RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-06 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: since we are now agnostic as pertains to the lowlevel OpenGL initialization routines I don't see why the choice of OpenGL toolkit used couldn't just be an option Uh, that's the whole point. What would you prefer, if not SDL? If you want to write

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-06 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I understand that there are (or at least were) issues between SDL and cygwin, but perhaps it would be more productive to address that problem directly ... I haven't heard of any one not being able to compile CVS FGFS because of GLUT but this is not the point I am

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-06 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman wrote: Out of curiosity what can't you do today that would make FlightGear better because we are using GLUT that you would do differently today if we were using SDL and what exactly is it that would make FGFS better. Off the top of my head: + Build out of

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-06 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I understand that there are (or at least were) issues between SDL and cygwin, but perhaps it would be more productive to address that problem directly ... Ah. I honestly didn't know this. short memory :-)

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ok, since you have your head into this at the moment: With X11, is it possible to run an SDL app in window (so it behaves well with the window manger) but in a window that fills the entire screen and is undecorated (so it looks full screen)?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] MingW and FlightGear

2004-04-12 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: Can anyone tell me if FlightGear has been successfully compiled and linked using mingw? Before Fred started providing MSVC compiled executables IIRC the the only Win32 executables ever available for download from flightgear.org were MingW compiled. What problems are you

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-14 Thread Norman Vine
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Spott Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation Norman Vine wrote: FWIW I would be much more excited

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-14 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Norman Vine wrote: FWIW I would be much more excited about this if we were switching to a library designed for highend simulations such as OpenProducer which by the way also has a portable threading library OpenThreads this aims at OpenSceneGraph - doesn't

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] The Pause with 9.4

2004-04-16 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Durk Talsma wrote: I vote in favor of enabling threads. I've ran FlightGear for ten hours, with threads enabled, without any problems. In addition, it's probably a good time to do this now, just after a release. Because enabling threading now in cvs will give

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and Geometry

2004-04-17 Thread Norman Vine
Jonathan writes: does anyone know an easy way to get the geometry polygon on the ground under an aircraft? Probably easiest to add a public method to the tilemgr to get access to the hitlist maybe something like FGHitList *getHitlist() { return hit_list; } Then something like the

[Flightgear-devel] Fw: No-cost optimizing VC 7.1

2004-04-17 Thread Norman Vine
FYI Thanks to David Abrahams for passing on this info: a free optimizing cmdline VC 7.1 has been released by MS: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ The 32MB download appears to contain much of the meat of Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional, including the compiler,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build process fails under Cygwin

2004-04-18 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Jon Berndt writes: Have the build process files changed at all for plib and simgear? Not that I know of Now, this could also be due (and is more likely to be due) to changes in my **CygWin** environment, and the tools I use there. In any case, as far

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building FlightGear / getting some errors

2004-04-18 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: When building FlightGear (and my setup in CygWin is now building plib and SimGear just fine), when I get to the YASim directory, I get these errors: g++ -D_REENTRANT -L/usr/local/lib -o yasim.exe yasim-test.o Airplane.o Atmosphere.o ControlMap.o FGFDM.o Gear.o Glue.o

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building FlightGear / getting some errors

2004-04-19 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Giles Robertson wrote: Not that I've noticed. It would be useful for mingw32. I've tried building on that, and it compiles fine, but the linker fails because the input is too long ;). The linker fails with long file lists? That sounds odd -- The Windows cmd shell

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building FlightGear / getting some errors

2004-04-20 Thread Norman Vine
Innis Cunningham writes: Giles Robertson writes Ah. Thanks. I'll try that. I was hoping to try and get along with something slightly less stodgy than Cygwin, though. I was also hoping to use MSYS so that I didn't need to use Cygwin or a windows IDE to produce the makefile. I've always

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL - http://www.openal.org

2004-04-21 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I have an application in the pipeline where I'll need to play left engine sound out of the left speaker and right engine sound out of the right ... hopefully resulting in the proper effect when an engine goes out. As far as I know, this is impossible to do

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-25 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Jon, you might also search for libopenal along with cygwin ... if cygwin packaged openal, I bet that is what they'd call it. Curt. That search appeared to be more productive initially, but nothing helpful has cropped up, yet. Jon, CygWin user - Help, Help! I'm

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-25 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: after getting the OPENAL CVS files cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvs-repository login (use password guest) cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvs-repository co openal OOPS I forgot the configure command then % cd $OPENAL % cd linux

