Follow up on a few items
I really had a good time last evening and I just wanted to say thank you again for the thoughtful gifts. I just hope you weren't all bored to tears by the Doctor Who episode, which probably gave David Tennant the least screen time of any episode he did, and that I didn't oversell the episode as one of my all-time favorites. My only complaint is that I feel more than a bit wasted from not enough sleep this morning because I *had* to get up by 7:30 to watch both the German Formula 1 Grand Prix race and today's Tour de France stage in the Pyrenees; many yawns this morning. But I wanted to follow up on a couple of things that came up in conversation. There are several brands of evaporative cooling cloth products (scarves, towels, head bands, hat and helmet liners), but the two leading brands seem to be Chill-Its (from a company called Ergodyne) and Frog Toggs, both of which are available from Amazon. Some customer reviews for each product do have some issues, but most reviewers seem to love the products (assuming that they are real customers and not shills). The beef rancher I was trying to think of is Simply Grazin, who actually raise certified organic pork, veal, and poultry in addition to beef (http://www.simplygrazin.com/about/). The 220 acre farm they lease is right on Rt. 206 and Opossum Rd. in Skillman, just south of the Montgomery Blooms nursery. They used to sell their products at the farm, but a couple of years ago opened a retail shop on Rt 518 in Blawenburg under the name Mallery's Grazin Meats (http://www.mallerysgrazinmeats.com/). Then they opened a second shop in the Knightsbridge Center in Hillsborough (that office/shop complex cattycorner from the Hillsborough Municipal Center and Library at South Branch Rd. and Beeckman Rd.) where they also operate Mallery's Eatery (http://eatery.mallerysgrazinmeats.com/), which serves breakfast and lunch daily. The news item I saw was apparently they they are now expanding to serve dinner one night a month with seating by reservation only--not too practical for a no-advanced-planning type like me. I first became aware of their beef when they were serving samples at a specialty foods festival that McCaffery's put on under a tent in the P'ton shopping center courtyard a couple of years ago, which Paul and Sara also went to. I've bought their meat at McCaffery's a couple of times since then--good, but not really exceptional, and pretty pricey. Maybe their retail meat shop might be a source for cooking suet (or pork fat to render into fresh lard), since they get all their cuts directly from the south Jersey organic meat processor/butcher they work with (Bringhurst's in Berlin)? Regarding Roku boxes for Ellen to stream video content from the Web to the TV, there are a couple of options depending on how high the HD needs to be (I'm not sure whether the TV is a 720p or 1080p). If the TV is only 720p, the most cost-effective model is the $50 Roku LT http://www.amazon.com/Roku-2450D-LT-Streaming-Player/dp/B008R7EVE4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-2keywords=roku which is even purple instead of black. Or for $10 more, you can get the Roku HD, which adds an instant replay feature on the remote and but has only purple highlights on a mostly black box http://www.amazon.com/Roku-2500R-HD-Streaming-Player/dp/B007KEZMX4/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-4keywords=roku If the TV is a 1080p screen, the same models will provide better-than-DVD quality, but to get full HD one would need to move up to the $80 Roku 2 XD http://www.amazon.com/Roku-XD-Streaming-Player-1080p/dp/B005CLPP8E/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-3keywords=roku If the TV doesn't have an available HDMI connector (I should have looked...) only the two lower cost, 720p models are relevant because they have RCA-type video and stereo audio connectors (the 2 XD has only HDMI). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Follow up on a few items
My apologies for the noise posting. The web version of Outlook that is the standard client for Hotmail has been acting very flaky lately and changed the addressee list with no input from me. This was supposed to go to my friends Ellen and Paul, but Outlook changed Pau's address to that of the framers list. -FR Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 17:12:55 -0700 From: generic...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Follow up on a few items To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com; ellen...@yahoo.com Huh? Did we miss something? *blink* Nadine I really had a good time last evening and I just wanted to say thank you again for the thoughtful gifts. I just hope you weren't all bored to tears by the Doctor Who episode, which probably gave David Tennant the least screen time of any episode he did, and that I didn't oversell the episode as one of my all-time favorites. My only complaint is that I feel more than a bit wasted from not enough sleep this morning because I *had* to get up by 7:30 to watch both the German Formula 1 Grand Prix race and today's Tour de France stage in the Pyrenees; many yawns this morning. But I wanted to follow up on a couple of things that came up in conversation. There are several brands of evaporative cooling cloth products (scarves, towels, head bands, hat and helmet liners), but the two leading brands seem to be Chill-Its (from a company called Ergodyne) and Frog Toggs, both of which are available from Amazon. Some customer reviews for each product do have some issues, but most reviewers seem to love the products (assuming that they are real customers and not shills). The beef rancher I was trying to think of is Simply Grazin, who actually raise certified organic pork, veal, and poultry in addition to beef (http://www.simplygrazin.com/about/). The 220 acre farm they lease is right on Rt. 206 and Opossum Rd. in Skillman, just south of the Montgomery Blooms nursery. They used to sell their products at the farm, but a couple of years ago opened a retail shop on Rt 518 in Blawenburg under the name Mallery's Grazin Meats (http://www.mallerysgrazinmeats.com/). Then they opened a second shop in the Knightsbridge Center in Hillsborough (that office/shop complex cattycorner from the Hillsborough Municipal Center and Library at South Branch Rd. and Beeckman Rd.) where they also operate Mallery's Eatery (http://eatery.mallerysgrazinmeats.com/), which serves breakfast and lunch daily. The news item I saw was apparently they they are now expanding to serve dinner one night a month with seating by reservation only--not too practical for a no-advanced-planning type like me. I first became aware of their beef when they were serving samples at a specialty foods festival that McCaffery's put on under a tent in the P'ton shopping center courtyard a couple of years ago, which Paul and Sara also went to. I've bought their meat at McCaffery's a couple of times since then--good, but not really exceptional, and pretty pricey. Maybe their retail meat shop might be a source for cooking suet (or pork fat to render into fresh lard), since they get all their cuts directly from the south Jersey organic meat processor/butcher they work with (Bringhurst's in Berlin)? Regarding Roku boxes for Ellen to stream video content from the Web to the TV, there are a couple of options depending on how high the HD needs to be (I'm not sure whether the TV is a 720p or 1080p). If the TV is only 720p, the most cost-effective model is the $50 Roku LT http://www.amazon.com/Roku-2450D-LT-Streaming-Player/dp/B008R7EVE4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-2keywords=roku which is even purple instead of black. Or for $10 more, you can get the Roku HD, which adds an instant replay feature on the remote and but has only purple highlights on a mostly black box http://www.amazon.com/Roku-2500R-HD-Streaming-Player/dp/B007KEZMX4/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-4keywords=roku If the TV is a 1080p screen, the same models will provide better-than-DVD quality, but to get full HD one would need to move up to the $80 Roku 2 XD http://www.amazon.com/Roku-XD-Streaming-Player-1080p/dp/B005CLPP8E/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1373207796sr=1-3keywords=roku If the TV doesn't have an available HDMI connector (I should have looked...) only the two lower cost, 720p models are relevant because they have RCA-type video and stereo audio connectors (the 2 XD has only HDMI). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
RE: Cleaning Character Formats
You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing Character Tag rather than Character Format in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for Character Format and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the Consider Case option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose Character Format... in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the Consider Case checkbox, check the Document radio button to check only the open document, and click Find. Usually, the Find Character Format dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a Specify the character format to find alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cleaning Character Formats
I just confirmed that Consider Case really is active in tag searches--peculiar but true. But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do *separate* searches for italic and Italic (and for ITALIC or any camel-case variations). But with Consider Case inactive, searching for italic return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with consider case ON, but only one search with consider case OFF. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:44:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Thanks, Fred, maybe I was confusing format and tag. I guess I do want both overrides and tags, though--I can use Silicon Prairie's Character Tools to find both. As it happens, there are instances of bad practices like Italic and italic, so case would be relevant in some instances. Thanks, Lin, for jogging my memory, too. I'll see if CudSpan tools can help as well. --Karen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing Character Tag rather than Character Format in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for Character Format and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the Consider Case option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose Character Format... in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the Consider Case checkbox, check the Document radio button to check only the open document, and click Find. Usually, the Find Character Format dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a Specify the character format to find alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A query regarding $paranum
I think the two things to look at are whether the properties for the $chapnum system variable are properly set up in the Numbering Properties sheet for each chapter, and whether you have done a Book Update to ensure that the numbering has properly set itself in each file for the book context. -Fred Ridder From: rsh...@iafrica.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: A query regarding $paranum Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:42:11 +0200 Dear Framers: My paranum variable is not spitting out the entire string of autonumbers. I am following Fred Ridder's post, viz. In the LOF file, on the LOF reference page, try changing the $paranumonly building block to $paranum. The $paranumonly building block is designed to pick up only the numbers (and any separators between the digits) and omit any other following content produced by the autonumbering format. In other words, it is specifically designed to *eliminate* the kind of extra characters you are trying to add. $paranum, by contrast, picks up the entire autonumbering string. -Fred Ridder But my chapter number variable embedded in the PGF is not answering to the helm. The $volnum works The number of the item works, But the $chapnum variable does not. Here is the PGF: V:Video: $volnum: $chapnum: n+:~ Here is the caption: every element respected Video: 4: 3:2:~The Company hospital Here is the result in the generated list of videos: Video: 4: 1: 2:~ The Company hospital..1879 What it should be is Video: 4: 2: 2:~ The Company hospital..1879 I am certain I am doing something wrong Rob Shell PC 8 Gbyte 3 terrabyte drives Windows 7 64 bit TCS 4 Creative suite CS4 Flash Professional ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)
But Matt's has two points that I think are completely valid. 1) The licensing model for Creative Suite does not apply to FrameMaker (yet?) so the discussion is either moot or off-topic for this list (or both). 2) Nothing new is being said. All of the posters on this topic are simply restating what they have said several times before. We get it. You don't like the pay-as-you-go licensing model and won't buy into it if and when FrameMaker converts to that kind of plan, so at some point after that you'll stop using FrameMaker for anything. I'm sure Adobe is aware that they will lose some percentage of their users if they convert their licensing model, but I'm sure they also believe that they will *gain* some new users who will be happy to license their products for a few months to see whether they work well for their purposes at a cost of a couple hundred dollars rather than having to fork out a kilobuck or more up-front. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:14:40 -0700 From: generic...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: OT!!!: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again) To: m...@mattrsullivan.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; framers@lists.frameusers.com And on the other side of the fence... I find it an interesting discussion. And I prefer to have it on this list since I don't participate in many other lists. Sorry, Matt, my vote is for keep it online. Nadine Bandwidth is measured also by the number of emails one can reasonably read (and respond to) in a given length of time. I can't be the only person who is tired of reading about reactions to the CS licensing model on this FrameMaker forum… I don't know anything about Adobe's plans. Everyone's time is worth (and costs) something…the time required to participate and/or read these discussions thus have a cost, so I'm asking... perhaps those with a keen interest in the topic could take the discussion of it offline or to a CS-oriented list until Adobe indicates this will affect FrameMaker? I'm happy to discuss this off-list, but as a courtesy, will be avoiding this thread (even more) going forward. -Matt On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: In this day and age, is Internet “bandwidth” use for text e-mails really an issue? J Plus, are you saying that you know/believe that FrameMaker is not going to be released as a cloud-based license model soon? Love to hear the news. And, in my opinion, btw, my discussion (feel free to call it whining perhaps? :)) on license cost/models of FrameMaker is fair game for this mailing list … Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't enter alpha character in text
The table that contains the ANSI 097 - lower-case alpha mapping is in the section titled Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets and the lower-case alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed Symbol set: graphic and name. What this tells you is that this character mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat if the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats. Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code, which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports the codepage that contains the character. -FR Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:12:25 -0500 From: ma...@verizon.net To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text Hi. I got the information from http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CD0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdfei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAwusg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNAsig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMgbvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped it would work for FM 10, too. Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets. Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will. On 07/19/13, Fred Ridderdocu...@hotmail.com wrote: Where did you get that 097 code point? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't enter alpha character in text
Where did you get that 097 code point? Decimal 097 (hex 0061) is actually the code point for a Latin lower-case a, and perhaps the instruction you cite assumed that you would format the character as Symbol font, which maps the Greek alphabet to the corresponding Latin alphabet code points and yields an alpha glyph in place of a Latin a glyph. But if you're using a Unicode font that supports the appropriate codepage, you should be able to use the code point for the proper Greek character, which is hex 03B1 (u+03B1). There are several ways to insert this character: You can use the Character palette (File Utilities Character Palette) You can use the File Utilities Hex Input commandYou can type it directly using the hex keypad mode described in the list last weekYou can copy the character from the Windows Character Map tool and paste it into the FrameMaker document. -Fred Ridder Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:17:34 -0500 From: ma...@verizon.net To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system. I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text. The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an x). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Discount on XSL Course
That may be, but XSL makes my brain bone hurt, big time. Maybe I'll just beat my head against the wall for a while and save myself even more money. -Fred Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:40:18 -0700 From: s...@leximation.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Discount on XSL Course Thanks Rick. This does look like a great class and the discount makes it even better. I've taken a class from G. Ken Holman and it was fantastic (never taken his online class, but this is a lot cheaper than the 5-day XSL-FO class I took from him). https://www.udemy.com/practical-transformation-using-xslt-and-xpath/ If you're interested in XSL, I'd jump on this one. ...scott On 7/19/13 1:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: I am not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but Ken Holman's excellent XSL class is available at a 75% discount on Udemy.com. The coupon code is HEATUP and the discount expires Monday. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey
It has also crashed for me on both of my attempts. But at least for me it crashed after less than 3 or 4 minutes. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:17:43 +0100 To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey At 08:26 + 19/7/13, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Adobe conducts a Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey. The link is below. If you want to vote for/against any specific licensing models, then here is the place to tell directly to Adobe. I have now tried to complete this survey twice, and both times it's crashed near the end. A big time-waster. Nice to see that one of the questions was about FrameMaker on Mac, though ;-) -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey
The company information section was actually the part where the survey kept failing for me. I took it as a sign and deleted the message announcing the survey so that I wouldn't be tempted to waste any more time. -FR From: sha...@anthrobytes.com To: pchristen...@ftportfolios.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:10:58 -0700 I like the part where you have to create an account, including password and give up info about your company. #Fail sharon Sharon Burton 951-369-8590 www.sharonburton.com Twitter: sharonburton Author of 8 Steps to Amazing Webinars, available on Amazon and bn.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:46 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey Glad to see question about FrameMaker on Macintosh. But -- spelling errors in the survey? Misleading layout? Not impressed, Adobe. Pat ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as sha...@anthrobytes.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sharon%40anthrobytes.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers
Richard has identified the most obvious potential cause for the problem you describe. But another possible cause is the change in the font metrics that occurs when you change from one printer driver to another. (This is the reasons for the infamous Font information has changed warning message.) FrameMaker obtains information on the precise width of every character in every font used in the document from the printer driver. When you change to a different driver (for example from a physical printer to the Adobe PDF virtual printer for PDF generation), there will always be some differences in the dimensions. These differences are usually very small and insignificant, but if you will have a line of text that is almost exactly the width of the text column even a tiny difference in metrics can make a visible difference on the page. If one printer has metrics that are a tiny bit smaller for some character(s) the line of characters might fit on a single line on the page; but if the metrics are a tiny bit larger on a different printer the line may be forced to break. A couple of additional line breaks on a page may push a table row or a graphic to the next page prematurely, and before you know it all your headings are on a different page than when you started. This used to happen all the time when printers usually had much lower resolution and the differences in font metrics were therefore larger in magnitude. There used to be a good reason for Frame's Font information has changed warning, and you may have run afoul of it here. (Note that this phenomenon was one of the reasons why Word documents used to be notorious for having pagination differences on different computers and sometimes between on-screen and printed versions.) If this is indeed what is going on, the solution is to switch to the printer driver you will use for the final output *before* you do the final Update Book operation to set the final pagination and generate the TOC to match. Or use a workflow or a plug-in like Sundorne's SetPrinter to *always* use Adobe PDF as the default printer for FrameMaker (assuming PDF is your final output). -Fred Ridder From: richard.co...@polycom.com To: david.mil...@drakesoftware.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:58:35 -0700 Subject: RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers David Millis wrote: This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC is incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts to go south. Make sure that generated lists are being regenerated when you update the book: 1) Select Edit Update Book. 2) In the Update Book dialog, make sure that Generate Table of Contents, Lists, and Indexes is selected. 3) Click Update. Offhand, I can't think of any other reason why page numbering would be incorrect starting in the middle of a file. But if that doesn't fix it, maybe somebody else will have an idea. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adding structured files into a book yields the wrong order in the structure
The strange, mostly inverted order issue you are seeing has always existed in FrameMaker ever since Windows allowed selection of multiple files in file dialogs. Adobe has always stated that the issue is caused by the way Windows passes the file pointers to applications, which is not the same as the order in which the user selects them. But I have no answer for the new elements being inserted in the wrong location relative to the insertion point because I have very little experience with structured mode. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:57:49 + From: simon.b...@m-ais.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Adding structured files into a book yields the wrong order in the structure Dear Framers, This is a resend of my previous message - as I suspect the FrameUsers list doesn't allow for attachments - such as graphics - to be sent. I've been having a problem with adding FrameMaker structured documents into a structured book, and I wonder if any of you guys have experienced the same or similar effect. FWIW, I'm using FrameMaker 10, running on Windows7 - both with the latest patches installed. The files are organised in sub-section documents, such as ENR_3_3_en.fm being the ENR 3.3 document, and sub-sub-section documents having additional numbering, such as: ENR_3_3_1_en.fm If I select a range of documents in an explorer window, and drag the documents inside the book file, I appear to be able to get the whole structure of the document messed up. I dragged the files to be after the ENR_3_3_en.fm document, and before the ENR_3_4_en.fm document. The book file appears to have the documents in the correct order ENR_3_3_en.fm, followed by ENR_3_3_1_en.fm, ENR_3_3_2_en.fm, ENR_3_3_3_en.fm, etc. but the structure view shows that they are located after the ENR_3_5_en.fm document! The effect of adding these documents gets even stranger when I noticed that the ENR_3_4_en.fm, ENR_3_5_en.fm, and ENR_3_6_en.fm - which were in the correct order before the drag-drop function, are somehow reversed. If I try rearranging some of the files in the structure view window, I have seen FrameMaker crash a few times. I managed to add the files in the correct order by: a. move the insertion pointer in the structure view b. select the FrameMaker Add Files... menu item c. In the Add Files to book dialog, with the details being shown: reserve the Name sort order in the Windows dialog, so it shows Z - A ordering d. select the second file in the reversed order [e.g. the y file] e. shift-select the last file in the reversed order [e.g. the a file] f. control-select the first file in the reversed order [e.g. the z file] ... but even with this, I found that FrameMaker added the files into the book 2 elements after where I had moved the insertion pointer. Has anyone else observed these behaviours before? // Simon BUCH -- M-AIS // [still working with FrameMaker after all these years] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Nobody--including Adobe--can say with any certainty that perpetual licenses (as opposed to monthly or annual subscription licenses) will even exist in a couple of years. Do you think that anybody could have told you two years ago what the terms would be for a TCS subscription license today? If you know someone with a crystal ball that is that good, you should be asking them for stock tips and not fretting pointlessly about license policies that haven't yet been formulated. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:37:37 +1200 From: rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you goback to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later? Hi everyone I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame me at once). Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our upgrade chain. Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into the TCS? Thanks! Rebecca ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!
