Re: [GO] sequels/series
Pam writes: I wondered when book sequels & series first became common? . . .Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs? The earliest I can think of at the moment are The Fairy Bower and The Lost Brooch by Harriett Mozley, both published in 1841. Charlotte Yonge saw them as the inspiration for the whole genre of books for girls. Charlotte Yonge herself was a great one, if not exactly for series, at least for linked novels. The first in her group was Scenes and Characters published in 1847, but over the years she kept introducing characters from one book into another until by the time she wrote Modern Broods in 1900 the characters from a large number of her major novels had become related to one another by marriage. On the other hand I can only think of three examples of specific sequels, and the only set that could really be called a series were her Langley School stories, first begun in the 1840s, abandoned for many years, and then resurrected in the 1880s and featuring a new generation of the same families in the same village. Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Buffy
No, Spike is great. Angel just mopes around, full of angst. And his eyes are too close together. Elspeth - Original Message - From: "Sandra Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "girlsown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: [GO] Buffy > Although I am a huge sook, i don;t think I have cried that much over > Buffy...I have when Joyce and Tara die but not much else. I bet now though > that the tears will come the next time I watch these episodes! Actuallyt, I > think I have cried recently, but can';t remember when. I am in the middle > of re-watching season 7. > > Still on Buffy but totally unrelated to Girlsown I am dying to know what > peoples' opinions are on the whole Buffy and Angel or Buffy and Spike > relationship question. Am I the only one who prefers Spike to Angel? (Happy > to go off-list!) > > Sandra > > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] OT: Gaelic
What you need to do Katharine is wait until you get those nasty white floaty bits in your cup of tea and then you casually remark, "Tor arn bahn-ya gair." Marcia -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Wintle's Wonders
Hi Marcia & others, I wonder what you found distressing in AF's Autumn Term - can you remember? I have just read it again and wonder if it was the unfairness re the expulsion from Guides. Regards, Patricia Marcia Wrote: I haven't read Wintle's Wonders since I first read it as a child. I love Noel Streatfeild but even when I'm have an NS binge I get to Wintle's Wonders and think oh no, that's the one with the awful bit about the birthday chair. I have almost no recollection of the story but there must have been something that upset me when I was young. I had the same sort of reaction to Autumn Term for years until all the discussion on Girls Own about AF got me to give her another try. I think it's odd that I can almost totally forget a story and yet still remember that I found it distressing in some way. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] NS Sirens Wailed
I haven't read many NS for many years except for the Vicarage family and it's sequels but I did read most as a child and I can remember being impressed and enjoying Sirens and Thursday's Child. They're the ones I've bought as an adult but I haven't had time for a reread to give you an opinion as to if my feelings towards them have changed in the meantime. Susan D > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > nicky smith > Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 9:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders Likewise I enjoyed When the Siren Wailed as a child (the cliches about evacuees weren't > cliches to me and I didn't notice any snobbery, just an interesting account of > a situation I had only come across in the tv Carrie's War but much more grim). > But people who read it as an adult seem to hate it. > > Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
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From: "kirkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: [GO] sequels/series
> I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget
Jones'
> Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't
spot
> the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway,
given BJD
> has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered
when
> book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible &
Shakespeare
> have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction -
especially
> children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there
anything
> much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?
>
> Pam
>
The Fairchild Family was published in c1820 and part two appeared 20
years later (presumably by popular demand because kids just can't get
enough of evangelising over rotting corpses). Non-GO there's Robinson
Crusoe which has a largely forgotten sequel where he goes to Russia. Or
CM Yonge - she must be the queen of the nineteenth century sequel.
Nicky
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[GO] sequels/series
I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget Jones'
Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't spot
the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway, given BJD
has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered when
book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible & Shakespeare
have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction - especially
children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything
much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?
Pam
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Re: [GO] OT: Gaelic
If it's Scots Gaelic try http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/beurla/ - that's the Gaelic college of the University of Highlands and Islands: online dictionary. And you can use the search SMO box to search for the pronounciation guides. (I find it difficult, personally, my brain and tongue are not made for Gaelic!) Valerie -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Re: GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
I don't know about the rest of the list, but I think the "who said what" postings about last week's flare-up are tedious to say the least. We all remember who said what, and anyone who doesn't and is remotely interested can go to the archives. We don't need posts repeated virtually in their entirity. Liz (not a moderator, but quite fed up with this public argument between two members) -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] RE: Buffy
