[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
mjackson: wrong again - you discount the idea that the local law enforcement didn't give a shit about Martin because of his color You'll be demonizing everyone in sight between now and the election in 2014! - my step father was a cop in a small Southern town in SC and I know from him the level of prejudice that existed and still exists today in many Southern towns - it happens, don't doubt that. You would be knowing more about this, but: After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show. 'FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist' McClatchey: http://tinyurl.com/owv72yf Yes, I've a lot of sympathy for your point here Ann - but then here in the UK we have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world! You're not even allowed to carry pepper spray as a deterrent as you can in France, for example. The bottom-line in this Zimmerman case is probably that it should never have been a case at all as there was always insufficient evidence to take it to court. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Sorry Jackson, you are the one that is continually wrong here. Justice in a court room is not determined by *ideas* as you suggest, it's determined by facts. There is no evidence that law enforcement didn't care about Martin, especially because of his race. There has to be evidence, enough to convict, in order to prosecute a case. The original investigators came to the conclusion there wasn't enough to charge Zimmerman. Due to political pressure, charges were filed and the trial proved there wasn't anything close to having sufficient evidence for a conviction. Zimmerman now has an excellent case against the state of Florida for an illegal prosecution. Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law says there was incredible prosecutorial misconduct involved as well, which was the attempted withholding of exculpatory evidence by the prosecution. The defense had to prove nothing! The state had to prove guilt. Remember, *innocent until proven guilty*? The defense bent over backward and proved Zimmerman's innocence, something they weren't obligated to do. All the prosecution had were theories and ideas of what *may* have happened. The defense was able to take the key testimony of many, if not most of the prosecution's witnesses, to prove Zimmerman's innocence. Now all you hear on MSNBC et al is how the prosecution blew it. They should have done this or they should have done that. They had nothing to work with! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. wrong again - you discount the idea that the local law enforcement didn't give a shit about Martin because of his color - my step father was a cop in a small Southern town in SC and I know from him the level of prejudice that existed and still exists today in many Southern towns - it happens, don't doubt that. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, I've a lot of sympathy for your point here Ann - but then here in the UK we have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world! You're not even allowed to carry pepper spray as a deterrent as you can in France, for example. The bottom-line in this Zimmerman case is probably that it should never have been a case at all as there was always insufficient evidence to take it to court. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
mjackson74: Maybe Zimmerman will go to Brazil to escape notice and a cow will fall through his roof while he sleeps and justice will be done. But for that to happen he would probably have to have had a past life as a Brahmin in India who disrespected cows in some way. So, for you it's a racial issue. Go figure. 'Did the Department of Justice Stir Up Trayvon Martin Riots?' Powerline: http://tinyurl.com/l4hfz5x Yes, that's what I said! Trayvon on top, pinning Zimmerman to the ground, As Trayvon leaned forward, his shirt was hanging forward. Zimmerman placed the gun against the shirt and fired. The blast burned the shirt but ballistics experts said the shirt was 2-4 inches away from Trayvon's skin, indicating that Trayvon was leaning forward while pinning Zimmerman down on the ground, This is consistent with Zimmerman;s account and eye witness accounts that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. The *analysts* on MSNBC would have you believe that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and just shot him for no reason at all other than he was black and that Trayvon did nothing to provoke the shooting. Every shred of evidence, including eye witness testimony, indicated Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, pinned him to the ground and was pummeling him with fists and banging his head against the side walk. So why would Trayvon be yelling for help? It was Zimmerman getting the ass whooping. The only injury on Trayon's body, other than the gun shot wound, were bruised knuckles indicating that he was hitting Zimmerman who had multiple bruises over his body, particularly to his head. Zimmerman had every moral and legal right to draw his gun and fire to prevent his death or further bodily injury. The next pounding could have been the one that killed or caused severe brain injury. MSNBC and other so called news agencies should be ashamed of themselves how they have portrayed this event. As I have said earlier, they weren't interested in reporting the news but rather getting a racial dialog going about how unfair it is to be black in America and if they have to throw someone under the bus to advance that story, so be it. The media advanced a story to rile people up, but it was a lie. The truth, the best we'll ever know, came out in the trial. This story was also intended to advance gun control laws and repeal stand your ground laws. All liberal causes, and they lied. I guess the end justifies the means, to some. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  that's not what ZImmerman said, he said clearly that Martin was ON TOP of him, straddling him, meaning SITTING on him, he did not say LEANING over him - if you are gonna make a hero out of a murderer, at least quote him accurately From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  Did I say differently? The evidence shows and Zimmerman said he shot Trayvon while he was on top of him. The evidence showed the gun was touching Trayvon's shirt which was hanging two to four inches away from his body, indicating Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman. What I said below was to see if your cloths don;t shift while rolling around on the ground. Stand up to see how much they have shifted. I never said Zimmerman stood up then shot Trayvon. You see, you're grasping at straws again. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  you are still an idiot - Zimmerman said he drew WHILE he was on the ground, with Martin still on top of him From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  It's quite simple Michael, neither one of us were there but you could use your imagination if you really wanted the truth. There was a struggle on the ground and Zimmerman squirmed around trying to get out from under Martin and get his head off of the pavement. It's very easy to imagine not only his clothing but also the holster shifting to to his right, especially if his cloths were lose fitting. Try it, organize your clothing in a straight line, lay on the ground and roll around as if you were fighting for your life . Then stand up and see if your cloths are still organized as neat and straight as they were before. Your reasons for Martin not being able to go for the gun or Zimmerman not being able to get
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Re if it's all Self why not be totally wild and out of control and provocative?: Why not? No reason whatsoever! The trick, of course, is to be able to do it with style - like the inimitable Aleister Crowley - and not get so carried away that you completely blow it - like Charles Manson. (To be fair to Charlie he had the shittiest start in life imaginable; while Crowley was able to cultivate his image thanks to a huge inheritance. I should be so lucky.) Of course, if it's all Self - and it is - why not be bookish, disciplined and discrete - if that appeals to you more? The only rule is that there are no rules. In Eternity the Archangel Gabriel isn't holding an emerald tablet with a list of dos and don'ts we have to abide by. That's what makes the ride so scary. On a footnote: if anything goes, then does it make sense to say in the Declaration of Independence: we hold these truths to be self-evident? If they're self-evident then why didn't bright spark Aristotle include them in his Politics? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Yep I'm opposite of the Seraphita, Xeno pseudo-Eastern, neo-advaita, Buddhist types - if it's all Self why not be totally wild and out of control and provocative?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Oh god Seraphita please stop fucking boring me to death. Xeno's available, he really digs this kind of shit - why don't you go together - he is an intellectual masturbator like you as well and you can both both come together, if at all it's possible in this context? and compare your meagre, bookish, disciplined and discrete cum's whatever the fuck that means LOL.. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Re if it's all Self why not be totally wild and out of control and provocative?: Why not? No reason whatsoever! The trick, of course, is to be able to do it with style - like the inimitable Aleister Crowley - and not get so carried away that you completely blow it - like Charles Manson. (To be fair to Charlie he had the shittiest start in life imaginable; while Crowley was able to cultivate his image thanks to a huge inheritance. I should be so lucky.) Of course, if it's all Self - and it is - why not be bookish, disciplined and discrete - if that appeals to you more? The only rule is that there are no rules. In Eternity the Archangel Gabriel isn't holding an emerald tablet with a list of dos and don'ts we have to abide by. That's what makes the ride so scary. On a footnote: if anything goes, then does it make sense to say in the Declaration of Independence: we hold these truths to be self-evident? If they're self-evident then why didn't bright spark Aristotle include them in his *Politics*? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Yep I'm opposite of the Seraphita, Xeno pseudo-Eastern, neo-advaita, Buddhist types - if it's all Self why not be totally wild and out of control and provocative?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
you are obviously an idiot as are plenty of people who carry weapons without the knowledge of how to use them Zimmerman was a wana-be cop who was too lazy to actually become one and preferred to zoom around in his housing area PLAYING cop - had he stayed in his car instead of trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. Most of the people who think like you do don't give a sit about Martin because they think of him as a nigger, plain and simple. If anyone distorted the facts it was Zimmerman and his defense team, Martin was breaking no laws and had every right to be where he was, harming no one. Zimmerman had a history of looking for trouble, constantly calling the cops, real cops mind you, about suspicious characters in his area - he went looking for trouble and he created the trouble. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, Trayvon might be alive today. and Zimmerman might be dead. Zimmerman was found not guilty by reason of *self defense*. Zimmerman never broke any law. Trayvon broke the law the moment he assaulted Zimmerman. For you to say Zimmerman didn't know how or when to use a firearm is irresponsible. I would assume in Florida, as in Texas, he had a permit to carry, which is given only after receiving training, which would include use and legality of when it could be used. The Sanford police department chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of the circumstances and the law. Political pressure was applied until charges were brought and a million dollars thrown down the drain. The media lied about the facts, building false hopes of *justice*. MSNBC would have you think Zimmerman tracked, hunted down and shot, in cold blood, a poor innocent teenager simply because he was black and looked out of place. The young man that is dead is dead because of his own poor decisions. If Trayvon had to confront Zimmerman, all he needed to do is ask Why are you following me? He could have explained that he was a guest visiting his father and future step- mother and he was staying at the specific address he was at. That would have defused the whole situation. Simple communications. Instead, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, who took a lot before using deadly force to stop it. I think Trayvon may have had marijuana induced paranoia. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. there are a lot of stupid mother fuckers out there with guns who don't know how to use them responsibly and Zimmerman is one of them - if he hadn't been trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. As someone who has used .22's, .38's, .357 Magnums and has fired my brothers SKS and his model 1894 Winchester (and others) I say that ownership of firearms here in the US is an unfortunate necessity for many, but one should know when and how to use them. I do. Zimmerman doesn't and a young man is dead because of Zimmerman's stupidity. He should be in jail tonight. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. He stopped and said OK and lost sight of Trayvon. He then walked down a walk way to get an address to give dispatch so police would know the exact location. On his way back to his car, Trayvon jumped out and asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no, I don't have a problem and Trayvon said now you do and sucker punched him in the nose, knocking him to the ground, jumping on him and pinning him down, pounding Zimmerman with his fists and banging his head on concrete. The evidence is in Zimmerman's injuries to his face, back of his head, grass and water on his back and eyewitnesses who saw Trayvon on top of him. The media has been less than honest with this case and has tried to deceive people early on. NBC was even caught editing 911 calls to make Zimmerman look as if he were racially profiling. He looks black was only said AFTER 911 dispatch had asked for the race of the suspect. Before that, Zimmerman had not mentioned race in his call to 911. As I've said earlier, this was meant to start the *great race dialog* the nation was supposed to have, the one that was intended with Louis Gates. Remember when the President said I don't know
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: (snip) I think Trayvon may have had marijuana induced paranoia. When he only had 1.5 ng/ml of THC in his system? Don't you think that's rather a stretch? Did you ever even wonder whether he had had enough to make him paranoid? Have you ever smoked pot? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/opinion/reefer-madness-an-unfortunate-redux.html http://tinyurl.com/pjez27r
