[RBW] WTB Basket/ShopSack
As a fan of multiple rack/bag options for all (at least most) of my load carrying scenarios, I find myself lacking. Inspired by several recent photos like *Evan's front end http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/11528055694/in/pool-rivendell, *I'd like to try the medium basket/medium ShopSack combo. I've got the rack, but need the basket and bag. Any chance someone here is seeking to clear one or both of these items out of their clutter? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I have been soldering electrical connections for most of my life but I've not once been able to solder modern SS cables, which is all I use on my bikes. So instead of solder, I use narrow (1/8) shrink tubing. It doesn't look as bulky as a typical crimp end. The key to good shrink tube application is to use a heat gun, not a flame, as the heat source. Anton Tutter Somerville, MA and Bloomville, NY http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/9401390914_a2ae10e4f0_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bleriot build kit for sale
No bites on this as a complete kit, so let me know if you're interested in just part of it. Offers welcome or tell me what bits you'd like and I'll suggest a price... Wheels are gone, rack is gone, but NS rack pack, wire bead Fatty Rumkin tires (with tubes!) and all other parts are still available. Thanks, Steve On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: I sold Anne's Bleriot frameset so I have all the parts from it available. These parts are nearly new and I'd like to sell the as a kit if possible to keep the shipping and transaction simple: Sugino XD Crankset, (170mm arms, 26/36/48 rings, some shoe rub on ND arm) Shimano bottom bracket and SRAM chain, 8-speed barend shifters, 105 triple derailers, the higher end (black plastic not grey) Shimano brake levers and Tektro long reach calipers, 11-28 Shimano Hyperglide 8 speed cassette (not pictured) and Shimano cables and housing cut to fit a 53cm Bleriot. (chain's cut to fit that bike, too) $400 shipped. The moustache bars are old and beat up, and the ends have been trimmed for knee clearance, the seatpost is nothing special-an old Trek System model. The stem is nice, though, a very short extension (50 or 60mm?) Nitto Technomic, I bought new for this build so it's been installed but never ridden. I'd include the stem for another $40. And the post and bars for another $30. The saddle is a Cloud9 lady's model with considerable padding, a cut-out, and pink breast cancer trim and graphics-it's like new and I'd include it for another $30. Planning to keep the MKS pedals, but that's negotiable, too. The 650b wheels and tires are available, too--contact me for details if interested... Thanks, Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?
On 01/01/2014 10:16 PM, rob markwardt wrote: Today was 45 degrees in Seattle (isn't it always?) I crashed the Bleriot yesterday and since my crashes seem to come is twos, today I headed for a spot with softer landing...75 minutes on the trails of Woodland Park on my now 30 year old Ross Mountain bike (made it without incident). Slippery corner taken too fast took me down..funny but I could see it coming (unfortunately too late to do anything). My 16 year old Seiko got the worst of it but I have similar looking scrapes in my skin on all left side contact points (ankle, knee, hip, knuckle,and shoulder). The last thing to hit the ground (my melon) came out fine due to my helmet. (promise...first, last, only helmet post of the year). I don't think I would have died or anything but I'm pretty confident I'd have been feeling quite a bit different these last two day. Here's to a safe 2014. You crashed yesterday, then set out today to crash again and succeeded? Ouch X 2! I hope that satisfies your quota for the year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
So far no one I have ridden with has been intrigued about wider tires. Maybe I need to find people with more curiosity! :-) Your blog mentions the shorter contact patch of wider tires. A decade or so ago, one of the participants on rec.bicycles.tech made images of the contact patches of various width tires. What was striking was that he showed little difference in the shape or size of the contact patch, although perhaps his range of tire sizes was too small. It would be interesting to repeat this with good scientific rigor. Many wider tires, of course, do roll slower compared to skinny tires. Tire manufacturers tend to put thicker rubber on wider tires for some reason, perhaps marketing assumptions about the buyers of wider tires, which increases hysteresis; casings for wider tires tend to be made with heavier thread for reasons due to physics, which may increase hysteresis; and of course wider tires with heavier casings and thicker tread will weigh more and may affect the responsiveness of the bike to rider input. High quality performance oriented wide tires, such as the ones Jan promotes, are a much different product. Even my wide-ish mid-level 26 x 1.25 Paselas roll very well compared to my 700 x 25s. P.S.- my wife gave me the Rene Herse book for Christmas. I am 100 pages in and enjoying it very much, although perhaps the title should have been Rene Herse and most of the history of French cyclotourisme. I have always enjoyed the historical articles in BQ and this book has that in spades. It is big enough that reading it in bed is self-limiting! Tim On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
Kalamazoo 16F with a -4F windchill. Also rode the Hunq, Marc On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Bill Fulford wrote: Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?
I could cut down to one bike if it wasn't for bike thieves. I'm not about to lock up my Rivendell in front of the grocery store, or to the bike rack at work. For that I have my beater bike, an early 80s Nishiki. On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:13 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Nice time to revive this thread! Who cut down to one bike this year? I'm moving (back) to Oakland this summer and am in the process of deciding whether or not to go down to 1 bike or 2 (at 3). Pay aspirational minimalist really wants to do this. My sentimental attachments tell me no. Who did it? Who didn't? How did it work or why didn't it? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
The one time my TaiwanColnago-riding friend was intrigued by wider tires, he got some new 700x25's right before our ride, and 1 minute after putting them on, he found that they cleared the seatstay bridge by about 0.2 mm! But he otherwise likes his bike and likes to be fast and connects the fastness to the bike frame and components, and so much for caring about wider tires. On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:56 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: So far no one I have ridden with has been intrigued about wider tires. Maybe I need to find people with more curiosity! :-) Your blog mentions the shorter contact patch of wider tires. A decade or so ago, one of the participants on rec.bicycles.tech made images of the contact patches of various width tires. What was striking was that he showed little difference in the shape or size of the contact patch, although perhaps his range of tire sizes was too small. It would be interesting to repeat this with good scientific rigor. Many wider tires, of course, do roll slower compared to skinny tires. Tire manufacturers tend to put thicker rubber on wider tires for some reason, perhaps marketing assumptions about the buyers of wider tires, which increases hysteresis; casings for wider tires tend to be made with heavier thread for reasons due to physics, which may increase hysteresis; and of course wider tires with heavier casings and thicker tread will weigh more and may affect the responsiveness of the bike to rider input. High quality performance oriented wide tires, such as the ones Jan promotes, are a much different product. Even my wide-ish mid-level 26 x 1.25 Paselas roll very well compared to my 700 x 25s. P.S.- my wife gave me the Rene Herse book for Christmas. I am 100 pages in and enjoying it very much, although perhaps the title should have been Rene Herse and most of the history of French cyclotourisme. I have always enjoyed the historical articles in BQ and this book has that in spades. It is big enough that reading it in bed is self-limiting! Tim On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.netjavascript: wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] WTB Basket/ShopSack
The medium Wald basket is cheap and ubiquitous; your LBS probably sells them with the handlebar/axle mounts attached. Remove that excess hardware zip tie it to your front rack. I use generic canvas or nylon shopping bags, held down with a bungee net. Not as sexy as the ShopSack, but they do the job fine. Just some suggestions to get you started as a basket rider. (I bought my basket and bungee net from Riv, but realized afterwards that there are other options). Tim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: As a fan of multiple rack/bag options for all (at least most) of my load carrying scenarios, I find myself lacking. Inspired by several recent photos like *Evan's front end http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/11528055694/in/pool-rivendell, *I'd like to try the medium basket/medium ShopSack combo. I've got the rack, but need the basket and bag. Any chance someone here is seeking to clear one or both of these items out of their clutter? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
excuse me - Jan - I knew that On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:48:35 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: Swift Little Dear
I have a moderately used Swift Industries Little Dear that does not fit on my smallish Atlantis with a rear rack. I am asking $40 shipped to CONUS. Pictures are here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157639314484483/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Fenders and chain stay clearance
Thanks guys. I was sort of against cutting too. I do like the heat gun approach - I'll need to see if there's enough room between the tire. I guess just the fact that the fender sides contact the stays doesn't mean it's wrong (or does it?). I think the snuggness probably decreases fender vibrations on the whole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
How about heavier tires , have you done a test with those ? You know ... there's heavy , heavier and really really heavy tires ! Like those 2+ pounders ! lol ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Happy New Year to All!
