[MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK (was: Heresy)
on 10/23/06 2:48 PM, Jeff Zedic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again I have to ask, Why are these cars not here? Not that it matters to me anymore as I'm moving to the UK and will soon have my pick of all the wonderful diesels there!! If it's not too personal, what part of the Big Smoke you headed for, and whaddya plan to be doing? Mac Grew up in Bromley
[MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
on 10/23/06 9:16 AM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or the underlying belief by many on this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is].
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Jim Cathey wrote: On-topic (sort of), it has five gears. Can't see much point to fifth, though. It may be that the gear ratios are wrong for this engine/differential combination. (I kept the original diff, the one that went with the tranny is still on the parts car.) I'm not entirely sure what's on the parts car (the parts car is a 2.3, isn't it?) but I think the 2.5 auto came with a 3.07, same as my 300SD. Does your car do about 2000-2100 at 60 in 5th? Seems like 5th would be a nice gear at 70-80 mph, but not useable at 55. Your donor car might have a 3.27 in it. Here's a Marshall quote for you: The 717.411 (GL 68/20 B-5) transmission used in the 190E has slightly different gearing than the 717.410 (GL 68/20 A-5) used in the 190D (3.91, 2.32, 1.42, 1.00, 0.78 for the 717.411 vs 4.23, 2.36, 1.49, 1.00, 0.84 for the 717.410). The 717.410 is PERFECT for the 190D 2.2 in MY opinion (less ideal for the 190D 2.0 however) and the 717.411 would not be as nice.
Re: [MBZ] 190D gears was HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Mitch Haley wrote: Here's a Marshall quote for you: Well, here's another one: The manual 201.029 (190E 2.6 manual, US version) had a 3.27 rear (at least in the late '80s - I don't have data on '90s 201s). Other 201s with manual 5 speed transmissions had 3.07, 3.23 and 3.42 rears. All of these cars (unlike the 190E-16V with 1.00:1 5ths) had 5th gear ratios of between 0.84:1 and 0.78:1. I'm guessing that 3.42 ratio was either in the 2.2 diesel or 2.3 gasser.
[MBZ] Bundts for sale
4 bundt cake wheels. Good condition. Nice paint. No damage. Make offer.
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Brian, the antifreeze debate was nearly as feisty as the oil debate on this list. But a friend who owned a Saab dealership for 30+ years told me that he saw loads of them needing head gaskets- and almost every time they had the green stuff. I'm a cheap ass and I payed for the stuff when I had the 900S. If we didn't just have a baby I would buy another 900S 2 door. I really like them. Search the saabnet archives for info related to the antifreeze. I remember that the consensus was to use the orig. Saab or MB stuff. I wish I had enough background in chemistry to tell you why the green stuff kills the head gaskets. Best of luck! John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: John, Yup - I'm on the Saab List, but in digest mode. I am real curious though: I had all but written off that list (granted, I'm in digest mode on it) because all it seemed to consist of was some recent article on some new Saab model which was emailed to me every few weeks. Nothing relevant to me at all. BUT I must say that I recently posted a question and I got, in my digest, a couple of direct answers. So it's almost like they only send me the direct responses to my questions. - ?? Maybe I should get off Digest mode and onto Saablist Now as they call it. I want a whole lot more talk to paruse and learn from. Brian John wrote: You are on saabnet.com no? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Brian, where are you? I have 2 gallons of the Saab antifreeze left from my Saab days. Fat chance you're in the NE. John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Source for Saab Parts
If Rusty doesn't, I had very good luck with eeuroparts.com Only if Rusty doesn't John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: Rusty, you carry Saab parts? Specifically, for a 1988 Saab 900S? If not you, who?
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
I'll probably start out in the slums of Shepperton or Egham just outside of town but still easily accessible. I've about had enough of big city life for now but perhaps not having so much stuff will change my mind on that. Have a girlfriend in East Acton that may work into something more permanent. (Met her in Venice recently) As for work, I'll be ok for a decade or two moneywise but might continue being an entertainer over there...just with a different style of show. If things go to hell, I'll ship myself to France or French Africa. Love it!! Looking forward to having Paris 90 minutes away for those weekends with nothing to do!! Jeff Zedic Toronto/London/Belfast
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says something that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are supposed to sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and 1 starts in first. So I replied: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 Chassis manual making mention of 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown ie, second gear starts. Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and saying they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but start in first. Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span of two sentences? And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states 300SD's start in second. Then Mike Canfeild decided to tell me I'm wrong, by saying that non-turbos start in second gear. Interesting - what did I say to contradict that? Then Kaleb fesses up to 116's starting in 2nd. H So I make an effort to provide some actual facts behind what I, and EVERYONE ELSE has been saying. I don't see anyone else who has made the effort to post anything remotely official, other than saying that I am wrong, then backing it up evidence that furthers my point. There has yet to be a single post from anyone other than Kaleb giving any reasons for my being wrong - most people agree with me. But everyone says I'm wrong because Kaleb does. You guys have spent too much time on eBay, and now its you guys that are smoking the crack. This is just ridiculous, Mike On 10/23/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/23/06 9:16 AM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or the underlying belief by many on this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is].