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
mjackson: Oh and by the way, stupid people generally don't learn well, if at all. It won't be long till Zimmerman is in trouble with the law again. Wait and see. Don't you just hate those stupid women jurors! Today Judicial Watch released a set of documents that it obtained from multiple government sources relating to the role of the Department of Justice in demonstrations relating to the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case. 'Did the Department of Justice Stir Up Trayvon Martin Riots?' Powerline: http://tinyurl.com/l4hfz5x
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Oh yes Judy, I've smoked pot in the past. I'd have to say that there were times when I felt a little paranoid while stoned. Fortunately, it was something to laugh about latter, a part of the stoner experience. I'm not qualified to tell you what concentrations it would take to induce any effects at all.So, why did Trayvon approach Zimmerman? Was it out of fear, paranoia (why is that creepy-ass cracker following me) or was it out of anger? Maybe a little of both? Maybe a lot of both. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: (snip) I think Trayvon may have had marijuana induced paranoia. When he only had 1.5 ng/ml of THC in his system? Don't you think that's rather a stretch? Did you ever even wonder whether he had had enough to make him paranoid? Have you ever smoked pot? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/opinion/reefer-madness-an-unfortunate-redux.html http://tinyurl.com/pjez27r
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Oh yes Judy, I've smoked pot in the past. I'd have to say that there were times when I felt a little paranoid while stoned. Fortunately, it was something to laugh about latter, a part of the stoner experience. I'm not qualified to tell you what concentrations it would take to induce any effects at all. Right. Did you notice that I posted a link? You might want to check it out and then think about the integrity of the folks who were painting Martin as having been under the influence. So, why did Trayvon approach Zimmerman? Was it out of fear, paranoia (why is that creepy-ass cracker following me) or was it out of anger? Maybe a little of both? Maybe a lot of both. Looks like we'll never know, because Zimmerman killed him. All we can say is that if it was paranoia, it wasn't due to marijuana. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: (snip) I think Trayvon may have had marijuana induced paranoia. When he only had 1.5 ng/ml of THC in his system? Don't you think that's rather a stretch? Did you ever even wonder whether he had had enough to make him paranoid? Have you ever smoked pot? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/opinion/reefer-madness-an-unfortunate-redux.html http://tinyurl.com/pjez27r
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: This guy is just your average, stupid, run of the mill racist. Why so impressed, or have you successfully hidden your glue sniffing habit from us? Wow, you guys really do play the race card as a knee-jerk response, don't you? Steyn is neither stupid nor average: even his detractors have had to admit his flair for controversy. He's also a fine champion for freedom of speech and has stood shoulder-to-shoulder with those whose lives are under constant threat of assassination because of their un-PC views. Don't you agree that even dumb asses like you should be able to express your ill-considered opinions without fear of assault? (I leave glue sniffing to the plebs - I deserve Class A drugs.) The one guy had a gun. The other guy didn't. Are we done yet? Lucky for him he had a gun or he'd be six feet under today.Yes, we are done. Not Guilty was the right call. Of course Zimmerman will never be able to live a normal life now so that should be some consolation to you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Seraphita... racist, sexist, bigot. homophobe is a standard insult hurled to keep you under *control*, put you in your place. The same way the *n* word was used to keep black people in *their* place. It's intended to remind you of who you are and that makes you less. Wear it as a badge of honor because you've reduced the caller to a lower denominator. George Zimmerman will always be a *marked* man but he could also become a very wealthy man in the near future. Florida has strong laws against being charged with a crime without the evidence to support a conviction. That is why he wasn't charged in the first place. He has an excellent case against the state of Florida. He also has a strong case against NBC for editing his 911 call that made him look like he brought up the issue of *race* in his call. The idea, to make Zimmerman look as if he was a racist. That would show malice, strengthening a man slaughter case. Florida and NBC will probably want to settle out of court, making Zimmerman very wealthy and able to live anywhere he wants. Meanwhile, Al Sharpton will probably lose his show for genning this up in the first place. Is that two strikes for Al? Tawana Brawley and Trayvon or was that three? Don't remember if he was involved in the Duke la cross fiasco. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: This guy is just your average, stupid, run of the mill racist. Why so impressed, or have you successfully hidden your glue sniffing habit from us? Wow, you guys really do play the race card as a knee-jerk response, don't you? Steyn is neither stupid nor average: even his detractors have had to admit his flair for controversy. He's also a fine champion for freedom of speech and has stood shoulder-to-shoulder with those whose lives are under constant threat of assassination because of their un-PC views. Don't you agree that even dumb asses like you should be able to express your ill-considered opinions without fear of assault? (I leave glue sniffing to the plebs - I deserve Class A drugs.) The one guy had a gun. The other guy didn't. Are we done yet? Lucky for him he had a gun or he'd be six feet under today. Yes, we are done. Not Guilty was the right call. Of course Zimmerman will never be able to live a normal life now so that should be some consolation to you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind of fun orchestrating the keen sense of smell of the dog and the eye site and speed of the falcon. More ranchers and farms are willing to let you hunt on their land under those circumstances. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you are obviously an idiot as are plenty of people who carry weapons without the knowledge of how to use themZimmerman was a wana-be cop who was too lazy to actually become one and preferred to zoom around in his housing area PLAYING cop - had he stayed in his car instead of trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. Most of the people who think like you do don't give a sit about Martin because they think of him as a nigger, plain and simple.If anyone distorted the facts it was Zimmerman and his defense team, Martin was breaking no laws and had every right to be where he was, harming no one. Zimmerman had a history of looking for trouble, constantly calling the cops, real cops mind you, about suspicious characters in his area - he went looking for trouble and he created the trouble. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, Trayvon might be alive today. and Zimmerman might be dead. Zimmerman was found not guilty by reason of *self defense*. Zimmerman never broke any law. Trayvon broke the law the moment he assaulted Zimmerman. For you to say Zimmerman didn't know how or when to use a firearm is irresponsible. I would assume in Florida, as in Texas, he had a permit to carry, which is given only after receiving training, which would include use and legality of when it could be used. The Sanford police department chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of the circumstances and the law. Political pressure was applied until charges were brought and a million dollars thrown down the drain. The media lied about the facts, building false hopes of *justice*. MSNBC would have you think Zimmerman tracked, hunted down and shot, in cold blood, a poor innocent teenager simply because he was black and looked out of place. The young man that is dead is dead because of his own poor decisions. If Trayvon had to confront Zimmerman, all he needed to do is ask Why are you following me? He could have explained that he was a guest visiting his father and future step- mother and he was staying at the specific address he was at. That would have defused the whole situation. Simple communications. Instead, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, who took a lot before using deadly force to stop it. I think Trayvon may have had marijuana induced paranoia. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. there are a lot of stupid mother fuckers out there with guns who don't know how to use them responsibly and Zimmerman is one of them - if he hadn't been trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. As someone who has used .22's, .38's, .357 Magnums and has fired my brothers SKS and his model 1894 Winchester (and others) I say that ownership of firearms here in the US is an unfortunate necessity for many, but one should know when and how to use them. I do. Zimmerman doesn't and a young man is dead because of Zimmerman's stupidity. He should be in jail tonight. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
P.S. Michael, I didn't address the *most people who think like you* issue. To me, Trayvon was a *hot headed* kid that made a real big mistake. Kind of stupid to attack people these days, especially with so many *right to carry* permits granted in so many states. That is what those permits are intended for, to protect yourself against assault with intent to kill or do great bodily harm. One more slam of Zimmerman's head against concrete could have killed or caused brain damage. He had every moral right to draw his weapon and use it at that point.As I believe Judy mentioned earlier, nobody is a winner here, but Zimmerman did walk away with his life on Feb 26, 2012 and his freedom last night. His life will be affected till he dies and Trayvon's parents will have to live with burying their child, something no parent should have to do. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind of fun orchestrating the keen sense of smell of the dog and the eye site and speed of the falcon. More ranchers and farms are willing to let you hunt on their land under those circumstances. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you are obviously an idiot as are plenty of people who carry weapons without the knowledge of how to use them Zimmerman was a wana-be cop who was too lazy to actually become one and preferred to zoom around in his housing area PLAYING cop - had he stayed in his car instead of trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. Most of the people who think like you do don't give a sit about Martin because they think of him as a nigger, plain and simple. If anyone distorted the facts it was Zimmerman and his defense team, Martin was breaking no laws and had every right to be where he was, harming no one. Zimmerman had a history of looking for trouble, constantly calling the cops, real cops mind you, about suspicious characters in his area - he went looking for trouble and he created the trouble. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, Trayvon might be alive today. and Zimmerman might be dead. Zimmerman was found not guilty by reason of *self defense*. Zimmerman never broke any law. Trayvon broke the law the moment he assaulted Zimmerman. For you to say Zimmerman didn't know how or when to use a firearm is irresponsible. I would assume in Florida, as in Texas, he had a permit to carry, which is given only after receiving training, which would include use and legality of when it could be used. The Sanford police department chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of the circumstances and the law. Political pressure was applied until charges were brought and a million dollars thrown down the drain. The media lied about the facts, building false hopes of *justice*. MSNBC would have you think Zimmerman tracked, hunted down and shot, in cold blood, a poor innocent teenager simply because he was black and looked out of place. The young man that is dead is dead because of his own poor decisions. If Trayvon had to confront Zimmerman, all he needed to do is ask Why are you following me? He could have explained that he was a guest visiting his father and future step- mother and he was staying at the specific address he was at. That would have defused the whole situation. Simple communications. Instead, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, who took a lot
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
you have no real world knowledge - how could Zimmerman have drawn his weapon which was in a IWB (inner waistband holster) that he claimed was either on his right hip, or actually BEHIND his back (he waffled on the placement of the gun in his waistband) - even if on his right hip, with Martin on him, straddling his body Zimmerman's hands would have been blocked from access to the weapon and how the hell could Martin have seen a black gun in a black IWB on a dark rainy night when the weapon was not in his field of vision if he had HIS hands over Zimmerman's face. Its a matter of placement of each person's body and the limitations of the physical body. Zimmerman obviously lied as to who was where - no way Martin could even have seen the gun, much less grabbed for it under those circumstances, nor could Zimmerman have drawn the weapon under the circumstances Zimmerman described. He lied and that's it. But you won't believe it because of the dead boy's color. And for that matter, had Martin been white, Zimmerman would never have gone after him. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind of fun orchestrating the keen sense of smell of the dog and the eye site and speed of the falcon. More ranchers and farms are willing to let you hunt on their land under those circumstances. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you are obviously an idiot as are plenty of people who carry weapons without the knowledge of how to use them Zimmerman was a wana-be cop who was too lazy to actually become one and preferred to zoom around in his housing area PLAYING cop - had he stayed in his car instead of trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. Most of the people who think like you do don't give a sit about Martin because they think of him as a nigger, plain and simple. If anyone distorted the facts it was Zimmerman and his defense team, Martin was breaking no laws and had every right to be where he was, harming no one. Zimmerman had a history of looking for trouble, constantly calling the cops, real cops mind you, about suspicious characters in his area - he went looking for trouble and he created the trouble. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, Trayvon might be alive today. and Zimmerman might be dead. Zimmerman was found not guilty by reason of *self defense*. Zimmerman never broke any law. Trayvon broke the law the moment he assaulted Zimmerman. For you to say Zimmerman didn't know how or when to use a firearm is irresponsible. I would assume in Florida, as in Texas, he had a permit to carry, which is given only after receiving training, which would include use and legality of when it could be used. The Sanford police department chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of the circumstances and the law. Political pressure was applied until charges were brought and a million dollars thrown down the drain. The media lied about the facts, building false hopes of *justice*. MSNBC would have you think Zimmerman tracked, hunted down and shot, in cold blood, a poor innocent teenager simply because he was black and looked out of place. The young man that is dead is dead because of his own poor decisions. If Trayvon had to confront Zimmerman, all he needed to do is ask Why are you following me? He could
