Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

Shouldn't we just freeze this thread? It is not going to do any good. Cheers Yaroslav On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote: > >> Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the >> most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

Well, there were speakers who were not able to attend Wikimanias in Haifa and Cairo, to start with, because of similar bans, and the general response then was "Whatever place we choose, someone is always discriminated". I am not sure whether this is a healthy attitude or not, but I do not see why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Thanks James. Was the procedure always like this? We know that there was one person banned by WMF in 2012, two in 2014, 8 in 2015, and 6 in 2016. Did they all go through this procedure? Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:15 AM, James Alexander wrote: > On Thu,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert < george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elaborate what was the motivation for a global ban this impression gets even stronger. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Fernandez

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

e the convergence and prioritization > will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin. > > > 2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: > > The backside seems to be that those who have been to the conference feel > no > > incent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

document, but this is the way to get the community input, and, in particular, the editing community. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why We Read Wikipedia in your language

Hi Gerard, arxiv.org is a free resource. It is actually one of the earliest free depositories, and in many fields, including mine (physics) it is customary to upload preprints at arxiv.org prior to sending for review. It can not be behind the paywall. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcoming 19 long-time Wikimedians as Coordinators for Movement strategy

Thanks the coordinators. I do not know everybody on the list, but I recognize there names of many excellent people. I also see there a name which has rung a bell for me, and the sound of the bell was somewhat alarming. I checked and found indeed that the coordinator has a sizable block log on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcoming 19 long-time Wikimedians as Coordinators for Movement strategy

n a public list, I happy to discuss them with you privately. > > > 2017-03-09 23:48 GMT-08:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: > > > Thanks the coordinators. I do not know everybody on the list, but I > > recognize there names of many excellent people. > > > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

This is probably best for a separate topic, but it was raised a couple of times on this thread, so I respond here. Concerning the better engagement of WMF with community, not calling any names here, the best way to engage is, well, you know, to edit Wikimedia projects. Not to just make two edits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] join the Wikimania program committee!

Just to note that I sent a mail to wikimania-prog...@lists.wikimedia.org on Feb 3 and never received any reply, not even an acknowledgement receipt. Now it is too late anyway, but the committee may want to check whether they are actually receiving mail and make sure acknowledgement receipt are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

photo thats just the notes from one 2 hours session all of which > > is being captured and will be reported on shortly. > > > > WMF, WMDE and the Strategy team worked wonders with this process in > Berlin, > > the plans ahead to bring in even more input discussions will be am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

strategy discussion, and I had a feeling that we are being listened to. Now I do not have this feeling anymore, quite the opposite. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-04-08 12:44 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

Actually, on Commons I had photographs deleted on the ground that the depicted building is a replica of an old building which went out of copyright, but the replica is copyrighted (despite my objection). When I myself nominated a photograph on the same grounds, it was kept. I do not particularly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by someone I can not recognize from the username. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher wrote: > Dear Édouard and our other colleagues

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com> wrote: > probably me... > > Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > Actually, after Cat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

For Wikivoyage in 2012, there were two factors which contributed to the increase of editing activity: 1) Greater visibility as a WMF project; 2) Moving to a new platform without advertisements (I for one joined it at the very first day it moved for exactly this reason). However, concerning the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

Not sure what action WMF can take to reverse the decision taken by a dictator which only concerns the territory he has an absolute authority. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

I added it on my watchlist and will protect if needed, but the Erdogan article already exploded from vandalism earlier today, and this one stays quiet, so I normally would not expect much of disruption. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Andy Mabbett

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

My idea was that adding an extra button to press brings the probability of the whole process down. If someone is determine to systemically add bad machine translations to the main namespace I guess only blocks could help. On the other hand, and extra button gives at leat an opportunity to read the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Strainu wrote: > 2017-06-23 23:48 GMT+03:00 Pine W : > > Could you elaborate on the benefits of this timetable change for people > who > > are not involved with affiliates? > > > > Starting from this assumption, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

Creating machine translations only in the draft space (or in the user space in the projects which do not have draft) could help. Cheers Yaroslav On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Pharos wrote: > I think it all depends on the level of engagement of the human

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

> project (in theory - in practice I could list several obstacles, possibly > surmountable) > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter > Sent: Wednesday, October 4,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

I fully support Ziko on this point. Making oral tradidions welcome, in particular, making them welcome at Wikipedia, will open the door to all king of fringe POV theories. We were able to distinguish ourselves exactly because these fringe theories had no place on Wikipedia. Allowing them meaning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

My (rejected) message below anyway. Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why is my message to this thread getting rejected? It says "Message > rejected by filter rule match"? > > Cheers > Yaroslav >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Why is my message to this thread getting rejected? It says "Message rejected by filter rule match"? Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > I guess we are discussing this contest: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

