On 09/10/2012 06:57 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of
amateurs who create software professional vocation.
See?
not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the
choice in the configuration.
just
due to some people reacting negatively to the change,
This is not the subject. I like changes, I hate habits, they are
unproductive.
while
simultaneously questioning our common sense.
Regar
it doesnt restores the original behavior
it's different
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On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you
apologize later anyway?
Hi
Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...
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On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote:
Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "arbitrary"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti
On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote:
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]:
1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf
and others. This does not happen like this in the wor
.
https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp
Author's blog
"In few words: mainline GIMP is an XCF editor, not an image editor. My
version is an image editor."
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/242
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On 09/12/2012 01:52 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi
I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the
choice in the configuration.
Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the
same Gimp is beneficial. The same
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
May be but you have already the choice with "window-single mode" or
not. Then you open edit -> preferences and here, incredible thing,
you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know tha
ot;DAW" with no name "Lots of apps..." Which apps ?
Fuzzy...
Most software, digikam, phot$p, firefox, avidemux, libreoffice, doesnt
work like gimp but with standard way.
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.xcf files but my friends, my family members and most people, I
think, don't use .xcf. They need an image editor, not an xcf editor.
People will leave the world of free software to turn to proprietary.
Gimp is no longer the "universal Swiss army knife " of image editing,
it'
tioned several hundred times, it reduced
the code complexity AND(as much as possible barring power loss or computer crashes) now prevents one from
accidentally loosing a multi-layer composition(which is the most important "feature")
Do you really use it ? Ergonomically speaking, Gimp i
eople knew that, this
annoying thread would not exist.
People have to observe this rule then they'll be happy with the standard
"save & save as" behavior, like in Gimp-2.6 and all other editors,
which allows to work quickly and normally with all kinds of f
On 09/12/2012 06:55 PM, Chris Mohler wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM, maderios wrote:
The first rule to know when editing an image is to save your work as you go
along. When you drive a car you look ahead, not behind, you watch the
road... It's the same principle : security. If p
say here that some people don't save their work... So the Gimp
developers separate the function "save save as" into two functions
according to the file type, .xcf or not xcf.
I think that Gimp will stay a software for amateurs.
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#x27;s now an 'xcf' editor" - I have to agree.
Hi
This plug-in save-export-clean.py works well
https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/
"A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export"
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/msg00072.
.. No need
layers. You open it, make the changes et you save it as .png
And if you talk to Krita developers,
they'll tell you it's their design choice.
I noticed that KDE developers are pragmatic.They try to free users, too.
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On 09/19/2012 05:44 PM, Stephen Allen wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 04:35:06PM +0200, maderios wrote:
Print shops ask for png, jpeg or tiff, not psd
Maybe your consumer quick printer, not offset print shops that do
professional work. They want usually, PDF and/or PSD. PSD not being
their
On 09/20/2012 11:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
I just think that every user can contribute to the development not
only for bugs but also for improvements.
Every user can try (assuming that the project actually provides a
feedback channel, which is not a
gikam
http://scribblesandsnaps.com/2011/03/02/batch-process-photos-in-digikam/
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(opengl viewer), I zoom it with
Gliv (not too much, you dont have to see pixels) then I take a
screenshot, I save it as .png. It works well.
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er gliv + screenshot + sharpen
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.gz, and then
also export as jpeg, and that way you can edit the xcf file if you later
need to make changes.
You don't need .xcf at all...
You may convert your .jpeg to.png
PNG is much better than .xcf when no needing layers : it's not lossy,
You can compress a .png to 9
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Hi
When saving png image (ex 4496 × 3000 pixels) Gimp is very slow.
I have a Core I7 with 8 cpu. I noticed Gimp use only 1 cpu to save image.
Any solution about a multi-threaded Gimp ?
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On 10/18/2012 01:55 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:53 PM, maderios wrote:
Not in the stable version, sorry.
May be in the future ?
Sure :)
Thanks. So we wait...
