This was profound and very funny at the same time.Thanks.
Dear Empty Bill,
You are not going to believe this, but in my conversation with the Personal God
tonight, he made a remarkable admission: he told me that you, empty bill, had so
got the better of him with your ironic caricature of him,
Now that line of reasoning could be applied to all perception except that not
all perception is an illusion. There are real shapes out there in the world and
other physical regularities that generate reliable states in the minds of
others. The reason that the status of reality cannot be applied
First of all, on what basis would Pagels have changed his opinion? It is true
Pagels trashed the TM theory of quantum mechanics. This was based on things
Larry Domash had written. As I recall, Domash used the vacuum state of
quantum mechanics as an analogy to explain TM, much in the way
Sam Harris in a blog on consciousness said the following:
The problem, however, is that no evidence for consciousness exists in the
physical world.[6] Physical events are simply mute as to whether it is like
something to be what they are. The only thing in this universe that attests to
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 shanti2218411@ wrote:
Chopra seems to be referring to the notion that observation/ consciousness
collapses the probability wave function which results
Chopra seems to be referring to the notion that observation/ consciousness
collapses the probability wave function which results in one possible
superposition state becoming physically manifest.This is one of a bunch of
theories that attempt to explain the weirdness of quantum mechanics.A
Just a few comments.Whenever I hear the phrase like the real anything I
really(sorry :)) want to ask what exactly the word real means in that
phrase(see below) IOW the answer to what is the real universe? kinda depends
on what you mean and who you are asking.With respect to diabetes, the
Their is no current scientific theory that has testable hypotheses and
that explains the origin of the universe.
The truth is that a lot of theories that are currently being touted
as providing an explanation of the ultimate nature of reality are either not
scientific theories(i.e. cannot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered -
will
and must take over.
It is basically greed,stupidity and
In June of 1970 on a very clear summer night(there was a full moon)
My mother,brother,best friend and I were walking from my mother's house to my
friends car which was parked in front of the house.
As we walked to the car we looked up and saw an enormous perfectly rectangular
object in the
@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 shanti2218411@ wrote:
In June of 1970 on a very clear summer night(there was a full moon)
My mother,brother,best friend and I were walking from my mother's house to
my friends car which was parked in front of the house.
As we walked to the car we looked up and saw
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
It appears that the US is pushing the envelope to make sure that Iran doesn't
close the straight. In other words, the US is willing to pursue a more
aggressive step as was taken in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It all depends on
Von Neumann stated(in Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics) the
following regarding the collapse of the wave function.
The rules of quantum mechanics are correct but there is only one system
which may be treated with quantum mechanics, namely the entire material world.
There
Any attack on Israel that looked like it might succeed would
almost certainly result in a nuclear response by Israel(which is estimated to
have a stockpile of 200-400 warheads)I would think this would give any of
Israel's neighbors serious doubts about how good an idea it would be to attack
Just my two cents(maybe I'm being generous with that estimate :)),
Any discussion of whether god exists or not is invariably problematic
due to the difficulty with defining what the word GOD means.Also it seems to
me that almost any definition that you used would make it virtually impossible
to
Whether or not Troy Davis is guilty is irrelevant
to the question of whether executing a human being
is a legitimate form of punishment.
The justification for the death penalty rests on
a # assumptions which include 1) society has the moral right to
kill human
Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:32 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:
Whether or not Troy Davis is guilty is irrelevant
to the question of whether executing a human being
is a legitimate form of punishment.
The justification for the death penalty rests
MZ,it seems to me all intellectual systems fall short of direct experience in
revealing the TRUTH(e.g Summa Theologiae).Apparently Thomas Aquinas thought so.
The Summa Theologiae, his last and, unfortunately, uncompleted work, deals with
the whole of Catholic theology. He stopped work on it
Ravi very well put.My experience with Amma has been much more limited but like
you while I have not felt ANY need to think of her as GOD
I have been in awe of the love I have experienced in her presence and when I
and my wife and daughter received her hug.
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It has been clearly demonstrated that mental activity can change how the
brain(and other physical organs)function e.g biofeedback and placebo
research.The latter would appear to suggest that mental choices can affect
physical events.In fact a leading researcher on the question of free will and
The majority of people discussing the free will issue are materialists.This
would include the majority of people quoted in the New York Times article.Their
assumption is that everything that exists can be explained completely in terms
of physical matter and the laws that govern physical
Please go to Enlightened Spirituality.org- and see page on neo-advaitin
Ramesh Balsekar.It appears that Mr Balseker rather than cutting through
bullshit(i.e. relative to the meaning of vedanta)
interjected a significant amount of it into his talks about advaita.In addition
he used the
to authorities unless there's some corroborating evidence.