Re: [MBZ] help with SML CD
It will run on any version reader, but only from ieflashck.html and - thank you - matrix.html. It will not let me print only with AR 5.0. It auto-runs just fine on my laptop. I guess it's winders, like Jim said, too much of it. Time to do the annual eradication and start over with a clean slate. On 10/23/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why aren't you just double clicking on matrix.exe? That will bring up the main menu and away you go s long as acrobat and flash are installed already. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
I'm in need of the Saab coolant! Anyone? Help? On 10/23/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, where are you? I have 2 gallons of the Saab antifreeze left from my Saab days. Fat chance you're in the NE. John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
didn't jimmy buffett write a song about a guy doing something like this? On 10/23/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll probably start out in the slums of Shepperton or Egham just outside of town but still easily accessible. I've about had enough of big city life for now but perhaps not having so much stuff will change my mind on that. Have a girlfriend in East Acton that may work into something more permanent. (Met her in Venice recently) As for work, I'll be ok for a decade or two moneywise but might continue being an entertainer over there...just with a different style of show. If things go to hell, I'll ship myself to France or French Africa. Love it!! Looking forward to having Paris 90 minutes away for those weekends with nothing to do!! Jeff Zedic Toronto/London/Belfast ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] Columbus 300D $2200
http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/224694420.html -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 1966 200D, 110 Chassis
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well heck, I was just hearing on the radio today how the prius I think is rated at 48mpg city, and 30 something highway. Also, take into account there is no official govt testing to rate hybrids so they go by what the car maker tells them. Are you sure about that? I thought they went through the same EPA drive cycle as other cars. The problem is the EPA drive cycle tends to play to the hybrids' strengths, resulting in inflated mileage numbers. The EPA is in the process of revising the drive cycle test to more accurately reflect modern driving conditions -- among other things, to take into account higher freeway speeds and air conditioner use.
Re: [MBZ] I have heat now, WAS: Re: Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat
Levi Smith wrote: Weird, I must have been lucky. Mine were no problem at all and I definitely used more than finger pressure to tighten them... I suspect mine were corroded down to little necks or something.
[MBZ] so is everyone ready to admit?
that the giants are a really good football team? or is more proof necessary?
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Right - it does not specify the gears in a neat table - but if you look at page 41 -- yes, I quoted from that same manual: I'll quote from page 41 of the factory original owners manual (not a copy or reprint) from my last 1976 300D (115 chassis, pre turbo), part no. 115 584 12 97 - D Drive. All gears are available. 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown. S Slope. Shifting up to 3rd gear only. 1st gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown. L Low. Shifting up to 2nd gear only. The vehicle starts out in 1st gear. For driving on steep grades, trailer operation in mountainous areas and very slow bumper to bumper driving with frequent stops. Independent of the accelerator position, 1st gear is available for a wider speed range. I believe that 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown. implies that the car does not start from a dead stop in 1st gear, unless it is in L, or the accelerator has been depressed enough to trigger the kickdown switch. On 10/23/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original owners manual in the glovebox does not say (so far as I can tell on a quick perusal in any event) how many gears my 76 300D has. All it really says is that it is an automatic transmission (which of course is fairly obvious even to the uninitiated). The manual is a combined version intended for the 240 and 300 and it does give some info about the 240 manual but next to nothing about the automatic. I guess they just intend one to push on the go pedal. Randy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Remember - I quoted from the manual for 115 chassis 300D, 1975 to 1976
- no turbo.
The alldata pages did not differenciate enough between variations to
be useful. For instance, it did not differenciate between the three
speed early 107 cars ('72 to '80) and the later four speed cars ('81
to '89).
So lets see - the only other semi-official post on the subject, OK Don's,
agrees with me.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives.
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
The data is for a particular set of years. I never said it was good for 107
cars, I said it was good for an 83 300CD. All data, at least my version,
doesn't go back before 82. I did say, TWICE, that early 4.5L V8's had 3
speeds.
Why is everyone so insistant that I'm wrong?
Mike
On 10/23/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember - I quoted from the manual for 115 chassis 300D, 1975 to 1976
- no turbo.
The alldata pages did not differenciate enough between variations to
be useful. For instance, it did not differenciate between the three
speed early 107 cars ('72 to '80) and the later four speed cars ('81
to '89).
So lets see - the only other semi-official post on the subject, OK
Don's,
agrees with me.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives.
