[e-users] Re: [E-devel] e16.6-pre3 is out

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:17:40 +0200 Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Selected changes since e16.6-pre2:
(B 
(B De-iconify to current desk and viewport.
(B Native cursor support.
(B Many tweaks and bug fixes for Extended Window Manager Hint code
(B (i.e. GNOME2/KDE3 compatibility).
(B Ignore hidden buttons (theme stuff) when stacking and placing windows.
(B Unshade shaded windows when selected from window lists.
(B
(Bnice work kim... :) nice...! :)
(B
(B Have fun :-)
(B /Kim
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[e-users] Re: [E-devel] e16.6 is out

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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:03:44 +0100 Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Changes since e16.6-pre8:
(B 
(B Don't overwrite file.menu and user_apps.menu when regenerating menus.
(B Fixed click-to-focus bug introduced in pre8.
(B Fixed problem with applications that de-iconify their windows introduced 
(B in pre5.
(B 
(B Thanks to all for contributions, bug reports, testing, suggestions, and 
(B support!
(B Have fun :-)
(B
(Bok cool. excellent! SUGOII! lets do announcement soon then on e.org and try to
(Bignore the /.ing e.org will get :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Fedora Core 1

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:10:02 -0600 Ronald  Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B 
(B Anyone try E16 on Fedora yet?
(B
(Byup. it works. have to compile everything though :)
(B
(B R.
(B 
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Re: [e-users] imlib2: gozer error: couldn't create imlib image for text area.

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:48:04 +0100 Martin Gansser [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B 
(B gozer-0.7 have a problem with imlib2-1.1.0-1.fr.i386.rpm from freshrpms,
(B it print a error message if i create a PNG-Image
(B with german umlauts:
(B 
(B # gozer --background '#' --foreground '#00ff' --text $(D+S+#+d(B
(B test.png
(B 
(B the error message is the following:
(B gozer error: couldn't create imlib image for text area.
(B
(Bimlib2-1.1.0 changed 1. to use utf8 for all text encodings and 2. to use
(Bfreetype2 for font rendering. this will mean some behavior will have changed.
(Byou can't just use "x fonts" as are. you need to use ttf's with font/size
(Bformat. you also need to encode your text as utf-8 text and then you're fine.
(B
(B 
(B with imlib2-1.0.6-fr3.i386.rpm from freshrpms, all works fine.
(B 
(B any hints ?
(B 
(B 
(B gozer (http://linuxbrit.co.uk/gozer/) is a commandline text rendering
(B utility for creating images from abitrary text in antialised truetype
(B fonts using optional fontstyles, wordwrapping and layout control. gozer
(B uses the imlib2 library to create and save images.
(B 
(B this version of giblib is installed:
(B giblib-1.2.3-3.fr
(B giblib-devel-1.2.3-3.fr
(B 
(B -- 
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Re: [e-users] Blended Drop Shadows...possible under E16?

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:51:30 +1100 Fir3nuk3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi all,
(B 
(B I've hunted through the mailing list archives, and I can't find any similar 
(B results, so please, don't hate me...
(B 
(B I'm trying to add a 'drop-shadow' border image to  a window under E16, and I 
(B can't get it to blend(just goes from black to transparent in one step).
(B 
(B Can E16's image rendering handle a 'png' image that fades from solid black to 
(B completely transparent, and blend it smoothly with the window underneath?
(B Does it need to be 8bit, 16bit, 24bit?
(B 
(B Or do I get E17 building under FreeBSD, and take advantage of newer rendering 
(B capabilities...
(B
(Bthe problem is X cannot do blending between windows. thus e16 can't, thus e17
(Bcan't. so your drop shadow will be4 either solid or transparent - nothing in
(Bbetween. :(
(B
(B FN
(B -- 
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(B 
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Re: [e-users] setting E backgrounds from image viewers -- who wants to?

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:31:22 +0100 Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Michael Jennings wrote:
(B  On Wednesday, 14 January 2004, at 19:00:51 (-0500),
(B  Andrew R. Proper wrote:
(B  
(B  
(B I've recently made a small addition to Enlightenment
(B DR16.7 which makes it possible to easily set the
(B Enlightenment background from an image viewer like
(B GQview. Here's a screenshot:
(B http://exomorph.org/site/screenshots/screenshot--2004,01,13-CloakSword.jpg
(B 
(B My question to you is this: Would any one of you like
(B to be able to use this feature as well? 
(B 
(B If enough people would use this feature, I will try to
(B get a patch accepted into the codebase.
(B  
(B  
(B  No patch needed.  Look at E-slides' code.
(B  
(B  Michael
(B  
(B The epplets use one interface to E and eesh another.
(B On the epplet interface it is possible to set the current background, 
(B but on the eesh interface it is not.
(B 
(B This could be fixed by implementing the missing "set current background" 
(B operation.
(B A more general solution might be to expose the entire epplet interface 
(B to eesh.
(B
(Bactually there is no epplet api to change backgrounds - (well not in the epplet
(Blibrary). the slides epplet uses E IPC to talk to e and set up a new background
(Bfor the desktop - this is exactly the same ips eesh gives you as a raw
(Bcommand-line. it's there! :) it's all in eesh ipc :) as KainX said - look at
(Be-slides. all it does is programmatically send the same ipc you can type in eesh
(B:)
(B
(Bremember all the epplet api does is use e-ipc (what eesh gives you as a
(Bcmd-line/interactive shell) to do its dirty work :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Eterm ignores multichar fonts in theme.cfg, why?