But the application is not the only thing using memory. Even if a 32-bit application can only address 4 GB, any additional installed memory can still be used by the OS and by other processes if a 64-bit OS is being used. Having more than 4 GB means that a 32-bit application will have a lot less contention for memory resources even if it can only access 1/2 or 1/3 of the total memory available to the OS. -Fred Ridder Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:23:55 +1200 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com From: hele...@iinet.net.au Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM! At 01:32 a.m. 10/08/2013, Rick Quatro wrote: Otherwise, make sure the writers have plenty of RAM. In my opinion, 8 GB is the minimum. This may help with the performance problems. More than 4 GB of RAM is of absolutely no use for running a 32-bit application, whether it be on a 32-bit or 64-bit operating system. Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Chapter numbers
What you describe is true because the continue from previous file in book numbering option is not a property of a chapter file. Because that option only has relevance when the file is part of a book, the behavior can only be set as part of the book file's properties. This logic allows the same chapter file to be used independently (with the numbering properties that are set within the file itself), or to be used in any number of different book files, each with its own numbering setup. -Fred Ridder From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Chapter numbers Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 08:52:39 + Ah – solved my own problem with help of ‘Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured Framemaker’. Set the numbering to continue from previous page in book. I don’t know why this wasn’t set in my original template. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent Sent: 08 August 2013 21:16 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Chapter numbers I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter number style defined - it's used on the header. This works fine in the original book. When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers don't update. Why could this be? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!
You seem to have missed my point completely. The purpose of my posting was to refute the categorical statement made by another poster that More than 4 GB of RAM is of absolutely no use for running a 32-bit application, whether it be on a 32-bit or 64-bit operating system. Of course it is true that one of the most basic functions of an OS is memory management. I said nothing that disagrees with that. -Fred Ridder From: david.da...@invensys.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 04:29:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM! Fred, one of the most basic functions of an operating system is to be able to manage memory (without crashing!) :) Simply because applications might all want more memory on the go at one time than is physically available, should not mean that anything crashes! It gets paged in and out. Windows 7, indeed, has more robust sandboxing of memory usage between apps than Windows XP. The idea that you gotta have 8GB of RAM otherwise Frame will crash is a bit sweeping! David Message: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 14:37:29 -0400 From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com To: Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM! Message-ID: bay171-w98706b7f8ec1559036865cba...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 But the application is not the only thing using memory. Even if a 32-bit application can only address 4 GB, any additional installed memory can still be used by the OS and by other processes if a 64-bit OS is being used. Having more than 4 GB means that a 32-bit application will have a lot less contention for memory resources even if it can only access 1/2 or 1/3 of the total memory available to the OS. -Fred Ridder Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:23:55 +1200 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com From: hele...@iinet.net.au Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM! At 01:32 a.m. 10/08/2013, Rick Quatro wrote: Otherwise, make sure the writers have plenty of RAM. In my opinion, 8 GB is the minimum. This may help with the performance problems. More than 4 GB of RAM is of absolutely no use for running a 32-bit application, whether it be on a 32-bit or 64-bit operating system. Helen *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect?
You posting seems to reflect several small misconceptions about how FrameMaker works. Let me see if I can address them one at a time. First, a single unavailable fonts message in one file can, in fact, also be the cause of subsequent unresolved cross-references messages in other files. When you open any file that contains cross-references, FrameMaker attempts to refresh all of those references by looking at each target location and grabbing the current text string and numbering properties (autonumbering and page numbering). If any of those cross-references point to locations that are in other files, FM has to silently open each of those files to refresh the references. But if a target file has an unavailable font condition, that error prevents FM from completing the silent open operation that is necessary to resolve the cross-reference. The result is an unresolved cross-reference message. But note that if the file with the unavailable font condition is already open when you open the file that refers to it, you will *not* get an unresolved message because FM doesn't need to do a silent open. Second, FrameMaker *does* report which fonts are unavailable, but does not do it in the warning message itself. Instead, you have to look in the FrameMaker console window, which most of us are in the habit of ignoring or dismissing without bothering to read it. Third, the unavailable font does not have to be applied to any content that appears in the body of the document to cause the warning message. It is enough for the font to be specified in the definition of some format that you don't actually use, and this font specification can be in any of your catalogs--a character format, a paragraph format, a cross-reference format, or a table format. Table formats are a particular problem because each format definition invisibly embeds the character and paragraph formatting for the table title, and for each cell in the heading row, the footing row, and the first body row of the table that was the prototype when the format was defined; you will never be able to find these using the FM GUI unless you create an instance of each table format that exists in your catalog. Unavailable fonts can also lurk on master pages and reference pages which are not examined when you do a find font operation (which only searches the context in the current view) or List of References operation (which only looks at body pages). They can even be hiding in certain types of graphic objects that contain font specifications (PDF, EPS, WMF, EMF). Fourth, to get rid of an unavailable fonts condition you need to *UN-check* the Remember Missing Font Names preference. Remembering the names means that FM will do a *temporary* substitution of an available font for an unavailable one, but will retain the original, unavailable font specification in the version of the file that it saves. What you need is for FM to *forget* the names of the unavailable fonts and save the file with the substituted font specifications. So the procedure would be: Open the offending file, dismissing the unavailable fonts warning.Examine the FrameMaker console to determine whether all of the substitutions FM has made are appropriate (e.g., no sans-serif font subbed for a serif, no text font subbed for a symbol or wingding font).Close the file.Turn OFF Remember Missing Font Names.Open the file. Notice that the warning message has changed, and that FrameMaker now warns you that it will be permanently *replacing* the fonts rather than substituting for them. Examine the file to make sure it looks OK.Save the file. Many people neglect to do this because they haven't made any explicit edits or format changes, but the font change will not take and be carried forward unless the file is saved after you let FM make the replacement.Turn Remember Missing Font Names back ON. (It is normally a very good idea not to reformat a file from a colleague or client to match your own less complete font library.)This *should* take care of the problem unless the bad font name is embedded in a graphic. Another approach that some users swear by is to save the offending file as MIF and then use a text editor to search for the names of the unavailable fonts, as reported in the FM console. After making the substitution with the font editor, the file is saved as MIF, then opened from FrameMaker and saved back to .fm file format. This approach still will not look inside graphics objects, but I have personally seen cases where the source .fm file contained a *completely* spurious font specification (for a Chinese font in my case) that was removed simply by passing it through the FM-MIF filter (i.e., the bad font was not findable in the the MIF file and was gone when the file was restored to .fm format). -Fred Ridder From: pascale.stephen...@upu.int To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect? Date: Wed, 14 Aug
RE: OT: Font suggestions for book?
Besides being a matter of taste (which really cannot be argued), font choice cannot be done intelligently without knowing *lot* of other information, such as: - medium of the deliverable (printed, PDF, HTML, eBook, etc.) - page size (if fixed, or range of page size if variable) - column width and point size (which together determine the point size range) - leading - nature of content (fiction, general non-fiction, scholarly writing, technical documentation, etc.) - natural organization of content (all text in long paragraphs vs. text blocks broken up by shorter paragraphs and/or lists vs. text with lots of tables and figures, etc.) What works well for the kind of technical content I work with most of the time (long, complex sentences but often fairly short paragraphs, and lots of tables and bulleted lists) is very different from what I would use for some of the general non-fiction I edit on the side. And neither of those correspond to what I prefer to see when I read fiction. If you asked this question over on the Techwr-l list, I'm sure you'd get a flood of highly opinionated answers. If you asked it on the copyeditors list, I think you'd get a handful of it depends answers similar to mine since there are some actual book designers on that list. But over here in the world of FrameMaker, I'm not sure that we have a lot of people who fancy themselves font fondlers. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: OT: Font suggestions for book? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:42:48 -0700 Hi everyone, I’m not sure whether this post went through, so I’m trying again. In the past, I’ve worked on writing, editing, and functional template design, but in general I’ve left “pretty stuff” such as font selection to others. So I really don’t know what fonts might be most readable, or most popular, or how to pair a body and a heading font, or the like. Of course, much is written all over the Internet, but I thought that here, there would be people with specific experience writing and publishing books. So that is why I have directed this inquiry here. I hope it’s okay. :) Thanks,ElchananFrom: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:22 PM To: Framers; Free Framers Subject: OT: Font suggestions for book? Greetings everyone, I’m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial … it’s a book about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work at all, but rather one designed to “wake up” American teens and young adults to some of the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback. All that having been said … What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most welcome. Well, thanks in advance! Best regards,Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect?