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Perhaps no one is reading everything in detail - we're all responding to bits, not the whole. I read the alldata sheet by scanning to what I know on it, the 107, but didn't read the date range. It's also time to move on --- On 10/23/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The data is for a particular set of years. I never said it was good for 107 cars, I said it was good for an 83 300CD. All data, at least my version, doesn't go back before 82. I did say, TWICE, that early 4.5L V8's had 3 speeds. Why is everyone so insistant that I'm wrong? Mike -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] E300D idle off
I asked the folks on the MBCA forum about the issue and got a RTFM from Marshall. Anybody want to give better data? Idle is rough and I would like to know what to do to adjust it so that it idles smoother. With all the knowledge around here, somebody must know what I can do -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff
With my new-to-me 1988 Saab 900S, I'll be needing the Bentley book, radiator hoses, clamps, oil, air, and fuel (?) filters, etc. Know anyone who got rid of an old Saab 900 and has extra parts lying around? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
There are no trans manuals, they are on microfiche. That info is also in the training tapes, which I happen to own. Luther wrote: Neither the 123 or 126 manuals say anything about first or second gear start. http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/OM/OM-50.pdf http://mb.braingears.com/126_DISC2/program/OM/OM-59.pdf Maybe the actual transmission manuals (rare as Kaleb buying a new car) would say something for sure. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] ADMIN, Everyone read re:HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
This thread is officially over. Its has gone beyond the point of who is right and who is wrong. It has now come down to personal attacks by certain folks against others. Personal attacks are NOT tolerated at all. Everyone knows the difference between a kidding now and then and attacking a fellow list member. It stops now. Anyone continuing this discussion will be put on immediate moderation status. If they continue posting along these lines, removal from the list will result. If you have any questions, think before you post. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
on 10/23/06 8:09 PM, Jeff Zedic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking forward to having Paris 90 minutes away for those weekends with nothing to do!! You CAD, you ;-). Did you know they have a single-day return special on the Chunnel Train, when I was there (more than a few years back, I have to admit), you could leave about 7 a.m. Saturday and return at 11:30 p.m. for something like $70 Cdn. Might only be for weekends. Anyway, now they have all those ridiculous airfares over in Yurrup, you could probably go to Barcelona for a weekend for $120 or something. Enjoy it. Mac
Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine
Ahhh, the coats machine is so nice to have around :) Harry Watkins wrote: Welcome to the big show Fred. I have the HF machine and its all you say it is (or is not) but I still get a lot of satisfaction through doing it myself instead of wondering what was done at the tire shop. I am confused about the hold down star being used as you break the bead. My bead breaker is used with the wheel on the floor, maybe your machine is another model. Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
I went to Venice for $275!!
[MBZ] another possibility (78 or is it a 79? 300D)
Hello fellow MB enthusiasts. I found an ad for a fixer 78 or 79 300D (it says both in the ad). Supposedly, it slips when shifting from second to third. The guy bought it thinking it was an easy fix with the vacuum modulation, but since it was a 722.118 tranny, he can't fix it because it doesn't have a modulator. He must not have dealt with one of these control rod trannies yet. As I understand it, this Can be fixed by either adjusting the rod or changing the bushing at the AT end (randy B). I remember the situation a while back with his '76 300D. I'm thinking about getting a good look at the car tomorrow to see if it's worth taking a chance on. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, no MB yet
Re: [MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff
I was about to say there is no such thing as lame Saab stuff, but then I saw you are driving a 900. Need to move back a couple of decades and get a 2 cycle Saab tank. Four speed on the column, grasping for 35 mph as you shift into 4th. Ah, those were the good old days. On 10/23/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my new-to-me 1988 Saab 900S, I'll be needing the Bentley book, radiator hoses, clamps, oil, air, and fuel (?) filters, etc. Know anyone who got rid of an old Saab 900 and has extra parts lying around? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff
35mph in 4th? Sheesh, was this the 40's? :) On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:29:03 -0500, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was about to say there is no such thing as lame Saab stuff, but then I saw you are driving a 900. Need to move back a couple of decades and get a 2 cycle Saab tank. Four speed on the column, grasping for 35 mph as you shift into 4th. Ah, those were the good old days. On 10/23/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my new-to-me 1988 Saab 900S, I'll be needing the Bentley book, radiator hoses, clamps, oil, air, and fuel (?) filters, etc. Know anyone who got rid of an old Saab 900 and has extra parts lying around? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
[MBZ] new sig line
damn, it's addicting. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine
the Habbah Freight manual machine is a poor fit. The bead breaker is a joke, ...I will NOT be buying one! I'm holding out for a Coats. My current bead breaker was made by Mercedes: the Unimog! (OK, technically probably by HIAB or FOCO, since it's part of the crane package.) I can mount tires by hand with the spoons, but I may get one of their cheapie balancers. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff
35mph in 4th? Sheesh, was this the 40's? :) Maybe those were Imperial miles per hour? :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