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:34:39 +0900 (JST) Yasufumi Haga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Hello all
(B 
(B I compiled Eterm 0.9.2 a few days ago using Eterm-0.9.2.tar.gz
(B which I downloaded from eterm.sourceforge.net.
(B This Eterm works fine, but without "--mfont" option I can not
(B use multibyte fonts such as Japanese. That is, even if I add
(B a "multichar" context like the following to
(B /usr/local/share/Eterm/themes/Eterm/theme.cfg,
(B 
(B   begin multichar
(B   encoding eucj
(B   font 0 -misc-fixed-merium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-140-jisx0208.1983-0
(B   font 1 -misc-fixed-merium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-c-160-jisx0208.1983-0
(B   font 2 -misc-fixed-merium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-140-jisx0208.1983-0
(B   font 3 -misc-fixed-merium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-c-160-jisx0208.1983-0
(B   font 4 -misc-fixed-merium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-c-160-jisx0208.1983-0
(B   end multichar
(B 
(B when invoking this Eterm without using "--mfont" option, I can
(B not show a text file written in Japanese, in this case tiny
(B rectangular figures are displayed instead of Japanese characters,
(B or input Japanese characters.
(B 
(B When invoking this Eterm with, for example, "--mfont k14",
(B I can both read and write Japanese normally.
(B 
(B Is the behavior of my Eterm correct ? Whether there is
(B "multichar" context in theme.cfg or not, do I always have to
(B use "--mfont" option in order to use multichar fonts such
(B as Japanese ?
(B 
(B Thanks for any help.
(B
$B$3$l(B $B$O(B $B$o$?$7(B $B$N(B Eterm theme.cfg $B$7$g$7$F(B [EMAIL 
(BPROTECTED]$V(B $B$G$9!#(B
(B
(B:)
(B
(B-
(B
(BEterm-0.9
(Bbegin main
(B  begin color
(Bforeground #aa
(Bbackground #00
(Bcursor #ff
(Bcursor_text #44
(Bscrollbar #3f1c00
(Bunfocused_scrollbar #77
(Bmenu #77
(Bunfocused_menu #77
(Bmenu_text black
(Bpointer #ff
(B
(Bvideo normal
(B
(Bforeground #aa
(Bbackground #00
(Bcolor  0 0x1e 0x1e 0x1e
(Bcolor  1 0x88 0x55 0x55
(Bcolor  2 0x55 0x88 0x55
(Bcolor  3 0xaa 0x88 0x66
(Bcolor  4 0x55 0x55 0x88
(Bcolor  5 0x88 0x55 0x88
(Bcolor  6 0x55 0x88 0x88
(Bcolor  7 0xaa 0xaa 0xaa
(Bcolor  8 0x44 0x44 0x44
(Bcolor  9 0xcc 0x88 0x88
(Bcolor 10 0x88 0xcc 0x88
(Bcolor 11 0xcc 0xcc 0x88
(Bcolor 12 0x88 0x88 0xcc
(Bcolor 13 0xcc 0x88 0xcc
(Bcolor 14 0x88 0xcc 0xcc
(Bcolor 15 0xff 0xff 0xff
(Bcolor bd #ff
(Bcolor ul #ff
(B  end color
(B  
(B  begin attributes
(Bname %appname()
(B
(Bfont default 0
(Bfont proportional 0
(Bfont 0 nexus
(Bfont 1 7x14
(Bfont 2 8x16
(Bfont 3 9x18
(Bfont 4 12x24
(B  end attributes
(B  
(B  begin multichar
(Bencoding eucj
(Bfont 0 k10
(Bfont 1 k14
(Bfont 2 kanji16
(Bfont 3 k18
(Bfont 4 kanji24
(B  end multichar
(B  
(B  begin actions
(Bbind ctrl button1 to string "\e]5;\a"
(Bbind ctrl button2 to string "\e[?30t"
(Bbind ctrl button3 to menu Eterm
(B  end actions
(B  
(B  begin toggles
(Bmap_alert on
(Bvisual_bell off
(Blogin_shell true
(Bscrollbar off
(Butmp_logging on
(Bselect_line false
(Biconic false
(Bhome_on_echo 1
(Bhome_on_refresh 1
(Bscrollbar_right true
(Bscrollbar_floating false
(Bborderless false
(B  end toggles
(B
(B  begin keyboard
(Bsmallfont_key LessThan
(Bbigfont_key GreaterThan
(Bkeysym 0xff08 "^?"
(Bkeysym 0xffbe "^[OP"
(Bkeysym 0xffbf "^[OQ"
(Bkeysym 0xffc0 "^[OR"
(Bkeysym 0xffc1 "^[OS"
(B  end keyboard
(B
(B  begin misc
(Bsave_lines 4096
(Bcut_chars "\t\\\`\\\"\'() *,;=[EMAIL PROTECTED]|}"
(Bborder_width 1
(Bterm_name xterm
(B  end misc
(Bend main
(B
(B
(B
(Bmaybe this will work for you. it works for me! (japanese and all) :)
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] distrobutions

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:51:06 +0800 Wouter van Marle
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Strawberry flavour.
(B 
(B Oh you mean distro? I'm using Mandrake now. Works OK, would be nice to
(B have an Enlightenment based distro. It is still kind of a rough hack
(B (using it as window manager under gtk2 desktop).
(B
(Bif i had the time... i'd do a distro. just for myself of all people! :) i'd love
(Bto actually do a distro that's stripped down - no "apache" no "mysql" no
(B"openldap" in fact no gimp, etc. basically just what u need to install, log in,
(Band run a terminal, download some files, maybe browse a website or 3, read
(Be-mail. all things like "gimp" would be add-on packages (of course an easy to
(Buse package fetcher would be included), but all of this is a side-line. i'd like
(Bto make it ULTRA FAST to boot. make it boot in about 3-5 seconds to your login
(Bmanager. this is perfectly possible. in fact it can be done in under seconds if
(Byou REALLY want (it's been done) :)
(B
(B Wouter.
(B 
(B On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 20:21, Justin P wrote:
(B 
(B  I would like to know what the common distributions used by Enlightened
(B  people are. Please let me know what your fav. flavor of linux is.
(B  
(B  Justin
(B  
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Re: [e-users] distrobutions

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:54:47 +0100 Andrej Kacian [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:16:57 +0900
(B Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B 
(B  if i had the time... i'd do a distro. just for myself of all people! :) i'd
(B  love to actually do a distro that's stripped down - no "apache" no "mysql"
(B  no"openldap" in fact no gimp, etc. basically just what u need to install,
(B  log in, and run a terminal, download some files, maybe browse a website or
(B  3, read e-mail. all things like "gimp" would be add-on packages (of course
(B  an easy to use package fetcher would be included), but all of this is a
(B  side-line. i'd like to make it ULTRA FAST to boot. make it boot in about 3-5
(B  seconds to your login manager. this is perfectly possible. in fact it can be
(B  done in under seconds if you REALLY want (it's been done) :)
(B 
(B Since you included the clause "if i had the time", I suggest you take a look
(B at Gentoo. It's pretty much what you describe. I don't know about fast booting
(B though, I never considered it a priority.
(B 
(B PS: Let's hope this won't turn into a distro war now :)
(B
(Bdefinitely not! no distro wars here. everyone has their preferences. right now i
(Bhave debian installed and i'm not going to try gentoo as that'd mean a
(Bre-install. i might try it when i have a spare box and spare time... i'm not
(Breally into waiting days for my system to compile though...
(B
(Bbut i guess the real thread here was "is there an e based distro" or "e
(Bfriendly" one. i'd love to do a mini distro for e - for a lean desktop - all
(Bclean and spotless.
(B
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Re: [e-users] distrobutions