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On 10/18/2012 07:10 PM, scl wrote:
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM, maderios wrote:
Any solution about a multi-threaded Gimp ?
Not in the stable version, sorry.
What about the 'Number of processors' option in the
Preferences/Environment dialog?
P
On 10/18/2012 09:05 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:47:56 +0200, maderios wrote:
I have a Core I7 with 8 cpu. I noticed Gimp use only 1 cpu to save image.
If you're talking about saving a file, there's not much that can be done -
saving isn't someth
bugs. The place in the code. I'll
create
the fix. For exemple, colors bug fix.
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/plug-ins/file-psd
I dont understand, sorry... Are you web designer or developer ?
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car:look ahead, not behind, watch the road,
watch the panel, etc...
The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made to work but is only
useful for newbies. I still say that the user should have the
possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.
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On 11/19/2012 12:36 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:
The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made to work but is only useful for
newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose
because this new save/export is a cause of
On 11/19/2012 12:57 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
/me points maderios to https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp
Thanks but I need a stable version
Otherwise, I like and I need .xcf but only when I want and where I want.
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the GIMP 2.8 Save vs. Export separation)
http://shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
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ers, fonts and other aspects of the edited image must be "Exported"
rather than saved."
http://shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
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with GNU/Linux
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https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/msg00072.html
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problem. Any editor
(gimp,libreoffice, krita, etc..) user must (learn to) save his work and
should not rely on automation that slows work.
Gimp should follow the standards available in all editors. It does not,
it is very annoying.
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On 02/10/2013 06:14 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM, maderios wrote:
Why complicate things ? This is a false problem. Any editor
(gimp,libreoffice, krita, etc..) user must (learn to) save his work and
should not rely on automation that slows work.
Gimp should
On 02/11/2013 12:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, maderios wrote:
On 02/10/2013 06:14 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM, maderios wrote:
Why complicate things ? This is a false problem. Any editor
(gimp,libreoffice, krita, etc
On 02/11/2013 02:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM, maderios wrote:
- Scribus-1.4 : the same
Wrong. Scribus is built around its own file format and isn't suited
for editing PDF which is its primary target file format. You don't
open and save a P
ffice.org/features/draw/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Draw_Guide
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_
x27;s nearly the same. You you're not forced to
save in any "native" format, you can easily choose your file format.
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On 02/11/2013 05:54 PM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:
maderios wrote:
On 02/11/2013 05:03 PM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:
- Libreoffice : the same
This is a selective functionality comparison on your part based upon a specific
file format(s) or lack of knowledge of the actual product
On 02/11/2013 07:58 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 13-02-11 12:52 PM, maderios wrote:
U => it "saves as", depending on the extension you want to choose, or
the new name you choose.
Why U? That wouldn't be an easy one to remember as having anything to do
with a save operation.
If you
know a better free soft, tell it to meGood lucK...
The save/as behaviour of Gimp 2.6, Krita, Showfot (kde), is ok but
Gimp-2.8 is much better (matchless), except for save function...
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2.8 "save / save as" behavior.
Gimp-2.6 behavior is not "old": it's the "standard" available in Krita,
Digikam Showfoto, Libreoffice, Phot$op, most text editors, etc...
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On 02/18/2013 03:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM, maderios wrote:
I use everyday "save-export-clean.py" plugin. Its' different from gimp-2.6
and other image editors like Krita, Digikam Showfoto, etc.. behavior. It
becomes complicated because yo
On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
Von: maderios
3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice.
Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign
While I wouldn't say that the team are no developers, they probably aren'
oice. From historical point of view, these are professionals who
improve the software, not the fans. Example, the "devil", Photo$hop ...
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sons x, y, and
z, but we recognize that what you're asking isn't like the broken spacebar
comic. You have options a and b now, and we're thinking about some even
better approaches in the future."
That's not a sign of weakness.
I completely agree with your comment
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Only the elite need gimp, others just need to pay for normal but
commercial editor...
