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From: Ido Kanner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:08 PM
To: lazarus@miraclec.com; Michael Van Canneyt
Cc: lazarus@miraclec.com
Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request for PR noise !
Quoting Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED
Amazing POV :-)
I'm a complete atheist and still share much of you POV because Brazil
is largely (and my family is) Catholic (so I have some idea of what
these people IMHO-stupid people think. Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
And I almost ROFL
Flávio Etrusco wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
Because believing in one and only one CREATOR is intelligent + philosophical
+ logical. see http://www.islam-guide.com for more information.
On 5/19/06, m2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
With a smart/cosmetic name change the same goes probably like this:
9 years ago, FPC changed it's name after being 1 1/2 known to the
internet and it was a lot of work and caused a lot of confusion.
Client What language do you use to implement our system.
Devlpr OpenRAD. It allows me to
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
With a smart/cosmetic name change the same goes probably like this:
9 years ago, FPC changed it's name after being 1 1/2 known to the
internet and it was a lot of work and caused a lot of confusion.
FPC is straight forward, like gcc. No need to change it.
Client
Al Boldi wrote:
Flávio Etrusco wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
Because believing in one and only one CREATOR is intelligent + philosophical
+ logical. see http://www.islam-guide.com for more information.
On 5/19/06,
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
With a smart/cosmetic name change the same goes probably like this:
9 years ago, FPC changed it's name after being 1 1/2 known to the
internet and it was a lot of work and caused a lot of confusion.
FPC is straight forward, like gcc. No need to change it.
I fear you
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 14:37 +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
Feel free to create OpenRAD based on FPC, gcc and lazarus ;)
Lazarus isn't a language, it's a RAD. And a good one too!
But it would be sad to see this effort being expended towards one language
only.
Lazarus is too good, not to be
Al Boldi a écrit :
Flávio Etrusco wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
Because believing in one and only one CREATOR is intelligent + philosophical
+ logical.
This is overall very restful. The idea of god allows to explain
everything
On 5/20/06, Joost van der Sluis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That programmers in other languages don't succeed in writing their own
RAD, doesn't mean that we have to provide them with one, imho.
But if someone else want to do that... be my guest. I'm not gonna do it.
But then, people who like
I'm a complete atheist and still share much of you POV because Brazil
is largely (and my family is) Catholic (so I have some idea of what
these people IMHO-stupid people think. Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
Belief is a wise wager.
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 14:37 +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
Feel free to create OpenRAD based on FPC, gcc and lazarus ;)
Lazarus isn't a language, it's a RAD. And a good one too!
But it would be sad to see this effort being expended towards one language
only.
Lazarus is too good, not
L505 a écrit :
I'm a complete atheist and still share much of you POV because Brazil
is largely (and my family is) Catholic (so I have some idea of what
these people IMHO-stupid people think. Unfortunately, I don't know
why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist atheist...)
Belief is a wise
m2 wrote:
Certainly not. Not seeing something where there is nothing and where
it is not necessary that there is something is not a belief, it is
a knowledge. I don't not to believe that there is a Rammstein CD in
orbit around Pluto, I do know there is none (but don't ask me to prove
it, I
On 5/20/06, Joost van der Sluis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That programmers in other languages don't succeed in writing their own
RAD, doesn't mean that we have to provide them with one, imho.
But if someone else want to do that... be my guest. I'm not gonna do it.
But then, people
Being atheist means you beleive that he does not exist.
Certainly not. Not seeing something where there is nothing and where
it is not necessary that there is something is not a belief, it is
a knowledge. I don't not to believe that there is a Rammstein CD in
orbit around Pluto, I do know
On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:31:02 -0600
L505 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Being atheist means you beleive that he does not exist.
Certainly not. Not seeing something where there is nothing and where
it is not necessary that there is something is not a belief, it is
a knowledge. I don't not to
On 5/20/06, Lord Satan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So everybody wanting to talk about religion please stop spamming this mailing
list and talk somewhere else.
the irony of this request coming from lord satan himself is not to be missed ...
;)
Tony
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X-SA user ? 0.5.1 is out !
XData 0.1 for
Hello,
Belief is a wise wager. Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will
come to you
if you gamble on its truth and it proves false? If you gain, you gain
all; if you lose,
you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that He exists.