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
you have only Zimmerman's word that he was attacked and his account of the incident is not credible for the reason's already described. As to Zimmerman's so -called injuries, I have been hurt worse getting scratched by my cat. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. P.S. Michael, I didn't address the *most people who think like you* issue. To me, Trayvon was a *hot headed* kid that made a real big mistake. Kind of stupid to attack people these days, especially with so many *right to carry* permits granted in so many states. That is what those permits are intended for, to protect yourself against assault with intent to kill or do great bodily harm. One more slam of Zimmerman's head against concrete could have killed or caused brain damage. He had every moral right to draw his weapon and use it at that point.As I believe Judy mentioned earlier, nobody is a winner here, but Zimmerman did walk away with his life on Feb 26, 2012 and his freedom last night. His life will be affected till he dies and Trayvon's parents will have to live with burying their child, something no parent should have to do. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind of fun orchestrating the keen sense of smell of the dog and the eye site and speed of the falcon. More ranchers and farms are willing to let you hunt on their land under those circumstances. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you are obviously an idiot as are plenty of people who carry weapons without the knowledge of how to use them Zimmerman was a wana-be cop who was too lazy to actually become one and preferred to zoom around in his housing area PLAYING cop - had he stayed in his car instead of trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. Most of the people who think like you do don't give a sit about Martin because they think of him as a nigger, plain and simple. If anyone distorted the facts it was Zimmerman and his defense team, Martin was breaking no laws and had every right to be where he was, harming no one. Zimmerman had a history of looking for trouble, constantly calling the cops, real cops mind you, about suspicious characters in his area - he went looking for trouble and he created the trouble. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, Trayvon might be alive today. and Zimmerman might be dead. Zimmerman was found not guilty by reason of *self defense*. Zimmerman never broke any law. Trayvon broke the law the moment he assaulted Zimmerman. For you to say Zimmerman didn't know how or when to use a firearm is irresponsible. I would assume in Florida, as in Texas, he had a permit to carry, which is given only after receiving training, which would include use and legality of when it could be used. The Sanford police department chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of the circumstances and the law. Political pressure was applied until charges were brought and a million dollars thrown down the drain. The media lied about the facts, building false hopes of *justice*. MSNBC would have you think Zimmerman tracked, hunted down and shot, in cold blood, a poor innocent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
It's quite simple Michael, neither one of us were there but you could use your imagination if you really wanted the truth. There was a struggle on the ground and Zimmerman squirmed around trying to get out from under Martin and get his head off of the pavement. It's very easy to imagine not only his clothing but also the holster shifting to to his right, especially if his cloths were lose fitting. Try it, organize your clothing in a straight line, lay on the ground and roll around as if you were fighting for your life . Then stand up and see if your cloths are still organized as neat and straight as they were before. Your reasons for Martin not being able to go for the gun or Zimmerman not being able to get to it from that position are grasping for straws. There was enough light that people who witnessed the incident could tell who was on top and who was on the bottom and what color their cloths were. Yes we have Zimmerman's word and there were other eye witnesses that verify most of what Zimmerman said. The Prosecution never could prove their case, only speculate. The defense had to prove nothing, yet they proved beyond a reasonable doubt their side of the story.All you have is Al Sharpton's word who wasn't there, saw nothing and can only speculate what he imagined happened and he hasn't gotten anything right yet. Remember Tawana Brawley and Duke La Cross? Sharpton is a race- baiter, trying to make a name for himself and be the next Martin Luther King and failing miserably at it. All he has ever done is gen things up based on lies and when they are found to be lies, disappoints and even embarrasses the more intelligent people that that believed in him. MSNBC would be wise to distance themselves from him. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you have only Zimmerman's word that he was attacked and his account of the incident is not credible for the reason's already described. As to Zimmerman's so -called injuries, I have been hurt worse getting scratched by my cat. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. P.S. Michael, I didn't address the *most people who think like you* issue. To me, Trayvon was a *hot headed* kid that made a real big mistake. Kind of stupid to attack people these days, especially with so many *right to carry* permits granted in so many states. That is what those permits are intended for, to protect yourself against assault with intent to kill or do great bodily harm. One more slam of Zimmerman's head against concrete could have killed or caused brain damage. He had every moral right to draw his weapon and use it at that point.As I believe Judy mentioned earlier, nobody is a winner here, but Zimmerman did walk away with his life on Feb 26, 2012 and his freedom last night. His life will be affected till he dies and Trayvon's parents will have to live with burying their child, something no parent should have to do. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind of fun orchestrating the keen sense of smell of the dog and the eye site and speed of the falcon. More ranchers and farms are willing to let you hunt on their land under those circumstances. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Justice has been served in this case, only God can guarantee perfect justice, deal with it. American jurisprudence is the best we can do as imperfect human beings in an imperfect world. Who knows what really happened?, and, is there really man made Global warming?, depends on who you believe I guess. I don't know, nor do you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Â On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
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Dix is wrong - watch the video re-creation he and his lawyers did to see what Zimmerman said happened when. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: you have only Zimmerman's word that he was attacked and his account of the incident is not credible for the reason's already described. As to Zimmerman's so -called injuries, I have been hurt worse getting scratched by my cat. What an idiotic comment, why bother with such fools as this? Being scratched by my cat? Really? What a biased comment without foundation, so dude, did your cat break your nose; nyuk!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
you are still an idiot - Zimmerman said he drew WHILE he was on the ground, with Martin still on top of him From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. It's quite simple Michael, neither one of us were there but you could use your imagination if you really wanted the truth. There was a struggle on the ground and Zimmerman squirmed around trying to get out from under Martin and get his head off of the pavement. It's very easy to imagine not only his clothing but also the holster shifting to to his right, especially if his cloths were lose fitting. Try it, organize your clothing in a straight line, lay on the ground and roll around as if you were fighting for your life . Then stand up and see if your cloths are still organized as neat and straight as they were before. Your reasons for Martin not being able to go for the gun or Zimmerman not being able to get to it from that position are grasping for straws. There was enough light that people who witnessed the incident could tell who was on top and who was on the bottom and what color their cloths were. Yes we have Zimmerman's word and there were other eye witnesses that verify most of what Zimmerman said. The Prosecution never could prove their case, only speculate. The defense had to prove nothing, yet they proved beyond a reasonable doubt their side of the story.All you have is Al Sharpton's word who wasn't there, saw nothing and can only speculate what he imagined happened and he hasn't gotten anything right yet. Remember Tawana Brawley and Duke La Cross? Sharpton is a race- baiter, trying to make a name for himself and be the next Martin Luther King and failing miserably at it. All he has ever done is gen things up based on lies and when they are found to be lies, disappoints and even embarrasses the more intelligent people that that believed in him. MSNBC would be wise to distance themselves from him. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you have only Zimmerman's word that he was attacked and his account of the incident is not credible for the reason's already described. As to Zimmerman's so -called injuries, I have been hurt worse getting scratched by my cat. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. P.S. Michael, I didn't address the *most people who think like you* issue. To me, Trayvon was a *hot headed* kid that made a real big mistake. Kind of stupid to attack people these days, especially with so many *right to carry* permits granted in so many states. That is what those permits are intended for, to protect yourself against assault with intent to kill or do great bodily harm. One more slam of Zimmerman's head against concrete could have killed or caused brain damage. He had every moral right to draw his weapon and use it at that point.As I believe Judy mentioned earlier, nobody is a winner here, but Zimmerman did walk away with his life on Feb 26, 2012 and his freedom last night. His life will be affected till he dies and Trayvon's parents will have to live with burying their child, something no parent should have to do. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how to use guns , have had several since I was a kid. Currently, I don't have any. Would love to have a Bushmaster AR15 though but that would just be a thousand dollars just sitting in a closet and I don't feel threatened. The only hunting I do is with Peregrine falcons and a Spinoni. It's kind
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Interesting that the right wingers here feel justice has been served. Wonder what they would be thinking if Zimmerman shot one of their heroes like Paul Ryan? On 07/14/2013 12:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: Justice has been served in this case, only God can guarantee perfect justice, deal with it. American jurisprudence is the best we can do as imperfect human beings in an imperfect world. Who knows what really happened?, and, is there really man made Global warming?, depends on who you believe I guess. I don't know, nor do you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Â On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
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as in the OJ Simpson case, there is no accounting for the stupidity of jurors From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: you have no real world knowledge - how could Zimmerman have drawn his weapon which was in a IWB (inner waistband holster) that he claimed was either on his right hip, or actually BEHIND his back (he waffled on the placement of the gun in his waistband) - even if on his right hip, with Martin on him, straddling his body Zimmerman's hands would have been blocked from access to the weapon and how the hell could Martin have seen a black gun in a black IWB on a dark rainy night when the weapon was not in his field of vision if he had HIS hands over Zimmerman's face. Its a matter of placement of each person's body and the limitations of the physical body. Zimmerman obviously lied as to who was where - no way Martin could even have seen the gun, much less grabbed for it under those circumstances, nor could Zimmerman have drawn the weapon under the circumstances Zimmerman described. He lied and that's it. But you won't believe it because of the dead boy's color. Amigo Jackson-We don't really KNOW what happened! We do know Trayvon Martin and his family got a fair hearing on the matter and the state failed to prove it's case to a fair minded Jury, that's it! Only God guarantees perfect justice and I don't think he needs YOUR *opinion* to reach it! end.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
I guess we'd be rioting in the streets and burning down our neighbors businesses.(NOT)! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Interesting that the right wingers here feel justice has been served. Wonder what they would be thinking if Zimmerman shot one of their heroes like Paul Ryan? On 07/14/2013 12:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: Justice has been served in this case, only God can guarantee perfect justice, deal with it. American jurisprudence is the best we can do as imperfect human beings in an imperfect world. Who knows what really happened?, and, is there really man made Global warming?, depends on who you believe I guess. I don't know, nor do you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Â On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: as in the OJ Simpson case, there is no accounting for the stupidity of jurors Agreed, they really were *stupid* when it came to the OJ case, glad you agree, in this case they went with the law, IMHO. PS Don't call all jurors stupid! You're being judgmental, that's not nice, you're a nice person right?