Kait said "I loved Buffy and Angel together, but since they can't be, I really want the Buffy/Spike thing to work. Spike is certainly a great character with lots of charisma, I can understand why they brought him back" I loved Buffy and Angel together too, and that episode in Angel "I will remember you" *almost* made me cry, but Spike and Buffy...well, that's another thing altogether. I think the reason I am such a Spike fan was that even at his worst as a vampire, he still had a heart with a great depth for love, with Drusilla and then Buffy. Angel was only loving when he had a soul...when he lost it, well, we know how evil he was. Diane said "I think Buffy is a GO text, even though it's a. tv and b. often teen romance. The first three series are set at school, and many of the themes-and-issues are VERY GO - friendship and its limits, popularity and its price, public duty versus private pleasure." Thanks Diane! "Spike, otoh, is straight from another kind of literature altogether, the realist novel of the Angry Young Men, and the whole point of him is that he really has no proper place in the Buffyverse socially, which is why he carries such a strong sexual charge of alienness and difference." I think that is why he works so well...and that is why I am totally inlove with him. I think that the most interesting and enjoyable characters of buffy have been the 'outsider' characters - Cordelia, Spike, Anya. Even though they do become part of the "Scoobies" I find they never fit in as well as the others who came in later, eg, Tara and Riley. I liked their honesty - Cordelia had no tact whatsoever and just blurted out the bleeding obvious, Spike didn't give two hoots and said what he thought, which was pretty much what no one wanted to say, and Anya, I think tactless would be her as well. In most GO I can think of (and my reading is very basic still) characters who spoke what they thought were favourable regarded as honest, whereas I think buffy and co just wished these three would shut up. Does that make sense? -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] RE: Sara/h
Katie said "I usually work on Sarah=s-air-a and Sara=sahra, as that fits _most_ of the people I come across, but I now know a Sara who pronounces her name S-air-a, and I'm sure I knew another in the 1970's at junior school. So I don't think it's a hard and fast rule, though in the UK it does seem to be a tendency (or is it just that way where I've lived?)" I have taught girls with both spellings but all have been pronounced as S-air-ra. I used to think "Sara" would rhyme with 'Clara' but here in Australia I have nevercome across anyone who says it that way. Mind you, a couple of years ago on Big Brother there was a "Sahra" who pronounced it "S-air-ra" but she admitted she changed the spelling of her name just to be different. We're planning to call our baby "Tara" if it is a girl, and God help anyone who prnounces it "Tarra" (like in Gone With the Wind). I know I am going to have enough trouble stopping people calling my Isabella "Izzy" (shudders). Are there any great characters named Tara in GO? -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Girlsown Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 - yes all of it - truly
Well, after hearing from our honestly beloved leaders, but even more after reading this digest, I'm no longer fearful that GO will become wishy-washy or that its members will avoid controversy. I have Now Calmed Down. NB: Sue, what is true tolerance as opposed to laxness? I mean, how can you tell? -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] OT: Gaelic
Scots or Irish, Katharine? I think there is something - at least links to pages - off the BBC pages, for Scots Gaelic at least. I can't remember how I stumbled across this - I think it came off a page which had lots aboutelarning different languages, but I'm not sure the URL had anything that specified "educational" in it. Katie >Being the incredibly shallow person that I am, I'd like to learn a bit about >Gaelic* to impress someone. Ahem. Are there any websites out there that >would give me the basics of pronunciation and that sort of thing, or even an >online dictionary? > >Thanks, > >Katharine > >*(nearly wrote 'a bit *of* Gaelic' there, but realised that wouldn't be at >all >easy) > > > >They do say, Mrs Miggins, that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. >They are of course wrong, as you will soon discover...when I stick this >toasting fork in your head. > - Edmund Blackadder > > > >--- >Certified Virus Free - DG >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 02/06/2004 > > >-- > >Girlsown mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown >For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] OT: Gaelic
>Being the incredibly shallow person that I am, I'd like to learn a bit about >Gaelic* to impress someone. Ahem. Are there any websites out there that >would give me the basics of pronunciation and that sort of thing, or even an >online dictionary? >Thanks, >Katharine >*(nearly wrote 'a bit *of* Gaelic' there, but realised that wouldn't be at >all >easy) I seem to remember Betty Wynne-Davies having similar aspirations Pam K -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] OT: Gaelic
Being the incredibly shallow person that I am, I'd like to learn a bit about Gaelic* to impress someone. Ahem. Are there any websites out there that would give me the basics of pronunciation and that sort of thing, or even an online dictionary? Thanks, Katharine *(nearly wrote 'a bit *of* Gaelic' there, but realised that wouldn't be at all easy) They do say, Mrs Miggins, that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are of course wrong, as you will soon discover...when I stick this toasting fork in your head. - Edmund Blackadder --- Certified Virus Free - DG Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 02/06/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO]Sara/h, was Books that make me cry
I usually work on Sarah=s-air-a and Sara=sahra, as that fits _most_ of the people I come across, but I now know a Sara who pronounces her name S-air-a, and I'm sure I knew another in the 1970's at junior school. So I don't think it's a hard and fast rule, though in the UK it does seem to be a tendency (or is it just that way where I've lived?) Katie Lisa wrote: >By the way, do people pronounce Sara as Sarah (Sair-a) or to rhyme(ish)with >'Sahara' (Sahr-a) I've always done the latter because the first Sara I knew >pronounced it like that, although my cousin's wife is Sara pronounced 'Sarah' -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] off-topic, but getting back on-topic
I think that it's supposed to refer to people's personal behaviour, (e.g. with regard to sexual behaviour or drugs) rather than public policies such as sending troops to Iraq. I also agree that people in general don't want to do others to do the things that they disapprove of; and the issue is more that [some types of] conservatives think that there should be laws against the personal acts of which they disapprove; whereas [most] liberals are less likely to think so. I think that this is much truer in some other countries than in the UK at present, where the major issues of political division are other ones [the 'regulation of personal behaviour' issue was probably much more party-political here in the sixties than now]. I realize that some issues such as fox-hunting are grey areas in this sense - yes, I do think it is cruel and should be banned; yes, I also realize that some people do feel that this is an excessive infringement on the rights of some country-dwellers to pursue their own traditional way of life. This actually does lead back on topic, because school stories are full of rules; the reasons for rules; rebellions, justified or unjustified, against rules; and the