makes sense.
You are confusing two things. Marxists back colonial resistance to
imperialism, but he never would have backed such a government against
its own people.
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Anybody who cares to examine the facts knows that Stalin's Great
Patriotic War was not waged with internationalist principles and the
official policy of the USSR unleashed a war against German civilians.
The terror was imposed with the institutionally sanctioned mass rape
of German females
I'm not sure that's true and I've always been troubled by this Monday morning
quarterback left sectarian outlook because it focuses so much on the
Stalinists and the Left, thereby unwittingly shifting the onus away from the
fascists. Look, say someone negligently leaves their door unlocked
Again, I think that's overstated. I think shifting global conditions were the
cause of the revolutionary upsurge ebbing, particularly the end of the Great
War which I don't think any correct-grandiose or not-program or personalities
of generalship would have overcome. Obviously the Comintern
Yeah, I wouldn't buy into the fairy tale your interlocutor put out about how
charitable the Soviets were in their intentions for Germany. A little naive.
The Tin Drum I think pretty much describes the tenor of those times.
Nonetheless, as I've always thought since childhood, the cause of
Thank you!
A rough translation of the content:
This is a description of what leadership of the Red Army did against rapes.
It says that the leadership first tried to stop the rape of German women.
But with little success. Then since early autumn 1945 the punishment could
take an arrest of
No dude, that's not a defense that is very helpful as it assumes that this
happened and then makes excuses for it. Moreover, it is a slap in the face to
the millions of soviet soldiers and partisans who didn't do things like that.
I'm not sure what your experiences in war or military life
Surely and was not patriotic rhetoric used by the Communards in 1871 as it
related to the Prussians and the Versailles regime?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:37:32 +0300
From: dgn.g...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Rape is not necessarily a consequence of war
To: t...@hotmail.com
The
these talking heads expound on Leon Trotsky at the Hoover Institution:
http://fora.tv/2009/07/28/Uncommon_Knowledge_Christopher_Hitchens_Robert_Service
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Hey, I resemble that commentary-as Curly would say-having just taken up the
sport last year. For what its worth my golfing buddy is a working class guy
who lays carpets and we play on 9 hole courses that charge 14-20 bucks. It's
about the only exercise I get anymore walking the course. What
Yeah, I remember that weekend. I was a 16 year old high school student and
some of my acquaintances went up the road from the DC area to Woodstock which I
remember being discussed before as this concert in upstate NY, with Woodstock
being a label applied after the fact. It was going to cost
Yeah and of course Marcuse-and I don't mean this as an attack on anyone
here-talked about these polemics and how in the context of the 60s they
represented an expression of the conservative outlook of the industrial
proletariat and orthodox marxism against radical students, hippies and
You're kidding, who could forget Dick Nixon?
Coming back to Woodstock -- how many people dreaming of Woodstock
and re-hearing its Music can tell who was POTUS then?
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt, Germany
No, but anyone who was old enough to have been at Woodstock will remember Nixon
and the Vietnam War.
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well, some of us knew him as Tricky Dick
BTW, asked for it, I would have answered that Lyndon B. Johnson had been
POTUS during the time of the Woodstock festival. I would have to research
papers to verify... But if it shall be Richard Nixon, so be it. It is not
important.
BTW, I could
and you've got to be a devotee of 'post-modern' dime novels to use CIA like
lingolike POTUS.
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Yeah, I mean, let's use words in their commonly understood meaning,
particularly loaded terms like this one, and not waste time with obscurantist
pedantry that isolates us from the real political struggles that the use of
these terms reflects.
Actually that's Joseph Hansen whose 1962 screed Cuba: The Acid Test in
defense of the Cuban Revolution against sectarian critics is what got them
going against him with these wild fabrications worthy of Stalin and the Moscow
Trials.
Today's New York Times has a review of a bio of this guy, whom I had never
heard of, which compares the posthumous snitch controversy over him to the
Dreyfus affair given the polarization over this issue that has arisen in
Italian society. The reviewer's conclusion is that while he was an
Thank you! we don't need to have this become another apst.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:48:53 -0400
From: l...@panix.com
Subject: [Marxism] Moderator's note
To: t...@hotmail.com
Greg Butler has been unsubbed.