I'm not entirely sure what's on the parts car (the parts car is a 2.3, isn't it?) but I think the 2.5 auto came with a 3.07, same as my 300SD. Does your It's a 1984 190D 2.2, formerly with stickshift. The driver (and its differential) is a 1986 190D 2.5, formerly with an automatic. car do about 2000-2100 at 60 in 5th? Seems like 5th would be a nice gear at 70-80 mph, but not useable at 55. Your donor car might have a 3.27 in it. The car just doesn't feel quite right in the gearing department. I think a slightly shorter rear end ratio might do it some good. IIRC, 70MPH in fifth is around 2800-2900 RPM. (I rarely get it up that far, in part because the out-of-balance tires get un-fun up there.) Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. Yes, it has brand new motor and transmission mounts. Supposedly sized (sez Rusty) for the 2.5l with manual, and different than what either car used before. The car's also much too easy to get into a forward-backward throttle oscillation if you blow a shift. I'm not really enjoying it yet, except for the (great) mileage. Here's a Marshall quote for you: The 717.411 (GL 68/20 B-5) transmission used in the 190E has slightly different gearing than the 717.410 (GL 68/20 A-5) used in the 190D (3.91, 2.32, 1.42, 1.00, 0.78 for the 717.411 vs 4.23, 2.36, 1.49, 1.00, 0.84 for the 717.410). The 717.410 is PERFECT for the 190D 2.2 in MY opinion (less ideal for the 190D 2.0 however) and the 717.411 would not be as nice. Well, here's another one: The manual 201.029 (190E 2.6 manual, US version) had a 3.27 rear (at least in the late '80s - I don't have data on '90s 201s). Other 201s with manual 5 speed transmissions had 3.07, 3.23 and 3.42 rears. All of these cars (unlike the 190E-16V with 1.00:1 5ths) had 5th gear ratios of between 0.84:1 and 0.78:1. I'm guessing that 3.42 ratio was either in the 2.2 diesel or 2.3 gasser. More info, dunno quite what to make of it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D ACC relay
In a message dated 10/22/2006 7:36:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Need help finding a climate control relay. Looking for the electronic switching unit for blower control. See the *.pdf on disk 2 of 123 83-600a page 9 or the attached *.jpg. Luther, I have two or three of them. $30 each, plus $3.85 priority mail. As removed from wrecks, condition unknown. Would for sure make good core fodder. If you have a specific part number I would try to match it. These were used in some models instead of the porcupine type blower speed control. I take PayPal and it could go out tomorrow. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine
Kaleb, Rub it in a little whydoncha? Coatless in Lynn Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel's in my blud. (and you can see where most of it gets in!) At 11:21 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote: Ahhh, the coats machine is so nice to have around :) Harry Watkins wrote:
[MBZ] OT. Saab 95/96
Hey! Don't knock those old two strokes. I had a 96 Monte Carlo and it would spin tyres in first and second topping out at about 80mph, not bad for 850cc 3 cyl. Also had a 95 wagon, died when I hit a city bus in the snow one winter. The 96 rusted in half. Fred Moir MBZ Diesel worshipper and reformed gasoline addict
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
Jim Cathey wrote: Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. I'm guessing that the timer is not in action at that speed. Most of the timers seem to hit full advance somewhere around 2000 rpm, I wouldn't want to cruise below 2200.
Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine
hahahahahahaha, sorry Frederick W Moir wrote: Kaleb, Rub it in a little whydoncha? Coatless in Lynn Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel's in my blud. (and you can see where most of it gets in!) -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
*sigh* Did you read your own message? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:26 -0400 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says something that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are supposed to sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and 1 starts in first. So I replied: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. - '83 300D is turbo? I'm not sure if it could be either or not. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 Chassis manual making mention of 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown ie, second gear starts. -115 300D ISN'T a turbo. Besides which Kaleb was quite specific saying 123 and 126. Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and saying they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but start in first. Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span of two sentences? -Uhh no, he said they start in first. There was plenty of discussion on why they sit in second. And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states 300SD's start in second. -Again thats a 116, not the 123 and 126 Kaleb referenced above. As I said in my other message I don't much care what gear they start in. My problem is that it seems like you've somehow taken this as a personal affront and decided that because you disagree with someone you can call them names and generally act like you're 12. Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. You have to tell us your qualifications. I don't care who you are you are capable of making mistakes. If you're right thats terrific but if you can't prove you're right you might as well be wrong. -Curt - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 24 13:37:29 2006 Received: from web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.42]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcMTA-00078J-DG for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:37:28 + Received: (qmail 41975 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2006 13:37:23 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:37:23 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I have heat now, WAS: Re: B! It's Cold and I have no heat X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:37:29 - Actually I went through this on my '81 300TD. Had a brand new thermostat housing but my Indy didn't change the coolant so the bars leaks siezed the new thermostat... When I replaced the thermostat I broke a bolt. I was using a 1/4 ratchet and couldn't believe I'd broken them as the wrench was far too small to put any real pressure on. I managed to spin the broken bit out through the open end of the hole
Re: [MBZ] Was People With Old VWs Have Lost Their Minds, now MB Brakes
Oh, I have no problem with Mercedes but I have friends family who have sworn to never buy another because the lowest service (including brakes) they paid was $550.00. I understand that Mercedes does a great job that regular service is the key but that does not keep them from buying a Lexus the next time around. I'm a great Mercedes fan will always drive one but Mercedes needs to learn a few lessons from the competition Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was People With Old VWs Have Lost Their Minds, now MB Brakes Yeah, I suppose, but brake jobs with no rotor change on a benz take less than one hour labor, usually done with an oil change, so they shouldn't be paying $550! Besides, those are wonderful brakes! A matter of perception, I believe, not actual trouble. Newer Japanese cars will go much longer -- a friend of mine had 120,000 miles on his Avalon before it got T-boned and totaled and still had the original brake pads! Peter
