The article make the buzz worldwide, as if there was many
lurkers entrenched and waiting for real news (would be rational).
there is already people prepared to oil the revolution...
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1514-LENR-Cities-to-propose-it-s-project-to-Neuchatel-(Switzerland)
Just a practical question . (serious, I need a number)
is there any statistic about the ratio of physicist who think LENR is not
real?
is there a recent number about the number or peer-reviewed papers, positive
or negative about LENR, eliminating the journal that are dedicated to LENr,
free
me desperate.
there is an epidemy of elephant in living room.
it start to be dangerous.
seriously dangerous.
8(
2013/5/19 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a practical question . (serious, I need a number)
is there any statistic about the ratio
Ask ENEA they claiml to have found the key cristallographic parameter the
decide if an electrod is nearly always working, just often, or quite never :
*http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ViolanteVevolutiona.pdf*
*
*
*
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2013/5/14 DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
yes the silver alloy (anywhere
2013/5/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
thanks for the clear explanation.
Beyond that evident fact, that clearly established existence of one event
is enough to prove it is possible, and that replication is only a
human-factor redundence (against errors, frauds, incompetence, artifacts),
note that the role of impurities seems well known, and probably linked
to crystallography
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?706-DARPA-Navy-Research-Labs-PdD-impurities-amp-LENR
Dominguez:
finding of david to be honest, I relayed.
2013/5/10 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=frsl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.ru%2Fscience%2Ftechnolgies%2F26-04-2013%2F1153327-termo_cold-0%2F%3Fmode%3Dprint
Nice find by Alain Coetmeur, lenr-forum
2013/5/9 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
don't cite semiconductors.
or please re-read the history of the conductance anomalies or Germanium.
One of the many reason that make me accept the LENr papers is Germanium
histpry (and please, read the real history, not the wiki-revisionist
history)
, it is a common pathology
http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf
2013/5/9 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
plate tectonics evidence where overwhelming much before they were
polywater artifact were proven...
LENr is proven, tritium, he4, many factor are studied.
don' use manipulation techniques, it is shameful of someone working in
scientific domain.
I work in corp and I know the techniques.
LENr in hydrides is LENR in hydrides. it is proven, yen not understood.
not new
same result for GMM wave.
maye it have been teste for voodoo fear, and other black sorcery...
people are condemned in court in africa for such induced disease.
soon in EU.
2013/5/9 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/260185.php
Nassim Nicholas taleb in antifragile says that current occidental
organisation try to control risk, so that when it happens it does huge
damage.
He take the debt as one example of increasing sensibility to risk.
optimism is often antifragility, like in emerging countries... there people
may say :
plate tectonics evidence where overwhelming much before they were accepted.
there was explanation for the moving mechanisme decades before.
all what happens is well described by thomas kuhn and nassim nicholas taleb.
about unreliability if you were not illiterate you will know the result of
On another heretical subject, I know a scientist that clearly state at the
end of a conference that he refused to ask his students to help him,
because it could ruin their career...
and the job was only statistical.
any real-life scientist claiming that you can work on cold fusion without
ruining
citing cold fusion as usual example.
Scientific fraud, sloppy science – yes, they happen
http://theconversation.com/scientific-fraud-sloppy-science-yes-they-happen-13948
This is the greatest point that proved me that is was a psychiatric problem.
Not the least student may dare to use that argument seriously.
it is clear it is not an honest critic... or they should get back to the
college, to learn science.
I know that is violent, but i find no excuse for a
what you say remind me what I've learned about markets, risk management.
most of the time financial models are right, but you lose all the cash gain
whan it worked when they get suddenly wrong.
one blackswan lost can kill all the benefit of the chicken farm.
2013/5/6 Edmund Storms
Beside cold fusion problem I would raise that this claim is incoherent with
the work of Thomas Kuhn on scientifc revolutions.
Howevet the claim is coherent with tha work of Nassim Nicholas Taleb that
explain that history is rewritten so that some members of the mainstream
community get the
after reading Thomas Kuhn, Nassim Nicholas taleb, WadeBroad, Roland
Benabou, and after some experience in the backcourt of democracy and
Science, you know that it is a myth...
anyway, with hurts and delays it finally works... with some bloody
revolution regularly.
