Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Louise Keel Sent: 09 September 2009 19:57 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi everyone. I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by its radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some doing! The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer and video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are parents. But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right to tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is up to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up Old Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it into my head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game! And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. Best Lulu Keel. Now faith, hope, love abide, these three. But the greatest of these is love. - Original Message - From: ChB chr1...@gmx.de To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who force their beliefs on their kids or abandon them when they try to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list when responding to something like this. Many thanks. On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called watchtower library that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] a question for you mainstream guys out there and those who played the old nintendo games before losing sight
Though I stil have enough vision to play original packman (symple high contrast graphics), I actually prefer the audio version as a game. You have the added task of navigating the maze and locating the dots, and it's much more enjoyable suddenly turning a corner and being faced with a ghost than just looking and instantly knowing that the ghosts are a long way from you. I'll admit, i do also find the audio one easier to play owing to field of vision issues, but stil, I'd say converting the game to audio adds a lot more challenge interest, and replayability to it. As far as maps go, I find the map in dynaman fairly understandable sinse I've only got to care about where the dots are and nothing else, and vaguelying knowing that they're in the center of the level rather than at a corner is extremely helpful. In Sarah however, I find the map slightly harder to deal with owing to the greater variety of things in each level, and the more complex layout. Perhaps the map could be made eaiser to deal with by introducing a specific key press to read each row of the level, say when first activating the map, you get a left to right view of what is immediately on the same horizontal level as your character, then hotkeys could be added to scan the rows above and below. that way the player would have more reference when reading the map as to what he/she was looking at relative to her/his character's position. Afterall, in audio chess or battleships games it's possible to read each row, and an audio map for a game showing a top down view ala packman is only an extention of the same viewing principle. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a question for you mainstream guys out there and those who played the old nintendo games before losing sight Hi Nicol, Actually, Packman was originally released in 1982 for the Atari 2600 console. It did not have a dot detector, because it wasn't needed. A sighted person could see the entire maze on screen and could see where all of the dots were. All a person had to do is move his little Packman character--a yello ball with eyes--to the dot in question and eat it. Nicol wrote: Hi all, especially those who can remember the classic pack man game on the Nintendo systems. Did the original pack man game also had a dot detector like phil's pack man game which you can turn on and off? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue. I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the Christian viewpoint--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying that is what a good faithful Christian believes the statement would be more correct if it said that is what anyone in their right mind believes. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Louise Keel' louise.k...@comproom.co.uk; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Louise Keel Sent: 09 September 2009 19:57 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi everyone. I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by its radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some doing! The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer and video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are parents. But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right to tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is up to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up Old Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it into my head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game! And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. Best Lulu Keel. Now faith, hope, love abide, these three. But the greatest of these is love. - Original Message - From: ChB chr1...@gmx.de To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who force their beliefs on their kids or abandon them when they try to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, September
[Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming
Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue. I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the Christian viewpoint--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying that is what a good faithful Christian believes the statement would be more correct if it said that is what anyone in their right mind believes. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Louise Keel' louise.k...@comproom.co.uk ; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming
The incredibly stupid part is also that usually the ones condemning video games are the ones who have nebver even played a single one of those games themselves. Bigottry comes with a lot of prejudice, be it games or against other minority people. It is probably best to just ignore such attempts and not give it acknowledgement by even bother discussing them. That just makes them think one is taking them seriously. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue. I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the Christian viewpoint--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying that is what a good faithful Christian believes the statement would be more correct if it said that is what anyone in their right mind believes. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Louise Keel' louise.k...@comproom.co.uk ; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] A sapi voice question
Hello all, my question can be treeted as off-topic, but it could also be related to games as long as sapi is used in certain games. I am looking for a sapi 4 or sapi 5 voice that that speaks with the voice of the eloquence sinthesizer. I hurd that such voice exists, that's why I ask. So where it could be found? Or at least, what is the exact name of the voice? Thanks in advance, and best regards! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a question for you mainstream guys out there and those who played the old nintendo games before losing sight
Hi Dark, Yeah, Packman Talks is strategically different from the original in that you can't see where all the ghosts are at one single glance. There is always that possibility you will be zooming down a corridor at maximum speed and a ghost will get you buy surprise. However, the original off set this by giving the ghosts lots of speed. Even though you could see where all the ghosts were in the original game they were fast and difficult to avoid once they were on your tail. Especially, on higher difficulty levels. dark wrote: Though I stil have enough vision to play original packman (symple high contrast graphics), I actually prefer the audio version as a game. You have the added task of navigating the maze and locating the dots, and it's much more enjoyable suddenly turning a corner and being faced with a ghost than just looking and instantly knowing that the ghosts are a long way from you. I'll admit, i do also find the audio one easier to play owing to field of vision issues, but stil, I'd say converting the game to audio adds a lot more challenge interest, and replayability to it. As far as maps go, I find the map in dynaman fairly understandable sinse I've only got to care about where the dots are and nothing else, and vaguelying knowing that they're in the center of the level rather than at a corner is extremely helpful. In Sarah however, I find the map slightly harder to deal with owing to the greater variety of things in each level, and the more complex layout. Perhaps the map could be made eaiser to deal with by introducing a specific key press to read each row of the level, say when first activating the map, you get a left to right view of what is immediately on the same horizontal level as your character, then hotkeys could be added to scan the rows above and below. that way the player would have more reference when reading the map as to what he/she was looking at relative to her/his character's position. Afterall, in audio chess or battleships games it's possible to read each row, and an audio map for a game showing a top down view ala packman is only an extention of the same viewing principle. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
I punched a lot of pillows as well, and it did help. Also I would rather see a kid playing appropriate games for his age at home, then have him beat up old ladies and rob handbags. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question
