Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 releases?

2007-10-11 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, (sorry for not responding earlier, I've been on vacation last week and it took me a while to advance through my mail to this thread.) Am Samstag, den 06.10.2007, 11:17 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: Recent discussions make it obvious to me that we need to come to terms with Zope 3 releases.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.dottedname doesn't have a CHANGES.txt (again?)

2007-10-09 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Am Mittwoch, den 03.10.2007, 13:43 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: I'm skeptical that such a tool can do that much. Certainly, when we broke the trunk up, we didn't know what all the issues would be. We couldn't automate a process we didn't yet fully understand. My only real regret is

Re: [Zope3-dev] StabilizeEggPackages wiki page

2007-10-09 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 04.10.2007, 12:47 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: Hi Theune, I updated instructions here: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/StabilizeEggPackages . Can you please review it ? Thanks for following the discussions and changing that page, I read the diff and think it's ok

Re: [Zope3-dev] zc.testbrowser alpha 1 released

2007-09-28 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 28.09.2007, 10:06 -0400 schrieb Benji York: zc.testbrowser 1.0a1 I am very pleased to announce the first alpha release of zc.testbrowser: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.testbrowser zc.testbrowser is a refactoring of zope.testbrowser to remove the

[Zope3-dev] ChoiceField and the use of sources/vocabularies

2007-09-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Zagy and I are trying to make z3c.form compatible with sources. We had to investigate zope.schema for that and found the mess of vocabularies and sources that is still around. Here are some facts we found: - The Choice field has an attribute `vocabulary` which it says to be an

[Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
We have another case of faulty released eggs. I reviewed the first that popped up for me, which was zope.app.publication: - someone uploaded a stable 3.4.1 egg, but this is just a snapshot from the trunk, there is no tag for this release. - the egg does not contain data files correctly.

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
to do (Roger, maybe you can do that?): - Remove the broken files. - Create tags for the wrong trunk releases - Create a new release and tag in tar format. I'll show what I mean by releasing a fix for zope.app.i18n. Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:16 + schrieb Christian Theune: We have another

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:49 + schrieb Christian Theune: Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 14:39 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: We decided not to bump minor release in trunk recently while making these final release, is it ? I tried looking for that but didn't find that decision, so I thought we're doing maintenance branches. -- gocept gmbh co. kg -

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in the egg info files. -- gocept gmbh co. kg -

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 09:16 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:49, Christian Theune wrote: The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating

[Zope3-dev] Better default validation error messages

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Zagy asked about this a while ago: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2007-August/thread.html Our feeling is that better default error messages would be welcome and the breakage that this might cause would be acceptable. I'd be happy to implement this tomorrow, a bit more explicit

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposal, free views

2007-09-24 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2007, 23:52 +0200 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: I understand the motivation. But I don't agree with the solution. I've you're not ok with the existing views, then you currently have two options * Simply *ignore* that they exist. Zope actually has facilities

[Zope3-dev] z3c.formdemo tests broken

2007-09-24 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, the tests of z3c.formdemo on the trunk are broken. Is this intended? Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstrasse 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: skin support for xmlrpc

2007-09-14 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 02:49 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 9/14/07, Christian Zagrodnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I'll revert the layer-support will be there in a third party package, probably using ++api++. Better to be specific than general when it's for a specific type of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Checkins] SVN: zope.schema/trunk/ More work on bug 98287: Introduced an event to signal that an object value is

2007-09-13 Thread Christian Theune
Am Sonntag, den 08.07.2007, 11:31 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: On Sunday 08 July 2007 10:02, Christian Theune wrote: Log message for revision 77624: More work on bug 98287: Introduced an event to signal that an object value is going to be assigned. Ahh, this is crazy! Why would

[Zope3-dev] Fundraising for ZEORaid 1.0, see zodb-dev

2007-09-10 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, (sorry for the cross-post, please do not reply on this list, please use zodb-dev or mail me in private for discussions, I won't post for this issue on these lists again) gocept received interest in finishing the ZEORaid project and we're trying to do a fund-raising round. If you're

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: What does python 3000 mean for zope?

