiance Dairy farm. I think they're organic. And their cows
listen to Gandharva Ved music.MSAE has a green house and there's organic
produce grown on TMO farms north of campus. Eggs from Amish farms up north
aways. The food made locally and sold in local health food stores here is
wonderful.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/19/2014 7:58 PM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, the coal trains go through FF all day long!
A coal train is running through the middle of the Global Country of World
Peace?
Well, I just hope they're not using any pesticides on Buck's farm - if so, the
chemicals would have to come in on a truck to the local feed store.
Although we don't drink milk anymore, we are still have questions about
consuming raw milk. Also, we are concerned about the piped-in drinking water to
Buck's farm - is it safe for to use to grow food?
How can we keep chemicals out of our food chain? Apparently even brown rice
has some arsenic in it. What?!
Are there any organic farms around there? So many questions about the
pipeline. Go figure.
Illnesses linked to raw milk in Wisconsin
Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:
http://tinyurl.com/mc4w9bx
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/19/2014 1:49 PM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, hopefully Buck is NOT drinking the tap water of FF!
I hope he's not using any electricity produced by that coal burning Archer
Daniels Midland Cedar Rapids Power Plant!
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/19/2014 10:41 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
On 11/19/2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I've got trains with oil cars on them passing a block away on a trestle.
There is a movement to ban them going through town but I doubt if it's going
to work being this is a refinery town that Shell owns.
A local train derailment with oil aboard is probably the least of your
problems. The gasoline that gets refined and brought in to your local gas
station on a truck twice a week probably drives right past your house. You
probably have better odds of getting hit by lightening than injured by spilled
oil downtown. As long as you use gasoline and oil there are going to be
pipelines. Go figure.
On 11/19/2014 1:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Those trucks neither need nor are allowed to drive down this residential
street.
The gasoline trucks have to get to the gas station somehow. It takes a big
truck to pick up trash on the street in any neighborhood and probably none of
them are electric or hybrid.
A lot of people own hybrids around here.
It takes a lot fuel to run an electric company for a town the size of
Oakland and Walnut Creek.
We figure most are owned by refinery workers. :-D
The key is to diversify: nuclear, solar, and wind power generated
electricity, like down here.
P.S. Please remind Buck that he probably gets most of his water through a
pipeline of some sort.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sharing
/There's probably nothing more pathetic than a anonymous troll who joins a online spiritual discussion just to berate and make fun of people on a spiritual path, posting rude and hateful messges. And and then refusing to respond - making up filters and folders to discriminate against other members, based on their birth circumstances, where they were born, their race, or their gender. /On 11/19/2014 8:58 PM, awoelflebate wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
hey s2, not sure exactly Barry has written down there. The thing is, the mention of God seems to have the effect of having him go bat shit crazy. Sounds like a sales clerk made a minor suggestion, giving Barry an opening to run his favorite spiel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this? - Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe. - Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain? - Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path. - I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh? - About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard.
The quote was:
Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless,
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing
could *possibly* be more stupid than that.
But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened.
Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened*
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent
turnips. :-) :-) :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state.
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminds me of Fairfield Life :-)
This is a perfect example of a troll posting, Barry. You are making us military brats look like dumb-ass bigots. You've never even set foot in Fairfield, IA. Go figure. /Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses./ On 11/19/2014 9:46 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/23730_10151152973687687_1869282985_n.jpg?oh=3f3b1518c546890cba3e8fb9b9eec421oe=54DC1203__gda__=1423455696_1675b3087070dea11ae6bc0865de61cc
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
All this indicates is that Barry has no other place to go for his philosophical musings. If things follow script, we'll get the unworthy post shortly. Oh, and we can expect a four pager from anataxius. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the
afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would
otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect
at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't
resist. Mea culpa. :-)
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard.
The quote was:
Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless,
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing
could *possibly* be more stupid than that.
But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened.
Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened*
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent
turnips. :-) :-) :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state.
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
Just another, I don't need no stickin'___ from the guy who can barely be bothered to post here. Talk about predictable content. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed... This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
/Yeah, Barry, I guess this is why you worked for a guy that called himself the Zen Master Rama, who earned a black-belt in Chinese martial arts and philosophy. This has got to be one of the clearest//examples of cognitive dissonance I've ever read. What is wrong with you - are you so desperate for attention that you have to whack eight million Asians on a Yahoo chat-room? Go figure./ On 11/20/2014 3:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed.../* */ /* */This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf//* image http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
just another, IDNNS __ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me. For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, everyday life? Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care? *By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang (meaning a single beginning of the universe). So I leave speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all. Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and I find that even less interesting. I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me terribly much... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I first looked into the question of whether something approximating to God existed, my intuition told me that the idea that conscious, intelligent, moral beings - like my good self - could arise as result of an accidental Big Bang was so obviously absurd I couldn't understand how supposedly bright people (scientists) could accept such a conclusion (even throwing natural selection into the mix). In those days the argument from design for God's existence was pooh-poohed by philosophers. Since then we've been struck by the amount of fine tuning that must have existed at the time of the Big Bang to allow for the development of life as we know it. Check out the details: the ratio of the strengths of gravity to that of electromagnetism; the strength of the force binding nucleons into nuclei; the relative importance of gravity and expansion energy in the Universe; the cosmological constant; etc; etc. Any slight variation = no life. Apparent fine tuning is interesting and needs an explanation but we don't know what sort of explanation, meaning that it could have been a pure coincidence first time or that there is a limit to the amount of possible universes that have to exist. We just happen to be in the right one for us. Currently, no one knows how much of a mystery it is. And whether it will always be a mystery is unknown but it comes down to the amount of matter/anti-matter at the start of the universe and the speed of expansion. The trouble that the religious people have trying to fit god in at this point of creation is that there isn't any way anything complex enough to be called intelligent and creative could have existed. That is a vastly harder problem for them to explain than the apparent fine tuning is for us. This has led defenders of atheism to postulate we inhabit a multiverse. If there were an infinite number of worlds then we don't need God as an hypothesis for why we find ourselves living in a human-friendly environment. That's true - but here's the thing: the idea of many worlds didn't come up back in the day when I had my intuition - everyone assumed we were living in a one-shot, one-off universe. If the multiverse theory is correct (a big if) then, yes, it means we don't need God, but it also shows how gullible Dawkins and co were to have rejected the original design argument. The multiverse is one idea among many and there are undoubtably loads of ideas about it no one has had yet. But it depends what multiverse theory we are talking about. The one you mention here sounds like the idea that there are a great many bubbles of universes that are physically seperate to ours, in a vaster space than our own, each of them slightly different with different start points of atomic weight etc. Some favoured this idea but it fails as science because it's untestable and is the same as saying that there have been and endless number of almost universes that arose one form the other until the correct one appeared. That really is just an idea to hopefully explain something even though it might even be true! The most interesting multiverse ideas involve a vast amount of universes in the same place and using the same atoms. The so-called many worlds interpretations of quantum theory. But these don't explain the fine tuning at the big bang because the atoms that they are made of are structures that formed after the point of creation (you know I don;t use that word religiously right? yeah, course you
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
/You guys are making yourselves look very prejudiced and mixed up. Both of you are probably using Chinese-made computers and neither of you can read or understand a single word of Chinese.//Go figure./ On 11/20/2014 4:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks, that really brightened up my day! Wonder what the lyrics mean? Something really profound I'll bet... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed.../* */ /* */This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf//* image http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Dear rry, was There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
/Dear Barry,// // //As a friend, let me take this opportunity to let you know that you are acting like a ten-year old child. Is this all you can think of to post to a spiritual discussion group? // //It looks like the votes are in, Barry, almost everyone on this list thinks you are trolling. Which is kind of funny, since for ten years you've been calling me the troll. Go figure./ /Hint:***NOBODY CARES IF JIM CLAIMS HE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.*/ On 11/20/2014 6:59 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
[FairfieldLife] Dear Barry, was There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
/Dear Barry,// // //As a friend, let me take this opportunity to let you know that you are acting like a ten-year old child. Is this all you can think of to post to a spiritual discussion group? // //It looks like the votes are in, Barry, almost everyone on this list thinks you are trolling. Which is kind of funny, since for ten years you've been calling me the troll. Go figure./ /Hint:***NOBODY CARES IF JIM CLAIMS HE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.*/ On 11/20/2014 6:59 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
On 11/20/2014 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote: dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! /Barry does seem to be JELLOS. I can understand why that could make an insecure person envious. But, why do you suppose Barry wants everyone everyone to see how badly he resents others success? But to post this confession on a public forum and risk being ridiculed is kind of bizarre to say the least. Go figure./ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
[FairfieldLife] The particle zoo grows ever larger!
With some nice pictures. Nature seems to make very nice wallpaper. Two new particles discovered at Cern by smashing protons together http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2842299/Cern-scientists-discover-two-new-particles-smashing-protons-shed-new-light-universe.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2842299/Cern-scientists-discover-two-new-particles-smashing-protons-shed-new-light-universe.html Two new particles discovered at Cern by smashing proton... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2842299/Cern-scientists-discover-two-new-particles-smashing-protons-shed-new-light-universe.html The Large Hadron Collider in Geneva has discovered two new particles. The discovery was made by smashing protons at 99.% the speed of light (illustrati... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2842299/Cern-scientists-discover-two-new-particles-smashing-protons-shed-new-light-universe.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
Share wrote: ** dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! On 11/20/2014 7:15 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't resist. Mea culpa. :-) /* /You sound really JELLOS of Jim's success: apparently he has had a rewarding career, raised a family and is able to retire to a nice big house in California and enjoy life, in an enlightened state. In contrast, you seem unenlightened, poor and depressed and envious. You sure don't sound like you've had a very successful career or have a home and a family. I could be wrong about this, but you do seem to be quite angry and disappointed in your current circumstances. What's up with that?/ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
If I were to find out, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there was no God, I'd
probably have a pretty good chuckle and move on. Let it go and take it as it
comes. I might even get a bit philisophical about it and ponder what that
belief did for me along the road to that discovery. All in all... I'd forgive
myself and move on. I guess that's what my belief did for me.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense
of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever.
If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him.
Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass,
thanks. :-) :-) :-)
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can
relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and
accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for
being enlightened.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like,
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any
other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard.
The quote was:
Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless,
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing
could *possibly* be more stupid than that.
But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened.
Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened*
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent
turnips. :-) :-) :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state.
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com If I were to find out, beyond a reasonable
doubt, that there was no God, I'd probably have a pretty good chuckle and move
on. Let it go and take it as it comes. I might even get a bit philisophical
about it and ponder what that belief did for me along the road to that
discovery. All in all... I'd forgive myself and move on. I guess that's what my
belief did for me.
Good for you. It would be easier for me because I skipped that annoying interim
belief step. :-)
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense
of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever.