arguments for and against restricting people's personal choices through rules and regulations. Antonia Forest, though apparently conservative about politics and religion, seems quite 'liberal' according to this definition in her attitude to school rules. By contrast, EBD seems to place a great emphasis on obedience to rules as a good thing in itself, though even she points out the possibility of excesses in this respect [e.g. Miss Bubb.] I think one could have a very interesting discussion about rules, restrictions, freedom, obedience, etc. in the school story. Ann > Mmm. A bit provocative? And also one of those witty remarks which > disintegrates when examined. I'd have said that neither Liberals and > Conservatives > like other people to do what they disapprove of - I mean, I hadn't noticed > that the anti-hunting brigade (to avoid flames, I'd better stress that I > dislike hunting and won't mind when it's banned) are happy to let other > people go > on doing it. And if I said: "Well, I greatly disapprove of the Iraq war, but > if Bush and Blair want to send troops, who am I to protest?" you'd think I > was > crazy. > > Surely the person who disapproves and doesn't want anyone to do it is simply > human? The person who doesn't approve and doesn't do it, but lets other > people do it is either very tolerant (TRULY tolerant, which means putting up > with things you hate, not just shrugging your shoulders), or lax, depending > on > what the thing is. > > Yep - off-topic, but I'm clearly Conservative, and don't want anyone to > produce tendentious quotations. Sorry, Con! > > Sue > > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Teas and Translation pendant
In a message dated 13/11/2004 16:53:10 GMT Standard Time, Con writes (well, quotes in her signature line): >Liberals: people who don't approve of something: so they don't do it. Conservatives: people who don't approve of something: so they don't want anyone to do it.< Mmm. A bit provocative? And also one of those witty remarks which disintegrates when examined. I'd have said that neither Liberals and Conservatives like other people to do what they disapprove of - I mean, I hadn't noticed that the anti-hunting brigade (to avoid flames, I'd better stress that I dislike hunting and won't mind when it's banned) are happy to let other people go on doing it. And if I said: "Well, I greatly disapprove of the Iraq war, but if Bush and Blair want to send troops, who am I to protest?" you'd think I was crazy. Surely the person who disapproves and doesn't want anyone to do it is simply human? The person who doesn't approve and doesn't do it, but lets other people do it is either very tolerant (TRULY tolerant, which means putting up with things you hate, not just shrugging your shoulders), or lax, depending on what the thing is. Yep - off-topic, but I'm clearly Conservative, and don't want anyone to produce tendentious quotations. Sorry, Con! Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Tuck
Oh Tuck Boxes make me cry too, but only because I can't understand how they turn Darrel & Co into svelte super swimmers and me into a lard-ass. Avital. >>Never heard of Tuck Everlasting Avity, just Tuck Box, jammed with goodies at Malory Towers or St Clares! Pammy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
In a message dated 13/11/2004 15:32:47 GMT Standard Time, Nicky writes: >Perhaps I'm just very dull (and I wouldn't deny accusations of humdrummity) but even as a child I preferred Petrova and Myra Forum and Ginny Bell (and Paul whose singing voice was like a nutmeg grater) and I would have hated for them to have developed unlikely talents. I don't want my heroes and heroines to win through because they are talentedbut because they are persistent and clever (thus Klaus is my favourite Baudelaire because he has neither sharp teeth, nor a talent for cookery of invention, but simply works hard at reading). I guess that's why I've just never really liked fantasy even when it doesn't involve magic.< I think it's de gustibus, really - I love fantasy, and if you're implying that the Cinderella theme is fantasy, I'm sure you're right. What tickled me was not just Rachel being a fine actor (and why is this unlikely? NS tells us that her dead father was a fine actor; she's good at English, sensitive and responsive, loves Shakespeare, is given extra work and learning-by-heart by wotserhame, the governess (the book is approx. three yards away, but I'm lazy), and so on - blimey, what a parenthesis), but the kick-in-the-face it gives to the wicked stepmother and ugly sister (well, ugly in character). I agree, actually, about liking Myra and Petrova, but this is surely not just for psychological reasons, so to speak, but because NS is working from her own memories of being the odd one out, the one who, though she desperately wanted her parents' approval, never seemed to have it; and therefore we are constantly led to identify with these characters. The epitome of this type is Ginny, of course, but one can see it right from her earliest work (Tanya, in 'The Whicharts' is the prototype of Petrova). Come to think of it, Petrova has a huge talent; just not in the entertainment industry. It's surely a theme running through much of her work, and, I'd argue, through all of her best work, that of the outsider, the Ugly Duckling, who makes good in some way. That way is frequently through discovering a talent; but even so, NS never hides the hard work. I think you're a little dismissive about Rachel, who has been working at her talent - see parenthesis above; but is it that different from Lala and Harriet, except that Lala isn't a monster and Harriet's talent is revealed more gradually? It's still the role-reversal. Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sobbing
Never heard of Tuck Everlasting Avity, just Tuck Box, jammed with goodies at Malory Towers or St Clares! Pammy Did anyone mention Tuck Everlasting? I still get a bit sniffly just thinking about poor old (young) Jesse. Avital. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] sobbing
Did anyone mention Tuck Everlasting? I still get a bit sniffly just thinking about poor old (young) Jesse. Avital. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] DF Bruce
I've just read my first Dorita Fairlie Bruce book, The Girls of St Bride's. I loved the book, but think the girls sound pretty awful on the whole, only liking people if they have done anything "for the school". And as for the "sneaking", if the other girls' lives were at risk then Winifred/Cynthia should have been thanked. I like Morag and Christine though, hope they don't become too St Bride-ish later on. Avital --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] anthea althea
I have knows a few AN-theas, but always imagine al-THEE-a to be pronounced like that. Having never known an Althea, I don't know why I do that, or if it is right. Avital --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
>>Yes, well, I can also say that every message I received personally was very positive, including some from self-avowed liberals. And a few expressed fear of going public to avoid being attacked as I was. -- Eleanor << Eleanor, your guy *won*. So what's the problem? Claire -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