Hi, The voice you are speaking of is called Viavoice Outloud. It is Sapi 4 compliant so would only work with games that supports Sapi 4 voices. Milos Przic wrote: Hello all, my question can be treeted as off-topic, but it could also be related to games as long as sapi is used in certain games. I am looking for a sapi 4 or sapi 5 voice that that speaks with the voice of the eloquence sinthesizer. I hurd that such voice exists, that's why I ask. So where it could be found? Or at least, what is the exact name of the voice? Thanks in advance, and best regards! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question
Ok, but still, where it can be found? Is it free? And thanks for a quick response! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question Hi, The voice you are speaking of is called Viavoice Outloud. It is Sapi 4 compliant so would only work with games that supports Sapi 4 voices. Milos Przic wrote: Hello all, my question can be treeted as off-topic, but it could also be related to games as long as sapi is used in certain games. I am looking for a sapi 4 or sapi 5 voice that that speaks with the voice of the eloquence sinthesizer. I hurd that such voice exists, that's why I ask. So where it could be found? Or at least, what is the exact name of the voice? Thanks in advance, and best regards! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming
Hi Munawar, you have raised some good points here. The opinion of one or two individuals doesn't make a solid case for how the majority of parents or children feel about these games. They wouldn't even name the individuals that were supposed to have been interviewed making the research completely suspect as far as credibility is concerned. Then, asking a bunch of rhetorical questions backed up by bible verses doesn't make something necessarily true. All it does is state an opinion without proving anything. Sadly, I've read a lot of Christian articles like this and they are often largely based on opinion rather than any real facts. For example, several Christian fundamentalists I know believe that the earth is only 6,000 to 10,000 years old. They would like nothing more than to have evolution kicked out of the public schools, and have their version of creationism taught instead. However, the problem most people have with creationism is that it holds very little scientific weight, and simply isn't credible from a strictly scientific point of view. We know for a fact that the earth is millions of years old therefore the idea that the earth is only 6,000 to 10,000 years old is just ridiculous to most people. Trying to rationalize it without physical and scientific evidence isn't going to convince anyone of its reality. Same goes for this gaming article. They don't offer any statistics that playing games makes kids more violent, that they are drawn into the occult, that they will grow up without Christian values, etc. They just assume so, and hope you agree with them. This isn't good scientific evidence, but just ramblings from some fundamentalist group that is protesting something that conflicts with their personal values and beliefs. Munawar Bijani wrote: Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue. I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the Christian viewpoint--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying that is what a good faithful Christian believes the statement would be more correct if it said that is what anyone in their right mind believes. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question
I was searching a little, and found something called IBM Viavoice. Is that the thing we are talking about? Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question Hi, The voice you are speaking of is called Viavoice Outloud. It is Sapi 4 compliant so would only work with games that supports Sapi 4 voices. Milos Przic wrote: Hello all, my question can be treeted as off-topic, but it could also be related to games as long as sapi is used in certain games. I am looking for a sapi 4 or sapi 5 voice that that speaks with the voice of the eloquence sinthesizer. I hurd that such voice exists, that's why I ask. So where it could be found? Or at least, what is the exact name of the voice? Thanks in advance, and best regards! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] A sapi voice question
Hi, No, it is not free. The only way I know to get Outloud is by buying the full IBM Viavoice software. IBM Viavoice is a dictation program similar to Dragon Naturally Speaking, but isn't as accessible. Milos Przic wrote: Ok, but still, where it can be found? Is it free? And thanks for a quick response! Milos Przic skype: Milosh-hs msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming
Hi, Unfortunately, I've met my fair share of people like that. My in-laws are a prime example of the type of bigots that they think they are the judge, jury, and executioner on everything and anything regardless if they know anything factual about it or not. Such condemning evidence can come from a brief commercial, what roomers they have heard, or another Christians opinion on the subject. in other words they draw their conclusions not on facts but on other's subjective opinions, comments, and their own bias towards this or that. For example, when I first met my wife her family and I got into a topic about movies, entertainment, etc. I made the mistake of mentioning i was a big fan of Star Wars. Her parents started in on me right away that Star Wars was evil, Satanic, and they had devils in it, etc. It was obvious from the conversation that they didn't have a clue what Star Wars was about, and they had a subjective notion based on completely false information. After arguing back and forth for a while I soon discovered they had seen a commercial for the Phantom menace where they had seen a brief clip of Darth Maul. They assumed because Darth Maul looked like a devil that he was to play the part of Satan in the movie. Their conclusion was totally false, of course, but that's how easily they were convinced Star Wars is Satanic. My point is that if people like that want to be taken seriously when discussing the morality of games, movies, books, whatever they first have to get their facts straight. Only facts, not assumptions, will be a more effective tool in making their argument and will strengthen their case. Simply stating game x, movie x, or book x is evil without offering up real facts or evidence to back up their opinion is meaningless. ChB wrote: The incredibly stupid part is also that usually the ones condemning video games are the ones who have nebver even played a single one of those games themselves. Bigottry comes with a lot of prejudice, be it games or against other minority people. It is probably best to just ignore such attempts and not give it acknowledgement by even bother discussing them. That just makes them think one is taking them seriously. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue. I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the Christian viewpoint--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying that is what a good faithful Christian believes the statement would be more correct if it said that is what anyone in their right mind believes. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Louise Keel' louise.k...@comproom.co.uk ; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
If my other half would only realize this. When I get frustrated, or worse, mad, I sometimes stomp on the floor or talk under my breath. That's better than hurting any human, isn't it? It does not make me a terrible person if I do these things. I sometimes play a game of either Aliens in the Outback or Troopanum2 to relieve pent up frustration. This, too, is far better than taking something out on other humans. I would never hurt someone out of anger, especially women. I'm just not that kind of guy. But I sure do like my games at times! As for religious beliefs and games, I know the difference between games and reality, and behave accordingly. Because I enjoy a series of books dealing with fictional characters learning and using magic, it does not mean that I am going to hell because I believe in magic or that I take part in magic. It merely means that I enjoy the fictional books. The key is that they are, and so are games, fictional, and I treat them accordingly. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming
My grandma is generally like that and so was my very first girlfriend. You didn't mention Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter or even CHronicles of Narnia around them. I found out that they believed Aslan was actually the devil since God would never give himself any kind of physical representation or somesuch. If they'd react that way about books they'd be just as bad about games. My x and I got into a big argument about an RPG I happen to be a fan of, a series actually, the first of which was called Lufia and the Fortress of Doom. Chelsey's problem stemmed partly from the fact that the heroes were engaged in battle with four godlike beings called Sinistrals. I guess in her mind we hsouldn't fight against a god, however evil he might be. Then there was the fact that the characters had to find and use various magical items to become more powerful so they would stand a chance. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, Unfortunately, I've met my fair share of people like that. My in-laws are a prime example of the type of bigots that they think they are the judge, jury, and executioner on everything and anything regardless if they know anything factual about it or not. Such condemning evidence can come from a brief commercial, what roomers they have heard, or another Christians opinion on the subject. in other words they draw their conclusions not on facts but on other's subjective opinions, comments, and their own bias towards this or that. For example, when I first met my wife her family and I got into a topic about movies, entertainment, etc. I made the mistake of mentioning i was a big fan of Star Wars. Her parents started in on me right away that Star Wars was evil, Satanic, and they had devils in it, etc. It was obvious from the conversation that they didn't have a clue what Star Wars was about, and they had a subjective notion based on completely false information. After arguing back and forth for a while I soon discovered they had seen a commercial for the Phantom menace where they had seen a brief clip of Darth Maul. They assumed because Darth Maul looked like a devil that he was to play the part of Satan in the movie. Their conclusion was totally false, of course, but that's how easily they were convinced Star Wars is Satanic. My point is that if people like that want to be taken seriously when discussing the morality of games, movies, books, whatever they first have to get their facts straight. Only facts, not assumptions, will be a more effective tool in making their argument and will strengthen their case. Simply stating game x, movie x, or book x is evil without offering up real facts or evidence to back up their opinion is meaningless. ChB wrote: The incredibly stupid part is also that usually the ones condemning video games are the ones who have nebver even played a single one of those games themselves. Bigottry comes with a lot of prejudice, be it games or against other minority people. It is probably best to just ignore such attempts and not give it acknowledgement by even bother discussing them. That just makes them think one is taking them seriously. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child? Maybe if they had more credible information instead of as one youth put it, I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called religious fundamentalism trying to destroy monotheism again. The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand,
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Lol and there was me thinking that you were going to start up a protect the earth federation because of the threat represented in aliens in the outback? Lol sorry couldn't resist smile. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 10 September 2009 19:02 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles If my other half would only realize this. When I get frustrated, or worse, mad, I sometimes stomp on the floor or talk under my breath. That's better than hurting any human, isn't it? It does not make me a terrible person if I do these things. I sometimes play a game of either Aliens in the Outback or Troopanum2 to relieve pent up frustration. This, too, is far better than taking something out on other humans. I would never hurt someone out of anger, especially women. I'm just not that kind of guy. But I sure do like my games at times! As for religious beliefs and games, I know the difference between games and reality, and behave accordingly. Because I enjoy a series of books dealing with fictional characters learning and using magic, it does not mean that I am going to hell because I believe in magic or that I take part in magic. It merely means that I enjoy the fictional books. The key is that they are, and so are games, fictional, and I treat them accordingly. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming
And yet the author of LOTR himself was a christian and interweeved a lot of his beliefs into the whole story. So I don't quite get that one. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 10 September 2009 17:03 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming My grandma is generally like that and so was my very first girlfriend. You didn't mention Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter or even CHronicles of Narnia around them. I found out that they believed Aslan was actually the devil since God would never give himself any kind of physical representation or somesuch. If they'd react that way about books they'd be just as bad about games. My x and I got into a big argument about an RPG I happen to be a fan of, a series actually, the first of which was called Lufia and the Fortress of Doom. Chelsey's problem stemmed partly from the fact that the heroes were engaged in battle with four godlike beings called Sinistrals. I guess in her mind we hsouldn't fight against a god, however evil he might be. Then there was the fact that the characters had to find and use various magical items to become more powerful so they would stand a chance. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, Unfortunately, I've met my fair share of people like that. My in-laws are a prime example of the type of bigots that they think they are the judge, jury, and executioner on everything and anything regardless if they know anything factual about it or not. Such condemning evidence can come from a brief commercial, what roomers they have heard, or another Christians opinion on the subject. in other words they draw their conclusions not on facts but on other's subjective opinions, comments, and their own bias towards this or that. For example, when I first met my wife her family and I got into a topic about movies, entertainment, etc. I made the mistake of mentioning i was a big fan of Star Wars. Her parents started in on me right away that Star Wars was evil, Satanic, and they had devils in it, etc. It was obvious from the conversation that they didn't have a clue what Star Wars was about, and they had a subjective notion based on completely false information. After arguing back and forth for a while I soon discovered they had seen a commercial for the Phantom menace where they had seen a brief clip of Darth Maul. They assumed because Darth Maul looked like a devil that he was to play the part of Satan in the movie. Their conclusion was totally false, of course, but that's how easily they were convinced Star Wars is Satanic. My point is that if people like that want to be taken seriously when discussing the morality of games, movies, books, whatever they first have to get their facts straight. Only facts, not assumptions, will be a more effective tool in making their argument and will strengthen their case. Simply stating game x, movie x, or book x is evil without offering up real facts or evidence to back up their opinion is meaningless. ChB wrote: The incredibly stupid part is also that usually the ones condemning video games are the ones who have nebver even played a single one of those games themselves. Bigottry comes with a lot of prejudice, be it games or against other minority people. It is probably best to just ignore such attempts and not give it acknowledgement by even bother discussing them. That just makes them think one is taking them seriously. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming Hi, The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming one youth who said this or that. Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned. Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces? Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their findings as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like If x represents y,
Re: [Audyssey] Simutronics Gemstone IV with ZMud, has anyone played this mud?
I wrote a plugin ages ago that would send text directly to jaws, but I never really got it finished. I used to play motis oporandi. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Hartley Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Simutronics Gemstone IV with ZMud,has anyone played this mud? Hello folks, I stumbled on the Simutronics muds, and decided to check out the Gemstone IV mud. From what I have been able to gather, the front end clients they offer such as wizard and stormfront are not the most speech friendly programs out there. grin I did find out that zmud has support for these games. I am currently using jaws 10 with zmud 7.21, and I must say that when using jaws with screen echo set to all, I find that zmud does a really good job at rebuffering the screen. Jaws doesn't seem to repeat lines, and it does appear to read all the new information that comes in. Of course, you have to use the jaws cursor to review the screen, and when a new line of text comes in the screen will scroll, making it sometimes dificult to keep on the same line. All that said, I am managing quite nicely with the beginning quests. I was just wondering if any folks on this list have played the Simutronics games with zmud, specifically Gemstone IV, and may have some more tips they could share? Before anyone asks, due to the nature of the login and authentication of simutronics games, you can't use other clients such as VIP Mud or Mushclient to play. At least this is my understanding. Jeremy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming
Hi, That's just another example of how diverse opinions can be between Christian groups, and why we should be careful not to paint everyone with the same brush. I've read that J.K. Rowling is suppose to be a Christian, but yet some Christians revile her for writing Harry Potter. There doesn't seam to be any rational or logical reasoning behind such a diverse opinion like that other than the fact some people are more liberal, open minded, and others see everything in shades of black and white. Weather or not the Harry Potter books, games, movies, and toys is actually evil, Satanic, whatever is completely subjective. That's why I think such decisions have to be personal, and someone should base his/her opinion on facts and good research rather than on assumptions. The fact of the matter is there are plenty of good moral lessons found in each of the Harry Potter books worth teaching our children. In the Deathly Hallows Harry rescues Drako from certain death even though Drako really didn't deserve being rescued. However, because Harry was good, a caring person at heart, he put his own safety on the line to save an enemy. That shows good moral character, and is worth passing on to our kids. never mind if the books have magic, people use spells, etc good values are good values no matter in what medium is used to pass them on weather it is a game, book, or movie. Darren Harris wrote: And yet the author of LOTR himself was a christian and interweeved a lot of his beliefs into the whole story. So I don't quite get that one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming
Quite right. The thing is people only tend to look at the negatives. Now if you've read lord of the rings, all that whole series there's tons of interesting stuff in that. Anybody who does think that book is for what ever reason evil I would seriously suggest reading it. Especially the silmarilian because there's so much hardship sadness and joy in all of that. I've never actually read a series of books with so much depth to them and especially with fantacy books nothing that could pull the heart strings so much. Take the story of Turin Turambar for example. Great evil was done in that story but there was also good in it as well. If people would only read said books for example instead of judging them without actually looking. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 18:14 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming Hi, That's just another example of how diverse opinions can be between Christian groups, and why we should be careful not to paint everyone with the same brush. I've read that J.K. Rowling is suppose to be a Christian, but yet some Christians revile her for writing Harry Potter. There doesn't seam to be any rational or logical reasoning behind such a diverse opinion like that other than the fact some people are more liberal, open minded, and others see everything in shades of black and white. Weather or not the Harry Potter books, games, movies, and toys is actually evil, Satanic, whatever is completely subjective. That's why I think such decisions have to be personal, and someone should base his/her opinion on facts and good research rather than on assumptions. The fact of the matter is there are plenty of good moral lessons found in each of the Harry Potter books worth teaching our children. In the Deathly Hallows Harry rescues Drako from certain death even though Drako really didn't deserve being rescued. However, because Harry was good, a caring person at heart, he put his own safety on the line to save an enemy. That shows good moral character, and is worth passing on to our kids. never mind if the books have magic, people use spells, etc good values are good values no matter in what medium is used to pass them on weather it is a game, book, or movie. Darren Harris wrote: And yet the author of LOTR himself was a christian and interweeved a lot of his beliefs into the whole story. So I don't quite get that one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming
Hi Tom, Yes, I know several groups who have expressly condemned Harry Potter and some places of worship (not necessarily all Christian) have banned their members from reading the books. I agree with your point that in the end Harry Potter shows good character and morale--that friends are important--and that life is a struggle but you have to keep pressing on. I am a monotheist, and one problem I've observed with fundamentalists is that they tell you the only real stories are those found in your holy book. However, kids today are saying we don't care about them, what happened to them happened over 2000 years ago. They need something to relate to in today's times. I see a lot of the common monotheistic practices have been incorporated into Harry Potter, so that's a perfect example. Yet, religious groups are banning it everywhere simply because it contains magic. They're attacking the messenger rather than the message itself and I find that it is hurting the entire monotheistic faith as a whole, simply because people love fundamentalism, so when something like this comes out, most people think look, this is how a Muslim, or a Jew or a Christian acts. Let's be atheist! Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming Hi, That's just another example of how diverse opinions can be between Christian groups, and why we should be careful not to paint everyone with the same brush. I've read that J.K. Rowling is suppose to be a Christian, but yet some Christians revile her for writing Harry Potter. There doesn't seam to be any rational or logical reasoning behind such a diverse opinion like that other than the fact some people are more liberal, open minded, and others see everything in shades of black and white. Weather or not the Harry Potter books, games, movies, and toys is actually evil, Satanic, whatever is completely subjective. That's why I think such decisions have to be personal, and someone should base his/her opinion on facts and good research rather than on assumptions. The fact of the matter is there are plenty of good moral lessons found in each of the Harry Potter books worth teaching our children. In the Deathly Hallows Harry rescues Drako from certain death even though Drako really didn't deserve being rescued. However, because Harry was good, a caring person at heart, he put his own safety on the line to save an enemy. That shows good moral character, and is worth passing on to our kids. never mind if the books have magic, people use spells, etc good values are good values no matter in what medium is used to pass them on weather it is a game, book, or movie. Darren Harris wrote: And yet the author of LOTR himself was a christian and interweeved a lot of his beliefs into the whole story. So I don't quite get that one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
You get them all over the place. You get them in the UK as well but they are very expensive to play. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nicol Sent: 10 September 2009 19:36 To: gamers Subject: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
The time I can remember playing them, it was like 25 cents in the states. They had everything, from space invaders, galaga, xevious, pacman, donkey kong. Later on we had street fighter and stuff like that. Games that you play sitting on a motorcycle. You can still find arcades in shopping malls all over. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes You get them all over the place. You get them in the UK as well but they are very expensive to play. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nicol Sent: 10 September 2009 19:36 To: gamers Subject: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Yeah but it's more like $1 now to play or something very near that mark. Those games aren't fun any more because of the price. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of ChB Sent: 10 September 2009 20:09 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes The time I can remember playing them, it was like 25 cents in the states. They had everything, from space invaders, galaga, xevious, pacman, donkey kong. Later on we had street fighter and stuff like that. Games that you play sitting on a motorcycle. You can still find arcades in shopping malls all over. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes You get them all over the place. You get them in the UK as well but they are very expensive to play. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nicol Sent: 10 September 2009 19:36 To: gamers Subject: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi Nicol, While I was growing up in the 1980's there were several arcade machines around in the malls, in most department stores, and there were even sspecialized arcades filled wall to wall with arcade machines IN terms of what games were available back then most games were first introduced on a standalone arcade machine, and then later released for your Atari, Colleco, Nintendo, etc.. I couldn't even begin to give you a comprehensive list of games that were out bac then, but I personally played Donkey Kong, Packman, Asteroids, Double Dragon, Poll Position, Centapede, Ninja Turtles, Galaxian, Space Invaders, etc just to name some of the games I played on the classic arcade machines before they went out of fassion. As far as how they operated a player would drop a quarter, that's $0.25, in the slot and it would last untill you lost all three lives. Each machine had a built in controller such as a joystick, racing wheel, whatever that was specially designed for that game. If you were playing a racing game like Poll position you would sit down in an arcade machine designed to look like a car and it would have a break peddle, stearing wheel, buttons, and the windshield was the game's screen. It was actually better inside the arcade machine than playing it on the Atari, because they tried to make it feel like driving a car in the arcade machine where the Atari was just a simple console that hooked up to your TV. Other games like Double Dragon weren't quite as fancy. It was just a typical stand up arcade with a joystick and buttons on the front and a big monitor displaying the game. You would use the joystick to move Billy around on the screen and you would use the various buttons to kick, punch, and otherwise beat the stuffing out of the thugs on screen. As I said it wasn't anything special. When i was growing up our local Pizza Hut had a Packman arcade machine. What was unique about the arcade machine is that it was set up like a normal booth, witht the game screen built into the table top, two benches on either side, and two sets of joysticks and buttons for joint player game play. So every kid I knew of use to take turns playing that game while our families waited for our pizza to arrive. My point is every arcade machine was different. Often they were specially crafted for the specific game it was built for. Others were built using a generic arcade machine type. They were quite common until the early 1990's or so, and steadily became less common. These days they seam very few and far between. Mainly you find them in the big cities or a place like Chucky Cheese where are large number of kids go to eat pizza and have fun playing games. Nicol wrote: Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
