Re: [WISPA] Prevailing Wage
I lived under that act when I was a Fire Chief. Anything I built was a public works project. Royal pain and ridiculous to inflate the cost of a project just because it's government quite the scam. Sent via my over priced cell phone! Original message From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com Date: To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Prevailing Wage Hello, We are working on several wireless and security camera proposals for municipalities in our area, Illinois. The question has been raised about Prevailing Wage and if we have to pay it. When looking into it, it looks like we do. All $44/hour to any one that works on the project. I do not want to get people all up in arms about the Prevailing Wage act. That is a discussion we can have at a WISPA show after hours. :) Has anyone had to deal with this? Did you get a for sure answers yes or no? Where you audited and survived? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Transport in Washington State
NOAANet does that among others. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 3/12/2013 10:49 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I am looking for some transport from Seattle (Westin) to Walla Walla. Anyone know who might be able to provide this? Jeromie Reeves ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Data-Alliance.net Horror story w/ Air Fiber
I have a pair if you want them. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So... I really needed an Air Fiber for an important project that was time sensitive... Go to the UBNT tool and see who has stock, I very specifically put HAS TO BE US VERSION in the notes. George Hardesty from there emails me that his company Data-Alliance.net has them in stock. I send an email directly back to his, asking specifically, you have the US version in stock? He emails back, yes he has verified that he has US version in stock. I buy it. I wait a week. It shows up and low and behold its the international version. Woohoo, just wasted my time and money and project is not happening when I promised customer. That should not have happened when I specifically asked twice for him to verify what I was buying before hand. It gets better. Of course I had AMEX open chargeback on the purchase because I already lost time, money and possibly new customer on this inexcusable botched shipment. I called George and let him know this and that I expected them to pay for shipping back as well because it was 100% his fault. He then informs me he has the US version and can ship it out to fix my problem and will also include shipping label for the wrong air fiber return. Great, seems reasonable - at least there is light at the end of the one week delay. I get with AMEX and have them drop the dispute. I get shipping label and return product to him after waiting in line at UPS (bad time of year to ship stuff). George send me tracking info for new US air fiber (I had him double check again, before shipping the second time as you might imagine). Ok, I am assured everything is good and the correct part is now on its way. Supposed to arrive today I check tracking this evening because package never arrived, but hey, its baout xmas maybe they are working late? Nope - Mr Hardesty called UPS and had the package returned to sender. LOL - seriously? Now I'm late on the project twice and customer thinks this is some sort of new hobby for me. I'm not happy. And I sure as heck won't make the mistake of ordering something from Data-Alliance.net again since they are obviously lacking integrity and competence in several departments. I just can't believe after having discussed all this with him several times, and us both potentially having everything work out acceptably that he pulled this and didn't even bother to communicate with me so I could have at the very least saved another lost day. Now I start over, third time... /End rant Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Have you got your shopping list ready?
Hello Members, I have a shopping list started for WISPPALOOZA, I will be interviewing companies to buy a new billing system (mine is 18 years old), I am interested in expanding into surveillance monitoring and in-home management systems for our installers to add to our services. Also I want to look at cloud services for remote back-up and of course check out the new radio gear from my favorite manufacturers. This isn't an invitation for vendors to contact me off-list because I will see you when I roam the exhibitor floor next week so please don't load up my inbox. I'm just saying to all WISP's think of the services you can add to your business and join us to provide the support our vendors deserve for being members of WISPA. See you next week in Vegas! Forbes Mercy WISPA VP/Legislative Chair ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
Chris, Let me reason this out with you and Jack. I've always felt WISPA is too conservative in simply making filings and a rare visit. I've felt that education of our Congressional members has helped them remember us when staff reviews new laws. What we haven't done is bear any pressure or seek to make our issues into the public consciousness. This is an election year, a rare moment when small issues become campaign promises (whether kept or not). I will only touch on politics for a moment, keep in mind a Democrat FCC Chairman is proud that he converted USF to CAF and seeks to expand it's revenue by adding broadband. The Republicans are screaming for 'no new tax' issues, just last night Ryan called out Corporate Welfare. Here we are with this huge outdated tax and the FCC wants to make it bigger by taxing a whole new industry. The main points we can make are: 1) Congress said no tax on the Internet and now the FCC wants to go around them and tax the Internet anyway 2) 100% of the new tax would go to corporate welfare not directly helping a single tax payer, it's socialized Internet 3) The Telco industry isn't even a Broadband company, they are a telephone company no more than cable is an Internet company. At least cable got investors to build their networks, telco wants the government to pay for all of their expansion. 4) The cost of Wireless to expand to areas is a fraction of the cost of wireline but is being completely left out. I think a properly briefed politician could get excited about helping to push our agenda, make it public and dramatically raise the profile of our discussion. Imagine a politician who took a pledge of no new taxes having to take on the burden of having approved a new tax in CAF. There is nothing radical about taking advantage of opportunities and the election cycle seems primed for our issues. Politics is always a radical and risky proposition but no one here has yet to say how this will hurt us other to say it's risky. I'm all ears. Forbes On 8/29/2012 11:37 AM, chris cooper wrote: I wouldnt do that in the pre election climate. It seems like it could be taken a couple of different ways, any one of which might alienate 50% of your customers. cc -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; fcccommit...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich! I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in. I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we shouldn't be afraid to say it. Forbes On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to get them.
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in. I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we shouldn't be afraid to say it. Forbes On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to get them. jack On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote: http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/ Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 x102 http://wlan1.com http://towercoverage.com http://www.linktechs.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5231 - Release Date: 08/28/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
It's down to $8.88! On 8/10/2012 7:04 AM, James Howard wrote: The lower the price, the more shares they can buy back with the $100M repurchase. That will also flush out some of the whiny investors who don't really have any faith in the company. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Belton *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... It will be interesting to watch today and Monday...that's for sure! They beat their earnings, warn about the effects of counterfeited product and announce they intend to take this opportunity to buy back $100M worth of shares. Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] mailto:[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 3:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... Eh. I plan to reinvest heavily. The CEO is planning to purchase a ton of stock. Why wouldn't he want it to go low? On Aug 10, 2012, at 0:19, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: After hours had a low of $6.90 http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ubnt/after-hours There was a lot of transactions. On 8/9/2012 7:05 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Agreed. I almost hit that $9ish range a week or so ago, but my order was just a bit too late. My stake in UBNT is very small, but have been averaging down and it's been entertaining at the very least to watch. Hoping to acquire a few more shares tomorrow if the price is right! Vegas or the stock market...almost the same entertainment rush...lol Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sam Tetherow *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your cost basis. On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel? ON SALE HUH?? ATT1 /---Original Message---/ */From:/*Zach Mann mailto:zma...@gmail.com */Date:/*8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM */To:/*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org */Subject:/*Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... Sweet! It's on sale... On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com mailto:d...@txox.com wrote: I just suddenly got very illATT2 /---Original Message---/ */From:/*Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net */Date:/*8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM */To:/*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org */Subject:/*[WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... OUCH ! Anyone following this stuff... http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
Another possibility is that there is always a date when those who got to buy early in the IPO and management who were gifted or had a chance to buy early stock get to start cashing out. That day could have been reached. Forbes On 8/9/2012 4:25 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Could be multiple reasons for such a sharp, instant and unnatural drop. 1. The reason the trade press gives often is not the real reason but a cover story intended for the masses. 2. Manipulating the price of anything these days (stocks, gold, etc.) can and is done by any entity through leveraged, computer-programmed buying and selling. A drop as steep and as sudden as UBNT says that either a) A huge number of holders of the stock all decided to unload it at the very same exact instant (the chances of this are little to none), or b) The price was manipulated downward intentionally. I have no idea who would want to do this, right? UBNT (and the WISP industry) have absolutely no enemies, right? jack On 8/9/2012 4:04 PM, Doug Clark wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-plunges-as-counterfeits-hurt-outlook-2012-08-09 ---Original Message--- From: Zach Mann Date: 8/9/2012 5:02:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... What news or report caused the sell off ? On Aug 9, 2012 5:57 PM, "Sam Tetherow" tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your cost basis. On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per barrelthat you are sitting on and then overnight the price per barrel drops to75.00 per barrel? ON SALE HUH?? ---Original Message--- From: Zach Mann Date: 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... Sweet! It's on sale... On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, "Doug Clark" d...@txox.com wrote:
Re: [WISPA] Wispa Press Release
I think the comments on the story yesterday is what compelled them to do this story so nice job! Forbes On 7/11/2012 2:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: http://www.telecompetitor.com/wisps-target-centurylink-connect-america-fund/ It would be a good idea to continue to engage with comments. Please be nice! Kudos to Matt Larson for the interview! Regards, Jeff Sales Manager, Blue Technology 574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can) 574-220-7826 (Cell) +1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:22 AM To: memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Members] (no subject) http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/-1678478.htm WISPA's press release about CenturyLink's attempt to use federal money to overbuild existing WISPs. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, Blue Technology 574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can) 574-220-7826 (Cell) +1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Since the true standard for 4G is 100MBps it makes perfect that Sprint has 5G coming soon, a vapor standard. The techies have lost out to the marketing people once again, next they will find a way to show false speed tests like old AOL days when your port showed 115200 instead of the actual speed you were getting on modem connections so they could say they were faster than you 56K reading. If deceptive advertising were an art the Cellco's are Picasso in all his abstract glory. Forbes On 5/23/2012 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: ATT 4G is what we call FauxG. It's fake 4G. On the iPhones they are now calling HSDPA+ 4G, when a few months ago it was still considered 3G. Now on their coverage map, 4G LTE is listed separately. There is limited LTE ATT 4G in the US at this time, only in the big major cities. Not even available anywhere in KY for example. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 tel:314-720-1000 *From:*Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer /victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com/* wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 tel:314-720-1000 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini /g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com/* wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com mailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name....