Thx.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@ wrote:
IMHO, their never is adropseparate from the ocean(SELF).
Thedrop never has an actual existence.It is only the result of
the eternal SELF's creation of apparent
IMHO, their never is adropseparate from the ocean(SELF).
Thedrop never has an actual existence.It is only the result of
the eternal SELF's creation of apparent boundaries/forms i.e.individual
beings.The SELF who is writing all the posts on this forum is the same SELF
that exists after the
Rick, just curious about what you know and/or think about Braco?
Kevin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
Awakening Within presents . . .
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I think the main problem with the TMO's use of unified field theory
is ,as I think you pointed out, that there is no empirically supported
unified field theory.In addition even if consciousness is somehow related
to physical reality(something
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
since it would appear that consciousness is a subset, a property of material
existence,
Just a comment, that consciousness can be interpreted to be
a subset, a property of material existence does not mean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
however these weird quantum effects have also been observed or recorded by
machinery, which we presume is not conscious, at least not in any way like us,
and we only find out what the machine recorded
, shanti2218411 kc21d@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
however these weird quantum effects have also been observed or recorded
by machinery, which we presume is not conscious, at least not in any way
like us, and we only find out what the machine
FWIW anxiety is a sx of many different psychological disorders.
The tx of anxiety would largely be based on what the underlying
disorder is.A simple phobia would be treated in much different
fashion than would the anxiety that is associated with a terminal
illness.A considerable
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you
haven't proven the first exist.
The problem with these types of discussions is that they require the people
having the discussion to agree on how to
Everything we call real is made of things we cannot regard as real
Niels Bohr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote:
emptybill:
You forget that the Upanishads were all esoterica
within the teaching of the Brahmana-s and the
Shrauta-s. They
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one
Albert Einstein
Consciousness... is the phenomenon where by the universe's very
existence is made known
Roger Penrose
Every man's world picture is and always remains a construct of his own mind
and cannot be proved to
Thanks for the info.
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I also thought the movie was well done.I thought it made
the point that much of what we do in this life is determined
I also thought the movie was well done.I thought it made the point that
much of what we do in this life is determined by factors which are givens e.g.
our family of origin etc.It also made the point
that it is possible to over come those factors through intense desire and
effort( the matt
FYI, The VA Central Office just communicated that they are asking for
proposals for a meditation based Tx program for PTSD.This appears to indicate
that they believe that there is evidence that meditation will be helpful in
treating PTSD.As I had mentioned in an earlier post, Prolonged
There are several theorists that propose that quantum mechanical processes
affect brain function in non-trivial ways.One example
is Penrose and Hameroff's theory re how quantum entanglement is significant in
the function of microtubules(a component of neurons)
.They further suggest that the
to develop a link between the
physical/objective and the mental/subjective. It's a hard gap to bridge!
--- On Mon, 2/21/11, shanti2218411 kc21d@... wrote:
From: shanti2218411 kc21d@...
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Entanglement and Mantras
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
to hypothesis formulation and research. That is a good thing. You
understand this, but most ru's don't have a clue about scientific thinking
and readily use metaphor as if it's scientific fact. Such as coherent brain
waves produce coherent thinking. WTF?
--- On Mon, 2/21/11, shanti2218411
factors almost
certainly are involved in how meditation affects people.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:48 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:
what we don't know about how the brain relates to the mind is a domain many
orders of magnitude
To me this is one of those discussions which IMHO can't actually be
resolved.People who are awake' will experience reality ,whatever the hell
that is :), as non dual, people who are notawake will experience reality as
separate from the self, I think the mistake
is thinking that one state is
clearly illustrated in
addiction.BTW a book that presents a simple but effective way of working
through resistance is The Myth of Stress' by Andrew Bernstein(sp?).
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:
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I agree.I am a psychologist and after having seen
thousands of clients, I have no doubt that one of the
most fundamental mistakes people make is thinking
reality should be than what it is at this moment.