I tried the motorcycle racing game some time ago at a laundrymat, it was like 50 cents a game. Yes 25 cents was when I still had vision left, have not tried out any in a long time other than the aforementioned. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Yeah but it's more like $1 now to play or something very near that mark. Those games aren't fun any more because of the price. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of ChB Sent: 10 September 2009 20:09 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes The time I can remember playing them, it was like 25 cents in the states. They had everything, from space invaders, galaga, xevious, pacman, donkey kong. Later on we had street fighter and stuff like that. Games that you play sitting on a motorcycle. You can still find arcades in shopping malls all over. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes You get them all over the place. You get them in the UK as well but they are very expensive to play. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nicol Sent: 10 September 2009 19:36 To: gamers Subject: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
[Audyssey] new ipod touch
Hi, The new 32gb and 64gb ipod touch 3rd generation now come with VoiceOver built in which means blind people can use it! And I think there are a few aaccessible games for it, well anyway there are games for the IPhone 3gs so they may work on the IPod touch 32 and 64gb as well. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new ipod touch
go apple! nothing like ms, they make a lot of their stuff accessible... but I'll stop ramblin as it's OT. - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new ipod touch Hi, The new 32gb and 64gb ipod touch 3rd generation now come with VoiceOver built in which means blind people can use it! And I think there are a few aaccessible games for it, well anyway there are games for the IPhone 3gs so they may work on the IPod touch 32 and 64gb as well. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi, Yeah, I think cost has a lot to do with why stand up coin operated arcade machines are on the decline. They are still around, but I often don't let my son play them because they cost too much to play very many games. I've seen some that are like 50 cents and plenty of games that costs as much as a dollar per game. For that price back in the 1980's I could have had four games for the price of one. Now, that I am the responcible adult I can't see throwing money away on arcade games. It would be different if they were still 25 cents and I could buy four games for a dollar instead of one game for a dollar. Darren Harris wrote: Yeah but it's more like $1 now to play or something very near that mark. Those games aren't fun any more because of the price. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new ipod touch
all we need now is an audio game from draconis or osmeone On 10 Sep 2009, at 20:25, peter Mahach wrote: go apple! nothing like ms, they make a lot of their stuff accessible... but I'll stop ramblin as it's OT. - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new ipod touch Hi, The new 32gb and 64gb ipod touch 3rd generation now come with VoiceOver built in which means blind people can use it! And I think there are a few aaccessible games for it, well anyway there are games for the IPhone 3gs so they may work on the IPod touch 32 and 64gb as well. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi, You go girl. Did you get very far on that motor cycle game? grin ChB wrote: I tried the motorcycle racing game some time ago at a laundrymat, it was like 50 cents a game. Yes 25 cents was when I still had vision left, have not tried out any in a long time other than the aforementioned. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hehehe, quite a bit, I had a friend with me, who told me directions like they do in nascar, so I knew where the other cycles came up to me what side and so far and called out the directions I needed to go. It was quite funny as my friend played a two player game and did worse than me, even with sight lol this machine was cool you lean the cycle you sit on to go into the curves. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:33 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi, You go girl. Did you get very far on that motor cycle game? grin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
A whole area of gaming I never realised existed until recently is the cultivation of those old arcade cabinets. Their are guys and gals all over the world buying them from arcades that close down, redesigning the interior to occomodate a mac or pc running the emulator of choice (usuallly some flavour of Mame), and voila, multipurpose arcade chaos in your lounge. Some people take this stuff pretty far, I saw an awesome Apple cab where the guy had done a really swanky job of the interior, plus imbeded a little keyboard into the exterior along with power and standby buttons and such. Fun fstuff! So, Chrissy, if you have room at home for one of those motorcycles... lol Scott On 9/10/09, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You go girl. Did you get very far on that motor cycle game? grin ChB wrote: I tried the motorcycle racing game some time ago at a laundrymat, it was like 50 cents a game. Yes 25 cents was when I still had vision left, have not tried out any in a long time other than the aforementioned. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi. Arcade machines play one single game and in England cost betwene ten pence and fifty pence a time (that's about 6 cents to 30 I think). For fighting games and games like packman you usually get a number of game lives for your money, usually 1 or 3 depending upon the difficulty of the game. There used to be a lot of arcade games around when I was younger, some of my favourites included the original versions of Streetfighter 2 and mortal combat, not to mention Double dragon and the Ninja turtles game. At the time arcades could produce better graphics and sound than home versions, pluss arcade versions came out earlier, thus playing a game like streetfighter 2 or Killer instinct in an arcade was very different from playing it at home. Today from what I've seen sadly, those days are going out rather, and while there are stil games around like Streetfighter 3 and the tekken series, you won't find them in usual arcades (they're all fruite machines and such now), but have to go to a specialist gaming arcade for them. It's a bit sad really the way arcade games are going out of fashion, though I do suppose it saves money. Hope this answers your question. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: gamers Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all Those of you who were sighted before you became blind, I've got another question for you. I'm very curious. How did the arcade machines in shops work like? What games could you play on such an arcade machine? Could you play pack man? How many money did you have to throw into such a machine to play and then for how long could you then play? I have asked my mom, when she was a kid if they had arcade machines in their days. My mom says in her child days they didn't had such things, they played outside, making their own toys. When I went with my parents to buy groceries when I was a kid, we walked past game machines but I do not know wich games they offered. Do you still get these arcade machines in American shops today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Yes I would love to get an old arcade machine like that for home, just for the heck of it and old times. Something like maybe space invaders or donkey kong. Those things I can still hear the unique music and sounds they made, in my head. Lol about the motorcycle game, I would need to move to a bigger place for that. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes A whole area of gaming I never realised existed until recently is the cultivation of those old arcade cabinets. Their are guys and gals all over the world buying them from arcades that close down, redesigning the interior to occomodate a mac or pc running the emulator of choice (usuallly some flavour of Mame), and voila, multipurpose arcade chaos in your lounge. Some people take this stuff pretty far, I saw an awesome Apple cab where the guy had done a really swanky job of the interior, plus imbeded a little keyboard into the exterior along with power and standby buttons and such. Fun fstuff! So, Chrissy, if you have room at home for one of those motorcycles... lol Scott On 9/10/09, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You go girl. Did you get very far on that motor cycle game? grin ChB wrote: I tried the motorcycle racing game some time ago at a laundrymat, it was like 50 cents a game. Yes 25 cents was when I still had vision left, have not tried out any in a long time other than the aforementioned. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a question for you mainstream guys out there and those who played the old nintendo games before losing sight
Well that's true Tom, but what I was getting at in my post is the difference in play mechanics betwene visual and audio packman. The standard packman is a game simply of fast reflexes where (as you said), you have to run like the clappers to avoid ghosts and make quick decisions. The audio version requires route finding and spacial memory in working your way around the maze and in remembering where the power pills (or capacitors for Dynaman), are. How well you avoid the ghosts is also dependent upon your memory skills and use of space rather than your reflexes and ability to instantly assess a situation. I'll admit though, i've never been as much of a fan of the graphical packman games, out of that era I always preferred joust or berzerk, - probably the first games I played at the age of four when we owned an atari 2600. Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] modifying games
