Edgar,
That's interesting.
I see that it may take as much (long) as three days for the distasteful Oleic
acid to form after an ant's death.
The ant bodies I saw being carried back to the anthills were bodies of ants
recently killed in battles with ants of other colonies. The battles and
joe..
do some research on ants..and if the ants did eat their dead... so what.?..
maybe we need to take a leaf out of their book...our graveyards are absurd...
our funeral rites are plain silly
give me a Tibetan funeral any day of the week
why waste all that good quality protein?
merle
Merle,
quoting:
why waste all that good quality protein?
There are sentient beings underground who feast on that protein, not to worry.
It is not wasted. The biosphere is one big recycling unit.
A hush-hush scandal in the pet-food industry concerns rendering, and the use
of dead pets in pet
Joe,
Reread my post. They make isolated grave middens down there to place dead ants
in. That's why..
Edgar
On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
That's interesting.
I see that it may take as much (long) as three days for the distasteful Oleic
acid to form after an ant's
Merle,
I agree. I opt for a sky burial up on top of my hill I've named Vulture Peak
where the vultures soar around all day. That way I get to soar around with the
vultures all day too after I die...
Edgar
On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
joe..
do some research on
Edgar,
Aha!, so you didn't mean separate areas away from their main colony's entrance
/ exit.
I know that, underground, their tunnel system is very varied and specialized.
But usually, in the Animal kingdom, a midden is a food hoard, not a
graveyard, or a landfill.
Maybe Merle is right,
Some bury them away from the nest.
On Jun 23, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Aha!, so you didn't mean separate areas away from their main colony's
entrance / exit.
I know that, underground, their tunnel system is very varied and specialized.
But usually, in the Animal kingdom,
Group,
Continuing the thread begun the other day, I'll tag-on the original post, and I
herewith add the conversation between Master and Novice that begins the text of
this ancient Chinese Ch'an writing, THE CEASING OF NOTIONS, from the Dunhuang
Caves.
Usually I don't post quoted segments
Thanks Joe for that information. Interesting and have seen that website on
Keeling Curve.
My question of where is god? is for those orthodoxy Hindus to wake up from
their dream of god, not for zen members.
Best regards
Suresh
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Suresh,
Yes, I understand.
My study and understanding of orthodox Hinduism is not very thorough and
complete. I know there are several varieties. And their history is very long.
So, are the orthodox not practicing as they should?
Maybe you are saying that the God they recognize is not
Merle,
I dunno what-is-it the super moon. I only know Astronomy, and its objects.
But I'll give a look later to the link you provide.
Despite any lights that may pollute your skies, it may not be so bad. That's
why I asked specifically if you DO see the Milky Way, and if you see the Clouds
Merle,
I see; just a Full Moon near the time of Lunar Perigee.
If you're near the coast, watch out for super high tide! And super Low Tide,
12 hours later. ;-)
Good time to go fishin'? Or, beach combing.
We'll enjoy a Full Moon here in clear desert skies, rather low in the sky, the
lowest
joe..send me a link to sky stuff to google..there are no neighbours here with
any milky way knowledge... thanks..merle
Merle,
I dunno what-is-it the super moon. I only know Astronomy, and its objects.
But I'll give a look later to the link you provide.
Despite any lights that may
Merle,
The Milky Way is that wide diffuse band of light, made up of myriad stars.
It's washed-out this week because of moonlight. Wait about a week until the
sky is a little dark again.
The Clouds of Magellan are two satellite galaxies of our galaxy, which look
like detached bright parts of
Merle,
I worked in Sydney for CBA for about 6 months. During that time my wife and I
took a train trip up into the mountains to a town called Katoomba. Do you live
near there?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 here in my neck of the
bill... i live on the other side of the blue mountains..
there are 2 ways to go out west..one through katoomba...great western highway...
and bells line of road...
i live off bells line of road at top of blue mountains.
on this side it is less populated and train line stops at
what year was that bill?...and where did you live in sydney?..merle
Merle,
I worked in Sydney for CBA for about 6 months. During that time my wife and I
took a train trip up into the mountains to a town called Katoomba. Do you live
near there?
...Bill!
--- In
joe..i found my book secret of the golden flower which i read in 1984... so
i need to refresh before i can answer...
whilst looking in my library i came across a tasty book..zen soup...lawrence
g boldt
too much bedtime reading at moment...ploughing through corruption in mexico at
Merle,
I was there the last half of 2004. I lived in an apartment just a block from
the Sydney Opera House on Circular Quay.