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-27 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: I have *no* idea if it actually produces any sound as I don't have a sound board on my development system but after getting the OPENAL CVS files cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvs-repository login (use password guest) cvs

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL / Cygwin

2004-04-27 Thread Norman Vine
No idea if this will work or not but here is a binary OpenAL distribution of the core OpenAL files from the win directory Note you will need a recent Cygwin DLL to use these this is untested http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/fgfs/openal.tgz HTH Norman EXPORTS EAXGet @1 EAXSet @2

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: You need to re run configure before make I left this step out in my original msg :-( % ./configure % make % make test Norman I got a successful build. I tried running some of the also-successfully-built test programs: Nothing produced any

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
David Luff writes: On 4/28/04 at 4:10 AM Norman Vine wrote: Have you tried my partial build of the openal / win directory http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/fgfs/openal.tgz probably best to install this into /usr/local i.e. cd /usr/local tar -xzvf $PATH_TO/openal.tgz I've

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Norman Vine wrote: David Luff writes: On 4/28/04 at 4:10 AM Norman Vine wrote: Have you tried my partial build of the openal / win directory http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/fgfs/openal.tgz probably best to install this into /usr/local i.e

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
David Luff writes: Norman's libopenal32.a contains these functions, my libopenal.a doesn't, and these errors are hence fixed with Normans .a. However, Norman's libopenal32.a doesn't contain any alut* functions, which my libopenal.a does, so hence these errors are replaced with the _alut*

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: For those using CygWin, it's fatal at the moment. AFAICT It is fatal for those using any form of gcc on Win32. Oh well I guess there is always MSVC grin Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Flightgear-devel] FW: Should we require windows users to use tools that honor Unix lineendings? (Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] ATTENTION! cvs to subversiontransitiontomorrow)

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
FYI I will keep an eye out for any solution the Zope folks come up with as solving this will open up the possibility of using SVN instead of CVS. cross-platform-development-is-a-challenge'ly yrs Norman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
David Luff writes: On 4/28/04 at 10:09 AM Norman Vine wrote: I have rebuilt the opeal dll and replaced the one on my site http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/fgfs/openal.tgz This should export the required alut* funcs and it includes the Makefile I used Note you will need to use my

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: You have to admire Curt's methodology - fatally breaking the Cygwin build has certainly created a momentum to fix it, and presumably saved the time and hassle of riddling the sound code with ifdefs! This approach works only when there is a solution somewhere. From

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
David Luff writes: On 4/28/04 at 10:16 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote: Cygwin is a little bit different nut to crack. As I understand it, cygwin can link against any .dll out there so in theory it should be able to work with the standard openal SDK. This is only true for libraries with 'C'

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: Unfortunately I do not have the time to support the libraries I port so I do not submit them for inclusion with Cygwin but the official method of doing this is here http://cygwin.com/setup.html I suspect the OpenAL people should be the first ones

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-28 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: David Luff wrote: You have to admire Curt's methodology - fatally breaking the Cygwin build has certainly created a momentum to fix it, and presumably saved the time and hassle of riddling the sound code with ifdefs! He has proven to be a good student :-D Just

RE: [Flightgear-devel] mingw, sdl, openal (Andy goes to windows)

2004-04-29 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: I actually got interested in all this windows stuff yesterday (no, I can't explain why), and played around with getting it built. Here's the proof: http://plausible.org/andy/fgfs-mingw.zip [2.3 MB] Cool + There is no Win32 implementation of the simgear/threads

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenAL

2004-04-29 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: I downloaded the most recent CVS version, with the modifications already made, and I still get Config.status: creating \ .infig.status: error:cannot find input file. Hi Vivian, Was this a fresh CVS checkout or did you just refresh your existing files ? If the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] MinGW/cross-compiler writeup

2004-04-30 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Gunnstein Lye wrote: Thanks for the info. Do you really have to build separate binaries of gcc for each target? I thought I could use the same binary for linux (native) and windows (crosscompiling). Not to my knowledge. The code generation is more or less identical,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] MinGW/cross-compiler writeup

2004-04-30 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross wrote: You *can* do this with cygwin [...] The compiler supports a -mno-cygwin flag Unfortunately it turns out that cygwin doesn't install these tools under the conventional platform-program names (e.g. mingw32-gcc) To invoke

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: COLLISION DETECTION: possible or not?

2004-04-30 Thread Norman Vine
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Al West -- Friday 30 April 2004 20:05: Is collision detection part of the model/dynamics set per aircraft? Just I've been flying through the buildings in San Fran all afternoon in the bo105. Contact points are per model, but the behavior is AFAIK the same for

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: COLLISION DETECTION: possible or not?