I came up with Wireless Guardians but Victoria's is really catchy! Forbes On 5/10/2012 10:04 AM, Victoria Proffer wrote: Wi-Eye ... =)) Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:20 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Help coming up with company name Brainstorm time, Do any of you have suggestions for a company name, obviously involving wireless, networks, surveillance etc ? Trying to come up with a good name. Open to any suggestions. Thanks in advance -Zach ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] CTIA keynote Genachosky 3.5 ghz for small cells
If anyone has first hand knowledge of this announcement please let us know, the FCC Committee Meeting is in progress right now and we'd sure like to have an accurate basis for discussion on if the 3550 is going away from us. Thanks, Forbes On 5/8/2012 8:46 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Not much details offered. I assume theyll auction it Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 8, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com mailto:d...@txox.com wrote: elaborate please. That freq was slated to #1 to be auctioned off or the FCC 2nd choice was to include it in the licensed lite band.. /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com /*Date:*/ 5/8/2012 9:34:02 AM /*To:*/ WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com mailto:a...@afmug.com /*Subject:*/ [WISPA] CTIA keynote Genachosky 3.5 ghz for small cells WTF... Just announced that 100+ MHz on 3.5 ghz will be for Small Cells Sent from a Apple Newton ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4985 - Release Date: 05/08/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
I read that it was for a pair, is that incorrect? On 3/23/2012 10:14 AM, Doug Clark wrote: 2999.00 per link! /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Zach Mann mailto:zma...@gmail.com /*Date:*/ 3/23/2012 11:13:51 AM /*To:*/ WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org /*Subject:*/ Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Price range ? :) On Mar 23, 2012 12:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: 700 mbps fdx, 1.4 Gig Agg 24Ghz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 1:04 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* a...@afmug.com mailto:a...@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Nice. Gig speeds ? On Mar 23, 2012 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.
I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality of equipment reasons? Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day, Forbes On 3/16/2012 7:11 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop. Travis On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops. Hop 1: 2 miles Hop 2: 2.8 miles Hop 3: 5.6 miles Hop 4: 2.6 miles Hop 5: 2.6 miles Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8 Please call my Cell listed below. -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4872 - Release Date: 03/15/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FS
How much? Forbes On 3/2/2012 8:47 AM, brandon jolley wrote: Hello I have a Rocket M365 and M900 New in the box for sale. thanks Brandon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4846 - Release Date: 03/02/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FS
While I appreciate that you don't want to lose money I can buy those for that price from my local dealer, I don't need them immediately so I'll pass. Thanks, Forbes On 3/2/2012 9:03 AM, brandon jolley wrote: Hi 365-$170 900-$160 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: How much? Forbes On 3/2/2012 8:47 AM, brandon jolley wrote: Hello I have a Rocket M365 and M900 New in the box for sale. thanks Brandon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4846 - Release Date: 03/02/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4846 - Release Date: 03/02/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Be In The KNOW - Come See How We're Saving Your Business at ISP America
TO OUR MEMBERS AND THOSE WHO SHOULD BE, As I pack my bags for another trip to Washington DC from far away Washington State I wanted to remind members of what WISPA does for you. I will be meeting with the offices of two Senators, a Congressman, the NTIA Chief of Staff, FCC's Mapping Chief, the author of the 50 Billion Unlicensed Study and more next week. Based on the results we've had in the past with making sure Unlicensed stays a part of the National debate in the Spectrum Legislation just passed, and inclusion in everything from USF to helping fellow WISP's during disasters there is no organization representing your future better than WISPA. Attending our Trade Shows gives us the financial ability to have a constant and powerful voice in Washington D.C.. Politicians, regulators, and the big Corporate bullies would like nothing better than to micro-manage and restrict your ability to make money and have fair rules to work with. Additionally the trade shows is where we can let you know, and have direct contact with those who are setting the direction of this industry on your behalf. We always need that feedback to make sure we truly represent and gain your ideas of how we can make the life of WISP's and our Vendors easier to do business. The time to get reasonable air fares is getting tight so I ask that you sign up for ISP America at http://www.wispa.org/ispamerica-2012 and make your flight or other reservations today. Don't forget to attend my Regulatory Creep session and the many other great sessions in every aspect of Wireless. The value you will get from our show will educate both you and us as how we can be a force to continue our mission of introducing progressive technology to the American public, plus make a damn fine living at it! I hope to see you in Florida, have a great weekend! Thank you, Forbes Mercy WISPA VP/Legislative Chair ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...
Maybe some of those solar particles could penetrate this continual day to day snow we're having and recharge my solar sites! :) Forbes On 1/24/2012 6:57 AM, ~V~ wrote: Check out the incoming particles this bad boy is bringing. http://youtu.be/01SEGNfK_58 ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today... Same. It could eventually happen, but I haven't seen any consequence of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/24/2012 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: YAWN. I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues not saying it won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every time. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57364089-76/solar-flare-blasts-radiation-s torm-toward-earth/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4763 - Release Date: 01/24/12 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality, in this case USF
Nice job! You said most of our talking points on this, I only wish all Congress would remember where they come from and give their WISP a call, maybe more members could do what you did and initiate the call to get the dialogue started. While USF is outside of Congress the FCC sure listens to them so it never hurts to educate Legislators to what the lobbyists for our competition fails to do, Fixed Wireless is a major player. Thanks, Forbes On 11/1/2011 10:56 AM, MDK wrote: Monday morning I got a phone call from a 202 number and answered it. The name sounded vaguely familiar, but he finally identified himself as the assistant to my congressman. Ahh, now I know why I recognize the name. Been in politics around here for many years. State and federal. Thursday or Friday, I stumbled across a news story of my US Rep praising the FCC's changes to USF, which, from descriptions, look bad for me and most of us, as it involves subsidizing rural wireless (insert cellular for wireless and you get the gist) I was ticked as you can imagine, because he's literally from a small town where WISP's play a signficant role in broadband availablity. Well, I guess I must have used the right combination of words, because he (the assistant to my US Rep) wanted to know what it was I thought. Well, we had 20 minute conversation, where I explained that we as an industry are often the only viable operators for small niche areas where it simply is impossible to string wires or bury cables or whatever, in a cost effective manner (and he knows precisely what I mean, he drives the same roads and knows the same places I do), and now, someone's going to apply to get USF money to come and build right out over us, with subsidized funding. He didn't disagree with that assessment, btw, and asked what I thought should be done. Abolish, of course. In his view, the term of life for continual subsidy of rural telecom via USF has been abruptly shortened, and, they're at least talking about ending any continuous subsidy for anyone. Of course, they can't end USF, because Congress made it law, but ending it is certainly an option in House, he implied. Further, we've reached the point where much of rural broadband is hampered by beaurocratic obstruction as much as anything else. the need to use public land, or telephone pole access, or power pole access, federal land use, and numerous other expensive and complicated matters. I explained that it has traditionally been that people with great skill for beaurocracy get the money, but rarely seem to have great skill at getting customers happy and resourceful at accomplishing the technical challenges. That subsidy causes business models to be built on it, rather than sustainable competitive operations. That we need the markets open to being able to enter the phone, tv, and internet business with whatever the appropriate technology, without endless hurdles in our way. No idea if it did any good, but at least one person, who is at the top of the issues that matter to us in the house, got some input from the ground level. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4589 - Release Date: 11/01/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who is staying the night of the 12th?