If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. /It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. // // //Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans are the big customers. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.// // //http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:/* http://images.dailykos.com/images/115495/lightbox/11-9-strip-KOS.png?1415654345
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
On 11/20/2014 3:00 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one?/* */ /* */We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. /* */ /* */If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief. /* /The problem, Barry, isn't a belief or not, in God, but whether or not you are in a state of depression and believe in nothing. This despair can lead to nihilism and even suicide - thinking there is no hope for yourself or for mankind. Try to think positive Barry - human-kind is our best hope for survival in a dangerous, uncertain materialistic world./ /You have to have faith in the goal of enlightenment, or there is no hope for the liberation of man from suffering. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
maybe try skipping the gratuitous slam on occasion (if you want a challenge, that is) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com If I were to find out, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there was no God, I'd probably have a pretty good chuckle and move on. Let it go and take it as it comes. I might even get a bit philisophical about it and ponder what that belief did for me along the road to that discovery. All in all... I'd forgive myself and move on. I guess that's what my belief did for me. Good for you. It would be easier for me because I skipped that annoying interim belief step. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
What were you expecting? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor Funny about Adya, I love his writing. But when he came to FF and spoke in person, I was somewhat disappointed. Maybe he's an introvert by nature... From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment success': 'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that the success rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few were actually getting enlightened. If this were a business, I thought, we'd be bankrupt.' 'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... And when people have breakthroughs and talk about them in public, awakening loses its mystique. Everyone else can see that it's not just special people who have deep awakenings, it's their neighbor or their best friend.' The TMO seemed to do pretty well for a while selling something nobody seems to have found. Perhaps one reason for this is the ideas we have in our heads about what enlightenment is supposed to be. The usual ideas about what enlightenment is, are something out of a comic book, something fantastical. Maybe it is something not quite so interesting to talk about, something so familiar that you discount it entirely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : MJ, speak for yourself! I was never chasing enlightenment. I simply wanted to fulfill my desires. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor And yet from the very beginning of the Movement till about the 1980's enlightenment was what we were all chasing and what Marshy emphasized over and over. Till it became obvious that no one was getting enlightened even with the 10,000 times more powerful than TM TMSP program so he switched to world peace. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor First of all, I'm familiar with spiritual groups who proclaim people enlightened. I didn't always agree with their proclamations! And as mentioned, I know of a group who gives certificates of enlightenment. Maybe they use different criteria than me! I also know people in the TMO who I think are pretty darn enlightened. But of course they don't proclaim themselves as such. The whole thing is such a hodge podge that I simply ignore all the posturing and go by my own sense of a person. And actually, it doesn't matter to me whether or not they're enlightened. There are other qualities that I value more. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] On 11/18/2014 09:17 AM, TurquoiseBeeturquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: Bhairitunoozguru@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On11/18/2014 04:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: It'snot so much a rumor, more ofa sales pitch or claim, butI've always gotten a chucklefrom TM is the fastest pathto enlightenment on theplanet, coming from anorganization that in over 50years has been unable toproduce even a single personthey can point at and say,This person is enlightened,and got that way as a resultof practicing TM. What organizationdoes? Just to make apoint about the kinds ofbullshit humans are willing toaccept, think about the TM salespitch for enlightenment,compared to almost anything elsebeing sold on this planet: -- So, that'syour introductory lecture. Justsign here, pay us your $75, andwe promise you that you will befully enlightened in fiveyears. (Please notethat this actually *happened*with the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
So Bucky, how is the fight against the Heartland Project going? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Buck is being a drama queen again. The video he is pooh-poohing *accomplished its purpose*, with no marches and no posturing in the streets. LEGO, a multi-billion-dollar company, took one look at how its association with Shell was perceived, and canceled that association forever. Greenpeace won, LEGO won, and Shell lost. Buck seems to prefer making a bunch of noise and posturing about things, but accomplishing nothing -- all while claiming to be better than others who actually accomplish things. In other words, the same approach he's always taken to complaining about the TMO. On another level, it is *ludicrous* for a loudmouth like Buck to talk about action. The most he's ever done is bitch on the Internet, while hiding behind a pseudonym. REAL taking action would be talking in plain language (not the flowery blissninny-speak he prefers) in local newspapers and TV stations, under his *real name*, Doug Hamilton. Until that happens, I think we can safely dismiss Buck as just a posturing coward. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur responsetowards action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people torally and improve their way of lives. We all must get back to acarbon footprint of about an 1820 standard of GDC if this green planetis going to continue to host us and our children at all. It is justa matter of science fact. It is quite time that science drivespublic policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced Videos and then someprofessionally written technical excuses by corporate running dogslike this rot that comes in response from Leiden are not much morethan the lackey work of anesthetizing the working masses towardstheir collective graves. It is come a time for a spiritualrevolution for all humanity and for the good of all the life of thewhole planet against all human activity that disrupts our atmosphereand climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a very small elementthat regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just sit byidly in coffee shops on the internet. Jai Guru Dev,-Buck sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this... From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's way to refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way of truck or train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past year involving the movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, spilling the crude, leaving a greater environmental mess to clean up, using tax dollars that could be used more productively. Meanwhile, a female US senator is about to lose her job because her party and President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high paying jobs, so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans in a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and party who don't care how people live but that they just get their vote. An oil glut means greater competition for petroleum dollars. Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and Persians that would use those dollars to do harm. It means cheaper transportation for us and our goods that move about the country and world. It means more money in our pockets to do the things we want to do like buying that new mantra or that extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on more efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot to look like we *care*. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least makes hugely expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less profitable. On the other hand, having so much oil available also decreases the incentives to find alternative fuel sources. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done piece and made its point well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : More Effective Protest? Ha, ha, ha. That video
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit,
I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL,
claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield
and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of
him.
Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass,
thanks. :-) :-) :-)
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can
relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and
accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for
being enlightened.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like,
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any
other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard.
The quote was:
Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless,
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing
could *possibly* be more stupid than that.
But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened.
Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened*
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent
turnips. :-) :-) :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state.
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. BW: And another thing, we need a little more pro-active PR around here. You know, the usual double-talk, gobbledy-gook, and so forth...Its only opinion, but I go rabid, Enlightenment doesn't exist, and you can't have it!...They are ALL morons, and I can't stay away...same 'ol, same 'ol... How did things GET to this state!!?? I USED TO BE A BIG FUCKING DEAL AROUND HERE!! CAPICE?? BS: Yes, sir. Anything else, sir? BW: Just shut up and bring me another drink. A double. BS: Yes, sir. Good morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
There is no evidence for there being any multiverses
That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Re The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this
theory to support their idea that there is no God.:
There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of
faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in
whatever is unfolding.