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
I tried to really pay attention today, at 55mph in 4th I'm at about 2600-2700. As Mitch said 5th is of no use at that speed unless you're going downhill with a tailwind. 70mph in 5th is about 3000. The engine does seem happiest around 2500-3000. No low end grunt at all, I usually wind it out a bit as I ease the clutch out to get moving. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:07:54 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190 gears To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim Cathey wrote: Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. I'm guessing that the timer is not in action at that speed. Most of the timers seem to hit full advance somewhere around 2000 rpm, I wouldn't want to cruise below 2200. - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 24 14:19:24 2006 Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.241.34]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcN7j-0008S4-Li for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:24 + Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:19:18 -0400 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id eEK11V00c1raWR8000 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:19:02 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:19:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:24 - Have a ball, Jeff. Think of us poor tied-down-with-families-and-mindnumbing-obligations fellers frequently. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK I'll probably start out in the slums of Shepperton or Egham just outside of town but still easily accessible. I've about had enough of big city life for now but perhaps not having so much stuff will change my mind on that. Have a girlfriend in East Acton that may work into something more permanent. (Met her in Venice recently) As for work, I'll be ok for a decade or two moneywise but might continue being an entertainer over there...just with a different style of show. If things go to hell, I'll ship myself to France or French Africa. Love it!! Looking forward to having Paris 90 minutes away for those weekends with nothing to do!! Jeff Zedic Toronto/London/Belfast ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?
The 79 240D we rescued from the rust demon / crusher is having trouble coping with the suddenly cold Pa fall. Specifically, it's not starting well. Last weekend my son and I adjusted the valves and I think we improved things a bit there. Last night I turned my attention back to the glow plug system and to my dismay, I found that it is indeed an old loop style series system. (Verified by pulling a plug to make doubly sure.) I chatted with Rusty this morning and found out that, unfortunately, the Bosch conversion kits are unavailable (backordered). The replacement pencil plugs are available however. So I'm trying figure out what my options are for a conversion without the kit. I have the guts of the glow system from my deceased 82 300D (including the control module and wires) if that's worth anything. Any advice from some of our more handy list members (Jim Cathey?) greatly appreciated. I really don't want my son to have to wrestle and pray each time he tries to get the car started after school.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 280k mi 79 240D 157k mi
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
So aside from that, what makes you think you know anything? --R (a former Beaver -- sec tan cos sin 3.14159) Michael Hall wrote: On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E300D idle off
I am just guessing here, but if the EGR is active, you may have a lot of sud built up in the intake/resonator manifold. It is fairly easy to pull the intake pipe which will reveil the condition. On 10/23/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked the folks on the MBCA forum about the issue and got a RTFM from Marshall. Anybody want to give better data? Idle is rough and I would like to know what to do to adjust it so that it idles smoother. With all the knowledge around here, somebody must know what I can do -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] OT. Saab 95/96
I agree with Frederick, these were great cars. My mom drove a 1965 model 96 from 67 to 81. At that time, it was parked due to my dad's inability to aquire some brake parts (no internet). My Dad and Grandfather co-owned a Saab dealership in Albuquerque in 67 or so, and my dad aquired the 65 on a trade. We moved to North Dakota in 70, residing in a very rural (even for ND) area. In the winter, we had a little difficulty driving because of the narrowness of the track compared to the Pick-ups that were the prevalent vehicles in use on the roads (gravel). We once got stuck, and a nearby farmer came out to assist. He gave up and declared you must really be stuck, I can't even see the rear wheels spinning! Ours was no Monte Carlo, however, it could be driven in a spirited manner, and would hold it's own on the highway, leaving a vapor trail in blue, wherever we went. I would love to have another. Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD
Re: [MBZ] E300D idle off
Sud? or Soot? Intake body was cleaned recently with the change in glowplugs last spring. Fresh bypass hoses this summer and no buildup seen in four months time. Could I have put the intake thingy on wrong? On Oct 24, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I am just guessing here, but if the EGR is active, you may have a lot of sud built up in the intake/resonator manifold. It is fairly easy to pull the intake pipe which will reveil the condition. On 10/23/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked the folks on the MBCA forum about the issue and got a RTFM from Marshall. Anybody want to give better data? Idle is rough and I would like to know what to do to adjust it so that it idles smoother. With all the knowledge around here, somebody must know what I can do -- -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Source for Saab Parts
No way! I didn't know (or remember) that Rusty sold Saab parts. That's great - will be our first source. Brian On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.BuyEUROparts.com is Rusty's site for Saab parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Peterson Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Source for Saab Parts If Rusty doesn't, I had very good luck with eeuroparts.com Only if Rusty doesn't John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: Rusty, you carry Saab parts? Specifically, for a 1988 Saab 900S? If not you, who? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?