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(B Hello, 
(B 
(B Some of U has tried www.knoppix.org which is a LIVE-CD distro based on
(B debian. You can choose lang, wm, at boot time. There is about 2Go of
(B applications on only 1 CD. The packages are uncompressed "in live".
(B 
(B It's very interesting to verify if a computer is Linux compatible. Just
(B Boot on the CD and look the eyes of the (windows) sailor when you can 
(B- connect to the network especially if there is a DHCP 
(B- access the windows partitions with only a click on the desktop 
(B  icons
(B- run the last e17 installed on your USB key !!!
(B- use open office
(B- try the usb or iEEE connection with your camera
(B- print if there is printer connected
(B- and many other things that a full system can run.
(B 
(B all this without anything installed on the disk !
(B And the sailor prays for you to forget the CD !:-D !
(B 
(B Actually, e isn't in the wm list you can choose at boot time but knoppix
(B is, in fact, a debian sarge and gives tools to create/add/remove the
(B (un)needed debian packages.
(B
(Bif anyone wants they could make a knoppix build/variant that does ship with E as
(Bthe wm... :)
(B
(B After booting and validating, you can install knoppix (debian
(B apt-get/cache ...) on your computer.
(B 
(B Any computer (of friend, parents, company) can be transformed in a full
(B linux system configured for your needs anytime ! powerful no ?! 
(B 
(B 
(B 
(B 
(B 
(B  On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:41:39 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B  babbled:
(B  
(B   On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:59:49 +0900
(B   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B   
(Bbut i guess the real thread here was "is there an e based distro" or
(B"e friendly" one. i'd love to do a mini distro for e - for a lean
(Bdesktop - all clean and spotless.
(B   
(B   
(B   There is one
(B   
(B   http://undeadlinux.org/
(B   
(B   Been awhile since I tested it but it installs in the manner of gentoo
(B  
(B  ooh it's alive! err i man dead... err undead :)
(B -- 
(B Debian SID
(B Linux tanna 2.6.3 #1 Tue Feb 24 03:06:51 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
(B Linux Counter #59413
(B PGP fingerprint : 9AFA 15EC 96C9 F607 EBC1  DD41 70C5 F0E0 25A5 105B
(B 
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] Sweet graphics/animation 2 seconds after linux boots!

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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:03:37 +0100 Hallvar Helleseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Hi!
(B 
(B In my attempts to make edje work on DirectFB I did what Ive been
(B waiting a long time for: use Edje to get some sweeet looking bootup
(B graphics 2 seconds after linux boots up (yes, that's actually 2 seconds!).
(B 
(B I'm hoping this will spark some interest in getting involved with
(B improving DirectFB - Evas/Ecore/Edje compatability/bindings.
(B
(BI'm all for that. so far we have X  FB support working ok. The FB support is
(Bnot the best since its mouse and keyboard driving is very simplistic - but it
(Bdoes work. DFB is a good target. NB: the DFB rendering routines in Evas could
(Bdefinitely be optimised - especially the Text routines. :)
(B
(BBTW - your app will probably run significantly faster with evas's FB driver and
(Becore's FB support. :) also rendering quality will be much higher than DFB. also
(Bthe advantage will be that you wont need DFb either so the initrd will be
(Bsmaller :)
(B
(Bbut yes - the important thing is that the same app with (almost) no changes will
(Brun on dfb, x (x software and gl - maybe xrender one day when xrender stops
(Bbeing about 30 times slower than software rendering), fb and in future other
(Btarget displays.
(B
(B The screenshot is posted on the (under development, yet soon there) new
(B DirectFB website:
(B http://tolva.shacknet.nu/screenshots.php?id=20
(B 
(B Description of the screenshot:
(B A test app with smooth animations and effects running 2 seconds after
(B linux boots. It is started from an initrd with DirectFB, Evas, Ecore,
(B and Edje. The initrd image is roughly 3800kb. Graphics card is radeon
(B 9600XT with 256MB ram however it is slow since the directfb radeon
(B driver cant yet accelerate the argb surfaces that evas uses. Whenever
(B the radeon driver in DirectFB can render argb surfaces hardware
(B accelerated it will be LIGHTNING fast :) Oh did I mention the app itself
(B is 75 lines of code..! ;) altough the .eet file describing the graphics
(B and animation is 798 lines (created by The Rasterman -
(B www.rasterman.com)
(B 
(B Be nice if the site goes offline.. I have an unstable wireless link..
(B 
(B Hallvar Helleseth
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Sweet graphics/animation 2 seconds after linux boots!

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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:44:54 -0600 Ibukun Olumuyiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Sun 29 Feb 2004, Hallvar Helleseth wrote:
(B  Hi!
(B  
(B  In my attempts to make edje work on DirectFB I did what Ive been
(B  waiting a long time for: use Edje to get some sweeet looking bootup
(B  graphics 2 seconds after linux boots up (yes, that's actually 2 seconds!).
(B  
(B  I'm hoping this will spark some interest in getting involved with
(B  improving DirectFB - Evas/Ecore/Edje compatability/bindings.
(B  
(B  The screenshot is posted on the (under development, yet soon there) new
(B  DirectFB website:
(B  http://tolva.shacknet.nu/screenshots.php?id=20
(B  
(B  Description of the screenshot:
(B  A test app with smooth animations and effects running 2 seconds after
(B  linux boots. It is started from an initrd with DirectFB, Evas, Ecore,
(B  and Edje. The initrd image is roughly 3800kb. Graphics card is radeon
(B  9600XT with 256MB ram however it is slow since the directfb radeon
(B  driver cant yet accelerate the argb surfaces that evas uses. Whenever
(B  the radeon driver in DirectFB can render argb surfaces hardware
(B  accelerated it will be LIGHTNING fast :) Oh did I mention the app itself
(B  is 75 lines of code..! ;) altough the .eet file describing the graphics
(B  and animation is 798 lines (created by The Rasterman -
(B  www.rasterman.com)
(B 
(B Awesome ... one piece in my evil plan for the Eunuchs LiveCD distribution
(B manifests into reality...
(B
(Bmaybe this could be something to be merged with entrance. entranced is actually
(Bstarted as the first thing in init -instead of just another init script item,
(Bthen entranced spawns the fb or dfb display client and talks to it messaging it
(Bvia IPC to indicate boot status. when boot is ready and x can be run it asks
(Bfb/dfb child client to exit, starts x and then starts x client entrance
(Bwould come with a cmd-line status util so you'd fill your init scripts with
(Bthese for example:
(B
(Bentrance_status -txt "Checking File System" -ico "/boot/icons/filesys.eet"
(Bentrance_status -log "Error checking File System"
(Bentrance_status -cmd "start-x"
(B
(B:)
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] distrobutions