Jim, you the man, thank you!!! BB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I guess the thread title should be more like Travel with a bike. Ha. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Well, that’s the thing I brought up in response to Jan, although as I have tried finding that information on the Internet I have come up blank. Maybe I am remembering it incorrectly. As I recalled it, a guy named Carl Fogel used sheets of paper on the floor and a stamp pad to create an image of the tires’ contact patch. However, what I have turned up is discussion of different pressures in the same tire rather than different width tires; the image of the contact patches is no longer available: http://www.cyclingforums.com/t/374655/contact-patch-size-versus-tire-inflation There may be something relevant in the following, I have not had time to read the article closely; the variable seems to be rim width rather than tire width. The differences in the graphics seem to be rather highly exaggerated in an effort to justify buying expensive rims: http://flocycling.blogspot.com/2011/11/flo-cyling-contact-patch-why-wider-is.html It’d be interesting to compare different width tires, possibly also at different pressures. On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
-35C, -45C with windchill. One of the coldest days of the year in Winnipeg. Rode my Surly winter beater, a single speed steamroller. Summer can't come fast enough. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:38:33 AM UTC-6, Bill Fulford wrote: Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
The handlebars were a problem on the 68cm custom that I own, traveling to France and using a hard shell plastic case that I borrowed. There was not enough slack in the shifter and brake cables to remove the threaded stem from the steerer tube. But the bike seemingly would not fit in the box with the handlebars and stem attached to the frame. And the fact that threaded quills only have one bolt for loosening and tightening didn't help; this is one way that threadless is superior. I finally finagled the handlebars in there somehow and used extra straps to keep the thing shut. Knowing what I know now, I would have just removed the barend shifters and disconnected the brake cables. But oh well, youth and inexperience, back in 2007 ;) On the way back to the US, I got a pair of pliers and cut the cables, that made it a lot easier to get the thing in the box. Obviously, I had to have new cables installed before I could ride it again. Another thing I didn't know how to do in 2007... If I knew I was going to ship my bike often, I would get the quick disconnect cables that I have seen on some bikes. I didn't need an SS to make my huge frame and fork fit in a bike box and I don't suspect most other people do, either. If you're not going to be traveling with your bike much, I think just paying the oversize baggage fee makes more sense. It was $110 each way in 2007, little bit of an ouchy but it's much less than installing couplers. I would probably only get SS couplers if I was building a custom tandem, which in my case would be probably near impossible to get on an airplane. Timely question. I need to start thinking about how to get my bike to France in 2015 again (hopefully, anyway). -Jim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
There is a guy on the Toronto CL that advertises renting out bike cases for traveling but have no idea if your bike would fit. At least your bike will be protected. I have traveled with a fabric bag to carry my bike and though it survived the bag didn't. I would never do it again the stress is too much. I have also used a cardboard box for a tour once and had to discard the box as I rode right from the airport. Then there was the hassle of getting another box for traveling home. Cost wise, for example Air Canada charges $35 for your second bag and $100 if it your third. Plus there is a charge of $50 for each portion of the journey because it is a bike. Then you have to be careful that Air Canada is actually the plane you are using and not another Star Alliance carrier because their charges can be different even thought you paid Air Canada for the ticket. So it is at least $85 each way if you have one other piece of luggage if you fly economy. First class different story. If you rent a case then add that on. Do that twice a year and you may rethink S and S couplers. My wife works for an airline, I essentially travel the world for next to nothing and I had visions of bringing a bike with me so I bought us both Bromptons. The Brompton rides like crap, might as well just rent a bike at my destination. If I was doing another cycling vacation and was only doing it once in a while I would go the bike case route and pay the charges. If I was taking my bike somewhere twice a year, I would seriously think S S couplers. Only my opinion. Others will chime in because there are plenty of people who travel with their bikes and have no problems. The benefits greatly outweigh the hassles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Hey Jim, thanks for your thoughts. Could you not have just loosened the cables at the brakes and the derailleurs? Getting the handlebars off will definitely be necessary, I think. Air Canada appears to charge $50 each way on flights, which is not too bad. The weight and dimensions limits are also reasonable, so it might be doable, as long as we fly with them. Do you happen to know what box you used? Was it a plastic type hard case jobby? KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:50:22 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: The handlebars were a problem on the 68cm custom that I own, traveling to France and using a hard shell plastic case that I borrowed. There was not enough slack in the shifter and brake cables to remove the threaded stem from the steerer tube. But the bike seemingly would not fit in the box with the handlebars and stem attached to the frame. And the fact that threaded quills only have one bolt for loosening and tightening didn't help; this is one way that threadless is superior. I finally finagled the handlebars in there somehow and used extra straps to keep the thing shut. Knowing what I know now, I would have just removed the barend shifters and disconnected the brake cables. But oh well, youth and inexperience, back in 2007 ;) On the way back to the US, I got a pair of pliers and cut the cables, that made it a lot easier to get the thing in the box. Obviously, I had to have new cables installed before I could ride it again. Another thing I didn't know how to do in 2007... If I knew I was going to ship my bike often, I would get the quick disconnect cables that I have seen on some bikes. I didn't need an SS to make my huge frame and fork fit in a bike box and I don't suspect most other people do, either. If you're not going to be traveling with your bike much, I think just paying the oversize baggage fee makes more sense. It was $110 each way in 2007, little bit of an ouchy but it's much less than installing couplers. I would probably only get SS couplers if I was building a custom tandem, which in my case would be probably near impossible to get on an airplane. Timely question. I need to start thinking about how to get my bike to France in 2015 again (hopefully, anyway). -Jim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
I looked at just installing some loops onto the saddle rails, Velo Orange sells some for just this purpose. However, the bottom attachment point says to attach it to the seatpost. That doesn't seem like it's going to work very well. I don't want any sort of interference with my legs while pedaling, so getting it away from my backside is a bit of a priority. I was considering this setup. It is quite ugly, but seems like it would be effective: http://www.wiggle.com/carradice-bagman-2-sport-support-bag-mount-qr/ Rivendell sells the R-14 rear rack, which seems like it would work fine for the purpose, and looks pretty, but it costs more than twice as much. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r14.htm Any thoughts? I do have some regular old racks just lying around too. That might be a cheaper fix. Just have to dig through the boxes in the garage to find one... Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
I use one of these with my Barley: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r13.htm Works well, and is unobtrusive. I think I've seen a similar item from other manufacturers, but I can't recall where. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
$50 is a good price. FedEx or UPS ground service within the US is higher. You mention weight dimensions are reasonable. Keep in mind that many hard plastic cases by themselves are in the 30 lb range. There are several cardboard boxes that are coated with a plastic material that are quite rugged and under 20 lbs. Crate Works is the brand that comes to mine but there are several out there. My Atlantis is 58 cm a lot of stuff has to come off. Cable splitters are a great convenience, and the bars most surely will have to come off. Think about whether you'll need racks on your trip leave big ones (rear pannier rack for instance) at home if not. They take a lot of space. Each airline seems to have its own size, weight, policy restrictions, and they change often. Check all the details before you buy your ticket, then print out the policy in effect on the day you bought your ticket. This has come in handy at check-in. dougP On Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:59:55 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote: Hey Jim, thanks for your thoughts. Could you not have just loosened the cables at the brakes and the derailleurs? Getting the handlebars off will definitely be necessary, I think. Air Canada appears to charge $50 each way on flights, which is not too bad. The weight and dimensions limits are also reasonable, so it might be doable, as long as we fly with them. Do you happen to know what box you used? Was it a plastic type hard case jobby? KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:50:22 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: The handlebars were a problem on the 68cm custom that I own, traveling to France and using a hard shell plastic case that I borrowed. There was not enough slack in the shifter and brake cables to remove the threaded stem from the steerer tube. But the bike seemingly would not fit in the box with the handlebars and stem attached to the frame. And the fact that threaded quills only have one bolt for loosening and tightening didn't help; this is one way that threadless is superior. I finally finagled the handlebars in there somehow and used extra straps to keep the thing shut. Knowing what I know now, I would have just removed the barend shifters and disconnected the brake cables. But oh well, youth and inexperience, back in 2007 ;) On the way back to the US, I got a pair of pliers and cut the cables, that made it a lot easier to get the thing in the box. Obviously, I had to have new cables installed before I could ride it again. Another thing I didn't know how to do in 2007... If I knew I was going to ship my bike often, I would get the quick disconnect cables that I have seen on some bikes. I didn't need an SS to make my huge frame and fork fit in a bike box and I don't suspect most other people do, either. If you're not going to be traveling with your bike much, I think just paying the oversize baggage fee makes more sense. It was $110 each way in 2007, little bit of an ouchy but it's much less than installing couplers. I would probably only get SS couplers if I was building a custom tandem, which in my case would be probably near impossible to get on an airplane. Timely question. I need to start thinking about how to get my bike to France in 2015 again (hopefully, anyway). -Jim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Hey Blakcloud, Yeah, I can see how the costs will add up quickly with a few trips abroad. How does an SS frame packed up differ from a regular bike, in terms of what you are charged? It's my understanding that Air Canada will charge you the $50 as long as it's a bike, no matter what. I guess with an SS bike, it's small enough that you could lie and say it's something else? The only place I know of to install SS couplers in the Toronto area is True North, and he charges $750+350 for paint, so that's a lot. I guess a smaller package would be convenient, but if it doesn't reduce the per-trip fees, it would never pay for itself. I've seen that bike box rental ad, might look more closely at it. The Serfas boxes that AC recommends are not exactly cheap. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:57:18 AM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote: There is a guy on the Toronto CL that advertises renting out bike cases for traveling but have no idea if your bike would fit. At least your bike will be protected. I have traveled with a fabric bag to carry my bike and though it survived the bag didn't. I would never do it again the stress is too much. I have also used a cardboard box for a tour once and had to discard the box as I rode right from the airport. Then there was the hassle of getting another box for traveling home. Cost wise, for example Air Canada charges $35 for your second bag and $100 if it your third. Plus there is a charge of $50 for each portion of the journey because it is a bike. Then you have to be careful that Air Canada is actually the plane you are using and not another Star Alliance carrier because their charges can be different even thought you paid Air Canada for the ticket. So it is at least $85 each way if you have one other piece of luggage if you fly economy. First class different story. If you rent a case then add that on. Do that twice a year and you may rethink S and S couplers. My wife works for an airline, I essentially travel the world for next to nothing and I had visions of bringing a bike with me so I bought us both Bromptons. The Brompton rides like crap, might as well just rent a bike at my destination. If I was doing another cycling vacation and was only doing it once in a while I would go the bike case route and pay the charges. If I was taking my bike somewhere twice a year, I would seriously think S S couplers. Only my opinion. Others will chime in because there are plenty of people who travel with their bikes and have no problems. The benefits greatly outweigh the hassles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
you don't have to settle for a Brompton, though my nephew and his wife with two small kids crossed Australia on their Bromptons. I mentioned my buddy's Dahon Tournado on another thread. It's a high-quality full-size lightweight 700c tourer made for shipping, with a Ritchie-design folding frame. He also has VO Constructeur racks front and rear set up with quick attachments and they easily fit in the Dahon case (the Dahon case is made by Serfas). He assembles it in less than 10 minutes. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:57:18 AM UTC-6, blakcloud wrote: There is a guy on the Toronto CL that advertises renting out bike cases for traveling but have no idea if your bike would fit. At least your bike will be protected. I have traveled with a fabric bag to carry my bike and though it survived the bag didn't. I would never do it again the stress is too much. I have also used a cardboard box for a tour once and had to discard the box as I rode right from the airport. Then there was the hassle of getting another box for traveling home. Cost wise, for example Air Canada charges $35 for your second bag and $100 if it your third. Plus there is a charge of $50 for each portion of the journey because it is a bike. Then you have to be careful that Air Canada is actually the plane you are using and not another Star Alliance carrier because their charges can be different even thought you paid Air Canada for the ticket. So it is at least $85 each way if you have one other piece of luggage if you fly economy. First class different story. If you rent a case then add that on. Do that twice a year and you may rethink S and S couplers. My wife works for an airline, I essentially travel the world for next to nothing and I had visions of bringing a bike with me so I bought us both Bromptons. The Brompton rides like crap, might as well just rent a bike at my destination. If I was doing another cycling vacation and was only doing it once in a while I would go the bike case route and pay the charges. If I was taking my bike somewhere twice a year, I would seriously think S S couplers. Only my opinion. Others will chime in because there are plenty of people who travel with their bikes and have no problems. The benefits greatly outweigh the hassles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:20:28 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote: The one time my TaiwanColnago-riding friend was intrigued by wider tires, he got some new 700x25's right before our ride, and 1 minute after putting them on, he found that they cleared the seatstay bridge by about 0.2 mm! But he otherwise likes his bike and likes to be fast and connects the fastness to the bike frame and components, and so much for caring about wider tires. Yeah, I've been riding 700x25s at about 80-85psi for about 5 years now and love it! At first, I actually got alot of grief from my buddies for riding such *fat* tires! When you compared them to others who were on 700x20-23, my tires did look fat. Interestingly, I noticed no loss in performance and routinely coast by in my aero tuck pass my skinny buddies on the downhills as they furiously try to pedal to go faster. Unfortunately, like most people with carbon forks, 700x25 and crud fenders is the fattest tire I can fit. I suppose I could try a 700x28, but don't want to give up the fenders. Good Luck! On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:56 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: So far no one I have ridden with has been intrigued about wider tires. Maybe I need to find people with more curiosity! :-) Your blog mentions the shorter contact patch of wider tires. A decade or so ago, one of the participants on rec.bicycles.tech made images of the contact patches of various width tires. What was striking was that he showed little difference in the shape or size of the contact patch, although perhaps his range of tire sizes was too small. It would be interesting to repeat this with good scientific rigor. Many wider tires, of course, do roll slower compared to skinny tires. Tire manufacturers tend to put thicker rubber on wider tires for some reason, perhaps marketing assumptions about the buyers of wider tires, which increases hysteresis; casings for wider tires tend to be made with heavier thread for reasons due to physics, which may increase hysteresis; and of course wider tires with heavier casings and thicker tread will weigh more and may affect the responsiveness of the bike to rider input. High quality performance oriented wide tires, such as the ones Jan promotes, are a much different product. Even my wide-ish mid-level 26 x 1.25 Paselas roll very well compared to my 700 x 25s. P.S.- my wife gave me the Rene Herse book for Christmas. I am 100 pages in and enjoying it very much, although perhaps the title should have been Rene Herse and most of the history of French cyclotourisme. I have always enjoyed the historical articles in BQ and this book has that in spades. It is big enough that reading it in bed is self-limiting! Tim On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net javascript: wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. James Warren jimcw...@earthlink.net javascript: - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