would be nice josh. but ms would never aggree to that. I think some others would, not sure who. apple uses its own hardware, but some have already done this. sun has and ofcause we have linux. I think ibm has to an extent. not sure about others but. At 01:16 a.m. 9/09/2009, you wrote: Hi, What video game makers aught to do and software developers is to release all software and all operating systems under the gnu general public license. In fact, there should be a law in the United States that requires all software, hardware and operating systems to be released under the gnu general public license then we could all contribute to how our computers work in some way. And this would almost eliminate piracy altogether. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Not a game arcade, per say, but the first games I remember seeing were bowling machines. They were about 15 feet long and maybe? 3 feet wide. From 1 to 6 people could play for a dime (ten cents) a game, or 2 games for a quarter (25 cents). The bowling pins hung just above the surface of the lane, and you rolled a wooden ball at them. Pin action was determined by which of several bars, positioned beneath the pins, the ball rolled over. Scoring was done automatically, and displayed on the machine from which the pins hung. As a blind player, I could walk down to where the pins were and feel which ones were still hanging straight down after my first shot if I were the only player. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi, Yeah, I think cost has a lot to do with why stand up coin operated arcade machines are on the decline. They are still around, but I often don't let my son play them because they cost too much to play very many games. I've seen some that are like 50 cents and plenty of games that costs as much as a dollar per game. For that price back in the 1980's I could have had four games for the price of one. Now, that I am the responcible adult I can't see throwing money away on arcade games. It would be different if they were still 25 cents and I could buy four games for a dollar instead of one game for a dollar. Darren Harris wrote: Yeah but it's more like $1 now to play or something very near that mark. Those games aren't fun any more because of the price. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] modifying games
on that note, entoombed will have a standard free version and a delux version with more features. you will have to pay for extras though, but the basic game will be free as far as I get it from the group. ofcause thats a ways off. At 03:28 a.m. 9/09/2009, you wrote: As a follow up to my last message talking about the market collapse, I think this is already happening with the audiogames market. Take Super Liam, for instance. It's an excellent game. Guess what? Someone comes along and builds something like it--and releases it for free. Now people will no longer buy Super Liam and all the work Liam put into it will go to waste because there's a free version available which is naturally more attractive. Now imagine this problem on a larger scale...the mainstream gaming market. If Kunami decided to release MSG for free, or SNES decided to release Star Fox for free, there goes their market. I'm a firm believer in making a bit of return off of hard work--and, frankly, just saying that's a good game isn't always enough (I know some of you will say well, you could praise the developer for their work.) Why do you think companies that ride on donations end up failing? Because they release good software under the assumption people will donate to support it, and that never happens. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] modifying games Hi, What video game makers aught to do and software developers is to release all software and all operating systems under the gnu general public license. In fact, there should be a law in the United States that requires all software, hardware and operating systems to be released under the gnu general public license then we could all contribute to how our computers work in some way. And this would almost eliminate piracy altogether. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Well, while I don't go in for the cabinet thing, I do own an X arcade joystick which is fantastic! Basically it's what would happen if you sliced the control section off a streetfighter or turtles cabinet, a huge, steel shafted joystic, pluss about eight buttons. I've not got the pc usb adapter for it so I've not been able to play either audiogames or mame stuff, however I have had lots of fun on my gamecube and Gba, particularly with things like final fight 1, soul calibur and double dragon. To anyone who knows the Metroid games, it's also fantastic for doing space jumps on. I really did ought to buy that pc adapter actually, especially as mame comes with standard config settings for the x arcade stick. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes A whole area of gaming I never realised existed until recently is the cultivation of those old arcade cabinets. Their are guys and gals all over the world buying them from arcades that close down, redesigning the interior to occomodate a mac or pc running the emulator of choice (usuallly some flavour of Mame), and voila, multipurpose arcade chaos in your lounge. Some people take this stuff pretty far, I saw an awesome Apple cab where the guy had done a really swanky job of the interior, plus imbeded a little keyboard into the exterior along with power and standby buttons and such. Fun fstuff! So, Chrissy, if you have room at home for one of those motorcycles... lol Scott On 9/10/09, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You go girl. Did you get very far on that motor cycle game? grin ChB wrote: I tried the motorcycle racing game some time ago at a laundrymat, it was like 50 cents a game. Yes 25 cents was when I still had vision left, have not tried out any in a long time other than the aforementioned. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] modifying games
I also will pay if I have the cash. Now in new zealand although its not alegal yet the isps slow down any sharing programs now. So I figure if I like more than 3 tracks on a album I'll buy that disk. still doesn't mean I will buy loads of cds, I get a load of creative commans music now. and other things. but still. I will buy something if I really like it. At 07:28 a.m. 9/09/2009, you wrote: I too believe in paying for good games. Though I never made an audio game my self, being a writer of novels and music, I sort of am in the same boat- a clap on the shoulder and a 'good job' is just not enough to keep my rent paid. However, I think the reality is that if someone can come up with something equal to, or even better than, what's selling, and is willing to let it go for free... Well, who am I to say that is wrong? All the more power to such a person, and in the long run, all that means is that those who wish to sell their products would have to work even harder to come up with something far better than the free stuffs. For example, if someone wants to sell an audio game based on baseball, it'd probably be a hard contest since Jim Kitchen's got a free one out there that is already real nice. But we cannot degrade Jim for that. No one ever kicked ass by saying I can't. Johnny ST Tai LIVE AND WALK WITH CONFIDENCE. Interpersonal and Social Relationship Counselling-also offering private, one on one self defense training- call or email to book your appointment today! johnnyti...@shaw.ca 1-604-275-2795 Listen to, or buy our music at: http://www.musicsubmit.com/thecat http://www.cdbaby.com/thecat http://www.mynoisyplanet.com/TheCAT. http://www.rhythmqwest.com/TheCat http://www.cdbaby.com/thecat2 The king who stands poised With claws and fangs, eyes ablaze... The hunt has begun. -Haiku by Johnny Tai - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] modifying games As a follow up to my last message talking about the market collapse, I think this is already happening with the audiogames market. Take Super Liam, for instance. It's an excellent game. Guess what? Someone comes along and builds something like it--and releases it for free. Now people will no longer buy Super Liam and all the work Liam put into it will go to waste because there's a free version available which is naturally more attractive. Now imagine this problem on a larger scale...the mainstream gaming market. If Kunami decided to release MSG for free, or SNES decided to release Star Fox for free, there goes their market. I'm a firm believer in making a bit of return off of hard work--and, frankly, just saying that's a good game isn't always enough (I know some of you will say well, you could praise the developer for their work.) Why do you think companies that ride on donations end up failing? Because they release good software under the assumption people will donate to support it, and that never happens. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] modifying games Hi, What video game makers aught to do and software developers is to release all software and all operating systems under the gnu general public license. In fact, there should be a law in the United States that requires all software, hardware and operating systems to be released under the gnu general public license then we could all contribute to how our computers work in some way. And this would almost eliminate piracy altogether. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any
[Audyssey] audio games.net
Hi, I was trying to visit audiogames.net and it comes up with some other site, has the audio games site changed? Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] modifying games