Denial of what
Cognitive therapy is based on the perspective that what a person is thinking
directly affects their mood and behavior.Tx consists of an attempt to help a
person recognize whether the thought they are having
e.g. my future is hopeless is connected to their depressed mood Through a a
process of
Thanks, shanti. It's good to know that being Awake isn't a prerequisite for
having common sense.
If being awake' was a prerequisite for having common sense
then obviously very few people would have common sense
OTOH maybe being awake is a prerequisite for common sense since
a
One day a man named Joe died and went before the judgment seat
where GOD was seated with the Book of Life.In the book was everything that Joe
had done in his life.As GOD went through the Book he kept shaking his head and
sayingoh Joe have you been bad.GOD said this over and over and until
Paradox; not just mentally paradoxical but innately
unfathomable.
If there are some actual levitators, they are relying on Shakti, which is
relative.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@ wrote:
Krauss makes a good point re Chopra et al, however, ultimately he is just
Krauss makes a good point re Chopra et al, however, ultimately he is just as
clueless as they are,something I'm not sure he understands.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
ยป It
I have always had mixed feelings about Chopra.I first met him in his medical
office in Mass in 1987.He taught me the psycho-physiological(bliss) technique
but I also went a couple of times for health problems.During that period I was
going through some pretty heavy unstressing and he told me
Re Maharishi difficulties with staying celibate and/or not sexually exploiting
female disciples.
A number of other enlightened masters have apparently also had this
problem.This list would include;
Swami Rama
Amrit Desai
Ramesh Balsekar
-Excellent point!Kevin
Hijacked? According to the home page this forum is for discussing
pretty much any topic.
But I happen to think the link I posted here should be interesting to
anyone of a spiritual nature because it demonstrates how desperate
people can be to protect
Thanks new morning that was very very funny.A good way to start
the day!Kevin
While I am sure what they are doing is all good, when reading the
letter I sort of felt like it was a parody of how a new age group
would deal with a sex scandal. Maybe something on SNL. Or a John
Stewart
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Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes up
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Tom T:
Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat
Yuga. Tom T
Kevin shanti2218411 writes
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Yes, it does sound a bit odd, but the problem is that
there is no subjective self or me that any word
points to. So you can say, I'm cold, but there is no
I, there's just cold.
I have not been posting lately but
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I think it can be understood using the concept of
dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a
foundational dharma of
-Actually Adi Da is a pretty good example of someone who is
enlightenedand who acts in a narcissistic anti-social fashion.
This is of course assuming he has actually transcended the expereince
of an individual self.I do agree with the proposition that the basis
of action post enlightenment is the
Just wanted to thanks those of you who gave me input re the promordial
sounds technique.Kevin
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--Having worked at a VA hospital the last 18 yrs I have witnessed a
major change in how the VA operates.Just one example is a state of the
art computer system which blew the the mind of our last Joint
commission survey team.In addition there are constant ongoing
performance improvement
--- Comments below:
Snipe
Benson illustrates via exhaustive case studies and anonymous
examples the power of what has been etc
The book doesn't appear to be about placebo effects of drugs, but
about mind body effects of parayer, meditation and remembering
wellness
And doesn't appear
there are alot of people who are being
prescribed medications that don't need them.Kevin
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One
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One of the most powerful elements of any effective
treatment whether psychiatric or medical is HOPE.The instillation
of hope will frequently
).Kevin
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Nobody can *prove* a negative--Logic 101.
Sal
On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:46 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:
---Sal cite me one reference from a scientific journal,medical or
psychiatric textbook which asserts
to use medication.Kevin
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---Sal cite me one reference from a scientific journal,medical or
psychiatric textbook which asserts that the effect
, at 9:36 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:
--I have provided psychotherapy to hundreds of people with a dx of
some type of depression
I don't care if you've provided it for the entire *planet.* Unless you
have personally experienced the serious effects of depression yourself,
your opinion
of psychotherapy.