2007-09-01 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 31.08.2007, 23:35 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 8/31/07, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's is what I am most worried about. I really need to look into this to see how much things changed. Maybe not as much as we tend to think. I think the changes will be

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.sendmail having dependency on zope.app.comonent

2007-08-31 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 31.08.2007, 13:06 +0200 schrieb Wichert Akkerman: Is there documentation on sources anywhere? The last time I checked there was nothing that I could understand either in zope.* or on the wiki. It took me a while to understand them myself. Especially as there is some code

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.sendmail having dependency on zope.app.comonent

2007-08-31 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 31.08.2007, 14:04 +0200 schrieb Christophe Combelles: I was still using vocabularies, but it seems interesting, thanks for the explanation! So it basically looks like a vocabulary, with the token and title parts being seperated and optional. Right, and with defaults (I tried

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.4 Release Date?

2007-08-29 Thread Christian Theune
Am Dienstag, den 28.08.2007, 23:21 -0400 schrieb Tom Hoffman: Are there any firm plans for getting Zope 3.4 final out into the world? The next release of SchoolTool, which we intended to have included in Ubuntu Gutsy, is dependent on Zope 3.4, which seemed like a reasonable idea when Zope 3.4

3.4 egg stabilization TODO List (was: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.4 Release Date?)

2007-08-29 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 29.08.2007, 13:04 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: Is that TODO list available online somewhere? It's now: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/StabilizeEggPackages I think I can spend sometime for this in this week. I am starting with zope.annotation , for zope.annotation the next release is

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [StabilizeEggPackages] (edit) Is that all that has to be done in setup.py?

2007-08-29 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 29.08.2007, 09:58 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 8/29/07, srichter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ++added: - Ensure that the setup.py has a decent set of meta-data, in particular: * The long_description contains all doctests. I know Jim's advocated this, at least for all

Re: [Zope3-dev] skin support for xmlrpc

2007-08-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 24.08.2007, 07:55 +0200 schrieb Jodok Batlogg: hi christian, it seems like your recent changes to support skins in xmlrpc views introduced some troubles. we spent several hours to debug not working xmlrpc views and finally found that nailing the zope.traversing egg

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Guide for maintaining software in the Zope repository

2007-08-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Samstag, den 25.08.2007, 17:57 -0400 schrieb Zvezdan Petkovic: Obviously, a visual perception differs from person to person. If a person has a difficulty reading getMainType(), they should not be forced to write get_main_type() in their Zope code for the sake of consistency which is in

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Guide for maintaining software in the Zope repository

2007-08-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Sonntag, den 26.08.2007, 21:52 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Am Samstag, den 25.08.2007, 17:57 -0400 schrieb Zvezdan Petkovic: Obviously, a visual perception differs from person to person. If a person has a difficulty reading getMainType(), they should not be forced to write

Re: [Zope3-dev] __repr__ of ValidationErrors in zope.schema

2007-08-24 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 24.08.2007, 09:05 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: On Friday 24 August 2007 04:00, Christian Zagrodnick wrote: What should we do about this? Well, I personally think for a programming API the error message is okay. The __repr__ could be better though, I agree. For forms

Re: [Zope3-dev] Dependency cleanup: zope.traversing

2007-08-22 Thread Christian Theune
the dependencies of zope.app.testing to include zope.app.publication to a required minimum version or I can change this to use a different lookup mechanism. Christian Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:01 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, zope.traversing has a dependency

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Backward compatibility and major releases (series) update

2007-08-22 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 22.08.2007, 16:15 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver: I eventually came to the conclusion that our original conclusion was sound, but that we should only introduce backward incompatibilities when the need is very dire, as it will cause lots of pain. +1 from me as well. +1.