again, rolling resistance is contact patch and rubber characteristics (compound, tread). Weight is inertia and is felt in acceleration/deceleration. Weight doesn't hurt you going downhill, as I'm often able to demonstrate - I'm 6'3 and 215 lbs. when lean. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:12:02 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote: How about heavier tires , have you done a test with those ? You know ... there's heavy , heavier and really really heavy tires ! Like those 2+ pounders ! lol ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
The nitto R-10 would be another option for a small bag support rack. A little better looking than the Bagman 2 and less expensive (although less functional) than the R-14. Dan On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I use one of these with my Barley: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r13.htm Works well, and is unobtrusive. I think I've seen a similar item from other manufacturers, but I can't recall where. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
Tucson was a very nice 73°; rode the Brompton to the outdoor aquatic center, swam for my usual half hour, then stopped at Sprouts for a grocery run. Should've caught a pic at the pool; just have this one of the Brommie loaded after shopping (and with pool stuff): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/11711897025 Sunset light nice against the Catalinas. Overcooked the eggplant on the outdoor grill, but a wonderful day. Cheers, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the SS box. I haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like it might be a no-go. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
It was just about perfect here in Charlottesville. Perhaps 55? Warm, in any case. I got two rides in. The first with my son and the Hunq http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11693630095/ and then another later in the day alone on my Terraferma http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11696893076/in/photostream/. My son, daughter and I went out this morning--very different: low 30s and overcast. My almost 8 year old learned the hard way about wet roots and mountain bikes--they don't like each other. Happy new year all! Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Just to tack onto this discussion, what do people do when they get to their destination? Perfect world, unpack the bike and ride from the airport, or taxi to hotel then ride, but what if bike is only part of the trip? How do you manage transporting by rental car? Would like to hear how people manage this in practical terms, i've always wanted to bring a bike but it seems like too much of a hassle. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:26:18 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the SS box. I haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like it might be a no-go. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Never tell the airlines that is a bicycle when you pack it small. Tell them it is steel tubes, or a personal mobility device or sports equipment. The airlines are not suppose to charge you if it is under the 60 limit size. What some people do is get a letter from the customer service department of the airline that they carry with them, saying there is no charge if under the limit, which they show at the ticket counter. Some airlines have this on their websites, if they do print and take it with you, Air Canada does not have this on their website. I once had an Air Canada agent in Washington DC try to charge me $50 because the box I was using had a picture of a bicycle on it. I explained to her first it was a Burley Travoy trailler, the box size couldn't fit a bike if I tried and I tried to explain to her the policies of the airline, but she didn't want to hear it. To her a bike is a bike is a bike. Because it wasn't a bike she didn't charge me but remember of who you have to deal with. Here is the current ad for the bike case rental place.http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/4255532848.html Hope that helps. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:22:03 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Blakcloud, Yeah, I can see how the costs will add up quickly with a few trips abroad. How does an SS frame packed up differ from a regular bike, in terms of what you are charged? It's my understanding that Air Canada will charge you the $50 as long as it's a bike, no matter what. I guess with an SS bike, it's small enough that you could lie and say it's something else? The only place I know of to install SS couplers in the Toronto area is True North, and he charges $750+350 for paint, so that's a lot. I guess a smaller package would be convenient, but if it doesn't reduce the per-trip fees, it would never pay for itself. I've seen that bike box rental ad, might look more closely at it. The Serfas boxes that AC recommends are not exactly cheap. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:57:18 AM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote: There is a guy on the Toronto CL that advertises renting out bike cases for traveling but have no idea if your bike would fit. At least your bike will be protected. I have traveled with a fabric bag to carry my bike and though it survived the bag didn't. I would never do it again the stress is too much. I have also used a cardboard box for a tour once and had to discard the box as I rode right from the airport. Then there was the hassle of getting another box for traveling home. Cost wise, for example Air Canada charges $35 for your second bag and $100 if it your third. Plus there is a charge of $50 for each portion of the journey because it is a bike. Then you have to be careful that Air Canada is actually the plane you are using and not another Star Alliance carrier because their charges can be different even thought you paid Air Canada for the ticket. So it is at least $85 each way if you have one other piece of luggage if you fly economy. First class different story. If you rent a case then add that on. Do that twice a year and you may rethink S and S couplers. My wife works for an airline, I essentially travel the world for next to nothing and I had visions of bringing a bike with me so I bought us both Bromptons. The Brompton rides like crap, might as well just rent a bike at my destination. If I was doing another cycling vacation and was only doing it once in a while I would go the bike case route and pay the charges. If I was taking my bike somewhere twice a year, I would seriously think S S couplers. Only my opinion. Others will chime in because there are plenty of people who travel with their bikes and have no problems. The benefits greatly outweigh the hassles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
I have the original Carradice Bagman Sport, but I have saddle loops. My bike is the one on the right: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/11559341344/ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:02:43 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: I looked at just installing some loops onto the saddle rails, Velo Orange sells some for just this purpose. However, the bottom attachment point says to attach it to the seatpost. That doesn't seem like it's going to work very well. I don't want any sort of interference with my legs while pedaling, so getting it away from my backside is a bit of a priority. I was considering this setup. It is quite ugly, but seems like it would be effective: http://www.wiggle.com/carradice-bagman-2-sport-support-bag-mount-qr/ Rivendell sells the R-14 rear rack, which seems like it would work fine for the purpose, and looks pretty, but it costs more than twice as much. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r14.htm Any thoughts? I do have some regular old racks just lying around too. That might be a cheaper fix. Just have to dig through the boxes in the garage to find one... Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
Hope your daughter's OK. Wet roots and anything short of metal spikes don't get along well. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:27:24 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote: It was just about perfect here in Charlottesville. Perhaps 55? Warm, in any case. I got two rides in. The first with my son and the Hunq http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11693630095/ and then another later in the day alone on my Terraferma http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11696893076/in/photostream/. My son, daughter and I went out this morning--very different: low 30s and overcast. My almost 8 year old learned the hard way about wet roots and mountain bikes--they don't like each other. Happy new year all! Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
You should chat with the SS folks about packing a frame that large - they've got a huge database of how bikes of all sizes pack up. That way you can decide if you want to do it. I have two SS bikes, and it is SO worth it. Granted, I haven't gone anywhere that I have wanted to ditch the case. The one time we did a 10 day bike tour in Europe, I just put our duffels in the case for transport in the van. Pro tip: ensure the cable routing braze-ons are open, so you can completely detach the handlebars from the frame. I have never paid anything beyond second suitcase charges for my bike. Sometimes there was a conversation, but it always resolved in my favor, and to the airline's written policies. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:16:04 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
it's a little more than that - of course lighter wheels and tires accelerate more efficiently - it takes less effort to make the bike get up and go On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:54:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
Girls are often better that way! (Not that I'm biased, with 4) Grin. When in doubt, LCG! With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:00:03 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote: Thanks--she's fine; it was my son who crashed. And he's OK too. My daughter had the sense to walk the section! On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:58:07 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Hope your daughter's OK. Wet roots and anything short of metal spikes don't get along well. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:27:24 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote: It was just about perfect here in Charlottesville. Perhaps 55? Warm, in any case. I got two rides in. The first with my son and the Hunq http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11693630095/ and then another later in the day alone on my Terraferma http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/11696893076/in/photostream/. My son, daughter and I went out this morning--very different: low 30s and overcast. My almost 8 year old learned the hard way about wet roots and mountain bikes--they don't like each other. Happy new year all! Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I'm interested in this limit as well. My bikes have 58/59cm top tubes. Our custom size Java 29er tandem is about as long as Co-Motion could make and still get into a case in three pieces, with the longest top tube section 62cm. Let us know if you take it up with your installer. Ed On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:26:18 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the SS box. I haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like it might be a no-go. KJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Great topic. I’ve had good and bad experiences traveling with bikes, mostly associated with being charged for putting a bike on a plane. I’ve traveled with a bike three ways: 1) With a folding and disassembled Dahon Speed Pro that fits (with some practice) in a standard-sized suitcase. Never a problem, but it’s a hassle to get it in and out of the case. I have never been charged for putting this on a plane. 2) With a slightly larger folding Dahon Smooth Hound that fits easily into a case that’s a few inches over the maximum size for “oversized luggage” (but below the 50-pound weight limit that most airlines use). In some cases, the baggage handlers or ticket counter staff take the case (which looks like a really big suitcase—no bicycle pictures on it) and put it on the conveyor. In others, the person accepting baggage gets out the tape measure and I know I’m about to be charged for oversized baggage. On a recent trip from Sacramento to Portland, this bike flew free on the way up, and I paid $75 on the way back. In my experience, it all comes down to how much of a stickler the person at the counter is. The guys accepting baggage outside the terminal seem to care less about a few inches of excess size, but that’s not a sure thing. 3) With a regular bike inside an Iron Case. I’ve flown around the US and to France twice this way without any problems. Downside is of course the cost—no getting a bike case on the plane without paying—and the need to have ground transport at the other end with the capacity for something this large. The airline I usually use (Southwest) now charges $75 per leg, which adds $150 to each trip. My personal calculation, based on the number of times I fly each year, doesn’t make it pencil out to get an SS-coupled frame. I’ve been hunting around my local thrift store for a large, used suitcase that I could squeeze the Dahon Smooth Hound into. That would solve many of my problems—it’s a good bike that rides almost as well as a standard bike, and if I could fly with it for free it would be worth it. --Eric Norris Email: campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
Thanks, Jan, always a treat to read your blog posts, for the insights and clear writing. I'm sharing this with several skinny friends who often comment on the girth (ahem) of my tires (33.33mm JackBrowns, both colours, on different bikes). - Andrew, Berkeley On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:21:53 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
I agree with you that it feels that way. The math says that it's a tiny difference, though. For example, accelerate from 0 to 30kph. Do that with light wheels and calculate the energy it takes to get your body+bike moving that speed, and add the energy it takes to spin up those light wheels. Then do the same calculation for heavy wheels, say 1000g heavier. The math says it's about 2% easier to spin up light wheels from 0 to 30kph than it would if your wheel were a full 1kg heavier. That's cold hard math. You and I both know that wheels a full 1000g lighter FEEL way faster than 1 or 2%, but there you are. Try and measure it in a test scenario and it would be extremely difficult to do. If you have a reference to measurements of improved braking distance as a function of wheel weight I'd be really interested to see it. Here's a site that does the accelleration calculations for dozens of wheels, if you are curious. http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-15988284.html The author is making the point that lighter wheels are absolutely necessary to win at racing, particularly because of the ~2% improvement. The math would suggest that decelleration during braking would have exactly the same ~2% improvement. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:09:00 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: it's a little more than that - of course lighter wheels and tires accelerate more efficiently - it takes less effort to make the bike get up and go On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:54:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's