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Or Barack Obama LOL! Dude, get real. So, Trayvon Martin is... err, was a left wing hero? Did you listen to the evidence or just the speculation? Almost all of what I heard on CNN, MSNBC and NBC was pure speculation. Zimmerman racially profiled, stalked and murdered Trayvon while only showing us photos of a much younger, sweet, smiling child. Rarely, if ever, admitting facts but speculating what *must* have happened, as did the Prosecution and trying to squeeze around known facts. At least Fox laid out both sides of the stories all along as they became available. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Interesting that the right wingers here feel justice has been served. Wonder what they would be thinking if Zimmerman shot one of their heroes like Paul Ryan? On 07/14/2013 12:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: Justice has been served in this case, only God can guarantee perfect justice, deal with it. American jurisprudence is the best we can do as imperfect human beings in an imperfect world. Who knows what really happened?, and, is there really man made Global warming?, depends on who you believe I guess. I don't know, nor do you! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Â On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
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Why is that only Michael Jackson's post arrive in my spam box? One of the wonders of the Universe I guess. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you are still an idiot - Zimmerman said he drew WHILE he was on the ground, with Martin still on top of him From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. It's quite simple Michael, neither one of us were there but you could use your imagination if you really wanted the truth. There was a struggle on the ground and Zimmerman squirmed around trying to get out from under Martin and get his head off of the pavement. It's very easy to imagine not only his clothing but also the holster shifting to to his right, especially if his cloths were lose fitting. Try it, organize your clothing in a straight line, lay on the ground and roll around as if you were fighting for your life . Then stand up and see if your cloths are still organized as neat and straight as they were before. Your reasons for Martin not being able to go for the gun or Zimmerman not being able to get to it from that position are grasping for straws. There was enough light that people who witnessed the incident could tell who was on top and who was on the bottom and what color their cloths were. Yes we have Zimmerman's word and there were other eye witnesses that verify most of what Zimmerman said. The Prosecution never could prove their case, only speculate. The defense had to prove nothing, yet they proved beyond a reasonable doubt their side of the story.All you have is Al Sharpton's word who wasn't there, saw nothing and can only speculate what he imagined happened and he hasn't gotten anything right yet. Remember Tawana Brawley and Duke La Cross? Sharpton is a race- baiter, trying to make a name for himself and be the next Martin Luther King and failing miserably at it. All he has ever done is gen things up based on lies and when they are found to be lies, disappoints and even embarrasses the more intelligent people that that believed in him. MSNBC would be wise to distance themselves from him. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. you have only Zimmerman's word that he was attacked and his account of the incident is not credible for the reason's already described. As to Zimmerman's so -called injuries, I have been hurt worse getting scratched by my cat. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. P.S. Michael, I didn't address the *most people who think like you* issue. To me, Trayvon was a *hot headed* kid that made a real big mistake. Kind of stupid to attack people these days, especially with so many *right to carry* permits granted in so many states. That is what those permits are intended for, to protect yourself against assault with intent to kill or do great bodily harm. One more slam of Zimmerman's head against concrete could have killed or caused brain damage. He had every moral right to draw his weapon and use it at that point.As I believe Judy mentioned earlier, nobody is a winner here, but Zimmerman did walk away with his life on Feb 26, 2012 and his freedom last night. His life will be affected till he dies and Trayvon's parents will have to live with burying their child, something no parent should have to do. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. What makes you think Zimmerman didn't have the knowledge of how to use his weapon? He obviously kept it holstered until the last possible moment,drawing it only after multiple slams of his head against cement and according to his account, only after Trayvon noticed it and reached for it.Nothing wrong with wanting to be a cop or pursuing that as a career. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon had every right to what they were doing up to the point of assault. Trayvon had every right to walk in the neighborhood in which he was a guest and Zimmerman had every right to be on a neighborhood watch team. Zimmerman had every right to report to police a person he had never seen before in his neighborhood due to the numerous burglaries in the past and his position in a neighborhood watch program. BTW, I do know how
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Interesting. I hadn't considered that aspect of the case. No wonder his lawyer was looking so cheerful on the TV news today - Christmas has come early. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: George Zimmerman will always be a *marked* man but he could also become a very wealthy man in the near future. Florida has strong laws against being charged with a crime without the evidence to support a conviction. That is why he wasn't charged in the first place. He has an excellent case against the state of Florida. He also has a strong case against NBC for editing his 911 call that made him look like he brought up the issue of *race* in his call. The idea, to make Zimmerman look as if he was a racist. That would show malice, strengthening a manslaughter case. Florida and NBC will probably want to settle out of court, making Zimmerman very wealthy and able to live anywhere he wants.
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O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, has said they will get immunity from any civil cases brought against Zimmerman. Probably based on *stand your ground* law. So if the Martin's want to sue Zimmerman after Zimmerman has settled with Florida and NBC it won't do them any good. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Interesting. I hadn't considered that aspect of the case. No wonder his lawyer was looking so cheerful on the TV news today - Christmas has come early. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: George Zimmerman will always be a *marked* man but he could also become a very wealthy man in the near future. Florida has strong laws against being charged with a crime without the evidence to support a conviction. That is why he wasn't charged in the first place. He has an excellent case against the state of Florida. He also has a strong case against NBC for editing his 911 call that made him look like he brought up the issue of *race* in his call. The idea, to make Zimmerman look as if he was a racist. That would show malice, strengthening a manslaughter case. Florida and NBC will probably want to settle out of court, making Zimmerman very wealthy and able to live anywhere he wants.
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Didn't say that Martin was hero, did I? You sorta jumped to a conclusion there. I had to make an example the would make a point. If I mentioned some obscure right winger it wouldn't make a point, would it? When I started to do my morning walk around here a few of the neighbors drove by slowly watching me. I just stared them right back or wave at them. After all I've been living in this neighborhood for almost 13 years which is probably longer than some of them. The right is using this as a cause for their wanting to have guns. BTW, I've stated here that I believe in the 2nd Amendment and that probably the right to have guns may well have prevented coup d'etats in this country. However I don't feel people need to collect automatic weapons like machine guns. We had a federal law in place that prevented that but for some crazy reason the Repugs made sure it expired. Maybe they want us all shooting at each other so they can declare martial law, take away all our rights and steal our property? Obama has done a fairly good job of being a Republican president. On 07/14/2013 01:23 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Or Barack Obama LOL! Dude, get real. So, Trayvon Martin is... err, was a left wing hero? Did you listen to the evidence or just the speculation? Almost all of what I heard on CNN, MSNBC and NBC was pure speculation. Zimmerman racially profiled, stalked and murdered Trayvon while only showing us photos of a much younger, sweet, smiling child. Rarely, if ever, admitting facts but speculating what *must* have happened, as did the Prosecution and trying to squeeze around known facts. At least Fox laid out both sides of the stories all along as they became available. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Interesting that the right wingers here feel justice has been served. Wonder what they would be thinking if Zimmerman shot one of their heroes like Paul Ryan? On 07/14/2013 12:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: Justice has been served in this case, only God can guarantee perfect justice, deal with it. American jurisprudence is the best we can do as imperfect human beings in an imperfect world. Who knows what really happened?, and, is there really man made Global warming?, depends on who you believe I guess. I don't know, nor do you! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Well.. that actually makes one. The state did not prove their case. The defense didn't need to , but they did. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Â On 07/13/2013 05:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. There are two people who know what really happened. One is dead and the other is a proven liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Nice. Very nice. If a case like this had happened in the UK, Zimmerman might not sleep so easy at night as the bastards in power abolished double jeopardy protection, which had been the law here since the Normans popped over in 1066! Since 2005, serious crimes (including murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, armed robbery, rape, and serious drug crimes) can be subject to a retrial, regardless of when committed. Unbelievable! (Funnily enough, the protection was abolished following a high-profile case in which an innocent black youth standing at a bus stop was stabbed to death by a gang of white thugs.) For you guys the double jeopardy rule is guaranteed in your Fifth Amendment. Don't ever let the politicians take it away from you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, has said they will get immunity from any civil cases brought against Zimmerman. Probably based on *stand your ground* law. So if the Martin's want to sue Zimmerman after Zimmerman has settled with Florida and NBC it won't do them any good.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Ah, so he is an *intelligent* racist?? Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. I personally don't get into the whole black and white thing like the racist dude in the article. I don't give a damn if one person was green and the other polka-dotted. Enjoy your class A delusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: This guy is just your average, stupid, run of the mill racist. Why so impressed, or have you successfully hidden your glue sniffing habit from us? Wow, you guys really do play the race card as a knee-jerk response, don't you? Steyn is neither stupid nor average: even his detractors have had to admit his flair for controversy. He's also a fine champion for freedom of speech and has stood shoulder-to-shoulder with those whose lives are under constant threat of assassination because of their un-PC views. Don't you agree that even dumb asses like you should be able to express your ill-considered opinions without fear of assault? (I leave glue sniffing to the plebs - I deserve Class A drugs.) The one guy had a gun. The other guy didn't. Are we done yet? Lucky for him he had a gun or he'd be six feet under today.Yes, we are done. Not Guilty was the right call. Of course Zimmerman will never be able to live a normal life now so that should be some consolation to you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Let's hope so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, has said they will get immunity from any civil cases brought against Zimmerman. Probably based on *stand your ground* law. So if the Martin's want to sue Zimmerman after Zimmerman has settled with Florida and NBC it won't do them any good. From: Seraphita s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  Interesting. I hadn't considered that aspect of the case. No wonder his lawyer was looking so cheerful on the TV news today - Christmas has come early. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote:  George Zimmerman will always be a *marked* man but he could also become a very wealthy man in the near future. Florida has strong laws against being charged with a crime without the evidence to support a conviction. That is why he wasn't charged in the first place. He has an excellent case against the state of Florida. He also has a strong case against NBC for editing his 911 call that made him look like he brought up the issue of *race* in his call. The idea, to make Zimmerman look as if he was a racist. That would show malice, strengthening a manslaughter case. Florida and NBC will probably want to settle out of court, making Zimmerman very wealthy and able to live anywhere he wants.Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Re Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. : not if he is convinced his own life is in danger. Like it or not that's what the law says in Florida. And even if the law didn't say that I'd shoot someone regardless if I thought he was going to assault me unprovoked and I had a gun handy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Ah, so he is an *intelligent* racist?? Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. I personally don't get into the whole black and white thing like the racist dude in the article. I don't give a damn if one person was green and the other polka-dotted. Enjoy your class A delusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. : not if he is convinced his own life is in danger. Like it or not that's what the law says in Florida. And even if the law didn't say that I'd shoot someone regardless if I thought he was going to assault me unprovoked and I had a gun handy. That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ah, so he is an *intelligent* racist?? Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. I personally don't get into the whole black and white thing like the racist dude in the article. I don't give a damn if one person was green and the other polka-dotted. Enjoy your class A delusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. : not if he is convinced his own life is in danger. Like it or not that's what the law says in Florida. And even if the law didn't say that I'd shoot someone regardless if I thought he was going to assault me unprovoked and I had a gun handy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ah, so he is an *intelligent* racist?? Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. I personally don't get into the whole black and white thing like the racist dude in the article. I don't give a damn if one person was green and the other polka-dotted. Enjoy your class A delusion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Self defense laws , in just about any state, require that a person be in fear of their life or serious bodily injury in order to use deadly force. That is why I'm all for as many people getting a permit to carry, as feel comfortable to do so. Not everybody is big and bad enough to take a beating or defend against one bare handed and survive. You can't tell me that oh, I can take so many blows to the head and survive, I'll wait till the last possible one to pull that gun out and use it. Zimmerman took a lot of pounding, numerous blows to the head before drawing his gun, which he claims he did only after he thought Trayvon saw it and was going for it . There was a witness that saw him down taking a beating and I'll give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt as to whether Trayvon saw and attempted to go for the gun. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. : not if he is convinced his own life is in danger. Like it or not that's what the law says in Florida. And even if the law didn't say that I'd shoot someone regardless if I thought he was going to assault me unprovoked and I had a gun handy. That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ah, so he is an *intelligent* racist?? Anyone with a gun who shoots an unarmed man in a public place has committed a crime. I personally don't get into the whole black and white thing like the racist dude in the article. I don't give a damn if one person was green and the other polka-dotted. Enjoy your class A delusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Yes, I've a lot of sympathy for your point here Ann - but then here in the UK we have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world! You're not even allowed to carry pepper spray as a deterrent as you can in France, for example. The bottom-line in this Zimmerman case is probably that it should never have been a case at all as there was always insufficient evidence to take it to court. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
so you think the OJ case was fair? Maybe OJ will hire Zimmerman to be his butler and they can compare notes. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: you have no real world knowledge - how could Zimmerman have drawn his weapon which was in a IWB (inner waistband holster) that he claimed was either on his right hip, or actually BEHIND his back (he waffled on the placement of the gun in his waistband) - even if on his right hip, with Martin on him, straddling his body Zimmerman's hands would have been blocked from access to the weapon and how the hell could Martin have seen a black gun in a black IWB on a dark rainy night when the weapon was not in his field of vision if he had HIS hands over Zimmerman's face. Its a matter of placement of each person's body and the limitations of the physical body. Zimmerman obviously lied as to who was where - no way Martin could even have seen the gun, much less grabbed for it under those circumstances, nor could Zimmerman have drawn the weapon under the circumstances Zimmerman described. He lied and that's it. But you won't believe it because of the dead boy's color. Amigo Jackson-We don't really KNOW what happened! We do know Trayvon Martin and his family got a fair hearing on the matter and the state failed to prove it's case to a fair minded Jury, that's it! Only God guarantees perfect justice and I don't think he needs YOUR *opinion* to reach it! end.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
wrong again - you discount the idea that the local law enforcement didn't give a shit about Martin because of his color - my step father was a cop in a small Southern town in SC and I know from him the level of prejudice that existed and still exists today in many Southern towns - it happens, don't doubt that. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yes, I've a lot of sympathy for your point here Ann - but then here in the UK we have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world! You're not even allowed to carry pepper spray as a deterrent as you can in France, for example. The bottom-line in this Zimmerman case is probably that it should never have been a case at all as there was always insufficient evidence to take it to court. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: That is the crux right there, a very good reason why guns have no business in the hands of any member of the public. The threat of a broken jaw, a few stitches is not worth taking the life of another for. Level playing fields are not created by putting guns in the hands of those scared enough or angry enough to use them against others without a gun. Violence happens, people get threatened, injured, killed all the time. Add guns into the mix and you exponentially increase the bloodletting. No one will ever be able to convince me that guns are a right I should exercise or fight for. I didn't want to get into this topic but I guess I have now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Michael, I don't discount the idea that there could be prejudice - I'm a long way from Florida and have only spent a couple of weeks there on vacation so I can't pronounce on the locals' attitudes towards race - but wouldn't you want hard evidence to convict someone on a murder rap and send them to Death Row or life imprisonment? The prosecution didn't have anything much beyond the guesswork we're all engaging in here on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: wrong again - you discount the idea that the local law enforcement didn't give a shit about Martin because of his color - my step father was a cop in a small Southern town in SC and I know from him the level of prejudice that existed and still exists today in many Southern towns - it happens, don't doubt that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Yep you are very compassionate inspite of your supreme knowledge that it is all ultimately Self - we are too styoopid, over-the-top emotional, reactive, irony-challenged to recognize how lucky we are that you have graced this list under the guise of this Zimmerman-Martin saga. Why didn't your racist-conservative-liberal-libertarian-quietist views not wake us up from our stupor? Xeno baby - you have competition, watch out !!! You really need to nail this retard first before you get to Emily. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yep you are very compassionate inspite of your supreme knowledge that it is all ultimately Self - we are too styoopid, over-the-top emotional, reactive, irony-challenged to recognize how lucky we are that you have graced this list under the guise of this Zimmerman-Martin saga. Why didn't your racist-conservative-liberal-libertarian-quietist views not wake us up from our stupor? Xeno baby - you have competition, watch out !!! You really need to nail this retard first before you get to Emily. Ravi, I love you for your wildness, your spunk, your wild abandon. You are OUT OF CONTROL!!! On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: ** Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yep you are very compassionate inspite of your supreme knowledge that it is all ultimately Self - we are too styoopid, over-the-top emotional, reactive, irony-challenged to recognize how lucky we are that you have graced this list under the guise of this Zimmerman-Martin saga. Why didn't your racist-conservative-liberal-libertarian-quietist views not wake us up from our stupor? Xeno baby - you have competition, watch out !!! You really need to nail this retard first before you get to Emily. Ravi, I love you for your wildness, your spunk, your wild abandon. You are OUT OF CONTROL!!! Yep I'm opposite of the Seraphita, Xeno pseudo-Eastern, neo-advaita, Buddhist types - if it's all Self why not be totally wild and out of control and provocative? On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: ** Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Ravi - playful guy you are. I think the feelings that came through my post may scare Xeno away. Smile. I'm not expecting anything in that regard; Xeno put in a yoeman's effort today on that response to Barry, which I admit to finding very humorous - the Judy quotes were marvelous. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yep you are very compassionate inspite of your supreme knowledge that it is all ultimately Self - we are too styoopid, over-the-top emotional, reactive, irony-challenged to recognize how lucky we are that you have graced this list under the guise of this Zimmerman-Martin saga. Why didn't your racist-conservative-liberal-libertarian-quietist views not wake us up from our stupor? Xeno baby - you have competition, watch out !!! You really need to nail this retard first before you get to Emily. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Well dear Em - it's not as much scary as offensive and insulting. Did you not hear from Seraphita? That kind of over the top neediness is creepy to the likes of Xeno, Seraphita and Barry - they are the stern, stoic, spiritual Gurus. This is serious shit OK Em? On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Ravi - playful guy you are. I think the feelings that came through my post may scare Xeno away. Smile. I'm not expecting anything in that regard; Xeno put in a yoeman's effort today on that response to Barry, which I admit to finding very humorous - the Judy quotes were marvelous. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Yep you are very compassionate inspite of your supreme knowledge that it is all ultimately Self - we are too styoopid, over-the-top emotional, reactive, irony-challenged to recognize how lucky we are that you have graced this list under the guise of this Zimmerman-Martin saga. Why didn't your racist-conservative-liberal-libertarian-quietist views not wake us up from our stupor? Xeno baby - you have competition, watch out !!! You really need to nail this retard first before you get to Emily. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Re I disagree completely: now that made me laugh as we do finally agree. I also am not one to protest reality (I'm a quietist at heart). I don't really care that much what happens to Zimmerman from here on in; he can look after himself. And, yep, karma's a bitch alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Yeah, OK. I disagree completely, though I am not one to protest reality. I don't care what happens to the killer - karma's a bitch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 He says it a bit more energetically than I would, but that's the way I've seen it all along. On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa The U.S. Department of so-called Justice dispatched something called its Community Relations Services to Florida to help organize anti-Zimmerman rallies at taxpayer expense? Really?? As opposed to helping calm down the racial tensions? This is your idea of the best journalism on the web? *Really*??