Re: [Zope3-dev] how-to stop permission propagation to sublocations

2007-08-22 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 22.08.2007, 21:00 +0200 schrieb Adam Groszer: Hello, Is there a sane way to stop permission propagation to sublocations? Let's say I have a site, and somewhere below there is a folder as a trashcan, unneeded objects get moved to here. Users must not modify objects in the

Re: [Zope3-dev] zalchemy broken on the cheeseshop

2007-08-22 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 22.08.2007, 19:54 +0200 schrieb Wichert Akkerman: At the moment zalchemy is making buildout complain about connection errors. The problem is that on http://cheeseshop.python.org/simple/z3c.zalchemy there is a link to https://svn.zope.org.repos/main which does not exist: there

Re: [Zope3-dev] Add function for schema validation in zope.schema

2007-08-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Montag, den 20.08.2007, 08:59 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 8/20/07, Christian Zagrodnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should add a function to validate a given schema on a given class. This should include constraints and invariants: I do presume you mean object, rather than

[Zope3-dev] Re: Add function for schema validation in zope.schema

2007-08-20 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 20.08.2007, 16:05 +0200 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: This is exactly what I would suggest: The function should return a list of validation errors. Similar semantics are used in zope.formlib's validate() method. I agree with Wichert's objection about being a bit

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Heads up: major change in zc.buildout policy for selecting distributions

2007-08-20 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 20.08.2007, 14:27 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: No, I'm wrong, I'm going to back these changes out with a b30 release and then release them with a 2x release. Will the 2x release be picked up automatically because the stable policy isn't in 1x and it tries to update itself? Oh

Re: [Zope3-dev] z3c.zalchemy tag missing?

2007-08-16 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 16.08.2007, 13:37 +0200 schrieb Wichert Akkerman: The cheeseshop lists a 0.2 version of z3c.zalchemy but in subversion I only see tags for 0.1 and 0.1.1. svn trunk lists 0.2 as unreleased in CHANGES.txt. What is the status of z3c.zalchemy 0.2? Is it really released, or

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-16 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 16.08.2007, 17:36 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: Was this problem related to Python 2.5 update ? It was not, it was just a suspicion of me and it was wrong. ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] Dependency cleanup: zope.traversing

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, zope.traversing has a dependency to zope.app.applicationcontroller. This is because zope.traversing implements the etc namespace and has a hard coded reference to applicationcontrol there. In the same place it also looks up site managers (in a hard coded way). As a strategy to remove this

[Zope3-dev] Removed zope.security 3.4b4

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people that they had severe problems managing around this. I removed the 3.4b4 distribution from download.zope.org to allow them to continue using zopeproject and grokproject until we find a fix. I wasn't sure about

zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: [Zope3-dev] Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people that they had severe problems managing around this. I removed the 3.4b4 distribution from download.zope.org to allow them to continue using

Re: [Zope3-dev] Removed zope.security 3.4b4

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people that they had severe problems managing around this. I removed the 3.4b4 distribution from download.zope.org to allow them to continue

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 17:52 +0200 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 17:59 +0200 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Where is this b5? I am still getting b4, not b5. I can't find b5 on the server. I've put it there now. The actual distribution was missing. I've created the b5 tag and uploaded the sdist package.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 12:02 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: On Aug 15, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm not sure that we should have to rely on removing packages like those. I'm fairly sure that removing them is *not* the right solution. For example, that might have

Re: AW: [Zope3-dev] Retire zope.app.boston

2007-08-13 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 13.08.2007, 12:14 +0200 schrieb Bernd Dorn: On 12.08.2007, at 22:55, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Christian Betreff: [Zope3-dev] Retire zope.app.boston Please. It's badly tested and I assume widely unused. I tried to fix a bug that was reported for it and it's just a

[Zope3-dev] Retire zope.app.boston

2007-08-12 Thread Christian Theune
Please. It's badly tested and I assume widely unused. I tried to fix a bug that was reported for it and it's just a mess. Christian ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] Comment on bug 98380

2007-08-12 Thread Christian Theune
Can someone comment on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/98380 ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Zope3-dev] Bugfix day for rc1

2007-08-09 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'd like to propose spending some time together bashing some bugs before doing the release candidate for Zope 3.4. My calendar is pretty stuffed, but I'd be happy to spend the larger part of an afternoon next week. Christian ___ Zope3-dev mailing