On 01/02/2014 10:37 AM, Jim Cloud wrote: Hi Steve, How do you like your Berthoud saddle (I guess it's an Aspin model) versus the Brook B.17 you had on your Saluki? I like them both. The saddle that was on the Saluki is on my Kogswell P/R touring bike now (the seat rails on the old B.17 that was on that bike snapped while on a ride last year). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
How does one like me account for rocks in the head, which I suspect more than negates any advantages of a lighter tire? Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:25:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I agree with you that it feels that way. The math says that it's a tiny difference, though. For example, accelerate from 0 to 30kph. Do that with light wheels and calculate the energy it takes to get your body+bike moving that speed, and add the energy it takes to spin up those light wheels. Then do the same calculation for heavy wheels, say 1000g heavier. The math says it's about 2% easier to spin up light wheels from 0 to 30kph than it would if your wheel were a full 1kg heavier. That's cold hard math. You and I both know that wheels a full 1000g lighter FEEL way faster than 1 or 2%, but there you are. Try and measure it in a test scenario and it would be extremely difficult to do. If you have a reference to measurements of improved braking distance as a function of wheel weight I'd be really interested to see it. Here's a site that does the accelleration calculations for dozens of wheels, if you are curious. http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-15988284.html The author is making the point that lighter wheels are absolutely necessary to win at racing, particularly because of the ~2% improvement. The math would suggest that decelleration during braking would have exactly the same ~2% improvement. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:09:00 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: it's a little more than that - of course lighter wheels and tires accelerate more efficiently - it takes less effort to make the bike get up and go On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:54:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.netwrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
People like you, Patrick, who are apt to lighten your mind with light and playful thoughts, more than counteract the cargo. I bet you hardly notice. Grinly grin. Bill On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:37:36 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: How does one like me account for rocks in the head, which I suspect more than negates any advantages of a lighter tire? Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:25:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I agree with you that it feels that way. The math says that it's a tiny difference, though. For example, accelerate from 0 to 30kph. Do that with light wheels and calculate the energy it takes to get your body+bike moving that speed, and add the energy it takes to spin up those light wheels. Then do the same calculation for heavy wheels, say 1000g heavier. The math says it's about 2% easier to spin up light wheels from 0 to 30kph than it would if your wheel were a full 1kg heavier. That's cold hard math. You and I both know that wheels a full 1000g lighter FEEL way faster than 1 or 2%, but there you are. Try and measure it in a test scenario and it would be extremely difficult to do. If you have a reference to measurements of improved braking distance as a function of wheel weight I'd be really interested to see it. Here's a site that does the accelleration calculations for dozens of wheels, if you are curious. http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-15988284.html The author is making the point that lighter wheels are absolutely necessary to win at racing, particularly because of the ~2% improvement. The math would suggest that decelleration during braking would have exactly the same ~2% improvement. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:09:00 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: it's a little more than that - of course lighter wheels and tires accelerate more efficiently - it takes less effort to make the bike get up and go On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:54:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.netwrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Eric, what does Dahon say about putting the Rock Hound in the Samsonite case Bike Friday sells? http://store.bikefriday.com/product_info.php?cPath=46products_id=10966 We have these cases from our Friday purchases and use one of them when we travel with the tandem. The Samsonite is more rectangular which allows us to drop in the front section of our tandem without removing the tall fork. We spread the tandem frame over three cases, this one and two SS cases (which get one wheel each) and stuff them with clothes that would take up our third suitcase. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:14:42 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote: Great topic. I’ve had good and bad experiences traveling with bikes, mostly associated with being charged for putting a bike on a plane. I’ve traveled with a bike three ways: 1) With a folding and disassembled Dahon Speed Pro that fits (with some practice) in a standard-sized suitcase. Never a problem, but it’s a hassle to get it in and out of the case. I have never been charged for putting this on a plane. 2) With a slightly larger folding Dahon Smooth Hound that fits easily into a case that’s a few inches over the maximum size for “oversized luggage” (but below the 50-pound weight limit that most airlines use). In some cases, the baggage handlers or ticket counter staff take the case (which looks like a really big suitcase—no bicycle pictures on it) and put it on the conveyor. In others, the person accepting baggage gets out the tape measure and I know I’m about to be charged for oversized baggage. On a recent trip from Sacramento to Portland, this bike flew free on the way up, and I paid $75 on the way back. In my experience, it all comes down to how much of a stickler the person at the counter is. The guys accepting baggage outside the terminal seem to care less about a few inches of excess size, but that’s not a sure thing. 3) With a regular bike inside an Iron Case. I’ve flown around the US and to France twice this way without any problems. Downside is of course the cost—no getting a bike case on the plane without paying—and the need to have ground transport at the other end with the capacity for something this large. The airline I usually use (Southwest) now charges $75 per leg, which adds $150 to each trip. My personal calculation, based on the number of times I fly each year, doesn’t make it pencil out to get an SS-coupled frame. I’ve been hunting around my local thrift store for a large, used suitcase that I could squeeze the Dahon Smooth Hound into. That would solve many of my problems—it’s a good bike that rides almost as well as a standard bike, and if I could fly with it for free it would be worth it. --Eric Norris Email: campyo...@me.com javascript: Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
No. I've got bar ends or DT's on my bikes, but my wife's bike has an old SunTour thumbie on the inside (I used the left shifter on the inside of the right) and I thought it may be awkward as well, but it's not. No more than pulling it back when it's placed towards the top anyway. Best, Eric That looks like it would work well pushing down with the thumb but be awkward when pulling up. No? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I would have to check. My guess is that this is a bit too small for the Smooth Hound, which has a more standard-looking frame than some of their other folders and doesn’t fold into as small a package. The Smooth Hound is no longer made, but this Dahon looks basically the same: http://dahon.com/mainnav/folding-bikes/single-view/bike/dash_p18-1.html Mine came with mustache bars, which I changed out with standard drop bars (which take up a little more space). --Eric Norris Email: campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:47 AM, dailyrandonneur eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, what does Dahon say about putting the Rock Hound in the Samsonite case Bike Friday sells? http://store.bikefriday.com/product_info.php?cPath=46products_id=10966 We have these cases from our Friday purchases and use one of them when we travel with the tandem. The Samsonite is more rectangular which allows us to drop in the front section of our tandem without removing the tall fork. We spread the tandem frame over three cases, this one and two SS cases (which get one wheel each) and stuff them with clothes that would take up our third suitcase. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:14:42 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote: Great topic. I’ve had good and bad experiences traveling with bikes, mostly associated with being charged for putting a bike on a plane. I’ve traveled with a bike three ways: 1) With a folding and disassembled Dahon Speed Pro that fits (with some practice) in a standard-sized suitcase. Never a problem, but it’s a hassle to get it in and out of the case. I have never been charged for putting this on a plane. 2) With a slightly larger folding Dahon Smooth Hound that fits easily into a case that’s a few inches over the maximum size for “oversized luggage” (but below the 50-pound weight limit that most airlines use). In some cases, the baggage handlers or ticket counter staff take the case (which looks like a really big suitcase—no bicycle pictures on it) and put it on the conveyor. In others, the person accepting baggage gets out the tape measure and I know I’m about to be charged for oversized baggage. On a recent trip from Sacramento to Portland, this bike flew free on the way up, and I paid $75 on the way back. In my experience, it all comes down to how much of a stickler the person at the counter is. The guys accepting baggage outside the terminal seem to care less about a few inches of excess size, but that’s not a sure thing. 3) With a regular bike inside an Iron Case. I’ve flown around the US and to France twice this way without any problems. Downside is of course the cost—no getting a bike case on the plane without paying—and the need to have ground transport at the other end with the capacity for something this large. The airline I usually use (Southwest) now charges $75 per leg, which adds $150 to each trip. My personal calculation, based on the number of times I fly each year, doesn’t make it pencil out to get an SS-coupled frame. I’ve been hunting around my local thrift store for a large, used suitcase that I could squeeze the Dahon Smooth Hound into. That would solve many of my problems—it’s a good bike that rides almost as well as a standard bike, and if I could fly with it for free it would be worth it. --Eric Norris Email: campyo...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You
[RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
Too complicated for me ... lol... too many intangibles . I'll just stick to riding :) (When the weather warms up that is ) On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:41:09 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: again, rolling resistance is contact patch and rubber characteristics (compound, tread). Weight is inertia and is felt in acceleration/deceleration. Weight doesn't hurt you going downhill, as I'm often able to demonstrate - I'm 6'3 and 215 lbs. when lean. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Helium filled tires! Great idea, Bill! Grinly grin. I like that too. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:43:19 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: People like you, Patrick, who are apt to lighten your mind with light and playful thoughts, more than counteract the cargo. I bet you hardly notice. Grinly grin. Bill On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:37:36 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: How does one like me account for rocks in the head, which I suspect more than negates any advantages of a lighter tire? Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:25:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I agree with you that it feels that way. The math says that it's a tiny difference, though. For example, accelerate from 0 to 30kph. Do that with light wheels and calculate the energy it takes to get your body+bike moving that speed, and add the energy it takes to spin up those light wheels. Then do the same calculation for heavy wheels, say 1000g heavier. The math says it's about 2% easier to spin up light wheels from 0 to 30kph than it would if your wheel were a full 1kg heavier. That's cold hard math. You and I both know that wheels a full 1000g lighter FEEL way faster than 1 or 2%, but there you are. Try and measure it in a test scenario and it would be extremely difficult to do. If you have a reference to measurements of improved braking distance as a function of wheel weight I'd be really interested to see it. Here's a site that does the accelleration calculations for dozens of wheels, if you are curious. http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-15988284.html The author is making the point that lighter wheels are absolutely necessary to win at racing, particularly because of the ~2% improvement. The math would suggest that decelleration during braking would have exactly the same ~2% improvement. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:09:00 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: it's a little more than that - of course lighter wheels and tires accelerate more efficiently - it takes less effort to make the bike get up and go On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:54:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. Yes, many riders agree with you that you can feel a difference. The testing has shown that you can't measure it, though. Lighter tires feel faster without actually being faster, according to the data. Since most of us ride for enjoyment, and many of us enjoy feeling fast, then it's probably good enough to feel faster on lighter tires, even though we'd actually be faster on wider tires. Jan admitted the same effect. Even he is fooled into 'feeling' faster on skinnier tires. He can't leave it at that, though. He has to go measure it, and found his feelings deceived him. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48:35 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Jim has done a very good job here by comparing different widths in essentially the same high-quality tire - there is no significant weight difference here. Throwing out a data point, my buddy's Tournado on Dahon-specific 35mm Schalwalbe's rolls every bit as efficiently as my Moser on 27-rear/ 25-front Challenge tubies (both bikes on American Classic hubs). A good soft tire with high tpi casing will have a spherical contact patch, while a skinny hard high pressure tire will have an oval contact patch of essentially the same area, so there is little difference in that effect on rolling resistance. There is a good argument that a heavier tire with low rolling resistance will go just as fast a lighter tire - while that's true, the lighter tire/wheel has less inertia, so it accelerates easier and brakes much better - these things you can feel. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12:10 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Where does tire weight factor in to all this? I personally find lighter tires to be faster for the most part, whether they're 23mm or 38mm (the widths I am running on my Paul Taylor and Rivendell respectively). On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.netwrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Jan: I see analogues to the logic behind wider tires and the logic behind making that leap to dynamo lighting (which I think is something you've said before). And of course nothing I say will be particularly controversial to readers of this list, so: I want to go as fast as anyone else, but I also want to go more places more times. Dynamo lighting opens up the night, so I get more time to ride without worrying about being stranded somewhere with a dead battery. Fatter tires opens up the space, so I get more places to ride without thinking, hrm, this is a bit rough and unpleasant. I particularly like this passage: Most of all, you’ll be enticed to go on small roads that have great scenery and little traffic – roads you might have avoided with narrow tires because the pavement tends to be rough. With more comfortable tires, you can even enjoy roads with no pavement at all! cc On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Even though most RBW folks may not care all that much about going fast, it's still nice to know that a wider tire doesn't roll any slower. We summarized the data in our blog here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/tires-how-wide-is-too-wide/ If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Happy New Year! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?