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On 03/01/2013 04:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, darkweasel wrote:
Am 2013-03-01 15:50, schrieb maderios:
Translation :
Only the elite need gimp, others just need to pay for normal but
commercial editor...
Greetings
I do not understand it like that - did
A new blog with tutorials here
http://www.designmarkgraphics.co.uk/blog/
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http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/28/2146221/gnome-38-released-featuring-new-classic-mode
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/a-quick-look-at-new-gnome-classic.html
http://www.unixmen.com/gnome-3-8-released-brings-back-classic-mode/
http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-classic-will-be-a-separate-session-in
Hi
We can test G'MIC new release
http://sourceforge.net/p/gmic/wiki/G%27MIC%20Inpainting%20results/
https://plus.google.com/117441237982283011318/posts
Download
http://gmic.sourceforge.net/gimp.shtml
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Program
http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2013/program/
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.
This behavior is annoying because many people think that gimp is
unusable and therefore install photoshop. This is not a good
advertisement for the free software.
There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior.
I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll"
software. Furthermore, these
developers try sometimes to explain their approach, which allows to
build relationships. This is beneficial to advance the project.
Ask yourself why most users still sulking Gimp...
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&
On 04/26/2013 08:13 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:20 AM, maderios wrote:
Ask yourself why most users still sulking Gimp...
Last time I checked you weren't selected by the majority of users to
express their point of view. Impersonation is hardly a convi
thing
I heard is that it will be primarily targeting XMP and Exif.
Hi everybody
Until we can do it with Gimp, you can create and/or edit all kinds of
tags with Digikam.
http://www.digikam.org/
http://userbase.kde.org/Digikam/TaggingEfficient
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Hi
G'Mic 1.5.6.0 for Gimp is out
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gmic/
download
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gmic/files/?source=navbar
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Bonjour
Cocorico Le développeur principal est français
http://gmic.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gmic/
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On 06/07/2013 09:26 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
*You* have posted here before and *know* this is an *English* language
list.
Hi
Please, don't see troll everywhere..
Sorry, i'ts a mistake... This message was intended to the french debian
list.
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sional environment.
A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work.
I think Gimp-2.8 tries to do instead of the user that it should do himself.
It looks like an other OS (not GNU/LINUX) philosophy : anticipate the
desire of the user.
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On 06/15/2013 04:38 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200
maderios wrote:
This strange "save, save as" behaviour could not exist in a professional
environment.
A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work.
I think Gimp-2.8 t
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oft. You may install Linux, then you could
change the GTK theme.
Examples
http://gnome-look.org/?xcontentmode=100
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the standard now in most editors...
I think the choice of this "new save" is mostly ideological: developers
want only .xcf
Most users don't need to use .xcf
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d normally just like most free or commercial
editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied
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On 08/08/2013 09:53 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:47 PM, maderios wrote:
Hi
This positive proposal could end the eternal discussion "save vs. export",
etc
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp:
- One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 beha
On 08/10/2013 12:15 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM, maderios wrote:
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp:
- One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior
- One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to
save files quickly
On 08/10/2013 02:36 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:11:55 +0200, maderios wrote:
I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and
maintenance would be small.
Well, if it's that simple, why don't you do it?
Good question but I'
On 08/10/2013 03:45 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:55:43 +0200, maderios wrote:
Good question but I'm not developer...
Then how can you know it's simple?
*know* and *simple* are your words
I wrote :
*I think that both versions would not be very different, t
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ame as pleasing nobody.
Sadly not everyone understands the distinction. Thank you, John.
What are you talkin about ? I wrote "listen" to users, not "to please"
"Listening" means "I dont know the truth, I open my windows and my
door, I want to work with
On 08/10/2013 06:54 PM, John Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2013 10:50 AM, maderios wrote:
On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote:
When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told
that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple
and second the user must be
elopers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get
back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting.
Sincerely,
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including this message.
I never tried to classify individual messages as for or against the
change, so I have no counts for that.