There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom
running on a quantum computer.
I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more,
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just
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Re: [FairfieldLife] When Worlds Collide....
Oh this is excellent - thanks for posting this Sal - I bet this guy will want
to create a mission there in Denmark to save these soulless sinners.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] When Worlds Collide
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) :-) :-) The question (for you) is, WHY? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that the
Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 41 signed, making it
law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law without congressional(the peoples
representatives) approval or oversite. He's doing something, he said
repeatedly, that he couldn't do by virtue of our constitution. No, the border
can't be sealed 100% but it can be made so frustrating to get through that few
would even bother to try. A border fence(physical) along with an electronic
*fence*(motion detectors) with a rapid response team for pick up and removal to
a *Joe Arpiao-esq* prison would discourage all but the hardcorp. E-verify would
leave employers and renters, no excuses for hiring the undocumented or renting
them homes, who could then be heavily penalized to the point of losing their
business license. No more anchor babies, federal or state benefits and heavy
taxing of one way money transfers to individuals south of the border of less
than a thousand dollars. You would think that even the dumbest would realize
*they don't want me there* unless I go through the legal process.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized
immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It
is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same
thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue.
Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more
pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no
reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the
Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is
that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels -
Americans are the big customers. Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here.
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?)
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands
etc.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is
apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes
(now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for
years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial.
Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and
a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs
- that's the important issue - the people have spoken.
The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers.
Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve
million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.
http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
Its interesting that so many people today who think Marshy was enlightened and who believe that TM can bring one to enlightenment do not seem to accept his very clear definition of enlightenment which he laid out in both his Gita blabber and his so-called Science of Being. They seem to want to find some OTHER definition of enlightenment that suits them better, like these Adyashanti types who seem to define enlightenment as pretty much whatever you want it to mean so they can claim the crown and get followers. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other. Former of light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these. Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed source of creation (a great way to express narcissism too). There are similar passage in the Bhagavad-Gita. If everything, good and bad are integral in existence and are sourced from the same origin or have the same being, and we come to direct knowledge of that, what is to prevent us from being all those qualities that (some) people abhor? Light is the left hand of darknessand darkness the right hand of light.Two are one, life and death, lyingtogether like lovers in kemmer,like hands joined together,like the end and the way. —Ursula K. Le Guin From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
dear Mea Culpa er, my concern is that the Folder Secretary may become a Turq
Groupie (-:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the
afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would
otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect
at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't
resist. Mea culpa. :-)
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard.
The quote was:
Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless,
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing
could *possibly* be more stupid than that.
But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened.
Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened*
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent
turnips. :-) :-) :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state.
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam up, like, wellclams. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
[FairfieldLife] Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
Especially for Sal and Turq!! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) | | | | | | | | | | | ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] The particle zoo grows ever larger!
salyavin, thanks for posting, both the article and the photos blow my mind! And
I admit that I was a little disappointed that the writer didn't mention the God
particle (-:
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The particle zoo grows ever larger!
With some nice pictures. Nature seems to make very nice wallpaper.
Two new particles discovered at Cern by smashing protons together
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proton... The Large Hadron Collider in Geneva has discovered two new
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
On 11/20/2014 7:18 AM, steve.sundur wrote: just another, IDNNS __ /So far today, Barry has posted about Chinese culture, God, Enlightenment, and The Big Bang Theory - all of which he claims to have no interest in. Apparently his only interest is button pushing. // // //I mean, if he has no interest in these topics, why does he keep opening his big pie hole? A cry for attention - just trolling, or is there something else going on in his mind? It's beginning to look like he is even an embarrassment to Xeno and Salya. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me. /* */ /* */For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, everyday life?/* */ /* */Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care? /* */ /* */*By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang (meaning a single beginning of the universe). So I leave speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all. /* */ /* */Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and I find that even less interesting. /* */ /* */I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me terribly much.../*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/20/2014 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: * *I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.* * ** /Is there any way for anyone to prove their own subjective experiences?/ /Why do you suppose Barry feels so threatened by Jim's subjective experiences? / * *I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck* * / I can understand why Barry would be JELLOS of Jim's material situation, but why or how could anyone be envious of another person's subjective state of consciousness? Go figure. / */turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened./* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about belief. Heck, if we didn't
have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For
example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I
believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they
will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience
also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what
we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER
it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our
nervous system.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com If I were to find out, beyond a reasonable
doubt, that there was no God, I'd probably have a pretty good chuckle and move
on. Let it go and take it as it comes. I might even get a bit philisophical
about it and ponder what that belief did for me along the road to that
discovery. All in all... I'd forgive myself and move on. I guess that's what my
belief did for me.
Good for you. It would be easier for me because I skipped that annoying interim
belief step. :-)
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense
of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever.
If your answer to the question is Yes, it seems to me that your faith in God
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
Richard, wrt Mexico being on the verge of being run by the drug cartels, forget
the verge! That ship has sailed! imho
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized
immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It
is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same
thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue.
Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more
pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no
reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the
Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is
that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels -
Americans are the big customers. Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here.
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?)
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands
etc.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is
apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes
(now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for
years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial.
Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and
a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs -
that's the important issue - the people have spoken.
The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers.
Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve
million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.
http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Cave Boy from Leiden, was Most Absurd Rumor
like
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cave Boy from Leiden, was Most Absurd Rumor
On 11/19/2014 7:22 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
seriously, people get locked into all the past pictures of enlightened
teachers, and even Maharishi was not exactly a slacks and polo type of guy.
And the religions have fucked up the image for good, insisting that solely
doing good works (according to them), keeping in line, reading surface
prayers, and mouthing platitudes about helping the poor and being nice,
will lead to our salvation. So it is a lot of context for us to overcome, to
truly gain our freedom, our inner silence, and continue to be ourselves -
even though that is the simple end result of enlightenment - fully being
ourselves.
