that requires a listing for this assembly nor can I find
any listing for something like this.
Any help would be appreciated.
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I've used Erico ESGFP (Easy Snap Grommet for Fire Protection) in the past. Not
sure how large you are trying to go, but they work for 1" CPVC
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Brad,
Thanks for the why.
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I understand that, but, the head making up the distance to the high head is
still a pendent. Just curious why this couldn't apply to the type of
arrangement I'm proposing.
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From
to 36 in., the sprinklers shall be permitted to
be spaced as though the ceiling were flat, provided the obstruction rules and
ceiling pocket rules are observed."
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NFPA 13R 2010 9.2
I believe this applies to 13D as well.
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to respace the
sprinklers and got the calculation to work.
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Good afternoon forum,
I'm looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13 2010
to a floor truss space over 36" using quick response, standard spray sprinklers.
Could anyone tell me if my assumptions are right?
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caulk around the pipe at the
drywall. That being the case, I imagine it would fail horribly without the
penetration(s) being sealed.
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, and other sprinklers) requirements of NFPA 13. Other
rules from NFPA 13 such as sprinklering of combustible concealed spaces, hose
stream demand and water supply duration are not intended to be referenced by
6.7.2.
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suggested. We'll see if that sways either of our
interpretations.
NFPA 13 (2010) - 22.4.1.5 Hydraulic calculations shall extend to the effective
point of the water supply where the characteristics of the water supply are
known.
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When calculating through the fire main supply line to the city water main in
the street. Is it necessary to calculate back to the test hydrant if the city
water main is a circulating main? Or, does NFPA allow calculating to the point
where the fire line connects to the city water main?
TAYLOR
Can the pendent be less than 12" from the main ceiling?
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Buzz through 8.15, especially 8.15.22, for the other areas. But, if your
sprinkler is within the allowable distance to the ceiling, I can't think of a
reason why you would need protection above.
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We had a similar situation and used the Reliable F1RES49 Pendent, which has a
listing of 4”-8” down. Hopefully you have good water.
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Definition/classification aside, I imagine the owner wants the connection to
the water supply so as to monitor the integrity of the standpipe in case some
brass bandit decided the hose valves had to be theirs or someone crashed into
the piping and left it unusable.
-Taylor Schumacher
From
A SSP has a maximum distance of 12" below the ceiling, which you are within.
Even if you wanted to add a level of protection above, the short space would
not allow for a full development of the spray pattern.
Taylor Schumacher
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Have you looked on eBay for the tool?
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the fire truck driving
into the garage. Have I been looking at this wrong?
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in this case, and is where the fire fighting
appurtenances are located.
Thanks,
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NFPA 13 3.3.2 “two bathrooms can be adjacent to each other and are considered
separate rooms, provided they are enclosed with the required level of
construction.”
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are they are quicker to install.
Pros to all flanged is they create a more stable/sturdy connection.
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From: Brian Harris
Sent: Tuesday, Sep
Insurance is recommending OH2
overhead for this area. Do I need to increase my overhead requirements to EH2
for shielded fires even though they're not "combustible" shielded fires?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Taylor Schumacher
Yes, each floor. The key word in the requirement for air venting is system.
Definition of a sprinkler system basically defines a UMC.
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/refills/purges of the system? An air vent,
manual or automatic, isn’t going to purge all of the air out of that system to
begin with. I’m not sure the upfront cost to save that stick of pipe warrants
it.
You might try to encourage the designer/installer to change that piece of pipe
to CPVC…
Taylor
It sounds like an apartment building. If the floors above are CPVC systems,
they wouldn’t require an air vent.
I would argue the use of metal devices in the valve assembly does not
constitute a metallic pipe system.
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Not sure you will find one. How did they attach to the grating? Toggle hangers?
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From: Tom Wellen
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:45 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger
I ran
Not required-at least in 2016 edition. Local code adoptions may exceed that.
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From: tston...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 202
Have you looked at mechanical latching dry valves? The higher the water
pressure, the more force holding the clapper closed.
Victaulic's 768N and Reliable's DDX for instance.
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1 Industria
Todd, if I’m reading this correctly that means you have a safety margin on your
system. That’s a good thing that your system provides more pressure than is
required.
It would be cause for concern if the gauge showed less than required.
Taylor Schumacher
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Sent: Thursday
in the suction piping.
Any thoughts or experiences are greatly appreciated.
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It doesn’t, I’ll look into those options. Thanks for that idea!
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: WFD In Pump Suction Line
Does the panel monitor low
to flow without any alarms or
notifications. It was never a concern about adequate suction pressure.
Thanks for all the responses!
Taylor Schumacher ET
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Those are often the things that people who make suggestions don’t have to
consider.
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Independent reviewer representing the city.
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Just out of curiosity - who does this plan
Ding Ding Ding (pun intended) I think we have a winner.
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If pressure isn’t the issue
requirement for that installation.
For what it's worth, the pipe is traveling in a parking garage.
Taylor Schumacher ET
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this forum is!
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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 11:54 AM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: WFD In Pump Suction Line
Taylor
Every time the jockey pump turns on it will ring the bell? Unless
not reliably work in the manner we are hoping. I am hoping my
pump supplier can walk me through the way that would work when he is back from
vacation.
