Hi Andre,
[Andre previously in an attack on Marsha, most expletives removed, but
caution!]:
Let me put it another way: the inorganic level is a station through which
the organic level is made possible ( yes, by all means use a railway
station). The organic level is a station through which the
[Steve]
Mussolini's party was The Republican Fascist Party? does this mean that
Republicans are fascists?
I don't think it's disputed that Mussolini's Party was fascist.
Craig
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:44 PM, 118 wrote:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:42 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:03 PM, 118 wrote:
Marsha:
I never stated that the
On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not this,
not that. Clearly I was mistaken. You were simply stating that
Correct interrupted to be interpreted.
On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not this,
not that. Clearly I was
Mark said
I do not have time to have a gripe with somebody who is different.
So there ...
That is the pragmatists life's too short defence one I use all the time.
Looking for gripes is all too easy as you lot demonstrate.
Looking for agreement is harder ie it requires effort to
well, Mark, You seem to have mastered the decoherence away,and what is
remaining is the intellect.
You'r a bright guy Mark, bit of a loose gun sometimes, sometimes deviating
to the edge of chaos , but if you master them,
very intelligent,..i knew it!
greetz , Adrie
2010/10/23 118
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:19 AM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Steve]
Mussolini's party was The Republican Fascist Party? does this mean that
Republicans are fascists?
I don't think it's disputed that Mussolini's Party was fascist.
Craig
and apparently Republican as well.
Moq_Discuss
Hi Mark
Have you never heard of the wolf in sheep's clothing or that politicians
(and certain folk around here) tell lies?
Horse
On 23/10/2010 06:01, 118 wrote:
Hi Horse,
Now, I am not a historian but I have read a few books, The Rise and the Fall
of the Third Reich being one of them. My
Ron:
Good point,and follows in the same vein with similar caution
to Marks and Platt's arguement.
Hitler and the National socialist movement
lied about the Boon of Socialism, they made intellectual
arguements for the benefit s of socialism and when they came
into power to implement their promise
Platt,
you do it all the time..
guess that makes you a liar too,
appearently not a problem for you also.
Platt:
You deliberately left out important parts of my statement. That's not bending.
That's lying. For you, not a problem..
On 21 Oct 2010 at 16:34, X Acto wrote:
what?
I am
And he is too nice a guy to point
out that you are guilty of the same.
but you pretty much admitted to being a liar
so I guess it's to be expected
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Apearently Arlo wants to enforce open mindedness on all of us,
such hypocracy, typical of the liberial left.
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Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 12:51:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Tea Bagging
[Mark]
It
Sorry Mark, I didn't answer this one.
While there are shortcomings with the NHS, as with any nationwide health
system in any country, it is a system that very few would be without. It
is part of a National Insurance scheme and there's the clue. National
Insurance. Everybody (more or less)
[Mark]
Tyranny of the minority can be seen in many ways, like the abolition of prayer
in schools.
Ron:
stuff like abolition and literacy, too...such atrocities..
we should have the freedom to hold slaves and be
illiterate if we choose to in our community.
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On 23 Oct 2010 at 4:13, Horse wrote:
On 23/10/2010 02:17, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: What does NAZI stand for?
A. It is short nickname for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
(National Socialist German Workers' Party).
Source:
Instead of addressing what I wrote, Horse, you take the tactic so often used by
the left -- demonizing (Platteral shift, propaganda, bluster) The only attempt
you made to argue reasonably was to claim that capitalists and corporatists
fit the description I gave, an obvious error since both
As a youngman and recently of legal drinking age,
instead of going to clubs I prefered old stinky holes
in the wall.
I'd strike up conversations with bar fly's, bar tenders
and just your local average everyday regular.
Well the neatest conversations were with the owner
of a bar in Lancaster P.A.
Sorry Platt, I'm not going to get involved in one of your attempts to
twist the meaning of everything that doesn't fit your political bias.
If anyone is naive enough to believe you that's their problem.
Horse
On 23/10/2010 13:36, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 Oct 2010 at 4:13, Horse
Again with the twisting and distortion.
You twist and distort, others call you on it and you come back with more
twisting and distortion.
Platt-onic discourse.
Horse
On 23/10/2010 13:55, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of addressing what I wrote, Horse, you take the tactic so often
OK, Horse. Of course, you have no bias, and those who believe in liberty and
the free market are naive. I get it.
On 23 Oct 2010 at 14:08, Horse wrote:
Sorry Platt, I'm not going to get involved in one of your attempts to
twist the meaning of everything that doesn't fit your political
Again, more demonizing to avoid debate.