2013/5/2 Peter Gluck
I agree more with the vision of Kuhn and Taleb, that it is not accident but
structural.
all blackswan, paradigm change, inconvenient anomalies, are treated the
same, for reason that are clear and unavoidable.
today what happened with LENR is described perfectly by Kuhn.
nothing else could have
just to remind that the discussion is getting hard again.
after a quiet period some arguments that state that all is fraud, weak,
impossible...
if some can correct the many wrong arguments, and confirm some real
problems...
like in many similar discussion, all start to be an historical
it seems really fast, after 1 year.
the dose was light, and in Tchernobyl where the kids did drink contaminated
food, it tooks much time, and a rate quite low compared to the population.
need independent checking... and not by NGO who get benefit from hoax.
since now, fear and evacuation have
non destructive is one hypothesis.
regenerative is another.
craters have been observed, transmutation too... maybe the destruction
regenerate the production instead of killing it.
Maybe is a kind of controlled chaos/imperfection the source of LENR, like
it is for some kind of superconduction,
Last public report did not says there was no He4, just that they did not
measure them with XRF separately, and they talk of light element...
The announce of Be and B elements are new, since they were all inside the
light elements
moreover they were testing only the NAE, not all the material
It is a sad story.
This is why I feel that the project of Defkalion to fund research itself to
make theoretical progress is the only kind of solution.
This is a chicken and egg problem, because industrialist need research
results to make money, and researcher need money to have results...
The
slipped to 3rd.
lost.
first used a facebook vote exchange site (not a bot, a human bot).
2nd used egyptian student network (more honest)
We are the only technology based network...
I agree that all that is a clown story, and I understand that some says it
is not dign..
Anyway it can raise
Note that after a big start, Miley project is being caught by competitors,
and may be soon overtaken.
I don't know if it will be useful, but sure soon it won't be at all.
2013/3/5 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861
10 days
I understand well the skepticism of many on Miley.
As far as I know Miley have no validated reactor. He has a rational
project, which can be written on the back of a Post-it. The image is an
artistic vision, which I hope is not the final engineering result.
However I deeply disagree with the
Jed is right, there is no committee that decide of truths.
Just network of interest where committee and leaders are super-nodes,
because they can drown the other in pits of stupidity without the other
having any chance to survive...
so better to follow happily and die, rather than oppose and die.
engineering and money... But
Science as a body refuse change.
2013/3/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
that is how delusion wins. note that initially it is a rational opinion,
but with time it became a delusion because people are too much committed
I KNOW that some old-fashion industry executive accept to speak on LENR...
Provided it stays private.
I think it is easier to have business with Cuba or Iran, than to invest in
cold fusion.
as I said earlier, LENR will get commercial... but it can be blocked in
(still) rich countries, by
Anyway that is interesting to look back in the mirror.
I've found such test balloon articles from mainstream sources, after 2009
SPAWAR revival, 2005 (something happened in that period... Seen
Tsinghua replication of NASA GRC, a few other papers... Dunno what raised
such hope).
I understand why
a demonstration without being
drawn into a waste of time?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861
10 days remaining!
LENR Distributed Power Units
By George Miley
Ah ah ...
look like all conspiracy theory fan! He see puppets and snake everywhere...
I prefer to see interest driven stupidity, and emerging intelligence or
stupidity in weakly coordinated systems.
I send a comment, with my
summaryhttp://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/...
will
it is not the echo I have, more the opposite.
of course maybe the difference is how wealthy is the tester...
2013/3/1 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
America has the best health care in the world, according to the
Republican media machine...so this must be irrelevant...right?
Harry
unsustainable.
I feel that it is happening for similar story happened recently. We are
facing such loss of competitivity and some lobbies emerge for more
rationality.
However they seems quite based on big corps.
2013/2/25 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Alain Sepeda
You are right that the blocking of LENR should be done with the complicity
of the population.
My vision is that it will be done through manipulation of fear and morality.
What you cannot force people to surrender, they can give it to you with a
good manipulation, with a series of TV documentary
It is not sustainable. All is based on taxes and subsidies, and on false
price not taking the reality of variable demand across the day. backup
thermal energy is not paid at real price.
The LENR CHP will reduce the consumption and bill of home, bill which
already hard to accept in germany
It is clear these are not laws, but phenomenological regularities observed.
A bit like observing that animal are smaller on islands.
If I understand well, your opinion is that even seen as observation of
regularities, it is not so true... Moreover all is mixed with theoretical
noise.
thanks for
Dear Mr Storms,
Does Kozima laws inspire you something?