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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:01:08 -0500 Justin P [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B I would love to help out with this idea.  I am new at this development
(B thing, so I won't be able to give much in the way of guidance but would
(B gladly be an indian and listen and do what the chiefs suggest. 
(B
(Bwell at this stage it's probably a question of - either if we make it compatible
(Bwith a dist - example, make it based on debian and use .deb's then it will just
(Bbe a specific fork of debian's base and we can apt-get install the rest. do we
(Bbuild off RH/fedora? or mandrake? or do we simply examine dists and "DIY"
(B
(Bpersonally i'd DIY to meet the goals of making it ultra-small and ultra-fast to
(Bboot.
(B
(B Justin
(B 
(B On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 20:23, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
(B  On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:54:07 -0600 Ibukun Olumuyiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B  babbled:
(B  
(B   Hmm...I didn't realize this discussion was already brewing on e-users. I
(B   am very interested at this point in creating an E-based distro/liveCD --
(B   mostly out of frustration working with the various retarded Unix WMs I
(B  
(B  there's also undeadlinux that tries to be this - i know very little about it
(B  - so i don't know if its alive, dead, how good etc.
(B  
(B   have to use at work. At this point the tentative plan is to take
(B   MandrakeMove (I chose it over Knoppix because it has better/more
(B   user-friendly administration tools) and strip it down to a bare minimum,
(B   then tack on the E suite and add a few absolutely necessary packages, and
(B   finish off with a nice graphical bootup that hands over to Entrance. If
(B   there is sufficient support for this I'll start up a new project on SF to
(B   begin. Proposed codename is Eunuchs (pronounced "Unix", of course).
(B   Because everyone knows I'm a genius when it comes to naming projects. :)
(B  
(B  not sure i like enuchs... but... hehehehe :) first i like this idea - but
(B  we'd need REAL dedication to this. doing a dist - of any size is a LOT of
(B  work. and i see us having 2 issues here. we have a CD "live" dist and an
(B  installed dist - they can share a lot in common - in fatc i'd love to see a
(B  live dist where one option after it has booted is "install me" as a
(B  menu/app/button etc. the problem with building on a dist and stripping it
(B  down is that you inherit its cruft - no matter how far you strip.
(B  
(B  personally i'd look agt WHAT the dists do to run well and then do it again
(B  "from scratch". that'd be how i would do it. you will make a MUCh leaner
(B  dist and actually understand every component and know why it is there and
(B  exactly what it does. in all honesty this isnt as hard as it sounds...
(B  
(B   -- 
(B   
(B   Ibukun Olumuyiwa
(B   http://xcomputerman.com
(B   
(B   "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy
(B   getting get understanding." - Proverbs 4:7
(B  
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Re: [e-users] Sweet graphics/animation 2 seconds after linux boots!

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:51:13 +0100 Hallvar Helleseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B This is actually one of the reasons I like DFB instead of just plain FB
(B (apart from hardware accell) - DFB has has multi-app core. While you
(B cannot run two evas apps on FB at the same time, this is very possible
(B with DFB, and IMHO quite important. The evas app started from initrd
(B never ever exists - which is quite nice actually!! just one single mode
(B switch. However you need to run XDirectFB if you want to use your X
(B apps. but that wont be a problem if your graphics card is supported
(B (XDirectFB does hardware GLX aswell! seems to be a bit faster than X at
(B it too! atleast with glxgears on a matrox g550. Although it needs some
(B work, but its being done!)
(B
(Bthe problem is for a LOT (probably most) people their hardware wont be
(Baccelerated by dfb - so this isn't really an option. for boot ALL we need is 1
(Bapp in the fb (or dfb) and it can display until X can be run - then screen gets
(Bmode switch. this will work for everyone. if dfb or fb are used on bootup can be
(Bdetermined if dfb accelerates the card sufficiently. remember dfb also has lower
(Brendering quality than evas in the fb - significantly. i could come up with
(Bdemonstrations - bu
(B
(B Entrance would be a very nice app to be the controlling master DFB app.
(B I've been experimenting a bit with that, but as I mentioned in a past
(B email: entrance wont let me log in.. but hey, thats not important is
(B it?  just as long as it looks nice! ;)
(B
(Bhehehe - well it was working for me until today... now it stopped working
(Bgrrr. haven't had time to hunt it down :(
(B
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[e-users] Re: Ground up!

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:18:31 -0500 Justin P [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Personally I'd like to start ground up.  If this is what you mean by
(B DIY.  But I will also do whatever more experienced people suggest.
(B
(Bi've worked on distributions before - i have built a mini-dist that boots in 1.6
(Bseconds to x (on a laptop) that is hellishly minimal. i've done work on
(Bminimalist ground-up stuff on pda's, so i have a bit of experience spread around
(B- but no time to really devote to it. :(
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] E-based distro-Build out of what?

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:47:59 -0600 Ibukun Olumuyiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B That said, I am welcome to the idea of building from ground up so that we
(B can make this as lean and mean as we possibly can. However, some of these
(B distributions (MandrakeMove, Knoppix notably) have LiveCD and package
(B management technology that we will find useful in the process, even though
(B they could also use a lot of optimizing.
(B
(BWell my view is that we arent making "yet another dist" - if we were we'd
(Bneed massive resources. if all we want is to take other peoples tools and
(Bjust change the name to E it's a pointless task. if all we do is take a dist
(Band add E packages - its a pointless task. wehy not just make E packages and
(Bconvince the dist to use them.
(B
(Bi swee this as an oppotunity to do something quite different. :)
(B
(B Finally, while "Eunuchs" was sort of a joke (I wasn't surprised by the
(B response), we do need to settle on a name for it. Ben's project names list
(B posted to e-devel a few months back provides some excellent choices. Once
(B there is a name, we can open an SF project and get the ball rolling.
(B
(B2 things here. first - lets not start thisd without REAL DEDICATED people to
(Bhelp. if we want to make this happen - we need people - dedicated people who
(Bwill stick to it thru thick and thin and are prepared to do a lot of
(Bunrewarding HARD WORK. i personalyl have very little time - and until e17 is
(Bout i have major focuses elsewhere. i've partly been down this road before so
(Bi can offer advice on several things - but not everything by any means.
(B
(Bsecondly - i'd just go for calling it "e" 1 letter. short. simple. its the
(Bthnig that common amongst all e stuff :)
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Re: [e-users] E-based distro-build out of what?