2004-05-01 Thread Norman Vine
Wolfram Kuss writes: Also being able to fly through buildings isn't really such a problem, BTW, I remember at LinuxTag, when we taxied the Cessna and by chance sometimes came under the wing of the 747 of the scenery, then the Cessna would try to jump up and the program would crash. This

RE: [Flightgear-devel] COLLISION DETECTION: possible or not?

2004-05-01 Thread Norman Vine
Mathias Fröhlich writes: What this method 3 was meant to do is to minimize the callback traffic by having a FDM local tile cache and handling the actual queries to the elevation data and normals based on this cache. So, can somone help me out with a short descripion how flightgears surface

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: COLLISION DETECTION: possible or not?

2004-05-01 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Again, this is an artifact of the primitive collision handling. Ideally, every contact point would test against all scenery polygons without a notion of ground plane. That's simple to imagine, but for performance reasons a little hard to implement. Yes, the FDMs assume a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Heading error calculation [brain exercise]

2004-05-02 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Does anyone know of a simple algorithm to calculate the difference between the desired heading and the actual heading, where the angle is given in degrees from 0 to 260? The stipulations are that the result must be = 180. For example, you can go from 60 to 340 degrees

RE: [Flightgear-devel] COLLISION DETECTION

2004-05-02 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Erik Hofman wrote: There might be one step in between here, which I have been thinking of a bit. It would be easy to implement a bounding cylinder (2d collision detection) and only if there is a hit go to the bounding sphere. For me it looks like that approach would

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter

2004-05-02 Thread Norman Vine
Jonathan Richards writes: If anyone sent me an entry off-list, it would be a good idea to resend. Probably to English specific but the first thing I thought of Eagle Tails Note Tail and Tale are pronounced the same in English Tale: A recital of events or happenings; a report or

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cygwin and OpenAL

2004-05-14 Thread Norman Vine
Richard Bytheway Since the addition of OpenAL I have been having sporadic success building FlightGear on Win2K and Cygwin, but I think I now have is sussed. I first tried installing the Creative OpenAL SDK, but that didn't appear to help. I installed Norman's OpenAL stuff, and things

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Great Circle Nav question

2004-05-15 Thread Norman Vine
Durk Talsma writes: I'm trying to solve the following problem: Given the following: - latitude, longitude of departure - latitude, longitude of arrival - scheduled departure time - scheduled arrival time I want to calculate the current position of the aircraft , sssuming that it

RE: [Flightgear-devel] New contributor questions: taxiway and airportstuff; 3D building/landmark model stuff.

2004-05-16 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: Jim Wilson wrote: Lee Elliott said: Incidentally, I've noticed that although the random objects are placed randomly, they get placed in the same place each time I run fgfs - for example, as well as KSFO I also use EGLL for glide slope and landing testing and

[Flightgear-devel] FW: New snapshot 2004-05-16 available

2004-05-17 Thread Norman Vine
FYI This is used by the MingW and MSVC builds Norman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Johnson Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New snapshot 2004-05-16 available Dear all, Finally there is

[Flightgear-devel] Chris Waltham on Aeronautics and Fluids

2004-05-26 Thread Norman Vine
A couple of interesting 'links' here http://www.physics.ubc.ca/%7Ewaltham/aero.html Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] keyboard mapping

2004-05-27 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Yeah, you should be a politician. You're trying to change the whole thing by neglecting the historical perspective, stating 'we' while you're actually trying to say 'you guys' for trying to solve your problems. ROTFL :-) Norman

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autoconf, autoheader, automake, etc.

2004-05-29 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: I've looked in a few places, but can't find a definitive reference on automake, autoconf, etc. There don't seem to be any O'Reilly books on this, either! Anyone have any suggestions? A little dated but still very useful http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/ I usually just

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Terragear-devel] WGS84 offset

2004-06-01 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Hamish wrote: You might try re-projecting your data with PROJ.4's cs2cs program from www.remotesensing.org (although that site seems to be down right now), GDAL, /or a GIS like GRASS. ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/GIS/PostGIS/proj-4.4.8.tar.gz proj is what you

[Flightgear-devel] Fw: FlightGear/src/Scenery FGTileLoader.cxx, 1.7, 1.8

2004-06-06 Thread Norman Vine
Modified Files: FGTileLoader.cxx Log Message: Windows uses ';' instead of ':' as a path separator. Index: FGTileLoader.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Scenery/FGTileLoader.cxx,v retrieving