Quite right about SVG, David. I neglected to include SVG in my list because I have never actually used that format. The last time I experimented with SVGs--back in FM7, if I recall correctly--they weren't fully supported so I abandoned my attempt to use them. For the last several years, I have always used cropped PDFs whenever possible and have had very few issues with them. I do have personal experience with missing fonts messages caused by each of the four formats I mentioned. EMF and WMF are particularly troublesome because those formats only embed the font *name*, never any of the glyph outlines from the font itself, so the graphics are totally dependent on each system's complement of installed fonts. -Fred Ridder From: da...@davidartman.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; pascale.stephen...@upu.int; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:59:15 -0700 Excellent summary from Fred! I'll just add the (very minor) point that SVG graphics can have font information in them, too. If the font's glyphs used in the SVG's aren't embedded, that would trigger this FM error. Original Message Subject: RE: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect? From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com ... They can even be hiding in certain types of graphic objects that contain font specifications (PDF, EPS, WMF, EMF). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Font substitution
I posted a long and reasonably comprehensive discussion of this whole issue about a week and a half ago in response to a query from Pascale Stephenson with the subject Unavailable fonts message - incorrect?. You might want to look that up in the list archive, or if neither the archive nor a Google site search is working, I can forward you a copy. But to briefly address your specific issues: One partial solution to the problem generating a PDF when some files throe missing fonts messages is to open all the files in the book *before* you attempt to create the PDF. That way you will have already dismissed all the warning messages and none will remain to interrupt the PDF generation process. But I refer to this as only a partial solution because it can cause problems with the embedding of fonts in the PDF. The key to making the font substitution permanent is an option tucked away in the user preferences dialog: Remember missing font names. This option is enabled in a default FrameMaker installation, and what is does is to make the substitution for missing fonts on a *temporary* basis. While you are editing (or printing) the file, you will see the substituted fonts; but Frame remembers the original font specifications, and when you save the file Frame uses those *original* font names. To make the substitution permanently, you must disable the Remember missing font names preference*before* you open and resave the files. But you probably should re-enable the option once you are done fixing the specific set of files, because normally the remember behavior is very desirable. -Fred Ridder From: andrew.smit...@baesystems.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Font substitution Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:04:09 + Hi all I’m using Frame V7.1, working on a set of legacy documents that have come from another machine in a different age. Working within a book some of the files report missing fonts, an old chestnut I know. I can live with the fact that it’s substituting fonts but when I try to make a PDF of the book Frame reports that it cannot open the files, so it doesn’t make the PDF. There is really no scope for putting new fonts on the machine. What strikes me as odd is that, despite me having opened these files and resaving them, Frame still reports the fonts as missing, so any substitutions being made do not seem to be recorded. Manually changing the fonts in each format is not really an option as there are loads of formats and quite a few entries in the documents show the asterisk for overrides, so I don’t really want to go adjusting formats globally. So the questions is this; is there a way of telling Frame to make the font substitution permanent once I’ve opened and resaved the files or is there another solution that I’m not aware of? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Blocking local formatting when copying
One solution that I'm sure somebody will bring up is to edit the maker.ini file to alter the ClipboardFormatsPriorities item to put UNICODE TEXT and/or TEXT at the front of the list. That works beautifully when pasting content from an external file/document via the Windows clipboard, but I believe that it does not apply when copying (or cutting) and pasting within a FrameMaker document, when FrameMaker Interchange Format (which retains character formatting) is always used by default. Within a FrameMaker document, you have two options: 1) Use the EditPaste Special command to paste the copied content as Text rather than FrameMaker Interchange Format, which retains character formatting.This approach requires multiple moust clicks or multiple keyboard inputs to accomplish, so is kind of a PITA if you do this frequently. 2) Use one of the various paste plain text utilities to strip the character formatting before (or while) pasting. Two of the free tools I have used for this purpose are PureText and HovText, both of which work just fine. Most plain text utilities give you an icon in the system tray to convert the clipboard to plain text on demand, and most also let you designate a shortcut key combination to do the format stripping and pasting with a single command (I use the Windows key that is next to the Crtl key along with V for plain text paste). -Fred Ridder From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Blocking local formatting when copying Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:31:23 + When I copy text from, say, a heading, and past it into a Body paragraph, the font formatting from the heading is copied along with the text. Is there a hotkey to remove local formatting (overrides) or a way of avoiding this? Alastair Dent Technical Author Imagination Technologies Limited t: +44 (0)113 242 9814 www.imgtec.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: 'as is' option for conditional text
As is doesn't really *do* anything when you are applying conditions to content. It's really there as an indication that the selected text is not uniformly conditionalized. Some of the selection may have a condition applied while some of it is unconditional. Or there may be two (or more) conditions applied to different subsets of the selected text. When you're applying a specific condition, it's important to know whether you are about to clobber some other, (presumably) carefully applied conditionalization. -Fred Ridder From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: 'as is' option for conditional text Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:41:04 + What does the ‘as is’ option do when applying conditional text? Alastair Dent Technical Author Imagination Technologies Limited t: +44 (0)113 242 9814 www.imgtec.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [f2a] RE: Hypertext links not working
I think your problem may be in the use of a watched folder. The problem may be caused by the fact that the relative locations of the files in the watched folder is not the same as their relative locations in the directory structure of either the source directory or the target installation directory; the watched folder flattens the directory structure to a single level. I'd try two alternate approaches. 1) Create a watched folder directory structure that matches the source and target structures. 2) Print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer to create the PDF files directly in the target directory structure. -Fred Ridder Subject: RE: [f2a] RE: Hypertext links not working Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:59:37 -0700 From: dave.st...@gdc4s.com To: gail.ber...@bergan.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com 2013-08-26-01T16:00Z Gail – Yes, I print the book all at once to only one watched folder. I’m using File | Print Book… Separate File for Each Docu. The arrangement of the .fm files is the same as arrangement of the .pdf files is to be. This is the first time in _years_ that I’ve needed to do this, so it’s mighty perplexing. I, too, customarily print large books including tables of contents and indices and such. Those files are in only one folder, and I use File Single File. Everything works great. But not with the source and output files in different folders . . .. Regards,Dave StammInformation EngineerGeneral Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.™Fort Wayne, Indiana 46804-1552; UStel: 260-434-9620 fax: 260.434.9501 / 9509dave.st...@gdc4s.com http://www.gdc4s.com/ This message and / or attachments may include information subject to GDC4S S.P. 1.8.6 and GD Corporate Policy 07-105 and are intended to be accessed only by authorized recipients. Use, storage and transmission are governed by General Dynamics and its policies. Contractual restrictions apply to third parties. Recipients should refer to the policies or contract to determine proper handling. Unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the original message. From: Gail Bergan [mailto:gail.ber...@bergan.com] Sent: 2013-08-26-Monday 11:25 To: Stamm, David-P45904 Cc: i...@heiko-haida.de; framers@lists.frameusers.com; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [f2a] RE: Hypertext links not working Hi Dave, Is your begin_here.pdf being written to the same watched folder? I use a similar setup when producing my larger books (a Start.pdf file that has a large TOC that links to the individual chapter files). But I must write ALL files at once, including Start, hyperlinked Index, and individual chapters, from the book file so that relative links are not broken. When I test them in the Out folder, everything works, and then I can move them en masse to wherever the final files will reside. If I try to write the Start file by itself, then the Index by itself, or the chapters, I find I have broken links. I hope I understood your problem correctly and this helps. Gail-Sent from my iPad-Gail R. Bergan, PresidentBergan et al., Inc.413 So. Church St.Rockport, TX 78382361-727-2343 www.bergan.comwww.linkedin.com/pub/gail-bergan/30/aa6/391 On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:50 AM, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: 2013-08-26-01T12:50Z Tino – Thanks for your time, interest, and effort. Unfortunately, I failed to include in my original posting that I must produce _separate_ .pdf files. So, I still have the problem. After I print the book to separate files, I check a link while all the files are in [WatchedFolder] \ out. The links work great. Unfortunately, after I move “BEGIN_HERE.pdf” into its place and the other files into their place, the links don’t work. Please note that I’m posting this to the Frame-to-Acrobat list, too. Regards, Dave Stamm Information Engineer From: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de] Sent: 2013-08-23-Friday 11:31 To: Stamm, David-P45904; Framers Subject: Re: Hypertext links not working Hi Dave, I just set up some files according to your description, with hyperlinks from each target-file to the others and back to the BEGIN_HERE.fm. Well, I could see no problems within the files or in the pdf... (My files are mainly local, but I also copied the folder to an external drive for the test.) Just to make sure: If TargetA is one example for a named hyperlink-destination in file targetA.fm (and so on...), and BEGIN is the named destination in the file BEGIN_HERE.fm, the link options look like this: Link from BEGIN_HERE.fm to the other files: gotolink ABC_DEF/targetA.fm:TargetA (...and so forth for B, C, and D) Link from targetA.fm to targetB.fm: gotolink targetB.fm:TargetB Link from targetA.fm back
RE: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting
Performing an Update Book operation doesn't strip all formatting from existing TOC entries, because one of the first things it does is *delete* all TOC entries--all the paragraphs--so that it can rebuild the TOC on the legitimate assumption that some of them have changed or that the order or population of headings has changed. When it rebuilds the TOC it will use the formatting that you saved as the TOC file's paragraph catalog when you set up the formatting. But note that importing the paragraph formats from your chapter file to your TOC file probably will not produce the desired result because the TOC has its own set of unique formats. For example, your chapter files may have Heading1 and Heading2 styles, but the TOC needs to have Heading1TOC and Heading2TOC styles. If you do not have a paragraph catalog that has all the appropriate *TOC styles, the paragraphs that appear when Update Book regenerates the TOC will have default formatting, and this may be what you are seeing. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:43:30 -0700 Subject: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi Framers, Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries? I've already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered the text of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from the paragraph designer. Clicking default font doesn't restore applied formats. I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and don't change would have their formatting stripped out. This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it should! Thanks, --Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Disappearing Palette Items
Mike Wickham wrote: Reading the manual might help here. Good advice, but there hasn't been a FrameMaker manual since FM7. :) Well, I suppose that's true if you are talking about a printed and bound (dead tree) manual. But there certainly has been a PDF that calls itself tieh FrameMaker User Guide that is right there in the Documents folder within a standard FrameMaker installation. This is not to say that the manual is very comprehensive (it's not) or very useable (it's not, because the organization is not great and the index is useless). But it does exist, and it does cover some of the various issues that the OP has asked about. In general, the quality of the FrameMaker User Guide has gone steadily downhill since version 5.0, which was pre-Adobe. The manual shrank by about 30% for v5.5.6, and since then every addition to the manual seems to be offset by a similar sized deletion. Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
I was going to suggest this same workaround, but I thought I'd better test it before I recommended it since I have not used it since FM6 or maybe 7. I currently use FM9, and with this version (at least) the workaround doesn't work quite right. It does successfully leave the condition tag in effect for the new paragraph, since the new paragraph is not an empty paragraph due to the dummy character. But the new pilcrow at the end of the existing paragraph becomes unconditional, which *will* cause problems downstream because you'll wind up with vertical whitespace for every not-quite-fully-conditionalized paragraph. Bummer. -Fred Ridder From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: jzun...@protranslating.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:13 + Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter (making sure that the condition applies to this). From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga [jzun...@protranslating.com] Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53 To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) (framers@lists.frameusers.com) Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter? Hi Everyone, How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next. For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the conditional formatting in the new paragraph. I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible. Any help would be appreciated. Jaime ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
If I understand what you are suggesting, your workaround will only solve the problem with Alistair's workaround when there are exactly two conditional paragraphs in a row, because the problem I observed occurs *every* time you start a new conditionalized paragraph. The last paragraph in the chain will have a conditionalized pilcrow, but every other paragraph will be incompletely conditionalized and will produce vertical whitespace. You can kludge the immediately preceding non-conditionalized paragraph to suppress the first instance of whitespace as you suggest, but that doesn't really fix the problem. In fact, if the two paragraphs have different formatting, your workaround will actually *cause* problems because the unconditionalized paragraph will be formatted according to the pilcrow for the first conditional paragraph when you hide the condition. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:07:54 -0700 Fred et. al. (and particularly Al), I believe it works if you conditionalize the pilcrow preceding the conditional text. Now, I realize that this is an absurd solution from any user’s perspective, but in the land of a devolving product, if it works (i.e., eliminates that vertical white space) … :) Elchanan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:50 AM To: Alastair Dent; Jaime Zuniga; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter? I was going to suggest this same workaround, but I thought I'd better test it before I recommended it since I have not used it since FM6 or maybe 7. I currently use FM9, and with this version (at least) the workaround doesn't work quite right. It does successfully leave the condition tag in effect for the new paragraph, since the new paragraph is not an empty paragraph due to the dummy character. But the new pilcrow at the end of the existing paragraph becomes unconditional, which *will* cause problems downstream because you'll wind up with vertical whitespace for every not-quite-fully-conditionalized paragraph. Bummer. -Fred RidderFrom: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: jzun...@protranslating.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:13 +Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter (making sure that the condition applies to this).From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga [jzun...@protranslating.com] Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53 To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) (framers@lists.frameusers.com) Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?Hi Everyone, How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next. For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the conditional formatting in the new paragraph. I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible. Any help would be appreciated. Jaime ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Inserting inline graphics
For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it. It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable solutions. If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy. Cranky in New Jersey... -Fred Ridder From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 + Winfried, I could kiss you. That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion point. Do we have gold star awards for framers? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics Hi Alastair, I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text. Of course this depends always on your audience ... Why don't you do it this way? Copy the new icon. Place the cursor where you want it to have. Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V). Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press these keys one after the other. If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline. Create an object style with the correct distance and save it. Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click. Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame? After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics I'm using something like your suggested workflow. The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame. Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end user. -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30 To: Alastair Dent Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're usually all in one directory. Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste. I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a FrameScript macro. To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com wrote: I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job. This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alastair.d...@imgtec.com. Send list messages to framers
RE: Word and Frame comparisons
The answer is yes and no. *If* the paragraph has a specific style assigned to it, you can return the paragraph formatting to that of the defined style by pressing Ctrl+Q. And if you have the whole paragraph selected, you can return all the characters to the default formatting for the paragraph style by pressing Ctrl+Spacebar. But if the document uses locally formatted Normal style, all you'll get by using these keystrokes is the equivalent of plain text. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:04:25 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Word and Frame comparisons Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Autonumbers not auto-ing
You are using paragraph numbering for your chapter and appendix numbers, and apparently have the numbering properties for the files set up to reset in each chapter. This is what is you normally want/need to do for things like section/subsection numbers and for table titles and figure captions that use chapter-item numbering. But it is *not* what you want for chapter numbering. This is exactly why FrameMaker introduced the $chapnum (and companion $volnum) system variables in FM6. The reset behavior of these user variables is set completely independently from the paragraph numbering so that the chapters can continue to increment across all files in a book while the section/table/figure numbering resets to 1 in each chapter. To use these system variables, just use the $chapnum building block in the autonumber format for both of your paragraph tags (H1 Chapter and HA Appendix) in all files, and then set the *Chapter* tab of the Numbering properties sheet for each file *from the book file* as follows: First chapter set to Reset numbering and format set to Arabic numbering All other chapter files set to Continue from previous file in book and format set to Arabic numberingFirst appendix set to Reset numbering and format set to upper-case alphabeticAll other appendixes set to Continue from previous file in book and format set to upper-case alphabeticNote that this *must* be done from the book file, because the Continue from precious file in book option is not available for any individual file because it has no meaning for an isolated file, and that the Chapter tab of the numbering properties affects only the $chapnum system variable. Or, if it is actually the case that the *only* items that use autonumbering are your chapter and appendix titles, you can leave the paragraph autonumbering formats as they are and just set up the *Paragraph* tab of the Numbering properties sheet as outlined above for the Chapter tab (which now has no effect since you are not using the $chapnum variable). But note that if you take this approach and need to use some other chapter-level autonumbering, you will have to manually control the resetting of those numbering series in the autonumbering formats. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: FM 8: Autonumbers not auto-ing Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:33:20 -0700 Greetings, I have a paratag H1 Chapter with autonumber format ”S:Chapter n+” and a corresponding paratag HA Appendix with autonumber format “S:Appendix A+ for appendices (without the quotation marks, of course). :) When I place several chapters and appendices, each of which begins with this paratag, in a book and generate, the numbers don’t update. The ToC (or whatever) generates fine in every other respect, the text portion comes through, but the numbers do not update. Everything is “1”. Coincidentally (or perhaps not), these are the same paratags that don’t find their next paratag. Sigh … either I’m missing something very obvious, or something’s rotten in Denmark. And I like Denmark! Best to all,Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Turn on hyperlinks in URLs
How are you generating your PDF? Are you printing to a PostScript file and then distilling as per Robert Lauriston's recommended workaround for your missing Adobe PDF printer issue? If so, the key step he didn't mention is to make sure that the Generate Acrobat Data option in the Print Book dialog is selected. The Acrobat data this option is talking about includes bookmarks, hyperlinks for ToC entries and cross-references, and functioning hypertext commands like links to URLs. When you print to a physical printer, none of that data is included in the PostScript because it's meaningless to the output device. And if the data is not in the PostScript, there's no way for the associated links to work in the PDF. So when you're generating a PostScript file specifically to distill into PDF, you need to tell FrameMaker to include the link data. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: FM 8: Turn on hyperlinks in URLs Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:16:59 -0700 Greetings everyone! I created a book containing a large number of hyperlinks, as text. (E.g., http://destination.com/). These are not coming through in PDF as active links. I do need them to look like normal URLs, and also be active links in PDF. Would someone be willing to tell me how to do set these links up to achieve this outcome? Using FM 8, Win 7 x64, Acrobat XI. Thanks very much!Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking