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:44:09 -0800 Steve Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:40 -0800 (PST)
(B Jonathan Charnas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B 
(B  rpm based distro.
(B 
(B http://www.caosity.org/
(B 
(B cAos is fast, rpm-based, and has some fairly minimal install
(B configurations.  It uses some of the latest 2.4 kernel code, and yum
(B (sort of like apt-get) on top of rpm. It's just now at 1.0 so it
(B still has some growth and maturing to do.  Perfect time to get a
(B nice set of e-apps/libs included, and perhaps even a default install
(B option (something like e-cAos desktop?).
(B
(Bgood research - bad angle. read their mission statement.
(B
(B---8-
(BThe Mission
(BTo provide a completely open source stable Operating System distribution
(Btargeting production environments such as data centers, enterprises and research
(Bcenters. In that vein, support and security patches for releases will be for 5
(Byears. This solution intends, from the start to be Linux Standards Base
(Bcompliant and focused on the community needs.
(B
(BThe Goal
(BThe final product will be an administrators Operating System. This means that we
(Bare trying to make a system specifically for the user, and the primary user of a
(BUnix type system is the administrator. Design decisions will be made
(Bspecifically to facilitate easy straight forward administration without trading
(Bflexibility or standardization. We will implement tools that facilitate
(Bmanagement, known standards, and as always giving security foremost attention.
(BThe end result will be a system which is easy to maintain for both advanced
(Bengineers as well as desktop users.
(B
(BWhile cAos is geared towards straight forward administration, it is designed as
(Ba scientific computing platform. This will not limit it to the scientific
(Bcomputing arena as it includes software that will make it suitable for not only
(BHPC clustering but also desktop computing, and a general server.
(B
(BBy the release of cAos1 we will be able to provide a stable Operating System. We
(Brealize this is a lot of work, thus are focusing our efforts on a base system.
(BThis will include a working usable Linux system that includes a basic
(Bdevelopment enviornment, the X Window System, Gnome2, Mozilla, etc. This will
(Bnot be a package-rich release, but will allow for package expansion while still
(Bbeing a usable solution.
(B
(BThe release of version 1.0 signifies more then the release of the OS, but the
(Binfrastructure to support further development, builds, versions, and community
(Binvolvement. 
(B
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Re: [e-users] E-based distro-build out of what?

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:40 -0800 (PST) Jonathan Charnas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B I'm no expert about this, but I really like the idea. I was hoping to
(B switch distros myself sometime soon (soon meaning within 4 months).
(B As a mandrake user, I can tell you what I like and what I don't like:
(B Likes:
(B ease of installation
(B frequent updates, whether security or just new version of a program
(B urpmi tool (kinda like apt, but different, they have a gui for it too)
(B ease to install E
(B 
(B Dislikes:
(B configuration tools not really adequate for non newbie users
(B difficulty to install new programs through rpms ( always have to be
(B blabla.ix86.mdk.rpm, not any rpm, their names and deps are different)
(B 
(B sometimes hard to compile programs because libs in path have a version #
(B to it, have to make simlinks to have a correct compile.
(B 
(B rpm based distro.
(B 
(B 
(B All this to say that I would personally love see a distro of the same kind
(B as gentoo, only a little easier to install (presets for various machines
(B or hardware for instance). If I hadn't run into so many difficulties
(B trying to install gentoo the first time, I would keep running it. The
(B thing with gentoo is it installs only what you need, and compiled for your
(B needs. In my opinion it's the best idea. What could make it easier would
(B be a text configuration utility that asks for your hardware and sets the
(B best options automatically and starts compiling the base programs on its
(B own.
(B In short a mix of gentoo and mandrake would be perfect. I don't know if
(B it's feasible, and many of Mdk's configuration programs might be non
(B open-source, which might be a little tricky in case of inclusion in a new
(B distro.
(B 
(B And for a name, how about "En-tux" ?
(B 
(B Hoping for some actions to happen and contributions to give to this
(B project soon,
(B
(Bwell the real question is - will this actually become a project. i know i've
(Bbitched about sysv init for years - i just haven't sat down and had the time to
(Bfix it. i have enough on my plate these days. if i was paid to do all this i
(Bprobably would get to it, but i'm not, so this is definitely looking for
(Binterested parties who have experience and know-how who agree on what to do - if
(Bthey are willing to dedicate themselves? i don't think this is a project to go
(Bcompete with a major dist - it's a LOT of dedicated work to do that. u need a
(Bdifferent angle to make it even vaguely worth your while. i know kainx maintains
(Bvermillion and thats a tonne of work. there's spanky and he works on gentoo
(Bpackages and others on debian - i dont say any of these are bad, but they dont
(Baddress a lot of issues and likely wont. i personally am not font of politics
(Band so i wouldn't even dream of trying to change an existing dist to address
(Bthose as i see a political battlefield in all this.
(B
(Banyway - so importantly - are there enough people willing to be dedicated to
(Bthis?
(B
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Re: [e-users] EVAS for embedded 2D graphics

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:50:55 + Ant Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B 
(B Hi all,
(B 
(B I'm interested in using Evas for my embedded application.  I run on an XScale 
(B platform, Linux 2.4 kernel.  The features of Evas seem perfect for what I 
(B need, but before I go further, can anyone advise on the following:
(B 
(B - How easy will it be to cross-compile evas for my xscale / arm cpu?
(B
(Btrivial. i in-fact compiled, evas, ecore and edje (cross-compiled) yesterday,
(Busing the skiff cross-compile suite you can download from handhelds.org. i
(Bcross-compiled for ARM.
(B
(B - Are there any special compilation options which I should be aware of?
(B
(Bhave u spotted the make_cross_compile_arm.sh scripts in cvs? :):):) heheheh
(B
(B - Does Evas have to run on top of X or can I compile it for direct frame 
(B buffer usage?  If so, how?
(B
(Bi use it for fb - i use a combo of evas, ecore to get events, fb handling,
(Bkeyboard and mouse. warning the mouse drivers in ecore_fb are very limited so it
(Bmay require you to add more support for a particular touchscreen device of yours
(Bor pointer device, if you have one. you can also run it in x - but you will get
(Babout a 20% speed hit as a result :(
(B
(B - From where should I download a suitable version of Evas?  I'm not familiar 
(B with CVS but I believe I'll have to become so!??
(B
(Bi suggest cvs - its always up to date - though it changes often. if you have
(Bproblems and we fix it - the fixes will go right into cvs so its the fastest
(Bplace to get updates - we might do a snapshot release
(B
(B And finally, is anyone out there already already running Evas in their 
(B embedded arm application?  If so I'd love to hear from you.
(B
(Bme! :)
(B
(Bbtw:
(B
(Bhttp://www.rasterman.com/files/eem.tgz
(B
(Byou will need from cvs:
(B
(Be17/libs/eet
(Be17/libs/evas
(Be17/libs/ecore
(Be17/libs/edje
(B
(Bi have it running on my ipaq sitting right next to me. return opens the menu,
(Barrow keys to navigate. return selects a menu item/submenu. settings-wallpaper
(Bis all that works right now. this is more of a demo...
(B
(B thanks
(B Ant
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Having trouble compiling evas_demo from CVS E17