[Zope3-dev] Official Zope packages

2007-07-25 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, if I remember correctly we don't have a conclusion on what official Zope packages are. I have a specific motivation and a (hopefully) specific question: I am happy to take a part of a broader maintenance/development effort from the Zope Project into my hands and contribute on a larger scale

Re: [Zope3-dev] Official Zope packages

2007-07-25 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 25.07.2007, 10:05 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: I think this discussion might be better held on the foundation list. FYI: I moved the discussion to the foundation list. ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Heads Up: Satellite projects' trunks and Python 2.5

2007-07-22 Thread Christian Theune
Am Samstag, den 21.07.2007, 21:58 +0530 schrieb Nikhil N: Hi, Majority of the satellite projects are working in Python2.5 as given by the status in the wiki : http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ModuleImplementationStatus So please ensure that your changes will also work in Python2.5. I also

[Zope3-dev] Satellites and Launchpad

2007-07-12 Thread Christian Theune
When starting to implement the ReusableAction feature, I noticed that we're not using launchpad correctly now. I'm not sure what else we do wrong, so I started a proposal on what we need to do to start using launchpad right again. See http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SatellitesAndLaunchpad Christian

Re: [Zope3-dev] Proposal: Make zope.configuration actions better re-usable

2007-07-12 Thread Christian Theune
As this didn't spur any resistance, I'll be implementing this now. I'll make a b1 release of zope.configuration and move the trunk of zope.configuration to 3.5 after that, my changes will go to a working-branch first. Christian Am Dienstag, den 10.07.2007, 16:06 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.app.session/zope.minmax

2007-07-11 Thread Christian Theune
Am Dienstag, den 10.07.2007, 17:37 +0300 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: Christian Theune wrote: Am Dienstag, den 03.07.2007, 10:31 +0300 schrieb Gary Poster: Christian et al: What do you want in regards to the zope.app.session changes that rely on the new package zope.minmax

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Checkins] SVN: zope.schema/trunk/ More work on bug 98287: Introduced an event to signal that an object value is

2007-07-08 Thread Christian Theune
Am Sonntag, den 08.07.2007, 11:31 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: On Sunday 08 July 2007 10:02, Christian Theune wrote: Log message for revision 77624: More work on bug 98287: Introduced an event to signal that an object value is going to be assigned. Ahh, this is crazy! Why would

Re: [Zope3-dev] zope.app.session/zope.minmax

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Am Dienstag, den 03.07.2007, 10:31 +0300 schrieb Gary Poster: Christian et al: What do you want in regards to the zope.app.session changes that rely on the new package zope.minmax? Very briefly, the change allows the simple zope.app.session approach to cause fewer unnecessary write

[Zope3-dev] Failing test in buddydemo

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I see a failing test in the buddydemo both on the buildbot and on my checkout of the trunk: http://buildbot.zope.org/Zope3%20trunk%202.4%20Linux% 20zc-buildbot/builds/1045/test_2/0 It appears not to happen with the egg release. Christian ___

Re: [Zope3-dev] zope.app.session/zope.minmax

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2007, 09:43 +0300 schrieb Gary Poster: However, did the tree just grow a dependency on zope.minmax as well? Yes and no. I made a zope.app.session 3.4 branch with no dependencies on zope.minmax. That is what the tree currently uses. The tree also

Re: [Zope3-dev] Failing test in buddydemo

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2007, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I see a failing test in the buddydemo both on the buildbot and on my checkout of the trunk: http://buildbot.zope.org/Zope3%20trunk%202.4%20Linux% 20zc-buildbot/builds/1045/test_2/0 It appears not to happen

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Don't need $Id$ string any more

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
+1 ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Zope3-dev] Re: Trunk open for feature development towards Zope 3.5

2007-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2007, 16:32 +0200 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: Christian Theune wrote: I've made the release branch for Zope 3.4, you can feel free to start introducing changes for Zope 3.5 into the trunk of the tree. It should be noted that the 'Zope3' tree actually

Re: RFC: versioning proposal Re: [Zope3-dev] Specifying upper limits in dependencies

2007-07-03 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 03.07.2007, 06:19 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: we have some packages around that have x.x.x.dev x.x.x-dev and i think they are considered newer than x.x.xa1 a .dev release is older than a .a1 release (or a1). The '-' makes a post-release tag, so x.x.x-dev is later