As far as releasing programs under the gernal public lisence, I think that that is fine if the author wishes it. But it does take a lot of time and hard work to learn any time of programming, be it Moo, C++, even basic. So I don’t support releasing everything as freewear. What game was made based off super liam and is now freewear? Best, Nick On 9/10/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: I also will pay if I have the cash. Now in new zealand although its not alegal yet the isps slow down any sharing programs now. So I figure if I like more than 3 tracks on a album I'll buy that disk. still doesn't mean I will buy loads of cds, I get a load of creative commans music now. and other things. but still. I will buy something if I really like it. At 07:28 a.m. 9/09/2009, you wrote: I too believe in paying for good games. Though I never made an audio game my self, being a writer of novels and music, I sort of am in the same boat- a clap on the shoulder and a 'good job' is just not enough to keep my rent paid. However, I think the reality is that if someone can come up with something equal to, or even better than, what's selling, and is willing to let it go for free... Well, who am I to say that is wrong? All the more power to such a person, and in the long run, all that means is that those who wish to sell their products would have to work even harder to come up with something far better than the free stuffs. For example, if someone wants to sell an audio game based on baseball, it'd probably be a hard contest since Jim Kitchen's got a free one out there that is already real nice. But we cannot degrade Jim for that. No one ever kicked ass by saying I can't. Johnny ST Tai LIVE AND WALK WITH CONFIDENCE. Interpersonal and Social Relationship Counselling-also offering private, one on one self defense training- call or email to book your appointment today! johnnyti...@shaw.ca 1-604-275-2795 Listen to, or buy our music at: http://www.musicsubmit.com/thecat http://www.cdbaby.com/thecat http://www.mynoisyplanet.com/TheCAT. http://www.rhythmqwest.com/TheCat http://www.cdbaby.com/thecat2 The king who stands poised With claws and fangs, eyes ablaze... The hunt has begun. -Haiku by Johnny Tai - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] modifying games As a follow up to my last message talking about the market collapse, I think this is already happening with the audiogames market. Take Super Liam, for instance. It's an excellent game. Guess what? Someone comes along and builds something like it--and releases it for free. Now people will no longer buy Super Liam and all the work Liam put into it will go to waste because there's a free version available which is naturally more attractive. Now imagine this problem on a larger scale...the mainstream gaming market. If Kunami decided to release MSG for free, or SNES decided to release Star Fox for free, there goes their market. I'm a firm believer in making a bit of return off of hard work--and, frankly, just saying that's a good game isn't always enough (I know some of you will say well, you could praise the developer for their work.) Why do you think companies that ride on donations end up failing? Because they release good software under the assumption people will donate to support it, and that never happens. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] modifying games Hi, What video game makers aught to do and software developers is to release all software and all operating systems under the gnu general public license. In fact, there should be a law in the United States that requires all software, hardware and operating systems to be released under the gnu general public license then we could all contribute to how our computers work in some way. And this would almost eliminate piracy altogether. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi Nicol, Great question and it brings up alot of nostalgia. Usually the cabinet games were a single stand up model. It had a moniter inside the cabinet, and usually a piece of glass seperated the screen from the outside but not all of them were like that. On a flat surface sticking out from the cabinet in front of the moniter were the controls. These had a start button, and usually a joystick and some buttons. Depending on the game there can be as many as six or more buttons. Other controller types were the steering wheel, pistols or machine guns, track ball, fighter jet joysticks, and a control type called a paddle which is just a spinner type of controller that was used mostly for games like pong and arknoid. There were also the bigger cabinets that were shaped like tables (I have only seen this type of cabinet for pac man), and the kind you can sit in and drive with gas and brake pedels, and even a pedel for changing gears. There was also a game where you literally sat on something like a mortorcycle. It had the gas and brakes in the handles, and could also rock to the sides to lean into the curves. Lastly there was the periscope types which were popular for a brief time for a submarine game and a tank game. Pac man only had the one joystick and a few start buttons. Most of the arcade games had extra controls for up to four people to play at one time, while others allowed you to switch off between players. When I could see, there were arcades on every mall and corner, and it seemed like every store on mainstreet had at least one near it's entrance. They usually cost a quarter ( an american dollar is 100 cents, so a quarter is 25 of that), and the real popular ones cost fifty cents. I am sure they cost a bit more now. As for accessibility, I am not sure how many of them were feasible to play. I was never a big fan of street fighter style games when I could see, so I guess I am not much help in that department. The coin ops games are probably dwindling away now, simply because the game consoles are so powerful, and relatively cheaper in the long run to own and play indefinitely, it just doesn't seem worth it to justify spending the cash. When it comes to game length. Most of the time the magic number was three lives. Of course you could increase your play time by getting really good and earning extra lives, but you had to put the money and practice, practice, practice. Some other games gave you a time limit, and of course, if you get enough points you get extended time. It all depends on the game. The games I can remember playing are, in no particular order: pong, breakout, space invaders, asteroids, pac man, Mrs. pac man, Pac man junior (this was kind of a pacman/pinball hybrid), battlezone, death race 2000, sprint, outrun, afterburner, zaxxon, donkey kong, Super Mario Brothers, dragons lair (this was actually a cartoon game), star trek, star wars, time pilot, galaxians, galga, gorf, Mr. Do, dig dug, Operation:wolf, area 51, Dungeons and dragons, gauntlet, missile command, centipede, pole position, defender, moon landing, time cop, space ace (another cartoon game), star castle, tron, bad dudes, double dragon, ninja gaiden, the simpsons game, the ninja turtles game, robotron, smash TV, moon patrol, rygar, final fight, jackal, frogger, ghosts and goblins. I remember playing many others, but I forgot their names. Man I blew alot of money when I was a kid, lol. Where to find arcade cabinet games now is a good question too. In america there is probably some malls that still have arcades, and I know on the jersey shore on the boardwalks there is still plenty of arcades as well. The pplace to go for arcade cabinet games however is disney at a place called quest. It is a five level building that is like one big giant arcade game, and there is one floor, I am told, that has nothing but all the arcade cabinets they can cram in there...and they are all free. Of course I am sure the cover charge probably gets you, but just being able to play the games free seems like a cool idea. I am planning to take my kids there next year so hopefully I can see first hand what it is like. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
I am not sure if there are as many arcade room out there anymore. Home computer systems...playstations and ms XBox systems have really given them a beating. Most of the older games took a single quarter. When I had sight I spent alot of time in one of them near to my house. the most awesome games were ones where you could play 2 or 4 players against each other. I loved playing Gauntlet! it was a 4 sided system. One big screen in the middle facing up, and 4 players at east, west, north, and south playing against each other. there was another one I loved. Can't recall its name just yet. But you had two Uzi machine guns on the front of the box. You had to shoot enemy vehicles...and there were buzzards that would fly thru, if you shot them you got the extra bullet cart they carreid and then dropped. Missile command was awesome too! a track ball moved an x on the screen where you would hit one of 3 buttons to shoot from city 1, 2, 3 at the incoming missiles. One game I liked had you sit on the top of a motorcycle and race it on the screen in front of you. The cycle could tilt so you really got in the curves close for a faster run. There was a submarine game that had you look thru a periscope to shoot at ships passing over you. Marble madness was another trackball game. You had to race a ball down a maze avoiding monsters, acid pools and other hazards by rolling the trackball in the direction you wished the marble on the screen to roll. Sometimes to get the marble to change direction you really had to give the trackball 2 good rolls to change direction. Some of the Jet plane games had you use a high tech joystick. Some had 8 buttons on it. some were for defense and others were offensive. One terminator shooter game I played also had a nice machine gun on it. Even had option to shoot a grenade. as games got more advanced, the cost went up from a single quarter to 3-4 quarters per game. the erly big draw games were pacman, missile command, space invaders, and asteroids. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Hi all. throwing in my 2 sense worth. I can remember playing pinball when I had my sight and pressing the buttons to make the paddles work. I remember the shape of the machine was kind of slanted towards you with the screen away from you at the top and the 2 buttons on each side. A Few years back I found on line and was quite tempted to by all though I could not afford it a lord of the rings pin ball machine. well those are my 2 sense worth on this topic. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