On 23 Oct 2010 at 14:12, Horse wrote:
Again with the twisting and distortion.
You twist and distort, others call you on it and you come back with more
twisting and distortion.
Platt-onic discourse.
Horse
On 23/10/2010 13:55, platthol...@gmail.com
Twist and distort, twist and distort.
On 23/10/2010 15:34, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, Horse. Of course, you have no bias, and those who believe in liberty and
the free market are naive. I get it.
On 23 Oct 2010 at 14:08, Horse wrote:
Sorry Platt, I'm not going to get involved in
Twist and distort, twist and distort.
On 23/10/2010 15:34, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, more demonizing to avoid debate.
On 23 Oct 2010 at 14:12, Horse wrote:
Again with the twisting and distortion.
You twist and distort, others call you on it and you come back with more
twisting
Mark to Andre:
Yes, Andre, this is a bottoms up approach. I am not sure I agree with it.
How is flux stable?
Andre:
Yes Mark, you did well to place loads of question marks to this post as, having
re-read, it is very poorly written.
Please just disregard it as I think that similar issues
Hi Mark,
Here is how I interpret, based on how they function, the Intellectual (SOM)
Level:
The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of
value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
patterns function is as reified concepts
Republicans do not believe in a government controlled economy, so no. At
its root, Democrats have more fascist principles, look it up.
This Republican and Democrat analogy does not extend to the parties of the
'30s. Many left-wing positions can be considered very conservative and
visa-versa.
Hi Horse,
No, really, not intentionally I hope! These politicians are here to ride in
on their shining horses and save us. What other purpose could they have in
mind. The internet is a great source for lies, just take a look at
Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Horse
Yes, !
'Quality is not a thing. It is an event...Quality is the event at which
awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible.
Thx for rolling this one in, Andre, will make me feel better again, I had a
bad day.
Adrie.
2010/10/23 Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.com
Mark to Andre:
Horse said to Platt:
...When will you stop with the propaganda and bluster? The Nazis, whatever the
nickname, were right-wing, not left-wing and all your blustering to avoid your
own right-wing bias won't hide that fact. A couple of groups you conveniently
left out below are the capitalists
Hi Andre,
Some comments below for discussion.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Mark to Andre:
Yes, Andre, this is a bottoms up approach. I am not sure I agree with it.
How is flux stable?
Andre:
Yes Mark, you did well to place loads of
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for your help in my search. I found the following web page on
decontexualization.
http://www.unm.edu/~devalenz/handouts/decontext2.html
Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Mark,
Here is how I
Howdy MOQers:
As an antidote to the political tone-deafness and the confusion over who should
be labeled what, I thought it would be good to get specific. Thanks to a
researcher named Altemeyer, we can discuss the particular attitudes and
positions held by right-wingers. It seems quite
Hi dmb,
Right wing, left wing. Hitler was considered left-wing at the time. He
brought is many social changes such as shorter work days. I do not think
you would consider that right wing even with today's interpretation. If
your intent is to polarize, you are not being factual. Wiki is a
On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for your help in my search. I found the following web page on
decontexualization.
http://www.unm.edu/~devalenz/handouts/decontext2.html
Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV
Hi David,
You present the so called right wing, what does Altemeyer say about the left
wing?
In your opinion, who is more authoritarian, Obama or Bush Jr.? Just
wondering.
Who is more competitive and destructive? Obama has only had two years to
far.
Harry Truman was a Democrat, we he left
Hi Mark,
I didn't think much of of the web pages. For me decontextualize means
removing and isolating a process from it's interdependencies to make it
an object of analysis.
Marsha
On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for your help in my search. I found
Marsha to Mark:
The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of
value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational
analysis and manipulation. Reification
This threefold dependence is not intuitively obvious, for it is concealed by
the appearance of phenomena as being self-sufficient and independent of
conceptual designation. On the basis of these misleading appearances it is
quite natural to think of, or conceptually apprehend, phenomena as
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Quality is seen as absolute. In consequence, the truth is defined
as the
Greetings,
Here is how I interpret, based on how the patterns function, the Intellectual
(SOM) Level:
The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of
value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
patterns function is as reified
Hi Mark
On 23/10/2010 16:35, 118 wrote:
Hi Horse,
No, really, not intentionally I hope!
'Fraid so - pretty much the lot of them. When they can find time to get
their snouts out of the trough!
These politicians are here to ride in on their shining horses and save us.
What other purpose
Marsha, I think you've had more than your two posts a day regarding
the SOL.