Re: [Zope3-dev] package branches

2007-06-27 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 27.06.2007, 11:36 -0400 schrieb Gary Poster: My current opinion is that version numbers are the best solution of a bad lot. My current opinion is that we don't have a final story on how all the pieces we have now: multiple eggs with seperate lives, buildout, setuptools,

Re: [Zope3-dev] package branches

2007-06-23 Thread Christian Theune
Am Samstag, den 23.06.2007, 07:04 -0400 schrieb Gary Poster: Hey Christian. I intend to check in some code that fixes zope.app.keyreference conflict error issues I wrote about last week. This will take advantage of some code that I checked in to the ZODB, that I don't intend to be part

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Releasing optionstorage

2007-06-20 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 20.06.2007, 12:17 +0200 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: Brian Sutherland wrote: SchoolTool finds itself depending on optionstorage, which is a very zope specific egg. It has never been released, despite being in subversion for a long time. Firstly, I'd like to make

Re: AW: [Zope3-dev] deprecate ++etc++site/default?

2007-06-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 19.06.2007, 18:18 +0200 schrieb Roger Ineichen: Hi Christian Betreff: [Zope3-dev] deprecate ++etc++site/default? Hi there, as far as I am informed it's no longer suggested to put utilities etc. into the default package since the whole package mechanism

Re: [Zope3-dev] [OT] mailman problem

2007-06-08 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 08.06.2007, 19:03 +0200 schrieb Dieter Maurer: Maybe a newer mailman version has the bug fixed? Might be. We're currently trying to get rid of the mailman hosting for zope.org. We're in a waiting state as launchpad announced they would to mailman hosting in a few months

Re: [Zope3-dev] Merge experimental-zwiki branch to trunk

2007-06-07 Thread Christian Theune
Hi Am Donnerstag, den 07.06.2007, 16:53 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: Hi, I would like merge `baijum-experimental-zwiki` to zwiki trunk. http://svn.zope.org/zwiki/branches/baijum-experimental-zwiki/ The major changes are: 1) Added buildout support 2) Moved code to `src` folder 3) Use a

Re: [Zope3-dev] files missing from trunk

2007-06-04 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 03.06.2007, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Martijn Pieters: On 6/3/07, Michael Haubenwallner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fresh checkouts from trunk are broken: today zodbcode and RestrictedPython were moved to 'satellite's. They are still missing / not available through

Re: [Zope3-dev] A thought on backward compatibility and minimum versions

2007-05-31 Thread Christian Theune
Ah, Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 10:12 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: In thinking about how we might specify that we want to depend on major versions but sometimes need to specify minimum versions, the following occurred to me: [...] Ah, I think it's a good idea. And it would still allow

Re: [Zope3-dev] A thought on backward compatibility and minimum versions

2007-05-31 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 11:12 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: On May 31, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 10:56 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: Would a requirement of foobar 2.1* mean every stable release of foobar 2.1 and all micro versions

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: A thought on backward compatibility and minimum versions

2007-05-31 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 11:14 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: What do you mean by a dev release? Any release tagged as alpha, beta, rc, pre, or with an SVN revision. I agree with Tres' goal. I think setuptools refers to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: A thought on backward compatibility and minimum versions

2007-05-31 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 11:28 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: On May 31, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2007, 11:14 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: What do you mean by a dev release

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: egg version numbers and zope releases

2007-05-30 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2007, 15:12 -0400 schrieb Benji York: Jim Fulton wrote: It's actually worse than that. 2.0 would admit 2.0a1. :) You'd probably need something like 1.99. I can deal with spelling dependencies on major version X as = X.999. Even if developers remembered,

Re: How to deal with major versions? (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: egg version numbers and zope releases)

2007-05-30 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2007, 15:30 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: Not as icky (IMHO) as having distribution names with embedded major version numbers. I'm interested in other people's opinions here. I don't like version numbers encoded in package names. I consider this to be a

Re: How to deal with major versions? (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: egg version numbers and zope releases)

