You left out Chapel Hill, HC.
Jon
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
> Ron Scott wrote:
> >That's fine. The politics can come later--as you gain more light
Aw, Gary, you're sweet.
Age has never been relevant for me. In the big scheme of things, we're
all ageless.
Tom died at age 69 (he'd be 71 now), I am now 45. I wouldn't want anyone
young enough to be my son, however.
Also, someone who doesn't mind the extremes in temperature and weather
that In
I know not all are that way, but around here there are no LDS widowers,
and online resources are all that are available. Of those, the majority
don't want a widow. I realize that is not accurate for all men, but it
seems to be the general feeling online.
Now, if I could find someone like Pres.
At 04:00 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B.
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the
complete (to my knowledg
At 01:43 PM 11/7/03 -0900, John W. Redelfs wrote:
There is a worldwide BYU Alumni satellite broadcast tonight, but I don't
know the time. Is anyone here planning to attend? --JWR
I didn't know that the Shuttle was even flying again, much less taking
passengers, so I doubt if I'll be going to
John W. Redelfs wrote:
There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.
Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each? If
not, they should be on a ten year reading list. --JWR
Grampa Bill comments:
Sounds to me like a shameless
Grampa Bill in Savannah wrote:
It has been written that if a boy does not grow up to be a better man than
his father, then they are both failures. Can we parphrase that to say that
if a boy doesn't grow up to be further to the right than his father (or
mother) then they are both failures?
Sounds
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
When my 5th son was an undergraduate here, he used to complain all the
time about some of his left-wing, commie professors, with their
touchy-feely pseudo-intellectual clap-trap. It was a treat to listen
to him. But then he calls his mother a socialist, too.
=
In an effort to document Ron Scott's assertion that there will be very few
Sons of Perdition, a number so small they can be counted on the fingers of
one hand, I have been studying a few dozen of the references out of the
many hundreds available on my CD-ROM, and I have learned a few things.
1)
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FAIR Apologetics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ZION] BYU Alumnus Broadcast
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:43:51 -0900
There is a worldwide BYU Alumni satellite broadcast tonight, but I don't
know the time. Is anyone here plann
Lew Thomas wrote:
You are invited to the Tabernacle on Temple Square in Salt Lake City on
FRIDAY, NOV. 7, FROM 7 TO 8 P.M. to hear President Gordon B. Hinckley
and new BYU President Cecil O. Samuelson speak at a Worldwide Alumni
Gathering.
Because we do not have email addresses for all our BYU al
"Evidently many among us have made a dreadful mistake, but not
unpardonable, in thinking that the sons of perdition will be very few. We
have heard it said at times that they will be so few that they probably
could be "counted on the fingers of one hand." Where this thought
originated we may no
At 03:43 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
There is a worldwide BYU Alumni satellite broadcast tonight, but I don't
know the time. Is anyone here planning to attend? --JWR
Here is a copy of the email I got about it.
Dear Wasatch Front BYU Alumni:
You are invited to the Tabernacle on Temple Square in S
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B.
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, S
At 01:11 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of
the books (Or selec
There is a worldwide BYU Alumni satellite broadcast tonight, but I don't
know the time. Is anyone here planning to attend? --JWR
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Seems to me that a few years ago this list had a single sister on it who
said she preferred being single in the Celestial Kingdom, and just being
a ministering angel in God's presence. That being the case, there may be
more to this than we think...
Gary
Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz wrote:
>
>
http://www.topica.com/lists/zion/read/
Gary
Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
> Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts
> on
> line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.
>
> Ron Scott
>
>
>
Gerald (Gary) Smith
geraldsmith@ juno.com
http://
This would be my bio:
Sander J. "Sandy" Rabinowitz
PO Box 1195
Spring Hill, TN 37174-1195
USA
* Age: 35
* Married (14 July 2001):
Melinda Samson, Nashville Tennessee Temple.
* Children: Andrea Ruth, 21 mos.
* Baptized: 23 January 1993, as a convert
(Previously, no formal religious affiliatio
I have no problem with what you have said, I think that I can agree with it
all.
