On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:27:49 -0500, Eric P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm all into usability as I use a high ratio of keyboard shortcuts vs. mouse
in GIMP. Can you elaborate on some of the
new usability enhancements? I'm all ears.
Well, it's difficult to single out a specific feature. I
Perhaps I'm in danger of starting an argument here but some of your points
surprise me a little.
Manish Singh wrote:
Maybe the creator of GimpShop should have respected the GIMP community
instead of rejecting it. He did not consult anyone on any of the GIMP
lists at all as to proper
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 08:24:36PM +0100, David Marrs wrote:
Perhaps I'm in danger of starting an argument here but some of your points
surprise me a little.
Manish Singh wrote:
Maybe the creator of GimpShop should have respected the GIMP community
instead of rejecting it. He did not
a clumsy gui that is not at all easy to use
(especially for those trained in photoshop) and which does not compare
favourably with standards set by photoshop.
I personally don't mind the UI... It is simply a matter of learning how to
use it. I
have never used PS, myself, but I suspect I
As I wrote in my previous message, the GIMP developers are not opposed
to some of the ideas included in Gimpshop, if only they were
implemented in a correct way. The developers are open to suggestions
and are looking at alternative solutions whenever possible. Just
check the recent
Hi list,
answering this kind of questions and explainig why exactly we can not
support GimpShop is a waste of time and done again and again and again...
... This clearly is a F.A.Q, which should we be able to answer by politely
providing a link to an FAQ entry on gimp.org. This could save us
On Monday 09 July 2007 00:11:09 Axel Wernicke wrote:
Hi list,
answering this kind of questions and explainig why exactly we can not
support GimpShop is a waste of time and done again and again and again...
... This clearly is a F.A.Q, which should we be able to answer by politely
providing a
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to
fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some
members of the former group.
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On the first point my reaction to those adopting an authoritarian position
is come on guys loosen up. It gives the impression that a few people with
an axe to grind want to freeze out gimpshop rather than encouraging any
extensions of gimp, of
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:09 -0700
David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me there are two issues which seem to be confused and
rolled into one seeminly illogical construct.
1. Whether some contributors to this list should take it upon
themselves to try and stop other
On Monday 09 July 2007 02:05:43 Karine Delvare wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:09 -0700
David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me there are two issues which seem to be confused and
rolled into one seeminly illogical construct.
1. Whether some contributors to this list
On Monday 09 July 2007 02:06:53 Simon Budig wrote:
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On the first point my reaction to those adopting an authoritarian
position is come on guys loosen up. It gives the impression that a few
people with an axe to grind want to freeze out gimpshop
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to
fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some
members of the former group.
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I suggest you treat gimpshop as an intermediate hack. Get the best out of it
you can until someone is encouraged to dvevelop something more sophisticated.
That simply is impossible, since the solutions of Gimpshop are no
solutions. I tried to explain
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
IMHO it is time to let go of anger and act in a mature and
constructive way.
Ok, lets just open up this list and make it a gimpshop list as well. And
a Photoshop list. And a Paintshop Pro list. And a Krita list.
They all offer something that gimp
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:06:22 +0200, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I suggest you treat gimpshop as an intermediate hack. Get the best out of
it
you can until someone is encouraged to dvevelop something more
sophisticated.
That simply
lots of snip
Build up a community that wants something better but uses gimpshop as a
temporary hack. Learn from gimpshop what is needed and then draw development
energy from the community to develop something better.
My plea is for you guys to stop using your guts to think and let
On Monday 09 July 2007 04:30:06 norman wrote:
lots of snip
Build up a community that wants something better but uses gimpshop as a
temporary hack. Learn from gimpshop what is needed and then draw
development energy from the community to develop something better.
My plea is for you
On Monday 09 July 2007, Sven Neumann wrote:
I just tried to help you by pointing out that gimpshop is a
different application and that you should try to get support
for it from the people who did the fork. If you did that you
might have found out that there is no such support. You might
then
David Southwell wrote:
Currently all I am suggesting is that people with a history of scores
to
settle need to keep quiet and if others want to talk about gimpshop then
let
them do so. Noone is saying any single individual should feel obliged to
contribute to those discussion.
Let us be
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:02:19 -0700, David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would mean more developers, features and a bigger
and better community of users. IMHO gimpshop is a great idea. According to
some its developers have not behaved well -- my guess is
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to
fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some
members of the former group.