-- Blaise Pascal
There is another
Florian Klaempfl a écrit :
m2 wrote:
Certainly not. Not seeing something where there is nothing and where
it is not necessary that there is something is not a belief, it is
a knowledge. I don't not to believe that there is a Rammstein CD in
orbit around Pluto, I do know there is none (but don't
Thanks for enlightening us. But this whole discussion has really nothing to
do with
lazarus/fpc/programming in any sense.
I brought in a quote from Blaise Pascal for the basis of my posts. And you
should
familiarize yourself with Blaise Pascal as some of his quotes are very related
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Lv wrote:
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave
users like
me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical
papers as my
On st , 2006-05-17 at 08:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I one of the ones who think that a new name is MUST,
Lazarus seems fine for a project name, but I share
the idea that taking the project to corporate world,
will require a new name.
And what makes you think Lazarus aims for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Florian Klaempfl wrote:Lv
wrote: So if you guys want to
change the name, where does it leave users likeme presenting
papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technicalpapers as
my software of choice?
Nice to hear that not all users
believe
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave users like
me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical
papers as my software of choice?
I am asked a lot what software I use and I explicitly promote Lazarus/FPC.
This thread make me believe that I will segfault
Lv wrote:
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave users like
me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical
papers as my software of choice?
Nice to hear that not all users believe into the imo stupid idea to change the
name. I don't think either that
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Lv wrote:
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave users like me
presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical papers as my
software of choice?
I am asked a lot what software I use and I explicitly promote Lazarus/FPC.
This thread
On 17/05/06, Florian Klaempfl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lv wrote:
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave users like
me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical
papers as my software of choice?
Nice to hear that not all users believe into the imo
I agree. It is a stupid idea to change the name. There is nothing wrong
with the name Lazarus. All it needs is a couple more bug fixes and a lot
of PR work from it's users!
1000% agree!
Instead of waisting your energy and time following and writing to this
thread, spend your time
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Lv wrote:
So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave users like
me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical
papers as my software of choice?
Nice to hear that not all users believe into the imo stupid idea to change the
Nice to hear that not all users believe into the imo stupid idea to change
the name. I don't think either that the board of directors of lazarus
Hi.
I have start some message threads that finish in flame wars,
like foundation one, which wasn't my intention.
But I didn't start the message
For anybody who still insists to this name changing idea, I believe you're
still allowed to build a new project based on Lazarus source codes and
I DIDN'T START THE TOPIC,
but even that I think it's a good idea to change the name (in time),
I would like to wait to see Lazarus more mature,
and
Perhaps we better rename Pascal...
after all... what does Pascal mean?
It Means Passover. It's a Jewish (Christian - Easter) holiday.:-)
lazarus is as good a name as most.
And I thought it was named for lazarus long.
who is known to have written in his notebooks:
Always listen to experts.
Dale Welch a écrit :
Perhaps we better rename Pascal...
after all... what does Pascal mean?
It Means Passover. It's a Jewish (Christian - Easter) holiday.:-)
Pascal comes from the name of the French mathematician, physician
and philosopher, Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) who built a famous
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:24, m2 wrote:
Dale Welch a écrit :
Perhaps we better rename Pascal...
after all... what does Pascal mean?
It Means Passover. It's a Jewish (Christian - Easter) holiday.:-)
Pascal comes from the name of the French mathematician, physician
and
On Mon, 15 May 2006 09:24:00 +0200
Marc Santhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 14.05.2006, 23:15 +0200 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
The IDE is not only form designing.
Many people would like to use one IDE for all of their source - pascal
GUIs, php/html/js webpages, c++ tools/libs,
Am Dienstag, den 16.05.2006, 10:06 +0200 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
Can the behaviour of the editor get customized? I'd like to have the
cursor move more text orientation wise in sense of not extending to
the right further than the real line end.
Editor Optins - Scroll past end of line
Am Dienstag, den 16.05.2006, 18:18 +0200 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 12:16:09 +0200
Marc Santhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What stopped me from finding it myself is a not really clear translation
to german. It says now:
Scrollen bis ans Ende der Zeile
I suggest
Am Sonntag, den 14.05.2006, 23:15 +0200 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
The IDE is not only form designing.
Many people would like to use one IDE for all of their source - pascal GUIs,
php/html/js webpages, c++ tools/libs, perl/python/bash scripts ...