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Fw: FlightGear/src/Scenery FGTileLoader.cxx, 1.7, 1.8

2004-06-06 Thread Norman Vine
Alex Romosan writes: Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doesn't SGPath.apapend just do the right thing here ? i.e. there shouldn't be a need to do the ! #ifdef _MSC_VER ! tmp.append( ;); ! #else ! tmp.append( :); ! #endif kludge in the patch

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: FlightGear/src/Scenery FGTileLoader.cxx, 1.7, 1.8

2004-06-07 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: Modified Files: FGTileLoader.cxx Log Message: Windows uses ';' instead of ':' as a path separator. Index: FGTileLoader.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Scenery

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear BOF, Boston, June 30, 7pm-9pm

2004-06-12 Thread Norman Vine
Alex Perry writes: For people who might be in Boston (MA, USA) at the end of June: There will be a FlightGear Birds-Of-a-Feather (BOF) session [1] on Wednesday June 30 2004, 7pm to 9pm ... Hopefully I will be at the BOF Thanks for the headsup ! Norman

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - broken?

2004-06-14 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: I downloaded and built the CVS source code this morning (Monday) under Cygwin/Xp - it builds without error. I also downloaded the data. FGFS fails to run, stopping with: Adding subsystem Traffic Manager Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting ... Segmentation

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - broken?

2004-06-14 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: Norman Vine writes: I just updated FlightGear, SimGear and PLib from CVS and compiled all anew and I am not seeing this problem with Cygwin I did likewise. Looks like a local problem then. I was trying Andy Ross' cross compilation over the weekend

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dedicated visual channels

2004-06-14 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Is there any functionality currently built into FG to request that the mouse pointer be turned off or hidden. This would be useful for things like a dedicated visual channel. TurnCursorOff() in GUI / mouse.cxx Likewise, I quickly browsed through the source code

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dedicated visual channels

2004-06-14 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Norman Vine wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Is there any functionality currently built into FG to request that the mouse pointer be turned off or hidden. This would be useful for things like a dedicated visual channel. TurnCursorOff() in GUI

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Does changing paintjob/livery requirea duplicate aircraft?

2004-07-03 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: I think we need to push a patch to the plib developers list that optionally lets one specify the texture directory when loading a geometry file, but still default to the geometries own directory. see ssgLoad.cxx void ssgLoaderOptions::setModelDir ( const char *s

RE: [Flightgear-devel] status of aircraft carrier

2004-07-06 Thread Norman Vine
Mathias Fröhlich writes: To implement that efficient, I think that a FGInterface or some class in that area should cache this information and should provide an interface that could easily used to query some properties of the ground in the area of the aircraft. I wanted to start with code

RE: [Flightgear-devel] status of aircraft carrier

2004-07-06 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine write: This should be doable using the current hitlist mechanism and the current PLib code --untested but something like-- oops typo if (entity_hit entity_hit - isAKindOf ( ssgLeaf () ) ) this pseudo code should be ssgEntity *entity_hit = hitlist - get_entity

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Real Flight PLayback ?

2004-07-09 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Mat Churchill wrote: Hoping to pick up on flying lessons again and was wondering if I can record NMEA flight data of my lessons and play it back in FG ? To add to this does anyone know of a way of recording bank angle / glide path in a format usable by FG ?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 777 Model

2004-07-10 Thread Norman Vine
Ampere K. Hardraade writes: Anyway we can get the plib group to look into their method for rendering? Have at it ! Note PLib's scenegraph is SSG Simple Scene Graph Since this model is anything but simple IMO it doesn't really qualify for SSG Simple Scene Graph :-) Norman On July 10,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Real Flight PLayback ?

2004-07-11 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Not quite. The co-pilot does one thing (but one thing well from what I read). It keeps itself level with the horizon. That's it. It has no gyros. It fits inline between your receiver and your servos. So as I understand it, it will only kick in when you have

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot

2004-07-12 Thread Norman Vine
I have found this to be an excellent reference most of which is directly applicable to aircraft. MANEUVERING AND CONTROL OF MARINE VEHICLES by Michael S. Triantafyllou and Franz S. Hover Department of Ocean Engineering Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, Massachusetts USA

[Flightgear-devel] The Orange Book

2004-07-15 Thread Norman Vine
FYI A few months ago, the OpenGL Shading Language -- OpenGL's own high-level shading language for programming Graphics Processing Units (GPUs) -- was ratified by the Architectural Review Board (ARB) responsible for the development and extension of the OpenGL graphics API. The first real-world