on the subject of games. through www.synthstudio.net I got a site www.queststudios.com this has a database of the sierra soundtracks. also actual tracks from the cds remixed. some midi to for various yamaha and roland synths. I spent the last week getting all I could access from the misc and other sections, I think I have just about the entire site, 2.3gb of stuff. At 11:28 a.m. 11/09/2009, you wrote: Hi Nicol, Great question and it brings up alot of nostalgia. Usually the cabinet games were a single stand up model. It had a moniter inside the cabinet, and usually a piece of glass seperated the screen from the outside but not all of them were like that. On a flat surface sticking out from the cabinet in front of the moniter were the controls. These had a start button, and usually a joystick and some buttons. Depending on the game there can be as many as six or more buttons. Other controller types were the steering wheel, pistols or machine guns, track ball, fighter jet joysticks, and a control type called a paddle which is just a spinner type of controller that was used mostly for games like pong and arknoid. There were also the bigger cabinets that were shaped like tables (I have only seen this type of cabinet for pac man), and the kind you can sit in and drive with gas and brake pedels, and even a pedel for changing gears. There was also a game where you literally sat on something like a mortorcycle. It had the gas and brakes in the handles, and could also rock to the sides to lean into the curves. Lastly there was the periscope types which were popular for a brief time for a submarine game and a tank game. Pac man only had the one joystick and a few start buttons. Most of the arcade games had extra controls for up to four people to play at one time, while others allowed you to switch off between players. When I could see, there were arcades on every mall and corner, and it seemed like every store on mainstreet had at least one near it's entrance. They usually cost a quarter ( an american dollar is 100 cents, so a quarter is 25 of that), and the real popular ones cost fifty cents. I am sure they cost a bit more now. As for accessibility, I am not sure how many of them were feasible to play. I was never a big fan of street fighter style games when I could see, so I guess I am not much help in that department. The coin ops games are probably dwindling away now, simply because the game consoles are so powerful, and relatively cheaper in the long run to own and play indefinitely, it just doesn't seem worth it to justify spending the cash. When it comes to game length. Most of the time the magic number was three lives. Of course you could increase your play time by getting really good and earning extra lives, but you had to put the money and practice, practice, practice. Some other games gave you a time limit, and of course, if you get enough points you get extended time. It all depends on the game. The games I can remember playing are, in no particular order: pong, breakout, space invaders, asteroids, pac man, Mrs. pac man, Pac man junior (this was kind of a pacman/pinball hybrid), battlezone, death race 2000, sprint, outrun, afterburner, zaxxon, donkey kong, Super Mario Brothers, dragons lair (this was actually a cartoon game), star trek, star wars, time pilot, galaxians, galga, gorf, Mr. Do, dig dug, Operation:wolf, area 51, Dungeons and dragons, gauntlet, missile command, centipede, pole position, defender, moon landing, time cop, space ace (another cartoon game), star castle, tron, bad dudes, double dragon, ninja gaiden, the simpsons game, the ninja turtles game, robotron, smash TV, moon patrol, rygar, final fight, jackal, frogger, ghosts and goblins. I remember playing many others, but I forgot their names. Man I blew alot of money when I was a kid, lol. Where to find arcade cabinet games now is a good question too. In america there is probably some malls that still have arcades, and I know on the jersey shore on the boardwalks there is still plenty of arcades as well. The pplace to go for arcade cabinet games however is disney at a place called quest. It is a five level building that is like one big giant arcade game, and there is one floor, I am told, that has nothing but all the arcade cabinets they can cram in there...and they are all free. Of course I am sure the cover charge probably gets you, but just being able to play the games free seems like a cool idea. I am planning to take my kids there next year so hopefully I can see first hand what it is like. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
Re: [Audyssey] audio games.net
They need to register their domain, I think. Hope this helps. Tristan -- Tristan B TrekGames.net Cosmos - TrekGames.net, port 1234. - Original Message - From: CSF inc. elohee...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Audyssey] audio games.net Hi, I was trying to visit audiogames.net and it comes up with some other site, has the audio games site changed? Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] audio games.net
thanks - Original Message - From: Tristan B theblinddj...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] audio games.net They need to register their domain, I think. Hope this helps. Tristan -- Tristan B TrekGames.net Cosmos - TrekGames.net, port 1234. - Original Message - From: CSF inc. elohee...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Audyssey] audio games.net Hi, I was trying to visit audiogames.net and it comes up with some other site, has the audio games site changed? Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
I wonder if they still make pinball machines anymore. It probably costs more then a quarter to play today if there is still some around. al - Original Message - From: Mich m...@ntl.sympatico.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes Hi all. throwing in my 2 sense worth. I can remember playing pinball when I had my sight and pressing the buttons to make the paddles work. I remember the shape of the machine was kind of slanted towards you with the screen away from you at the top and the 2 buttons on each side. A Few years back I found on line and was quite tempted to by all though I could not afford it a lord of the rings pin ball machine. well those are my 2 sense worth on this topic. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes
Good times, smile. .. I just remembered a few other games, q bert, contra wars, and golden axe. Golden Axe was cool because you could play a male fighter, a woman fighter or a dwarf, and they all had special movies that allowed them to grab the bad guys and throw them off cliffs or bridges. As a side note, one of my favorite things I liked to do with a game like area 51 where it had two pistols for two players. I would plug in money for both pistols and use them both. It was very cool using both guns although admittedly it was somewhat expensive. Gauntlet was very cool...I don't remember fighting against the other players though. I could be wrong, cause the games start to run together after a while in my noggin, grin. I think the game I blew the most amount of cash on was double dragon. From: Robert Montowski r_montow...@yahoo.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game arcades in shopping malls and cafes I am not sure if there are as many arcade room out there anymore. Home computer systems...playstations and ms XBox systems have really given them a beating. Most of the older games took a single quarter. When I had sight I spent alot of time in one of them near to my house. the most awesome games were ones where you could play 2 or 4 players against each other. I loved playing Gauntlet! it was a 4 sided system. One big screen in the middle facing up, and 4 players at east, west, north, and south playing against each other. there was another one I loved. Can't recall its name just yet. But you had two Uzi machine guns on the front of the box. You had to shoot enemy vehicles...and there were buzzards that would fly thru, if you shot them you got the extra bullet cart they carreid and then dropped. Missile command was awesome too! a track ball moved an x on the screen where you would hit one of 3 buttons to shoot from city 1, 2, 3 at the incoming missiles. One game I liked had you sit on the top of a motorcycle and race it on the screen in front of you. The cycle could tilt so you really got in the curves close for a faster run. There was a submarine game that had you look thru a periscope to shoot at ships passing over you. Marble madness was another trackball game. You had to race a ball down a maze avoiding monsters, acid pools and other hazards by rolling the trackball in the direction you wished the marble on the screen to roll. Sometimes to get the marble to change direction you really had to give the trackball 2 good rolls to change direction. Some of the Jet plane games had you use a high tech joystick. Some had 8 buttons on it. some were for defense and others were offensive. One terminator shooter game I played also had a nice machine gun on it. Even had option to shoot a grenade. as games got more advanced, the cost went up from a single quarter to 3-4 quarters per game. the erly big draw games were pacman, missile command, space invaders, and asteroids. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