My wife visited there several times staying a couple weeks each time.
We both really liked Sydney.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
bill
yes it's a wonderful city..great harbour ..you were in a good spot.merle
Merle,
I was there the last half of 2004. I lived in an apartment just a block from
the Sydney Opera House on Circular Quay.
My wife visited there several times staying a couple weeks each time.
We both
Merle,
The marvels and realizations you mention are ones that have had me going since
I was ten. That's a long time, now.
They led first to my career in Philosophy; and, then to my career in Natural
Science (Natural Philosophy, as so-called in the 19th Century).
And I've had the super-duper
joe..many thanks merle
Merle,
The marvels and realizations you mention are ones that have had me going since
I was ten. That's a long time, now.
They led first to my career in Philosophy; and, then to my career in Natural
Science (Natural Philosophy, as so-called in the 19th
although we..the group might tiff a bitt now and then...
it's good to air things...
i am sure there is much accord
after all we are not all robots singing the same tune..
diversity adds flavour
i am curious chris ...
what is your life story if i maybe so bold to ask?
enjoy your week at the
bill..you are so so right...merle
Merle,
From a capitalistic point of view nothing is 'sacred' or 'off-limits' to buy
and sell. We buy and sell animals, people, children, internal organs stolen
from living people. Some things are illegal but nothing is 'sacred' - from a
capitalistic
Suresh,
Why are you expecting an order? There is no order. Just THIS!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
Forgive me, Again conversations of other forums.
Since I like comments on these I am posting these.
Suresh
Dear Sir,
Where is
Suresh,
I don't know if it's an explanation, but I understand that Climate Change is
having effects upon the annual Monsoon, and the general atmospheric circulation
over the Himalaya.
Many have been viewing with alarm the accelerating increase of concentration in
greenhouse gases. Keeling
here in my neck of the woods..the greatest fear is bush fires...merle
Suresh,
I don't know if it's an explanation, but I understand that Climate Change is
having effects upon the annual Monsoon, and the general atmospheric circulation
over the Himalaya.
Many have been viewing with alarm
thank you joe..merle
Merle,
Why do you say a sin, when I say God bless?
Is that eyeglass prescription still far off from being up-to-date?
What I give is an encouragement!
And a blessing... as if I COULD. I bless with all that is holy.
But, my spirit wants to encourage and bless.
hail mary or heil hitler?... heh?..merle
Merle,
Oh, wait a lil' minut... .
You may not mean Zen sin.
What if you mean Zenshin? Zen Shin?
Zen Mind.
Yes! Zenshin! Zen Shin!
Zen Mind.
No-Mind.
OK, Hail!
HAIL!
TNX,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
is this a zen sin
are we not all buddhas or demons...which one are you?..merle
Merle,
They're both real experiences, of course; and, they relate to each other.
The difference among them is that, in one, we are more awake.
Via Zen practice, and through Zen awakening, we are maximally awake.
The Buddha
trivialised or not...chris..every bit counts in the scheme of
things...enlightenment may come in many forms, let us not scoff at trivia but
embrace it as part of the endless pursuit of man to find meaning in life...merle
http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/
Chris, Merle, Joe, et al...
Could you get anymore trivial and any more true than the saying which is also
the title of a book: selling water by the river?
What is more trivial than water? What is more precious than water?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
excellent bill
never dreamt of the day in australia when they would sell water..now it is
so...and next will be air...and bottled sunshine..merle
Chris, Merle, Joe, et al...
Could you get anymore trivial and any more true than the saying which is also
the title of a book: selling
joe..taoist..so?..merle
Merle,
Sure. It's Taoist.
What did you find about the book that stands out for you?; you tell me first,
then I'll tell. tnx,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
yes the book of the golden flower wothwhile...have you read it joe?...merle
Merle,
...and as you and Chris noted in an early post they've already started selling
Buddha Nature and enlightenment...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 excellent billÂ
never dreamt of the day in australia when they would sell
Merle,
It could be worse...they could be offering for sale their live mother's
fingernails... :(
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill!..yes anything to make a quid!... i have a saying: those same folk
would sell their dead mother's
What is more trivial than selling water by the river? Maybe hoping that
reason can save one?
Perhaps rather than the word trivial, I should have said the language taken
from Japan and ancient India and China lead Westerners to assume that zazen
is about some quick fix, pulling down some low
I think the inescapable meanness in your words here show very well that
there is no permanent essence attached to persons or to awakening.