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Look, you still don't get it, these Healyite provacateurs SUED the SWP in the
US courts in the 1980s around these trumped up allegations causing that party
to spend tens of thousands of dollars in court and attorneys fees fighting it.
Maybe if you knew about this you'd realize that an
Look we do need to move on and I don't have time for along winded and
condescending lecture from you about the bona fides of Workers World and PSL
which I accept. No, this was not a trivial or petty squabble thing to those
of us involved with it and was deadly serious and protracted fight.
seriously, I mean, for example, what are securitized mortgages? how does your
mortgage get bundled and sold and traded en masse with others? For years we
heard about derivatives without ever hearing-as with hedge funds any
explanation of what they exactly were-aside from glib comments of
Well, Lt. Calley apologized for the MyLai massacre, nothing yet from the US
government about the war in general. As to MyLai where 500 unarmed men women
and children were gunned down, at least one story has it that the order came
from Abrams to liquidate Son My 4 as MyLai was also known.
Reminds me of the cover of Fortune a few years back showing a raging storm and
wave poised to hit shore with the article's theme being how capitalism always
fluctuates and is inherently unstable with the fortunes of any particular
company never being secure or predictable. I don't know that
meaning? how does this differ from financial and cost accounting?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:51:28 -0400
From: theguavat...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Marxism] K2 study guide
To: t...@hotmail.com
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM, S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.netwrote:
In fact
Ya know, this whole discussion to me is yet another reflection of the ossified
in-group Talmudic view of certain Marxists who conceit themselves with the
notion that nobody but them knows anything about economics and therefore the
sine quo non is studying the works of a grand old man of the
Railroads in their inception and throughout their
consolidation give us an early object lesson in the uses of fictitious
capital.-sartesianAn entertaining take on this history, worthy of HBO's
Deadwood are some recent biographies of Jay Gould and The Commodore
Vanderbilt. Below is a review I
Yeah, his brother Bobby was counsel for Joe McCarthy in the 50s.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:28:28 -0700
From: davidrai...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Marxism] Teddy
To: t...@hotmail.com
Anyone know of any reliable exposes of Kennedy's history? I could use some
ammunition with the Kennedy
Well, at least Socialist Action and Jeff Mackler are involved in the anti-war
struggle to the extent that they would earn the public animosity of Cockburn, a
nationally known columnist, a fact that by itself merits respect from those of
us who might not have been in SF during this particular
I once saw a photo of August Blanqui that eerily reminded me of Brown.
John Brown had been in Europe in the wake of the
1848-49 revolutions. And Hinton was always convinced that he had some
direct ties to anticapitalist radicals there.
ML
Why do you say that? Clearly one can have differences with their tactics and
strategy, but to say they were not a leftist group or were not to the left of
Peron seems dubious and sectarian. Moreover, why then did the Peron regime and
its successors do so much to repress and kill them?
What about the ERP? Wikipedia has an article on them that I think includes
links to YouTube stuff on them in Spanish. they were at the heart of a heated
faction fight within the trotskyist movement back in the 70s even though had
summarily split from that at the time. While they were
Yes, they openly and contemptuously repudiated trotskyism in favor of their
version of Guevaraism The view you espouse I think was that of Nahuel Moreno
and his faction of the PRT, a distinction the Wiki article on the PRT missed.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:14:47 -0300
From: nmg...@gmail.com
The wisest minds the New York Times could assemble are parsing the above
question with comments from the public invited. Go weigh in at:
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/what-is-socialism-in-2009/
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I appreciate where David is coming from but I think here he is giving the Devil
more than his due. An uncle of mine was in the Marines in WW2 out there and
was by no means a flaming radical, but told us that he was always troubled by
the Australian planters he ran into out there and the way
a good fictional scenario of the legacy of this outcome is the movie
Fatherlandabout a super-power summit between Hitler, who is turning 75 and
President Kennedy in Berlin in 1964. President Joseph Kennedy that is. (who
not only approved the 1938 Munichdeal but who was actually one of its
For what its worth, a felony criminal conviction by itself proves up a civil
case based on the same conduct.
