I had one design in which the holes didn't show up when moving pads, and one
that did. Very confusing until the penny dropped:
Turn the "Drill Guide" layer on (Design/Options - tick the "Drill Guide"
layer box). Viola! Holes show up when moving pads.
Tom.
> -Original Message-
> From: Ab
At 02:53 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Sean James wrote:
>OK, Abdul, I got the first part to work and created a *netlist* on the PCB.
>Now how do I load that into the schematic and get the Ref Des to come out
>correct and not erase the schematic.
You can't just load it in. This would require more software i
At 02:12 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Dwight wrote:
>(1) I also open 2 revisions of the same design not infrequently, which
>therefore have matching schematic sheet names, and would be horrified to
>find Protel changing the one that I was NOT working on at the time!
Note that if the old revision is read-on
Wayne.
Following Thomas' queries, try changing the colour of the pad holes and see
(or not!) if this has an effect.
Protel changes the colour of things that have focus or are selected, and we
have no or not much control over this colour. As I mentioned in my previous
email, I have the default b
At 12:47 PM 11/14/01 +1100, Thomas wrote:
>Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it.
Your eyesight must be very good! :-)
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Easthampton, Massachusetts USA
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At 06:01 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>Since a complex board has many
>constraints, the router's choices are limited to alternatives it is capable
>of deciding between. A wider open board presents the router with too many
>alternatives, which it's limited judgement cannot dec
Just to be a tiny bit more complete, under some display conditions and
object can appear, and then when you edit or move it, it disappears. This
happens when the layer that the object is on is not enable, but the object
was made visible because of some operation that highlights primitives on
o
At 03:18 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Dwight wrote:
>But if I rename the schematic sheets, I also have to update all links to
>that sheet from higher levels in my hierarchy. Yuk!
Since you are renaming them to include a revision number, there is a little
tool called a "global edit."
However, if one must
At 04:46 PM 11/13/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>And here I thought I knew all the tricks!
I don't think that *anyone* knows them all
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Easthampton, Massachusetts USA
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At 01:06 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
>every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to
>do
>too bad it's almost useful
I had the opposite experience it has always worked for me. Hmmm. maybe
reference designator positions were a little weird, but I am of
This has already been explained by Mr. Elson, but to say it perhaps another
way:
The message about the number of primitives to be "changed" tells you how
many matches you got. It is a tad different in Schematic than in PCB. PCB
does not include the object being edited in the match count, as I
All these emails - getting confused ;-0
OK...
Im running P99SE with SP6
my system is an NT4 SP6
Nvidia TNT Model64
White holes, Black background, not in transparent mode
Yes I use a 0,0 pad with variously sized holes.
OK that should replace three emails Ive previously sent
Thanks
Wayne
Its a black bacground
"Thomas"
wrote:
>I can't reproduce this, so a couple of questions for you:
>1) What sort of video card are you using?
Nvidia TNT2 Model64
>2) are you viewing the PCB in transparent mode?
No
>3) What colour do you have assigned to pad holes?
White
>4) Is the pad hole diameter smaller/same/larger
At 02:04 PM 11/13/01 -0600, Mark E Witherite wrote:
>I've been monitoring this thread and would like to know isn't any one
> worried about delamination of the PCB? I've had at lease 3 board houses
> flag me about extending the copper all the way to the board edge.
I suppose the board mate
I didnt know about this, and this is great. Its amazing what you can learn
just by 'listening' into these conversations.
Thanks guys:
Wayne Bickers
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 10:47 a.m.
> To: Protel EDA Fo
Yeah, I just tried it with my settings and I need a memory (brain, not PC)
upgrade.
I have changed my colour settings from the original (not the "classic"). My
background is the default, however I have changed PadHoles and ViaHoles to
black. The black changes to a purple-ish colour when moving
Nope. I can still see a 0mm x 0mm pad with 1mm hole when moving it. May be
something to do with the colour settings.
What version and service pack are you using? (me = S99E SP6).
> -Original Message-
> From: Brendon Slade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 12:
Hi Wayne
>From memory this only happens when the copper pad diameter is less than
(incl zero) the hole diameter, irrespective of whether it's PTH or not.
Cheers
Brendon.
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From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 200
Forgot something:
3) What colours do you have assigned to pad holes AND BACKGROUND?