At 10:30 AM 11/13/2004, Deborah A. Fleming wrote: The recent spark I started with the Pullman quote was not intended to cause anyone to come unhinged. I was genuinely shocked, despite Eleanor's unfounded accusations about my motives in posting the quote, that it would unleash such rage. I did not think everyone would agree with what he said, but why do we always have to agree? I get impassioned about what I think, too, but I expect differing opinions from others with passions just as strong, and welcome the opportunity for further discussion. I'd like to suggest a quick visit to the archives for those who are engaging in revisionist history. Ms. Fleming posted Pullman's comments. Fine. I posted my reaction to Pullman's comments--two sentences: This is absolute garbage. This kind of hysterical demonization of anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with the liberal viewpoint is exactly the reason the liberals lost the election. Ms. Fleming did not then discuss Pullman in any way; what she did was unleash the following off-topic attack: Liberals aren't the ones who refused access to Bu$h campaign rallies to anyone who might express an opposing view. Liberals did not pen protesters up far away from where the President of the United States, who is supposed to be representing us all, was speaking, on numerous occasions. America, according to our Constitution, is supposed to be about a lot of rights that are fast disappearing. I lament this morphing into something that will be unrecognizable as the America I have loved for so long. Religious fundamentalism IS having in impact. I posted this because we have discussed Pullman, and his writing and beliefs, here on GO, before. Interesting reactions. Since almost all of the media in the U.S. is owned by right-leaning supporters of Bu$hCo, let's not kid ourselves that there is much of a "liberal" media today in the U.S. As the Patriot Act is expanded, the few dissenting voices will probably disappear. America now has, effectively, a one-party system. This may not bode well for future events. I think time will tell if Pullman's assessment is correct in his opinions. And so I responded in kind. So who's at fault in the discussion? Who decided to rant about the election of President Bush? But now Ms. Fleming tries to pretend that the discussion was just about Pullman: For some reason, I thought that any discussion resulting from my posting would still relate to Pullman and his writing, as have prior GO discussions about his views, his atheism, and his attacks on organized religion. Now that I have seen the aftermath, I realize that my thinking was extremely naive, to say the least. Since we had talked about Pullman and his writing within the context of his atheism, and his attacks on organized religion at length here before, I really did not give enough thought to what I was doing in posting that quote. I did not consider that it would create so many problems, although I only recall a few negative comments, mostly from one or two people, at least that I saw. It was not, not after her second post--an off-topic political diatribe--to which I had a legitimate right to respond, and I exercised that right. As for that Pullman quote discussion (or fist fight), if that is the one in question, "cluttering up mailboxes", I must have missed much of the discussion. I only saw maybe 10 messages that related to that issue, and all but a handful of them (that I saw) were sent to me personally, not through the list. I am also pleased to say that every message that I received personally was very positive, which was comforting. Yes, well, I can also say that every message I received personally was very positive, including some from self-avowed liberals. And a few expressed fear of going public to avoid being attacked as I was. -- Eleanor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cherry Ames Page, http://www.cherryamespage.com Authors and Books for Children, http://www.elliemik.com Refined Ladies, http://www.refinedladies.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Teas and Translation
I agree with someone (Kate?) who commented recently that translators are only noticed when the translation seems awkward and ignored when their work is good. Despite this, I also noticed how prolific Anthea Bell is as a translator (fiction, non-fiction, juvenile). I seem to recall she wrote at least one quite good regency/historical novel in her own right but I have never come across it again. Did anyone read this? I keep thinking there are several other books besides the ones mentioned where the families start serving teas but maybe I am getting confused with the ones where the families start running B&Bs or small inns (Six on Easy Street/Cavanna, The Pink Motel/Brink) or even one lodger (A Room for Cathy/Wooley). I do love No Boats on Bannermere, as I love all Trease, although I agree Bill is very condescending towards Penny and Sue. Having very much enjoyed The Honour of the School, I recently read the Cinderella Girl by E.M. Channon, which has a sort of cooking theme. Upon leaving boarding school, this poor (literally) heroine went off to a sort of one year catering college, got a job as a cook at a posh boarding school which fell through before she could start, so had to settle for being a cook to two older ladies where there was barely enough food to eat and no one to talk to at all. Her year with these two ladies was very depressing, and to attend the annual college catering reunion weekend her employer gleefully made her give up her days off for a month. It was a wretched existence (although a happy ending did eventually take place). The one thing that seemed to keep Stacy going was her dear and rich friend from school, Agatha, who invited her to stay periodically. S P O I L E R Have I read too many books where girls marry men twice their age? At the beginning, I was sure Stacy would eventually marry Agatha's handsome father, Sir Humphrey Phayre, and thus be rescued from her woeful life. When I realized he had financial troubles, that was clearly not going to happen, and then the man committed suicide, spoiling his eligibility to be Prince Charming to Stacy's Cinderella. It was very thoughtless of him... Has anyone read Chasing Vermeer? It got such hype but I thought it was sort of a feeble cross between the DaVinci Code and (my favorite) The Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E Frankweiler. Still worth reading but perhaps (as I did) only from the library. Constance, now back to work on a paper about Battered Women's Syndrome ps - ANTH-ea or An-THEA? I always assumed the former because of Nesbit's heroine being called Panther but even that did not make much sense to me as a child. Quote of the Day: Liberals: people who don't approve of something: so they don't do it. Conservatives: people who don't approve of something: so they don't want anyone to do it. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] GO Admin
Things will stay the same as they ever have been, so please stop worrying that the list will turn into a dictatorship :) The wide diversity of off topics will still happen and will not be subject to vetting unless an admin request sent to the list is ignored by one or more people after a reasonable time-lapse to allow digest readers and those who access their mail less frequently than others to have seen the request. So lets get back to discussing books and any OT things that crop up. -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Buffy - ON topic, I claim stoutly