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:48:25 - Ant Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B 
(B Can anyone advice on the following please:
(B
(Byes. sorry about all this but evas, ecore etc. all changed dramatically since
(Bthe presentation and documentation you have, there's explanations in the new
(Bevas docs u'll find in the evas src if u have doxygen installed and run:
(B./gendoc
(Bthen look in doc/html doc/man etc.
(B
(B
(B Using the instructions in the Evas presentation I've compiled edb, imlib2 
(B (after getting libtool, libltdl and libltdl-dev from my mandrake 9.2 
(B distribution cds) and then evas.  I then tried to compile evas_demo.c from 
(B the tutorials.  It complained about not being able to find ecore.h so I 
(B then compiled ecore.  It's now saying:
(B 
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] evas_demo]$ make
(B gcc `evas-config --cflags` -c main.c -o main.o
(B main.c:41: error: syntax error before "render_method"
(B main.c:41: error: `RENDER_METHOD_ALPHA_SOFTWARE' undeclared here (not in a 
(B function)
(B main.c:41: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B main.c:45: error: syntax error before "main_win"
(B main.c:45: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B main.c: In function `ecore_timeout':
(B main.c:64: error: `evas' has an incomplete type
(B snip
(B 
(B Where have I gone wrong?
(B 
(B I remember reading somewhere that the API in E17 has changed from that in 
(B the evas documentation.  Does this mean that the demo and examples are yet 
(B to be updated?  If that's the case, what's a good starting point for 
(B getting into application development with evas?
(B 
(B Thanks for all help received.  I'm only compiling evas for my i386 at the 
(B moment.  After this comes cross compilation for xscale without X.
(B 
(B Ant
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Having trouble compiling evas_demo from CVS E17

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:41:18 - Ant Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B 
(B 
(B On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:02:11 +0900, Carsten Haitzler 
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B 
(B  yes. sorry about all this but evas, ecore etc. all changed dramatically 
(B  since
(B  the presentation and documentation you have, there's explanations in the 
(B  new
(B  evas docs u'll find in the evas src if u have doxygen installed and run:
(B  ./gendoc
(B  then look in doc/html doc/man etc.
(B 
(B Thanks for the reply.  Given that I'm new to Evas, fairly new to Linux, 
(B and very new to cross-compiling, would it be easier for me to get going 
(B with the version of evas for which the demos and examples apply?  Is that 
(B e16?
(B
(Bno no - use the current cvs stuff. that old stuff wont be useful for embedded.
(Bdefinitely use ccvs stuff - there's tonnes of sample code in cvs... tonnes -
(Bincluding that tarball i pointed to.
(B
(Bget the skiff corss-compile stuff from handhelds.org install that then use the
(Bmake_cross_compiel stuff (and install the resulting arm tarballs it makes in
(Byour skiff/local/arm-linux root)
(B
(B If I stick with E17, have you got a simply program which draws a rectangle 
(B or somesuch?  I could then try to get that running on my desktop i586 and 
(B then on my arm platform.
(B
(Bgo to enlightenment.org - theres simple evas tutorials. also cuddletech.com has
(Bone too. they use the new api's. yes - first get it working on x86 in a window.
(Bit's 1 line change to make it work on the fb on your device, so u can ignore
(Bthat for a long time.
(B
(B I do appreciate all the help you're giving me.  The features of evas seem 
(B perfect for my application so I'm very keen to keep going with this.
(B
(B:) well first - get a window - then a big box, get a few rectangles. images are
(Btrivial to do. just remember image and fill are separate. (ie the fill specifies
(Bhow the image fills the object geometry)
(B
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Re: [e-users] error compiling evas cvs

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:09:01 -0500 Kyle Gonzales [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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(B 
(B I'm using a RH9 box, and I got the same error.
(B 
(B There is a line that checks for C++ usage within an if statement in the 
(B code.  apparently, some versions of the auto tools don't like that.  My 
(B solution was to remove the test from the if statement.
(B 
(B If I can find it again, I will let you know.
(B 
(B Personally, I think this means the build is broken on several platforms 
(B due to autotools differences.
(B
(Bi blame autoSPLAT. i dont give a crap anymore. i'm sick of continuously changing
(Bthe build scripts for every minor rev of autoSPLAT tools that breaks something
(Bon someones platform. if it works for the people developing the code - good.
(Botherwise: nothing will happen to fix it.
(B
(B  Hi everybody:
(B  I obtain this error when I try compiled cvs evas lib ---
(B  
(B  configure: error: conditional "am__fastdepCXX" was never defined.
(B  Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally.
(B  
(B  Any idea?
(B  I use automake 1.7 autoconf 2.57 with make 3.79.1 on Linux suse 8.1 with
(B  kernel 2.4.25 and XFree86 4.4.0
(B  Thanks
(B  --
(B  Usuario Linux: #198057
(B 
(B - -- 
(B Kyle Gonzales - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B 
(B "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
(B   temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
(B - - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
(B 
(B "xterm The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there
(B should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take
(B the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"
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Re: [e-users] how is E going on?

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:44:58 +0800 (SGT) Didier Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B I heard it's the legacy X Window System Input Method (XIM) used by
(B existing Input Methods such as chinput, xcin, kinput2, ami and many
(B others.
(B 
(B But the Intranet/Internet Input Method Framework (IIIMF) is the next
(B generation Input Method Framework will be set to replace the above.
(B 
(B Some links on the next generation inupt for these Asian languages:
(B 
(B Full invitation letter:
(B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/
(B 
(B Testing guide:
(B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide/
(B 
(B IIIMF testing packages:
(B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/files
(B 
(B IIIMF open source project site and other projects on OpenI18N:
(B http://www.openi18n.org/
(B http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index;
(B req=vi$
(B 
(B 
(B Available for tests:
(B   + iiimf-le-inpinyin for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN.UTF-8)
(B   + iiimf-le-xcin for Traditional Chinese (zh_TW.UTF-8)
(B   + iiimf-le-canna for Japanese (ja_JP.UTF-8)
(B   + iiimf-le-hangul for Korean (ko_KR.UTF-8)
(B
(Bhmm - interesting. i will have to check this out when i get some time. god...
(Bthat reminds me - i need to find some! :)
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] another e17 related question... but not about when it'll come out or how to make it work.