From: ffeld...@bellatlantic.net
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 05:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Marxism] Sexual Assault
To: t...@hotmail.com
If the lawyer thinks you have a good case bring a civil
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:09:09 +0200
From: d.koech...@wanadoo.fr
Subject: [Marxism] crime
To: t...@hotmail.com
Are you sure that was all that Mao was about? Didn't he and the CCP have some
involvement in the epochal social revolution that occurred in China in the last
century? Just seems
the idea is that there are broader issues involved with crime that go beyond an
individual victim's wishes. Thus her view should be considered but is not
necessarily dispositive. We see this in domestic violence cases a lot.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:23:35 -0700
From:
right and this hyper-correct argument gets twisted even more by sectarians when
it is directed at movements of the oppressed or movements objectively in
support of them. Thus some, instead of showing solidarity, insolently ranted
and raved at Quakers protesting the Christmas bombing of
because of what, his comments on Polanski? Otherwise the interview is the same
old left-liberal he's always been.
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Well, I didn't see any of that other stuff in the the article you linked us to.
I haven't ever heard him speak about the Chinese, however I do recall his
article about McVeigh in Vanity Fair written when the guy was a condemned man
which I think focused on the civil liberties aspects of that
This is all well and good but I'm wondering why I no longer receive posts from
these two worthies and others in my hotmail account? I look in the junk folder
and they're not there either. I retrieved these two posts from the last 100
messages site.
S.Artesian wrote:
Yeah, Vidal
Black Panther Party Program courtesy of Dave W. and the MIA:
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm
so there was a lot more to it than off the pigs just as the Bolshevik
Revolution included a lot of vulgar rhetoric not included in Trotsky's book.
many thanks to the brother from:
www.route-one.org
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:02:21 -0500
From: rjacobs3...@charter.net
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Panthers
The Panthers were more than gun fetishists. They understood the
doctrine of self-defense and carried guns during their copwatch drives
Louis: You were in the 8th grade in 1968, weren't you, Ron? I marvel at your
ability to educate me about the Panthers.
Actually Ron was from the University of Maryland campus that I attended
from1971-1976 but was several years older being from among those activists that
had been in SDS. More
Gee, so what about Angela Davis and her trial in Marin County. C'mon.
From: marvgand...@videotron.ca
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:16:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Marxism] New Book on Fred Hampton Assasination
To: t...@hotmail.com
Tom Cod writes:
I note the CP, for all its faults, had
And what struck me was how in the process how little time was devoted to
exposing the crimes of Franco and fascism with the onus therefor being shifted
to the Stalinists, many of whom were victims of fascist repression, arguments
recycled and coopted constantly by neo-cons, ex-trot or not:
Here's a link to a youtube video where Service and self-proclaimed
post-Trotskyist Christopher Hitchens discuss Trotsky and Service's book
thereon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4v3y-zFW9A
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Yeah, and another thing in the actual CP program the last time I looked was a
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Well there was certainly more than three degrees of separation between Mao
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Thanks for clarifying this so promptly. I just gone done reading that
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My understanding is that peasant is simply a euro word for farmer, without
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Huh, I always thought the difference between peasant and farmer was a
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For those who don't know, that ancestor being the General Moltke who
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I tend to agree with artesian's take on this. The unification of Germany
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And how evolutionary was that? Actually, as artesian pointed out, that
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Actually, I don't have pretensions of speaking for anyone but myself. As
artesian
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That's why the Austrian Empire in this period was known as a prison house
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Or as Dr. Johnson put it at the time, isn't it ironic that the loudest
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To sum up my view on this, all sorts of things can be compared by analogy,
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I would have to respestfully disagree with this to some extent as it
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Shane, I'm not an expert on ancient history, but its seems I recall the
Temple
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below is a link to a review in the latest California Lawyer magazine article
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A cousin of mine brought this to my attention on Facebook, a story that is
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Yes, but wasn't the IWW an expression of the tendency in the workers
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Here's the anarchists response to that as part of a 15 round Ali-Frazier
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Yes, indeed, let's never forget Sacco Vanzetti.
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Fair enough, no one I know here is going to disparage worthies like Fred
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Exactly so, knee jerk thinking for sure. Without re-opening a whole can of
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Wait a second, didn't French SP leader Jaures oppose the war and get
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It's also a case that represents a frontal assault on the attorney-client
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Yeah, but hey, what do you want the guys from the National Right to Work
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brings to mind the old story related by Eskimos about how the fine English
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