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >Still on Buffy but totally unrelated to Girlsown I am dying to know what >peoples' opinions are on the whole Buffy and Angel or Buffy and Spike >relationship question. Am I the only one who prefers Spike to Angel? (Happy >to go off-list!) I think Buffy is a GO text, even though it's a. tv and b. often teen romance. The first three series are set at school, and many of the themes-and-issues are VERY GO - friendship and its limits, popularity and its price, public duty versus private pleasure. School stories often have Gothic elements - many of Brazil's do, and there was The Silent Three. As well, the adventure/detecting aspect of Buffy also drives many a GO plot. And finally, Buffy is an entirely GO girl - ringleader, tomboy and chum to the weak. (Rather silken, too, but let that pass.) Hence Angel and Spike are GO too, and as such very, very recognisable. Am I the only one to see a passing resemblance between Angel and Patrick Merrick - not just in the sense of being hotties, but a kind of structural resemblance? Both are the outsider that anchor the group (The Marlow Family, the Scoobies), male where the group is (predominantly) female, though in both groups the masculinity of the outsider is emphasised because there is one male who struggles to seem masculine enough in both groups (Peter, Xander). Both Angel and Patrick are somehow doomed figures from the getgo, both are morally ambiguous, and both are potentially deadly. Both also carry a weight of cultural memory, a knowingness from the past. Spike, otoh, is straight from another kind of literature altogether, the realist novel of the Angry Young Men, and the whole point of him is that he really has no proper place in the Buffyverse socially, which is why he carries such a strong sexual charge of alienness and difference. So after all that faffling, I liked both relationships and thought they both worked superbly in different ways. -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
On 13 Nov 2004 at 16:48, KAIT BESSING wrote: > Could we know who the group of admins are, please? I know you and > Helen A, but who are the others? > > Kait Ann Dowker, Pat Hanby, Gareth Dixon, Susan Dunnachie, Pat Bland, Sally Odgers, Katherine Considine. A fairly even distribution between hemispheres and time-zones which was totally accidental! -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
On 13 Nov 2004 at 10:23, Diane Purkiss wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > >No, its the last resort, Diane. For use very sparingly, and only when > > admin requests have been not taken seriously. > > I know how aggravating that must be, Helen, and of course I trust you. > But although I don't want to be the Nita Tomlinson of GO or act as if > I'm in That Term At St Faith's, but I really dislike this whole idea, > and still feel at liberty to say so. Of course everyone will be allowed to express their opinions exactly as before, Diane. > I would also argue strenuously for the permeability of the 'topic' we > discuss. At bottom, it's books, and talking about books can lead > almost anywhere - to cooking or religion or showjumping or very > personal histories - and all those thigns can eb relevant to books and > illuminating about them. I fear - and it may be irrational - that > this admin rule may lead to self-censorship; people may so dislike the > spank that they don't dare bring up politics or history or religion. These will still be allowed, nay, enjoyed by all. I cannot see the situation where this option will be used routinely - if it ever does, the list at large has my acceptance of them kicking me out of GO for ever. > And I for one love the way we can discuss hairwashing one week and > Bush the next, with an in-depth reading of Trease's politics > sandwiched between. > I think all I'm really saying is that I love GO as it is. And I don't > want it to change. > There. I've said my say. And that's what it's all about. I will say it again - Girlsown Is Not Going To Change Helen -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
Could we know who the group of admins are, please? I know you and Helen A, but who are the others? Kait -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.2.2 - Release Date: 2004-11-12 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Buffy/Jonathan
Huh. The disadvantages of being partially sighted. I don't recognise actors from one episode to the next (except the main ones), so I'd no idea he'd appeared so often! Yes, I've seen him in all those episodes, but never realised he was the same guy. Thanks for explaining it all. So what about the other two, Warren and Whatsisname - have they been around before? One of them created the robot Buffy - or was that Jonathan again?? Kait Diane Purkiss wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >>> Jonathan's speech when >presenting that daft >>> umbrella at the Prom get me >every time: >> >> Is this the same Jonathan who's part of the three villains later? > > He's in a lot of episodes. A few examples: In Inca Mummy Girl the > Inca Princess tries to drain him; there's an episode where he decides > to gun down everyone from the Clock Tower; and (my favourite) in > Series 4 there's a wonderful alternate reality episode called Super > Star in which everyone adores him and looks up to him and he's the > one who saves the world (a lot). And yes, he's one of the Three. > > And yes, I am a total Buffy nerd. I am gearing up to buy Series 1-7 > on DVD later this month by eating a lot of lettuce and toast :). > > Buffy talk reminds me to ask if any GO people have read a series of > high-school books called The Clique. > -- > Diane Purkiss > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see > http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.2.2 - Release Date: 2004-11-12 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I agree wholeheartedly with you and Diane (whose name I think I've just misspelt. Sorry!) It would be a great pity if GO were to change into yet another "Let's keep to the topic, please" sort of list so Helen's suggestion is quite a good way of avoiding this. I'm sure our list Admin., who are very sane people, will keep such interventions to a minimum. There have been quite a lot of eruptions recently and this will hopefully help to cool things down at such times without preventing the free discussions which make GO such fun. Maybe I'm a bit sick but I even enjoy the eruptions! Janferie > I also love the permeability of GO. And I think it's very important > to be able to discuss politics and religion, as these are really central > to much of the literature that we discuss. It would be difficult to > discuss Pullman, C.S. Lewis, Antonia Forest, or most 19th-century > authors without some reference to politics or religion. > > I love the fact that GO is very international and varied and that one > can get the perspectives of people from a huge variety of countries, > age-groups, religions, and political viewpoints. I have learned a lot, > and adjusted some of my own assumptions. > > I would be very sad if this list became just another list that > required one to just post on very specific topics, and discouraged > all off-topic comment. > > In other words, I, too, would like GO to remain as it is. > > However, my interpretation of Helen's remark was not that certain > topics are banned and anyone who posts on them will be promptly > censored. It does seem that there are a few topics that arouse > very strong feelings in some people, and can lead them to > attempt to 'spank' and 'censor' people who post on these subjects. > This sort of thing is not always confined to politics or religion. > I think that for most people, being 'spanked' by other list members > is actually more intimidating than being 'spanked' by a moderator, > because it feels more personal. Having some possibilities for action > by a moderator in extreme cases, may actually reduce some people's > nervousness about posting. > > Ann > > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Buffy