Guess I could have answered Josh's question in my last email. I'll arrive Saturday afternoon, go home following Friday. I'll be ready for my own bed since I'm going on vacation Sept 24th to Oct. 3, home three days then off to this. Forbes On 9/14/2011 8:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not sure if 'm going to fly home after 3-4PM (show ends then) on the 12th or stay another night and fly home on the 13th. What is everyone else doing? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3897 - Release Date: 09/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)
That's funny, we had a security camera torn off it's mount and stolen, we were all ready to have the very clear pic of the thief walking up to the camera and grabbing it. Turns out our DVR wasn't recording THAT channel at THAT time, figures. Well at least all he took was the camera and gave us the chance to fix the channel recording feature before they got something really valuable. On 8/1/2011 6:15 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Oh s%t! Someone is stealing the rig! http://i.imgur.com/gDTkE.jpg On 1 August 2011 19:40, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com mailto:tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: http://69.96.154.17/cgi-bin/guestimage.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
Committee as we will be posting most of the Legislative work in that venue. Thank you for your time and we appreciate you realizing the huge task we have ahead of us. Forbes Mercy WISPA VP/Legislative Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
TO WISP's I'm not much of an alarmist and I would never claim the sky is falling unless I had positive proof. Right now WISPA is faced with what I perceive as the most serious threat to our industry to date. Some of you may complain that the FCC is an overreaching intruder into our business. While Federal Government oversight and regulations into our rapidly growing industry may seem intrusive WISPA has always had their ear and we feel they listen and include us into much of their decision making process. There is no doubt they truly want nation-wide service and recognize the lack of enthusiastic expansion by major players (legacy carriers) into the rural area which is our strongest argument. Starting with Net Neutrality we noticed that Congress was starting to politicize the work of the FCC. Some of you thought that was a good thing since you felt the FCC was slow in releasing frequencies. The micro-management of the FCC on that first issue has rapidly grown to full fledged taking over of the FCC's mission. Once the legacy characters found that they could go around the FCC to Congress, where they already give millions in donations, they knew they had one big leg up on small budget organizations like WISPA. They are now flexing their full lobbying muscle by getting some 'friends' in Congress to introduce bills that would freeze any future expansion of the WISP market locking us out of the lower frequencies that we need to penetrate vegetation and terrain. Much like teaching the Internet to your parents other legislators look at the new laws with dazed amazement and just say OK not realizing the ramifications and listening to the lobbyist spin. WISPA is not sitting back on this one, last year our board was not afraid to go far out of budget to get our feet firmly in the door on issues such as TV White Spaces (TV White Spaces) and the Universal Service Fund change to Connect America Fund (CAF). It appears all that work is now under scrutiny by Congress and their answer seems to be one of 'lets just put all frequencies up for bid, licensed and unlicensed'. None of us WISP's could afford to bid against the likes of ATT and Verizon and it has the potential of locking all small business out of any future frequencies. Yesterday the Legislative, FCC, and Promotions Committee of WISPA got together and released a letter to all Congressional Members of several committees relevant to this battle, in addition we paid to have a formal press release sent to the media objecting to this path that both the Senate and House seem to be pursuing. We are now interviewing potential Lobbyists (something we've never needed before) and, other firms that can help us with this new front we have to fight on. Where WISPA will have to go to get the ear of Congress to stop this insane path is all new to us but we are up to the challange. We have great legal counsel, members that can attend and testify hearings, allies in other groups such as New America feel the pain like us on this issue. We will be making alliances, learning how to do social networking to reach our members, our members subscribers and, anyone who will side with us to form grass roots efforts to get the attention of Congress. At this point we are not asking for a special assessment or other means to aggressively answer this call, we are within budget so far but it's hard to say how far this will go. We simply are asking you to watch closely what we inform membership, prepare to be involved because unless you are content with the current frequencies and rules we are under you will directly be affected by this Congressional action. If we give in to these irrational rules don't think Congress or the legacy characters will stop there, if they sell the revenue model successfully they could go after existing frequencies too. WISPA will be releasing talking points next week so that you can help us by making appointments with your Congressperson while they are in district during the month of August. We really need to educate them that this path is bad for America and their constituents. If you need constant updates please join the Legislative Committee as we will be posting most of the Legislative work in that venue. Thank you for your time and we appreciate you realizing the huge task we have ahead of us. Forbes Mercy WISPA VP/Legislative Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account
Email pack rat :) On 7/13/2011 8:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: Just another reason to use a real email account! I can store as much as my hard drive will allow :-) I forget what it's up to. I used to be able to burn a DVD as a backup, but that's not enough anymore. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account I'm at 16GB of 25. I'm sure I would lose more then 3GB if I deleted it all. How far back did you go? I'm afraid when I get close to 25 I will need to start deleting messages, something I loathe doing =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of storage. Jerry Richardson 925-260-4119 x2 www.aircloud.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3761 - Release Date: 07/12/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
I used a new Thunderbolt in Orlando during the CTIA show where Verizon turned up their 4G. Speedtest.net gave a 9MB download and 38MB upload but when I went to run Pandora, it warned me it couldn't play the higher quality stream so basically it was an impressive 32byte ping but fell on it's face once you used it. Unimpressed, that's why I refer to cell phone Internet as Play Internet Forbes On 4/2/2011 8:53 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I'm sure its not loaded like the 3G system is here. Was fast the first day. Now not much. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net http://Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net http://Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
I call it play because it can't be taken as serious Internet. On 4/2/2011 11:55 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: ØUnimpressed, that's why I refer to cell phone Internet as Play Internet Forbes, don’t you mean “PAY Internet” … ;-) *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW I used a new Thunderbolt in Orlando during the CTIA show where Verizon turned up their 4G. Speedtest.net gave a 9MB download and 38MB upload but when I went to run Pandora, it warned me it couldn't play the higher quality stream so basically it was an impressive 32byte ping but fell on it's face once you used it. Unimpressed, that's why I refer to cell phone Internet as Play Internet Forbes On 4/2/2011 8:53 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I'm sure its not loaded like the 3G system is here. Was fast the first day. Now not much. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net http://Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net http://Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow list?
Well this is the only list that's been slow, the members list has been hopping with well over a hundred a day. A quick reminder the General list is best used for help issues where people want to reach those who are AND are not members of WISPA, the hope is non-members will join and then they get the benefit of membership. I find that when the members list gets hot the general one dies down, it's really a case of where the thread starts that's popular and takes off. Has your post worked yet? Forbes On 3/2/2011 10:05 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I got a total of list posts of 12 on 3/1 and a total of 15 on 3/2? WTF? I know I placed a post and never received it on 3/1. What is up with the lists? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Windows Upgrades
Odd that they didn't mention that 7 wipes out most of XP programs like Photoshop. On 3/3/2011 1:09 PM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote: Early Friday fun… Guy installed every version upgrade of windows from V1.0 (on MS-Dos 5) to Windows 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=vPnehDhGa14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=vPnehDhGa14 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NAB Asks Congress to Probe Dish, Time Warner for Spectrum Hoarding
NAB Asks Congress to Probe Dish, Time Warner for Spectrum Hoarding By Maisie Ramsay Tuesday, March 1, 2011 The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) is asking Congress to investigate Dish Network and Time Warner Cable over alleged spectrum hoarding. The letter, sent to the ranking members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and the Senate Commerce Committee, accuses Dish Network and Time Warner Cable of warehousing their spectrum licenses so they can sell them off at a huge profit to bandwidth-starved operators. The NAB wants the lawmakers to investigate Dish Network, Time Warner Cable and other government agencies for potential cases of spectrum hoarding and financial speculation before allowing the FCC to move ahead with its proposed incentive auctions of television broadcast spectrum. The pattern of spectrum speculation from Time Warner Cable and Dish Network is especially troubling given that the FCC's National Broadband Plan proclaimed a year ago that there is a 'looming spectrum crisis,' wrote NAB President and CEO Gordon Smith. If America is truly facing a spectrum shortage, then it is imperative that policymakers receive an unbiased and thorough report on how private companies like Dish, Time Warner Cable and government agencies are using or warehousing this precious resource. Gordon's letter was prompted by comments from Dish Network CEO Charlie Ergen in the company's earnings call last week that suggested the company had no concrete plans for the spectrum, instead planning to let it sit idle and increase in value so it could be sold off at a profit. Dish is working to buy bankrupt satellite company DBSD, which holds satellite spectrum licenses. When asked what Dish would do with the spectrum it could acquire through the DBSD deal, Ergen said the company believed that spectrum has value but there's not a grand strategy at this point. Time Warner Cable has said it doesn't have any plans to sell or use its spectrum holdings, implying it plans to let the spectrum grow in value so it can be sold at a profit. The latest missive from the NAB is part of the group's ongoing efforts to undermine the FCC's plan to use airwaves currently used for television broadcast to alleviate the spectrum crunch. Last month, the NAB accused the wireless industry and cable operators like Time Warner of fabricating the spectrum crunch by hoarding their spectrum to create false scarcity. CTIA denounced NAB's allegations, calling them baffling. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Solar acting backwards