As a reminder to folks on this list, SOM as the Intellectual Level (SOL)
is restricted to a maximum of two posts per day per member.
Please bear this in mind.
Horse
On 23/10/2010 18:52, MarshaV wrote:
Greetings,
Greetings Horse,
I am not discussing the SOL, it my view of the Intellectual Level based on
reification. I don't believe Bo ever used the word reification.
Marsha
On Oct 23, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Horse wrote:
Marsha, I think you've had more than your two posts a day regarding the SOL.
[Mark]
However, certain modes of teaching such as creationism are banned from the
classroom.
[Arlo]
This kinda gets into another issue, to recap though, comparative mythology
courses are in many high school curriculae, we have it here (it is an
elective). So its not that creationism is not in
However you word it Marsha, SOM as the Intellectual level is SOL.
Whether it's by the front or the back door.
Two posts a day. That's the limit, please observe it.
Horse
On 23/10/2010 19:00, MarshaV wrote:
Greetings Horse,
I am not discussing the SOL, it my view of the Intellectual Level
Mark to Andre:
Sorry if my command of grammar is not up to snuff. I wouldn't get into a
grammar debate if I were you. Yes, it did just come up, you brought it up.
I was discussing it, you do not have to discuss it if you care not to, I
understand. So, how is flux stable?
Andre:
Nothing
Marsha said:
... Reification decontextualizes. [and] For me decontextualize means removing
and isolating a process from it's interdependencies to make it an object of
analysis.
dmb says:
Your use of these terms is very confusing. In fact, it seems you don't really
understand what they mean
Sure Horse, as moderator it is you setting the rules.:-)
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Horse wrote:
However you word it Marsha, SOM as the Intellectual level is SOL. Whether
it's by the front or the back door.
Two posts a day. That's the limit, please observe it.
Horse
On
dmb,
Yawn... Alan Wallace uses it. He understand. You, I don't expect to
understand.
Marsha
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:38 PM, david buchanan wrote:
Marsha said:
... Reification decontextualizes. [and] For me decontextualize means removing
and isolating a process from it's
woeha!, Andre this was a program brought to you by..
WOEHA!
Strange that Mark's Dutch apparently is still sharp enough for 'gebeurtenis'
als event,probably he is still having the look and feel in his fingers.
stunning quality in your postings , Andre,--quality-driven?
2010/10/23 Andre
Mark said to dmb:
... In your opinion, who is more authoritarian, Obama or Bush Jr.? Just
wondering. Who is more competitive and destructive? Obama has only had two
years to far. .. I do not agree that the right wing is more likely to suspend
the bill of rights.
dmb says:
What color is
Adrie to Andre:
woeha!, Andre this was a program brought to you by..
WOEHA!
Strange that Mark's Dutch apparently is still sharp enough for 'gebeurtenis'
als event,probably he is still having the look and feel in his fingers.
stunning quality in your postings , Andre,--quality-driven?
I’ll review the principle of emptiness within the Middle Way Consequence
School (Prasangika Madhyamika, which I abbreviate by Middle Way) through a
little story. Nearly thirty years ago a very holy man gave me some fresh carrot
juice to drink. What a tasty elixir! I returned home
Hi Horse,
I know something about science. Those things that I am somewhat of an
expert in, that is I have made discoveries and contributions in, I also find
Wiki to be often incorrect. I am sure you find the same in your field of
expertise. The trick is sorting out the lies. Of course there is
Wow, have you tried immodium? Please remember the context of your issues.
People can spy on me all they want, I have nothing to hide. Do You?
How about economic authoritarianism then? Keep it short.
Cheers,
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Mark to Andre:
Sorry if my command of grammar is not up to snuff. I wouldn't get into a
grammar debate if I were you. Yes, it did just come up, you brought it up.
I was discussing it, you do not have to
In 1934 the Volkischer Beobachter, the Nazi Party official newspaper,
described Roosevelt as a man of 'irreproachable, extremely responsible
character and immovable will' and a 'warmhearted leader of the people with a
profound understanding of social needs.' The paper emphasized that
Roosevelt,
Hi Mark,
It certainly is refreshing to have on this site someone who is willing
to challenge the politically correct party line. Pirsig did the same
in preferring capitalism to socialism, a position many here still can't
stomach.
Best,
Platt
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From: 118
I heard the NAZIs not only recognized the advances that the common man
made under Roosevelt's New Deal but also thought Einstein was smart.