2007-05-30 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2007, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: =app-misc/foo-1.23 Version 1.23 or later is required. app-misc/foo-1.23 A version strictly later than 1.23 is required. ~app-misc/foo-1.23 Version 1.23 (or any 1.23-r*) is required. =app-misc/foo-1.23 Exactly version

Re: How to deal with major versions? (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: egg version numbers and zope releases)

2007-05-30 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2007, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: How would you say that you want version 1.23 or higher but less than any version 2? I re-read their spec and they say: =sys-apps/foo-1.2* will select the newest member of the 1.2 series, but will ignore 1.3 and later/earlier

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] z3c.form 1.0.0 released!

2007-05-30 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2007, 18:12 +0200 schrieb Maciej Wisniowski: Thanks. BTW, I am still looking for 1-2 demos to write but I am out of ideas. Do have anything related to forms that you would like to see demoed? It would be very interesting to see RDBMS interaction. Formlib for

Re: [Zope3-dev] System python for *development*? (Was: 3.3.0 tag broken by zc.catalog eggs?)

2007-05-22 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 22.05.2007, 20:56 +0300 schrieb Marius Gedminas: Is there any documentation about how to extract the Python level stack trace when you've attached to a Python program at C level with gdb? (One of my fantasies (i.e. projects I'll never find the time to work on) is adding

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope 3 wiki cleanup

2007-05-21 Thread Christian Theune
Yay! Am Mittwoch, den 16.05.2007, 20:32 -0700 schrieb Simon Michael: FYI - I installed a cleaned-up http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FrontPage (the old one is at http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FrontPage1). I think it's a step forward, hope you agree. I also cleaned up

[Zope3-dev] buildout of some zope.* packages causes infinite loop in buildout

2007-05-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, the buildout of zope.app.apidoc and some other packages is currently broken. A potential candidate causing this is zope.event. As soon as buildout says picked zope.event== the python process goes to 100% CPU and stays there until I kill it. strace doesn't tell anything, but I don't have

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildout of some zope.* packages causes infinite loop in buildout

2007-05-14 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 14.05.2007, 10:07 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, the buildout of zope.app.apidoc and some other packages is currently broken. A potential candidate causing this is zope.event. As soon as buildout says picked zope.event== the python process goes to 100% CPU

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildout of some zope.* packages causes infinite loop in buildout

2007-05-14 Thread Christian Theune
Ah. There was another subtle difference in the environment that I initially overlooked. buildout was installed site-wide. For the records: I've re-checked and filed a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/114614 Am Montag, den 14.05.2007, 14:28 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: I

[Zope3-dev] Status update on b1

2007-05-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, b1 didn't land over the weekend as you noticed. We're running late again, but we're moving. Almost all of the packages in the zope namespace have been moved out of the Zope3 tree by now. There are four remaining: zope.app.winservice zope.app.workflow zope.app.zopetop zope.app.pythonpage A

[Zope3-dev] buildbot for all buildout projects

2007-05-08 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, while moving on to Zope 3.4 beta, I had the need to assure that all the zope.* packages are actually working. I investigated a couple of options and finally decided for buildout. The result is visible here: http://uter.gocept.com:/ I gave buildbot a new Web UI that allows easier

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot for all buildout projects

2007-05-08 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 08.05.2007, 09:27 -0400 schrieb Gary Poster: This is awesome, Christian. Thanks! Is there a way to see the buildbot output? Will there be a way? Kind of and yes. :) I'm trying to fit this in my schedule as good as possible. You'll see more nice things pop up soon.