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:26:58 -0800 John [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B I was just reading on slashdot.org that Fedora will eventually switch 
(B from XFree to Xorg. I was just wondering if the two are compatible, and 
(B how much will have to be re-written if we want to port DR17 to Xorg?
(B
(Bnothing will have to be rewritten at all. 0 change for us. :)
(B
(B I'm not a programmer, and this is the first time I hear of Xorg to start 
(B with, but where will this lead us? I mean, I've been waiting for E17 for 
(B 5 years (and unfortunately I don't have ANY programming knowledge aside 
(B from BASIC), and I would hate to learn that this will mean a total 
(B re-write once again.
(B Any info?
(B
(Bnup nup - no changes :) if anything - maybe benefits :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] another e17 related question... but not about when it'll come out or how to make it work.

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:53:48 -0800 "Justin Rocha (Xenith)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:24:41PM +0900, in the study, with the lead pipe,
(B Carsten Haitzler wrote:
(B  nup nup - no changes :) if anything - maybe benefits :)
(B Maybe we'll be able to rip out the pseudo-transparency code and have real
(B alpha-blending! :)
(B
(Bwhy do you think i've been opposing psuedo-trans all along? to save the work of
(Bmaking it then ripping it out and having a half-arsed solution inbetween.
(B
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Re: [e-users] Pager Windows

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:30:54 + "A. S. Budden"
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi there,
(B 
(B I have a bit of a problem with the pager windows.  For some reason (and
(B for quite some time now), the borders around the pager windows have been
(B looking a bit odd.  I assumed that I'd done something stupid like delete
(B the relevant bitmap files, but I just decided to increase the number of
(B desktops that I have from 6 to 9 and lo and behold, the new pagers that
(B were created look correct.
(B 
(B I have tried going down to only one desktop and then back up to 9 again,
(B but it makes no difference.  I have put a screenshot here:
(B 
(B http://tinyurl.com/2gmuo
(B 
(B Can anyone offer any help with this please?
(B
(Byou at one point set your pagers to use a certain border class/name but that
(Bborder is not provided by your theme its fallen back to a raw default of grey.
(Bjust set the border to whatever u like (alt+right mouse on pager - set border
(Bstyle). :) problem solved. same as any window :)
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 : evas segmentation fault

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:08:21 +0200 Antonio Palladini [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hello List,
(B 
(B i have downloaded the actual e17 cvs and it compiles fine.
(B 
(B If i start for example the evas_gl_x11_test programms , i got a  
(B segmentation fault error.
(B 
(B How can i fix this ?
(B
(Bdoes evas_software_x11_test work?
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 : evas segmentation fault

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:57:36 +0200 Antonio Palladini [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Am 31.03.2004 03:50:21 schrieb(en) Carsten Haitzler:
(B 
(B  
(B  does evas_software_x11_test work?
(B 
(B No, it wont. I got a Illegal instruction.
(B 
(B gdb says :
(B 
(B 115 cpu_feature_mask |= CPU_FEATURE_SSE *
(B 
(B Program received signal SIGKILL, Illegal instruction.
(B evas_common_cpu_sse_test() at evas_cpu.c:50
(B 50prefech(blah)
(B
(Bthis is ok - type:
(Bcont
(B
(Bin gdb to continue - evas traps the illegal instruction (when not under gdb) and
(Bthen knows to disable that feature. see what happens after that... :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 : evas segmentation fault

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:55:54 -0600 Ibukun Olumuyiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Wed 31 Mar 2004, Antonio Palladini wrote:
(B  Am 31.03.2004 03:50:21 schrieb(en) Carsten Haitzler:
(B  
(B  
(B  does evas_software_x11_test work?
(B  
(B  No, it wont. I got a Illegal instruction.
(B  
(B  gdb says :
(B  
(B  115 cpu_feature_mask |= CPU_FEATURE_SSE *
(B  
(B  Program received signal SIGKILL, Illegal instruction.
(B  evas_common_cpu_sse_test() at evas_cpu.c:50
(B  50  prefech(blah)
(B  
(B 
(B You compiled evas with SSE support, and you don't have an SSE-enabled CPU.
(B
(Bevas always compiles with it if you are on x86 :) u can explicitly disable it,
(Bbut this is just gdb interfering with the cpu detection routines. a simple cont
(Bwill let it march on its way, do its detects then get onto wherever the problem
(Bmay be.
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 : evas segmentation fault

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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:27:58 +0200 Antonio Palladini [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Am 01.04.2004 02:04:51 schrieb(en) Carsten Haitzler:
(B 
(B  this is ok - type:
(B  cont
(B  
(B  in gdb to continue - evas traps the illegal instruction (when not
(B  under gdb) and
(B  then knows to disable that feature. see what happens after that... :)
(B 
(B 
(B (gdb) cont
(B Could't get register: No suitable Prozess found
(B (gdb) cont
(B Cannot fetch general-purpose register for thread 1084689472: generic  
(B error
(B 
(B The last error follows every cont i type in.
(B 
(B Will try it without sse support when i am back from Work.
(B
(Bhmm interesting. i know evas works on my p300mmx - or did when i compiled and
(Bran it a while ago.. so it does detect things properly.. i wonder what broke.
(Bi'll have to dig it out and see... maybe tonight.
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] tutorial for Entrance themes?

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:23:34 -0400 John Charnas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B hey guys, me again...
(B I finally figured out how to make Xnest work after all...
(B but now that I want to hack more than just the images, I'd like to know 
(B if some of you have a very well commented and complete theme.edc file... 
(B my problem is: I don't understand all of the strings and how to indicate 
(B the position of objects in the theme.
(B Can someone help me out here?
(B
(Bhave u read e_logo.edc and test.edc in the edje source dir? cuddletech.com has a
(Bgood edje resource too.
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] tutorial for Entrance themes?