A week ago we received a low battery page on a solar site. We got there to find the Positive wire was oxidized and not making connection, stripped it back and it worked fine. Then we had no sun for three days, worked perfectly. When the sun came out it stopped working again, isn't that kind of backwards? On my way out again to change batteries, we use a bank of two 6v industrial batteries. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards
Chuck, It was more simple than I thought, I got up there and the negative wire was arcing from not being completely connected, fixed that and everything is fine. Thanks, Forbes On 2/1/2011 10:59 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Forbes, I know this sounds stupid, but I have always found it to be true, in any battery configuration, you are only as strong as your weakest cell. It determines the output/input load. Take a hydrometer, a shorted cell will show discharge while charging. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards A week ago we received a low battery page on a solar site. We got there to find the Positive wire was oxidized and not making connection, stripped it back and it worked fine. Then we had no sun for three days, worked perfectly. When the sun came out it stopped working again, isn't that kind of backwards? On my way out again to change batteries, we use a bank of two 6v industrial batteries. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Hey me too I was 17 in 1975 :) On 1/26/2011 7:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. http://www.ubnt.com/support/downloads Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out
Yes I'm on AirMax and using 5.2.1 in all my Rockets. On 12/31/2010 5:49 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Are you utilizing AirMax ? If you are not using firmware 5.2.1, upgrade to that and the beta5 seems to be working as well. -- Original Message -- From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:54:00 -0800 Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Figuring it out
Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
I thought the hooker was the stimulus package, she costs you way more than it should, it's not ongoing pleasure, and you end up dumping even more into it before you walk away saying I could have used the money for something much greater in the scheme of things. Merry Christmas everyone, the things we talk about on Christmas eve. :) Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 12/24/2010 9:42 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: MDK- just for you. :-} -Or It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit. A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs before selecting one for the night. 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her services on credit. 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Great Steve, Now I have the scent of Pig Barn scrapings in my sensory as I try to decide what to have for lunch, thanks buddy! LOL Forbes On 12/16/2010 11:17 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: That sounds an awful lot like a conversation I would have had with my dad years ago and a letter he would have stood over me to make sure was said with proper apologetic attitude. Soon after I would be out in the pig barn scraping the walls with a putty knife since it appeared I had way too much time on my hand and needed time to think how to be more productive with my life. (Whao flash back ) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Oh sure you want to start that, huh? The 28.8 was for my dial-up ISP, I had a Datec 1200 baud modem for my BBS and my Kaypro 10 laptop used a whopping 300 baud. I used to test my lines by warble whistling into the phone. As for computers starters the TI-99 and commodore 64, I wish I was a youngster but this is my 17th year in this business and before that about three more years using only alta-vista and SIP BBS connections to this new Internet thingie. I had $50K to start my ISP at the same time my stock broker was encouraging me to buy this IPO called Netscape, sigh. On 12/16/2010 6:33 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.orgwrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] The guy's name from airSync
Spent time searching for the guy's name who put the airSync information together, 'sing' something? A little help here? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower
I have a 100 foot guyed tower on top of a hill, it was previously an FM Radio station, they moved their site, sold us the site, but continue to use this site for STL's. Since then I've added the Fire Department and a low power radio station plus my own equipment. The tower was never lighted but was red and white paint. When the FM moved off it they painted it white. Can you tell me the purpose of why they painted it and how, especially being 10 miles from an approach why we don't have to light it? Thanks, Forbes On 12/3/2010 4:42 PM, Christopher Hair wrote: Thanks for all the input. I found this document on the FAA website about Obstruction Marking and Lighting if anyone is interested for future reference . Its dated 2007. *53. POLES, TOWERS, AND SIMILAR SKELETAL* *STRUCTURES* The following standards apply to radio and television towers, supporting structures for overhead transmission lines, and similar structures. *a*/. *Top Mounted Obstruction Light.*/ *1/. Structures 150 Feet (46m) AGL or Less/*/. /Two or more steady burning (L-810) lights should be installed in a manner to ensure an unobstructed view of one or more lights by a pilot. *2*/. *Structures Exceeding 150 Feet (46m) AGL*./ At least one red flashing (L-864) beacon should be installed in a manner to ensure an unobstructed view of one or more lights by a pilot. *3*/. *Appurtenances 40 Feet (12m) or Less*. /If a rod, antenna, or other appurtenance 40 feet (12m) or less in height is incapable of supporting a red flashing beacon, then it may be placed at the base of the appurtenance. If the mounting location does not allow unobstructed viewing of the beacon by a pilot, then additional beacons should be added. *4*/. *Appurtenances Exceeding 40 Feet (12m*). /If a rod, antenna, or other appurtenance exceeding 40 feet (12m) in height is incapable of supporting a red flashing beacon, a supporting mast with one or more beacons should be installed adjacent to the appurtenance. Adjacent installations should not exceed the height of the appurtenance and be within 40 feet (12m) of the tip to allow the pilot an unobstructed view of at least one beacon. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 12:43 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower Helicopters fly at night and in the worst visibility conditions. They fly slow and hover. If there is a particular vector or direction that an antenna blocks the visibility of the beacon light it can cause these types of accidents. A helicopter would linger in a blind spot of the obstructed tower light much longer than a plane would and depending on their direction of flight could be in the blind spot for their whole flight. I too was a lighting compliance expert for a tower company. I filed hundreds of these applications and had the software to do advanced studies near airports that had precision instrument approaches. Many people do not realize that when they construct a 190 or so tower that the crane will be taller than 200ft during construction. You are required to file for a clearance for that crane to exceed the 200ft height even if it is temporary. While they can't do anything to you if you don't file, your insurance carrier will not touch any payout on a claim if it is discovered you did not do the proper paperwork. For liability reasons people want to see that letter from the FAA saying that it is not a hazard to navigation. Another big topic that most people do not realize is that you are also required to run your towers through your state DOT office (They all have an airspace group). They also have the authority to require you to light a tower. Normally the FAA will notify the proper state when you file for a site, but that does not absolve you of your requirement to make sure it has been done. I had a tower in the state of Washington where the FAA said no problem but the state DOT required us to light it. It was in a mountain pass along I-90. Their reasoning was that planes will fly below the cloud cover and follow the valley often with low clearances. They felt the tower should be lit for those circumstances. We had no choice but to light it. It does not cost much time or money to have a tower studied and then file with the FAA. To eliminate the risk of making a mistake and not meeting the proper criteria I think it's foolish not to go through the process for every new structure you build just to cover your butt. Relying solely on the TOWAIR tool on the FCC web site and/or the tool on the FAA web site makes me nervous, many times I found them to be wrong in situations where you are close to a public airfield or in the path of an instrument procedure. Instrument approaches can have an effect up to 10 nautical miles from the end of a runway. www.airspaceusa.com
[WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue
My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running flawlessly for a month now. Today I've gotten What's up pages for three outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes. Normally when it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device came back up on it's own. I was able to access the log and got this, anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this? store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda) store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully Thanks for your ideas, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue
What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I couldn't log into it during this period. On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What went down, the RouterOS box? Did it reboot? Did it fail to pass traffic for a couple of minutes? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for many many reasons. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running flawlessly for a month now. Today I've gotten What's up pages for three outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes. Normally when it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device came back up on it's own. I was able to access the log and got this, anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this? store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda) store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully Thanks for your ideas, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue
Same switch, next to each other. n 11/21/2010 7:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Network issue between Whats up and your RouterOS box, not really relevant to the bandwidth manager then. What's the network look like between the two? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I couldn't log into it during this period. On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What went down, the RouterOS box? Did it reboot? Did it fail to pass traffic for a couple of minutes? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for many many reasons. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running flawlessly for a month now. Today I've gotten What's up pages for three outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes. Normally when it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device came back up on it's own. I was able to access the log and got this, anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this? store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda) store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully Thanks for your ideas, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] best cam bang for buck?