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maybe you could cite ONE peer
reviewed medical journal that doesn't as a rule require the use of a
placebo control
wellbutrin has
become the anti-smoking drug Zyban.In any case believing that medical
science is going to end all disease anytime soon is pretty much
delusional.Kevin
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Also I don't think there is anything like universal agreement re
that based on what
I have seen with pts the SRRIs do provide significant therapeutic
effects for manny pts .Kevin
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---Annon I was responding
--I have provided psychotherapy to hundreds of people with a dx of
some type of depression( there are multiple types of depression eg
Major Depressive Disorder,Dysthymia, etc).There are numerous possible
causes for depression eg developmental,biological,enviormental.The
state of the art re
--- I just wanted to add re the benefit vs cost of taking medication
for depression tbat ALL treatments for depression can have a downside
or side effects including psychotherapy.I believe people need to be as
well informed as possible re what the treatment options for depression
are and the
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Anti Kerry people like to argue that the wounds were minor
therefore
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Sorry for responding to a thread that was dropped a couple of days ago
but I was on vocation for two weeks and when I was reading some of the
posts for the last two weeks I felt like I really wanted to resond
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--- shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Actually I think your response makes my point
since for you my
description of my experience of unboundedbess
changingisn't
really real,but really
---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
tries to share their experience they must do so through their
interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that terms
like unboundedness may mean one thing to one person and something else
to another person(even if
expereinces.
Kevin
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---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
tries to share their experience they must do so through
is difficult to
say since any attempt to convey an experience in words is bound to
fall short.Kevin
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--It would be helpful in these discussions for there to be
a common definition for terms being used egreal.When this word is
it may mean something very different from one person to another.
So for me the statement the ego is not real is an absurd
statement thats because of how I
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--It would be helpful in these discussions for there
to be
a common definition for terms being used
egreal.When this word is
it may mean something very different from one
person to another.
So for me
--I think rather than trying todefeatp.t.ie make them look
ridiculous Castaneda was trying to make the point that the petty
tyrants in our life(that is people who have power and abuse it eg
bosses etc)are people from whom we can learn how not to be emotionally
reactive or self important (the
--Vaj,obviously you have no way of knowing what will happen to
meditators who have been witnessing for a prolonged period if they
stop meditating.In my own case which have I have discussed previously
in other posts the practice of TM and TMSP resulted in the awakening
of kundalini(I came to the
Comment below:
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Ego arises out of identification. Consciousness
identifies with the body and the mind to create a
sense of individuality. When this identification is no
longer occuring there is no ownership of
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--- Jeff,what did you do at the mannor?I worked in the MIU Press
mail room with Walter Runyon(sp?)et al,saw that talent show it waa
great!
Kevin
I
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--- Jeff,what did you do at the mannor?I worked in the MIU Press
mail room with Walter Runyon(sp?)et al,saw that talent show it waa
great!
Kevin
I
:
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---I also started in fall of 75 and I also did the work study TTC
phase I in late 75/early 76(can't remember exact dates).It was a great
place while I was there ie indoor pool,food was pretty good and all in
all
--- Jeff,what did you do at the mannor?I worked in the MIU Press
mail room with Walter Runyon(sp?)et al,saw that talent show it waa great!
Kevin
but I entered it in the
oratory contest to be read as a straight poem. I got on stage and
acted really nervous, clearing my throat, bobblling
--Very well said annon.Kevin
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I wonder how many reading FFL can relate experientially to what Guy
Banner had to say about celibacy?
I personally never had such an amazing experience with Maharishi as
Guy described.
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I agree with Sparaig here. That ego is the precise
obstacle to realization. There can not be an ego an
realization
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No mirror, no dust...
No body,no enlightment.
How
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And therein lies the problem. WHO is confounded with
WHAT. WHAT is always an object of pereception, while
WHO is pure consciousness.
Without the WHAT aka body ,form there can be no perception nor any
value for
the one who is enlightened but I think that is as far as it goes.Kevin
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No mirror, no dust...
No body,no enlightment.
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could be described using the
term unstressing.Kevin
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their intentions are.Kevin
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I had a similar exzperience. It was quite a carrot. keeping me
meditating in the mud for years afterwards, seeking a repeat! ha-ha!
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Beautiful unstressing.
What does that mean?
Any thoughts, feelings, images, etc., during TM are *ALWAYS*
unstressing. If you were stress free, you'd be enlightened, and have
no-thought,
I also did not learm them(at)in the order they are listed at this
site,although I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference,
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Get your free advanced techniques here!
http://minet.org/mantras.html
Looks a bit off, though,
--I had a very powerful expereince of shakti during my initiation
(although I had no clue that was what it was at the time)I have no
doubt whatsoever that this would not have been the case had I simply
started using the mantra from a book(or web site).Kevin
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wrote:
--I had a very powerful expereince of shakti during my initiation
(although I had no clue that was what it was at the time)
What did
which would not likely come a book.Kevin
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--As I began to think the mantra silently to myself(during my
initiation) I started to become aware
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