It's like a Zen koan, Jim - we are all enlightened at birth, but we don't
realize it. Then, due to our environment and culture we get saddled with
conceptions, thoughts and assumptions by the time we are teenagers. If we
could remain as innocent as little babies, we would all be happy everyday,
almost all the time, just enjoying the bliss consciousness.
The question is: why do we have to strive so hard just to come back to our
original condition?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
that is funny Jim. a very simple, yet relevant observation.
yes, Barry has embarked on the path that has enlightenment as it's
conclusion, but just can't handle that someone may have reached the goal.
maybe along the lines, if I can't have it, no one can.
really, a childish attitude, indicating one might be stuck in a early stage
of development.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
like From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor On 11/19/2014 10:45 AM, Share Long wrote: The nutshell about behavior and enlightenement is this: basically in the Gita, God is telling a man to kill, but to do so established in Being. If it's ok to kill established in Being, then logically any action would be ok if the doer is established in Being. Actually it's much simpler than that, Share. We should all be established in Being no matter what we do, and then act. The point of the Gita is that you or I do not actually do anything at all - it is the gunas born of nature that are acting on each other, that are doing the actions - based on your karma. All you have to do is get established in Being and do your duty. It's not complicated. No wonder the CIA checked out the TMO! It's pretty revolutionary stuff if one gets the nitty gritty of it. Also there's a place in his Commentary where Maharishi explains that eventually one also has to become unattached to positivity. IMO, another great thought stopper! On Kohlberg's moral reasoning scale, TMers scored in the more developed category, which is morality unlimited by traditional religious rules. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other. Former of light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
like From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor On 11/19/2014 7:39 AM, steve.sundur wrote: yes, cognitive dissonance once we realize that the enlightened state does have all the outer attributes we associate with it. We are all in a state of cognitive dissonance simply because the world is not exactly as it appears - we don't see and sense things as they really are. There is always a transformation as soon as perception takes place and our consciousness actually changes what the senses perceive. Also the fact that we are living in the past - we don't sense things as they are right now - when we sense anything, it has already changed - we never see ahead because the action in the future is yet to be performed. We live in the past - everything we consciously perceive is at least one-third of a second old. I have cognitive dissonance along these lines myself that I am working through, or in the discover phase of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, The Cave Boy from Leiden, raised by wolves, was the first image that came up - lol seriously, people get locked into all the past pictures of enlightened teachers, and even Maharishi was not exactly a slacks and polo type of guy. And the religions have fucked up the image for good, insisting that solely doing good works (according to them), keeping in line, reading surface prayers, and mouthing platitudes about helping the poor and being nice, will lead to our salvation. So it is a lot of context for us to overcome, to truly gain our freedom, our inner silence, and continue to be ourselves - even though that is the simple end result of enlightenment - fully being ourselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : that is funny Jim. a very simple, yet relevant observation. yes, Barry has embarked on the path that has enlightenment as it's conclusion, but just can't handle that someone may have reached the goal. maybe along the lines, if I can't have it, no one can. really, a childish attitude, indicating one might be stuck in a early stage of development. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : 'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... An excellent insight. I enjoy Adyashanti's clarity. He also comes from a town in the Bay Area that I am very familiar with, so it gives me an insight into his temperament. This is exactly why I talk about enlightenment - It is possible, and even likely, to realize enlightenment, using the TM and TMSP techniques, and not just by saintly folks, but by ordinary schlubs, like me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment success': 'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that the success rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few were actually getting enlightened. If this were a business, I thought, we'd be bankrupt.' 'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... And when people have breakthroughs and talk about them in public, awakening loses its mystique. Everyone else can see that it's not just special people who have deep awakenings, it's their neighbor or their best friend.' The TMO seemed to do pretty well for a while selling something nobody seems to have found. Perhaps one reason for this is the ideas we have in our heads about what enlightenment is supposed to be. The usual ideas about what enlightenment is, are something out of a comic book, something fantastical. Maybe it is something not quite so interesting to talk about, something so familiar that you discount it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam up, like, wellclams. /It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in public. Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing anyone can DO to get into the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose it very early on due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can really do is try to provide for themselves the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn. //Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to be done. All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that we are only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way too late for us to complain that others have more than we do. We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People
like From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People On 11/19/2014 9:40 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The 8th habit is to deny they are unhappy and claim they are happy cuz of TM You are not even making any sense. Nobody I know says they are both unhappy and happy, at the same time. That would be a case of cognitive dissonance. Actually the first habit of chronically unhappy people is they don't take responsibility for their own actions and accept that they are the cause of their own unhappiness. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People | | | || | 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People Throughout the years, I've learned there are certain traits and habits chronically unhappy people seem to have mastered. But before diving in ...| | | View on www.huffingtonpost.com |Preview by Yahoo| | | I often teach about happiness and what has become exceedingly clear is this: There are seven qualities chronically unhappy people have mastered. According to Psychology Today, University of California researcher Sonja Lyubomirsky states: 40 percent of our of our capacity for happiness is within our power to change. If this is true and it is, there's hope for us all. There are billions of people on our planet and clearly some are truly happy. The rest of us bounce back and forth between happiness and unhappiness depending on the day. Throughout the years, I've learned there are certain traits and habits chronically unhappy people seem to have mastered. But before diving in with you, let me preface this and say: we all have bad days, even weeks when we fall down in all seven areas. The difference between a happy and unhappy life is how often and how long we stay there. Here are the 7 qualities of chronically unhappy people. 1. Your default belief is that life is hard. Happy people know life can be hard and tend to bounce through hard times with an attitude of curiosity versus victimhood. They take responsibility for how they got themselves into a mess, and focus on getting themselves out of it as soon as possible. Perseverance towards problem versus complaining over circumstances is a symptom of a happy person. Unhappy people see themselves as victims of life and stay stuck in the look what happened to me attitude versus finding a way through and out the other side. 2. You believe most people can't be trusted. I won't argue that healthy discernment is important, but most happy people are trusting of their fellow man. They believe in the good in people, versus assuming everyone is out to get them. Generally open and friendly towards people they meet, happy people foster a sense of community around themselves and meet new people with an open heart. Unhappy people are distrustful of most people they meet and assume that strangers can't be trusted. Unfortunately this behavior slowly starts to close the door on any connection outside of an inner-circle and thwarts all chances of meeting new friends. 3. You concentrate on what's wrong in this world versus what's right. There's plenty wrong with this world, no arguments here, yet unhappy people turn a blind eye to what's actually right in this world and instead focus on what's wrong. You can spot them a mile away, they'll be the ones complaining and responding to any positive attributes of our world with yeah but. Happy people are aware of global issues, but balance their concern with also seeing what's right. I like to call this keeping both eyes open. Unhappy people tend to close one eye towards anything good in this world in fear they might be distracted from what's wrong. Happy people keep it in perspective. They know our world has problems and they also keep an eye on what's right. 4. You compare yourself to others and harbor jealousy. Unhappy people believe someone else's good fortune steals from their own. They believe there's not enough goodness to go around and constantly compare yours against theirs. This leads to jealousy and resentment. Happy people know that your good luck and circumstance are merely signs of what they too can aspire to achieve. Happy people believe they carry a unique blueprint that can't be duplicated or stolen from -- by anyone on the planet. They believe in unlimited possibilities and don't get bogged down by thinking one person's good fortune limits their possible outcome in life. 5.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. I just don't believe that you guys exist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote: I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about belief. Heck, if we didn't have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our nervous system. /Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the curvature of the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of others that the earth is spherical in shape. There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very little when we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know from our teachers.//The question is: what are the valid means of knowledge?// // / * /Sense perception/ * /Inference./ * /Verbal testimony/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