[Flightgear-devel] FW: [Mapserver-users] Seek GPS mobile service experiment participants

2004-07-16 Thread Norman Vine
fyi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Changqing Zhou Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:57 PM To: MapServer Subject: [Mapserver-users] Seek GPS mobile service experiment participants This message is not directly related to map server;

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Ya, I see - and somehow even gotta agree ... having meanwhile tried to summarize the Nasal extensions that I would *minimally* need, Hey I've got an idea ! Why don't you commission one of the FlightGear developers to write the extensions you seem to *need* and pay for

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Boris Koenig writes: Ya, I see - and somehow even gotta agree ... having meanwhile tried to summarize the Nasal extensions thatsee I would *minimally* need, _I_ don't *need* a certain extension, so which is it see quote above but rather would like to be

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic Bouvier writes: Also I noticed that in the 9.4 base the runfgfs bat file has been removed. Was there a reason for this. It has been supercede by fgrun that is much user frendly. Until fgrun is distributed with FGFS I 'vote' for the batch file being reinstalled in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic Bouvier writes: Norman Vine wrote: Frederic Bouvier writes: Also I noticed that in the 9.4 base the runfgfs bat file has been removed. Was there a reason for this. It has been supercede by fgrun that is much user frendly. Until fgrun is distributed

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederic Bouvier Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:20 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear I was too quick to press the reply button. I

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic Bouvier writes: FG is not using the latest features new cards are offering and the 'old' features are pretty maxed out now. This is not an explanation for worst performance but just for lack of improvement. In the meantime, you probably switched to another setup/resolution that can

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OpenAL for new build?

2004-07-22 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: Right now we are relying on Norman Vine's OpenAL files. We must just hope that Norman can find the tme to update when and if required. The Makefile I used is in my tarball and the only changes I made in the code are in the header files also in the tarball Note: You

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OpenAL for new build?

2004-07-22 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Right now we are relying on Norman Vine's OpenAL files. We must just hope that Norman can find the tme to update when and if required. The Makefile I used is in my tarball and the only changes I made in the code are in the header files also in the tarball Has

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Latest CVS Aborts

2004-07-23 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: You have to compile with -g to include debugging symbols so that the back trace makes sense. That said, the very few times I've tried to run gdb with flightgear on windows, I was never very successful. GDB might have some problems on 95,98 and WinMe, but runs fine

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 777 Model

2004-07-25 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: But, there seems to be a project related to openRT that is dedicated to developing the necessary hardware: http://www.saarcor.de/ This is a fascinating project but ... until these chips are as prevalent in consumer grade hardware as OpenGL cards are today, I think we

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Taildragger takeoff and landing

2004-07-28 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Well as a physicist (but with no formal aeronautical education), I always think of it as the wing is pushing air down, which causes an equal and opposite force (to quote Newton) of the air pushing the wing up. Hence acrobatic aircraft with symmettrical wings can

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Taildragger takeoff and landing

2004-07-28 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: My 2p on the 'does lift suck or blow', On more refined aerofoils most of the lift comes from the leading edge region, where the acceleration is highest, although some of the more recent 'super-critical' aerofoils produce lift further back. There again, while I'm

RE: [Flightgear-devel] lights flaring on runways in FG

2004-07-29 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: That would at least make sense if I don't find _any_ plib app where I achieve more than 10-15 FPS with the nvidia card ;-) I have many PLib applications that run at a rock steady 70hz, my screen refresh rate, on a NVIDIA GeForce 2 in a PIII 733 On the other hand I had

RE: [Flightgear-devel] create craters and smoke effect

2004-07-31 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: I mentioned primarily bzflag - cause it is based on SimGear Hmm .. very interesting . as bzflag predates SimGear ... could you please tell us your source of this information as I didn't see any mention of SimGear in a quick perusal of the bzflag source code

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Taildragger takeoff and landing

2004-07-31 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:48 -0400, Ampere wrote in message On July 28, 2004 03:06 pm, Jon S Berndt wrote: So, from the point of view of the horizontal stabilizor, that pesky downwash happens because wings really suck. ;-) I guess that's one

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: Frederic Bouvier writes: Is that from a recent download? I updated again this morning, and still get 166 if(cap 1) { continue; } 1 still doesn't seem to work with JBS models. I also have 1. Are you dowloading with the cvs client or with

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Mouse frozen after running fullscreen