We have already syntax highlighers for all of
Michael Van Canneyt schreef:
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Marc Santhoff wrote:
For most things like shell scripts (don't hit me ;) I use JEdit. What I
really love is having the Pos1 key jumping to the start of the
indented text on the first hit. Could lazarus' editor be made that way?
If so, how
Le samedi 13 mai 2006 à 18:55 -0300, Flávio Etrusco a écrit :
but as somebody already said some days ago in another thread, I think
mixing religion with anything is a bad idea... I wouldn't mind
I remember, after megido (?), and the beginning of Lazarus, I thought
this name was a bad idea. why
Am Montag, den 15.05.2006, 10:01 +0200 schrieb Vincent Snijders:
Michael Van Canneyt schreef:
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Marc Santhoff wrote:
For most things like shell scripts (don't hit me ;) I use JEdit. What I
really love is having the Pos1 key jumping to the start of the
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Ido Kanner wrote:
Nicholas Wirth once said that a language requires good name (I don't recall
the
exact quote), without a good name the language will fail.
In that case he did a poor PR job, obviously.
Obviously the name C++ is why
Enough about naming issues ;-)
And enough about suggesting Lazarus as generic RAD. Why don't use
Eclipse then?
No sir, I pretty much like Pascal syntax, with ':=' for attribution
and no braces blocks ;-)
Back to the original subject, maybe (unfortunately) one can think that
they were not very
If you want to gain users and/or developers, the application name needs to be
known around the world. For this reason the name is very important and to my
own experience Lazarus is not a good name.
Allthough I am only an amateur programmer (used to program with VBA, VB within
Access mostly) I
I think a name change isn't necessary, but what FPC/Lazarus would need
is a group of people doing the same as distributors do: combining
FPC/Lazarus into one nice and easy to use package. This project/package
could get a new name, probably something descriptive like FreeRAD,
OpenRAD or GNU RAD.
On Sun, 14 May 2006, m2 wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt a écrit :
People taking offense at this name only make themselves ridiculous.
I refuse to take that (or them) serious. ( Yes, and I will take the
risk that I will burn eternally in hell for this ;-) )
As far as I am concerned, it is
Quoting Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 14 May 2006, m2 wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt a ֳ©crit :
People taking offense at this name only make themselves ridiculous.
I refuse to take that (or them) serious. ( Yes, and I will take the
risk that I will burn eternally in
Just a few thoughts (MHOs):
* The success of Lazarus depends on the support for doing
useful things in a reliable, nice and easy way - the name is
not so important.
* Lazarus is/will be on the radar screen of the Delphi users
in the first place. These could want to use it because of the
Lazarus might not be the best of names but neither is Delphi and
especialy not Gambas (which sounds extremely moronic).
Delphi is a stupid name too, it's just marketing which got it to the
position it has.
Ales
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On Sun, 14 May 2006, Ales Katona wrote:
Lazarus might not be the best of names but neither is Delphi and
especialy not Gambas (which sounds extremely moronic).
Delphi is a stupid name too, it's just marketing which got it to the
position it has.
Amen to that :-)
If Lazarus puts pascal
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Ido Kanner wrote:
Nicholas Wirth once said that a language requires good name (I don't recall
the
exact quote), without a good name the language will fail.
In that case he did a poor PR job, obviously.
Personally, I belive that we need to kill the name Pascal
On Sunday 14 May 2006 08:57, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Ido Kanner wrote:
Nicholas Wirth once said that a language requires good name (I don't
recall the exact quote), without a good name the language will fail.
In that case he did a poor PR job, obviously.
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
I think a name change isn't necessary, but what FPC/Lazarus would need
is a group of people doing the same as distributors do: combining
FPC/Lazarus into one nice and easy to use package. This project/package
could get a new name, probably something descriptive like
Quoting Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Ales Katona wrote:
Lazarus might not be the best of names but neither is Delphi and
especialy not Gambas (which sounds extremely moronic).
Delphi is a stupid name too, it's just marketing which got it to the
On 5/14/06, Borut Maricic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* The success of Lazarus depends on the support for doing
useful things in a reliable, nice and easy way - the name is
not so important.
Acctually I think that what makes a tool or language popular is
propaganda, and the best propaganda on
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
If Lazarus puts pascal as a language on the map again, it's name is
VERY well chosen indeed, as Lazarus rose again from the grave !!