Nice, Richard, thanks, makes me realize that probably most of us theists are
using inference and verbal testimony.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote:
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about belief. Heck, if we didn't
have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For
example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I
believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they
will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience
also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what
we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER
it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our
nervous system.
Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the curvature of
the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of others that the earth
is spherical in shape.
There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very little when
we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know from our teachers. The
question is: what are the valid means of knowledge?
- Sense perception
- Inference.
- Verbal testimony
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Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
On 11/20/2014 9:33 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: dear Mea Culpa er, my concern is that the Folder Secretary may become a Turq Groupie (-: /The real question is does anyone on this list still take Barry seriously? Or, does he just cause some minor amusement? The ONLY respondents that seem to think he is relevant to the conversation is MJ. Even Xeno and Curtis don't seem to want to take up for him anymore because he is so confused in his ideas.// // // Barry has done a pretty good job of alienating everyone on this forum. It looks like he is being driven by pure ego now. Judy called him a poseur. Go figure./ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:15 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! */It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't resist. Mea culpa. :-) /* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I barely made it out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by myself (a couple of months, at least). I like life infinitely better, now. Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply. Just as there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of life, so it is with enlightenment, also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam up, like, wellclams. It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in public. Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to do is realize our own birthright. There's really nothing anyone can DO to get into the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose it very early on due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can really do is try to provide for themselves the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn. Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to be done. All along we've done the Work as householders, but we know that we are only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way too late for us to complain that others have more than we do. We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
On 11/20/2014 9:59 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, wrt Mexico being on the verge of being run by the drug cartels, forget the verge! That ship has sailed! imho /It's true - Mexico seems to be in a failed state condition with corruption all the way to the top. It was supposed to be a big success with manufacturing and a robust economy with plenty of natural resources and a large work force. It looks like to me that the political leaders opted for the short-term gain at the expense of the log-term gain. Go figure./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. /It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. // // //Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans are the big customers. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.// // //http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:/* http://images.dailykos.com/images/115495/lightbox/11-9-strip-KOS.png?1415654345
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are BS? I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit back and watch the funnier it gets. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!! PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for renovation, 'til 2016 - bummer. Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. : You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't! S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time. I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this: - Why on earth would I want this? - Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in it, God will keep you safe. - Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me back and tell me the best path up the mountain? - Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith to choose the Right Path. - I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh? - About two pounds. And worth every ounce. - No thanks. An interest in God or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, namby-pamby stuff in so-called scriptures that people claim is poetry. If I want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, considering it largely a Waste Of Time. Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. They seem to need the strength in numbers that they find when surrounded by only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have better things to do with my time. To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-) Don't mind bawee, Seraphita, his head still burns from the scorching Edg gave him the other day. He doesn't like it when smarter, much smarter, people than himself dress him down so soundly. That and that picture Jim posted of him is still really, really bugging him. I wonder if bawee's BS will notify him of my post here. Oh yea, bawee doesn't have a BS, he is just full of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
His dog is more enlightened than me, too. In fact, although that dachshund is pretty obedient, the thing that drives Turq nuts, is that no matter how many doggy treats he doles out, or threats he makes, the dog still won't tell Barry his mantra. Sends him through the roof. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are BS? I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit back and watch the funnier it gets. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-) Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
They're just imitating European culture: http://youtu.be/Qsy7kJyizoc On 11/20/2014 01:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed.../* */ /* */This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf//* image http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
Actually no one exists, you're just imagining things. On 11/20/2014 07:33 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Especially for Sal and Turq!! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
On 11/20/2014 9:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Its interesting that so many people today who think Marshy was enlightened and who believe that TM can bring one to enlightenment do not seem to accept his very clear definition of enlightenment which he laid out in both his Gita blabber and his so-called Science of Being. They seem to want to find some OTHER definition of enlightenment that suits them better, like these Adyashanti types who seem to define enlightenment as pretty much whatever you want it to mean so they can claim the crown and get followers. You are welcome to advance your own definition of enlightenment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment/spiritual/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_%28spiritual%29 Anyone that appears to be as happy as MMY was, I would consider to be in a state of enlightenment. He apparently had all of his desires fulfilled many times over. He had the ability to laugh and seemed to really enjoy life - he was a success and he attained his goal. You are confused because, there is in fact no objective enlightenment - it's a subjective experience. To be enlightened means simply to be in a natural state, free from suffering. /Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through perfect discipline of the distinctions between them./ - Patanjali, Yoga Sutras 3.17 *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world. Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies, in your wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment. An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). *Except *for *me, *there *is no Elohim; **I am forearming you, **yet you *do *not know me, **That they may **know, **From *the *rising of *the *sun and from *the *west, **that *there is *no *one *apart
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. I just don't believe that you guys exist. I always suspected that I didn't exist, everything makes more sense if I don't - less physics required you see. The simplest explanation is always the best one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!! PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for renovation, 'til 2016 - bummer. Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want? How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit longer... Samadhi it is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want to confuse the willytex. /I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view. - /TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) :-) :-) The question (for you) is, WHY? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. /* */ /* */Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-)/* *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment **I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck** *//* */*/ /*/* */turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened./* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