SO assuming there is not a Ubiquiti camera in design lets imagine the features: pan/zoom/tilt 1 lux in an outdoor case with a back cover that pivots and serves as its own backhaul with a Rocket inside. Of course web based, IP assignable and all for $89 with a USB chain in case you want to piggyback a small LAN of cameras, wouldn't that be cool? Forbes On 11/17/2010 7:51 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Wait for the Ubiquiti Camera... lol. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: I want a couple of cams to put on my towers to watch critters (deer, coons, possums, ect) at night. I have fiber to the towers so no issues with pipe (I'll give open access to cams). I want to PTZ with high resolution, and just like any other WISP, I need it for about $29.95. Just kidding but what is the best bang for my buck (pun intended)? -- Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com http://www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com http://www.wifimidwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
My first LAPtop was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg. On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro WordStar?). I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN. I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute. Oh well. - Original Message - *From:* Scott Carullo mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature... Maybe one day - Auto-Everything. Just take it out of the box and plug it in. It figures out what to do where... They can call it AIRverywhere Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel FYI I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson learned the hard way. But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto channel. I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links I call this one a WIN! As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It's about time! J Just sharing. Me- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
In Washington State they already do that with United States Cellular. On 11/6/2010 10:13 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It appears they're looking for rural cellular companies (outside of the Verizon 3G coverage area) to lease the spectrum from Verizon. Then that company is to build the entire network with their own funds and then institute roaming to\from Verizon's LTE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/21/2010 7:22 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. *In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum.*** Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Board] Broadband Expo
Victoria, I'm finally getting a minute to respond, WISPA has been very busy at this show and I'm manning the booth right now. Its been pretty constant and I brought my laptop, already signed up a new vendor member and a principal member. This is a different show than the Regional meeting with other WISP groups here and vendors that we normally would not see at a WISP show such as fiber, WiMax and a huge display with DISH featuring 3D. I'm glad they aren't running 3D videos of Marlon climbing a tower :) They are likely losing money because they did everything first class from registration to the meals. Great speakers: Charlie the CEO of DISH was engaging, Johnathan Adelesten (sp?) of RUS took all the heated questions with grace. >From my standpoint DISH donated their legal counsel to help me put together a summit that I will announce soon after we work it out in committee. I guess the point I'm making is while it is 85% WISP's here we're meeting lots of very influential people that open up a lot of new opportunities for our members. The other groups and vendors are well aware of WISPA's primary role here and Oxford has put Rick in front of everyone as much as possible, I feel badly more didn't come because I'm getting almost as much from this as I did the Regional Show in a different way, we all know the members or have seen them on the list, this is like new territory.. had to take a time out from writing this signed up two more members, sweet! OH, Matt just showed up to relieve me.. off to the mapping seminar... this is a great show! Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. There's your update, we're having fun its On 11/2/2010 11:38 AM, Victoria Proffer wrote: The Expo must be wonderful since we havent had an update ;-) Packed? Informative? Lots of networking? Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] gee too bad about Weather
With all the crazy weather across the country, including our rainy high of 49 today I just checked the weather for the Broadband Expo next week. 70's! Lets drag that Summer along for three more days before returning to my city already surrounded by snow in the foothills (3 feet this week alone). For those of you coming, see you there! Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Webcam
I'm interested in putting one to two cameras at each tower then having them stream into a single DVR at our head-end. How do we accomplish that? On 10/26/2010 8:01 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Axis camera WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Can't get my 100MB
I just took delivery on a 100MB Fiber connection from Charter, we're perplexed at the variable speed tests we are getting. Charter's varies from 25 to 50MB down, speedtest.net goes to about 20-25MB down and 30 up, speakeasy doesn't go above 20MB. Charter says the cap is off on our 100MB so it should be showing that. The anatomy of our network is fiber to our head-end, goes to a Charter switch then to our Cisco 2811, then to a gig netgear switch. We're doing our speed tests on a standard browser (Firefox) in a Windows 2003 box that has a 10/100 ethernet (about 8 feet) to the gig switch. I'm debating if the 2811 is hefty enough to handle the 100MB, any ideas? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP surplussing Moto units
I'm going to list some Motorola radios for sale on eBay but I'll give first shot to my fellow WISP's, they are all used early edition and recently taken out of service: 4 5700 SM 4 5700 BH-10 2 5700 BH-20 1 5700 AP 1 5400 AP 1 5200 AP 1 5200 SM 14 reflectors Let me know if you want any before I put them on eBay. Thanks, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com (509) 853-0858 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP surplussing Moto units
Motorola brand reflectors. As for pricing I haven't really looked at their value yet, I'll look at a few sources tomorrow so I can get an idea. Forbes On 10/25/2010 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of reflectors? On Oct 25, 2010 9:38 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I'm going to list some Motorola radios for sale on eBay but I'll give first shot to my fellow WISP's, they are all used early edition and recently taken out of service: 4 5700 SM 4 5700 BH-10 2 5700 BH-20 1 5700 AP 1 5400 AP 1 5200 AP 1 5200 SM 14 reflectors Let me know if you want any before I put them on eBay. Thanks, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com (509) 853-0858 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Certainly no idle hands over at the FCC
http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/10/Policy-and-Industry-FCC-Propose-Incentive-Auctions-Legal/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?
Same boat you're in. Forbes On 10/22/2010 1:33 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan) for November 2 that they don't need? When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that night and they wait-listed me. They say there still are no rooms available for the 2nd. If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to need, maybe we could get them to change it over to my name. Just asking jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?
Here ya go Jack, SpringHill Suites Dallas DFW Airport North/Grapevine- more info 2240 W. Grapevine Mills Circle, Grapevine, TX (972) 724-5500 () 1.1 mi NE $159 for the night. On 10/22/2010 2:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote: That's handy. Do you know if they've got rooms and at what rate? On 10/22/2010 2:19 PM, Leroy wrote: The springhill suites is offering free shuttle service every 30 mins to the conference center. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need? Same boat you're in. Forbes On 10/22/2010 1:33 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan) for November 2 that they don't need? When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that night and they "wait-listed" me. They say there still are no rooms available for the 2nd. If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to need, maybe we could get them to change it over to my name. Just asking jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
I order once to twice a week from Pasadena Networks and I've never had one problem with them. Frank is easy to reach when I need an answer and their online inventory works unlike numerous other ordering places who tout what they don't have. His auto notification of when stock comes in works flawlessly and he's competitive on pricing. I'm not interested in starting a 'my place is better' war here so I'll just say I like these guys a lot so that's my recommendation. Forbes On 10/21/2010 6:52 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a- CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
1) Put the side up that's in town first and guestimate to the best of your ability (if new frequency), align to another radio on tower if already have similar freq. 2) Install remote and align to first radio 3) Back in town do final alignment of first radio. Famous phone conversation with office: Left left left, ok back right --- there lock it down, now vertical up, up, up, ok down, down, up, perfect lock it in. Then don't bump it while tightening or you'll get back to the office and check it again and go DOH! Forbes On 10/19/2010 8:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
On a couple of towers we put strobes on them and put them on the remote reboot unit. Fire em up from our smart phones when we can't find the tower for installs and such. On 10/19/2010 11:54 AM, Robert West wrote: What about the lawn chair and b-b gun? Safety equipment is always important. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:13 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL *From:* Data Technology mailto:w...@dtisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work. Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we already have. We are setting up Network Monitoring, as we speak and we are already catching some culprits that have been causing a little havoc. With our upgrade to 100MB next week we wanted hardware that can handle it, this is a learning process and we're so happy to have had the help in better understanding networks. We won't overreact and just dump Mikrotik but now with the ability to maybe catch what's causing the problem we can rest a little easier knowing that when it happens, and it will, we can read the log file and hope it's something so simple we'll just kick ourselves, as Dennis said, we hope so. The offers for help included three members committing to fly up there this weekend if we need them, Wow what a great group of people here! Thanks to everyone for their help, it's the best of WISPA when everyone pitches in to help a WISP in trouble. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of this business thats for sure. Forbes On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Ask Butch, we have a kick-ass Bandwidth manager machine, it's no good when it disables it's ports or bridge randomly. NO traffic over the Internet should have the ability to shut down the OS, Mikrotik does, Ubiquiti doesn't, simple as that. On 10/14/2010 3:44 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: You want to base your network traffic on a windows based machine?? I wouldn't put the life of my network dependent on a windows box for ANY REASON... EVER.. Thats just suicide.. Why not just build a more stable x86 mikrotik router?? Our main mikrotik bridge for bandwidth management is a quad zeon 16 gig ram and (4) 4 port mikrotik gigabit eth cards. I've yet to have to reboot it in the year and 3 months its been online, its got all the horsepower it needs. (BTW the server is a rackable systems box if ya care) And its doing queuing for our entire /20 of which I've got about 3500 address's used. Ryan On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Ya know I'd be a lot more patient for the smart a$$ comments if I didn't have to live through this, I've hired the best guys on this list to solve it and the only answer I get in the end is that shouldn't happen. I can be non-geek enough to know if I can't hire the fix it ain't gonna work. All the loyalists to a certain brand be it Mikrotik or Mac users can either say 'if he can't make that work here's our suggestion' or come sit in my chair for a while and wait for the hundreds of calls when a piece of gear just drops for no reason. I've avoided Windows like the plague and run a 100% linux back end, every ISP I bought I converted to my format, you don't have to tell me horror stories I've been in this business since the beginning. I'm inferring to a more GUI type interface, hell it could be redhat for all I know, I'm looking for solutions not preferences. On 10/14/2010 4:27 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the chair here. On 10/14/10, Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of this business thats for sure. Forbes On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Again not a true statement, $3000 for a visit by a network administrator to route us (already got the quote), $600 for a packeteer on eBay. Then we can route it ourselves because the network won't drop every day when a piece of crap router drops the ethernet port every time it sees traffic it doesn't like, who designs something like that anyway!? ZERO drops from UBNT gear and it's handling the exact same gear as the Mikrotik did, EXACT same packets. OK ok sorry I'm getting pissed now, going to walk away for the night... I just asked for alternatives, that's all. Didn't mean to walk into the MAC users group and say Windows was better. On 10/14/2010 5:01 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Sounds like you need to have someone come visit the network in person. There has to be a reasonable explination for what is going on your network, and i posit that no device you find is going to work right till that root cause is found. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Thanks Josh I'll try that Forbes On 10/14/2010 5:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend money needlessly. On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of this business thats for sure. Forbes On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions
Re: [WISPA] Solar Flare Problems
I recently replaced a Mikrotik board that blew up thus I couldn't get the MAC addresses off of it, after watching the Access List for two days we thought we had it pretty much copied over but we are still getting calls saying their down. Is there a simple way to copy and paste the MAC addresses into some program then turn access list on and copy that list to find unique MAC addresses so we can make a complete list without waiting for angry customers to call? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik Access List
Sorry Jim, perhaps I didn't say it right, we had default authenticate on so everyone could associate, then transferred it over to the access list as you said but we still appeared to have 10 or so radios not associating at the time we did the cntl-A. Now I want to open default again but I don't want to copy the list to some place I can compare the missing MAC addresses. On 10/13/2010 9:40 AM, Jim Patient wrote: Just turn on default authenticate, let them all connect and then ctr=a to select all in the registration table and copy to access list. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/13/2010 11:37 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I recently replaced a Mikrotik board that blew up thus I couldn't get the MAC addresses off of it, after watching the Access List for two days we thought we had it pretty much copied over but we are still getting calls saying their down. Is there a simple way to copy and paste the MAC addresses into some program then turn access list on and copy that list to find unique MAC addresses so we can make a complete list without waiting for angry customers to call? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank
Fire Departments should have an Access Point and recording device on the rescue vehicle and a camera with audio with wireless on their rig so they can lower it down to the victims when they first get there to better size up the condition of the payment and have instant communication. No more (Hey are you OK down there?) Hell they could put telemetry on it too. Forbes On 10/8/2010 10:23 AM, Cameron Kilton wrote: There real question is where is the safety equipment? fall arrest laynards etc. This is why we have all this equipment. If they fell and were clipped in, it just would have been more uncomfortable rather than potentially deadly. -Cameron On 10/8/2010 1:34 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: My pelican clip froze and I had replaced my wd40 with a red bull, unfortunately it did not give me wings… ~V~ *From:* RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 08, 2010 12:22 PM *To:* li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank I've got both water tanks and communication towers. I'll take the water tanks hands down as long as they're in good shape. They're much easier to work on without hangin around :) On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Nasty. Poor guys, I am saying a prayer for them. I know water towers are part of our industry, but frankly, they scare me. Got stuck on one about 80’ up in the tube and have never felt right about them since. *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Friday, October 08, 2010 11:47 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank Happening now: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Workers-Injured-After-Falling-in-Water-Tower-Tank-104575149.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3177 - Release Date: 10/07/10 13:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3177 - Release Date: 10/07/10 13:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth
I can't disclose because of NDA agreements what we pay but you should pay $15-$25 a meg. On 10/4/2010 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller. In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or Cogent would be better than MCI or ATT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. Tell them something much lower then what you really pay. rambling Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 100Mb/s from them as low as like $300 Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something like $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled the famous line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to the proven $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours. ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for $5465.04 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You can get way better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what they really call them (solutions providers?). /rambling Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net *Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH it 44 miles.. On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote: Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat that? :) On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote: I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know Thanks, Cameron Kilton On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote: What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do, won't they just undercut it by a little just to get your business? Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying for something before giving you a quote. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MUM USA
Just checked in at Phoenix, already seeing some familiar faces. Met two Canadian WISP's in the shuttle bus, going to set up the table now, pretty warm here but my room (125) is right outside of the pool, sweet! Unlike St. Louis I didn't buy booze for a room party because I knew Marlon wasn't coming, see you all at the WISPA table, tell anyone you meet this is the place to sign up, we'll have a computer at the table and they can do it right then if they want! Forbes Mercy WISPA Board Member On 9/29/2010 6:36 AM, Titan Wireless WISPA Vendor wrote: We are getting in this afternoon Regards, Titan Wireless WISPA Vendor 3914 Gattis School Rd Suite 102 Round Rock, TX 78664 Office (512) 942-6069 Fax (877) 538-6571 www.titanwirelessonline.com The content of this message is Titan Wireless LLC Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. Cliff Olle wrote: I'll be there at 4:30. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Leaving in a couple of hours for MUM in Phoenix. Who else will be there? Where are we getting together at Thursday or Friday night? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MUM USA
At 6PM Mikrotik is sponsoring early registration drinks and food in the hallway of the conference center, see you all there! Leaving in a couple of hours for MUM in Phoenix. Who else will be there? Where are we getting together at Thursday or Friday night? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's oversimplified but that's where I have to start. Forbes On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 8 Channels around here for me... http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate. Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One has 2, and a 3rd has 10! I am very interested in find the exact contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's another thing to remember... to have any usable throughput you're going to have to find several channels together. With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits. MT's N might double that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels? or will you need to pick 3 or 4? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote: It is broke. Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead. Josh Luthman wrote: I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped). Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump back to the default. Any ideas? On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/ Kind of cool I think... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] MUM
Best way to get to the conference center from the airport? On 9/26/2010 5:00 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: If anyone is interested, hitting up the Hotel Bar/Grill for some food and drinks! *--- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of Learn RouterOS http://www.routerosbook.com/ /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