Bad writing. Only one crash...New Years eve day. So far unscathed in 2014. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:13:51 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/01/2014 10:16 PM, rob markwardt wrote: Today was 45 degrees in Seattle (isn't it always?) I crashed the Bleriot yesterday and since my crashes seem to come is twos, today I headed for a spot with softer landing...75 minutes on the trails of Woodland Park on my now 30 year old Ross Mountain bike (made it without incident). Slippery corner taken too fast took me down..funny but I could see it coming (unfortunately too late to do anything). My 16 year old Seiko got the worst of it but I have similar looking scrapes in my skin on all left side contact points (ankle, knee, hip, knuckle,and shoulder). The last thing to hit the ground (my melon) came out fine due to my helmet. (promise...first, last, only helmet post of the year). I don't think I would have died or anything but I'm pretty confident I'd have been feeling quite a bit different these last two day. Here's to a safe 2014. You crashed yesterday, then set out today to crash again and succeeded? Ouch X 2! I hope that satisfies your quota for the year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
You've thought of a couple of the unintended consequences of traveling with a bike. Remember you need the box for the return trip. While it seems quite practical, putting together a bike at the airport after a long distance flight is nothing I would ever attempt. I'm too dingy at that point to have much chance of doing it right, plus all the other assorted hassles of the airport. If you are doing a loop ride and flying back out of the same airport, use a cab or shuttle to get you your bike to lodging. They usually have large enough vehicles to carry the bike. If you arrange it in advance, you can find a place to store the box while you are on your trip. If you are doing a point-to-point, it gets a bit tricky. Here you'll want a disposable box (scrounged from your LBS) for the outbound leg and arrange with a bike shop at the end of your trip for a box for the return. Hopefully since your flying some distance it will be a big airport in a major city with bike shops. If you are flying in someplace, then renting a car to get out to the start of the bike portion, the parts of the bike (frame, wheels, etc) are easier to get in a rental car than the boxed bike. Cars with conventional trunks don't hold much are awkwardly shaped for large objects like bikes. Vans are the answer but also expensive and in high demand during vacation season. What if the bike is only part of the trip? Now you're in a pickle. As agile as a bike may be when ridden, it's a huge anchor to drag around if you're not using it. Solutions are renting a bike for the portion you need it (say, 1 week out of a 2-3 week vacation) or arranging to store your own bike some place convenient (and safe!). It's stuff like this that made SS couplers business. I don't have one but have packed an SS equipped bike. It's amazing but that 62 suitcase fills up fast. dougP On Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:29:44 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: Just to tack onto this discussion, what do people do when they get to their destination? Perfect world, unpack the bike and ride from the airport, or taxi to hotel then ride, but what if bike is only part of the trip? How do you manage transporting by rental car? Would like to hear how people manage this in practical terms, i've always wanted to bring a bike but it seems like too much of a hassle. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:26:18 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the SS box. I haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like it might be a no-go. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are
Re: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?
On 01/02/2014 03:20 PM, rob markwardt wrote: Bad writing. Only one crash...New Years eve day. So far unscathed in 2014. I'm happy to hear that, and I hope it stays that way all year. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:13:51 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/01/2014 10:16 PM, rob markwardt wrote: Today was 45 degrees in Seattle (isn't it always?) I crashed the Bleriot yesterday and since my crashes seem to come is twos, today I headed for a spot with softer landing...75 minutes on the trails of Woodland Park on my now 30 year old Ross Mountain bike (made it without incident). Slippery corner taken too fast took me down..funny but I could see it coming (unfortunately too late to do anything). My 16 year old Seiko got the worst of it but I have similar looking scrapes in my skin on all left side contact points (ankle, knee, hip, knuckle,and shoulder). The last thing to hit the ground (my melon) came out fine due to my helmet. (promise...first, last, only helmet post of the year). I don't think I would have died or anything but I'm pretty confident I'd have been feeling quite a bit different these last two day. Here's to a safe 2014. You crashed yesterday, then set out today to crash again and succeeded? Ouch X 2! I hope that satisfies your quota for the year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
The more I think about it, the more of an aversion I'm developing to the idea that many types of trips are possible with a bike. Maybe a folding bike, but not the Ram. Doug, you've pointed out the unpleasant reality that lugging a bike around can be a pain. I think in my case, for my mental well-being, I can only consider simple there-and-back trips that are planned for the purpose of riding. I can envision a trip to SF in my mind, because it will be a cycling destination, and I have somewhere to stay where I can store the bike and the box. I can certainly see a more complicated trip, such as touring across Europe with multiple legs of the journey, turning into a logisitical nightmare. I'm happy stinge-ing it, I think. Renting/borrowing a box for the first time out, and taking the bike I have in its current state, and just eating the fees as part of the trip, makes sense to me. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:12:52 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: You've thought of a couple of the unintended consequences of traveling with a bike. Remember you need the box for the return trip. While it seems quite practical, putting together a bike at the airport after a long distance flight is nothing I would ever attempt. I'm too dingy at that point to have much chance of doing it right, plus all the other assorted hassles of the airport. If you are doing a loop ride and flying back out of the same airport, use a cab or shuttle to get you your bike to lodging. They usually have large enough vehicles to carry the bike. If you arrange it in advance, you can find a place to store the box while you are on your trip. If you are doing a point-to-point, it gets a bit tricky. Here you'll want a disposable box (scrounged from your LBS) for the outbound leg and arrange with a bike shop at the end of your trip for a box for the return. Hopefully since your flying some distance it will be a big airport in a major city with bike shops. If you are flying in someplace, then renting a car to get out to the start of the bike portion, the parts of the bike (frame, wheels, etc) are easier to get in a rental car than the boxed bike. Cars with conventional trunks don't hold much are awkwardly shaped for large objects like bikes. Vans are the answer but also expensive and in high demand during vacation season. What if the bike is only part of the trip? Now you're in a pickle. As agile as a bike may be when ridden, it's a huge anchor to drag around if you're not using it. Solutions are renting a bike for the portion you need it (say, 1 week out of a 2-3 week vacation) or arranging to store your own bike some place convenient (and safe!). It's stuff like this that made SS couplers business. I don't have one but have packed an SS equipped bike. It's amazing but that 62 suitcase fills up fast. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
We ordered our tandem from Bilenkey with SS couplers and haven't regretted it. He's the low cost option for couplers. Since I already had two cases I opted for couplers when I repainted my Trek(62cm) converted it to 650b. Learning to pack takes some practice but the travel is hassle free. I looked at all the crate options for a long time and decided against, but in the process learned about shipbikes.com. I used them to ship my frame to Bilenky and found it to be much cheaper than any other alternative, and really easy too. If I were making a long trip I would consider shipping my tandem with them and not worrying about schlepping to the airport or worrying about transfers and damage. They also sell what look like good reusable cardboard boxes. Michael On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Hey don't forget: If you're staying in the Continental US, you can SHIP your bike via Amtrak, even if you're not taking the train. cc On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: We ordered our tandem from Bilenkey with SS couplers and haven't regretted it. He's the low cost option for couplers. Since I already had two cases I opted for couplers when I repainted my Trek(62cm) converted it to 650b. Learning to pack takes some practice but the travel is hassle free. I looked at all the crate options for a long time and decided against, but in the process learned about shipbikes.com. I used them to ship my frame to Bilenky and found it to be much cheaper than any other alternative, and really easy too. If I were making a long trip I would consider shipping my tandem with them and not worrying about schlepping to the airport or worrying about transfers and damage. They also sell what look like good reusable cardboard boxes. Michael On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel. If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend them. Ed Washington, DC On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in Toronto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?