My understanding is they target 10K articles, not 100K. Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:30 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Gnangarra > > I've heard bad things about the articles for creation process, but a > minimum of either 1.5 kb or 2,000 bytes of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

As I mentioned earlier on a different occasion, at the very first step we at the Russian Wikivoyage have taken the strategy discussion seriously and compiled this document (Russian + translation to English),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

I am often critical of WMF, but I can only support this decision. The idea of creating of an environment was widely discussed in the community, including this mailing list, and had a widespread support. WMF merely follows the community wish in this case, and it is great to know that a donor agreed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

know about 'Wikipedia' in 10 years, but we do want that > our work is being put to good use. Is this a correct (simplified) > interpretation? > > Lodewijk > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I fully support Ziko on t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A legend is a legend, be it urban or not. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia wrote: > > > to Wikipedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>, > plural oral traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/ > wiki/oral_traditions#English>) > Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted < > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

Actually, I believe that at some point Wikidata will be ready to ban unsourced statements (including sources to other Wikimedia projects unless appropriate), which will automatically solve the BLP issue. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Peter Southwood <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

The issue with Commons is actually not whether Wikipedia uses the picture or not. The issue is the validity of description. If an image depicts A and the description says it is B, then the data on Commons are obviously invalid, and this would be the analog of false info at Wikidata sources to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

We absolutely do not want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, for a multitude of reasons, one of the many being that the chapters are organized by country (or even by territory) whereas language communities are organized differently. I think the idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

Hi Florence, this page might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia It is of course very different to create a complete hoax on Wikipedia on a topic which is heavily watched. It is much easier to create a hoax on an obscure subject very few people know about,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

nterested in cases where it > involves systematic actions involving automated systems or very large (and > rich) networks against which the community would have difficulties to deal > with. > > For example, the issue with BDB and binary options. > > Flo > > > Le

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

Whereas I absolutely agree with Todd, let me note that in the list many entries are unsourced or poorly sourced and can not be there according to the policies. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > We should no more follow French censorship

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

I made this point earlier this month, but let me make it again. Money generated by volunteers should indeed go back to volunteers. It just can not go back as a salary. If it goes back as a salary, you have people working together, some of them being paid for the work, and some doing it for free.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

Hi David, Well, I did not reply because I disagree but in my experience having long arguments with people one disagrees with usually does not lead to agreement and is also very tiring. You gave your opinion, I gave mine, it is up to other readers to decide whose arguments are stronger. I really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

periencing burnout. >> https://wire.ama-assn.org/life-career/report-reveals-severit >> y-burnout-specialty >> >> James >> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Yaroslav Blanter >> wrote: >> >> Hi David, >>> >>> Well, I did not re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

it is quite the opposite: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_retention > > Why do you feel that rotations are necessary? And wouldn't be the loss > greater than the gain? > > Cheers, > Micru > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 9:00 PM Yaroslav Blanter wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

I am actually fully with Gnangarra here. I am also an unpaid volunteer who invested a lot of hours of my free time into various Wikimedia projects (and mostly getting a lot of shit in reward, but this is not the point now). I did have an experience of disagreements with people who were either paid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

I think it is pretty similar to what we have built in Wikidata, Do Structured Commons folks want to comment? Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Hi, folks. > > It occurs to me there are tens or hundreds of thousands of images donated > en masse (GLAM etc.) that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

Hi David, >It occurs to me: Has anyone gone through the cat and made sure every >instance is cited to best BLP standards? no, likely not (nobody has gone through the cat). In my experience, categories and lists related to ethnicity, religious views, and sexual orientation are often created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero

Hi Lucas, this one is from February: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/02/16/partnerships-new-approach/ Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Lucas Teles wrote: > Hello. > > On Portuguese Wikipedia Facebook page, I am receiving lots of messages > asking if Wikipedia Zero is over.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

I think the situation is pretty clear, and we have already many statements exactly about this point. The dissenters are being, and will continue being simply ignored. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Fæ wrote: > Sorry Nicole, what you have written is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hello Lodewijk, no, you are certainly not alone in your concerns. It looks like at this stage there is little we can do, and the only option left is to not endorse the document. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Thanks for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

For the record, at the talk page of the endorsement page, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement we have a small number of contributors, including myself, who explain why they refuse to endorse the document. I do not expect us to be heard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Update on FISA 702 reauthorization

What about moving to another country? Still not an option? Cheers Yaroslav On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > 1) still don't see the relevance. If better technology is needed, it's > needed - that should be independent of any lobbying preferences.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 4 February 2018)

I think it is good to let them going for the time being. Cheers Yaroslav On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Fæ wrote: > On 4 February 2018 at 06:13, Pine W wrote: > > P.S. Do people like these "What's making you happy this week" emails? Few > > people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimedia vs. NSA