/If President Obama goes through with this //executive action on immigration the predictions are that the federal government will be shut down and he will be sued by the Attorney General of the State of Texas. /http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/rick-perry-says-texas-may-sue-obama-over-immigration-action-n252046 On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that the Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 41 signed, making it law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law without congressional(the peoples representatives) approval or oversite. He's doing something, he said repeatedly, that he couldn't do by virtue of our constitution. No, the border can't be sealed 100% but it can be made so frustrating to get through that few would even bother to try. A border fence(physical) along with an electronic *fence*(motion detectors) with a rapid response team for pick up and removal to a *Joe Arpiao-esq* prison would discourage all but the hardcorp. E-verify would leave employers and renters, no excuses for hiring the undocumented or renting them homes, who could then be heavily penalized to the point of losing their business license. No more anchor babies, federal or state benefits and heavy taxing of one way money transfers to individuals south of the border of less than a thousand dollars. You would think that even the dumbest would realize *they don't want me there* unless I go through the legal process. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. /It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. // // //Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans are the big customers. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.// // //http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */And it only takes up the top right corner of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/20/2014 5:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Buck is being a drama queen again. The video he is pooh-poohing *accomplished its purpose*, with no marches and no posturing in the streets. LEGO, a multi-billion-dollar company, took one look at how its association with Shell was perceived, and canceled that association forever. Greenpeace won, LEGO won, and Shell lost. /* /Your own company based in your own country failed against LEGO? You know, Barry, you might not be so envious of Jim and his prosperity if you would just get a job and make some money. It's not a good sign when your enemy is one of your only employers. Speaking of posturing, how is that part-time science writing job working out for you?/ */Buck seems to prefer making a bunch of noise and posturing about things, but accomplishing nothing -- all while claiming to be better than others who actually accomplish things. In other words, the same approach he's always taken to complaining about the TMO. /* */ /* */On another level, it is *ludicrous* for a loudmouth like Buck to talk about action. The most he's ever done is bitch on the Internet, while hiding behind a pseudonym. /* */ /* */REAL taking action would be talking in plain language (not the flowery blissninny-speak he prefers) in local newspapers and TV stations, under his *real name*, Doug Hamilton. Until that happens, I think we can safely dismiss Buck as just a posturing coward. /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/20/2014 4:56 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur response towards action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people to rally and improve their way of lives. We all must get back to a carbon footprint of about an 1820 standard of GDC if this green planet is going to continue to host us and our children at all. /You probably need to take a break from all your idealism, Buck. You do realize that the animals on the farms up there are probably putting put out more methane than a fleet of speeding cars through town. There's a reason there hasn't been a recorded increase in the earth's atmosphere for 18 years, right? I'm not against reducing our carbon foot print, but not at the risk of wrecking the economy. You need to realize that not everyone is as well off as you are, and some people need to make some money so they can feed themselves and their family, and keep a roof over their head. It's no fun being in a recession, being so broke that you can't even afford to drive to a coffee shop to send a message to your internet friends or to LinkedIn./ It is just a matter of science fact. It is quite time that science drives public policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced Videos and then some professionally written technical excuses by corporate running dogs like this rot that comes in response from Leiden are not much more than the lackey work of anesthetizing the working masses towards their collective graves. It is come a time for a spiritual revolution for all humanity and for the good of all the life of the whole planet against all human activity that disrupts our atmosphere and climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a very small element that regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just sit by idly in coffee shops on the internet. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this... *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's way to refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way of truck or train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past year involving the movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, spilling the crude, leaving a greater environmental mess to clean up, using tax dollars that could be used more productively. Meanwhile, a female US senator is about to lose her job because her party and President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high paying jobs, so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans in a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and party who don't care how people live but that they just get their vote. An oil glut means greater competition for petroleum dollars. Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and Persians that would use those dollars to do harm. It means cheaper transportation for us and our goods that move about the country and world. It means more money in our pockets to do the things we want to do like buying that new mantra or that extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on more efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot to look like we *care*. *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least makes hugely expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less profitable. On the other hand, having so much oil available also decreases the incentives to find alternative fuel sources. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done piece and made its point well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : */*/More Effective Protest? Ha, ha, ha. That video is not going to affect GDC [Gross Domestic Consumption] or decrease the emission of heat-trapping gas anywhere except proly increase the gross sales of LEGOS in the first-world this Christmas.-Buck /*/* */*/ /*/* */*/turquoiseb diverts :..create not only more gentle protests, /*but more effective ones, protests that actually work/* Just let'em try to run that stinking global climate changing pipeline across the Global Country of World Peace here! They'll see a real fight then. I could empathize like with Obama in the position of our
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! TurquoiseB wrote: *I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. * * * *I just don't believe that you guys exist. * On 11/20/2014 11:43 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I always suspected that I didn't exist, everything makes more sense if I don't - less physics required you see. The simplest explanation is always the best one /Finally, some truth from these guys! See, it's not really that difficult to be honest. Thanks - it makes everything really clear now. I like what you've posted in this confessional thread - only now I don't think I like your face./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/20/2014 10:32 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I barely made it out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by myself (a couple of months, at least). /The important thing is that you awakened from your slumber - that's what a Buddha does. / I like life infinitely better, now. Yogis enjoy - ascetics suffer. Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply. /You're just trying to confuse us now, Jim - everyone knows that the Absolute is a static state - it's the relative gunas that move around, change and react to the other gunas./ /Two birds sat on a tree; one ate the fruit, the other looked on. - Upanishads/ Just as there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of life, so it is with enlightenment, /That's called skill-in-action - grounded in Being, then act. / also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase. /SBS said that Brahman is the already existent Light - it needs no other light for illumination. //According to Maharishi, TM meditation is NOT the cause of enlightenment - it merely provides the ideal opportunity for transcending./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam up, like, wellclams. /It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in public. Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing anyone can DO to get into the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose it very early on due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can really do is try to provide for themselves the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn. // //Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to be done. All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that we are only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way too late for us to complain that others have more than we do. We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
Had to look up the term punters - do you mean it in the sense of someone who
gambles, is a paying customer or paying customer of a whore?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could
be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!!
PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for renovation, 'til 2016 - bummer. Rumor
has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and they
trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next door,
at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation tanks,
and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously.
Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want?
How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to
rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the
top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money
out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to
create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit
longer... Samadhi it is!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Especially for Sal and Turq!!
OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular
state of unconsciousness.
I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a
yagya on me!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had to look up the term punters - do you mean it in the sense of someone who gambles, is a paying customer or paying customer of a whore? Number 2 for these purposes. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!! PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for renovation, 'til 2016 - bummer. Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want? How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit longer... Samadhi it is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Especially for Sal and Turq!! OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness. I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a yagya on me! ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Web!
This is serious stuff! My deepest prayers go out to Mr. Thruxton, Frampton-upon-Severn, that he continues his critical work. Perhaps nearby birders, and/or knitting circles, could be pressed to the task, of aiding with the e-mail forwarding?? I DO think the price of 300 thousand pounds is a bit steep, especially with crumpets optional... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
And the South will rise again? :-D On 11/20/2014 09:57 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: /If President Obama goes through with this //executive action on immigration the predictions are that the federal government will be shut down and he will be sued by the Attorney General of the State of Texas. /http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/rick-perry-says-texas-may-sue-obama-over-immigration-action-n252046 On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that the Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 41 signed, making it law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law without congressional(the peoples representatives) approval or oversite. He's doing something, he said repeatedly, that he couldn't do by virtue of our constitution. No, the border can't be sealed 100% but it can be made so frustrating to get through that few would even bother to try. A border fence(physical) along with an electronic *fence*(motion detectors) with a rapid response team for pick up and removal to a *Joe Arpiao-esq* prison would discourage all but the hardcorp. E-verify would leave employers and renters, no excuses for hiring the undocumented or renting them homes, who could then be heavily penalized to the point of losing their business license. No more anchor babies, federal or state benefits and heavy taxing of one way money transfers to individuals south of the border of less than a thousand dollars. You would think that even the dumbest would realize *they don't want me there* unless I go through the legal process. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. /It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. // // //Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans are the big customers. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.// // //http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
On 11/20/2014 10:18 AM, Share Long wrote: Nice, Richard, thanks, makes me realize that probably most of us theists are using inference and verbal testimony. /So, there are three valid means of knowledge (epistemology): we see and hear things; we are told or read about things; and other things we infer based on our experience. For example, we sense with our eyes that all things fall down. So, we infer that there is gravitas ///and there is order in the cosmos /. When we are born we know next to nothing, so, we go out and find a teacher - verbal testimony. A//ccording to the ancient Indian tradition, there is another valid means of knowledge: transcendental knowledge - a knowledge that is beyond the senses. Transcendental, not in the Aristotelian view of God as the prime mover, but a non-material self-consciousness that is knowing itself. A cognitive faculty that exists a priori to experience of sense objects. Transcendental knowledge is knowledge that enables our mind to understand and experience objects in the first place. / *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote: I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about belief. Heck, if we didn't have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our nervous system. /Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the curvature of the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of others that the earth is spherical in shape. There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very little when we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know from our teachers.//The question is: what are the valid means of knowledge?// // / * /Sense perception/ * /Inference./ * /Verbal testimony/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
On 11/20/2014 9:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: ...there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place. /Thanks for posting this. You have really contributed a lot to this conversation. Very impressive. Good work. Apparently you are very familiar with this subject, one of the favorite themes in science fiction and fantasy, by some of our greatest writers. You do realize that one of the main supporters of the multiverse hypotheses is Stephen Hawking, right?/// *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ReThe multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this theory to support their idea that there is no God.: There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in whatever is unfolding. There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom running on a quantum computer. I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us. But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just start again. Wouldn't be the first time...
[FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
Hey, Barry You're completely clueless. I've never said anything close to the one you quoted in this thread. You're living in delusion, dude. Perhaps you can learn something from Dubya, as shown here: Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM lol. please rate and comment. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want to confuse the willytex. I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view. - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) :-) :-) The question (for you) is, WHY? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was: Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state. I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-) The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/20/2014 8:57 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? /So, we are taking your word that you took a bus up to IA in the dead of winter, to live in a small pod, and that you learned on the job how to set tables in the campus cafeteria. You do kind of talk the talk, like a bus-boy. / Shit, I screwed up - I should have claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield /You could have been anything when you first got on FFL, but you chose to act like a washed up, old red-neck bigot. Go figure./ and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned. /In your home computer repair business, is there a difference - if it ain't broke, fix it?/