Too busy to ride on the 1st but got out today on the fat bike. 10 degrees with a windchill of -8. Just rode around the pathways and green space north of my house--played around on the sledding hill, and bounced over logs and through snow drifts. Fun, but four miles was enough... Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Bill Fulford bill.fulfor...@gmail.comwrote: Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Joy and liveliness both both exist in the imaginative realm - not readily subject to mathematical measurement. Michael BTW, still 10 below here. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
It's hard to say, Michael: You can't climb a fire road in 23mm tires no matter how quickly you accelerate. :) On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Joy and liveliness both both exist in the imaginative realm - not readily subject to mathematical measurement. Michael BTW, still 10 below here. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
On 01/02/2014 05:20 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Really? If you are maintaining a constant speed (i.e., velocity) then the rate of change of the velocity (which is the definition of accelleration) must be zero, right? I don't see any measure of slope in the equation or the definition. I think the real questions here are: can you actually feel a 1 lb difference, and does a 1 lb difference in weight make a measurable difference in climbing performance. A rough way to test this would be to do the ride with, and without, a full water bottle. Now this may be just that I make a poor princess, not being able to notice the pea and all, but I've never felt the bike to ride any different when I have full vs empty water bottles, and that's considerably more than a 1 lb weight difference; and I suspect that there's enough natural variation in my power level that adding or removing 1 lb would be unnoticeable among the random fluctuation. But then, perhaps my proprioception isn't any better than my pea-detecting skills, and other more refined, better-bred and highly tuned observers might notice things that I do not... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
I'm doing an Alba cockpit on my father's Windsor. His bike came stock with the oldschool Suntour Barcons, so I'm going to re-use them, and those can only be used as barcons. I have thumbie bases and a bunch of friction DT shifters to play with if I decide I don't like the barcons. This thread showed several cute configurations, so thanks to everyone for that. One curiously ironic bit is that I'm a big fan of semi-recent Shimano reverse pull rear derailers. Pull the cable means higher gear on both the left and the right shifter. I have that set up on two bikes. My Pop's Windsor, however, has a normal-pull Suntour rear derailer and a REVERSE pull Suntour front derailer! So, on my Pop's bike, pull the cable means a lower gear on both shifters. Haha. I'll chuckle about it every time I get on. Promise. Maybe I should swap the left and right shifters to make the reversal complete. :) On Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:31:16 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote: Thanks Shoji. That looks like it would work well pushing down with the thumb but be awkward when pulling up. No? Michael On Sunday, December 29, 2013 3:32:27 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Did you or Pat consider mounting the thumbies so that the shifters are on the inside of the bar? Looks like a few Riv employees have their bikes set up that way. You can see it on the Appaloosa for sale: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-080.htm On Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:49:21 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: OP here. Well this has gone pretty far afield! I gather no one has experience with the Microshift BE's since no one offered any advice. I'm mostly a DT guy with BE's on the tandem so have no experience with thumbies. Here's what Pat thinks she wants. https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2GtnIORGsrsPn It seems to me that as long as the shifter is a bit forward of the brake lever it ought to work fine. But no one on the list offered it up as their choice. Michael On Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:10:52 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Note to self: Offer Garth $25 apiece for his stash of shifters... :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
The biggest factor in tire performance for me *is* me. If I'm feeling good and well rested and it's a beautiful day, I'm fast on $5 worth of swap meet rubber. If I'm grinding out the drudgery after my third flat in the rain, no amount of supple and plush can ever feel fast enough. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
Some interesting thoughts here. A few added thoughts: *Contact patch:* We've been thinking about this. We are lucky today to have numerous tires that have the same casing, so at least we can do a controlled experiment. It is good to be able to explain the data, but it's important to note that the data shows that 25 mm tires are faster than 23 mm. No matter how we explain it (contact patch shape, lower suspension losses, better aerodynamics, whatever), the results won't change. *Light wheels and acceleration/climbing:* The math assumes a constant power output, but we know riders have anything but a constant power output. We pedal at 60-120 rpm, and within each stroke, we have a very distinct power phase. Does this change the equation? For frame stiffness, it certainly does. With constant power, frame stiffness wouldn't matter at all, and planing would not exist. I am not saying that lighter wheels climb better (many of my best times on mountain passes have been on 650B x 42 mm tires), but I would like to caution that the simple math may not be the entire story. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
On 01/02/2014 05:54 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: One curiously ironic bit is that I'm a big fan of semi-recent Shimano reverse pull rear derailers. Pull the cable means higher gear on both the left and the right shifter. I have that set up on two bikes. My Pop's Windsor, however, has a normal-pull Suntour rear derailer and a REVERSE pull Suntour front derailer! So, on my Pop's bike, pull the cable means a lower gear on both shifters. Haha. I'll chuckle about it every time I get on. Promise. Maybe I should swap the left and right shifters to make the reversal complete. :) You won't be chuckling when your now-confused reflexes cause you to do the exactly wrong thing when you're not paying attention. I used to be a big fan of the reverse pull SunTour front derailleurs, used them for 20 years on all my bikes. Then, 23 years ago I switched. Every so often even now I still go the wrong way and end up going to the granny when I meant to go to the big ring. And you're destined for that same sort of error, and for the same reason: just as the SunTour backwards fronts went out of production and eventually failed in service, Shimano has, I understand, discontinued their ass-backwards MTB rear derailleurs. So down the road, when those reflexes have been thoroughly implanted, you inevitably will be forced to change back again. You are doomed. :-) Imagine how it used to be before the location of the brake and gas pedals became standardized... Oops just doesn't begin to cover it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
You are doomed. :-) It was you who guaranteed I was doomed the last time I talked up my reverse pull Shimano derailers. At least this time you included a smiley. Wanna guess how many spare rear derailers I have? It's a big number. I just bought three more a couple weeks back on blowout from an online retailer, and I thought of you (take THIS, Steve!). I'm thinking my current stock will probably outlive me. ;-) On Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:33:20 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 05:54 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: One curiously ironic bit is that I'm a big fan of semi-recent Shimano reverse pull rear derailers. Pull the cable means higher gear on both the left and the right shifter. I have that set up on two bikes. My Pop's Windsor, however, has a normal-pull Suntour rear derailer and a REVERSE pull Suntour front derailer! So, on my Pop's bike, pull the cable means a lower gear on both shifters. Haha. I'll chuckle about it every time I get on. Promise. Maybe I should swap the left and right shifters to make the reversal complete. :) You won't be chuckling when your now-confused reflexes cause you to do the exactly wrong thing when you're not paying attention. I used to be a big fan of the reverse pull SunTour front derailleurs, used them for 20 years on all my bikes. Then, 23 years ago I switched. Every so often even now I still go the wrong way and end up going to the granny when I meant to go to the big ring. And you're destined for that same sort of error, and for the same reason: just as the SunTour backwards fronts went out of production and eventually failed in service, Shimano has, I understand, discontinued their ass-backwards MTB rear derailleurs. So down the road, when those reflexes have been thoroughly implanted, you inevitably will be forced to change back again. You are doomed. :-) Imagine how it used to be before the location of the brake and gas pedals became standardized... Oops just doesn't begin to cover it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
I have to say that, whether it be psychological or physical, I've consistently* found that my sub 18 lb gofast with very light wheels seems to let me turn the cranks more easily in a higher gear (75) on the same hills where the same cadence feels slower or seems to require more effort in a lower gear (67 to 70) on bikes with heavier wheels, including, oddly, the Ram with Parigi Roubaix. The tires on the have been 650C 200 gram Grand Prixs and, recently, slighly sub 200 gram 23 mm Pro Race 3s. Smooth roads. *Consistently, ie over the almost 14 years I've owned the gofast, and measured against many different bikes. So much has this been so that, on the many, many times I've thought to convert the gofast to something more useful -- wider tires, rack, lights -- it takes only one more hilly ride to remind me that I love the way this bike feels on hills. (By the way, I have no desire to take this bike on dirt roads. I have three other bikes that can to varying degrees handle dirt roads.) It may well be only a feeling, but it is a very persistent and consistent feeling. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Joy and liveliness both both exist in the imaginative realm - not readily subject to mathematical measurement. Michael BTW, still 10 below here. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
Sure you can, though I personally don't care to do so. I know several people, including my brother, who take racing bikes with 23 mm tires on fire roads. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: It's hard to say, Michael: You can't climb a fire road in 23mm tires no matter how quickly you accelerate. :) On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.comwrote: For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Joy and liveliness both both exist in the imaginative realm - not readily subject to mathematical measurement. Michael BTW, still 10 below here. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
My Foy-riding 25-year old told me she chased a bus for eight blocks in minus ten weather before catching it for a ride the rest of the way. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:38:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Fulford wrote: Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
On 01/02/2014 06:45 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: You are doomed. :-) She left the web, she left the loom, She made three paces thro' the room, She saw the water-lily bloom, She saw the helmet and the plume, She look'd down to Camelot. Out flew the web and floated wide; The mirror crack'd from side to side; The curse is come upon me, cried The Lady of Shalott. It was you who guaranteed I was doomed the last time I talked up my reverse pull Shimano derailers. And that's a better guarantee than you'll get with most any other bike parts these days! At least this time you included a smiley. Wanna guess how many spare rear derailers I have? It's a big number. I just bought three more a couple weeks back on blowout from an online retailer, and I thought of you (take THIS, Steve!). I'm thinking my current stock will probably outlive me. ;-) I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't lay in a stock of 9 speed bar end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
On 01/02/2014 06:55 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Sure you can, though I personally don't care to do so. I know several people, including my brother, who take racing bikes with 23 mm tires on fire roads. People have successfully completed the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee on 23mm tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
This is interesting. I climb as much standing as sitting, and always at low rpm, high torque cadences. And it is precisely when I stand that the gofast feels fastest and liveliest. Again, this is consistent over 10+ years. Consistently too, on certain types of rides, for example, often when doing mildly rolling, typical suburban route with many stops and starts and no need to stand except for startups, the gofast often feels slower than other bikes. I do plan to replace the Michelin Pro Race 3 23s with 25s as soon as I get the cash. But the 23s are very supple, as were the old 559X1 Turbos. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Some interesting thoughts here. A few added thoughts: *Light wheels and acceleration/climbing:* The math assumes a constant power output, but we know riders have anything but a constant power output. We pedal at 60-120 rpm, and within each stroke, we have a very distinct power phase. Does this change the equation? For frame stiffness, it certainly does. With constant power, frame stiffness wouldn't matter at all, and planing would not exist. I am not saying that lighter wheels climb better (many of my best times on mountain passes have been on 650B x 42 mm tires), but I would like to caution that the simple math may not be the entire story. Ja -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
My brother is well north of 200 lb, too -- not fat, but 6'2 and muscular and bigger in build than I. He has very, very, *very* good bike handling skills -- I've tried keeping up with him on fast, twisting, very bumpy, gravel downhills, mountain bikes with the usual knobbies -- and doubtless that helps him avoid destroying tires and rims. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 01/02/2014 06:55 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Sure you can, though I personally don't care to do so. I know several people, including my brother, who take racing bikes with 23 mm tires on fire roads. People have successfully completed the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee on 23mm tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?