Electrically, I should be able to just daisy chain the wires from one plug to the next, but that's probably less than optimum. Any idea where I might source some nice, pre-crimped, stranded cables? ...Kevin LT Don said: You just need the plugs, not the whole kit. Get the four plugs from Rusty, replace the toaster-wires with real wires (thick ones), and disconnect the ground wire at the first glow plug. The old relay works just fine. On 10/24/06, Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 79 240D we rescued from the rust demon / crusher is having trouble coping with the suddenly cold Pa fall. Specifically, it's not starting well. Last weekend my son and I adjusted the valves and I think we improved things a bit there. Last night I turned my attention back to the glow plug system and to my dismay, I found that it is indeed an old loop style series system. (Verified by pulling a plug to make doubly sure.) I chatted with Rusty this morning and found out that, unfortunately, the Bosch conversion kits are unavailable (backordered). The replacement pencil plugs are available however. So I'm trying figure out what my options are for a conversion without the kit. I have the guts of the glow system from my deceased 82 300D (including the control module and wires) if that's worth anything. Any advice from some of our more handy list members (Jim Cathey?) greatly appreciated. I really don't want my son to have to wrestle and pray each time he tries to get the car started after school.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 280k mi 79 240D 157k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the advisor over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?
Back in my day we would have hooked up a push button. Then told him push the button in, count to 10 then start. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin J. Slater Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:43 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options? The 79 240D we rescued from the rust demon / crusher is having trouble coping with the suddenly cold Pa fall. Specifically, it's not starting well. Last weekend my son and I adjusted the valves and I think we improved things a bit there. Last night I turned my attention back to the glow plug system and to my dismay, I found that it is indeed an old loop style series system. (Verified by pulling a plug to make doubly sure.) I chatted with Rusty this morning and found out that, unfortunately, the Bosch conversion kits are unavailable (backordered). The replacement pencil plugs are available however. So I'm trying figure out what my options are for a conversion without the kit. I have the guts of the glow system from my deceased 82 300D (including the control module and wires) if that's worth anything. Any advice from some of our more handy list members (Jim Cathey?) greatly appreciated. I really don't want my son to have to wrestle and pray each time he tries to get the car started after school.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 280k mi 79 240D 157k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine
Currently I have found the best option is to take car to tire store. Actually I have found that the local Mercedes dealer is the best place to get alignment and tires balanced, other local shops have just screwed things up. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, HF Tyre Machine Ahhh, the coats machine is so nice to have around :) Harry Watkins wrote: Welcome to the big show Fred. I have the HF machine and its all you say it is (or is not) but I still get a lot of satisfaction through doing it myself instead of wondering what was done at the tire shop. I am confused about the hold down star being used as you break the bead. My bead breaker is used with the wheel on the floor, maybe your machine is another model. Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? A mixture of hard work and repressed anger.
[MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Not to get into this discussion or keep it going. Wouldn't it be easier to ask Mercedes the question about their transmissions instead of arguing about who was right? Maybe even refer to a manual of some sort to see whats what? Regarding the who's car starts in what gear, I recall Mercedes actually programmed the trannys on certain 300D and 300 Turbo Diesels in the mid 80's to start in second gear just to prevent the wheels from spinning on slippery surfaces. That I believe was what they did until traction control came out Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick *sigh* Did you read your own message? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:26 -0400 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says something that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are supposed to sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and 1 starts in first. So I replied: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. - '83 300D is turbo? I'm not sure if it could be either or not. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 Chassis manual making mention of 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown ie, second gear starts. -115 300D ISN'T a turbo. Besides which Kaleb was quite specific saying 123 and 126. Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and saying they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but start in first. Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span of two sentences? -Uhh no, he said they start in first. There was plenty of discussion on why they sit in second. And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states 300SD's start in second. -Again thats a 116, not the 123 and 126 Kaleb referenced above. As I said in my other message I don't much care what gear they start in. My problem is that it seems like you've somehow taken this as a personal affront and decided that because you disagree with someone you can call them names and generally act like you're 12. Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. You have to tell us your qualifications. I don't care who you are you are capable of making mistakes. If you're right thats terrific but if you can't prove you're right you might as well be wrong. -Curt - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] Source for Saab Parts
We also have http://www.BuyASIANparts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Source for Saab Parts No way! I didn't know (or remember) that Rusty sold Saab parts. That's great - will be our first source. Brian On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.BuyEUROparts.com is Rusty's site for Saab parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Peterson Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Source for Saab Parts If Rusty doesn't, I had very good luck with eeuroparts.com Only if Rusty doesn't John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: Rusty, you carry Saab parts? Specifically, for a 1988 Saab 900S? If not you, who? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
Qualifications include owning and driving an 84 300CD, 83 300SD and an 86 300SDL which all started in 1st gear after resting in 2nd when stopped. All my gasoline engined MB's started in 2nd gear except my 85 380SL which started in 1st gear and the owners manual verified that, which blows holes in the Alldata report. On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Look like a real nice clean shop, congrats. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the advisor over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