I'll only comment briefly about the use of empty paragraphs, which is to say that they are seldom an optimum solution to issues or document model shortcomings in FrameMaker. I cannot imagine a situation where it makes any real sense to be linking to an empty heading paragraph. What is it that you are attempting to accomplish with empty headings? But the real point I want to make is that FrameMaker does not link to paragraphs; it *only* links to markers. When you create a cross-reference, FrameMaker gives you the option of viewing a list of all paragraphs of a particular style so that you can choose the targtet. But when you tell FrameMaker to make the cross-reference, it does *not* link to the paragraph itself. Instead, it links to a uniquely numbered marker that is located within that paragraph; and if no suitable marker exists, it automatically creates one for you. Whether the paragraph is empty or not can determine what is displayed at the referring end of the cross-reference (e.g., the autonumber and/or the text of the paragraph); but as far as the link itself is concerned, the only thing that matters is the location of marker with the matching ID. You can edit the text in the referenced paragraph to your heart's content--even deleting all of the text--and the link will remain intact and functional as long as the marker is still there. If you move the marker to a different paragraph, that's where the link will now point. But if you accidentally delete the marker (or conditionalize it and set that condition to hide), the cross-reference will be broken and the referring document will report it as unresolved. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: wr...@tycoint.com; Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:09:48 -0700 Great suggestion, thanks Winfried. I have been working with all files open, because some have that font error message upon opening, and I haven’t taken time yet to fix that. And … as time goes by, I think/suspect increasingly that this problem has to do with linking to empty target paragraphs. Ergo, my request for input on nonprinting characters I might use to trick FM into thinking that those paras are not really empty. Thanks again! Elchanan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 8:36 AM To: Framers Subject: RE: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking Hi Elchanan, If FrameMaker cannot open the target file, this may causeunresolved cross-references.Could it be that you have a file in the book which is closedand which triggers error messages when opened (e.g. missingfonts). Does it make a difference, if you open all files of the book? Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 12:42 AM To: Framers Subject: RE: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking Perhaps I should add that this just happened when I added an index to the book. The process called for a generate, which I did. And now, lots of broken xrefs. I did change the index suffix, but I can’t imagine that would cause the problem … would it? From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:41 PM To: Framers Subject: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking Greetings! I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple xrefs to other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is well. After working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes with intervening generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots of broken xrefs. I fix them all, generate, and all is well. Several generates later, poof! A large number of broken xrefs again. Has anyone else encountered something like this? Thanks,Elchanan This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Frank Stearns wrote: Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the lastest version of FM8? I don't have a specific recollection of any index bug in FM8, but I have only used FM8 at my current employer, who basically doesn't believe in spending time on indexes (we produce mostly API documentation and highly organized specification docs for SoC devices). At my previous employer, indexes were customary, but that was FM7 and I was relying on Frank's excellent IXgen to help me keep everything consistent. But for the record, the last patch version of FM8 was p277, dating back to June 2007. See http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windows for each of the three FM8 updates (which have to be installed sequentially since none is cumulative) -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Elchanan wrote: I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008) -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index ... Another syntax question
It would help if you told us what the incorrect result *does* look like. You tell us the content of the marker and the desired result, but not what result you are actually getting. BTW, why are you including the comma in the italicized part of the index entry? It's not part of the title itself. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: FM 8: Index ... Another syntax question Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 05:19:43 -0700 Can anybody see a mistake here: EmphasisAmerican Crisis, Default Para Fontby Thomas Paine ? The result is supposed to like: American Crisis, by Thomas Paine 123 The matching entries that look like: Paine, Thomas, EmphasisAmerican Crisis all work just fine. My entire index is ready to go, except for 3 entries that look just like this one, all writings of Thomas Paine. Maybe someone at Adobe doesn’t like Thomas Paine? :):) Yes … the “Emphasis” chartag is defined in the index, and well used, in fact. Thanks, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers
IMO, this is one prime reason not to use tabs to separate page numbers from the text of index entries. What presentation would be visually logical for the continuation line? Even if the continuation line does not split the page numbers into two groups, what in the world do you do about the leader dots? The result of using a right-aligned tab looks wrong whether the continuation line includes them or eliminates them. The only time I, personally, would ever consider using tabs in an index is when the page design uses a column width that is wide enough to guarantee no line-wrapped entries. And in that particular case I would still avoid the tab because I think that the wide separation between entries and page numbers would make the index much harder to read and use. -Fred Ridder From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:48:47 -0700 Greetings, I now have my index working properly … I’ll write more on that just as soon as I finish up this project. Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an entry appears on several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on the second line an extra set of leader dots appears. It looks something like this: Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42, 71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119 With text symbols displayed, I see that the marker and tab character preceding “71” both appear on the line above, following “42, “. I’m guessing that there is a better way to set this up, so that this anomaly does not occur. But does the solution lie in changing the paragraph tag, or perhaps elsewhere? I tried changing the alignment setting from left justified to justified, but that did not help. Input greatly appreciated! Thank you kindly, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: alphabetic $chapnum
You don't say what version of FrameMaker you are using, but I can confirm that both FM8 and FM9 behave in a way that is consistent with what you describe. However, I think you are slightly misinterpreting what you are seeing. When you set a chapter to Continue from previous, the expected thing is to increment the value of the numbering by one number/letter. But the command *also* sets the numbering format to match the format of the chapter of the preceding chapter. If the first chapter is set to numeric, then *all* the chapters that continue from the previous chapter will inherit that numeric format. If the first chapter in the string is Alphabetic, then all the chapters that follow the numbering sequence in the continue chain will also inherit the Alphabetic format. If you need to change format starting at some point in the book (when changing from chapters to appendixes, for example), you must also specify the value to use for the chapter where the format changes. But once you've done that, all chapters that are in the following continue string will both increment from that new value and use the new numbering format, whatever it happens to be. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:59:13 +0200 Subject: alphabetic $chapnum From: yves.barb...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi group The autonumber format for my chapters is: N:Chapter\ $chapnum: I want to number my chapters alphabetically, so I set the chapter numbering properties in my book to Fomat: Alphabetic (N). This works as long as I restart my chapter numbering (Chapter #: 1). When I select Continue numbering from Previous Chapter in Book, however, I get numeric (14) numbering again. Is this a known bug? Thanks -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
Note that if any of the unused conditions are still defined in any of the chapter files, the names will reappear in the book file the next time you do an Update Book operation. Also note that a book file cannot contain conditional text *markers* as you originally asked about. Conditional text markers are non-printing symbols that appear in a text flow to encapsulate hidden conditionalized content when the content's condition(s) is set to hide rather than show. Since the book file has no text flows, it cannot contain markers. What it *does* contain is a compiled list of the names of all the conditions that exist in any of the component .fm files. Yes, I'm being picky about terminology, but conditional text is complicated enough (and misunderstood enough by many users) that there's no need to add more confusion. -Fred Ridder From: eligh...@commandalkon.com To: shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:47:51 + Edited to add: This worked for the book but did not remove the condition tags in the individual files. Thanks, Ed Lightle Sr. Technical Writer Command Alkon -Original Message- From: Ed Lightle Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22 AM To: 'Shmuel Wolfson'; Framers Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book Shmuel, Thanks so much! Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition markers and then saved back as a book. Took about 4 minutes! Thanks so much! Ed Lightle -Original Message- From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM To: Ed Lightle; Framers Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, open the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a BOOK file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you would need to delete for the Comment condition: Condition CTag `Comment' CState CShown CStyle CDoubleUnderline CSeparation 2 CColor `Red' # end of Condition Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote: Hi, everybody. Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0. Thanks, Ed Lightle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Dictionaries
Every FrameMaker installer I have used (from 5.5.6 through 9 so far) has always installed all the files in a separate, version-specific folder within the Program Files folder. I have never had a problem having two or even three different versions installed simultaneously using the default installs. Did you uninstall FM9 before installing FM11? Were your user directories saved within the FM9 install directory? If so, the install directory and any custom files within it should have remained exactly where they were as its own branch of your directory tree. Did you use a non-default installation directory for either the FM9 or FM11 installation? I can only see a potential problem if you used the same directory name for both installations and did not use non-default names for your user dictionaries. Are you sure the dictionaries are really gone, and not just in a different directory than where the newly installed FM11 expects to find them? -Fred Ridder From: w...@idtp.eu Subject: Dictionaries Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:46:25 +0200 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi, We noticed that installing FM11 overwrites user dictionaries that were created in FM9. I'd expect that a new installation of FM would keep existing dictionaries. Anyone else experienced this? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Dictionaries
Good to know, Mike. Thanks. So far I've only used one version that uses the new location, and since we only make limited use of user dictionaries in our FrameMaker docs I hadn't noticed the change. But now I know to watch out if/when I upgrade to a newer version. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:43:56 -0500 From: i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Dictionaries FrameMaker changed dictionary locations as of version 9. It now saves them at the common location of C:\Users\user\AppData\LocalLow\Adobe\Linguistics\Dictionaries\FMUserDictionary\all\added.txt. I'm using FM 10, so assume FM 11 is the same. There is no version structure showing on my computer. I don't believe FM 10 overwrote my FM9 dictionary way back when, but can't remember. If FM 11 is doing it, it needs to be reported as a bug. As a side note, even though the new dictionary is a .txt file, care is necessary if you try to edit it directly. I messed mine up one time, when I edited the file and the editor saved it with carriage return and linefeed (CR LF) line endings. This caused failure as FM expects this file to have LFs only! I was able to use Notepad++ to find the problem and fix it. There was a need to convert dictionaries from FM8 to FM9 when the location/format change happened. Instructions for doing so are at the bottom of this page (as well as the warning about editing the file directly): http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2009/12/dictionaries_in_fm9.html Mike Wickham On 10/22/2013 7:09 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Every FrameMaker installer I have used (from 5.5.6 through 9 so far) has always installed all the files in a separate, version-specific folder within the Program Files folder. I have never had a problem having two or even three different versions installed simultaneously using the default installs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?
What is the use case for doing this? -FR Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:25:11 +0100 Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file? From: yves.barb...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi group Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a FrameMaker book as a single MIF file? Thanks -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
No, he's saying that TeX Live (the name is officially two words, BTW, which is kind of refreshing in the CamelCaseWorld of TeX and LaTeX) is a *distribution* of TeX, in the same sense that Debian and Ubuntu and Fedora (from Red Hat) are distributions of Linux. TeX Live is a collection of non-proprietary tools, utilities, and packages (the official TeX name for macro add-ons that enhance functionality by adding new commands, options, and formatting capabilities) from diverse sources that is wrapped up as a unified installation. TeX Live includes an editor, but it is not their own tool; for the Windows and OS X TeX Live distributions, the included editor is TeXworks. TeX Live is probably the most widely used TeX distribution because it is the default TeX distro in most of the major Linux distributions and several Unix distributions. But there are other popular TeX distros, too. For example, some groups at my current employer have a Doxygen-based document generation process used that is built around the MiKTeX distribution, which uses the TeXnicCenter editor. And there is a kind of super-distribution for Mac OS X (MacTeX) that includes the whole TeX Live distro along with an alternative editor (TeXShop), a bibliography manager, and some other Mac-specific TeX tools. Distros don't make it as simple as keeping track of a version number and a patch number for a single tool, but at least they provides some consistency and coordination in the TeX chaos of hundreds of separate pieces of software from dozens of different sources... -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:46:18 +0200 From: shmue...@gmail.com To: a...@alphabyte.co.nz; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor like TeXstudio? Is it compatible with TeXstudio? Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor? Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 29-Oct-13 8:15 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: Hiya, TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc. typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are for Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux flavours. It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso and making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining TUG and getting a free DVD with your membership. Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror sites around the globe. The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of macros (packages) and various supporting binaries built upon the TeX typesetting system. The packages are binaries are all supported by and army of volunteers and there is a mechanism for additional packages to be contributed. That means if you area having issues with a package you can often email the maintainer direct or you can open it in a text editor and fix it yourself if you are skilled. Traditionally, TeX has used the ASCII character set but more modern systems now use all available font systems, for example LuaTeX and XeTeX are designed to use OpenType fonts. Other packages allow for output to multimedia players too. Alan On 29/10/13 9:54 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: What exactly is TeXLiv? They don't explain it very well on the site. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 On 28-Oct-13 8:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker. I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). I doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because files are not created for short term use. Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant user base. Alan On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Hi, Joseph. You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker … if you look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. J Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail – would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. Today, *all* my new documents are no longer
RE: Character Tag As Is setting--isn't
You've identified one of the long-standing inconsistencies in the FrameMaker UI. In the Size box of the Character Designer dialog, the as is state is indicated by emptiness. Same with Spread and Stretch. All three of these properties allow a continuous range of values rather than being picked from a finite list, and I suspect that this fact complicated the ability to explicitly indicate As Is in the box for some reason. If you have already applied the Hyperlink tag to anything when it had a specified size of 11 pt, that size is now a property of the text. It will not change when you redefine the character format of the tag to be as is because the as is size is 11 pt. If the character tag is applied within the cross-reference format, I believe you'll need to reinsert the cross-reference to get the oversize characters to revert to the underlying paragraph specification for your table footnote. -Fred Ridder From: beverly_robin...@datacard.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:22 -0600 Subject: Character Tag As Is setting--isn't FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit My template has a character tag, Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size setting had been at 11 pt, the size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to use the tag in a cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt. So I changed the Size setting to As Is but:· After clicking As Is, the Size control doesn’t say “As Is”—it’s blank.· Hyperlink text in table footnotes is larger than 9 pt. FrameMaker help says nothing about this anomaly and I didn’t see anything similar in the first 5 pages on the FrameMaker user forum. Has anyone else run into this? Found a solution? Thanks for your help,Beverly ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Color in PDFs made from FM6
To retain color, you must use a color printer driver. If you use a driver for a monochrome printer, there will be no color information in the PostScript code produced by the driver. The driver for the Adobe PDF virtual printer (which has had its specific name changed many times in different versions of FrameMaker and Acrobat) supports color, so it is the driver of choice. To retain hyperlinks and other interactive features, FrameMaker must know that its output will be used to produce a PDF. By default, FrameMaker does not include the code for named locations or links to those locations in the PostScript that is generated for physical printers, because those concepts have no relevance to physically printed documents. The key, though, is the Generate Acrobat Data option in Frame's Print dialog. In this context Acrobat data specifically includes named destinations, hyperlinks, go to URL commands, and all the document metadata that gets displayed in the Properties sheet of the final PDF. So for color and hyperlinks there are two things you need to do: 1) Select the Adobe PDF printer driver (or whatever its specific name is with your particualr software versions) 2) Make sure the Generate Acrobat Data option in the Print dialog is selected. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:33:26 -0700 Subject: Color in PDFs made from FM6 From: qatfr...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hello, I used to be a framers list member a long time ago. (You can tell how long by the version of FM I'm running.) I'm trying to convert FM6 files to PDFs and retain xrefs. I use save-as-PDF. Unfortunately, this loses the color in the illustrations. (They become black-and-white.) I can see color in the PDFs by using print-to and specifying the printer as Adobe PDF, but this loses the xrefs. Can anyone tell me how to generate xrefs in the PDFs and also preserve color? (Buying the latest version of FrameMaker is not an option for me.) Thanks. q ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Graphic distortion in frame pdf
Note that Dov's comments were from 2002, when FM 7.0 was the brand new version. Versions of FrameMaker prior to 7.0 did have some problems with PDF as an import format, which made EPS the safest graphic import format despite the fact that FrameMaker could not render the EPS for on-screen display. This meant that we had to suffer with either an ugly low-res raster preview image onscreen or else a gray rectangle if the EPS had not been created to contain a TIFF preview image. But as of FM 8.0 (and maybe earlier), PDF import has worked reliably and for most of the last 10 years I have been happy to use PDF as my primary graphics import format. It has been at least 95% reliable (a few PDFs have had font issues) and the onscreen image in FrameMaker is basically as good as in Acrobat. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:05:04 -0600 From: i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Graphic distortion in frame pdf I would recommend that you save your graphics as .EPS instead of .AI. Unless I've overlooked a recent change, FrameMaker doesn't directly support embedding of .AI files. They do sometimes work, though. Here's an _old_ explanation from Dov Isaacs of Adobe: First of all, FrameMaker never really officially and fully supported import of Adobe Illustrator .AI files. Officially, FrameMaker only fully supports import of .EPS and .PDF files saved from Adobe Illustrator. Secondly, until several years ago, the .AI file format used by Illustrator was almost identical to the .EPS format. In those cases, if one attempted to import on of those .AI files, it often worked because internally, despite not having a .EPS suffix, it looked like an EPS file. The current (i.e., Illustrator 9 or 10) .AI format likewise can be imported into FrameMaker if and only if the .AI file was saved with the option to make the file PDF-compatible. (Contrary to an unfortunate public perception, Illustrator's native file format is NOT PDF. Illustrator stores its formatting information in a private data area within what looks like a PDF file which can optionally have all of Illustrator's private data repeated as genuine PDF data for display and print in Acrobat.) In this case, FrameMaker is successful in importing an Illustrator file because it has PDF information as well. The safest and most highly recommended method of Illustrator content import into FrameMaker continues to be EPS. Read Dov's full message text here: http://www.freeframers.org/archive/02/msg01600.html Mike Wickham On 1/14/2014 8:13 AM, Chris Coggins wrote: Can someone explain how to fix the distortion that is occurring in graphic in the pdf output? I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the save as pdf (high quality) and print to pdf (standard) methods of output, but the distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case there was something hidden in the original file I was using. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
Maggying (named after former list member Maggie Secara, who first promoted the
technique here and on the copyeditors list) was a useful technique when Word
used a proprietary binary file format. The entire stylesheet and lots of other
voodoo was embedded in the final pilcrow character as a big binary lump and the
only way to force Word to rebuild it if it became corrupted was to Maggie the
document.