Clearly, you and Mary raised her right! cheers, Andrew From: grant grant...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:57 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride? My Foy-riding 25-year old told me she chased a bus for eight blocks in minus ten weather before catching it for a ride the rest of the way. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:38:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Fulford wrote: Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
That's the same Tennyson poem you quoted the last time, also. You are consistent. I've got a pile of 9-speed chains, and I'm in the process of storing up 9-speed cassettes. Whenever I need to make a minimum for free shipping I add a cassette. I've got one bike with Dura Ace 10 speed ft der, r der, and DT shifters. Shimano barely waved at 10 before steaming on to 11, so I bought a spare R der, ft der and DT shifters for that bike. That investment kind of stung. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:00:06 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 06:45 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: You are doomed. :-) She left the web, she left the loom, She made three paces thro' the room, She saw the water-lily bloom, She saw the helmet and the plume, She look'd down to Camelot. Out flew the web and floated wide; The mirror crack'd from side to side; The curse is come upon me, cried The Lady of Shalott. It was you who guaranteed I was doomed the last time I talked up my reverse pull Shimano derailers. And that's a better guarantee than you'll get with most any other bike parts these days! At least this time you included a smiley. Wanna guess how many spare rear derailers I have? It's a big number. I just bought three more a couple weeks back on blowout from an online retailer, and I thought of you (take THIS, Steve!). I'm thinking my current stock will probably outlive me. ;-) I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't lay in a stock of 9 speed bar end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
I love, love,love the ProRace3's on my go-fast bike! I just wish I had room under the front fork for a 25. Even the 23 barely fits. it's crazy. And it's a steel fork, go figure. Whoever designed this fork was clearly not very forward thinking. I was looking at replacement forks online with a proper fork crown and clearance for 28s with fenders, or 32s without. Reason I mention the 28 is that the ProRace 2/3/4 25mm tires often measure closer to 28mm installed. On a recent thread on a tandem forum one owner showed a digital caliper measurement of 27.9mm on a 25mm Pro4 Endurance. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: This is interesting. I climb as much standing as sitting, and always at low rpm, high torque cadences. And it is precisely when I stand that the gofast feels fastest and liveliest. Again, this is consistent over 10+ years. Consistently too, on certain types of rides, for example, often when doing mildly rolling, typical suburban route with many stops and starts and no need to stand except for startups, the gofast often feels slower than other bikes. I do plan to replace the Michelin Pro Race 3 23s with 25s as soon as I get the cash. But the 23s are very supple, as were the old 559X1 Turbos. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Some interesting thoughts here. A few added thoughts: *Light wheels and acceleration/climbing:* The math assumes a constant power output, but we know riders have anything but a constant power output. We pedal at 60-120 rpm, and within each stroke, we have a very distinct power phase. Does this change the equation? For frame stiffness, it certainly does. With constant power, frame stiffness wouldn't matter at all, and planing would not exist. I am not saying that lighter wheels climb better (many of my best times on mountain passes have been on 650B x 42 mm tires), but I would like to caution that the simple math may not be the entire story. Ja -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Quckbeam For Sale
*Rivendell Quickbeam Frame For Sale* *54 cm (center to top)* This is a great frame but I just don't ride the bike much and need space. I am selling the frame fork with a Tange headset, Sugino cup.cone BB, 27.2 seat post and a pr of Deore XT canti brake calipers. *$1100. including shipping anywhere in the lower 48.* *Andy * *Seattle WA* *206-799-4139* *a...@peakrescue.org a...@peakrescue.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Quckbeam For Sale
Please grow it to a 58. Please! :-) and when you do, grow it in Silver. kthx! On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:33:21 PM UTC-8, Andy Speier wrote: *Rivendell Quickbeam Frame For Sale* *54 cm (center to top)* This is a great frame but I just don't ride the bike much and need space. I am selling the frame fork with a Tange headset, Sugino cup.cone BB, 27.2 seat post and a pr of Deore XT canti brake calipers. *$1100. including shipping anywhere in the lower 48.* *Andy * *Seattle WA* *206-799-4139* *an...@peakrescue.org javascript:* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
Yes, I could have definitely loosened the cables at the brakes and derailers, but I was very inexperienced at bike maintenance at that point in time. I could change tires pretty well and remove my chain and cassette to clean and re-lube, but that was about it. Derailers, brakes and cables were black magic to me at that point in time. I really wasn't sure where I would go once I got to France if it didn't go back together and shift and brake well. I was going for PBP2007 and not sure of what to expect once I got there. In retrospect, there are quite a few bike shops in France and I'm sure I could have found help had I needed it. I did end up removing the rear derailer. I wrapped pipe insulation around it and ran tape on top of that, then taped the protective cocoon to the seat stay. That worked well, the derailer went right back on when I got to France and shifting was as expected. Unfortunately, when I was over there, something broke that I didn't even mess with. The ratchets on my DT Swiss hub failed about 10KM from the first control. I didn't have a spare set with me. I managed to get another Campy compatible rear wheel and tweaked that one too when it came out of the dropouts when I was pulling away from a stop. I wobbled on through the rain and hills until 412.5 KM at Illyfaut, France where I said to myself this is not fun and caught a ride to Pontivy and ultimately the train back to Paris. Quitting PBP is one of the major regrets of my life and one that I am preparing to go back and rectify in 2015. Anyway...if you are comfortable uninstalling and reinstalling cables and adjusting derailers and brakes, it should be easy for you. The case I used was a hard shell case, I don't remember the name of it now though, sorry. It's been a few years ;) On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jim, thanks for your thoughts. Could you not have just loosened the cables at the brakes and the derailleurs? Getting the handlebars off will definitely be necessary, I think. Air Canada appears to charge $50 each way on flights, which is not too bad. The weight and dimensions limits are also reasonable, so it might be doable, as long as we fly with them. Do you happen to know what box you used? Was it a plastic type hard case jobby? KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:50:22 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: The handlebars were a problem on the 68cm custom that I own, traveling to France and using a hard shell plastic case that I borrowed. There was not enough slack in the shifter and brake cables to remove the threaded stem from the steerer tube. But the bike seemingly would not fit in the box with the handlebars and stem attached to the frame. And the fact that threaded quills only have one bolt for loosening and tightening didn't help; this is one way that threadless is superior. I finally finagled the handlebars in there somehow and used extra straps to keep the thing shut. Knowing what I know now, I would have just removed the barend shifters and disconnected the brake cables. But oh well, youth and inexperience, back in 2007 ;) On the way back to the US, I got a pair of pliers and cut the cables, that made it a lot easier to get the thing in the box. Obviously, I had to have new cables installed before I could ride it again. Another thing I didn't know how to do in 2007... If I knew I was going to ship my bike often, I would get the quick disconnect cables that I have seen on some bikes. I didn't need an SS to make my huge frame and fork fit in a bike box and I don't suspect most other people do, either. If you're not going to be traveling with your bike much, I think just paying the oversize baggage fee makes more sense. It was $110 each way in 2007, little bit of an ouchy but it's much less than installing couplers. I would probably only get SS couplers if I was building a custom tandem, which in my case would be probably near impossible to get on an airplane. Timely question. I need to start thinking about how to get my bike to France in 2015 again (hopefully, anyway). -Jim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'alls, I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit). Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even? At first, I entertained the idea of installing SS couplers on the Ram (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of the chief concerns. Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with various airlines' policies and costs, as well? Thanks! Kieran in
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
where you really feel the difference - and it doesn't have to be 23mm to get a 300-g tire, nor is a 35mm tire necessarily 550g - what I said, where you really feel the difference is spinning up before you tackle that hill On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:20:03 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: For me, climbing is the real difference. There may or may not be a significant (whatever that may be) difference in accelerating a 23mm tire vs a well made 38 (e.g pari moto) and there certainly is not a difference at cruising speeds; but on a long climb where every turn of the pedal is a form of acceleration, it is hard to believe that a 270 gram tire isn't going to feel better than a 540 gram tire. Joy and liveliness both both exist in the imaginative realm - not readily subject to mathematical measurement. Michael BTW, still 10 below here. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/02/2014 09:21 AM, Jan Heine wrote: If anything, it may help persuade those we meet on our rides, who look at our bikes and are intrigued by the idea of a more comfortable bike with wider tires, but are afraid they won't be able to keep up with their friends if they add 5 or 10 mm to their tire width. Or even 2mm (going from 23mm to 25). And then there are the ones who say of someone's 25 lb bike that riding it must be quite a workout -- even when the ride in question has less than 2000' of climbing for 50 miles, with no climbs greater than 10% grade and 120' elevation change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts
I've put the bike back together in the Paris subway and in the Amtrak station in Portland. It really isn't that bad as long as you have a 4, 5 and 6mm allen wrenches handy. It's more of a hassle to drag the bike box around than it is to just put the bike back together. (IMO). I agree with you on the need for a disposable box for point-to-point trips. When I rode the Portland-Glacier 1000K brevet I left the car in Whitefish and took the train overnight to Portland. I wasn't confident that Amtrak would have a big enough box for my bike so I had it packed by the LBS in a makeshift box before I left home, which I then threw in the back of the car for the trip from Austin to Whitefish. I have friends in Portland and I could have probably stored a box no problem but having a disposable box was nice. Once I put the bike back together, I left the remnants of the box by the recycle bin. As for the bike trip being only part of the vacation, I arranged for the hotel at CDG we were staying the last night in France to store my bike box after PBP until it was time to leave for home. I can't guarantee that every hotel will offer this kind of service but it's worth asking about. Storing the bike there lightened the load considerably for our tour of Normandy and Brittany after PBP. Jim On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: You've thought of a couple of the unintended consequences of traveling with a bike. Remember you need the box for the return trip. While it seems quite practical, putting together a bike at the airport after a long distance flight is nothing I would ever attempt. I'm too dingy at that point to have much chance of doing it right, plus all the other assorted hassles of the airport. If you are doing a loop ride and flying back out of the same airport, use a cab or shuttle to get you your bike to lodging. They usually have large enough vehicles to carry the bike. If you arrange it in advance, you can find a place to store the box while you are on your trip. If you are doing a point-to-point, it gets a bit tricky. Here you'll want a disposable box (scrounged from your LBS) for the outbound leg and arrange with a bike shop at the end of your trip for a box for the return. Hopefully since your flying some distance it will be a big airport in a major city with bike shops. If you are flying in someplace, then renting a car to get out to the start of the bike portion, the parts of the bike (frame, wheels, etc) are easier to get in a rental car than the boxed bike. Cars with conventional trunks don't hold much are awkwardly shaped for large objects like bikes. Vans are the answer but also expensive and in high demand during vacation season. What if the bike is only part of the trip? Now you're in a pickle. As agile as a bike may be when ridden, it's a huge anchor to drag around if you're not using it. Solutions are renting a bike for the portion you need it (say, 1 week out of a 2-3 week vacation) or arranging to store your own bike some place convenient (and safe!). It's stuff like this that made SS couplers business. I don't have one but have packed an SS equipped bike. It's amazing but that 62 suitcase fills up fast. dougP On Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:29:44 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: Just to tack onto this discussion, what do people do when they get to their destination? Perfect world, unpack the bike and ride from the airport, or taxi to hotel then ride, but what if bike is only part of the trip? How do you manage transporting by rental car? Would like to hear how people manage this in practical terms, i've always wanted to bring a bike but it seems like too much of a hassle. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:26:18 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the SS box. I haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like it might be a no-go. KJ On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote: I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and SS. Every airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static. One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62 linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit. For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used. After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as buying couplers and the SS case. The advantages of SS, in terms of reduced packing hassle and ease of movement