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:48 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [PEDA] Holes
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > We
Ian Wilson wrote:
>
> They did offer Adv Route3. I bought it. It was not worth the price. The
> router did a reasonable job on some boards and a shocker on others. It had
> very poor copper sharing, so it would run a stringer from virtually every
> SM to gnd and a separate pad even if they wer
I can't reproduce this, so a couple of questions for you:
1) What sort of video card are you using?
2) are you viewing the PCB in transparent mode?
3) What colour do you have assigned to pad holes?
4) Is the pad hole diameter smaller/same/larger than the copper pad
diameter?
> -Original
Hi All
We have mounting holes in our pcbs - amazingly enough :-) but when I
left-click-hold to move a hole it disappears leaving only the crosshairs.
WHY OH WHY OH WHY ?
Thanks for you help
Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
New Zealand
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Dwight wrote:
> Jon, you're confusing PCB global edit with Schematic (what the thread is
> about).
Probably so. It all sort of blends into one another when I don't
have it on the screen in front of me at the moment.
But, other than the free/all listbox, I think everthing ELSE I
said was mostly
But if I rename the schematic sheets, I also have to update all links to
that sheet from higher levels in my hierarchy. Yuk! I just let the ddb
filename carry the version number, so it's always clear from the window
title which one I'm looking at. (Each ddb also includes a 'change log'
where I
> They did offer Adv Route3. I bought it. It was not worth the price. The
> router did a reasonable job on some boards and a shocker on others. It had
> very poor copper sharing, so it would run a stringer from virtually every
> SM to gnd and a separate pad even if they were right next to each
At 02:57 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> > I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
>
>Actually, Stephen, I do right now. I have been recovering from surgery
>since Oct. 15.
Touche.
I think I speak for all of us in wishing Mr. Baggett a speedy recovery a
Most of this has become an example of reduction ad absurdem, but a few
comments.
At 02:10 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>Abdul, you're a great dude, but I've got to disagree with you on this.
>Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my illustrative examples. The fact that
>cleanin
Thanks for the straightforward answer, Ian! I usually find that my manual
routing gives me the results I'm seeking, while the autorouter that came
with Protel v2 through v3 did amazingly odd things.
You wrote,
>You may find that some of
>the very cheap PCB packages have better routers these d
On 01:06 PM 13/11/2001 -0800, Dennis Saputelli said:
>every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to
>do
>too bad it's almost useful
>
>Dennis Saputelli
>
>
>Colin Weber wrote:
> >
> > Also, don't forget about Morphing (or Replication). Protel's best kept
> secret.
Denn
On 10:07 AM 13/11/2001 -0800, Michael Elliott said:
>Hi all,
><..snip..>
>However, I do have the occasional small low-speed digital board I need to
>do and was wondering if Protel ever offered any kind of supplemental
>shape-based or more advanced type of router for PCB3. I know that they did
>for
Jon, you're confusing PCB global edit with Schematic (what the thread is
about).
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:27 PM
>
> There are a bunch of things that you need to do to get a global edit to
> work on parts. One is that you need to
(1) I also open 2 revisions of the same design not infrequently, which
therefore have matching schematic sheet names, and would be horrified to
find Protel changing the one that I was NOT working on at the time!
(2) Whenever a design goes to fab, I make a directory of all the relevant
files & mar
At 08:19 PM 11/13/01 +, Steve Wiseman wrote:
>Abdul - the reason I'm running with multiple schematics of the same name
>is that often I'll be working on a design when a customer calls with a
>question about an older version, or I'll be working on a new revision of
>an older design, while refer
At 10:07 AM 11/13/01 -0800, Michael Elliott wrote:
>[...]was wondering if Protel ever offered any kind of supplemental
>shape-based or more advanced type of router for PCB3. I know that they did
>for 2.5 and 2.8, but can't find any mention of such in the online manuals
>for PCB3.
>
>If they did, i
every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to
do
too bad it's almost useful
Dennis Saputelli
Colin Weber wrote:
>
> Also, don't forget about Morphing (or Replication). Protel's best kept secret.
>
> The Schematic editor allows objects being placed to copy all the at
Also, don't forget about Morphing (or Replication). Protel's best kept secret.
The Schematic editor allows objects being placed to copy all the attributes
of an existing
object in the document. To copy using morphing involves holding an object
(eg. resistor)
currently floating on the cursor ove
you might be making trouble for yourself by not using the ddb
we have not (yet!) had a problem with it
it also spews enoughs backups onto the drive outside of the ddb that i
wouldn't worry too much about it
Dennis Saputelli
Steve Wiseman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Ian Wilson wrote:
>
> >
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just recently changed over to SP6 running on Win2K professional. I tried
> to global edit a schematic part using the selection as the common feature.