But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm
extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same embed formatting
in the pilcrow technique. Instead, the single file you see is actually a zip
archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that contain all the
formatting info and other metadata along with other XML objects for graphics
and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence that Maggying has any
beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office XML format. It won't
*hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, either.
-Fred Ridder
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:15:57 +
To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; r...@rickquatro.com; craig...@hotmail.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
At 18:51 -0800 19/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page
documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a
chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look
like. :)
I always 'maggy' a Word document to get a clean copy before import, and I've
not had too many issues. But it would be good to get the L/F characters out.
Having said 'not too many issues', this book has thrown up some new ones. The
source is from three authors working in Word in Finland: quite a lot of
inter-word spaces disappeared, and for some - but not all - files, all the
ligatures ('fl', 'fi' etc) disappeared too! I've never seen this before in a
couple of decades of inter-working between Word and FrameMaker. So 'flow'
became 'ow', 'first' became 'rst', 'configuration' became 'conguration' and
so on. These are the sorts of things that make an editor's life fun :-(
['Maggying', for anyone not familiar with it, consists of copying all of a
Word document except the final pilcrow, then pasting it into a new, clean
Word document and working with that. I believe the technique was named after
its originator. It can solve a lot of issues with Word, as apparently the
final pilcrow 'hides' a great deal of Word-crud.]
--
Steve
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
There are two areas of improvements in Word versions from 2007 onwards that probably should be of interest to you because they can have a direct effect on the problem you described in your previous message. Those improvements relate to Unicode fonts and ligatures. The recognition and proper handling of TrueType ligatures was one of the major changes in Word 2010, which I assume also trickled down to Word 2011 for Mac. Has your client recently upgraded from the Word 2007/2008 generation to Word 2010 or later? If their files contain ligatures done right from a more current version of Word, that could explain why your copy of Word 2004 doesn't recognize them at all. -Fred Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:08:34 + To: docu...@hotmail.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; r...@rickquatro.com; craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 08:03 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote: But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same embed formatting in the pilcrow technique. Instead, the single file you see is actually a zip archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that contain all the formatting info and other metadata along with other XML objects for graphics and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence that Maggying has any beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office XML format. It won't *hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, either. Thanks for that clarification, Fred - you are of course absolutely right. As I still work in Word 2004, I still maggy stuff. [I've not heard anything that leads me to believe that more recent versions of Word offer any substantive improvements, but my views are based on the Mac versions, which have always been the poor cousins of the Windows versions.) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
Are either of you using Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in? At my last employer about a decade ago (my, how time files when you're having fun...) I converted well over 10K pages of legacy Word documentation to FrameMaker and I know I could never have done it without Rick's plug-in. It got rid of all sorts of Word-specific cruft and dealt with the way Frame imported every Word table with the custom ruling and shading flag set so that you wouldn't get the expected results when you applied a Frame table style. And it did it all in a single step. -Fred Ridder From: syed.hos...@aeris.net To: r...@rickquatro.com; srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk; craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:51:26 -0800 Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? Rick Quatro said: The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove them. I have seen exactly this too. But, as I recall, a MIF-wash did not clear it up for me ... have not checked recently though. If the file was not too large and I had a bit of time for initial cleanup, my usual method was to bring it in as text and re-apply what FrameMaker paragraph and character formats I needed. A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. :) Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my old laptop. For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same clientHi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred RidderFrom: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700All,I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this?Thank you,TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Need a good introductory tutorial for FrameMaker 12
Total ignorance is probably overstating it, but one fundamental fact you have missed is that PageMaker and FrameMaker do *not* have a common ancestry. What they have in common (besides the coincidental similarity in their names) is that they were both acquired as mature products by Adobe. PageMaker was originally developed by Aldus Corporation with the original Macintosh version released in 1985 and a version for Windows 1.0 two years later. The company and its products were acquired by Adobe in 1994, and the product was eventually discontinued in 2004. FrameMaker, on the other hand, was originally developed by an astrophysics grad student at Columbia. An entrepreneur saw a demo version running on a Sun workstation and formed a company, Frame Technology, to commercialize it circa 1985. Originally it ran only on SunOS, but it was also ported to other flavors of UNIX in its early years. In 1990 a Mac version appeared, and a Windows version followed two years later. The lower-cost Mac and Windows versions killed the sales of the much more expensive UNIX version and the company's sales and profit steadily slid toward zero before Adobe purchased them in 1995. Also, the two products do not (or rather, *did* not since PageMaker is a dead issue) the same thing. PageMaker was intended for things like brochures, newsletters, and magazines, where each page is likely to have a different layout. FrameMaker is intended for long documents (e.g. books) with consistent, repetitive page layouts. It can do page-by-page layouts, but not very flexibly and not very efficiently because that's not what it was designed for. -Fred Ridder From: urszulawither...@jetsetcom.net Subject: Re: Need a good introductory tutorial for FrameMaker 12 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:24:16 -0500 To: david.h.down...@gmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com David, just be sure you do not compare FrameMaker to PageMaker. Two different worlds, one long gone and replaced by InDesign. FrameMaker is more like a very able text processor with focus on text content, rather than layout of individual pages. Be sure you cover master pages, format tags and catalogs. Enjoy, Urszula Witherell www.jetsetcom.net | www.trainingonsite.com 301.524.3165 Sent from iPad On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:47 PM, David Downing david.h.down...@gmail.com wrote: I just downloaded the 30 trial version of FrameMaker 12. I have never used FrameMaker at all (although I have used its predecessor, PageMaker). I need to find a good tutorial that will get me started with FrameMaker 12, and that begins by assuming total ignorance of the product. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out
A graphic and the frame that contains a graphic are separate entities with separate properties and separate sets of possible operations. A frame can be positioned relative to the page, in a fixed relation to an anchor in the text flow, or allowed to float relative to its anchor. A framed graphic is positioned relative to the frame that contains it. Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:04:11 -0500 Subject: Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out From: david.h.down...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Okay, I have something else that isn't working as advertised. I just went through a lesson that involved the use of the Anchor frame option. I had trouble getting it to display on the screen as well, but I figured that out this time. I tried to change the position of the frame to Run into paragraph, but the Edit Frame button was greyed out so I could;t implement the change. Why would the button be grayed out? One possibility would be that the graphic I thought was selected was not in fact selected, but I'm pretty sure it was. What other reasons might there be for this? Thanks. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader
Marking text to be deleted with strikethrough and using notes to indicate text to be added are forms of annotation and are included in Acrobat's commenting capability. All forms of annotation/comment are added in an overlay layer that is separate from the text of the document itself. Editing text in Adobe's terminology means adding and deleting glyphs in the PDF itself, and is *not* part of the annotating or commenting capabilities. This level of editing has some significant limitations, one being that most versions of the Adobe PDF tools (generation XI might be the sole exception--I don't know for sure because I'm still using X) require you to have the specific fonts used in the document installed on your system before allowing you to edit the text layer of the PDF. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:07:58 -0700 Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader FM 10.x. all patched and current and Adobe Acrobat Pro X, all patched and current I create my book in Framemaker, print the book to a .ps file and then manually distill it into a PDF. I open the PDF in Adobe Acrobat Pro and save the PDF as Reader Extended Enable Commenting and Measuring. I want my editors to be able to not only add comments, but also edit text - strike through it, note insertions, etc. Using Acrobat Reader XI, will my users be able to do this based on the option that I am using for the Reader Extended PDF or only commenting an option? What can I do to make the PDF editable in terms of striking out text, etc? Thanks, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com www.spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a Windows component from the Add Programs control panel tool. But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) tool built in. Go to EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette. And if you know the Unicode character number, you can also use FileUtilitiesHex Input, whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible). -Fred Ridder From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Fei Min,I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word...-Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
The File Utilities location I cited is where the Unicode/hex tools were located in FrameMaker 9 (which is what I am still using for a variety of reasons). Adobe being Adobe, I'm sure they have moved and/or renamed the tools a couple of times in the intervening releases between 9 and 12. The best suggestion is to open the PDF of the User Guide and search for hex. This should direct you to a dozen or two locations in the manual where the character palette and hex input palette (or whatever they are calling them now) are discussed, and those descriptions should tell you where the palettes are invoked. But for common symbols like TM, registered trademark, and copyright symbols, the easiest solution is to use the keyboard shortcuts that you should also be able to find in the PDF manual: For ™: Crtl+q, then * For ®: Ctrl+q, then ( For ©: Ctrl+q, then ) Or use the standard Windows shortcuts: For ™: Alt+0153 For®: Alt+0173 For ©: Al+0169 Note that for each of these you hold down the Alt key while typing the 4-digit code on the *numeric keypad* (with NumLock on, of course). -Fred Ridder From: mtedsteinb...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:20:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: enodl...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, Registered, et al? My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the default paragraph font and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen? Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one? Thanks, TED On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding FrameMaker only displaying a low-res raster image for EPS graphics. And that's only if the EPS file actually contains the TIFF preview--many EPS files don't include the preview image because it is basically a waste, and in those cases you only get a gray rectangle on screen. But a better option for import (in my experience...) is PDF, which displays beautifully and prints as well as you would expect. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: syed.hos...@aeris.net CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic – with only four colors in it – (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn’t see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that – should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that “option”? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Blank pages
And note that the Next Available option can only be chosen when you are setting pagination from the *book file* window. FrameMaker keeps separate file-level pagination properties in each component file and book-level pagination properties in each book file that use the components. Next Available has no meaning in the single file context (because there is no preceding file), so it's not available in the menu. Another possible cause of Pam's problem is that pages that have no visible content may not be truly empty from FrameMaker's perspective. For example, any page that has had a specific non-default master page applied is *not empty* because it contains a master page specification as a property. Manually placed frames can also cause problems even if they are empty of any content because they still exist as objects on the page. -Fred Ridder From: craig...@hotmail.com To: phar...@bailiwick.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Blank pages Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:12:24 -0500 Make sure your pagination setting select Next Available Page rather than Read From File. Craig From: phar...@bailiwick.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Blank pages Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:15:28 + I have all of my books set for single-sided with Delete Empty Pages. Lately extra blank pages are showing on many documents even after I save (which almost always clears out empty pages) or select Remove Overrides when going from master view to page view (another reliable way for deleting extra pages). But they still remain, and I can only get rid of them manually. I use Frame 10 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Today I worked on a 100 page file where the document shrank considerably to about 50 pages. And again, even after saving and generating the book, the extra pages still remained. These pages show after the end of the section mark. What could be causing this? Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TOC Failure
There are only two things that are special about a TOC file: It *usually* has a filename that it the same as the book file but with TOC appended before the .fm extension.It is added to the book as a generated file (AddTable of Contents) and *NOT* as a component file (AddFile). Otherwise, it's just a file that happens to contain a whole bunch of autogenerated cross-references to all the headings in the document. The most likely scenario is that somebody accidentally deleted the TOC from the book file, and then replaced the generated file with a static content file using AddFile. It's easy to get confused on this, because the TOC file will still be present in the file system and it seems obvious (but wrong...) to just re-add the file. The fix is to delete the static file entry from the book file and re-add a table of contents. Do *not* delete the actual TOC file from the file system; the file itself is just the same as it was before it was changed to a static component. When re-adding the TOC, it's optional whether you allow FrameMaker to update the book and regenerate the TOC, but if you do perform an update it should turn out to be formatted exactly as the previous TOC was (as long as nobody trashed the file for the previous TOC). -Fred Ridder From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TOC Failure Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:20:09 + I received a request for help from my counterparts at a sister company in Denmark. I know they are running unstructured Frame 9 and should be all patched at this point. At least one system is a 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine. The issue is a TOC file that is no longer a TOC file. It’s simply registering as a regular FM file in the book, although it used to be a proper TOC file that updated just fine when required. Can anyone tell me: · why – and how – would a TOC file stop being a TOC file? · short of simply recreating a new TOC file, is there a way to salvage the existing file and turn it back into an updatable TOC? Thanks, Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: HTML Mapping Table
Yeah, and what a huge space savings it is. About 22 KB according to some tests I ran a while back to see if it was worth the bother. If you delete it from 50 files, you'll save a whole megabyte. Delete it from 50,000 files and you'll save a whole gigabyte, or about 0.2% of a typical internal hard drive. The way I see it, the HTML mapping reference page causes no harm, causes only a very minor inconvenience with its presence (how many times do you actually go into the references pages for a given file, anyway?), and takes up an insignificant amount of additional disk space, even if I'm compulsive and save 20 intermediate versions of a document. It's simply not worth my time to pay any attention to it. In my experience, people who get obsessive about removing *all* unused formats and features from FrameMaker documents spend a lot of time for no day-to-day performance or stability improvement, and often inadvertently break something in the bargain. If a legacy document works properly, don't go looking for trouble in the name of reducing file size, because gigabytes are very cheap these days--on the order of $0.10 per gigabyte. And for most of us, $0.10 only pays for about 10 *seconds* of our time. -Fred Ridder From: craig...@hotmail.com To: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:34:14 -0500 You can delete them. There are multiple HTML pages and you have to delete them one by one. They will reappear if you do a saveAs HTML. I routinely delete them in templates that don't use them as a space saving measure. This is the behavior in FM11 and before. I expect it is the same in FM12. Craig From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:24:16 + I’m pretty sure it just in there in the off-chance that you create HTML straight out of FM (which you wouldn’t because it’s supposedly pretty horrible – thus MIF2Go). I think it’s completely harmless to leave in there. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Harper Sent: April-08-14 5:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: HTML Mapping Table I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I’m fairly certain I don’t need it—unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don’t create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I’ve updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the “new” ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Microsoft Word to FM 11 footnote conversion woes
In the Find dialog, select the Use wildcards option. Then in the Find Text box, type: [0-9] This will find any digit between 0 and 9, inclusive. It's got some limitations--it will find multi-digit numbers one digit at a time, and it will not find numbers that are the result of autonumber formatting or a cross-reference--but it will find numbers and not letters or punctuation, so maybe it will work well enough for you. -Fred Ridder From: rsh...@iafrica.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Microsoft Word to FM 11 footnote conversion woes Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:07:49 +0200 Hi Framers: I have just converted many heavily footnoted Ms Word files to FM 11. The translation was more or less successful but the algorithm added a pesky space before the text of each footnote. Is there a code I could search for that would make this tedious job easier? (I am already yawning just thinking about it). Another useful tip would make my life easier is how to search for a number (any number) and not text i.e. 1, but not a. Thanks Rob Shell rsh...@iafrica.com rsh...@uwc.ac.za shell.robert@gmail.com computer rig: PC 8 Gbyte 3 terrabyte drives Windows 7 64 bit TCS 4 Creative suite CS4 Flash Professional ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Using a backslash (\) in Hypertext marker
A few issues here: First, FrameMaker is actually behaving exactly as designed when you type the strings you mention. When you are in the marker window, you are typing in a dialog box, and FrameMaker follows the rules that are documented in Appendix A: Typing in dialog boxes in the FrameMaker manual. The table that in that appendix lists the code for typing a double dagger as \Shift+d, and for a florin as \Shift+f, which is exactly what you've typed. Second, I assume that you intend \D and \F to be drive identifiers? I don't think this will work because I believe that hypertext markers expect Unix-style pathnames, not Windows-style. And since drive letter mappings are local to each machine in the Windows world, there's the potential that these drive letters could be mapped differently on other users' systems, which would break the links. -Fred Ridder From: pchristen...@ftportfolios.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Using a backslash (\) in Hypertext marker Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:29:54 + I need to create a hypertext marker for Open Document Fit to Page. The problem occurs when I enter the path for the document in the marker window. The characters \D are replaced by a double dagger and \F are replaced by the florin symbol. I’ve looked at Adobe’s documentation on hypertext markers and it doesn’t mention this behavior. Does anyone know how I can get the marker window to leave the text exactly as typed? I’m using Frame 10 on Windows 7 Professional. Thanks. Pat Christenson Resource Coordinator Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications pchristen...@ftportfolios.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Spot cross-reference?