I though the United Stated, being the most democratic country of the world, does not recognize decisions of international courts (and, specifically, it withdrew from the International Court of Justice after a decision was taken it did not like, and it never ratified the convention about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

I actually agree with Todd, and I though this is actually a reason why WMF staff may not edit articles (at least not from WMF accounts). I am afraid disadvantages due to the broken symmetry will be bigger than advantages due to actual content translated. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

Hi Gerard, when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two sources present in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District are available for every district (though I so far only added about half of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

he information). I > believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct Wikidata > entries on the way. > > If you are interested in using something like that, please drop me a note. > > ​All the best, > > Paulo​ > > > 2018-07-26 17:25 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of > candidates > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was not > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by "boss" > > selection (I only feel the movement is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sensory overloads

Thanks Romaine for sharing. As someone at the same side of the spectrum (I get quickly tired in the places where a lot of people are gathering) I can fully endorse this. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:42 PM Romaine Wiki wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In our movement we have a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > > I don't like to think in drastic terms like these because it fails to > recognize the amount of good will that has been poured into the process and > the selection of participants by the Strategy team. It is perhaps more >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

Dear Kaarel, with all respect, it would be great if you could name the issues first before soliciting further feedback. In my particular case, well, I have seen a message on this list which I interpreted as a call for help. I have generally many things which interest me, but I though that if WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

At your service https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniyetmə_(roman) Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:26 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: > Saluton, > > Can we actually have a link to a page with a concrete example so we can > judge this factually? > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

One idea which was spelled out many times but never took off is that of a Wiki-compendium. If we are talking about a language which is let us say not endangered, has a reasonably large number of speakers but not millions, and only has a limited number of sources published in this language - the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to recognise a Wikipedian

Well, if the person edits Wikipedia during the breakfast in the hotel, should not we conclude with a high degree of certainty that the person is a Wikimedian? Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote: > Hi all, > > During the past Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hi Zubin, not that I know of. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Zubin JAIN wrote: > Hello, > As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of > the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

This is very remarkable that nobody is actually interested in input from what the WMF functionaries now call "unorganized volunteers" - people who actually work in the projects. We are just not in the picture. Good luck with that. Do not be surprised to see a huge number of volunteers to oppose

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odp: Re: Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

ip in Wikimedia projects and trust of their local > communities. Did I understand you properly?Best Regards, Michał > Buczyński Wikimedia Polska, FDC, Resource Allocation Working Group Dnia > 27 września 2018 13:21 Yaroslav Blanter ymb...@gmail.com > napisał(a): This is

[Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

/ accessible to most of internet users, and will slowly die. And the results of what were were doing for 20 years will disappear. This is a usual development and happens to almost every human activity. We know that only a few percents of pieces of Ancient Greek and Roman literature survived until no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

to find very search engines. (No > wonder that some of the prominent people from our regions are continually > getting dismissed as non-notable, which I see as another form of 'systemic > bias'). > > Give it a thought, please. > > Frederick Noronha > Goa > > On Sun, 30 D

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

Hi Tomasz, whereas you are right in theory, a practical application of this method requires (i) availability and acceptance of all these sources in the community (for example, if one side published in Croatian and another one published in English, Croatian Wikipedia is likely to use only sources

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

Well, in 2019 people should already have come to the notion that blocking locally an acting steward is not really a good idea. Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM Vi to wrote: > Because of a truly great idea > < >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] blocking, unblocking, wikivoyage

This person sent this mail today to multiple mailing lists, to some of them twice. Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:53 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > I do not see what community this is being > controlled by; > > 1. there are no notice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

Thanks for the reactions so far, they have been very useful. Let me answer some of the points. Re subject line: Obviously it is deliberately provocative to generate more response and reach out to more people. Whereas what I write I do seriously, if it stays a discussion of a dozen of people with

[Wikimedia-l] European Copyright Law

If I understand correctly, the European parliament just approved the copyright law essentially without changes, thus supporting the version we protested against in May. What would be the consequences for us? Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

Hello Itzik, thanks for sharing this. I actually did not want to react, because I presumably sound too critical on this list in the last couple of years. However, 24h passed, and nobody reacted, and It would be unfortunate if we let this go. My own experience brought me to the same conclusions,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

Peter, I am also writing about what I am (sometimes mildly) interested in, and I am sure there will be enough materials for me to edit until I die, but you would be surprised to learn how many people have no idea on what they could/should edit, and are happy to take suggestions. Cheers Yaroslav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wikicite-discuss] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation, staying on the wikis

Dario, thanks for your effort. It was a pleasure working with you, and I am also happy that you will stay around as a volunteer. My congratulations to Leila. Whereas at this point I am rather skeptical and sometimes vocal about WMF in general, I have a tremendous respect for both of you. Cheers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bounties…