> The customary screen saying I was about to change 16 parts OK? yet when I
> clicked yes, nothing changed.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Ian Wilson wrote:
> I think it is a bug. Pure and simple.
Yeah - I think so, too. At least, I'd like to see it fixed, in case a
similar bug _is_ crapping elsewhere. If nothing else, it would make me
more sure that some phantom loss-of-changes I've been seeing recently are
> I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
Actually, Stephen, I do right now. I have been recovering from surgery
since Oct. 15.
For those who might be curious, I had a kidney tumor (renal cell carcinoma)
on the left kidney. It (the tumor and the kidney) was removed withou
>Amp make them.
>Amp D25 Plug Part no. 747912-2
>Amp D25 Socket Part no. 747913-2
>Cheers,
>Gareth de Mar.
>Compucat Research Pty Ltd.
Thanks so much Gareth. I had seen these in the Digi-Key catalong for a long
time, but they were more expensive than standard types, so I never bought
them as I
OK, Abdul, I got the first part to work and created a *netlist* on the PCB.
Now how do I load that into the schematic and get the Ref Des to come out
correct and not erase the schematic.
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x
Also, I didn't explain why it doesn't work as you explained.
I don't know programming wise why, but unless you actually tell protel
exactly what you want to change (match attributes section), and what you
want it to change to (copy attributes section), protel will tell you
that it is going to chan
I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 November 2001 19:32
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
> >Having your house cleaned is a serv
> >Having your house cleaned is a service.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Having your yard mowed is a
> >service.
>
> Yes.
>
> > What these 2 examples DO NOT have in common with software is that
> >they are consumable, and cannot build upon past work.
>
> Huh? Neither one is "a consumable," neither one is a t
I discovered this, but the global edit just takes a bit more tweaking.
You have to enter what you want to change on the global menu.
For example, if you selected 2 parts, and you wanted to change part type
from 1K to 2K, open global menu, select "same" on selection under
"attributed to match by" a
Hi all,
I just recently changed over to SP6 running on Win2K professional. I tried
to global edit a schematic part using the selection as the common feature.
The customary screen saying I was about to change 16 parts OK? yet when I
clicked yes, nothing changed. Has anyone else experienced this? Is
At 03:13 PM 11/12/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> > There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "software as a service"
> > concept. In fact, properly implemented, it could be an improvement over
>the
> > more common product concept.
>
>Having your house cleaned is a service.
Yes.
>
Hi all,
I'm new to the list. If this is a Frequently-Asked Question, or too
off-topic to be appropriate, please advise and I'll take it to the Open
Forum.
I've been running v3.2.3 Advanced Schematic and Advanced PCB for a darn
long time. While Protel has certainly advanced the product over the p
At 09:23 AM 11/13/01 -0500, Sean James wrote:
>Vias also don't have thermal reliefs like pads. (This works in PCAD,
>though).
It also works in Protel. Relief/Direct Connect is set for both pads and
vias through Design/Rules/Manufacturing.
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Easthampton, Massach
At 09:21 AM 11/13/01 -0500, Sean James wrote:
>Ian, this is a good suggestion, however, the PCB hasn't any named nets. He
>just wires point to point, and keeps track of the wiring in his head by
>using his rough schematic.
I'll be more explicit.
That is *not* a problem. Design/Netlist/Menu/Creat
i usually place the first part and then fill out all the fields and then
use copy paste for the subsequent parts
Dennis Saputelli
Stephen Smith wrote:
>
> When a multi-part component is placed on the schematic, and you need to
> set, or change the footprint; why do you have to change it for eac
> Vias also don't have thermal reliefs like pads. (This works in PCAD,
> though).
That was an old version of Protel. Currently Vias get connected
automagically to a power plane having the same net name using the connect
style for that net.
Rob
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works also fine in Protel.
G. Auge
"Sean James"
Vias also don't have thermal reliefs like pads. (This works in PCAD,
though).
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
(FAX) 413.541.6170
- Original Message -
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel
Ian, this is a good suggestion, however, the PCB hasn't any named nets. He
just wires point to point, and keeps track of the wiring in his head by
using his rough schematic.
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
(FAX) 413.5
When a multi-part component is placed on the schematic, and you need to
set, or change the footprint; why do you have to change it for each
part??
There might be an easy solution..but to me a seems stupid, as the
component is not going to have two different footprints.
I know you can do global
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