They have never worked in unstructured FrameMaker. I always considered that a flaw in the basic design of the product, but it's just the way was is. -Fred Ridder From: sobr...@innovmetric.com To: r...@rickquatro.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Spot cross-reference? Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 17:48:17 + So spot cross-references do not work in FM9 unstructured? Stephen O'BRIEN Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels | Software T (1) 418.688.2061 De : Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Envoyé : Friday, May 09, 2014 1:45 PM À : Stephen O'Brien; 'Frame Users' Objet : RE: Spot cross-reference? Hi Stephen, You can't do this with unstructured FrameMaker. With structured FrameMaker, you can pick up custom text from an attribute value and display it in a cross-reference. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 11:26 AM To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) Subject: Spot cross-reference? Hi, In FM9, I have inserted the marker ( Cross-Reference type, content=Me) on the page and see its contents when I go to create the spot cross-reference. I just don't see how to define the FORMAT to see the text (Me). I have tried $paratext, of course that is not right. It must be really simple… Any help is very welcome! Thx, Stephen O'BRIEN Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels | Software sobr...@innovmetric.com T (1) 418.688.2061 F (1) 418.688.3001 AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ/CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: Ce message peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels appartenant exclusivement à InnovMetric Logiciels inc. ou à ses filiales. Si vous n’êtes pas le destinataire indiqué dans ce message (ou responsable de livrer ce message à la personne indiquée ou prévue) ou si vous pensez que ce message vous a été adressé par erreur, vous ne pouvez pas utiliser ou reproduire ce message, ni le livrer à quelqu’un d’autre. Dans ce cas, veuillez le retourner à l’expéditeur et le détruire. Proprietary confidential information belonging to InnovMetric Software Inc. and its affiliates may be contained in this message. If you are not a recipient indicated or intended in this message (or responsible for delivering this message to such a person), or you think for any reason that this message may have been addressed to you by mistake, you may not use or copy this message, or deliver it to anyone else. In which case, notify the sender and destroy the e-mail. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10?
In the first case, I assume that is a lower-case L rather than an upper-case i, correct? I guess that has to be the case because otherwise it would be a 4-key combination (with Shift as well as Ctrl + Alt) rather than just a 3-key one. But the default display font for many email clients has glyphs for these two characters that are completely indistinguishable unless they are immediately adjacent, so I thought clarification might be useful for other readers. -Fred Ridder From: r...@rickquatro.com To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:41:46 -0400 Hi Fei Min, I am not sure if you can define a shortcut, but FrameMaker has a built-in shortcut for making the selected text lower case: Control + Alt + l. You can use Control + Alt + u for all caps and Control + Alt + c for sentence case. Rick QuatroCarmen Publishing inc.585-366-4017r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:02 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? Does anyone know if there is such a shortcut, or if I can define one? I’ve tried the online help and Google searches. The closest thing I can find is F6 for repeat typing, but of course, that’s not working. Is this impossible? I have a script that changes my selected text to all lower case, and it would just save me a few seconds if I could hit a shortcut after I select the text instead of mousing to the Play button in the Script window. It’s not a huge deal, but it would help. I’m on Windows 7 if that makes a difference. Fei Min LorenteSenior Technical CommunicatorMedical and Wireless divisionfeimin.lore...@onsemi.com+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office+1 519-831-4931 | mobile+1 905-631-5724 | faxwww.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
No, it doesn't render them as JPEGs because there is no rendering involved. The zip archive that is the .docx file contains the source graphic files in whatever format they were in when inserted into the Word document. Just look in the Word/media folder inside the archive. What this approach does *not* handle, though, is easy access to any embedded OLE objects, such as Visio drawings or PowerPoint graphics. These show up in the Word/embeddings folder as binary objects that are not usable outside of Word. Also note that it is not necessary to change the extension of the Word filename if you have a real zip tool like WinZip rather than using Windows' own zip feature. Just choose All files (*.*) in the WinZip Open dialog, and you can open the .docx archive directly. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:15:08 -0600 To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: celk...@awrittenword.com Subject: Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11 Yes, but doesn't that render the extracted graphics as .jpgs? I strongly believe that .jpg is not the best graphic format to use for technical publications. Everyone's usage may vary and a lot depends on how the graphics were inserted in the Word doc in the first place, but .jpgs don't work for me; nor can I edit them. I prefer vector when possible and when not, I'll save out as .tif. But I don't have to make that decision if I let Acrobat extract as .eps. Even if the Word graphics are bitmaps, they don't lose any information when converted to .eps. Carol At 12:59 PM 6/5/2014, Robert Lauriston wrote: You don't need to convert Word to PDF to extract images. Save the Word doc as .docx if it's not already, make a copy, change the extension from .docx to .zip, extract the files, and the images are all in \word\media. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
Craig asked who is the moderator of this list at this point, and I have to say that I don't know. I did visit the www.frameusers.com website, and that site appears to still be owned by Brad Anderson, who also used to be (and maybe still is...) the listowner of this list. But I also noted that there is no content there that is newer than July 2011 (FrameMaker 10 still being referred to as new), so it appears that FrameMaker and frameusers.com are not very high on Brad's priority list these days. -Fred Ridder Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:30:59 +1200 From: a...@alphabyte.co.nz To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question You know, that is kind of why I do not post much anymore. Threads became quite confused as some posts were held back and answered earlier thread posts, which were themselves answered by others who posted later but were passed through sooner. I think I would be a long-time framer too, by now. True about those flame wars, but there is little evidence of them now. So either people are better behaved or the moderation is working. Alan On 4/06/14 1:52 AM, Craig Ede wrote: Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* FrameMaker Users List *Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different, I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to the tableness. From Word, first use the convert table to text command, then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the appropriate table format applied. If you bring a Word table into Frame as a table, it coes along with a bunch of properties that you then have to get rid of, like the custom ruling and shading flag being set for all cells in the table and the heading row not working properly. Also do yourself a favor and make sure that the Word table doesn't have any merged cells. If you are using my text-only method, you'll have an unequal number of cells in some rows. Or if you're bringing it in as a table, FrameMaker's equivalent functionality (straddle) works *completely* differently under the hood, and the import operation won't correctly figure out how to reconcile the two. -Fred Ridder From: hwinb...@hobartsystems.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:24:27 + What is the best way to get a Word table into non-Structured Frame 12. I have had great luck with special paste RTF but ain’t sure. Les ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it. But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built from pasted plain text than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled in as a table even if you have a tool that does most of the work. -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: rob...@lauriston.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier. On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: Second on that approach. On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different, I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to the tableness. From Word, first use the convert table to text command, then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the appropriate table format applied. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
It's all in the pronunciation, David! -Fred Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:52:44 -0700 From: dspre...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables To: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Shouldn't that be Weird-ness?...:) On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:42 PM, Craig, Alison alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: I love it! “Word-ness” is such a wonderfully descriptive term (epithet?). Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:26 AM To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it. But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built from pasted plain text than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled in as a table even if you have a tool that does most of the work. -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: rob...@lauriston.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier. On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: Second on that approach. On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different, I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to the tableness. From Word, first use the convert table to text command, then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the appropriate table format applied. ___ ___You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com.send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.to unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
No, I don't think it is a bug. And end-of-paragraph mark is not a simple glyph; it has properties and attributes associated with it (e.g. a paragraph tag, the formatting associated with that paragraph tag, and any overrides to the standard formatting for the tag). You can find an EOP as if it were a simple glyph because they do have a common fundamental property (i.e. denoting the end of a paragraph). But you cannot effectively insert a new EOP in a replace string because there is no way to associate any of the other properties with the new mark. Finding an EOP and replacing it with itself, on the other hand, is a valid operation because the found mark has a full complement of paragraph properties. -Fred Ridder From: fr...@daube.ch To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:48:17 +0200 Subject: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) Friends of FramMaker, please judge. I want to find incorrectly ended paragraphs (missing punctuation). For example the following 4 lines are paragraphs, the first 2 correct, the next two incorrect: This is the first paragraph! And this is the second one. And here a third And a fourth one: RegEx Find/Replace with these settings: Find: ([^\.!?])\n Repl: $1.\n Result: find is correct, replacement is n instead of paragraph end With repl = $1.\rreplacement is a forced newline; correct, but not wanted. Find: ([^\.!?])(\n) Repl: $1.$2 This creates a correct replacement! IMHO the behaviour of not honoring \n as an 'end of paragraph' for the replacement is a bug. Do You agree? Klaus Daube ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be *useful* to be able to insert a new EOP. But the reality is that in either Word or FrameMaker (and I assume in other word processing applications) it is problematic because EOP is not a simple character. Regular expressions are designed to work with arbitrary strings of simple characters. They were never intended to handle characters that have formatting or page layout properties embedded in them. If a regular expression *were* able to insert a new EOP, what formatting should apply to it? Since regular expressions don't know about formatting, the only practical answer is the lowest level default formatting. But in any properly designed word processor document (i.e., one that uses styles) that default is going to be *wrong* in 99% of cases and require further, manual attention from the author, which really defeats the benefit of being able to use a regular expression replacement. A simple text editor is a completely different situation because there really is nothing special about an EOP. I think the real point is that in Klaus' case the analysis of the task was slightly flawed. To fix his punctuation issue, what he really wants to do is insert a period (full stop) between the current unpunctuated text and the existing EOP, which is exactly what his second regular expression does. There really is no reason to delete the existing EOP (and all the magic embedded in it) and replace it with a brand-new, untagged EOP that would require his manual attention to tag and/or format. FrameMaker's behavior of not allowing this saves the user from having to do a lot of after-the-fact cleanup. FrameMaker's regular expressions let you find EOPs without issue, and lets you reuse them. What they don't let you do is try to create a new one where there is insufficient information in the found text string(s) to do that operation without making a mess. -Fred From: syed.hos...@aeris.net To: docu...@hotmail.com; fr...@daube.ch; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:10:33 -0700 Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) Hi, Fred. Hmmm … I understand your point, but am not sure I would entirely agree with the reasoning. Yes, FrameMaker (and other programs like Word) do put in additional information besides the EOP glyph itself. But, this is a relatively commonly used/desired function – certainly in simple text editors – to replace an EOP with other characters (perhaps including an EOP). For example, to “join” multiple lines together, or to do what Klaus mentions. Yes, FM is not just a simple text editor, which is why I see your reasoning to not call it a bug. But I think it would be good to define exactly what regular expression matching is supposed to do with EOP markers then (or have a special mechanism to identify and use an EOP more effectively perhaps?) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:02 AM To: fr...@daube.ch; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) No, I don't think it is a bug. And end-of-paragraph mark is not a simple glyph; it has properties and attributes associated with it (e.g. a paragraph tag, the formatting associated with that paragraph tag, and any overrides to the standard formatting for the tag). You can find an EOP as if it were a simple glyph because they do have a common fundamental property (i.e. denoting the end of a paragraph). But you cannot effectively insert a new EOP in a replace string because there is no way to associate any of the other properties with the new mark. Finding an EOP and replacing it with itself, on the other hand, is a valid operation because the found mark has a full complement of paragraph properties. -Fred Ridder From: fr...@daube.ch To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:48:17 +0200 Subject: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) Friends of FramMaker, please judge. I want to find incorrectly ended paragraphs (missing punctuation). For example the following 4 lines are paragraphs, the first 2 correct, the next two incorrect: This is the first paragraph! And this is the second one. And here a third And a fourth one: RegEx Find/Replace with these settings: Find: ([^\.!?])\n Repl: $1.\n Result: find is correct, replacement is n instead of paragraph end With repl = $1.\r replacement is a forced newline; correct, but not wanted. Find: ([^\.!?])(\n) Repl: $1.$2 This creates a correct replacement! IMHO the behaviour of not honoring \n as an 'end of paragraph' for the replacement is a bug. Do You agree? Klaus Daube ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com
RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
But if there is no practical way for a plain text-oriented tool to insert a *proper* EOP, the only way to make Frame's overall Find/Replace behavior consistent would be to forbid searching for EOPs. And that would be a *real* shortcoming IMO. Kind of like throwing out the baby with the bathwater... -Fred Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:57:03 -0700 From: s...@leximation.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) I dunno. I just don't like the fact that \n will match on a line end (of some type), while it replaces as an n .. that's not right. ...scott On 7/7/14 4:52 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Yeah … I have to admit that I can’t argue with you on this too much. J Because, there isn’t a simple “this is the right way” to do the EOP insertions. Although … maybe … Word stands a slightly better chance because of its “Normal” paragraph that could get applied by default. Of course, as you note, this could cause a mess with documents whose paragraphs have already been changed to some other paragraph format, etc. Z From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:18 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); fr...@daube.ch; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl) Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be *useful* to be able to insert a new EOP. But the reality is that in either Word or FrameMaker (and I assume in other word processing applications) it is problematic because EOP is not a simple character. Regular expressions are designed to work with arbitrary strings of simple characters. They were never intended to handle characters that have formatting or page layout properties embedded in them. If a regular expression *were* able to insert a new EOP, what formatting should apply to it? Since regular expressions don't know about formatting, the only practical answer is the lowest level default formatting. But in any properly designed word processor document (i.e., one that uses styles) that default is going to be *wrong* in 99% of cases and require further, manual attention from the author, which really defeats the benefit of being able to use a regular expression replacement. A simple text editor is a completely different situation because there really is nothing special about an EOP. I think the real point is that in Klaus' case the analysis of the task was slightly flawed. To fix his punctuation issue, what he really wants to do is insert a period (full stop) between the current unpunctuated text and the existing EOP, which is exactly what his second regular expression does. There really is no reason to delete the existing EOP (and all the magic embedded in it) and replace it with a brand-new, untagged EOP that would require his manual attention to tag and/or format. FrameMaker's behavior of not allowing this saves the user from having to do a lot of after-the-fact cleanup. FrameMaker's regular expressions let you find EOPs without issue, and lets you reuse them. What they don't let you do is try to create a new one where there is insufficient information in the found text string(s) to do that operation without making a mess. -Fred ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Quoted speech
I have to ask: Why are you changing curled apostrophes to straight? And even more intriguing, what are straight (or non-curled) parentheses? Square brackets? Vertical rules (aka pipe characters)? -FR Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:11:20 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: ljsims...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Quoted speech CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Let me know if it works so I can put it into my bag of tricks, too. So far it's not working (search can't find anything with \xCABC [I'm searching for Text]). The tough part is that this book has two books in it and I did the first one two months ago and changed all the curled parentheses to straight and curled apostrophes to straight, but I can't quite remember what I did. I know there were some hijinks with Format DocumentText Options and turning Smart Quotes on and off, but nothing seems to be changing the characters in this second book. Maybe if I sleep on it. Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Quoted speech
Yes, typographic quotes (either single or double) are a problem if you restrict yourself to ISO 8859-1. But Theresa indicated that she also converts curly brackets to some other character in the belief that they cause problems in HTML and/or epub. ISO 8859-1 does have code points for all four style of brackets/braces, namely plain parentheses plus square, curly, and angle brackets/braces. None of these should cause any problem, even in a lowest common denominator system. It's also important to note that the use of straight vs. curled quote marks and apostrophes will not cause any significant misunderstanding except in the case of computer code. But substituting one type of bracket/brace for another is usually a bad idea because these different symbols are semantically different, particularly in technical and mathematical contexts. -Fred Ridder Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:53:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Quoted speech From: rob...@lauriston.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Coding the HTML correctly doesn't ensure that the reader's system has the necessary character. Best practice is generally to stick to the extended 8-bit ASCII character set (ISO 8859-1), which does not include U+2018, U+2019, U+201C, or U+201D. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Davis, David david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com wrote: Theresa, There should be no problem with those characters in HTML, so long as you put the correct declarations in the Header part of the page (to declare what character set you are using). If you look at a Japanese, Korean or Chinese site, for instance, you'll generally see they manage to have a plenty of non-ASCII characters in them ;) Alternatively, you can put escape sequences in your HTML for those characters. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: More about characters