I have 12 towers surrounding Yakima with my head-end in Moxee. On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, MDK wrote: It appears that you have, even if VHF-Lo turns out to be not workable, several UHF channels. Of course, if you have real estate on the hills to the north, east, and south, you're not too bad off, either. ( wife's mother lives in Yakima, son's going to be going to YVCC sometime soon, I think, I know the place somewhat.) I ran the center of town type of scenario, putting the spot somewhere a little west of the railroad tracks and just south of the downtown corridor. I suspect it may change if you move out toward Moxee or through the gap out toward Wapato, or up north toward Naches. The spectrumbridge tool works pretty decently, but it lacks explanation of some of the features. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Forbes Mercy mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Steve, What a nice email, thanks. Yes I'm at the hotel bar at LA and you're right, this was a recipe to fix the chest pain my system was giving my young heart. :) This is a very supportive list of some very good people and I'm sorry when I just lash out but Thursday's 16 hour work day and 8 outages was about all I could take. I fully understand those saying route your network but last week when I put in a gig switch with layer 3 switching to start the routing chain, just installing it caused 4 outages before I even put it on the network. Some day I think the 'gods against progress' just wait for me to start improvements then slam me with outages to keep me from finishing. I almost feel dramatic in my response but I hate drama and people who whine but I've called these experts and they all disagree use WDS, turn on STP, no don't use STP, its all so confusing when not a true geek in the literal sense. Im trying to grasp the technicalities but I'm more a marketing guy who has a pretty kick ass system and a lot of really really loyal customers, I just want to do good by them. Have a great weekend and I look forward to seeing you at MUM. Well off to bed, I'm going to go ride roller coasters tomorrow, dammit I'm not too old even at 52! Forbes On 9/17/2010 5:52 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Forbes, I understand your feelings and I hope your vacation is better than you expect. My recommendation is you have good people they can do it. Have someone hide your laptop and leave your cellphone in your room and go enjoy your vacation. Take an hour at the end of the day and check up on where things are to ease your mind. We will learn ways at MUM to help you out. Maybe you ought to pay a MTik Guru to look over your network layout and help you out. I will have such a guru riding shotgun with me at MUM. He may want to charge you for real support if you get two deep but he will give you some time I am sure on evening. But till then relax if nothing else for the weekend. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik You know its funny I read these experiences with different types of gear, mind you we have never used Mikrotik for SM's to the customers but we do use them exclusively for other things. However we have similar problems with ANY of the gear we have purchased over the years. Most the most problems we experience are nearly 90% customer related. LIke.. Well yea I unplugged it all and replugged it in and it still don't work I.E the customer plugged the gear in WRONG again.. Or I'm getting all sorts of packet-loss.. I.E the customer had roof work done and never told us so the antenna is out of alignment and or cable was cut and soldered back together. ( We get a lot of that one btw.) And EVEN with a 65.00 trip fee they continue to do stupid crap, its the nature of our business I think.. However my FAVORITE problem of all time and we have had about 9 of these is from customers on Canopy 900 units. It goes.. YOU BLEW UP MY ETHERNET AND OR MOTHERBOARD WITH YOUR GEAR!!! yes somehow we blew up the customers gear even though the SM is setup properly using a Canopy Surge Suppressor and a router between the SM and PC.. We actually had 2 customers try to Sue us over this.. And even though we won, they STILL don't believe that it wasn't us.. Stranger is that they still want to be customers.. BTW all 9 of those ended up with a bad AC line in the house or broken ground and or neutral.. My main point here is that even we the ISP's need to remember that we are dealing with mass produced electronics. Products that are made as cheaply and quickly as possible to feed our customers needs. While some of us may get years of good service from one brand others may only get months or days. To many factors go into why that is.. But in the most basic form, I'll tell you what my instructor told all of us in my DC electronics class nearly 20 years ago.. If its got a circuit board it will break in some manner.. Its only a matter of when. BTW I do know that most config issues where the config is lost and or reset is due to large amounts of static electricity hitting the gear.. Doesn't matter what gear it is.. When a large (static burst) hits the NVRAM on a board it will often erase the config. But thanks for reading.. Just my 2 cents.. Ryan On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com mailto:jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2010 04:27, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Some 411's some 433's all running 4.11, the 133's are running 3.something, all current with firmware upgrades as well, no change to speak of. On 9/17/2010 5:18 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: On 17 September 2010 04:27, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of must be your employees or that never happens got old about 20 outages ago. Today I had 8 major outages, 4 of them we found a bridge or ports erased and the IP displaying 0.0.0.0. This was an easy fix, log in and add the bridge and ports then click on the IP and it came back legitimate again. Shame we had to make the trip to the towers to do that. The other 4 not so easy, they showed the IP correctly but not in Winbox and they had the MAC address as 00.00.00.00.00, well 12 times, you get it. Those we had to pull the backhaul and reset it then reprogram it. A hellish day but we didn't miss the fact that the UBNT units never crashed no matter what this crazy bridging issue was. It was just a real bad day to be in this business but I appreciate the help that I got from Mikrotik dealers who really care to help resolve this but are as equally frustrated as I was, while aging about 3 years in one day. Like watching a baby sleep the night is uneventful after a 15 hour work day and my with my added worry about taking 4 vacation days this weekend. I wish I could trust the equipment from overreacting to every damn bit of unfriendly traffic by shutting down the LAN port or resetting the radio but I can't, it's my employees problem now but it will certainly take away from the joy of my time off since I know their attitude is more like, 'let them wait' then my feeling of 'people down is lost income', employees What hardware do you run MT on, and what versions of the software are you using? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of must be your employees or that never happens got old about 20 outages ago. Today I had 8 major outages, 4 of them we found a bridge or ports erased and the IP displaying 0.0.0.0. This was an easy fix, log in and add the bridge and ports then click on the IP and it came back legitimate again. Shame we had to make the trip to the towers to do that. The other 4 not so easy, they showed the IP correctly but not in Winbox and they had the MAC address as 00.00.00.00.00, well 12 times, you get it. Those we had to pull the backhaul and reset it then reprogram it. A hellish day but we didn't miss the fact that the UBNT units never crashed no matter what this crazy bridging issue was. It was just a real bad day to be in this business but I appreciate the help that I got from Mikrotik dealers who really care to help resolve this but are as equally frustrated as I was, while aging about 3 years in one day. Like watching a baby sleep the night is uneventful after a 15 hour work day and my with my added worry about taking 4 vacation days this weekend. I wish I could trust the equipment from overreacting to every damn bit of unfriendly traffic by shutting down the LAN port or resetting the radio but I can't, it's my employees problem now but it will certainly take away from the joy of my time off since I know their attitude is more like, 'let them wait' then my feeling of 'people down is lost income', employees Forbes On 9/16/2010 7:44 PM, RickG wrote: For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont like equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering around for personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed radio for commercial purposes. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
Very few videos make me nauseous, that one did. On 9/15/2010 9:19 AM, DJ Anderson wrote: You and me both Steve and I am not afraid of heights. -DJ Anderson Shelby Broadband *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Makes my colon pucker just watching. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:37 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I _ -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3136 - Release Date: 09/15/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Steve, All of our 2.4 are Mikrotik and we're pretty happy with that but as you say past 50 it starts to get pretty ugly. We added an M2 and put some dual polarity CPE out there, they worked great with it. We turned Airmax off because we had a non-M2 UBNT radio that we wanted to connect, it took some work but by mounting it vertically but selecting horizontal it worked, on vertical it would connect but not pass traffic. We haven't tried non-ubnt equipment like Engeinus yet but our assumption is we would actually mount the antenna horizontal and have the same result. The optimal answer is to mount it right above your Mikrotik, pick a good separation frequency then move all your M2/M5 stuff over to it first for Airmax then make all your new installs with Airmax to it. We've done this in transitioning towers over, now our UBNT M5 has more people on it than the original Mikrotik which has a comfortable 35 non-M subscribers. Again, remember to turn on Firewall rules, consider bandwidth shaping and put in rules for icmp and block 255.255.255.255 then it will give much of the same protections that you are used to on Mikrotik. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/13/2010 11:30 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later. Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] direct bury pole?
I like wooden power poles a lot, their exactly my bucket truck height and are under $1000 buried, they don't need to be guy wired and they mix in with surroundings. I go to Electrical companies to have them put in. If you have a relationship with the power company they can help too. Forbes On 9/10/2010 7:37 AM, Kevin Owen wrote: Other than a wooden utility pole, does anyone have a source for a direct bury steel pole, such as those you would see used for street lights, etc? I have a need for a client to be up ~30' for a single 1' dish. That will be the only thing ever on the pole, so it won't be loaded. It can't be guyed, and they would prefer not Rohn or other lattice structure for aesthetics. We have been asked to use something like a streetlight pole. We have never used such a pole. Has anyone used one and do you have a source for the pole? Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default
Patrick, This unit has run seamlessly for over 5 years then dumped to default twice in a day. I changed passwords again the second time and it hasn't happened yet, but that was just yesterday. We had other network issues at the same time that may have contributed. When we've had other issues we lost the two other Moto backhauls as well, the hazard of bridged networking. Thanks, Forbes On 9/9/2010 7:15 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I don't see much of anything useful in there. Is there anything in common with the ones that have lost their config? Same site, same power supply, same manufacturing batch, etc? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 10:22 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Patrick this is today's event log, no there's no sync, does this help?: 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 03:30:18 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 99 Max ExtInt 717 Cur DecInt 68 Max DecInt 180 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 47 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 6 Max FEC 328 Cur FPGA 93 Max FPGA 488 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 00:13:50 UT : 01/01/00 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 66 Cur DecInt 60 Max DecInt 178 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 65 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 60 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 61 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 18:45:04 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 18:56:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 27 Max ExtInt 601 Cur DecInt 52 Max DecInt 176 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 34 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 4 Max FEC 267 Cur FPGA 23 Max FPGA 405 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version
Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?