As I said the question was quite different.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Off
Well, Gary even if your interpretation is not true, the conclusions are. We
need to stand in Holy Places.
Recently this was brought home to me more than for some time as I discussed
the 200 years of peace after the Saviour visited this land. The idea was
that it was not a universal, hemispherica
What a great response Gary. I beleive you are right, although I think the
number will be very small, whatever that means, just because the
requirements are so high.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Gerald Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 20
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of
the books (Or selections) I have already read so I mi
What is feng shui?
How does it reconcile with living the gospel of Christ?
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Here is my brief bio:
Steven Ray Montgomery
5055 Tomahawk
Enoch UT 84720
Fifty years old and happily married to the former Mary Jane Rising.
Mary hails from Grand Forks North Dakota and is a convert to the Church
from Catholicism.
Mary brought with her two kids from a former marriage, Kristi--age
I'm currently reading:
_The Moral Basis of a Free Society_, by H. Verlan Andersen.
"Lysistrata," by Aristophanes.
_The Hound of the Baskervilles_, by Arthur Conan Doyle.
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerd
Cousin Bill wrote:
I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm
currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had
decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
go with that. My litt
Oh, man, how can a nut make THAT mistake? We was thinking, as Ron will
easily recognize, of Walnut Hill, which is where, in Natick?
Till the embarrassed (t least it was a cocunut!)
At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote:
My
youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of
George Cobabe wrote:
>
> I suspect we shall soon be kicked off for daring to discuss this, but
> what
> the hey.
>
> Where in 131 does it say this? I read Celestial Glory, not the
> Celestial
> Kingdom.
In the prior post, I used "kingdom" and "glory" interchangibly. Perhaps
there is a diff
Gerald Smith wrote:
I'm currently reading this note you sent. ;-)
I'm also involved in "how to write science fiction and fantasy" by our
own Orson Scott Card; and "The Book of J" edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary
This is really a coincidence. I'm reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Bloom,
and he makes
I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the
Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through
any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information
whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God
is excellen
Val,
What age range are you looking for in a guy? Maybe a few of us could
look for potential candidates in our areas for you.
Gary
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:36:29 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> >
> > John W. Redelfs wrote:
> > ---
> > Woul
> -Original Message-
> From: Elmer L. Fairbank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours
>
>
> At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote:
> > My
> >youngest daughter attends
At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote:
My
youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of Newton:
Ah, yes, nice school. We (meaning Ithaca Ballet**) have one of our girls
gong there this year, Dasha Kittridge, as a drama major. A marvelously
talented and beautiful youn
Ron Scott wrote:
Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts on
line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.
http://topica.com/lists/zion/read
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Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
It's even harder for an older (middle-aged) widow. I wouldn't mind
finding a time-only companion. But it seems that the widowers in the
church want to be sealed to another woman, instead of finding one who is
already sealed. At my bishop's behest I tried LDSPlanet
Ron Scott wrote:
If she lives in Newton and attends the "regular" ward for the city (as
opposed to the many student wards in Cambridge) she goes ( I assume, given
her relationship to you, that she's "active") to church in Weston, where
I'm supposed to. Her bishop is a very good friend, Cary Hopki
At 08:28 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote:
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens. A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective. Chap
At 08:20 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote:
That's fine, Till. However I do not think you know the question in mind.
You see, I find Sec 132 more that supportative and I believe it to be true
as well. It is the scriptures, including 132, that I find supportive.
With all due respect, my frien
From: Gerald Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom,
Welcome back to Zion. How was your mission? What does the Church have you
doing now?
Loved the mission. Hardest thing I've ever done, but I loved the
experience. I love New York. I miss the missionaries something awful!!!
George Cobabe wrote:
>
> Boy o Boy, that is certainly a response designed to continue discussion.
> It
> is interesting that the best you can offer is a complete denial that
> Stacy
> had anything useful to say and without and justification on your part.