(I've naively commented
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?244-Theory-Kozima-3-Laws-in-the-CF-Phenomenonhighlight=kozima)
kozima article
http://www.geocities.jp/hjrfq930/Papers/paperr/paperr31.pdf(extended
version
Some people on my forum proposed another idea from LENR strutura
difference...
The idea is that soon there will be hybrid LENR+Electric vehicles like what
LENR-Cars is preparing. One waste is that the cost of such an electric
generator is only peak power, thus at night it is a wasted capacity.
I've just seem a TV document on Marie Curie, and really nothing will change.
people have the imagination that things get more tolerant, but it is always
the same, as explain nicolas taleb in anti-fragile...
rewriting the history of LENR will be done afterward, making physicist look
competent.
first point is I did not clearly see they were detecting neutrino from
LENR. It seems from the paper that they use Kamiokande as neutron detector.
beside that, when reasoning about DD fusion, you are making an hypothesis.
D+D-He4 may be something else like
D+e - nn +v
nn+D - 4H - He4 + e + /v
the knowledge and contacts to
design and build an E-Cat car. If E-Cat doesn’t work, he’ll have to find
another project.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
another article is published in a (French speaking) Mainstream newspaper
in switzerland: Le
is
not realistic. Them to prove the contrary', notes Ambrogio Fasoli.*
For Daniel Borel, a minority shareholder of LENR Cars, what counts is to
go until the end of his dreams.
2013/2/5 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
I just fall on that french speaking article (found by PESN RSS)
http
it seems not to work, but
http://repository.ias.ac.in/64627/
and public paper link
http://repository.ias.ac.in/64627/1/10-pub.pdf
works better
2013/2/10 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
we are above 100 , at this speed it is victory...
I've networked via linked-in, via office, via mail...
the only needed number of vote is 380...
2013/2/8 Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com
Akira, the votes are coming in fairly quick now, just 4 hours ago the
counter was at 18, now we're past
I feel those relative skepticism a bit strange and unjustified.
If you read all the project they are mainstream but very risky/uncertain.
The project of Miley is not interesting because of LENR... it is the less
uncertain part, and if Miley cannot make his technology work he can ask
DGT, Rossi,
I'm more conservative tha many on tha subject.
ther is no doubt that a pile of stupidiy, of scientific errors, of biased
data and interpretation, exist on both side.
It is surprising tha having suffered in LENr about pathologic consensu,
funding propelled corruption of scientific method,
there is an initiative
http://lenr-cities.com/
based on business factory method.
If I understand well the idea is that when there is an innovation, the
usual behavior of incumbent is to lock the situation so tha market don't
change.
However best results need changing of the structure of the
Hi, I fall on a patent that looks like Defkalion method of ignition
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1100-German-patent-found-looking-like-defkalionp=3836#post3836
(I OCR'ed and quoted the claims in english)
WO2006EP07882 EP1924387
warning VIRUS
2013/2/2 Greg Watson gowatso...@yahoo.com
http://www.bankers-corner.com/components/com_content/yaid352.php
2/2/2013 2:30:49 PM
Greg Watson
_
bet that this patent will not make any trouble to Defkalion's patenting
program.
Peter
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi, I fall on a patent that looks like Defkalion method of ignition
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1100-German-patent
2013/2/1 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I wrote:
People are a domesticated species . . .
I mean we have domesticated ourselves.
anyway there is always selective pressure, like there is gaz pressure
whatever is the container...
human, by losing many natural pressure (resuistance to
seems a possible direction.
I remember also that some reports claim that heat and radiation (???
neutrons or gamm, don't remind) are exclusives...
the multi-stage hypothesis seems credible.
and if the neutrons produced where simply neutrons too fast to merge with
hydrogenup...
2013/1/29 Jack
this is also the position of the writer on the next convergence.
Real policy for emerging countries is not laisser-faire, but TEMPORARY
protectionism, huge investment in education and infrastructure, support for
NEW industry...
and reinventing all, breaking the old model, every 10 years. also one
That is a general point about how governments manage transition.
They want to protect jobs, and existing industries, not to help things to
change to a better point.
as i repeat often it is well explained in the Next convergence as the big
problems with governments.