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
authfriend: This is your idea of the best journalism on the web? Yeah, I think I mentioned this aspect of the Zimmerman trial in a previous post, but there was no response except from Mike Dixon, so I figured nobody here cared about the Zimmerman show trial. When are you going to start reading the newspaper? LoL! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349626 How difficult can that be in a country in which an Hispanic Obama voter can be instantly transformed into the poster boy for white racism? - Mark Steyn So, the Obama Administration needed to increase racial tension to boost black turnout in 2012? This is just outrageous! If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon. - Barack Obama, community organizer Today Judicial Watch released a set of documents that it obtained from multiple government sources relating to the role of the Department of Justice in demonstrations relating to the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. 'Did the Department of Justice Stir Up Trayvon Martin Riots?' Powerline: http://tinyurl.com/l4hfz5x When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
THANKS RAVI! This is exactly how I feel about it. Makes me wanna cry. As far as I am concerned, reading National Review is a complete waste of time. STFU RICHARD. SMILE. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Excellent rant. My sentiments exactly. On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa* Steyn is the Cadberry Easter Bunny of journalism. Masquerading as a clucking chicken, he delivers chocolate eggs in colorful foil, but each contains a poison pill. He wraps a delicious story in oft repeated talking points solely for the purpose of delivering red meat smears to trained teabaggers salivating on cue. Goebbles never had it so good.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Problem is, had Zimmerman done as this old fart suggests, leave the gun at home, Zimmerman may very well have been the dead one. I think the defense has more than adequately shown that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman while walking back to his car, initiated violence with a sucker- punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head against concrete, while pinning him down and according to Zimmerman, covered his mouth and nose and told him he was going to die tonight. The only injuries on Trayvon were bruised knuckles(from pounding Zimmerman and the gun shot to the heart), no bruises to head or body,no indications Zimmerman ever so much as touched Trayvon. The prosecution proved nothing, only suggesting a series of *what if's*. Charges never should have been filed against Zimmerman and were only done so out of political pressure. The media has been wanting a *race dialog* since Obama took office, remember the Louis Gates fiasco?Thing is, just like Trayvon, they(the media) aren't picking their fights very well. They need a slam dunk and Florida vs Zimmerman isn't one. My intuition tells me that old man is really a college prof. trying to come off as an old red-neck trying to erase his *white guilt*. Sorry, I just don't buy it,LOL! From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Excellent rant. My sentiments exactly. On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa* Steyn is the Cadberry Easter Bunny of journalism. Masquerading as a clucking chicken, he delivers chocolate eggs in colorful foil, but each contains a poison pill. He wraps a delicious story in oft repeated talking points solely for the purpose of delivering red meat smears to trained teabaggers salivating on cue. Goebbles never had it so good. Ravi's Jyotish reading of yours was right; you should write a book. Your command of the English language is only superseded by your command of fools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Problem is, had Zimmerman done as this old fart suggests, leave the gun at home, Zimmerman may very well have been the dead one. I think the defense has more than adequately shown that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman while walking back to his car, initiated violence with a sucker- punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head against concrete, while pinning him down and according to Zimmerman, covered his mouth and nose and told him he was going to die tonight. The only injuries on Trayvon were bruised knuckles(from pounding Zimmerman and the gun shot to the heart), no bruises to head or body,no indications Zimmerman ever so much as touched Trayvon. The prosecution proved nothing, only suggesting a series of *what if's*. Charges never should have been filed against Zimmerman and were only done so out of political pressure. The media has been wanting a *race dialog* since Obama took office, remember the Louis Gates fiasco?Thing is, just like Trayvon, they(the media) aren't picking their fights very well. They need a slam dunk and Florida vs Zimmerman isn't one. My intuition tells me that old man is really a college prof. trying to come off as an old red-neck trying to erase his *white guilt*. Sorry, I just don't buy it,LOL! From: Richard J. Williams richard@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Re Goebbles [sic] never had it so good : actually Herr Goebbels had all his opponents shipped off to concentration camps you silly man! Steyn has to compete on the open forum of the web and is one of the most popular political pundits around the globe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: Steyn is the Cadberry Easter Bunny of journalism. Masquerading as a clucking chicken, he delivers chocolate eggs in colorful foil, but each contains a poison pill. He wraps a delicious story in oft repeated talking points solely for the purpose of delivering red meat smears to trained teabaggers salivating on cue. Goebbles never had it so good.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re Goebbles [sic] never had it so good : actually Herr Goebbels had all his opponents shipped off to concentration camps you silly man! Er, silly woman? Raunchy is a woman but, as you will sooner or later find out, hardly silly. Steyn has to compete on the open forum of the web and is one of the most popular political pundits around the globe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: Steyn is the Cadberry Easter Bunny of journalism. Masquerading as a clucking chicken, he delivers chocolate eggs in colorful foil, but each contains a poison pill. He wraps a delicious story in oft repeated talking points solely for the purpose of delivering red meat smears to trained teabaggers salivating on cue. Goebbles never had it so good.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. Childish rants appears to be what this post of yours is. It not only earmarks you as right wing but rather fundamentalist in the worst kind of way, not to mention insulting as a result of others not agreeing with your viewpoints. I don't think any TM checking could cure you of any of these afflictions either. Why you care enough about this subject enough to demonstrate these unsavoury characteristics you evidently possess is one of those mysteries of life. We've got a couple of assholes here already, I guess another one won't hurt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Problem is, had Zimmerman done as this old fart suggests, leave the gun at home, Zimmerman may very well have been the dead one. I think the defense has more than adequately shown that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman while walking back to his car, initiated violence with a sucker- punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head against concrete, while pinning him down and according to Zimmerman, covered his mouth and nose and told him he was going to die tonight. The only injuries on Trayvon were bruised knuckles(from pounding Zimmerman and the gun shot to the heart), no bruises to head or body,no indications Zimmerman ever so much as touched Trayvon. The prosecution proved nothing, only suggesting a series of *what if's*. Charges never should have been filed against Zimmerman and were only done so out of political pressure. The media has been wanting a *race dialog* since Obama took office, remember the Louis Gates fiasco?Thing is, just like Trayvon, they(the media) aren't picking their fights very well. They need a slam dunk and Florida vs Zimmerman isn't one. My intuition tells me that old man is really a college prof. trying to come off as an old red-neck trying to erase his *white guilt*. Sorry, I just don't buy it,LOL! From: Richard J. Williams richard@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
We do not have riots in Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Problem is, had Zimmerman done as this old fart suggests, leave the gun at home, Zimmerman may very well have been the dead one. I think the defense has more than adequately shown that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman while walking back to his car, initiated violence with a sucker- punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head against concrete, while pinning him down and according to Zimmerman, covered his mouth and nose and told him he was going to die tonight. The only injuries on Trayvon were bruised knuckles(from pounding Zimmerman and the gun shot to the heart), no bruises to head or body,no indications Zimmerman ever so much as touched Trayvon. The prosecution proved nothing, only suggesting a series of *what if's*. Charges never should have been filed against Zimmerman and were only done so out of political pressure. The media has been wanting a *race dialog* since Obama took office, remember the Louis Gates fiasco?Thing is, just like Trayvon, they(the media) aren't picking their fights very well. They need a slam dunk and Florida vs Zimmerman isn't one. My intuition tells me that old man is really a college prof. trying to come off as an old red-neck trying to erase his *white guilt*. Sorry, I just don't buy it,LOL! From: Richard J. Williams richard@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. If anything, I'm closest to being anti the state in my approach to politics, so on the political right I enjoy those conservative writers who oppose the encroaching nanny state and on the political left I'm a big fan of those old anarchist theoreticians (and I'll give a nod to the hippies also). If over your side of the pond you call someone with views like mine a right-wing fundamentalist then that's what I am! The terminology is misleading though. But re your comment Why you care enough about this subject : because I care about justice! What would you think of someone who couldn't give a shit if Zimmerman was convicted or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Childish rants appears to be what this post of yours is. It not only earmarks you as right wing but rather fundamentalist in the worst kind of way, not to mention insulting as a result of others not agreeing with your viewpoints. I don't think any TM checking could cure you of any of these afflictions either. Why you care enough about this subject enough to demonstrate these unsavoury characteristics you evidently possess is one of those mysteries of life. We've got a couple of assholes here already, I guess another one won't hurt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). I'm sorry you felt it was childish of me to quote Steyn's remark in his second paragraph, before he even began to discuss the merits of the case against Zimmerman: The U.S. Department of so-called Justice dispatched something called its 'Community Relations Services' to Florida to help organize anti-Zimmerman rallies at taxpayer expense. I haven't been following the specifics of the Zimmerman trial, so I have no comments on Steyn's view of it--except to say that anyone who would assert the bit of right-wing insanity I just quoted has something so seriously wrong with their attitude and their judgment that I wouldn't trust them to tell me whether it was raining outside. For more on this nitwittery: http://prospect.org/article/how-conservative-media-are-eating-zimmerman-trial http://tinyurl.com/q3q7a35 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/07/trayvon_martin_and_the_justice_department_s_community_relations_service.single.html http://tinyurl.com/mqd2tyj *Of course* the DOJ didn't send anybody to Florida to help organize anti-Zimmerman rallies. The team was sent to try to help calm the burgeoning racial tensions. That's by contrast with the right wing media, which is doing its best to *inflame* those tensions with this absurd and completely false story. I note that you didn't want to comment on this, Seraphita; you preferred to resort to slinging ad hominems.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
You've clearly had an irony-bypass operation. The clue was :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: We do not have riots in Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: You've clearly had an irony-bypass operation. The clue was :-) Those stupid smiley faces mean nothing. Barry uses them all the time after stabbing someone in the back. I never use them because they are 99% of the time disingenuous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: We do not have riots in Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
I'm in the 1% group. My smileys mean business! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Those stupid smiley faces mean nothing. Barry uses them all the time after stabbing someone in the back. I never use them because they are 99% of the time disingenuous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. Oh no, does this mean you're enlightened? If anything, I'm closest to being anti the state in my approach to politics, so on the political right I enjoy those conservative writers who oppose the encroaching nanny state and on the political left I'm a big fan of those old anarchist theoreticians (and I'll give a nod to the hippies also). If over your side of the pond you call someone with views like mine a right-wing fundamentalist then that's what I am! The terminology is misleading though. Most terminology is misleading but words written by others usually speak volumes. But re your comment Why you care enough about this subject : because I care about justice! What would you think of someone who couldn't give a shit if Zimmerman was convicted or not? If you interpret justice to mean the guy you happen to think is innocent doesn't get convicted then I don't care about that kind of justice. This case does not particularly interest me but when vitriol erupts from someone posting about it I find that more engaging. This is why I chimed in. I am not convinced that anger, insults and mudslinging are warranted by caring about the Zimmerman case as you profess to do. I prefer civilized, open minded dialogue that is why I started this discussion with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Childish rants appears to be what this post of yours is. It not only earmarks you as right wing but rather fundamentalist in the worst kind of way, not to mention insulting as a result of others not agreeing with your viewpoints. I don't think any TM checking could cure you of any of these afflictions either. Why you care enough about this subject enough to demonstrate these unsavoury characteristics you evidently possess is one of those mysteries of life. We've got a couple of assholes here already, I guess another one won't hurt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Nothing you wrote suggested an ironic intention. So-called smiley faces mean nothing. If you wrote better you would not need them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: You've clearly had an irony-bypass operation. The clue was :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: We do not have riots in Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Seraphita, it doesn't pay to *think* on FFL, you must *feel*. You must *feel* empathy for the downtrodden. You have to feel their *pain* and wallow in it with them, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. That shows others, that you really *care* and if you really *care*, others will *love* you, just like Sally Fields! You see, Trayvon was just a poor little innocent black child, never hurt a fly( just look at the pictures when he was twelve), just bought Skittles for his little brother and tea for himself and was skipping home in the rain when that evil ,white... err, I mean, White Hispanic, was following him, probably going to molest him(weed induced paranoia) and then that creepy- ass cracker pulled out a gun and just shot him because he looked suspicious and was going to get away again. Just don't think about the facts. Just *feel* and you'll be loved. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. If anything, I'm closest to being anti the state in my approach to politics, so on the political right I enjoy those conservative writers who oppose the encroaching nanny state and on the political left I'm a big fan of those old anarchist theoreticians (and I'll give a nod to the hippies also). If over your side of the pond you call someone with views like mine a right-wing fundamentalist then that's what I am! The terminology is misleading though. But re your comment Why you care enough about this subject : because I care about justice! What would you think of someone who couldn't give a shit if Zimmerman was convicted or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Childish rants appears to be what this post of yours is. It not only earmarks you as right wing but rather fundamentalist in the worst kind of way, not to mention insulting as a result of others not agreeing with your viewpoints. I don't think any TM checking could cure you of any of these afflictions either. Why you care enough about this subject enough to demonstrate these unsavoury characteristics you evidently possess is one of those mysteries of life. We've got a couple of assholes here already, I guess another one won't hurt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. Oh no, does this mean you're enlightened? Lord help us - another FFLifer who's had an irony-bypass operation. If anything, I'm closest to being anti the state in my approach to politics, so on the political right I enjoy those conservative writers who oppose the encroaching nanny state and on the political left I'm a big fan of those old anarchist theoreticians (and I'll give a nod to the hippies also). If over your side of the pond you call someone with views like mine a right-wing fundamentalist then that's what I am! The terminology is misleading though. Most terminology is misleading but words written by others usually speak volumes. Then why use the terminology? You mentioned right-wing and fundamentalist first. But re your comment Why you care enough about this subject : because I care about justice! What would you think of someone who couldn't give a shit if Zimmerman was convicted or not? If you interpret justice to mean the guy you happen to think is innocent doesn't get convicted then I don't care about that kind of justice. This case does not particularly interest me but when vitriol erupts from someone posting about it I find that more engaging. This is why I chimed in. I am not convinced that anger, insults and mudslinging are warranted by caring about the Zimmerman case as you profess to do. I prefer civilized, open minded dialogue that is why I started this discussion with you. Yes! Funnily enough, I do interpret justice to mean the guy I believe is innocent doesn't get convicted! I think OJ Simpson should have been found guilty. The fact that the jury disagreed with me is a matter of sublime indifference to me. I'll make my own mind up thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Nicely put. And we Brits don't really do feelings - which is why the hysterical responses by some of the other posters just strike me as absurd. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Seraphita, it doesn't pay to *think* on FFL, you must *feel*. You must *feel* empathy for the downtrodden. You have to feel their *pain* and wallow in it with them, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. That shows others, that you really *care* and if you really *care*, others will *love* you, just like Sally Fields! You see, Trayvon was just a poor little innocent black child, never hurt a fly( just look at the pictures when he was twelve), just bought Skittles for his little brother and tea for himself and was skipping home in the rain when that evil ,white... err, I mean, White Hispanic, was following him, probably going to molest him(weed induced paranoia) and then that creepy- ass cracker pulled out a gun and just shot him because he looked suspicious and was going to get away again. Just don't think about the facts. Just *feel* and you'll be loved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Oh, its just a matter of time - you know, when Bevan announces the Srvastavas boys and Girish are selling the MUM campus to a developer and the university is no more. Granted it will only be Buck a a hundred others or so who will riot, but still. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. We do not have riots in Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Problem is, had Zimmerman done as this old fart suggests, leave the gun at home, Zimmerman may very well have been the dead one. I think the defense has more than adequately shown that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman while walking back to his car, initiated violence with a sucker- punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head against concrete, while pinning him down and according to Zimmerman, covered his mouth and nose and told him he was going to die tonight. The only injuries on Trayvon were bruised knuckles(from pounding Zimmerman and the gun shot to the heart), no bruises to head or body,no indications Zimmerman ever so much as touched Trayvon. The prosecution proved nothing, only suggesting a series of *what if's*. Charges never should have been filed against Zimmerman and were only done so out of political pressure. The media has been wanting a *race dialog* since Obama took office, remember the Louis Gates fiasco?Thing is, just like Trayvon, they(the media) aren't picking their fights very well. They need a slam dunk and Florida vs Zimmerman isn't one. My intuition tells me that old man is really a college prof. trying to come off as an old red-neck trying to erase his *white guilt*. Sorry, I just don't buy it,LOL! From: Richard J. Williams richard@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.  This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On YouTube? LoL! On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Let's see if we can come a little closer to figuring out where you sit on the U.S.'s right-left spectrum (domestically, at any rate). Do you oppose Food Stamps? Do you oppose abortion? (I realize unqualified Yes or No answers may not work for you, but by all means qualify away; that will help us adjust your location more precisely.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. If anything, I'm closest to being anti the state in my approach to politics, so on the political right I enjoy those conservative writers who oppose the encroaching nanny state and on the political left I'm a big fan of those old anarchist theoreticians (and I'll give a nod to the hippies also). If over your side of the pond you call someone with views like mine a right-wing fundamentalist then that's what I am! The terminology is misleading though. But re your comment Why you care enough about this subject : because I care about justice! What would you think of someone who couldn't give a shit if Zimmerman was convicted or not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: Actually I'm neither right-wing nor left-wing - I'm happy to leave that kind of dualistic thinking to the unenlightened. Oh no, does this mean you're enlightened? Lord help us - another FFLifer who's had an irony-bypass operation. Oh-oh, Seraphita, you just blew it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Yes! I wish I could write as well as Mark Steyn! That's what I've been trying to say all along. And on the irony question, I'm convinced that Brits are more sensitive to irony than Yanks so my ear is differently attuned to your ear. I hardly dare post this comment as the finger-waggers will no doubt immediately respond with accusations of stereotyping. But stereotypes often exist for good reason. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: Nothing you wrote suggested an ironic intention. So-called smiley faces mean nothing. If you wrote better you would not need them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. And we Brits don't really do feelings - which is why the hysterical responses by some of the other posters just strike me as absurd. It's a good technique, folks. Just characterize any substantive comments you don't have a response to as hysterical, and you have an instant excuse for ignoring them. Not everyone will be fooled, of course. But it really takes a lot less effort to maintain a following of Stupids, so if you can get yourself set up that way at the start, there won't be so much wear and tear on the ol' synapses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Oh girl, you just stepped in it. You've agreed with me twice and that just *black listed* you on FFL. LOL, sorry. BTW if you want to back-off, I don't believe in abortion, except to protect the life of the mother and I don't believe in food stamps, except in real hardship cases. I used to be very liberal and then I got a job. Now I believe in personal responsibility. Welcome to FFL! LOL From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Nicely put. And we Brits don't really do feelings - which is why the hysterical responses by some of the other posters just strike me as absurd. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Seraphita, it doesn't pay to *think* on FFL, you must *feel*. You must *feel* empathy for the downtrodden. You have to feel their *pain* and wallow in it with them, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. That shows others, that you really *care* and if you really *care*, others will *love* you, just like Sally Fields! You see, Trayvon was just a poor little innocent black child, never hurt a fly( just look at the pictures when he was twelve), just bought Skittles for his little brother and tea for himself and was skipping home in the rain when that evil ,white... err, I mean, White Hispanic, was following him, probably going to molest him(weed induced paranoia) and then that creepy- ass cracker pulled out a gun and just shot him because he looked suspicious and was going to get away again. Just don't think about the facts. Just *feel* and you'll be loved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
I'm willing to cut you some slack since you have admitted to being an emotionally retarded Brit. God knows, there are enough of those. But in my experience, people who claim that they don't do feelings are in fact awash in feelings all the time--they just don't know what to do with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. And we Brits don't really do feelings - which is why the hysterical responses by some of the other posters just strike me as absurd. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Seraphita, it doesn't pay to *think* on FFL, you must *feel*. You must *feel* empathy for the downtrodden. You have to feel their *pain* and wallow in it with them, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. That shows others, that you really *care* and if you really *care*, others will *love* you, just like Sally Fields! You see, Trayvon was just a poor little innocent black child, never hurt a fly( just look at the pictures when he was twelve), just bought Skittles for his little brother and tea for himself and was skipping home in the rain when that evil ,white... err, I mean, White Hispanic, was following him, probably going to molest him(weed induced paranoia) and then that creepy- ass cracker pulled out a gun and just shot him because he looked suspicious and was going to get away again. Just don't think about the facts. Just *feel* and you'll be loved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
I'm not even sure you know what irony is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Yes! I wish I could write as well as Mark Steyn! That's what I've been trying to say all along. And on the irony question, I'm convinced that Brits are more sensitive to irony than Yanks so my ear is differently attuned to your ear. I hardly dare post this comment as the finger-waggers will no doubt immediately respond with accusations of stereotyping. But stereotypes often exist for good reason. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: Nothing you wrote suggested an ironic intention. So-called smiley faces mean nothing. If you wrote better you would not need them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Oh girl, you just stepped in it. You've agreed with me twice and that just *black listed* you on FFL. Oh, sweetie, she didn't need to agree with you to give us an excellent idea of how she approaches political issues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Blimey! We don't have Food Stamps here in the UK. The closest equivalent is welfare support for low-income groups and the unemployed. I've been the recipient of such largess myself back in the day and regard such payments as both morally justified and essential if we're not to have repeats of the recent summer riots! I'm happy to eat the rich. The state I can't abide is the one that tries to tell me that certain opinions are not PC and so not acceptable (by the way, give my thanks to the American Right for coming up with that useful expression politically correct!). The state I can't abide is the one that tries to micromanage every aspect of our lives. The state I can't abide is the one that behaves like your maiden aunt banning smoking in bars, waging the war on drugs, introducing minimum pricing on alcohol, . . . That sort of crap. Funnily enough, I've never really examined the issue of abortion so haven't actually got an opinion on its rights and wrongs but I'd support an individual woman's right to choose. She can decide for herself and I'll decide for myself. Regardless, I wouldn't allow myself to be placed on a political spectrum. My heroes are all renegades. Some are lefties like Blake, Shelley, old Tim Leary and Robert Anton Wilson; some are on the individualist right like Aleister Crowley, the Marquis de Sade (really!) and Max Stirner. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Let's see if we can come a little closer to figuring out where you sit on the U.S.'s right-left spectrum (domestically, at any rate). Do you oppose Food Stamps? Do you oppose abortion? (I realize unqualified Yes or No answers may not work for you, but by all means qualify away; that will help us adjust your location more precisely.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
That's a can of worms you've opened up there! The whole therapy thing never really took off over here as it has in the USA. I've a soft spot for eccentrics and neurotics - who the fuck wants to be normal? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: But in my experience, people who claim that they don't do feelings are in fact awash in feelings all the time--they just don't know what to do with them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Are you saying that Fla vs Zimmerman is a poitical issue? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Oh girl, you just stepped in it. You've agreed with me twice and that just *black listed* you on FFL. Oh, sweetie, she didn't need to agree with you to give us an excellent idea of how she approaches political issues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Here's everything you need to know about irony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zACBeLOpdvQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zACBeLOpdvQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: I'm not even sure you know what irony is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Oh girl, you just stepped in it. You've agreed with me twice and that just *black listed* you on FFL. Oh, sweetie, she didn't need to agree with you to give us an excellent idea of how she approaches political issues. And approaches those with opinions she disagrees with. Or how she views outcomes of legal cases that she didn't like. Now we are all hysterical, childish North Americans who are irony-challenged. P.S. Perhaps the master of irony should show her how it's done. Unfortunately he is taking a powder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Anyway, enough of this idle chat. It's Saturday night and it's 8pm here in London so I'm off out. Of course, we on FFL are in the privileged position of knowing that really we're just the One Self pretending to disagree with each other. Had you fooled there for a while didn't I?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
