Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood
and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't
I never said that you were evil.
But I think who ever is running this shelter is severely uninformed..@
best.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is
one thing altogether.
Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving
them a death sentence.
While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells
everyone,
We do the
But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been
vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing
that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If
anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much
On 9/24/07, janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, but only a cat would have to choose between
amputaion or death.
I see no difference with this logic and killing cats
who test positive.
Catsinternational.org (also based in the midwest) has
thankfully updated their page on declawing.
The person who is running the shelter is a veterinarian who is very
well regarded in the rescue world. I guess that a veterinarian
*could* be uninformed, but I find it hard to believe that someone who
spent a great deal of her own time and money working to place homeless
animals *would* be
Hey Sherry,
I think that she does say no (a lot) and that's a good thing...I know
when I was trying to find a place for a FELV+ kitty from TX
MaryChristine told me that Dr. Jen only takes FELV+ cats in from her
own state and that there is a waiting list of 35 or 40 cats.
On 9/24/07, Sherry
Wow! A lot happened since I left work last night! I think Beth said it
correctly, that we are all a bunch of crazy cat ladies (and a few men). I
think that because our passions run so high for these kitties, that we are
all the more passionate about these issues. I'm glad to see that people are
Well, I know several people /groups that are well regarded in the rescue
world, and they have LOTS of dirty laundry,to say the least, @ best.
And the only thing that keeps me from getting involved in their mess is the
fact that cats would confiscated die.
I am working on about 3 separate
Sorry, the hellholecomment was not meant to go to the list.
My mistake (yes,even I make them).
However, I standby my opinion.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
I absolutely think it is important we all decide who to support,
according to our values:)
On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I know several people /groups that are well regarded in the rescue
world, and they have LOTS of dirty laundry,to say the least, @ best.
And the
From the website: http://www.crashslanding.org/
Welcome to CRASH'S LANDING! We are a NON-PROFIT, no-kill Cat Rescue
Placement Center located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. As we are owned
and operated by a veterinarian, Dr. Jennifer Petrovich, DVM, all cats
in our custody are tested for FIV,
I'm really jealous of her facility:
http://www.crashslanding.org/Pages/crash_cheese.html
On 9/25/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to get into the all or nothing conversation but I do want to
mention that throws, especially loosely knit ones, put in strategic places
saves
EXACTLY, KEL, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF US WHO REALLY KNOW ABOUT FELV AND FIV
HAVE LEFT THIS LIST AND RECONVENED ELSEWHERE--WHERE VALUES AND GOOD
INFORMATION AND LOVING SUPPORT ARE THE VALUES.
On 9/25/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I absolutely think it is important we all decide who
you haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, AS USUAL.
you're down in texas, and sherry and i are up here in michigan. i lived for
two years at an FIV/FeLV sanctuary about an hour and a half from crash's
landing, and neither place has ANYTHING in common with the HOARDER
situations you are
I guess the fact that I helped people intake and house (myself too) cats from
ARC, FLOCK Wild Cat Ranch counts for nothing in this conversation.
And yes, my group took cats from AngelWings also.
Not many, but what we could @ the time.
And no one said that Sherry was stupid for wanting to
I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site
adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and
totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator
and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little
It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens.
Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl.
It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already.
On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated
Hi Caroline,
They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out
the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to
their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help
rebuild the good gut bacteria.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Tue, 25 Sep
Hi Caroline,
I was thinking about you and the kitties. I'm glad to have a new topic to
discuss-thanks!
Anyway, I gather from your post that they didn't have diarrhea before or
soft stools right? I know my vet told me the antibiotics can cause diarrhea.