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Thanks for your "save-export-clean" plug-in which is
, we can say that there is a problem somewhere
in its design...
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iking, which some people really do not understand.
Hi
Info : in the Linux/GNU software world, Gimp seems to be an exception.
Regarding other softwares, developers improve the tool thanks to
feedback from users, especially professional users who spend a lot of
time working wit
On 10/11/2013 10:20 PM, Melleus wrote:
P.S. If you really prefer accidentally loosing your information you can
surely redefine hot keys.
Hi
This is a false problem. Since last 14 years I've used all versions of
Gimp, I never lost my work. First rule : save it periodically.
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On 10/12/2013 01:44 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
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>
> On 10/11/2013 10:20 PM, Melleus wrote:
>
>> P.S. If you really prefer accidentally loosing your information you can
>> surely redefine h
,
better than jpeg because they are not destructive: png, tiff. These
three formats are very used in professional world but Martin Nordholts
an gimp team sadly ignore it...
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rks well.
This is very annoying. It would be nice to recover ergonomics and
traditional functions "save" and "save as" in Gimp-2.8.
At least give the user the choice
Thanks for your work.
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just art... Ex, I
need to edit and save many versions of the same image. I use different
format, png, xcf, jpeg. That's why Gimp has become so complicated for me
to use, compared to 2.6
M
Am 11.08.2012 20:15, schrieb maderios:
Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 w
On 08/11/2012 10:59 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
On 11.08.2012 22:51, maderios wrote:
Hi
No repetitive task (happily !). I create images. It's just art... Ex, I
need to edit and save many versions of the same image. I use different
format, png, xcf, jpeg. That's why Gimp has
On 08/11/2012 11:40 PM, Gfxuser wrote:
On 11.08.12 at 23:19 maderios wrote:
For me, "export" word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To
jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start.
You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the
contrary
On 08/12/2012 04:43 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* maderios [08-12-12 10:06]:
...
The problem is not "to understand" ! All I know, all I see, is that the
change "save" and "save as" in Gimp-2.8 complicates my life too.
I use working method with Gimp-2.6 that a
de.org/Krita/Manual/ImportExport
http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/tutorials/photoshop/save/
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Maderios (Gimp lover)
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't compare it with Gimp. Gimp is used by professional.
When you build an image, it needs hundred and hundred operations.
Imagine You may create images every day... The new weird and boring
Gimp-2.8 behavior (concerning "save" or "save as&quo
On 08/13/2012 07:43 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 18:58:24 maderios wrote:
> On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
> > I have just downloaded a sound processing program called Audacity.
> > Putzed around, hit save and was told "This will save in Au
May you explain here the reasons of the change concerning save and save as ?
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is), quite a long time
http://www.enlightenment.org/
I had time and I take time to train me to adapt but I can't adapt to
waste my time with this incoherent behavior of "save" in Gimp-2.8.
My job is the priority, so back to Gimp-2.6.
I have time to wait.. Perhaps we'll open a &quo
sional photographers.
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Maderios
PS: sorry for my bad english, I'm french
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On 08/14/2012 01:01 PM, Ofnuts wrote:
On 08/13/2012 11:29 PM, maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 09:45 PM, Ofnuts wrote:
We see the reasons behind the change
May you explain here the reasons of the change concerning save and
save as ?
Before:
- Creates complex images with several layers
On 08/14/2012 01:39 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, maderios wrote:
2)I'm not complaining about Gimp, Gimp is a very good software. I'm just
saying the new Gimp-2.8 behavior (concerning save and save as ) is an error.
This error takes away Gimp-2.8 of
On 08/14/2012 05:31 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderios wrote:
Hi Alexandre
Really ? In 1987, "digital photography" didn't exist... We (photographers)
were using color slides, and the contrast was a big problem... Easier with
negative
On 08/14/2012 07:05 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
Von: Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderios wrote:
Both of you,
may I suggest that you move your private conversation to private mail? In my
opinion, there's no further insight that can be gained for the other re
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