Sometimes Merle's words show she gets it, at that time. Sometimes your
words show that. Everyone that writes here has I think missed the mark
from time to
bill i only realised after i posted this... they do sell
fingernails...acrylic ones... is nothing sacred ?..merle
Merle,
It could be worse...they could be offering for sale their live mother's
fingernails... :(
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
a comforting well thought out post chris...merle
I think the inescapable meanness in your words here show very well that there
is no permanent essence attached to persons or to awakening. Sometimes Merle's
words show she gets it, at that time. Sometimes your words show that.
Everyone
You lost me, Merle. You must have gotten up earlier than me today, by far.
;-) --Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
hail mary or heil hitler?... heh?..merle
Merle,
Oh, wait a lil' minut... .
You may not mean Zen sin.
What if you mean Zenshin? Zen Shin?
Zen Mind.
Merle,
The Buddha was awake. If you are awake, you are a Buddha.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
are we not all buddhas or demons...which one are you?..merle
Merle,
They're both real experiences, of course; and, they relate to each other.
The difference among them is
Bill!,
I think Mike may have practiced with Kennett Roshi, BTW. Or, someone else here
mentioned they had.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Chris, Merle, Joe, et al...
Could you get anymore trivial and any more true than the saying which is also
the title of a book: selling water by
Merle,
Now you tell us what stands out about the book for you, please.
I told you I know it is Taoist.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..taoist..so?..merle
Merle,
Sure. It's Taoist.
What did you find about the book that stands out for you?; you tell me first,
Bill!,
It's a bad business-plan, if so.
Zen practice is too painful for most who are new to it. --Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Merle,
...and as you and Chris noted in an early post they've already started
selling Buddha Nature and enlightenment...
Chris,
Advanced just means not (as) prone to trivialize (misunderstand, misconstrue)
as others. What else could it mean?
If that is mean, and that's the way you take it, you may be trivializing it.
We're adults here, and have racked-up a history on these boards, and know
something about the
Merle,
Chris had a concern that Americans, as a body, in general, mis-understand or
trivialize Zen, if I take him correctly, there.
I wrote in effect that that same body of Americans may not be so badly off,
after all, in the degree or amount to which they trivialize or concretize Zen
or
no joe... i am one with chris on this... merle
Chris,
Advanced just means not (as) prone to trivialize (misunderstand, misconstrue)
as others. What else could it mean?
If that is mean, and that's the way you take it, you may be trivializing it.
We're adults here, and have racked-up a
Merle,
No, nothing is sacred. Nothing is damned. It's only our dualistic,
discriminating mind that makes it seem that way.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill i only realised after i posted this... they do sell
Merle, Chris and Joe...
Chris' post was well thought out. His posts usually are, even the ones I
disagree with. In this one I especially liked his observation that especially
on this site Everyone that writes here has I think missed the mark from time
to time.
I do think however a good deal
Merle,
...but we've got drones. Doesn't that count for something?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe...what the hell does this mean?...see a snip of your post below
i'll have you know in many circles here in the down under land, americans
Nice!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
water holds up the boat;
water may also sink the boat
emperor taizong... (600-649, tang dynasty)
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
Current Book Discussion: any Zen
Merle, Chris, et al...
My general position on this is that Truth is very simple and shouldn't
really have to be explained at all.
To support my point I will include a Cartoon Quote from Einstein looking
very thoughtful with which I agree:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
yes bill..i am one with this...merle
Merle, Chris, et al...
My general position on this is that Truth is very simple and shouldn't really
have to be explained at all.
To support my point I will include a Cartoon Quote from Einstein looking very
thoughtful with which I agree:
...Bill!
yes bill..good observation...merle
Merle, Chris and Joe...
Chris' post was well thought out. His posts usually are, even the ones I
disagree with. In this one I especially liked his observation that especially
on this site Everyone that writes here has I think missed the mark from
bill..i am referring to the monetary value..noting escapes the dollar..all is
for sale..is nothing sacred and priceless?...merle
Merle,
No, nothing is sacred. Nothing is damned. It's only our dualistic,
discriminating mind that makes it seem that way.
...Bill!
--- In
I am often charged with having no sense of humor, indeed and in person. A
defensive posture adopted for often being puzzled by human interaction.
I will try to act from a stance that all here have good will. I myself am
about to pack up my zafu for a trip back to my family of origin, to share a
Merle,
From a capitalistic point of view nothing is 'sacred' or 'off-limits' to buy
and sell. We buy and sell animals, people, children, internal organs stolen
from living people. Some things are illegal but nothing is 'sacred' - from a
capitalistic point of view.