We had Ashley on Clavomox because of
I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from
another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting
proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they
came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know
Caroline,
In my previous post, I mentioned how it took Ashley two weeks to get better
after the antibiotics had made it through. We had an appointment at the vet
scheduled for 2 weeks after finishing the medicine (to take stool samples),
but it turned out that she didn't need to go in since
Thanks Melissa. I don't have a digital camera- other than a webcam. Have to
borrow my mom's and she has come over to take a few pictures of them, so once
she gets them loaded, I will post those. These kittens are hilarious...I think
it's the group dynamic. One one one with me, away from
Oh the smell of kitten poo!
What a good idea about the before pictures. We just got Penelope 2 weeks
ago, and already she's changed and grown so much! I can't believe the
progress! She was so bony and her hips and spine were sticking out so badly
that I thought it would take longer to get
Hi Caroline,
Have the little kittens had a fecal yet?
If not, I recommend getting one performed.
Coccidia, Giardia spirokettes(?) are all possibilities.
Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one
of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can
They will need @ least 2 dewormings, 2 weeks apart.
The only worm that you *normally* see is tapes,so,they could still have worms
if the eggs have hatched since the last deworming.
I would take them in for fecal, just to be safe.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
Bad diarrhea smellis usually a sign of coccidia.
P.U.!
Satan's Minions,how funny!
I have a cat named Minion.
She's mommy's Little Minion AKAS Bay-Bay.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
Janine,
I'm very sorry to hear that Lovey and Perry had to leave you. Bless you for
caring for them.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
- Original Message
Tracy,
I'm so sorry to hear about Sylvester and CW. Prayers going out for your
comfort.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
- Original Message
From:
I think those of you who have reconvened on another list are needed here to
educate those who don't know as much as you do.
tonya
MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
EXACTLY, KEL, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF US WHO REALLY KNOW ABOUT FELV AND FIV
HAVE LEFT THIS LIST AND RECONVENED
Thank you Kelley. All issues are not black and white.
t
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/23/07, glenda Goodman wrote:
Oh well, we are just talking about cats here, so
whatever we need to do to them, so they can please us
humans, is all that really matters, right?
Glenda
No,
Maybe it could be said in a nicer way... but it needs to be said. If
you go to another list who will clarify these things?
t
MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, AS USUAL.
you're down in texas, and sherry and i are up here in
I think the antibiotics could still be causing some problems in the system
causing diarrhea. I have a cat who's still having problems and has been off
the antibiotics for 2 weeks. Also, you might try mixing some canned pumpkin
(not pumpkin pie) to the wet food. Pumpkin seems to help with
You might call around and look for an internist or homeopathic vet that is
willing to treat leukemia positives, and be positive about the outcome. How
old is Autumn? It sounds like she might need to be getting fluids. I'm sure
others can offer more suggestions.
Best of luck for little
I agree, but Sherry's vet does so much good for the cats. You have to pick
your battles. I'm sure Sherry has discussed declawing with Dr. Jen. I'm sure
the doctor knows about the downside/problems associated with declawing. She
has made a decision to declaw. It's her sanctuary. It's her
Probiotics! That's what I couldn't think of. It's late!
t
Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Caroline,
They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out
the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to
their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt
Many people on this list mix fiv and felv positive cats. With no transmission
I might add. Could you ask your questions in a less confrontational manner?
t
Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WHAT?
This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
What kind
If it smells really, distinctively bad, it could be coccidia... I still
agree with the others that it's the antibiotics, and it needs some time.
t
Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I agree. And not to gross everyone out there's a difference between constant,
runny diarrhea (that could cause dehydration and warrant a vet visit) and loose
stools when they normally would go anyway. Does that make sense? If they are
going all the time and it's watery, check for hydration.
Glenda,
In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with
fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation. Now cats do test initially
sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem.
It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
It is not irresponsible, and the way you word your comments certainly doesn't
bring people around to your point of view.
t
Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to
Sherry,
You have nothing to defend.
t
Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's
landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a
big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and
I think it's pretty out in the open now. Susan and Glenda tend to judge others
on the list. This is OUR list. We can ignore and correct misinformation when
it comes from anyone. This has always been THE most supportive and informative
list I have ever been on. Let's not lose the list due
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