Laisser-faire and saving jobs
as explained in the wired, and as experienced in the 50s,
the automation will reduce some work, but create others that we don't
imagine, or we don't dare to.
there is also old need that will be covered better like elderly care,
better health care, disabled care, ...
vacation will develop (I don't
Is it related to the theory proposed in that report
http://webbshop.cm.se/System/TemplateView.aspx?p=Energimyndighetenview=defaultid=6d5bbc764d4942c89612bc9c5a9c4990
it seems different, but the orbiting of 2 nucleus together seems a common
point
2013/1/22 mix...@bigpond.com
In reply to David
2013/1/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
All patents are open-source, by definition. They are made public. They
have been since they were invented in the 1600s. That is the whole point of
a patent.
great remark.
without/before patent there is only NDA and trade secret.
only place
yes, renewable , except hydroelectric, is not yet cost effecive and need
huge progress.
It is still developed because some see no alternative.
as soon as an easy energy requires 10 times less investment than what is
needed for the cheapest energy, nuke, 100 times less than the worst
renewable,
the article is interesting but it critics only on 2 points.
the second is that energy is expensive, which mean that with LENR is not a
problem.
the second is that you can save water. it is true, and even more I think
that the fear of globally lacking water is a mythology fed by the usual
on point is also that Defkalion is selling the technology, but depend on
joint-venture like Defkalion Europe and licensee to develop application,
then try to obtain certification, then to get into the market.
It is like IBM selling the technology of the yet smaller transistor to a
silicon
ah... thanks for the info
how could you see that, I did not see any date...
too bad. anyway old story are interesting.
We just have to be less critical on JO, because at that time it was less
clear.
except in the scientific scene where there was a clear situation since
long... clear if you don't
Those two rules are on a very good way, yet I propose slight deviation, in
the same spirit.
About Feeding a troll, or as said here someone sincere (jojo, MY, or me
sometime, or people whom I respect too much to name because I appreciate
their contribution - even if MY sometime was interesting)
This patent seems unrelated to LENR. Production of antimatter.
I don't see the immediate application, except for research (maybe that is
the goal, help accelerators have antiparticles in mass)
2013/1/9 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Akira Shirakawa
Oh...
too bad. His columns were nice.
2013/1/9 Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
Unfortunately, Abd was one of the list's most interesting contributors and
commentators. So your decision, while nice on paper, effectively declares
victory for the troll. It's your list. But I'm outta here.
Jeff
This is something hard to accept for convinced people, but it is a great
principle.
The free speech constitutional principle seems very important...
LENR seems victim of an indirect restriction of free speech in science,
where inconvenient position lead to lost of funding, and blacklisting...
my wife know that school.
it is a Jakarta dowtown secular state school...
the country is muslim, yet there is 6 religion allowed, yet mandatory (you
have to believe in one single god, with a paradise... that is the rule...
whichever it is is your choice, even if like US there are political group
ah ah... good professors and very strict say my (muslim) step-child...
my (muslim) wife confirm , and me too... if catholic religion disappear, we
have to keep the schools...
in Indonesia like in france, religious schools have to enforce mixing and
non-segregation
except madrassa in indonesia
Just found some data on the company and the inventor.
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?939-Patent-Ni-alloys-for-H-storage-amp-generation-of-energy-%28Target-tech-intl-Han-NEE%29p=3482#post3482
the company is from vancouver...
the inventor is the CEO.
No reference to LENR on their
Their idea is to use hybrid propulsion...
LENR have huge autonomy, but LENr and worse, turbines, have low power
density
Since peak power is huge with planes, while average is lower, it is
rational to store energy...
in the report they propose batteries...
you can find the old article about
One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system...
if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated.
if a system is too strict about what is tolerated it will block innovation.
it is where Tenure system can help, or the fellowship that you find in
some big corps...
it is
I agree that it is not very good politic to convince.
however it is clear and true.
you should read the facts. i don't even understand how people can express
so much doubt, when not simple usual denial. just read the data, and remind
that consensus can be pathologic... history says so.
the
I I can be critic on LENR community, like on mainstream science community,
is that FG mania to focus on THEORY...
NOT HAVING A THEORY IS NOT A REASON TO IGNORE A FACT
you learn that when you are a kid interested in science...
Me too I want to be abrasive because it seems that most science
On Dec 22, 2012, at 18:42, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
nice job, that remind me some hoover
I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets...
I do not see what LENR (i.e. mostly speculation and fiction) has anything
to do with rocket engines (i.e. science).
My hoover
nice job, that remind me some hoover
I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets...
basically it could make LiquixOXygen-Augmented Nuclear Thermal Rocket
design be simpler...
if someone can analyse if LENR will benefit from that...
2012/12/22 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
yes,
I've also heard about a cyclonic cooling device...