From the FrameMaker 9 User Guide: Unicode code points can also be used for performing search and replace operations. For example, you can provide \u as the input to locate a character that has code point . Thus, to search for letter “A” whose code point is u+0041, you can specify \u0041 in the Find/Change dialog box. The same technique works in most FM-specific dialog boxes (but not necessarily in ones that access Windows OS services). -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 10:22:37 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: More about characters In a text box, I know how to insert an ascii character, e.g. ALT+0169. How do I insert a unicode character? Using Find/Replace, how do I search and replace with unicode characters? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Copy Special for a Table Tag
But note that not all properties of a table format are applied to an existing table when you change it to a new format. Column widths, in particular, are not changed after the fact; the column widths that are part of a table format are only the defaults that are applied to a *new* table. Same thing for the paragraph tags that are remembered for the heading row, and the first row and column of the body; these are only the defaults that will be applied to a new table. -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:46:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: craig...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com Are you trying to change all the tables in a document from one table tag to another table tag, or are you trying to update all the properties of a particular table tag? If the first, you can do it using the Global Update option. 1. Put your cursor inside the one of the tables 2. Open Table Designer 3. Select the new table tag from the drop-down list 4. From the Commands drop-down, select Global Update options 5. Select All Properties and All Tagged. Set All Tagged to the OLD table tag (the one you want to change FROM) 6. Click Update. Click OK to confirm that you want to change all the tables tagged with the OLD tag to the NEW tag. If the second, open the Table Designer, update the properties, and click Update All. All tables with the same tag will get the new properties. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi,Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Character format that won't stick
Is the content you formatted with your CrossRef tag an actual FrameMaker cross-reference (which we'll call an x-ref here to distinguish it as an active entity in your document rather than a format definition)? If so, when the x-ref is updated--which happens automatically when you open the FM file--it reverts to the formatting that is specified in the Cross Reference format. This is completely by design. If that's the case, the solution is simple: just include the CrossRef character format as part of the Cross Reference format definition rather than applying it manually, after the fact. That way, when the x-ref is updated, it will reapply the character format you want, regardless of any formatting applied directly to the result of the x-ref that appears in the document. -Fred Ridder From: thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Character format that won't stick Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:06:25 + Esteemed colleagues, I am using Frame 11.0.2.384 on Windows 7. I applied a character format (CrossRef) to text in a document. I late saved the document. When I return to Frame and open the document, the character format has reverted to the previous format. I recall having this problem before, a long time ago, and cannot for the life of me remember what to do to make the character format stick. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Tom Scalise Manager, Technical Documentation Cross Match Technologies, Inc. 3950 RCA Boulevard, Suite 5001 Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 U.S.A. T +1 561 622 5416 F +1 561 622 9938 thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential, proprietary, inside and/or legally privileged information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then permanently delete it from your system. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Cross Match Technologies, Inc.® , DigitalPersona® and the DigitalPersona logos are registered trademarks or trademarks of Cross Match Technologies, Inc and DigitalPersona, Inc. in the United States and other countries. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
Before anyone relies on the automatic backup files that FrameMaker create, you need to be aware that these are *NOT* true backups. A true backup would result if Frame saved a second copy of the file that you just saved, and that is *not* what happens. Instead, all Frame does is rename the *last previous* version of the file that you saved with a second extension (i.e., filename.fm.backup) rather than letting the OS mark it as an unused disk space available for reallocation. The backup file is always one save behind the current state of the file. And because Frame actually won't let you save a file that it thinks hasn't been changed in some way, it is effectively guaranteed that the .fm.backup file cannot be an identical copy of the latest saved file. This feature was clearly a quick and dirty implementation that was added to FrameMaker in its distant history (it's been this way for at least 20 years--back to FM4.0, at least) and has been with us ever since. I suppose it's better than losing a file completely, but not by much. If the feature made a real backup, I'd probably leave it enabled as a just in case, but as it it it is the first thing I turn off in every FrameMaker installation I use. -Fred Ridder From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:13:04 + Yes, I could do that too, but then I’d have to run it in reverse if FM ran into trouble and it needed one of those “extra” files to recover/restore from – FM needs the smarts to be able to know where they’re located and retrieve from that location when needed, which it’s currently lacking. Break out the wish list ;) From: Keith Soltys [mailto:keith.sol...@tmx.com] Sent: September-05-14 8:48 AM To: Jeff Coatsworth Subject: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp I run a batch file at least at the end of every day to move my backup files into their own directory. I could probably automate this with ExtendScript, if I had the time to figure it out. But a batch file is simple, and it works (as long as I remember to run it). Regards, Keith From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:37 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp They probably weren’t corrupted at all – you just had selected the backup instead of the “live” copy when you opened up the next file (and then your workflow just perpetuated the mistake). One longstanding FM grumble is the program’s desire to always maintain all its files (.book, .fm, .backup, .lck, .auto, etc.) in one location – you can never designate another place to keep those “extra” file types out of the way. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Apurva Bahadur Sent: September-05-14 5:50 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp Fellow Framers, Problem solved after some investigation, although I cannot understand the entire process. Problem · While editing, I created the various FM files by renaming and saving the complete file as the next file, deleting the existing stuff and editing new content on the page. · Somewhere in the process, one FM file got corrupted and ended with the extension '.backup' instead of '.fm.' · Due to 'save as' process, all the subsequent files had the '.backup' extension. · Even on corruption, these .backup extension files were visible in the FM book. I could open, edit and create perfect pdf outputs of the FM book. · However, Robohelp refused to recognize the files with .backup extension and made a CHM containing only the files with proper .fm extension. · This resulted in an incomplete CHM, and a growing sense of helpless panic... Solution · I opened the corrupted files from within FM book and saved them by a different name. I checked in the Windows explored that the copy of the files were saved with the proper .fm extension. · I added the renamed files to the book and deleted the corrupted files from the book.That was all to it. I couldn't have solved this problem from within Framemaker itself as the book showed the corrupted files as normal FM files - I would open edit and save them without any indication of an error. So, when black magic starts to happen, please check the extensions of files in Windows explorer! Any idea why FM book could open a file with .backup extension? Probably .backup are valid FM files, as these display a smaller version of the Framemaker icon in the Windows explorer. Regards, Apurva NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached
RE: Finding styles with a space after the name
Create a new, arbitrary paragraph. Apply the mystery style to it. Examine its characteristics. Keep or delete the style as appropriate. Or save the file as MIF and use a text editor to look for the style name with the errant space inside the style name delimiters and analyze the specified characteristics. And be aware that apparently unused style definitions can be used in some obscure places, like the formatting for the first-row cells that is contained in some table format definition. -Fred Ridder From: li...@techcomplus.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Finding styles with a space after the name Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:13:26 -0600 FM 12 Win 7 All, Please know that I inherited all these files. ;-) I keep my styles much cleaner when I create them. So, now I've found (using Paragraph Tools from Silicon Prairie) that there are both Body and Body[space] styles. I've opened three different files that are supposed to have both styles, but I can't find any occurrences of Body[space] on any Body, Master, or Reference page in any of the files. I searched using Paragraph Tag for Body[pressed spacebar], Simple Search, Whole Word. Is there something else I can do to find this style with the space after the name? I want to see the formatting to see if it's the same as Body. I want to consolidate them, of course, into one style (sans space). Thanks! ~ Linda G. Gallagher STC Fellow TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 Tutorials, show me demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style
Are you saying that the original paragraph has a character format applied? If so, that character format will correctly override any changes in default character format of the underlying paragraph format. You will need to remove the CorporateColor_Primary character tag to let the text revert to the Default ¶ format. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:09:18 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style Importing revised paragraph format to other files in book: Although the ending file shows the correct paragraph format name, the contents of the paragraph format are not getting imported. Original paragraph format had 14pt Myriad Pro with bold and colour as CorporateColor_Primary *new* paragraph format was Times Roman 12pt unbolded. I imported the paragraph formats several times with the same result. -Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product. Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., elementX) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., /elementX) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
The article you cite is about the *Model* Interchange Format that relates to HL7, which Wikipedia tells me is a set of international standards for transfer of clinical and administrative data between Hospital information systems. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the *Maker* Interchange Format that is used in FrameMaker other than the same acronym. MIF ≠ MIF in this case. And as I said, the highlighting you see may be useful, but it is an accidental artifact of MIF's use of angle brackets as delimiters. -Fred Ridder Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:50:57 +0300 From: shmue...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? When I said that MIF was based on XML, I was taking that from this page: http://www.ringholm.com/docs/03060_en_HL7_MIF.htm The Model Interchange Format (MIF) is a set of XML formats used to support the storage and exchange of HL7 version 3 artefacts as part of the HL7 Development Framework. I'm really not an expert on MIF or XML, but the syntax highlighting in SciTE when I selected XML was much better than no highlighting at all. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 05-Oct-14 5:06 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product. Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., elementX) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., /elementX) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
should I use to look at MIF files? Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 12:25:40 -0400 The article you cite is about the *Model* Interchange Format that relates to HL7, which Wikipedia tells me is a set of international standards for transfer of clinical and administrative data between Hospital information systems. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the *Maker* Interchange Format that is used in FrameMaker other than the same acronym. MIF ≠ MIF in this case. And as I said, the highlighting you see may be useful, but it is an accidental artifact of MIF's use of angle brackets as delimiters. -Fred Ridder Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:50:57 +0300 From: shmue...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? When I said that MIF was based on XML, I was taking that from this page: http://www.ringholm.com/docs/03060_en_HL7_MIF.htm The Model Interchange Format (MIF) is a set of XML formats used to support the storage and exchange of HL7 version 3 artefacts as part of the HL7 Development Framework. I'm really not an expert on MIF or XML, but the syntax highlighting in SciTE when I selected XML was much better than no highlighting at all. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 05-Oct-14 5:06 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product.? Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., ) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., ) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Largely correct. Interleaf TPS predated FrameMaker by about 5 years. Until about 1990, both it and FrameMaker only ran on workstations and minicomputers (SUN SPARCstations, DEC PDPs, etc.) so the Interleaf licensing model was actually pretty familiar to (if not popular with) customers. Interleaf was also a structured authoring tool years before structured information (e.g., SGML) became an accepted concept, so I'd have to say that it was the real pioneer. But the combination of unpopular licensing and unfamiliar document model definitely gave FrameMaker a leg up when they got started. Another competitor started the same year as Frame, namely Ventura Publisher, who had the weight of Xerox behind them (this may or may not have been a good thing). Publisher had the advantage of being able to directly accept content created in a variety of other applications, such as MS Word, Wordstar, and WordPerfect, but had the disadvantage of not being a useable self-contained document authoring environment like FrameMaker. And there was also LaTeX for the hard core who didn't believe in WYSIWYG (or WYSIAWYG). When the Windows version of FrameMaker came along in 1991, and FrameBuilder (the SGML version) in 1992, there were a whole new set of competitors, including startup Arbortext in the SGML arena. -Fred Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:22:42 +0100 To: docu...@hotmail.com; craig...@hotmail.com; shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? At 10:11 -0400 6/10/14, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Craig, but there's nothing to suggest that MIF has any basis in SGML, either. Just goes to show how pioneering the original product was. Afair, its only competitor was Interleaf, which required one 'administrator' per six or so seats. -- Steve [reliving bitter memories from 1993-4] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
I'm glad someone else had a clearer recollection than I did of the PostScript Helvetica problem. I remember having to follow our corporate help desk's recommendation to uninstall the PostScript version of Helvetica to fix some issue that I don't remember the details of, but that I seem to recall was related to PDF generation. I do believe that it was a Windows 7 issue (I think it was the result of a system patch) because I almost never use Internet Explorer -- like most of our engineers and developers, I use Firefox. It's easy to test this fix. Just move all files named HV*.pfm or HV*.pfb (there are normally four of each) to a different folder and restart your computer. If this doesn't fix the problem, just move the files back to their original location. -Fred Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:13:47 -0500 From: i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF Adding to Stuart's answer, if this is a situation where Windows is reading a printer-resident version of Helvetica from a Postscript printer-- rather than using a font that is actually installed on the computer--, the situation is usually easily fixable. The printer installation disk should contain a folder that holds all the printer-resident fonts. You canmanually install any that you want on the computer and they will then be embeddable in a PDF. There is a warning related to Helvetica, though. There is a Windows or Internet Explorer bug (I forget which), which causes Web pages to display blank if they contain Helvetica as the first listed font in CSS and the Postscript version of Helvetica is installed on the computer. So if you start seeing blank Web pages in your browser, try uninstalling Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. Mike Wickham Are you sure the client actually has Helvetica on their system, and that Adobe PDF is their default printer (at least when using FM -- see Sundorne Setprint plugin)? It's possible their hardware printer is reporting the presence of Helvetica to the operating system, so that it appears to be present, but a printer-resident font can't be embedded in PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Adobe offers the Helvetica Std OpenType package (roman, oblique, bold, and bold oblique) for 5 users for $99.00, which might be a hand and a foot, but hardly an arm and a leg. See http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1424 Of course, if you want the compressed, condensed, light, and black variants, it starts adding up at $29 each, and the Full Family package Robert mentioned starts looking better at its $360 price rather than $522 for 18 individual fonts. If you can live without the semibold weight of Caslon, you might want to look at the Type Basics OpenType package, which includes the four basic variants of the Caslon face, along with 61 other fonts for $99.00 (5 user license). See http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1902 . The Caslon Pro package with all six variants of the face is $135.00 without the 61 other fonts, which are actually pretty intelligently chosen. But it seems to me that one advantage of the Adobe type store is that you can buy and download just the variants that you actually need to use, since the discount for most of the family bundles ranges between 14% for small bundles to 31% for the Helvetica Full Family bundle. And then there are the loss-leader bundles like the Type Basics package, which would cost over $2000 at the full individual prices. -Fred Ridder From: syed.hos...@aeris.net To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:34:11 -0700 Subject: RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF Robert Lauriston wrote: Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes. http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767 Yeah. I saw that ... as well as the Adobe Helvetica Neue package at over $900 in the link I sent in my other post. And, Helvetica is even more expensive at the Linotype web site. Depending on whether you want PS or TT internals, the prices go from $9 to $35 per font ... adding up in a hurry! That is just too expensive for just one font (well ... one font family is more accurate) for my desire to update the font. That is why I asked about not having to pay an arm and a leg. :) Z On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Mike Wickham said: … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Consistent Conditional Text
There is a fairly easy workaround that I used to use in FM7, when I was using conditional text *a lot*. It's been a while since I've used conditional text more than occasionally, so I can't guarantee it still works. Basically, if you press Enter in the middle of a conditionalized paragraph, the new pilcrow *will* be conditional. The problem is only wen the insertion point immediately precedes the pilcrow. So the workaround it to enter a space and then use the cursor key to move to the left of the space before you press Enter. That way, there is conditinal content on both sides of the IP, and the new pilcrow will have the condition applied to it. -Fred Ridder From: da...@davidartman.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Consistent Conditional Text Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 07:16:58 -0700 Yes, you must always turn on View Text Symbols when you are performing conditional markup (and troubleshooting). The 'gotcha' in FrameMaker is that if you are typing inside of a condition and press Enter for a new paragraph, FM does NOT conditionalize the pilcrow. [I do not know why this is the default behavior; I've always considered it a significant bug, but maybe there's a logical reason for it to default to that behavior and have no way to change it...?] David Original Message You need to include the paragraph marker at the end of the bulleted or non-bulleted paragraph in the conditional text. That is not a rule of thumb, it is simply telling Frame which portion of content (visible or non-visible) to make conditional. It might help to switch on the display of hidden characters, such as paragraph endings and tabs, so you can see when they are included in your conditional sections. Does anyone have a list of rules of thumb when using conditional text ? I When I mark the text the results that I get when I turn the conditions on or off are inconsistent. For example if I have a bulleted list and I only want certain bullets to appear under certain conditions when I hide the condition the bullet remains (i.e., I am left with a bullet and no text) when I want both the text and the bullet to be removed if the bulleted item is not supposed to show up. Another such occurrence is if I select a paragraph that is conditional and I hide the condition the paragraph is removed but the spacing between the preceding and following paragraphs is not adjusted properly. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed in Adobe Reader 11