'Priceless'? That's
Chris,
I do agree with you both in changing the emphasis on the term to 'meeting God',
and I do agree with you that all these terms are made up after-the-fact to try
to communicate a holistic experience in dualistic terms (language). Not an
easy task.
I also think 'Buddha Nature' and
Bill,
Buddha Nature is not so much everything as the true formless nature of
everything in which their forms appear.
If all forms disappear Buddha Nature is still there. it's the fundamental
nameless 'stuff' of reality that makes whatever form appears within it real.
Buddha Nature is like the
Edgar,
No, your explanation below is not trivial at all. That's just what I said in
my previous post. It's super-sizing it.
Buddha Nature is Just THIS!
That's trivial.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Buddha Nature is not so much
I wasn't really referring to the case when people with a lot of aware
experiences of buddha nature trivialize it - that seems like a non-problem
to me.
I was referring to the tendency of [my, i.e. US] culture to trivialize
everything, especially stuff from other traditions, e.g.
Edgar,
Keep forgetting.
It's the best way.
In our way.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Your angry insults are gone as soon as I scan them and don't even faze me...
You seem to be attached to what I've long forgotten...
Current Book
Edgar,
Your reply is off-topic.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
More total Catholic BS. God couldn't care less what any humans think or
do
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it
Edgar,
No.
It was not a master. It was one of two brother monks.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Remember the story of the master who carried the pretty young girl across the
river?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you
Bill!,
'WAY down in the basement, I say. Several flights downwards.
But, the wine-cellar; the wine-cellar!:
Is my Chateau d'Yquem Sauternes so mundane as all that? No, sir: it is the
very nectar of this planet, this Life, in this sector of the Galaxy.
Find me another such, and I will say
Chris,
I never heard such stuff. Dunno where you may be coming from.
It may be just a geographic or cultural proclivity, or merely and importantly
personal.
I hope you and your chosen teacher will take these things up, if they are
important in (Zen) practice.
Best,
--Joe
Chris
http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA
http://zenhabits.net/
I believe you must simply be failing to understand my words here. You've
never seen US culture trivialize zen?
http://cherrycrime26.hubpages.com/hub/Meditation-Techniques-To-Manifest-Money
Chris,
You're wrapped-up in your reading.
I say, God bless.
Passion is passion. It is the best, where applied.
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA
http://zenhabits.net/
I believe you must simply be
Wrong, reread it...
Edgar
On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
No.
It was not a master. It was one of two brother monks.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Remember the story of the master who carried the pretty young girl across
the river?
Edgar,
They are on a par. Like Jack Parr.
The key point is that one could let it go; the other did not know how to.
Let it go, Edgar.
--J.
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Wrong, reread it...
Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you
Chris,
I've seen Merle trivialize it, in every post. Hi, Cous'! Luv ya.
Compared to / with her posts, Americans are more advanced in practice than you
and me.
Trivialize? I'm an old man, C. This goes / has gone with the territory. But,
find yourself in a community of practitioners, and
yes chris..you are on the correct path to this trivial...i think edgar calls
it comic book zen...merle
http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA
http://zenhabits.net/
I believe you must simply be failing to understand my words here. You've never
joe..chris is making an observation...respect this... merle
Chris,
I never heard such stuff. Dunno where you may be coming from.
It may be just a geographic or cultural proclivity, or merely and importantly
personal.
I hope you and your chosen teacher will take these things up, if they
joe...what nectar?...you not stealing from the bees again?...merle
Bill!,
'WAY down in the basement, I say. Several flights downwards.
But, the wine-cellar; the wine-cellar!:
Is my Chateau d'Yquem Sauternes so mundane as all that? No, sir: it is the
very nectar of this planet, this
Merle,
I respect all Observers.
--Joe / Observational Astronomer
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 joe..chris is making an observation...respect this... merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading!
Merle,
You're just a tender Egoist. I can't blame you. You provide a prime example.
I don't mean to toast or roast you, specifically, pointedly. You're just a
victim who happens to be close at hand and who everybody here knows, as far as
her trivialization of Zen goes, in the past.
You're
Merle,
Oh, wait a lil' minut... .
You may not mean Zen sin.
What if you mean Zenshin? Zen Shin?
Zen Mind.
Yes! Zenshin! Zen Shin!
Zen Mind.
No-Mind.
OK, Hail!
HAIL!