2012/12/22 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:
nice job, that remind me some hoover
Dyson?
Hi,
On 22passi, Danielle Paserini publish a paper from
INFN/Lecce/StMicrohttp://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/Nuclear_transmutation_in_Pd_thin_films.pdfabout
changes (transmutation, craters...) in thin films of PdD/PdH, with
laser excitation...
This paper was inside the JCMNS volume5 by JP
Note thate ENEA with PdD proved the strong importance of crystalographic
structure.
One kind cause no heat, the other succed at 60%, and mix of two give mixed
results...
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=54t=674
It seems that DGT discuss of that, increasing the number of surface sites
with
our capacity to use hiden channel of information to get data on other
people is surprising.
any actor know that if you don't feel what you say, spectators can see it
instantly.
more surprising it have been show that humans can detect som mental states
characteristics throug the walking move. In
Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).
I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device
My personal analysis about the psychiatry around LENr is that it is one of
the main key that caused that tragic saga... (the other is ego, and
matching fear of losing ones position, funding and peers esteem)
I've discussed with scientist on a forum and they maintain that science
allowed
if well made, and it seems , the smart power meter will integrate
intantaneous real power, thus will not be bothered by phase shift... (that
is the same job as shoul have done the Rossi and hydrofusion meters to look
less ridiculous)
the problem explained is just that new meter count watt that
Scientifically you are perfectly right, and i learned much about that
counter intuitive fact.
however we are not in a lab but in an open air psychiatric hospital.
the problem is not to convince scientists, but to convinces blinds stubborn
kids of 5 with a tenure.
The only way to convince the
thanks for the image... and also for the leak about STMicro (8o)
note that ST have been seen earlier
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=37t=150p=461hilit=STMicroelectronics#p461
10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals
*10-14 April 2012 *
Hi,
I have followed the adventure of Brillouin, and heard of SRI...
For what i understand SRI is an innovation incubator of research results,
which is special because it does not reject LENR without looking...
I have heard other saying that it was created at the begining of CF
controversy to host
Ok, thanks for the confirmation that SRI is not dedicated to LENR, or too
much linked.
It is a generalist non-profit research center dedicated to innovation.
i was afraid thate there was a huge difference between the official
version, and reality..
someone found a greek article about Defkalion...
manythings already said, but some interesting, if not huge claims
links and comments on lenr forum...
if some greek speaking can correct the translation on the forum, most is
not so clear.
(PS: I got a permanent fatal error from vortex-l)
From the info I have Wigner effect seems another bad excuse to reject more
simple facts...
however if it was true, such a huge storage (still unreliable like many new
technologies), would be a HUGE REVOLUTIOn in Science, in Engineering...
like we expected for LENR, it is evident that such giant
between the demographic fears, debunked since decades (sorry, after 9
billion, humanity will reduce), the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or
use, so just don't do it, the various fear about healt,, environment...
and those existential fears tha get up to DoD or UNO, with debunked fear or
at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control
2012/11/27 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the
BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years
or more, it is
AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it
You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR
shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be
considered.
[mg]
Carrell
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*From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda
*Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM
*To:* Vortex List
*Subject:* [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A
Crisis Within a Crisis ???
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Reading
right .
today it was american cooking day at the corporate restaurant... I remind
why.
2012/11/22 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Anyway... happy turkey day!
I think Alain is in France.
And please no group that have even claimed the possibility of life on Mars.
Moreove the claim have to be published and validated in peer reviewed
article from magazine who never pretend that possibility, and still do,
even after publishing.
without those constraints, science will take the risk to
Even if my pseudonimity is no more secret, I would defend pseudonyms.
At worst someone could keep the real identity.
to be simple :
imagine that I say: my employer dump billions in a hole, and i don't want
him to know I know what he is doing...
Imagine I say : my neighbors will burn me like a
I don't accept the claim that there is nothing done under conception.
I agree that there are still doubt whether there is existing conception of
LENR reactor, BUT there are clear evidence that there is probably such
conception done by first Defkalion (who claim enough problems you can
estimate
step further!
--
*From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda
*Sent:* lundi 12 novembre 2012 10:52
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Reasons to be optimistic we will win the political
battle
what is their profile at ANS ?
Scientists ?(I mean the APS like, MIT like, Science/Nature Like)
Industrialists ? (Business)
Engineers (in the french meaning: link between science and industry,
between project and technology, between feasible and done)?
Applied scientist ? (a science version of
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