> Not
> even a disclaimer that you ui
I'm currently reading this note you sent. ;-)
I'm also involved in "how to write science fiction and fantasy" by our
own Orson Scott Card; and "The Book of J" edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary
Cousin Bill wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people
> enjoy discussing
From: Cousin Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ZION <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ZION] A reading list
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:01:36 +0900
So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Read Ann Coulter _Treason_ and _Slander_... Read _Shut Up and Sing!_ by
Well, one way to interpret D&C 87 as the slaves that rise up against
their masters who are disciplined in war, to mean the fall of Socialism;
with the remnant of the slaves rising up against the Gentile nations
being the Muslim terrorism attacks. When that occurs, the D&C says there
will begin
The definition given of a Son of Perdition is a person who has received a high level
of understanding of the gospel, then not only fully denies it, but seeks to commit
evil. Cain is the perfect example. He held the priesthood, spoke with God, then turned
completely against God.
It isn't a mat
Tom,
Welcome back to Zion. How was your mission? What does the Church have you doing now?
K'aya K'ama
Gerald Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/
Freedom Forever
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At 07:36 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
John W. Redelfs wrote:
---
Would that all the single men in the Church were as devoted to keeping
the commandment to marry as seriously as you did and do.
---
Many of us take it seriously too. As a single man I am working on
addressing this concern as quickly as
I would rephrase the "only true church" to the "only church with a fulness of the
gospel." At least, that's what the definition seems to me. After all, any church with
some truth could be defined as a "true church." Where other churches have truths, we
seek to share in those truths with them.
At 05:52 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
Ron Scott wrote:
> I'm pretty sure there are some Korihors and wolves in sheep's
> clothing. Ezra Taft Benson said so. --JWR
He did? When? Was he eyeballing his son?
Maybe he was eyeballing his grandson, Steve. --JWR
Rotfl
--
Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTE
Thanks Sandy.
Friends:
For a number of pressing reasons, I am retreating (for the time being) to to
lurkdom, "read at the website only-- no email." If you wish my response on
a particular subject, please cc me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Be well and be careful.
Ron Scott
At 04:58 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love
>
>
> At 03:37 PM 11/6/2003, Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
> >Presid
I suspect we shall soon be kicked off for daring to discuss this, but what
the hey.
Where in 131 does it say this? I read Celestial Glory, not the Celestial
Kingdom.
However in 132:23-24 it talks about receiving and living with God and that
this living with God is what exaltation is defined as.
Try--
http://www.topica.com/lists/zion/read
Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
> Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts
> on
> line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.
--
The Rabinowitz Family, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spring Hill, Tennessee
///
Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts on
line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.
Ron Scott
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George Cobabe wrote:
>
> There are those on this list that in the past have argued that Eternal
> Marriage is NOT essential for exaltation. Exaltation is living in the
> presence of God the Father and receiving His blessings. Yet it is
> suggested
> that to live in the Celestial Kingdom it is n
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:36:29 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> John W. Redelfs wrote:
> ---
> Would that all the single men in the Church were as devoted to
> keeping the commandment to marry as seriously as you did and do.
> ---
>
> Many of us take it seriously too. As a singl
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens. A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective. Chapter Eight on
"Dialogic Revelati
That's fine, Till. However I do not think you know the question in mind.
You see, I find Sec 132 more that supportative and I believe it to be true
as well. It is the scriptures, including 132, that I find supportive.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTE
I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people
enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such
discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have
had mixed results. At times I h
At 07:31 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote:
Oh no. Is this a confession?
>
> Cornell!
>
> Till
Tom the concerned. ;->
When my 5th son was an undergraduate here, he used to complain all the time
about some of his left-wing, commie professors, with their touchy-feely
pseudo-intellectual clap-
At 07:52 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote:
Ah, but I miss the lush hills of Ithaca!!! And the great people too.
Did you say we're lushes here? The Hill's moved to Provo years ago,
although he WAS back for a visit this summer. It IS pretty country here,
though.
Till
/
Ah, but I miss the lush hills of Ithaca!!! And the great people too.