If true, that must mean that Eisenstein was a NAZI and the theory of
relativity is pure fascism. I also heard that some NAZIs liked dogs,
therefore, liking
Platt, can you point to where Pirsig says that there should be no
government sponsored social programs at all and no regulation of
markets whatsoever? You do realize that you and Pirsig are at opposite
ends of the political spectrum in the US?
http://robertpirsig.org/Observer%20Interview.htm
Hi Steve,
Your logic is a bit strained don't you think? We're talking politics here,
not scientific
theories or personal tastes in pets.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.comwrote:
I heard the NAZIs not only recognized the advances that the common man
made
Just what we need... another Platt...
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, have you tried immodium? Please remember the context of your issues.
People can spy on me all they want, I have nothing to hide. Do You?
How about economic authoritarianism then?
Hi Mark
So in those parts where you have found inaccuracies what have you done
about it?
If you look to the right-hand side of most wiki entries there is an edit
link so I would assume you've corrected the incorrect entries that you
have found. Have you done so?
The whole point of wikipedia
Hi Horse,
Thanks,
I am fully aware of the flexibility of Wiki. There is indeed a board which
determines eligibility and accuracy. It must be a huge board. If I had the
time I could annotate, but it could then be annotated once again. As you
say, it is a living document. I have corrected
Like I said:
Platt, You Rock!
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Just what we need... another Platt...
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, have you tried immodium? Please remember the context of your
issues.
Hi Marsha,
OK, got it. Thanks.
The reason I ask into process is that as a scientist I am interested in
forming a concept based on transcription, translation, and assembly. As you
probably know, this is the genetic model, and, as above so below. That is,
DNA to RNA (transcription), RNA to
Yes, Steve,
And don't forget that Nazis were big proponents of Darwinism, loved the
insinuations of Hegel, and thought Wagner was wonderful. (Oops, didn't mean
to bring you in, Marsha, just ignore that last one). Mr. Heidegger was also
a big fan of the Nazis (that is for all you that like to
Hey Andrie,
Wish I could take credit, but had to ask my Dad.
Mark
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.comwrote:
woeha!, Andre this was a program brought to you by..
WOEHA!
Strange that Mark's Dutch apparently is still sharp enough for
'gebeurtenis'
als
Thanks Horse, I hear both sides. I'm glad there is not a committee any more
than there is in the private sector. Healthcare is kind of like religion,
it is based on a lot of fear. We'll see what happens here on the other side
of the pond. Hopefully we can still go private. Does the UK
Not my position Steve. I'm not an anarchist. As for social programs, please
be
more specific. Pirsig has come out explicitly against big government
programs.
Nor do I think we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. I assume
he
supported Kennedy when he reduced taxes. So did I I know he
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:02 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.eduwrote:
[Mark]
However, certain modes of teaching such as creationism are banned from the
classroom.
[Arlo]
This kinda gets into another issue, to recap though, comparative mythology
courses are in many high school
Horse,
Do you ever post on the MD using a different name, an alias name?
Marsha
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Horse wrote:
However you word it Marsha, SOM as the Intellectual level is SOL. Whether
it's by the front or the back door.
Two posts a day. That's the limit, please observe
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
You still don't see why your equation doesn't add up? You still don't see the
problem with your reasoning? I thought I'd made it impossible to miss, even
for you. And what I did was neither a
Hi David,
I like the post below, except the part where you question another's
understanding. (I do it all the time). What is the article you are quoting
from? I haven't followed this whole string.
I find the paradigm of the absence of inherent existence to be subtle. The
four noble truths
Hi Dan,
Yes, the definition, always good to have in a discussion. The angle that I
have been pursuing is one of boundary. We know what SOM is by definition.
When is it that something enters into the SOM realm? There seems to be a
lot of grey area which you are not describing. When are we
Hey Marsha,
Does this sound familiar to you (him and her are interchangeable)? Cheers,
Mark
There must be something the matter with him
because he would not be acting as he does
unless there was
therefore he is acting as he is
because there is something the matter with him
He does not
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com
wrote:
You still don't see why your equation doesn't add up? You still don't see
the problem with your reasoning? I thought I'd made it impossible to
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:38 PM, david buchanan wrote:
Marsha said:
... Reification decontextualizes. [and] For me decontextualize means removing
and isolating a process from it's interdependencies to make it an object of
analysis.
dmb says:
blah... blah... blah.
For you
Hi Mark,
Wonderful! I have KNOTS packed away somewhere, and
have forgotten hows insightful was Laing. I bet you are
a good dancer...
Who are you cooking for? I have a cousin coming to visit
from Michigan next week so I just assembled two small
lasagnas. I was once an excellent cook,
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