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot for all buildout projects

2007-05-08 Thread Christian Theune
Am Dienstag, den 08.05.2007, 10:02 -0400 schrieb Benji York: Christian Theune wrote: buildout alread did not report an error correctly at some point, but the next step currently breaks then, so it's only a minor glitch. That sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/113085. Yup. Thanks

Re: [Zope3-dev] tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-04 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 04.05.2007, 06:51 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: On May 4, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Baiju M wrote: ... We will be using same Zope 3 resources for bug tracking, mailing list and wiki for these satellite project's, is it ? Thanks a very good question. I don't think we need more mailing

Re: [Zope3-dev] tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-04 Thread Christian Theune
Right. Am Freitag, den 04.05.2007, 07:55 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: I think what's happened is something very simple, inevitable, and reasonable: We've stopped working on Zope 3 and moved to working on our applications. This changes how we think about the place of Zope 3 in our work more

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-04 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 04.05.2007, 12:16 -0400 schrieb Benji York: Christian Theune wrote: Same here. I'm feeling like I'm not yet understanding what the trunk will be used like. I'm wondering if we need to maintain a Zope 3 project with any code in it at all (or nearly so). Could Zope 3 just

[Zope3-dev] Experimental alternative/supplement for buildbot

2007-05-04 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I've been trying to find a solution to run the individual tests of all top-level projects in the repository. I've set up a cruise control server in our office that monitors the SVN and automatically picks up any top-level project that defines a buildout.cfg in its trunk. You can watch it

Re: [Zope3-dev] Experimental alternative/supplement for buildbot

2007-05-04 Thread Christian Theune
figuring out whether buildbot can fit into this picture a little bit better. Christian Am Freitag, den 04.05.2007, 19:16 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I've been trying to find a solution to run the individual tests of all top-level projects in the repository. I've set up a cruise control

Re: [Zope3-dev] zc.buildout and develop-eggs

2007-05-03 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Am Mittwoch, den 02.05.2007, 09:36 -0400 schrieb Jim Fulton: On May 2, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: Am 02.05.2007 um 15:12 schrieb Jim Fulton: Assuming that you have a checkout of the trunk zc.form, then you are mistaken. The version number in the setup.py file:

[Zope3-dev] [URGENT] Organising the satellite projects, eggs and version numbers before beta today

2007-05-03 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, I'm in front of the same wall that Fred was going up. ;) I talked to Zagy about the problems we're facing with the current egg releases of projects that live in Zope3/src/zope/ and Zope3/src/zope/app/ and wrote this up a bit: Problems When working with eggs, we need to carefully

Re: [Zope3-dev] [URGENT] Organising the satellite projects, eggs and version numbers before beta today

2007-05-03 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 08:59 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 5/3/07, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a small side note: I still don't know how we recommend using the eggs in a way that says I want the egg-version of Zope 3.4.0 and the users gets those eggs (and only

Re: [Zope3-dev] [URGENT] Organising the satellite projects, eggs and version numbers before beta today

2007-05-03 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 08:55 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: On 5/3/07, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in front of the same wall that Fred was going up. ;) And I ran up against a related issue again on Tuesday, which I've not had the time to write up. - Move the code

[Zope3-dev] Re: tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-03 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 18:23 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver: Typically whenever somebody who knows both decides that the satellite has changes which need pulling into Z3; at the latest, they get updated when doing a Z3 release, I would guess. This is like what happens now with ZODB,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope egg dependencies and tests

2007-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, Am Donnerstag, den 26.04.2007, 08:14 +0200 schrieb Christian Zagrodnick: Hi there, now there those wonderful eggs for Zope 3. Apart from the permission problem we ran into lately there is another one with those eggs: The dependencies aren't set right. Apparently nobody every ran

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope egg dependencies and tests

2007-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 26.04.2007, 11:11 +0200 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: Maybe, but: 3.3 3.3.1 3.4dev etc. That's right. I missed that one. :/ -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889

[Zope3-dev] Feature freeze coming up for Zope 3.4

2007-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hey everybody, our schedule plans the beta 1 for Zope 3.4 on 3rd of May. That's next week and it includes a feature freeze for Zope 3.4. So ladies and gentlemen: get your features wrapped up and merged. :) Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany

Re: [Zope3-dev] Separating projects

2007-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Yay! Is this agreed strategy once on is on the wall? :) Christian Am Donnerstag, den 26.04.2007, 14:00 -0400 schrieb Fred Drake: The giant Zope 3 checkout / shadow project dichotomy is driving me up the wall. For code that (really) lives in the Zope 3 checkout, it's difficult to deal with

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