Sandra Wright wrote: > Still on Buffy but totally unrelated >to Girlsown I am dying to know > what peoples' opinions are on >the whole Buffy and Angel or >Buffy and > Spike relationship question. Am >I the only one who prefers Spike >to > Angel? (Happy to go off-list!) I loved Buffy and Angel together, but since they can't be, I really want the Buffy/Spike thing to work. Spike is certainly a great character with lots of charisma, I can understand why they brought him back! Kait -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.2.2 - Release Date: 2004-11-12 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
The recent spark I started with the Pullman quote was not intended to cause anyone to come unhinged. I was genuinely shocked, despite Eleanor's unfounded accusations about my motives in posting the quote, that it would unleash such rage. I did not think everyone would agree with what he said, but why do we always have to agree? I get impassioned about what I think, too, but I expect differing opinions from others with passions just as strong, and welcome the opportunity for further discussion. For some reason, I thought that any discussion resulting from my posting would still relate to Pullman and his writing, as have prior GO discussions about his views, his atheism, and his attacks on organized religion. Now that I have seen the aftermath, I realize that my thinking was extremely naive, to say the least. Since we had talked about Pullman and his writing within the context of his atheism, and his attacks on organized religion at length here before, I really did not give enough thought to what I was doing in posting that quote. I did not consider that it would create so many problems, although I only recall a few negative comments, mostly from one or two people, at least that I saw. All of the books that we all like to read and discuss here, or any other books, are written by people who live/d and work/ed, like everyone else, in some sort of contexts, personal and societal. I don't think too many ideas, literary or otherwise, occur in a vacuum. To me it is much more interesting to discuss this genre within those contexts This might mean that sometimes things will veer into the realm of the controversial. So what if we are not always in agreement? In my opinion, we should be able to react to things like adults (and most of us can), and agree to disagree, ultimately, while keeping the discussion civil. However, I can accept the limitations imposed here, regarding suitable topics, now that they have been updated and clarified. After all, since the moderators do all of the list-maintenance work, they get to call the shots about what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can't begrudge them that. Cooperation with their rules is a small price to pay for their considerable efforts in keeping things going. As for that Pullman quote discussion (or fist fight), if that is the one in question, "cluttering up mailboxes", I must have missed much of the discussion. I only saw maybe 10 messages that related to that issue, and all but a handful of them (that I saw) were sent to me personally, not through the list. I am also pleased to say that every message that I received personally was very positive, which was comforting. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintles Wonders
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > It's my favourite NS as well: I did read it as a child, and thought that the > > ending was wonderful - I remember laughing out loud with triumph when I got > > there. It's a Cinderella story, of course, and how could one want > Cinderella > to stay sitting in the ashes, even if we're all assured that sweeping > kitchens is far more important and useful than marrying princes? I can > quite see > that, from an adult point of view, we'd like to be reassured that humdrumity > > (if I may invent an abstract noun) is better than fame and fortune, because > > most of us on this list are humdrumers (and again...). But for a child, > never! > Perhaps I'm just very dull (and I wouldn't deny accusations of humdrummity) but even as a child I preferred Petrova and Myra Forum and Ginny Bell (and Paul whose singing voice was like a nutmeg grater) and I would have hated for them to have developed unlikely talents. I don't want my heroes and heroines to win through because they are talentedbut because they are persistent and clever (thus Klaus is my favourite Baudelaire because he has neither sharp teeth, nor a talent for cookery of invention, but simply works hard at reading). I guess that's why I've just never really liked fantasy even when it doesn't involve magic. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintles Wonders
In a message dated 13/11/2004 12:03:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I only read Wintle's Wonders as an adult and liked it up until the last chapter when Rachel suddenly becomes a fabulous dramatic actress. Which I hated because it seemed as if NS had spent the whole book saying that artistic talent wasn't everything and there were many different sorts of achievement (and kudos to her for letting Hilary do musical comedy. I'm sure Lorna Hill would have been horrified) and then in the last chapter she says that really Rachel has the most important talent of all. I wanted her to be like Petrova or Myra and good at something else or just be a nice person with no particular talents. But if I'd been a child, maybe I would have gone with the fantasy more. It's my favourite NS as well: I did read it as a child, and thought that the ending was wonderful - I remember laughing out loud with triumph when I got there. It's a Cinderella story, of course, and how could one want Cinderella to stay sitting in the ashes, even if we're all assured that sweeping kitchens is far more important and useful than marrying princes? I can quite see that, from an adult point of view, we'd like to be reassured that humdrumity (if I may invent an abstract noun) is better than fame and fortune, because most of us on this list are humdrumers (and again...). But for a child, never! Sue Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Repulsive Dulcies