TNX,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
is this a zen sin joe?...merle
Edgar,br/br/Thank you for sharing that personal experience. It reminds me
of this haiku by Buson :br/br/The thwack of an ax br/in the heart of a
thicket br/and woodpecker's tat-tats!br/br/Of course, it could be written
about any country where there are woodpeckers, but if you've been to Japan,
;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 7:21:34 PM
All,
Actually this Dharma Drum reference reminds me of one of my realization
experiences
One night during the period I was walking through Japan I spent the night
sleeping
Edgar, Joe and Merle,
Actually I don't think God and Buddha Nature have much in common at all. One
is an illusion and the other is an experience.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Edgar,
Almost!
Maybe you mean substitute Buddha Nature for God.
Bill,
In your mind maybe but I just define them as the same thing
Edgar
On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar, Joe and Merle,
Actually I don't think God and Buddha Nature have much in common at all. One
is an illusion and the other is an experience.
...Bill!
--- In
Edgar,
Yes, I see that you define them as the same thing. That's fine. I don't
however. I assume that's fine too...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
In your mind maybe but I just define them as the same thing
Edgar
On Jun
Bill,
Why not define God as a positive reality rather than a religious delusion?
Edgar
On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar,
Yes, I see that you define them as the same thing. That's fine. I don't
however. I assume that's fine too...
...Bill!
--- In
Edgar,
Because God is a delusion and not a reality.
I could go with the 'religious' modifier of delusion, but WTF is a 'positive'
reality? I mean reality is reality. There's no positive or negative about it.
It's just reality.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen
Positive in the sense of actual as opposed to illusory
By defining God as a delusion (the way the religions do) you clutter your mind
with one more very BIG delusion.
If you simply define God as the universe whose nature is Buddha Nature you
clear and clean your mind..
That's why.
Edgar
energy ; )). So why do you now argue that such break-thru's can
only happen after using rationality and intellectual reasoning?
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light
Sent
Edgar,
Your train of thought amazes me sometimes.
I don't clutter up my mind with god because even if I think about god, like
when someone asks a question or makes a statement about him/her, I'm not
attached to the thought.
It's attachments that stick around and cause the clutter, not the
;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 7:21:34 PM
All,
Actually this Dharma Drum reference reminds me of one of my realization
experiences
One night during the period I was walking through Japan I spent the night
sleeping in a field
after using rationality and intellectual
reasoning?
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgarowen@...;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 7:21:34 PM
All,
Actually
argue that
such break-thru's can only happen after using rationality and
intellectual reasoning?
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgarowen@;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light
Sent
Merle,
They're both real experiences, of course; and, they relate to each other.
The difference among them is that, in one, we are more awake.
Via Zen practice, and through Zen awakening, we are maximally awake.
The Buddha awoke, and when asked about what was different with him then, he is
Merle,
The ride is always rocky.
Culture has a way of surviving. And of being transmitted.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
hi joe thank you for the clarification..hitler tried to stamp out culture and
impose his own ideas...so did stalin as did mao...the rocky ride is in the
Merle,
Sure. It's Taoist.
What did you find about the book that stands out for you?; you tell me first,
then I'll tell. tnx,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
yes the book of the golden flower wothwhile...have you read it joe?...merle
Bill!, Edgar,
Nobody's act of defining changes the fact that one is an experience and one
is an illusion.
Christian Contemplative Mystics experience God, and they suppose that the
Buddha Nature they've heard about is some poor unsaved person's illusion;
Zen Buddhists experience Buddha Nature
Edgar,
Defining is clutter. One more non-water-soluble brick in the mind.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Positive in the sense of actual as opposed to illusory
By defining God as a delusion (the way the religions do) you clutter your
mind with one more very BIG delusion.
Edgar,
Nope. Some people enter the path entirely for Aesthetic reasons, and reasons
of the Heart. But you don't know any such people personally, and are not one
of them.
You obviously only preach what you know, and what you know is shockingly little
and limited.
--Joe
Edgar Owen
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Mike
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All,
Actually this Dharma Drum reference
Joe,
Thanks for the laugh!
The guy who claims reason and understanding is an irrelevant impediment claims
HE has more of it than me!
:-)
Edgar
On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Nope. Some people enter the path entirely for Aesthetic reasons, and reasons
of the Heart.
Joe,
Wrong as usual. God is a defined concept in the minds of men. There is nothing
'out there' in the real world that has a little paper label with god written on
it. Thus it's best to define it as a name for something that actually really
exists such as the universe rather than something
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