More to the point, once you have installed the headless PDF distiller that comes with FrameMaker, trying to uninstall it is likely to clobber any installation of Acrobat Standard or Acrobat Pro because the uninstall script would be unaware of the existence of those tools and the fact that they depend on some of the same components that the FrameMaker installaller put on your system. It may be that if you try to uninstall the headless tool, you'll wind up having to reinstall Acrobat. This is why it is so important to opt out of the part of the FM installation that installs the headless distiller. It might be the case that the FrameMaker installer has been made more intelligent in recent versions of Frame so that it actually checks for an existing Acrobat installation (I'm still back on FM9 for several reasons si I don't know about newer installations...), but I wouldn't count on it. -Fred Ridder From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed in Adobe Reader 11 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:22:31 + The standalone instance of FM has been known to not be very observant of the existence of the full Acrobat Pro version already installed – so if you don’t turn that part off, the installer clobbers your full version with the “headless” one. Regarding round-tripping review PDFs – make sure that you are all patched up in FM – I think there were some issues with the first release of FM12. From: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com [mailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com] Sent: November-18-14 7:40 AM To: Jeff Coatsworth Subject: RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed in Adobe Reader 11 Thanks, Jeff. Can you tell me how it can ditch the pdf plug-in from FM12? Once that's done, if I understand correctly, I would then print to Adobe PDF making sure that it is a tagged pdf. Reviewers then would make their edits and comments in the pdf, which I then import into the FM12 document. However, when I just tried this, all of the edits/comments came in misplaced. What would cause edits and comments to be misplaced? Tom Beiswenger Project Manager, Manager Technical Documentation Emhart Glass Inc 1140 Sullivan St • Elmira, NY 14901 • USA Telephone +1 607 735 4279 • Mobile +1 607 769 4779 Fax +1 607 734 1245 tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com www.bucheremhartglass.com www.bucherindustries.com From:Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date:11/18/2014 07:22 AM Subject:RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed inAdobe Reader 11 Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Certain versions of Windows include the ability to run separate installations of different operating systems – see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine The Review feature is a function of Acrobat – ditching the headless version that ships with standalone FM will require the full version to be installed to be able to use it. From: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com [mailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com] Sent: November-17-14 8:00 AM To: Jeff Coatsworth Subject: RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed in Adobe Reader 11 OK, I'm a little confused here. First, I'm not sure what you mean by using a virtual machine. Second, one of the attractive features of FM12 is the save as review PDF feature. Is is possible to unload the PDF plug-in and still keep this feature? Tom Beiswenger Project Manager, Manager Technical Documentation Emhart Glass Inc 1140 Sullivan St • Elmira, NY 14901 • USA Telephone +1 607 735 4279 • Mobile +1 607 769 4779 Fax +1 607 734 1245 tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com www.bucheremhartglass.com www.bucherindustries.com From:Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date:11/14/2014 05:20 PM Subject:RE: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed inAdobe Reader 11 Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com For testing different Reader scenarios - yes or use Virtual Machines to test your work on -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: November-14-14 8:29 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Problem with playing video clips in FM 12 document viewed in Adobe Reader 11 At 07:03 -0600 14/11/14, Mike Wickham wrote: If you have Acrobat, you should not install Reader or the PDF Creation Add-on that comes with FrameMaker on that same computer. I'm sure this is true, Mike, but it's
RE: Persist a variable to the next file
There is another way to do it that doesn't use either a Running H/F system variable or a cross-reference, but whether it can be used depends on whether you are already using both the $volnum and $chapnum system variables. Simply put, for each set of files that make up a given chapter you define either the $volnum or $chapnum system variable to be Text format (at the very bottom of the format list), with the value set to a string that matches the title of the chapter. Then in the master pages, you use either the $volnum or $chapnum, as appropriate, in place of the Running H/F 1 system variable in the header or footer layout. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:21:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Persist a variable to the next file From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com OK, that was about what I thought. The short answer is, you can't do it with a RunningH/F, as it only picks up the information in the CURRENT file. If you want to bring the Chapter title over from a previous file, you'll have to edit the master page to use a cross-reference back to the file with the title in it (and set the link color to black so it doesn't look like a link). Then you have to remember that this will need to be redone every time you import page layouts to those files. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote: Nothing complicated about it: $paratext[ChapterTitle] I don't think the issue is the composition of the variable...it works fine when the page has a paragraph tag Chapter Title. The issue is when the para text doesn't appear in the FM file, but does in a previous file that I want to carry forward. John X Posada AML Syst Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC RC Systems Control Analytics | HSBC North America Holdings Inc 330 Madison Ave., NY NY ___ Phone Int: 212-525-5483 Ext: Personal cellphone - 732-259-2874 Mobile Company Blackberry - 224-600-0570 Email john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com ___ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to! | | From: | | --| |Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com | --| | | To:| | --| |John X Posada/HBUS/HSBC@HSBC02 | --| | | Cc:| | --| |Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com | --| | | Date: | | --| |12/08/2014 05:01 PM | --| | | Subject: | | --| |Re: Persist a variable to the next file | --| Can you copy paste the code you have in your variable and send it to the list? On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:55 PM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote: Good afternoon, guys.. I have a book that uses the variable Running H/F 1
RE: Text Inset vs. Variable Question (UNCLASSIFIED)
Maeli Zacchetti wrote: On previous projects I’ve used ~20 part name variables (created in a master file, then applied to each *.fm file through a book update) and then inserted that part’s variable any time I need to use the part name. For this project with 100+ parts it seems like that could start getting painful, just in terms of scrolling through a massive variable list. I was thinking that I could use text insets as another option, if it were possible to import from a single cell in a table (e.g. excel file). That would let me use the spreadsheet that I’d have to create anyway for planning out the variables (and internal tracking of what name I’m assigning to a given part number). In the past I’ve used text insets to reference repeated short paragraphs, using a series of individual text documents to hold each paragraph. So I guess I could do the same thing again, but then I’d end up with 100+ text files, which seems like a different kind of inconvenient compared to the 100+ variables. It's not necessary to use one file per inset. Text insets import a text *flow*, not the whole file (even if your files have only one flow, you still have to select that flow when you're inserting an inset). What you can have is a series of files that have multiple, named flows in them. At least this way you're able to break the hundreds of variables down into a 2-level hierarchy so that you could avoid having either level's selection list longer than 15 (up to 225 discrete insets) to 20 (up to 400) choices. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
I'm curious about one thing (well, more than just one; but one thing in the current context...): Has Adobe ever actually said that they use FrameMaker produce the FrameMaker documentation? I know that Microsoft has never made any such statement about the MS Word documentation, and for years there have been two persistent rumors about this; one is that they use a proprietary in-house tool or system, and another is that they use FrameMaker. -FR From: craig...@hotmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:19:05 -0600 They walk around while reading the help docs created in Framemaker. Sorry if I was unclear. The proof of concept is that FM can be used to create this sort of documentation. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Nobody walks around while using FrameMaker. My guess is they chose Responsive HTML over WebHelp for the same reason they dropped topics, used larger type and screen shots, added page breaks, and posted a URL to pages not visible to the public. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Setup has detected . . .
Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the Acrobat installation. And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date. -Fred Ridder Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800 From: poshe...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . . To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hey Tom, At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup. And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish button and when you click on it, the whole thing closes. No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this or that. And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an issue. Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas. -- Ken in Atlanta On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote: Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable pdf printing. Load acrobat next. Tom BeiswengerManager, technical training documentationBucher Emhart GlassSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote: I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive partition is for my data folders and files.Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and D drives onto my external hard drive.I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial button during these tests) and it runs fine.But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening (splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now terminate and the OK button.I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but exactly as a pdf file.So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something that I should edit? And if so, where and how?I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 RE-install.Cripe. What a way to start the new year.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tom.beiswenger%40emhartglass.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Acrobat X: Manually sending a Shared Review
I don't think that's entirely true, Tino. You can still do a email-based PDF review with an unsupported mail system, but it's not automatic and it probably won't be integrated back to the FrameMaker source (I don't know about this last because I've never tried it). The process involves exporting the comments from the PDF that each reviewer sends and then importing those comments into the master review PDF. Look in the Options menu for the Comments List section of the Comments tool palette (or whatevertheheck Adobe calls it...) for the Export All as Data File and Import Data File commands. Not ideal, but it works, particularly if you keep the master file up to date and in a shared location, and all the reviewers are good about grabbing the latest copy of the master file before starting to add their own comments. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:50:17 +0100 From: i...@heiko-haida.de To: ljsims...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Acrobat X: Manually sending a Shared Review Hi Lin, if Acrobat does not recognize the email client (like when a web-based email is used), you cannot send the file specially prepared for the review, which means that you cannot use the email review process at all (as far as I understand it). You would not be able to store your PDF file in the specific format that is necessary for the workflow; e.g. to collect all comments in one final version at the end of one review cycle, Acrobat has to recognize the files as original or commented versions of one review process. (...I guess.) There are two other options for a workflow which is not email-based but server-based: 1) A server-path is available for all reviewers (could be WebDAV) 2) acrobat.com could be used as a server (Adobe ID required for setup) In both cases the reviewers would either work with the server copy, or work with local copies, where each comment is automatically transfered to the server copy. This way, all comments are visible immediately for all reviewers and can also be answered, which can be very useful (connection to server-path/internet must be available to publish the comments). This way, the comments do not have to be re-imported into the original version from all the different commented files. Best regards - Tino H. Haida. Berlin Lin Sims: Acrobat X doesn't support using a web-based email for sending Shared Review invitations. It does let you manually send invitations, but I've not been able to find actual instructions for how to do that. The situation is complicated by the fact that I am using WebDAV and a cloud storage service for collecting the review comments. I'm assuming that what you do is attach the review file to an email and send it on with whatever information is required, but you know what they say about assumptions. I'm also wondering what, if anything, will happen if a reviewer tried to open the folder Acrobat creates for storing comments on the cloud server. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding
Not to minimize your question, but... With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good return on investment. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of FM to FM12)? I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running the Save as Reduced Size. Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 correctly, or is there a solution? Thanks, -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding
Fair enough. But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us have had no need to pay attention to this issue. -FR Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF wash). *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this works. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Not to minimize your question, but... With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good return on investment. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of FM to FM12)? I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running the Save as Reduced Size. Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 correctly, or is there a solution? Thanks, -- Lin Sims -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding
And I wasn't jumping on you, either, Lin. I wanted to clarify to several others who had replied (off-list and on-) that they have similar concerns to yours but for different reasons that many (maybe most) FrameMaker users don't pay much attention to file size because there's no need for them to do so. Yes, there will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for most of us, it simply is what it is. -FR Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:51 -0500 Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Fair enough. But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us have had no need to pay attention to this issue. -FR Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF wash). *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this works. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Not to minimize your question, but... With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good return on investment. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of FM to FM12)? I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running the Save as Reduced Size. Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 correctly, or is there a solution? Thanks, -- Lin Sims -- Lin Sims -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: limiting adjectives vs possessive adjectives
Yes, there are restrictive [and non-restrictive] adjectives, which is what I assume you are referring to as limiting adjectives (a term I failed to find in any of my handy grammar/linguistics references). But I don't think that's what we are dealing with here in the non-possessive case, because I don't believe we're dealing with adjectives at all. Most people remember that adjectives modify nouns, but forget that they are not the *only* things that modify nouns. In some cases verbs modify nouns (e.g., the sitting president), and in many cases -- particularly in technical writing -- nouns modify nouns. Nouns that modify nouns are referred to as attributive nouns or noun adjuncts. They almost always appear before the noun they modify (an attributive or prepositive position) and they typically identify a property or attribute of the noun that follows rather than directly modifying the noun itself. The classical example of an attributive noun phrase in English is chicken soup. Both words are nouns, but it is undeniable that the first noun modifies our understanding of what the second noun represents. Exactly what the relationship is varies widely; the second noun could be made from the first (e.g., chicken soup), intended for the first (e.g., user manual), composed of the first (e.g., butterfly migration), dependent on the first (e.g., church wedding) -- basically any semantic relationship other than simple possession by. And you can string a bunch of them together without any of the usual concerns about commas in adjective series. (E.g., The chicken soup tureen ladle handle was covered with schmaltz.) Both user manual and butterfly migration fit this pattern. Both user and butterfly are nouns that modify the sense of the nouns that follow them. And they are unlike adjectives because they cannot be used predicatively. -FR From: craig...@hotmail.com To: shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: limiting adjectives vs possessive adjectives Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:38:33 -0500 Shmuel, In an earlier post on this topic I pointed out that in English we have adjectives of varying types, two of which are: possessive adjectives limiting adjectives User manual is a example of the latter and limits the intended audience. Another example of this is butterfly migration which limits the scope of those things migrating. Non-native speakers often miss this distinction and say things like butterflies migration. My wife is a native Spanish speaker and she claims Spanish does not allow such limiting adjectives instead saying the migration of the butterfly. (Note the singular butterfly, mimicking the singular user in English.) Putting butterfly migration into google translate results in migración de la mariposa in Spanish. (Not that that proves anything.) Craig From: Shmuel [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:19 AM To: Craig, Alison; hessiansx4; Framers Subject: Re: User's manual vs. User manual We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How do explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't it missing the apostrophe s? -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12
In Word, it's an autocorrect as you type option, and it still exists. Except that two hypens is autocorrected to an *en*-dash, not an em-dash. In FrameMaker, I find the easiest approach is to use the Windows keyboard shortcut for extended characters. You hold down the Alt key and then type a 4-digit code on the *numeric* keypad (with NumLock on, of course). For an en-dash, it's Alt+0150 For an em-dash, it's Alt+0151 This works in all standard Windows apps. Otherwise, you can go ahead and type two hyphens and then later do a global find replace. Or you could define a custom keyboard shortcut if you really want to. -Fred Ridder To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12 From: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:09:24 -0500 In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or similar in FM12? Tom Beiswenger Manager, Technical Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc. 1140 Sullivan St. Elmira, NY 14901 PH: +607 735-4279 FX: +607 734-8278 Mobile: +607 769-4779 Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