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should rather
strive to be compiler/language independent. Implementing
By the way,
Why to have a PR noise at all?
Why don't just keep doing its development and spreading it through its
website as it is?
Is it not enough what exists already?
Márton Papp
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Al Boldi wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
If Lazarus puts pascal as a language on the map again, it's name is
VERY well chosen indeed, as Lazarus rose again from the grave !!
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should rather
strive to be compiler/language
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By the way,
Why to have a PR noise at all?
Why don't just keep doing its development and spreading it through its
website as it is?
Agreed and that's why I usually don't respond to such threads and work
instead on FPC :)
On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:00:44 +0300
Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Calling it OpenRAD would probably be perfect, unless it's already taken.
That's a description, not a name.
Micha
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Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Al Boldi wrote:
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should
rather strive to be compiler/language independent.
Over looked into the FCL/LCL how close they are tight with the compiler?
Couldn't this be addressed using plugins?
Thanks!
--
Al
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
If Lazarus puts pascal as a language on the map again, it's name is
VERY well chosen indeed, as Lazarus rose again from the grave !!
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should rather
strive to be compiler/language independent.
On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:00:44 +0300
Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Calling it OpenRAD would probably be perfect, unless it's already taken.
That's a description, not a name.
Micha
Call it DevCo IDE then ;-)
Just admit it - the best name for the IDE is Lars.
Al Boldi wrote:
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Al Boldi wrote:
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should
rather strive to be compiler/language independent.
Over looked into the FCL/LCL how close they are tight with the compiler?
Couldn't this be addressed using plugins?
On 5/14/06, Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should rather
strive to be compiler/language independent. Implementing this with the FPC
would probably be proof enough that Pascal isn't dead.
Some other things were mentioned, but I
doesn't matter if the product is good
Jim
- Original Message -
From: Borut Maricic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lazarus@miraclec.com
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request for PR noise !
Just a few thoughts (MHOs):
* The success of Lazarus depends on the support
On Sun, 14 May 2006 18:06:46 -0300
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/14/06, Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A RAD/IDE should not lock itself into one language only, but should
rather strive to be compiler/language independent. Implementing this
with the FPC would
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Hello,
I am a long-time reader of Linux Journal. Once, a long time ago,
an offer of mine to write about Free Pascal in Linux Journal was
turned down (actually, shunted to Linux gazette).
I was therefore quite shocked when I discovered that in the latest
issue of
On Saturday 13 May 2006 09:55, Al Boldi wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Hello,
I am a long-time reader of Linux Journal. Once, a long time ago,
an offer of mine to write about Free Pascal in Linux Journal was
turned down (actually, shunted to Linux gazette).
I was therefore quite
On Saturday 13 May 2006 10:24, L505 wrote:
A name change would probably do a lot of good to this project.
It does sound like some sort of disease - I used to be made fun of in
school for my short and precise name (Lars) since it is a European name and
it is rarer to find where I live. Mean
On 5/13/06, johnf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They printed an article on Gambas. In Spanish it means shrimp.
On portuguese, Gambas is a black and white animal that stinks a lot
when scared =)
--
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
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Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
On 5/13/06, johnf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They printed an article on Gambas. In Spanish it means shrimp.
On portuguese, Gambas is a black and white animal that stinks a lot
when scared =)
Skunk in English. I used to own one. Darn things bite hard too.
On 5/13/06, Tony Maro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
On 5/13/06, johnf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They printed an article on Gambas. In Spanish it means shrimp.
On portuguese, Gambas is a black and white animal that stinks a lot
when scared =)
Skunk in English.
On Sat, 13 May 2006, Flávio Etrusco wrote:
On 5/13/06, Tony Maro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
On 5/13/06, johnf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They printed an article on Gambas. In Spanish it means
shrimp.
On portuguese, Gambas is a black and
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Well:
I don't think that after so many years, Lazarus should change it's name.
People taking offense at this name only make themselves ridiculous.
I refuse to take that (or them) serious. ( Yes, and I will take the
risk that I will burn eternally in hell for this
Michael Van Canneyt a écrit :
People taking offense at this name only make themselves ridiculous.
I refuse to take that (or them) serious. ( Yes, and I will take the
risk that I will burn eternally in hell for this ;-) )
As far as I am concerned, it is not a matter of offense. I am as
atheist
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