Whatever the reasoning is, I think we should accept that at the moment paid editing is universally regarded very negatively in virtually all projects. Non-monetary prizes for competitions may or may not be ok, everything else is most likely not considered to be ok even if does not explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

:17 PM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:41, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > > > Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the > > project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down > > against the will of t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

To be honest, Wikidata does have serious vandalism issues which have not yet been solved. It is unlikely the English Wikipedia will have a more close integration with Wikidata until they have been solved. For the record, I am administrator on both projects. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 13, 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:26 AM Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > > > This is of course fine, and everybody is free to participate or not to > participate on this mailing list, but, generally speaking, does WMF have > any channels to listen to the volunteers working on the project?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

The point made by pretty much everyone is not that Fram should or should not be banned, but that the process in this case should have followed the standard dispute resolution avenues, More specifically, the case should have been communicated to the Arbitration Committee, whose members did sign the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Just to summarize the difference between WMF and ArbCom, in view of the majority of the en.wiki community: We elect ArbCom, and if they do not do what they should be doing, they do not get re-elected in two years, which happens on a regular basis We do not elect WMF and in fact we have no means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

simply raising an objection to the claim > that this would've gone over much better had it been the ArbCom and not the > WMF who placed a ban. > > – Molly White (GorillaWarfare) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:01 PM Yaroslav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright issues

Actually, I am afraid, for CCI at some point we will have to remove all added text by bot. I do not see any other scalable solution. Cheers Yaroslav On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 5:36 PM Stephen Philbrick < stephen.w.philbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have seen a couple comments on copyright issues in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

I went ahead and offered my time to participate in the strategy process. My offer was rejected.. I do not think I will ever do it again. I an afraid WMF is up to some surprises when they publish the 2030 Strategy which was not in any way coordinated with the communities, and then see that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the amount of material it has to deal with. Cheers Yaroslav On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta wrote: > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or capable to do > the job, or increasing difficulty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

This is of course fine, and everybody is free to participate or not to participate on this mailing list, but, generally speaking, does WMF have any channels to listen to the volunteers working on the project? They often say so, but in practice I do not see any. This list used to be the one, but it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

Yes, Asaf is absolutely spot on. Though I am afraid it is a small part of a bigger problem. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:54 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Asaf thank you very much. This response of yours helps build bridges. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Wed, 15 May 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

Hi Ziko, you could then argue that Commons is also not a collaborative project - only one person takes a picture (determines the story, the position, light etc), and others can at best perform some editing or add/remove categories. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ziko van Dijk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

I agree that it is completely counterproductive to discuss issues like who filed the complaint. What is however important to understand, especially for those who are not English Wikipedia insiders, is that the reaction which this event caused in unprecedent. For example, by now 19 active admins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

Andrew Lih provided a couple of days ago a link to his excellent analysis of ten years ago, but in short - Wikinews has a very different nature that all other Wikimedia projects. Wikipedia, or say Wikivoyage or Commons are incremental - you can add a paragraph of text or an image, walk away, come

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or perhaps even specifically the English Wikinews community), I will ask myself whether

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

No, it does not work like this. Large communities are only going to accept decisions which were discussed with them properly, on their project and in the two-way interaction mode. The discussions on Meta in the mode "we will listen to you and then let you know of our decision" are not going to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

; > > multiple > > > > >>>>>> languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall > > > > >> direction > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>>> the > > > > >>>>>> recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are > > already > > > > >>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been pointed out by multiple people from the very beginning) Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke wrote: > Andy > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

I agree with Fae. I strongly oppose the proposal, and I somehow used to assume that our opinion would be asked in a structured way. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 7:03 PM Fæ wrote: > If the WMF is going to make statements that are not derived from all > the demonstrable facts, perhaps

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

Right. I guess a central notice about an RfC would be appropriate. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kiril Simeonovski < kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems like there is a clear consensus to open an RfC on Meta about this, > so we can safely move forward

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

I do not think Kazakhstan has a chapter. In the past, some Kazakh Wikimedians enjoyed close collaboration with the government (for example, the Kazakhstani Encyclopedia has been released under a free license and verbatim copied to the Kazakh Wikipedia, so that I do not expect much. Cheers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

If we are discussing such things, why do not we are discussing whether WMF employees are driving to the work or taking public transportation? Or chapter employees? Or volunteers? Or whether volunteers switch off the light when they leave a room (I actually do)? I really do not think this is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

I posted once a reply which was reasonably concise and had just one point - and it generated very little response. My conclusion was that people here are mainly not interested in what is going on on the projects contentwise. I will not do it again. Yaroslav On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:16 AM Amir

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