Quoting Ellen Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > And on the subject of repulsive Dulcies, did anyone mention the one in > Good-bye Gemma? > > I'd forgotten her but she does have my sympathy. I can't imagine a university drama group putting on a play and then not casting a student in the lead ! Especially when it was going to be high-profile (though I find the idea of The Times reviewing a student Hamlet extremely unlikely) and would therefore further the careers of any would-be actors in the cast. And being called Dulcie in 1969 would be enough to piss anyone off. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Re: Finding Neverland
Quoting Ellen Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Oh yes, Barbara, that was a wonderful series. I particularly liked the > way Barrie was shown as in effect flirting with the boys, offering > exciting ideas and games (and his big friendly dog) and then withdrawing > his attention until they begged him to play with them. > It's available on dvd for those interested. See http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002PC2EA/qid=1100352260/sr=2- 3/ref=sr_2_11_3/202-0686976-2391869 Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintles Wonders
One of the things I find interesting about Wintle's Wonders (which is one of my top 5 Streatfeild favourites) is the parallels between Rachel and Sorel in Curtain Up, both retiring good girls who become obsessive about ensuring the future of a sibling, and both turning out to be really fine actresses. Angela Bull says she doubts if either has enough "killer instinct" to make it as an actress, but I feel that by giving them this obsessive streak she is indicating that they will have the strength to go for what they need when the time comes. I wonder if NS saw this as characteristic of a particular fine actress she encountered. And on the subject of repulsive Dulcies, did anyone mention the one in Good-bye Gemma? Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Re: Finding Neverland
Oh yes, Barbara, that was a wonderful series. I particularly liked the way Barrie was shown as in effect flirting with the boys, offering exciting ideas and games (and his big friendly dog) and then withdrawing his attention until they begged him to play with them. I don't suppose this film goes on to show how, once the Ll-Ds were growing up and their mother gone, Barrie did it again, and moved in on the family of Lady Cynthia Asquith. She and her husband were, like the Ll-Ds having finacncial troubles, and Barrie solved the problem for them by making Lady C his secretary, but it was apparently not much fun for her husband having to trail around after Barrie with her. Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Barbara Dryden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/11/04 06:36pm >>> There was a brilliant TV series: J M Barrie & the Lost Boys, starring Ian Holm as Barrie. Based on the book by Andrew Birkin, which gives all the facts. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
As the person who made the proposal, then announced it, I need to say that it is intended as a last resort. This is not about the normal OT discussions, which have been a part of girlsown since day 3, I think. This is about a temporary sanction to be used when people ignore the list admin's request to stop a discussion. That happens very rarely as it is, and having the request ignored is even rarer. The Uber-Prefect and admin group is unchanged and there are no plans to change the way the group works - when it works. A person who is being moderated can still post to the list, but their posts will be checked to ensure they aren't continuing a discussion that should have stopped. They will be notified when a post is being held and again if a post is being rejected. So, yes, Diane, this is censorship. But it is not secret censorship. There is a group of admins, so a person who felt they were being unfairly censored would have a group of people who they could appeal to. Some of the moderated newsgroups on the net have set up unbelievably elaborate moderation systems, including appeals and oversight committees, and alternate non-moderated groups and websites where rejected posts can be viewed. I don't think girlsown needs this - for the most part it is a group which is remarkably free from conflict. Anita -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Buffy/Jonathan
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >>Jonathan's speech when >presenting that daft >> umbrella at the Prom get me >every time: > >Is this the same Jonathan who's part of the three villains later? He's in a lot of episodes. A few examples: In Inca Mummy Girl the Inca Princess tries to drain him; there's an episode where he decides to gun down everyone from the Clock Tower; and (my favourite) in Series 4 there's a wonderful alternate reality episode called Super Star in which everyone adores him and looks up to him and he's the one who saves the world (a lot). And yes, he's one of the Three. And yes, I am a total Buffy nerd. I am gearing up to buy Series 1-7 on DVD later this month by eating a lot of lettuce and toast :). Buffy talk reminds me to ask if any GO people have read a series of high-school books called The Clique. -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Books and knives
> >Another thing about books and Feng Shui is that the space on a shelf, at the >edge, can be considered a knife...not a good thing thing in Feng Shui. To help >to manage that energy, books should be lined flush with the edge of a shelf, >not pushed back on the shelf with space between the edge of the shelf and the >books. I suppose this is really no weirder than me kissing a glass case containing the bones of St Philip Neri. But it FEELS weirder. Why can't it be a shelf -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I was relieved when I heard there was to be a possiblility of moderating & I didn't see it as a way of stiffling OT discussions, but of stopping them when the request to stop had not been heeded. I was getting very unhappy about the debate which occassioned this ultimate sanction. Yes, I was deleting them, but even so it was clogging up my in-box & I was groaning 'Oh not again' before deleting. And there was the apparent insistence on getting in the last word even after others had heeded the request to stop. So I'm for this 'last resort' of nmoderation - and it was said that it was only for a week, I think, until the heat had died down & the list had moved to tother things, then the 'moderated' person would be free to opost unmoderated again. I enjoy many OT discussions, but I must admit, ont his one I was thoroughtly fed up witht eh US elections on TV, without having it on GO as well. We have had people leave the list (or threaten to) when Ot discussions have got out of hand, and this should alieviate that problem. So, 'Go for it' prefects, I say - but use discretions, and only as a last resort! Jane -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Wintles Wonders