So Brits are like Vulcans then - British Vulcans - who would-a thought it?! Now we know who is doing all the crop circles that Nabby gets so worked up about. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. I'm willing to cut you some slack since you have admitted to being an emotionally retarded Brit. God knows, there are enough of those. But in my experience, people who claim that they don't do feelings are in fact awash in feelings all the time--they just don't know what to do with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. And we Brits don't really do feelings - which is why the hysterical responses by some of the other posters just strike me as absurd. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Seraphita, it doesn't pay to *think* on FFL, you must *feel*. You must *feel* empathy for the downtrodden. You have to feel their *pain* and wallow in it with them, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. That shows others, that you really *care* and if you really *care*, others will *love* you, just like Sally Fields! You see, Trayvon was just a poor little innocent black child, never hurt a fly( just look at the pictures when he was twelve), just bought Skittles for his little brother and tea for himself and was skipping home in the rain when that evil ,white... err, I mean, White Hispanic, was following him, probably going to molest him(weed induced paranoia) and then that creepy- ass cracker pulled out a gun and just shot him because he looked suspicious and was going to get away again. Just don't think about the facts. Just *feel* and you'll be loved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Blimey! We don't have Food Stamps here in the UK. The closest equivalent is welfare support for low-income groups and the unemployed. Close enough. I've been the recipient of such largess myself back in the day and regard such payments as both morally justified and essential if we're not to have repeats of the recent summer riots! I'm happy to eat the rich. The state I can't abide is the one that tries to tell me that certain opinions are not PC and so not acceptable (by the way, give my thanks to the American Right for coming up with that useful expression politically correct!). Actually I believe it was the far left (communist, socialist) that came up with it originally, in the nonironic sense. Later it became mildly ironic at the hands of the New Left, and was finally turned into a pejorative by the right. (That's in the U.S.; not sure about elsewhere). The state I can't abide is the one that tries to micromanage every aspect of our lives. The state I can't abide is the one that behaves like your maiden aunt banning smoking in bars, waging the war on drugs, introducing minimum pricing on alcohol, . . . That sort of crap. Funnily enough, I've never really examined the issue of abortion so haven't actually got an opinion on its rights and wrongs but I'd support an individual woman's right to choose. She can decide for herself and I'll decide for myself. OK, no argument on either. In this country, those who rail about the nanny state would be likely to oppose both Food Stamps and abortion; it wouldn't occur to them that prohibiting abortion could hardly be a more intrusive manifestation of nanny-state-ism. (Except for the fact that the nannies in question are mostly male.) Regardless, I wouldn't allow myself to be placed on a political spectrum. My heroes are all renegades. Some are lefties like Blake, Shelley, old Tim Leary and Robert Anton Wilson; some are on the individualist right like Aleister Crowley, the Marquis de Sade (really!) and Max Stirner. Perhaps you're more of a Libertarian? Do you have those in the U.K.? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Let's see if we can come a little closer to figuring out where you sit on the U.S.'s right-left spectrum (domestically, at any rate). Do you oppose Food Stamps? Do you oppose abortion? (I realize unqualified Yes or No answers may not work for you, but by all means qualify away; that will help us adjust your location more precisely.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
On 07/13/2013 09:34 AM, Seraphita wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. Fact is even some conservatives don't feel that Zimmerman should have followed Martin and should have followed what the police dispatcher told him to do. Zimmerman is too much like the cowboy cops that many conservatives disdain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Hi Judy - someone posted it on Facebook. Didn't expect all this traction, but looks like a perfect response in retrospect, gives good insights in to this Seraphita person - male or female? The old man showed lot of heart - his pain and anguish even as he covered all the points. Perfect response for our emotionally stunted Seraphita. Wonder what Xeno thinks? I would at least convict George of manslaughter. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:57 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: This guy nails it for me Seraphitarded baby http://youtu.be/xTNtJoYSHa4 Outta SIGHT, man. Where'd you find this? On 7/12/13 3:57 PM, Seraphita wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. *http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. He stopped and said OK and lost sight of Trayvon. He then walked down a walk way to get an address to give dispatch so police would know the exact location. On his way back to his car, Trayvon jumped out and asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no, I don't have a problem and Trayvon said now you do and sucker punched him in the nose, knocking him to the ground, jumping on him and pinning him down, pounding Zimmerman with his fists and banging his head on concrete. The evidence is in Zimmerman's injuries to his face, back of his head, grass and water on his back and eyewitnesses who saw Trayvon on top of him. The media has been less than honest with this case and has tried to deceive people early on. NBC was even caught editing 911 calls to make Zimmerman look as if he were racially profiling. He looks black was only said AFTER 911 dispatch had asked for the race of the suspect. Before that, Zimmerman had not mentioned race in his call to 911. As I've said earlier, this was meant to start the *great race dialog* the nation was supposed to have, the one that was intended with Louis Gates. Remember when the President said I don't know the facts, but the police acted stupidly. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. God, I hope not. The media keeps trying to set- up the racial dialog but it keeps backfiring in their faces. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 09:34 AM, Seraphita wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. Fact is even some conservatives don't feel that Zimmerman should have followed Martin and should have followed what the police dispatcher told him to do. Zimmerman is too much like the cowboy cops that many conservatives disdain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Re Perhaps you're more of a Libertarian? Do you have those in the U.K.?: Not enough! I've always liked the label libertarian, perhaps because it chimes with libertine and liberal - liberal in the old-fashioned, 19th-century, sense of individual freedoms and not your current US sense which homes-in on group values and the ghettoisation that attitude entails). But libertarian in the USA also seems to imply a fuck-the-poor attitude which I don't share. I've read a few of Ayn Rand's books (yep, I know she rejects the label libertarian but that's what she was essentially) and respect her rants against state encroachment but she never addresses the issue that wealth gets concentrated in elites. Here in the UK they've been able to ascertain, using DNA analysis, that most of the wealth of the country is in the hands of people who can trace their roots back to the Norman Conquest in 1066! That make it the longest military occupation in history! You can't ignore brute facts like that. But although I sympathise with the left's concern with poverty (I've been at the bottom of the pile myself in the past and even today can count drug addicts and seriously fucked-up people amongst my friends) the over-riding priority for me has always been individual freedom - and that was also the case when all I had to eat (as a latter-day hippie) was onion sandwiches and I was sleeping on a mattress rescued from a rubbish tip! I think the thing that really pisses me off about present-day lefties is the white-guilt crap. Yes, I know the British Empire once controlled a quarter of the world (and I admit to feeling slightly smug and amused about that fact!) but that was before I was born, and just as I always treat individuals as individuals I demand that they treat me the same. And if they don't - screw 'em! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Regardless, I wouldn't allow myself to be placed on a political spectrum. My heroes are all renegades. Some are lefties like Blake, Shelley, old Tim Leary and Robert Anton Wilson; some are on the individualist right like Aleister Crowley, the Marquis de Sade (really!) and Max Stirner. Perhaps you're more of a Libertarian? Do you have those in the U.K.?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
there are a lot of stupid mother fuckers out there with guns who don't know how to use them responsibly and Zimmerman is one of them - if he hadn't been trying to play cop, Martin would be alive today. As someone who has used .22's, .38's, .357 Magnums and has fired my brothers SKS and his model 1894 Winchester (and others) I say that ownership of firearms here in the US is an unfortunate necessity for many, but one should know when and how to use them. I do. Zimmerman doesn't and a young man is dead because of Zimmerman's stupidity. He should be in jail tonight. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. He stopped and said OK and lost sight of Trayvon. He then walked down a walk way to get an address to give dispatch so police would know the exact location. On his way back to his car, Trayvon jumped out and asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no, I don't have a problem and Trayvon said now you do and sucker punched him in the nose, knocking him to the ground, jumping on him and pinning him down, pounding Zimmerman with his fists and banging his head on concrete. The evidence is in Zimmerman's injuries to his face, back of his head, grass and water on his back and eyewitnesses who saw Trayvon on top of him. The media has been less than honest with this case and has tried to deceive people early on. NBC was even caught editing 911 calls to make Zimmerman look as if he were racially profiling. He looks black was only said AFTER 911 dispatch had asked for the race of the suspect. Before that, Zimmerman had not mentioned race in his call to 911. As I've said earlier, this was meant to start the *great race dialog* the nation was supposed to have, the one that was intended with Louis Gates. Remember when the President said I don't know the facts, but the police acted stupidly. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. God, I hope not. The media keeps trying to set- up the racial dialog but it keeps backfiring in their faces. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 09:34 AM, Seraphita wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. Fact is even some conservatives don't feel that Zimmerman should have followed Martin and should have followed what the police dispatcher told him to do. Zimmerman is too much like the cowboy cops that many conservatives disdain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Who'd have thunk it?: I remember my dad saying once, when the family was watching Star Trek on the box, Why don't they just put Spock in charge of the Enterprise? None of us could think of a rebuttal. Spock's the one who relied on logic - none of this touchy-feely nonsense. As Plato pleaded in The Republic isn't that the kind of man (women were excluded according to the Divine Plato) we want in leadership positions? On the other hand, I do find these (fabricated) crop circles rather pleasing. Nothing wrong with a bit of fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: So Brits are like Vulcans then - British Vulcans - who would-a thought it?! Now we know who is doing all the crop circles that Nabby gets so worked up about.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
Oh and by the way, stupid people generally don't learn well, if at all. It won't be long till Zimmerman is in trouble with the law again. Wait and see. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. Bhairitu, you are a victim of what the media has been trying to convince everyone of, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. He followed him and THEN was told not to when 911 heard him out of breath. They said we don't need you to do that. He stopped and said OK and lost sight of Trayvon. He then walked down a walk way to get an address to give dispatch so police would know the exact location. On his way back to his car, Trayvon jumped out and asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no, I don't have a problem and Trayvon said now you do and sucker punched him in the nose, knocking him to the ground, jumping on him and pinning him down, pounding Zimmerman with his fists and banging his head on concrete. The evidence is in Zimmerman's injuries to his face, back of his head, grass and water on his back and eyewitnesses who saw Trayvon on top of him. The media has been less than honest with this case and has tried to deceive people early on. NBC was even caught editing 911 calls to make Zimmerman look as if he were racially profiling. He looks black was only said AFTER 911 dispatch had asked for the race of the suspect. Before that, Zimmerman had not mentioned race in his call to 911. As I've said earlier, this was meant to start the *great race dialog* the nation was supposed to have, the one that was intended with Louis Gates. Remember when the President said I don't know the facts, but the police acted stupidly. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. God, I hope not. The media keeps trying to set- up the racial dialog but it keeps backfiring in their faces. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it. On 07/13/2013 09:34 AM, Seraphita wrote: Thanks for the sane - and reasoned - response (as opposed to the childish rants of the other posters). Photographs of Zimmerman taken at the time of the incident show he suffered a terrifying assault. Let's support the real victims not the knuckle-dragging thugs. I see you guys in Iowa can get concealed-carry permits for handguns. In the unlikely event Zimmerman is freed you may need one when the rent-a-mob rioters hit the streets. :-) And the old fart in the vid is clearly suffering symptoms of heavy unstressing. He needs to get to a TM check. Fact is even some conservatives don't feel that Zimmerman should have followed Martin and should have followed what the police dispatcher told him to do. Zimmerman is too much like the cowboy cops that many conservatives disdain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The George Zimmerman case: Steyn nails it.
This guy is just your average, stupid, run of the mill racist. Why so impressed, or have you successfully hidden your glue sniffing habit from us? The one guy had a gun. The other guy didn't. Are we done yet? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: When conservative commentator Mark Steyn is on form he can pen some of the best journalism on the web. I'm in awe at his piece about the George Zimmerman stitch-up. Read it and weep. http://tinyurl.com/qxadrqa