i once went to MIT, but security took me out quickly. do you sing rocky top in the shower? On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? A mixture of hard work and repressed anger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
My only qualifications are that I have been selling Mercedes parts to Dealers, garages and DIY'ers since September of 1976. I have a pretty good darned idea of the whole parts thing after 30 years. Not that I don't make mistakes mind you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was People With Old VWs Have Lost Their Minds, now MB Brakes
Lexus ain't saving anybody any money when it comes to service. My wife took her RX330 in for a wash and they noticed it was time for an oil change. $140 later, they hade changed the oil and looked over a few other things. Mercedes charges more than that? Told my wife I'd do it for half that from now on. She was not amused. When I mentioned to the service write later that that was absurd for an oil change, he mentioned that I was free to bring in my own oil, and not pay their $4.50/quart for dino oil I could get at Walmart for $1.29. Guess Lexus (and new MBs) are targetting a little different level of consumer than me... Gary Thompson 1995 Mercedes E320 2005 Lexus RX330 On 10/24/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I have no problem with Mercedes but I have friends family who have sworn to never buy another because the lowest service (including brakes) they paid was $550.00. I understand that Mercedes does a great job that regular service is the key but that does not keep them from buying a Lexus the next time around. I'm a great Mercedes fan will always drive one but Mercedes needs to learn a few lessons from the competition Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924
[MBZ] Travel bargains
I went to Venice for $275!!. From Mestre? RLE
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
i don't make mistakes On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only qualifications are that I have been selling Mercedes parts to Dealers, garages and DIY'ers since September of 1976. I have a pretty good darned idea of the whole parts thing after 30 years. Not that I don't make mistakes mind you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
my qualifications are that i'm really really fat, obnoxious, play online poker. mess with guns, um, and other odds and ends. i recently got a macintosh computer and enjoy messing with that. this doesn't qualify me for much, so i'm doomed to spend my days at bimby. do you sing rocky top in the shower? On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) and more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that?
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you sing rocky top in the shower? At least once day. Mike
[MBZ] 1972 220D
I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Or maybe he toasted the motor in between? Mac on 10/24/06 3:49 PM, kevin kraly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1982 240D For Sale
I've got a '82 240D with no reverse. Have tightened the band but still doesn't work. Showing 151,285 miles but suspect higher. Black with decent paint but drivers fender and door look to be repainted. Manual windows. Runs great in forward gears. Would like to get $500 but will consider any offer. Located in Knoxville, TN. Email if interested and I can send pics and more info. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN
Re: [MBZ] Columbus 300D $2200
Could be a good deal but the beige color is IMHO totally blecchh. On 10/23/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/224694420.html -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] so is everyone ready to admit?
I don't root for either team but especially dislike the Cowboys. Watching them LOSE on MNF- even to the Giants - was immensely gratifying. On 10/23/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that the giants are a really good football team? or is more proof necessary? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your know-it-all-never-wrong attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
who? me or the other idiot? On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your know-it-all-never-wrong attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
i farm all that sort of work out to my 9 year old On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR. On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) and more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your know-it-all-never-wrong attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member.
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
T'was a typo. In fact I ment it to be more like I don't care about your qualifications. In fact it still says that if you can read it with my inflection. As I've said consistantly I don't care about the arguement, I prefer manual shift cars anyway. It was your tone I took issue with. Now that you've settled down the last set of messages have been pleasant and amicable and I don't really have any more desire to post... As for qualifications, on this subject absolutely none. I had an '81 300TD but I have no idea what gear it started it, I sold it 3 years ago. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:39 -0400 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 24 20:46:05 2006 Received: from mail.sophiosoft.com ([207.97.195.46]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcT9x-0006V9-9G for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:46:05 + Received: from JANEPUTER ([72.17.141.247]) by mail.sophiosoft.com (Mail Server) with ASMTP id CES56100 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:46:00 -0400 From: Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600. In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 240D For Sale X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:46:06 - Man, why didn't you post this last week? I have a 240D Black parts car with sunroof for sale for $500.00. It has a brand new 4 speed transmission and clutch. It has all new suspension and shocks. These cars were meant for each other. I just gave it to Kaleb to pick up at the RustyQ. Darn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Duff Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 1982 240D For Sale I've got a '82 240D with no reverse. Have tightened the band but still doesn't work. Showing 151,285 miles but suspect higher. Black with decent paint but drivers fender and door look to be repainted. Manual windows. Runs great in forward gears. Would like to get $500 but will consider any offer. Located in Knoxville, TN. Email if interested and I can send pics and more info. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Geewhillikers I could get happily lost among all those loose 123 parts!! Hey Michael - my son's 300D is stuck with four slashed tires. Do you have four used ones (w or w/o rims) in the 195 (or 205) X 70 size? Let me know off-list if so. Shipping zip code would be 20723 On 10/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the advisor over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
[MBZ] Had enuf Kettle, etc......