I adore this book although (probably because) I only discovered it, in a charity shop, at the age of 25. I especially love the ending which I won't spoil for anyone! Rachel and Hilary do strike me as more planted in reality than the Fossils. Lisa -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I also love the permeability of GO. And I think it's very important to be able to discuss politics and religion, as these are really central to much of the literature that we discuss. It would be difficult to discuss Pullman, C.S. Lewis, Antonia Forest, or most 19th-century authors without some reference to politics or religion. I love the fact that GO is very international and varied and that one can get the perspectives of people from a huge variety of countries, age-groups, religions, and political viewpoints. I have learned a lot, and adjusted some of my own assumptions. I would be very sad if this list became just another list that required one to just post on very specific topics, and discouraged all off-topic comment. In other words, I, too, would like GO to remain as it is. However, my interpretation of Helen's remark was not that certain topics are banned and anyone who posts on them will be promptly censored. It does seem that there are a few topics that arouse very strong feelings in some people, and can lead them to attempt to 'spank' and 'censor' people who post on these subjects. This sort of thing is not always confined to politics or religion. I think that for most people, being 'spanked' by other list members is actually more intimidating than being 'spanked' by a moderator, because it feels more personal. Having some possibilities for action by a moderator in extreme cases, may actually reduce some people's nervousness about posting. Ann In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Diane Purkiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > > > > I would also argue strenuously for the permeability of the 'topic' we > discuss. At bottom, it's books, and talking about books can lead almost > anywhere - to cooking or religion or showjumping or very personal > histories - and all those thigns can eb relevant to books and > illuminating about them. I fear - and it may be irrational - that this > admin rule may lead to self-censorship; people may so dislike the spank > that they don't dare bring up politics or history or religion. And I > for one love the way we can discuss hairwashing one week and Bush the > next, with an in-depth reading of Trease's politics sandwiched between. > > I think all I'm really saying is that I love GO as it is. And I don't > want it to change. > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
Quoting Marcia McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I haven't read Wintle's Wonders since I first read it as a child. I love > Noel Streatfeild but even when I'm have an NS binge I get to Wintle's > Wonders and think oh no, that's the one with the awful bit about the > birthday chair. I have almost no recollection of the story but there must > have been something that upset me when I was young. I had the same sort of > > reaction to Autumn Term for years until all the discussion on Girls Own > about AF got me to give her another try. I think it's odd that I can almost > > totally forget a story and yet still remember that I found it distressing in > > some way. I only read Wintle's Wonders as an adult and liked it up until the last chapter when Rachel suddenly becomes a fabulous dramatic actress. Which I hated because it seemed as if NS had spent the whole book saying that artistic talent wasn't everything and there were many different sorts of achievement (and kudos to her for letting Hilary do musical comedy. I'm sure Lorna Hill would have been horrified) and then in the last chapter she says that really Rachel has the most important talent of all. I wanted her to be like Petrova or Myra and good at something else or just be a nice person with no particular talents. But if I'd been a child, maybe I would have gone with the fantasy more. Liekwise I enjoyed When the Siren Wailed as a child (the cliches about evacuees weren't cliches to me and I didn't notice any snobbery, just an interesting account of a situation I had only come across in the tv Carrie's War but much more grim). But people who read it as an adult seem to hate it. On another note, what did NS have against the name Dulcie ?. As well as the WW one, there are 2 villainous Dulcies in Susan Scarlett novels (Babbacombes and Poppies for England. But there might be more in ones I haven't read). Presumably it is meant to sound cheap and vulgar (did it suddenly become popular in the 1930s ?) but it's an odd repetition because she's usually quite scrupulous about not repeating names. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
I haven't read Wintle's Wonders since I first read it as a child. I love Noel Streatfeild but even when I'm have an NS binge I get to Wintle's Wonders and think oh no, that's the one with the awful bit about the birthday chair. I have almost no recollection of the story but there must have been something that upset me when I was young. I had the same sort of reaction to Autumn Term for years until all the discussion on Girls Own about AF got me to give her another try. I think it's odd that I can almost totally forget a story and yet still remember that I found it distressing in some way. Marcia -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >No, its the last resort, Diane. For use very sparingly, and only when >admin requests have been not taken seriously. I know how aggravating that must be, Helen, and of course I trust you. But although I don't want to be the Nita Tomlinson of GO or act as if I'm in That Term At St Faith's, but I really dislike this whole idea, and still feel at liberty to say so. A Miltonist at heart (I discover this to my own surprise) I cannot praise a fugitive and cloistered virtue, I fear. It seems to be that the recent debate on the US elections, though vitriolic, was highly instructive. I for one made an effort to take it to email, and have yet to hear from the person I contacted. Presumably she was only interested in public debate. Those not interested have only to click 'delete' and the offensive emails vanish. I would also argue strenuously for the permeability of the 'topic' we discuss. At bottom, it's books, and talking about books can lead almost anywhere - to cooking or religion or showjumping or very personal histories - and all those thigns can eb relevant to books and illuminating about them. I fear - and it may be irrational - that this admin rule may lead to self-censorship; people may so dislike the spank that they don't dare bring up politics or history or religion. And I for one love the way we can discuss hairwashing one week and Bush the next, with an in-depth reading of Trease's politics sandwiched between. I think all I'm really saying is that I love GO as it is. And I don't want it to change. There. I've said my say. And that's what it's all about. -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] free to good home CS books
Don't get too excited though folks they're really not thrilling. Was about to throw them out but thought i'd offer first. CS and Barbara, 1967 holding together but ripped spine Peggy of the CS 1967, all pages there but its coming apart quite badly CS and Richenda 1984, about the same as Peggy, only held together with sticky tape. I'll even pay for postage within Australia if anyone wants 'em. Cheers, Kathy -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