Taylor Schumacher ET
On Aug 5, 2022, at 4:46 PM, Rick Matsuda wrote:
I’m hope I’m not too late to jump into this conversation. As an old plan
Kyle, I’m not sure how that would alert someone to flowing water, other than
count the water that flowed. What am I missing?
Taylor Schumacher ET
On Aug 5, 2022, at 2:06 PM, Kyle.Montgomery wrote:
Also not free, but what about utilizing a backflow preventer with a detector
assembly
I think your confusions lies here:
Chapter 21 refers to CMDA
Chapter 22 refers to CMSA
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Kyle, those lengths are to be used for 13D calculations. They're allowed
omissions per NFPA 13 2016 23.4.4.8.1 (3).
Taylor Schumacher, ET
From: Kyle.Montgomery
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 9:29 AM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Hydraulic Calculations
the ship in the right direction and progress
is continually the goal. You monitor for weak points and address them as they
come. If you don’t think that things are being done right, it is your
responsibility as the responsible managing employee to correct that.
Taylor Schumacher, ET
On Nov 17
frame buildings.
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates
Todd,
I will check with NFPA.
Given the Choice would
Got it, thanks for the reply. Just wanted to start them off with a supply and a
way for them to purchase in the future.
Thin paper bags it is.
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We all know the rules for what, exactly we need to have for cellophane
sprinkler covers in spray booths. But where in the world can I buy them? Does
everyone just use thin paper bags?
Taylor Schumacher, ET
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Thanks for that. Next question is what is the acceptable way to secure those
cellophane or thin paper bags to the sprinklers?
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w the sprinkler activation is affected. I
thought I ran across something many moons ago where small beams actually aided
the activation of residential sprinklers below those beams but I'd be pretty
tight to the ceiling.
Any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, would be greatly appreciated.
Taylor Schu
will be a nightmare
but I have nothing to fall back on.
Thanks,
Taylor Schumacher
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with Cheech and Chong trying to hide out
underneath there and I think I can say that if you’re army crawling into that
space, it’s even less likely.
Good thoughts and thanks everyone for their input.
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I’d be less worried about the “structural component” aspect. My real fear would
be that I doubt you have the 1” ductwork to apply the 3x rule to beings that
it’s 3” above it.
Taylor Schumacher
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When you cannot apply one of the obstruction rules, it does not mean that there
isn’t an obstruction.
If you think about this scenario the same way you would with sprinklers
directly attached to a pipe, that’s where to start. Look at the 3x rule or
sprinklers on each side.
Taylor Schumacher
which qualifies you to not require sprinklers there,
so I think it meets the intended purpose of that omission. Now to check the
other boxes to omit sprinkler protection below the overhang (storage of
combustibles, etc.).
Taylor Schumacher
From: Matt Grise
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 7:28 AM
hydraulic demand.
Taylor Schumacher
From: Brett Peters
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That's it. Thanks Everyone!
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mm) or 12 in. to 18 in. (300 mm to 450 mm) below
noncombustible and limited-combustible ceilings where listed for such use.
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floor can be
birdcage from the floor below.
When you say joist, do you mean solid dimensional lumber or TJI's, because I'd
avoid stuffing pipe through that like the plague.
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A lot easier to get pipe through there. Just coordinate with other trades about
elevations and installation dates if you're running horizontal. Don't let other
trades install their incompatible products touching your CPVC.
Taylor Schumacher
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preferences, standpipe preferences, and if there’s been any tradeoffs
in the building design.
Better to get the wish list up front.
Taylor Schumacher
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I remember seeing something that says you cannot combine dry system drains
together, but I cannot find it. FWIW, this would be post drum drips.
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Big thanks for that!
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Check with local amendments to the code, I have seen some have 36" in front of
the pump or riser assembly only and some have 36" all sides.
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I'm digging through coupling data sheets and I'm seeing that most are listed
for use in wet and dry systems even when they do not have the gap seal. Is
there a requirement for using gaskets that have this gap seal gasket or is it
more of a best practice thing?
Taylor Schumacher
Thanks Tom!
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Agreed. I saw the dry system approval in multiple coupling data sheets and went
looking in the standard as I thought that was a shall requirement.
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By definitions, an attic is only an attic when the top side is the roof. If
it's in between floors, it's not an attic.
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where this is not allowed.
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Does anyone know of an Electrically Actuated Butterfly Valve for Fire
Protection?
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, the only resolution is to bug the
awesome people over at AFSA Technical Services for an informal interpretation.
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We follow how they are listed. If the 3mm bulbs are spaced at SR, we utilize SR
5mm bulbs for adjacent standard coverage sprinklers.
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by splitting up plans into separate sheets and taking out graphics on
forms.
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u may have to be below that to make sure everything
can drain. If you can coordinate with the attic catwalk, you want it to be
offset of center and you'll hang your main on the side that the catwalk is not
located. Be sure to "restrain" your sprigs as they will be over 4 feet.
T
Seems silly that a threaded female x threaded female fitting in CPVC would even
exist?
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I believe Matt meant to type FM 8-34.
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I have always told people that sprinkler valves require 36" of clearance in
front of them. Now, being challenged, I don't know where I've come up with this
from. Is there a minimum clearance in the codes/standards?
Taylor Schumacher CET
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Thanks for the ammo Mike!
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There's a rule I remember but cannot find for the life of me. When is a hanger
required on the horizontal piping from a standpipe to a hose valve? I believe
it's 18" but cannot justify it.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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