Hey all... I'm taking the Marshall Plan and am outta' this until the topics become more MB related and non-personal.. Been fun for lots of years, but it ain't now!!! Bye for now and if anyone wants to get in touch, I'm available at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a good time in your sandbox. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike
[MBZ] 1968 200D
Anyone live near Everett WA and can inspect a 200D for me? Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Glad that you've been ordained to speak for the list - perhaps all further list emails should be sent directly to you. There are actually plenty of people of who agree with me on this list, some have even gone so far as to tell me as much off-list. On a serious note, which part of that that response did you find so offensive that you smashed your keyboard and broke the Caps Lock key? I really didn't think that anything I wrote would be considered as insulting as you make it out to be. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 450SL tranny update, and rough running
Here is some update about my buddy's '79 450SL that had a bad tranny. (BTW you are all my friends but you are all jerks too, right wrong and everything in-between at all times!) (guns, Bush, what oil to use?) (there, that ought to start about 500 flame threads and debates on various topics!) So anyway, he orders a new tranny from Rusty a few weeks back, has it delivered to this indy in town that is supposed to be the top deal. Takes awhile but he gets it installed, works great. A few days later he notices tranny fluid dripping and takes it back to the top-notch indy who says the tranny is bad, leaking at some main seal, gonna need yet another new one. So he talks to Rusty or whoever sent the tranny (might have been both), quotes my buddy another $1100 or whatever to swap yet another new one in (I guess Rusty or whoever was going to send another unit down, warranty). My buddy chokes on that deal and takes it to an Aamco or some such to get another opinion, some old guy there says he has done lots of Benzes, knows the deal, will check it out. This guy takes down the exhaust system or whatever is in the way, sees that some doohickey the indy installed on the tranny (from the old one) is leaking, tightens or seals it or something, and puts it all back together, $400 for the time to do that, all fine. So now my buddy is back and forth trying to get the $400 from the top-notch indy because their stupidity or poor installation caused that expense, and has found yet another mech that is reported to be good (this would be about the 4th one now). He is getting really upset at all these guys trying to screw him. Anyway, I drove the car today, it is running a bit rough at idle and low RPMs, but that 1-2 shift chirped the tires when I stomped it! That tranny was flaring and really soft before but is working fine now! Some fun! I thought the rough running might be either/all 1) some bad gas (it rained a monsoon here last week), 2) needs a tuneup (cap, rotor, plugs -- the cap looks like it might be time for a change, kinda dirty), 3) maybe something got knocked loose (vacuum hose?) in all the tranny stuff, 4) something else? Ideas? Oh, I almost forgot -- how many gears does this tranny have? --R
Re: [MBZ] Travel bargains
No, from London!!
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
Sunil Hari wrote: didn't jimmy buffett write a song about a guy doing something like this? Changes in latitude, changes in attitude??
Re: [MBZ] Brake pad life
,Newer Japanese cars will go much longer -- a friend of mine had 120,000 miles on his Avalon before it got T-boned and totaled and still had the original brake pads! That's excellent and I'll bet it still had the original and contaminated brake fluid. Most if not all Avalon drivers are one step from the home. The elderly couple next door is on their second one and I don't think she ever depresses the accelerator more than 1/2 inch. But, MB brakes are lasting a lot longer these days. My two 201s would eat the front pads in 14K miles and the rears in 26K miles. The 202 at 48K miles had eaten two sets and needed discs. The 203 needed pads (1st time) at 43K miles and all four were pretty much evenly worn. The discs looked fine. So, new pads and wear sensors from Rusty for maybe $110 and it was good to go. Easiest pad change in any of my MBs. RLE
[MBZ] 1968 200d
Anyone live in Everett WA who could look at a car for me? Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] WAS Brake pad life NOW Avalon Owners
My wife has an Avalon. You should ride with her some time if you think Avalon owners are ready for the home. Remember to hang on! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake pad life ,Newer Japanese cars will go much longer -- a friend of mine had 120,000 miles on his Avalon before it got T-boned and totaled and still had the original brake pads! That's excellent and I'll bet it still had the original and contaminated brake fluid. Most if not all Avalon drivers are one step from the home. The elderly couple next door is on their second one and I don't think she ever depresses the accelerator more than 1/2 inch. But, MB brakes are lasting a lot longer these days. My two 201s would eat the front pads in 14K miles and the rears in 26K miles. The 202 at 48K miles had eaten two sets and needed discs. The 203 needed pads (1st time) at 43K miles and all four were pretty much evenly worn. The discs looked fine. So, new pads and wear sensors from Rusty for maybe $110 and it was good to go. Easiest pad change in any of my MBs. RLE
Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK
Bob, I will think of guys like you any time I'm feeling bad about missing my train to Paris and having to wait 30 minutes for the next one. Was on the phone today for two hours to my girlfiend there...we can't wait to start exploring all the short hop trips there! Ahhh, freedom! I'll probably still be on the list thougheven if it's just to gloat over having REAL cars over there!! Jeff Zedic Toronto/London/Belfast/Paris/Venice/Stuttgart?