[RBW] SoCal 1414 Ride around San Deigo Bay
Hi, To firm up the details. Meeting Time: Saturday January 4 at 9:00 am Meeting Place: The USS Recruit at Liberty Station San Diego ( http://www.ntclibertystation.com/directions.php#North) Route: Along the San Diego water front including the Silver Strand and a Ferry ride ($4.50) after a stop at Coranado Brewing. Mike you will be missed. Will get you next time. Looking forward to seeing all of you. Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
Carradice sells the quick release clamp seperately from the bagman support. For a Barley that could be perfect even without a rack. http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=rangeproduct_id=87 I wouldn't bother strapping it to the seatpost either. I don't with my much larger Super C and it has never been an issue. Bagman can be finicky. I've got them on 2 bikes and I. have had issues over the years. If I were starting over I would probably try SQR. Carradice is like Riv in terms of supporting their products. They have sent me free spares several times. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Width and Performance
That's good to know; so at least one other person finds them fast. The 650C 23s are really skinny, though -- barely 22 mm on the 19 mm (outside) semi aero rims. The 23s are fine on smooth pavements, and our pavement isn't that bad, at least where I ride, except for the huge expansion cracks due, I guess, to large low-to-high temperature differentials. I have to be careful about those. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: I love, love,love the ProRace3's on my go-fast bike! I just wish I had room under the front fork for a 25. Even the 23 barely fits. it's crazy. And it's a steel fork, go figure. Whoever designed this fork was clearly not very forward thinking. I was looking at replacement forks online with a proper fork crown and clearance for 28s with fenders, or 32s without. Reason I mention the 28 is that the ProRace 2/3/4 25mm tires often measure closer to 28mm installed. On a recent thread on a tandem forum one owner showed a digital caliper measurement of 27.9mm on a 25mm Pro4 Endurance. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: This is interesting. I climb as much standing as sitting, and always at low rpm, high torque cadences. And it is precisely when I stand that the gofast feels fastest and liveliest. Again, this is consistent over 10+ years. Consistently too, on certain types of rides, for example, often when doing mildly rolling, typical suburban route with many stops and starts and no need to stand except for startups, the gofast often feels slower than other bikes. I do plan to replace the Michelin Pro Race 3 23s with 25s as soon as I get the cash. But the 23s are very supple, as were the old 559X1 Turbos. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Some interesting thoughts here. A few added thoughts: *Light wheels and acceleration/climbing:* The math assumes a constant power output, but we know riders have anything but a constant power output. We pedal at 60-120 rpm, and within each stroke, we have a very distinct power phase. Does this change the equation? For frame stiffness, it certainly does. With constant power, frame stiffness wouldn't matter at all, and planing would not exist. I am not saying that lighter wheels climb better (many of my best times on mountain passes have been on 650B x 42 mm tires), but I would like to caution that the simple math may not be the entire story. Ja -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Burque (NM) Resumes that get interviews: http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Fenders and chain stay clearance
On Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:48:43 AM UTC-5, Kevin wrote: Thanks guys. I was sort of against cutting too. I do like the heat gun approach - I'll need to see if there's enough room between the tire. I guess just the fact that the fender sides contact the stays doesn't mean it's wrong (or does it?). I think the snuggness probably decreases fender vibrations on the whole. The dimpling method works well with aluminum fenders because they're malleable. The heat gun approach may work well with the chromoplastics to dimple them, but I've never tried. I did try once to dimple a Bluemels plastic fender that way and permanently distorted the fender in a bad way. I'm gun shy about reshaping plastic now. In cases where I have rubbing interference with the painted frame, I affix a small piece of clear vinyl tape onto the paint to act as a shim at the point of contact. You can't tell they're there. I got the idea from Yakima, who supply their roof rack fairings with little clear stick-on circles to mount on your roof where the little rubber feet rest. Anton Tutter Somerville, MA and Bloomville, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Carradice Barley mounting options for saddle without loops?
Carradice sells loops for saddles without them. I used the SQR system from Carradice and really liked it. There's also the Bagman by Carradice others have mentioned. However you do need a minimum amount of seatpost showing to use the Bagman. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:02:43 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: I looked at just installing some loops onto the saddle rails, Velo Orange sells some for just this purpose. However, the bottom attachment point says to attach it to the seatpost. That doesn't seem like it's going to work very well. I don't want any sort of interference with my legs while pedaling, so getting it away from my backside is a bit of a priority. I was considering this setup. It is quite ugly, but seems like it would be effective: http://www.wiggle.com/carradice-bagman-2-sport-support-bag-mount-qr/ Rivendell sells the R-14 rear rack, which seems like it would work fine for the purpose, and looks pretty, but it costs more than twice as much. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r14.htm Any thoughts? I do have some regular old racks just lying around too. That might be a cheaper fix. Just have to dig through the boxes in the garage to find one... Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
When you're climbing a steep grade, you're not maintaining a constant speed. If you graphed your speed over time, with time on the x-axis, you'd see something resembling a sine wave. But your speedometer may not register a change in speed because its averaging the speed over an integration interval of probably several seconds. In this case I would agree that rotational weight can clearly be felt, much more than static weight. Anton On Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:45:13 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: Really? If you are maintaining a constant speed (i.e., velocity) then the rate of change of the velocity (which is the definition of accelleration) must be zero, right? I don't see any measure of slope in the equation or the definition. I think the real questions here are: can you actually feel a 1 lb difference, and does a 1 lb difference in weight make a measurable difference in climbing performance. A rough way to test this would be to do the ride with, and without, a full water bottle. Now this may be just that I make a poor princess, not being able to notice the pea and all, but I've never felt the bike to ride any different when I have full vs empty water bottles, and that's considerably more than a 1 lb weight difference; and I suspect that there's enough natural variation in my power level that adding or removing 1 lb would be unnoticeable among the random fluctuation. But then, perhaps my proprioception isn't any better than my pea-detecting skills, and other more refined, better-bred and highly tuned observers might notice things that I do not... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
I just HAVE to chime in: I have a reverse pull Shimano derailleur on my Bleriot BUT a standard pull Shimano derailleur on my Bike Friday. I switch between them by (literally) talking to myself about the change when I get on the bike. And I don't make wrong shifts on either bike. On the other hand, when I ride the Bleriot for a few rides and then switch to my bike with brifters, I do reach for the bar end shifters instead of the brifters, even with my hands on the hoods.So - TAKE THAT :)Joan(This has been explained to SP previously)On 01/02/14, Bill Lindsaytapebu...@gmail.com wrote:You are doomed. :-)It was you who guaranteed I was doomed the last time I talked up my reverse pull Shimano derailers. At least this time you included a smiley. Wanna guess how many spare rear derailers I have? It's a big number. I just bought three more a couple weeks back on blowout from an online retailer, and I thought of you (take THIS, Steve!). I'm thinking my current stock will probably outlive me. ;-)On Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:33:20 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:On 01/02/2014 05:54 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: One curiously ironic bit is that I'm a big fan of semi-recent Shimano reverse pull rear derailers. Pull the cable means higher gear on both the left and the right shifter. I have that set up on two bikes. My Pop's Windsor, however, has a normal-pull Suntour rear derailer and a REVERSE pull Suntour front derailer! So, on my Pop's bike, pull the cable means a lower gear on both shifters. Haha. I'll chuckle about it every time I get on. Promise. Maybe I should swap the left and right shifters to make the reversal complete. :)You won't be chuckling when your now-confused reflexes cause you to do the exactly wrong thing when you're not paying attention. I used to be a big fan of the reverse pull SunTour front derailleurs, used them for 20 years on all my bikes. Then, 23 years ago I switched. Every so often even now I still go the wrong way and end up going to the granny when I meant to go to the big ring. And you're destined for that same sort of error, and for the same reason: just as the SunTour backwards fronts went out of production and eventually failed in service, Shimano has, I understand, discontinued their ass-backwards MTB rear derailleurs. So down the road, when those reflexes have been thoroughly implanted, you inevitably will be forced to change back again.You are doomed. :-)Imagine how it used to be before the location of the brake and gas pedals became standardized... Oops just doesn't begin to cover it.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Tire Width and Performance
I don't know. Let's do a thought experiment. Let's assume that the wheels have a very high rotational inertia. Wouldn't that smooth out the sine wave you're talking about? The slowing down part is when rotational potential+kinetic energy gets converted to potential energy against gravity. Using a high rotational inertia will actually help in maintaining speed (to whatever extent it does) and thus create lower amplitude sine waves. On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:05:31 PM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: When you're climbing a steep grade, you're not maintaining a constant speed. If you graphed your speed over time, with time on the x-axis, you'd see something resembling a sine wave. But your speedometer may not register a change in speed because its averaging the speed over an integration interval of probably several seconds. In this case I would agree that rotational weight can clearly be felt, much more than static weight. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I have been using 56% silver and compatible flux to solder the ends of my stainless steal cables. It works pretty well, but the silver does tarnish somewhat after time. Here is a quick/crummy iPhone photo, http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/11721719064/ On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:42:10 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote: So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier pinch marks on them. In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable ends picked up the solder by capillary action. And leave it at that. No pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end. Anyone as persnickety as me? Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albas Thumbies setup
On 01/02/2014 09:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote: I just HAVE to chime in: I have a reverse pull Shimano derailleur on my Bleriot BUT a standard pull Shimano derailleur on my Bike Friday. I switch between them by (literally) talking to myself about the change when I get on the bike. And I don't make wrong shifts on either bike. On the other hand, when I ride the Bleriot for a few rides and then switch to my bike with brifters, I do reach for the bar end shifters instead of the brifters, even with my hands on the hoods. So - TAKE THAT :) Joan (This has been explained to SP previously) It could be that the Bleriot and the Friday are so dramatically different in feel and appearance that context keeps the shifting direction separate and appropriate to the bike in question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Fenders and chain stay clearance
Anton, Where do you find that clear vinyl tape? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering
I'm pro-ferrule. I take great pride in the two spot-on perpendicular crimp marks of equal depth which divide the ferrule into perfect thirds. I often sacrifice two or three early and unsatisfying attempts to the landfill gods in the process. And yet I'll go an easy year plus without washing my bike. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