From: "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ZION] An Illustrious Group
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:13:50 -0500
At 05:31 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
Tom Valletta
Thanks. Excited to be listening in.
From: Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] An Illustrious Group
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:59:10 +
John W. Redelfs wrote:
>
> Tom Valletta has just joined us.
>
Welcome, Tom!
//
Oh no. Is this a confession?
>
> Cornell!
>
> Till
Tom the concerned. ;->
>
>
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>
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At 02:36 AM 11/7/2003 +, Gib Mij wrote:
Many of us take it seriously too. As a single man I am working on
addressing this concern as quickly as sanity and comfort can afford. I
have discovered that it is not an easy thing for an older man.
My friend, just care about all those around you, l
At 03:44 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
George Cobabe wrote:
As you know, John, when you ask the question I can testify that this is
true. However there is more to the answer than what has been presented.
I would be delighted to discuss this topic with courtesy and good will, if
that would be poss
At 05:31 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
Tom Valletta has just joined us.
Yofi, Welcome home Br'er Tom.
Till
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Hello all...
I read a bit on cnn.com this morning about the upcoming lunar eclipse this weekend and
how the moon is supposed to turn blood red. To quote the article: "Saturday's lunar
eclipse will be followed by the Leonid meteor shower, a total solar eclipse over the
southern hemisphere -- a
At 03:32 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
And if you go looking for commies and pinkos you still might be able to
find some of them if you look in the right places:
China
North Korea
Cuba
Vietnam
Harvard
Yale
???
Cornell!
Till
/
At 11:28 AM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
Eternal Marriage Is Essential for Exaltation
Many people in the world consider marriage to be only a social custom, a
legal agreement between a man and a woman to live together. But to
Latter-day Saints, marriage is much more. Our exaltation depends on
ma
Boy o Boy, that is certainly a response designed to continue discussion. It
is interesting that the best you can offer is a complete denial that Stacy
had anything useful to say and without and justification on your part. Not
even a disclaimer that you uinderstand it differently, but jsut a dismi
As you know my views are based on scriptures, not quotes from authorities.
There are significant disagreements between the two, as you are aware. When
you raise the question expect responses. It would seem that you are asking
the questions, I am not raising the issues. You seem to be seeking
disa
Thank you for your kindness in skipping the lesson. The world will be
better because of the silence on this matter.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Steven Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - w
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, No
> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> >She lives in Newton? Where do the attend church? Weston or
> Cambridge? Is
> >her husb
Ron Scott wrote:
She lives in Newton? Where do the attend church? Weston or Cambridge? Is
her husband at Tufts or BC (didn't know BC had a dental school).
I don't know, Ron. I get the schools back there are mixed up. I just
fired off an email to my daughter asking her. I'm embarrassed that I
> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Far Right In the Church
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> >Interesting and revealing response. Freud would have a field day
> with you.
> >
She lives in Newton? Where do the attend church? Weston or Cambridge? Is
her husband at Tufts or BC (didn't know BC had a dental school).
Ron
> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subjec
You are up awfully early in the morning for a Bostonian, aren't you,
Ron? It's only a quarter past midnight here in the wilds of Alaska. My
oldest girl, Sara, lives there in Boston, Newton actually. Her husband is
attending dental school there.
BTW, over the years I've been discussing politi
> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love
> Unconditional?)
>
>
> I don't believe the sons of perdition will be few in numb
Ron Scott wrote:
Interesting and revealing response. Freud would have a field day with you.
Like so many of the "far right" we "have remained," of couple GBH and BKP,
as if the latter makes the former tolerable for now, ignorinng, advertantly
or inadvertantly, the fact that President Monson is nex
Still occurs if you happen to live along the Wasatch Front. Not as often as
it used to...
> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson and Unconditional Love
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ZION] Far Right In the Church
>
>
> Tom Matkin wrote:
> > > Strawman. There are no such "far right" members still in the Church
> > that
> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> >That's fine. The politics can come later--as you gain more light and
> >knowledge . Whi
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