On Sunday 08 July 2007, David Southwell wrote:
On Sunday 08 July 2007 12:07:55 Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be
positively helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:08:26 +0800, Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then future queries can be answered like this:
GimpShop is a different product to GIMP. Read about
the differences and support issues here:
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpShop
I'd happily write up such a
Hi Brendan,
David, it's just not worth it. The powers on this list are frighteningly
short-sighted when it comes to discussions like you are proposing. Even
though a large chunk of the list feels differently, they will moderate you
eventually into the ground.
Well, a large chunk is
Em 2007/07/09, às 11:06, Simon Budig escreveu:
And in case you missed it, we are in a very intense process of looking
at the gimp user interface and improving it. People comparing the
current 2.3 development version with 2.2 tend to like the changes a
lot.
I prefer this way over just
On Monday 09 July 2007, Alex Feldman wrote:
Hi Brendan,
David, it's just not worth it. The powers on this list are frighteningly
short-sighted when it comes to discussions like you are proposing. Even
though a large chunk of the list feels differently, they will moderate
you eventually
On Monday 09 July 2007, David Southwell wrote:
A gui that emulates photoshop is really needed.
If it were done as a wrapper idea over standard GIMP, and
integrated, I could easily agree with that. Much better again
if it were modular, so you could enable and disable PS-ish
chunks.
The current
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:20:12 -0400
Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I am only going on the large chunk of emails I got when I was
talking about Gimpshop. All of them from list members.
Why doesn't this large chunk of users create a gimpshop mailing list
(or forum or whatever), instead of
[slightly reordering the quotes]
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Really gimpshop is part of gimp.. the version of gimpshop running on
my system depends upon the latest version of gimp.
This is backwards logic. We - as the GIMP developers - have no influence
on Gimpshop. Hence it
On Monday 09 July 2007 05:18:23 Raphaël Quinet wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:02:19 -0700, David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That would mean more developers, features and a bigger
and better community of users. IMHO gimpshop is a great idea. According
to some its developers have not
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:44AM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to
fail and those who wish it to succeed
On Mon, 2007-09-07 at 07:55 -0700,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Destructive discussion about whether gimpshop discussion between consenting
adults should be allowed or not is like proposing the baby should be put out
with the bathwater.
Look David, I'm a GIMP user and I don't appreciate
Manish Singh wrote:
Please stop posting to the list, as all you can seem to do is post
misinformation and assertions that you cannot back up.
I would take it one more step and request that no one respond to any
more posts on this discussion. David, you're a troll, please drop this
issue.
Hi,
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 02:34 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I have installed ports/gimpshop on my fFreebsd 6.1 system. I want to compare
its functionality with photoshop with which I am extremely familar and use
extensively on my Win XP system.
Please ask on the gimpshop user list then.
On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 02:34 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I have installed ports/gimpshop on my fFreebsd 6.1 system. I want to
compare its functionality with photoshop with which I am extremely
familar and use extensively on my Win XP system.
* David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-08-07 10:36]:
On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote:
Please ask on the gimpshop user list then. You might find that there
is no such list. But we can't help you with gimpshop questions here.
It is a different application and this is the gimp user
On Sunday 08 July 2007 07:42:04 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-08-07 10:36]:
On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote:
Please ask on the gimpshop user list then. You might find that there
is no such list. But we can't help you with gimpshop questions
Hi,
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be positively
helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of that disposition, IMHO
contribute more to this worlld when they remain silent.
I just tried to help you
On Sunday 08 July 2007 12:07:55 Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be positively
helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of that disposition, IMHO
contribute more to this
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote:
I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail
and
those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some members of the
former group.
Maybe gimp could benefit from a more catholic and
Hi,
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 14:42 -0700, David Southwell wrote:
Am I not correct in saying that gimpshop a tool using gimp?
No, you are not correct in saying that. It's a forked version and the
person who did that fork refuses to work with the GIMP developers. We
don't get any support from
Hi
I have installed ports/gimpshop on my fFreebsd 6.1 system. I want to compare
its functionality with photoshop with which I am extremely familar and use
extensively on my Win XP system.
I have started gimp and have two newbie questions.
1. How do I get to start gimpshop? The docs seem to
Not sure how well GimpShop will run on FreeBSD. I don't know anything about
FreeBSD,
myself (I am running Ubuntu Dapper), but I wonder if GimpShop and and the Gimp
2.2.15 it
looks like you installed will have a conflict. On windows, GimpShop has been
pretty much
a bugfest, at Gimptalk, we
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