.. and duct tape On 9/9/2010 9:41 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Tupperware -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ? Does anyone make a radome for the NB? I am thinking I have a unit or two that could use one due to back tilt or facing the predominate winter storm path. While I bet nothing would build up for long, it might be long enough to be a issue. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Sorry, wrong issue... Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Eje and Mike Ford both posted the differences between the two units and where to use them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/9/2010 9:05 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I did not see a resolution, did I miss it? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Just had this discussion on the UBNT list a day or two ago, complete with UBNT input. http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/ubnt_users/2010-September/thread.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 10:52 PM, Francois Menard wrote: I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was used ? Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ? I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and paying the additional 200+$ per end. Opinion ? F. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default
Many thanks, I'll do that. Forbes On 9/9/2010 9:49 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I would make sure that the SNMP community string is set to something other than default, and disable write access if you're not using that functionality. I forget if it's enabled by default, but I think it is for Prizm. Also, might want to upgrade that software? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/9/2010 11:31 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Patrick, This unit has run seamlessly for over 5 years then dumped to default twice in a day. I changed passwords again the second time and it hasn't happened yet, but that was just yesterday. We had other network issues at the same time that may have contributed. When we've had other issues we lost the two other Moto backhauls as well, the hazard of bridged networking. Thanks, Forbes On 9/9/2010 7:15 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I don't see much of anything useful in there. Is there anything in common with the ones that have lost their config? Same site, same power supply, same manufacturing batch, etc? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 10:22 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Patrick this is today's event log, no there's no sync, does this help?: 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 03:30:18 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 99 Max ExtInt 717 Cur DecInt 68 Max DecInt 180 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 47 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 6 Max FEC 328 Cur FPGA 93 Max FPGA 488 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 00:13:50 UT : 01/01/00 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 66 Cur DecInt 60 Max DecInt 178 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 65 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 60 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 61 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 18:45:04 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 18:56:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp
[WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default
This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote end reset it's settings to default. I've changed passwords and it did it again within an hour of leaving. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default
2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 20:55:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 20:55:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 20:55:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 20:59:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 21:01:12 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage. 21:01:08 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 21:01:08 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 33 Max ExtInt 264 Cur DecInt 51 Max DecInt 290 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 41 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 7 Max FEC 74 Cur FPGA 26 Max FPGA 198 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0 21:01:08 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 21:01:09 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 21:01:09 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 21:01:09 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 21:01:09 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 21:01:58 UT : 09/08/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 1.0 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318 00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES 00:43:33 UT : 09/09/10 : File C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set On 9/8/2010 5:56 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Okay, if it is the PTP100/200 series, is the event log being preserved after the reset to defaults? Did you change just the user passwords or did you change the SNMP community string as well? Do you have anything plugged in to the timing port? What is the setting for the default plug action set to- reset to defaults or just bypass user login? If PTP400/500/600 series, the reset signal is sent over the power conductors feeding the ODU. It's feasible that a cable or PIDU problem could cause erroneous resets. But the same cable or PIDU problem on three separate radios would be unlikely. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The subject says BH as in BH10 or BH20... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's all the same hardware isn't it? On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: First it would help to know what model BH you have. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 6:08 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote en... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] My fun (kidding) weekend on call
Thanks for the comments Butch, this has been a busy on-call weekend with the bandwidth manager dropping twice (It actually shut the power off on the server) and several Mikrotik towers refusing to come back up until rebooted. To try to battle this I went to the WIKI for Mikrotik and entered this string: / ip firewall filter add chain=input connection-state=established comment="Accept established connections" add chain=input connection-state=related comment="Accept related connections" add chain=input connection-state=invalid action="" comment="Drop invalid connections" add chain=input protocol=udp action="" comment="UDP" disabled=no add chain=input protocol=icmp limit=50/5s,2 comment="Allow limited pings" add chain=input protocol=icmp action="" comment="Drop excess pings" add chain=input protocol=tcp dst-port=22 comment="SSH for secure shell" add chain=input protocol=tcp dst-port=8291 comment="winbox" # End of Edit # add chain=input action="" log-prefix="DROP INPUT" comment="Log everything else" add chain=input action="" comment="Drop everything else" Immediately after implementing this WhatsUp indicated: bandwdith manager HTTP(Down at least 5 min) So how can I protect my bandwidth manager and still monitor it at the same time? I guess I could disable HTTP monitor and do pings on the monitor software. Three more quick questions: 1) I didn't put in these lines because I wasn't sure what IP's to use, same problem when I installed PRTG I'm not sure what IP's I need to monitor within the system to watch: # Edit these rules to reflect your actual IP addresses! # add chain=input src-address=159.148.172.192/28 comment="From Mikrotikls network" add chain=input src-address=10.0.0.0/8 comment="From our private LAN" 2) The "add chain=input action="" log-prefix="DROP INPUT" comment="Log everything else"" command indicates there is a log that I can watch foul traffic, where do I find that log? 3) Is there more sets of examples for firewalls for my Mikrotik routers somewhere, I'm searching WIKI's right now. Thanks for the help, hope your weekend is going well, I already have logged 100 miles just chasing outages down in the last 12 hours. Forbes On 9/5/2010 10:39 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 14:15 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I keep adding filters as traffic presents itself but help and training is very expensive and extraordinarily technical While I would disagree that training is "very expensive", I would have to agree that it is very technical in nature. My training sessions are normally under $300/day for students (not counting hotels/flights/etc.). On my backhauls when one Mikrotik goes down its not unusual for the foul traffic to permeate throughout (yes I'm bridged) the network and take down other Mikrotik's and often requires a drive to reboot then they work fine again, irritating, yes but still great equipment. Training would be especially good if you could learn something that would keep you from having to roll a truck even once every 2 weeks. It wouldn't take long to pay for that. Ubiquiti is a monster for power and throughput, it's menus are basic but filters entry options are slim and limited to IP rather than by protocol so some things sneak through that wouldn't with Mikrotik. This, unfortunately, is one "cost" of less expensive gear. FWIW, you have most of the same functionality available in both platforms, but it's just not in the GUI for UBNT. I promised an analogy so here goes, I feel from experience that Mikrotik is the Linux of equipment, you better know what you're doing when you buy it. UBNT is linux, too. :-) Ubiquiti is like Windows, pretty GUI driven, and simplified at a reasonable cost. You have access to iptables and more in the ssh/telnet interface with Ubiquiti. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I'll weigh in here, I have almost an equal mix of Ubiquiti and Mikrotik I'll detail each plus put a summary analogy for these and Motorola at the end of my email. One of the things that jumps out on me is how raw Mikrotik is, if you want to be able to write every filter, detail every part of the packets, and throughput, it is a very robust piece of equipment. I use it as my primary backhauls and about 70% of my AP's other than a few that shouldn't happen problems they perform admirably. I keep adding filters as traffic presents itself but help and training is very expensive and extraordinarily technical On my backhauls when one Mikrotik goes down its not unusual for the foul traffic to permeate throughout (yes I'm bridged) the network and take down other Mikrotik's and often requires a drive to reboot then they work fine again, irritating, yes but still great equipment. I was 90% Mikrotik until Ubiquiti came along. Ubiquiti is a monster for power and throughput, it's menus are basic but filters entry options are slim and limited to IP rather than by protocol so some things sneak through that wouldn't with Mikrotik. As a backhaul they do seem to ignore foul traffic so I'm assuming Ubiquiti entered a bunch of filters by default because these units just don't go down, ever. Their user table as an AP is not very friendly, limited to MAC without a description line so we have to look everyone up by MAC now. I have integrated Ubiquiti for all of my 5 Gig customer AP's and kept Mikrotik for 2.4 just because its not necessary to replace working radios. The M format is amazing and has moved us up a notch in delivery capability, oh and it's cheap as hell so I can afford to deploy twice as fast as before. I promised an analogy so here goes, I feel from experience that Mikrotik is the Linux of equipment, you better know what you're doing when you buy it. Motorola is the Apple of equipment, do what they say and pay a ton and you'll get a near-flawless product that you have almost no control over, you just won't be able to deploy very fast due to the cost. Ubiquiti is like Windows, pretty GUI driven, and simplified at a reasonable cost. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com On 9/3/2010 1:50 PM, Data Technology wrote: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe. I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO. I know Rocket will be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the amount of bandwidth and packets they can process. I am leaning towards MT on the links and Rocket for AP. I am concerned about the plastic cases. I really like having the boards in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well. I know I have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded. With MT I can put ethernet surge protection in the enclosure. What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and reliability of Rockets? Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks and have a great Labor Day. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not $5-800 like a full-sized one. Since all they are is for diagnostics I don't need the power of a full-size laptop. The Costco brands are not bad, I have a Samsung and it runs great. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/2/2010 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Oh I don't blame them per se we all have a level of protectionism for what is ours, it's human nature. They have an advantage and they use it, I know few CEO's that wouldn't. On 8/13/2010 3:18 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so territorial. What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change. This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
[WISPA] MT question
You're basic 433 with an SR2, Winbox sees both but the R isn't by the SR2. We checked bridge then port and they're all set up right, there is the hash mark next to the SR2 but they won't bridge traffic, no one registers and field tests don't detect the radio. So is it the board or the SR2? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT question
AP and no WDS On 8/10/2010 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Is it a station or AP? Do you have WDS enabled? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: You're basic 433 with an SR2, Winbox sees both but the R isn't by the SR2. We checked bridge then port and they're all set up right, there is the hash mark next to the SR2 but they won't bridge traffic, no one registers and field tests don't detect the radio. So is it the board or the SR2? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT question
Hmm now why didn't I think of that I knew better, I had better go test it myself. On 8/10/2010 11:25 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: Is anyone registered to that wireless interface? If not, then the R shouldn't show up as it is not running until something is connected to it. ryan On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: You're basic 433 with an SR2, Winbox sees both but the R isn't by the SR2. We checked bridge then port and they're all set up right, there is the hash mark next to the SR2 but they won't bridge traffic, no one registers and field tests don't detect the radio. So is it the board or the SR2? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