2004-08-12 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Since I updated FlightGear a few days ago, my X Windows mouse has been frozen after exiting whenever FlightGear is in full-screen mode (there is no problem in window mode). Switching to a text console and back does not help -- I end up having to restart X. Any

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: BTW, I didn't find your change in the current CVS checout of the base package. Could you tell me the lines you changed ? The *base* package? I assume the location of the HTML file you changed is somewhere down in the base

RE: [Flightgear-devel] STL string and lowercase

2004-08-23 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Does anyone know a good algorithm to take an STL string to lower case? **untested** char *strlwr (char * a) { char *ret = a; while (*a != '\0') { if (isupper (*a)) *a = tolower (*a); ++a; } return ret; } my_str = strlwr(my_str.c_str());

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear logged its first real flight!

2004-09-11 Thread Norman Vine
Arnt Karlsen writes: By the way, how did you made a movie out of Flight Gear playback? I've not done it yet. I'll read GPS data recorded during the real flight and send them to FG. Then I will vdo tape my PC screen. Olivier You might like to look into

RE: [Flightgear-devel] JSBsim with Solaris8/Sparc and GCC-3.4.1

2004-09-15 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Erik Hofman wrote: They really should be fabs() in both cases, both GetState() and GetTolerance() return a double instead of an int. Thanks ! Any idea why this doesn't show up on other platforms ? gcc is getting *much* pickier on the road to being c++ standards

RE: [Flightgear-devel] A voice for FG

2004-09-18 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: [OT:] (BTW: even without a locally installed search engine -several were suggested - for flightgear's mailing list archives on flightgear.org, it would be nice if the addresses to mail-archive.com could be added to http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html where you keep

RE: [Flightgear-devel] webpage update

2004-09-18 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Anyway - if I'm not terribly wrong you should have CVS access, FYI I do *not* have CVS write permission Best ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] dynamically modifiable menubar

2004-09-23 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Boris Koenig wrote: Also, I as an additional feature I was thinking of adding the funcitonality to auto-hide the menu after a pre-defined amount of time, so that it disappears automatically if the mouse is not in that area, and appears again when I move the mouse

RE: [Flightgear-devel] PropertyList - XML files - where to findthesources

2004-09-26 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic Bouvier writes: Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: However, there are two new issues: 1) While it wasn't a real problem to use easyxml.cxx's readXML to simply copy a XML file's structure to a particular node within the property tree, there doesn't seem to

[Flightgear-devel] FW: cygwin/x symantec antivirus conflict (fixed in snapshot?)

2004-10-11 Thread Norman Vine
headsup for Cygwin users someone running the current CVS files might want to check this out any negative results should be sent to the Cygwin List Norman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Faylor Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crease for ac3d files and speedup

2004-10-13 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I haven't looked closely at the display list stuff. Are we being careful to free the display lists when we free the associated objects and remove them from the scene graph? Is this something that plib should automatically handle (but maybe isn't because we are

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crease for ac3d files and speedup

2004-10-13 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: But to be honest I don't know that we actually ever used display lists, *unless* it was extremely early in the project before we got onboard with plib/ssg. Maybe it didn't make it into the CVS but I certainly used DLists in all the Windows executables I ever made

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: data/Protocolacms.xml, NONE, 1.1

2004-10-17 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Jon Berndt wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Add a protocol for the ACMS protocol which seems to be used as an output format for black-box data flight data. This configuration does not work directly since there is no FDM available that reads the accelerations from the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] hi res screen shots

2004-10-07 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I just committed a set of changes to move the hi res screen capture feature back towards a useable state. The hires screenshot snapper now uses the same render code as the normal res screen shot snapper which uses the same render code as the main program. That

RE: [Flightgear-devel] hi res screen shots

2004-10-07 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: I just committed a set of changes to move the hi res screen capture feature back towards a useable state. There are currently 2 issues that remain. If you select hi-res screen shot from the menu, that means the menu is active

RE: [Flightgear-devel] hi res screen shots

2004-10-07 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes These last couple weeks and months I've been getting hammered at work and at home. I've got a large and growing number of to-reply-to emails in my inbox. My hope is that someday I'll get caught up, but I'm not sure how that will ever happen. :-( The stuff that

RE: [Flightgear-devel] a vivid exampe for the guru syndrome (was:hi res screen shots)

2004-10-08 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Norman Vine wrote: I still sometimes wonder if those that post well meaning but uninformed suggestions have any idea .. Norman, that's gonna be my favorite in my collection so far ! :-) BTW, sgi.com mentions what I seemed to recall: http://techpubs.sgi.com

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