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:07:13 -0400 John Charnas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B yeah, I've read the info on cuddletech. I spoke to Atmos on #edevelop,
(B and I think I got it... it's just that I didn't understand how the
(B coordinate system worked. I'll see if I understood properly and give it
(B a kick...
(B
(Bhmm - damn - we should write a doc.
(Bwell the co-ords are pixels (or canvas units) they are specified as the top-left
(Bcorner and bottom right corner of a "part" (rel1 and rel2 respectively) the rel
(Bvalues are 0.0-.1.0 (tho not limited to this) as relative to another parts
(Bgeometry 0.0 being left/top and 1.0 = right/bottom 0.5 = middle. you can then
(Bspecify an absolute offset form this relative position - this basically lets you
(Bdo 90% of what anyone would ever want with positioning and layout.
(B
(Bthen theres min/max/step size constraints, alignment if the desired size is
(Bdifferent to the constrained size (ie how to align it relative to the desired
(Bsize rect)... god... its a lot of stuff... much more than that even... :)
(B
(B Thanks though
(B John
(B 
(B
(B
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[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Any Suggestions ?

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:08:43 +0300 Onur Kucuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B  Hello,
(B 
(B  Soon I will be giving a seminar about Enlightenment in "3rd Linux and
(B Open Source Festival, May 13 - 16, 2004, Ankara, Turkey"
(B  ( http://senlik.linux.org.tr )
(B 
(B  I am planning a "user side" introductary seminar (for a start) and will
(B focus mostly on eye candy, features, eesh, past and future etc.
(B 
(B  E16, Eterm and E17, will try to talk about all.
(B 
(B  Are there any suggestions, previous examples etc. ? (yes I will parse
(B enlightenment.org :)
(B
(BOooh. Where do I start... Actually. I don't know where to
(Bstart. What are you trying to talk about EXACTLY? I can't give you a everything
(B- I'd be typing for days! :)
(B
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[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Any Suggestions ?

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:58:55 +0300 Onur Kucuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B  I will make this one an "introduction to E". People see me using it
(B everywhere I go, but it is not enough.
(B 
(B  I'll try to tell why I use E (especially over any other DE), what
(B advantages it has, examples of what can be done using E, eesh etc.
(B 
(B  I will also try to give info about E17, some applications (evidence :)
(B etc.), where to find and install stuff.
(B
(Bhmm in all honesty this is where a lot of the exciting new stuff is happening.
(Bbut so far its all libraries that really only interest developers - but its part
(Bof us making our own lives easier for developing e17 and onwards. there is a lot
(Bof stuff there - ewl (widget set), evas (canvas), ecore (does everything
(Bincluding cleaning the kitchen sink), edje (theme engine on steroids), embryo
(B(virtual machine executer  compiler used by edje), and several "cool" test
(Bapps. the e17 code tree in cvs is something in excess of 500,000 lines of code -
(Band growing. e16 was 100,000 liens (actually a little less).
(B
(B  I probably will talk also in a few other places in the country.
(B Later on, after more people get used to E, I am planning a "deeper E", a
(B more technical one.
(B
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Re: [e-users] new user, seeking a little help

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:25:58 +0930 Samuel Nicholas
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B im new to everything,,
(B 
(B im wanting to start making things with the EFL so im learning,,
(B 
(B i was wondering how the direct input of keyboard and mouse work so i 
(B decided to make a console app which does stuff accordingly, but i dont 
(B have a clue as to how to get it working
(B 
(B int he docs i saw ecore_fb events for keyboard and mouse, but for some 
(B reason i dont have those libraries on my pc, i emerged the ecore sources 
(B on my gentoo box and its just not there
(B 
(B so i saw the ecore_x library which also has keyboard and mouse events, 
(B only prob is that im stumped, if anyone can please spare the time i 
(B would be most thankfull.
(B
(Bit would seem your emerge of ecore didn't build the ecore_fb library/module - u
(Bmay need to get it from source and do it by hand.
(B
(Bnow it depends how you want to get events. are you running your apps in X. if so
(B- then you dont want ecore_fb. its for when you dont have a windowing system and
(Brun directly in the framebuffer.
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] entrance problems

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On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:59:42 +0200 Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Kai Edinger wrote:
(B  On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Wu wrote:
(B  http://code.e-shell.org/entrance_fail.jpg
(B  Perhaps someone on this list have had a similar problem before?
(B  
(B  Yes, this Problem seems to me. I thing it is a Problem with
(B  edje and/or esmart. esmart has been moved or better to say
(B  copied in cvs from e17/proto/esmart to /e17/lib/esmart. Check
(B  the Version of esmart. /e17/lib/esmart should work.
(B 
(B I've seen this too, and I fixed it with disabling framebuffer support in
(B a couple of the requisite libs...
(B
(Bi doubt it was the fb disabling that fixed anything. the fact u recompiled evas
(B(then ecore) after having installed eet meant evas turned on eet support and
(Bthus could load the images.
(B
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Re: [e-users] entrance problems

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On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:53:16 +0200 Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B 
(B It works now:
(B 
(B http://code.e-shell.org/entrance_ok.jpg
(B 
(B Ok, the problem was that evas was compiled without edb and eet support (forgot
(B to export CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/e17).
(B
(Byou dont need edb support for this to work. just eet support :)
(B
(B Thnx for your tips guys!
(B 
(B 
(B On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:59:42 +0200
(B Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B 
(B  Kai Edinger wrote:
(B   On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Wu wrote:
(B   http://code.e-shell.org/entrance_fail.jpg
(B   Perhaps someone on this list have had a similar problem before?
(B   
(B   Yes, this Problem seems to me. I thing it is a Problem with
(B   edje and/or esmart. esmart has been moved or better to say
(B   copied in cvs from e17/proto/esmart to /e17/lib/esmart. Check
(B   the Version of esmart. /e17/lib/esmart should work.
(B  
(B  I've seen this too, and I fixed it with disabling framebuffer support in
(B  a couple of the requisite libs...
(B  
(B  -- 
(B  Dr. P
(B  
(B 
(B 
(B -- 
(B 
(B "Perceive that which cannot be seen with the eye." - Miyamoto Musashi
(B -
(B Francisco de Borja L_pez R_o ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(B C_digo23 - Secure Network Solutions
(B http://www.codigo23.net / http://www.e-shell.org
(B 
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Re: [e-users] entrance problems

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On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:31:54 +0200 Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(Bpretty simple: you didnt build eet before you built evas and thus there's no eet
(Bsupport in evas! :) build and install eet then rebuild and re-install evas.
(Bcheck that it enables eet support (configure lets you know what it has and
(Bhasn't detected)
(B
(B Last night i have compiled and installed from cvs all the libs from the e17
(B module as i have read in the cvsnotes.
(B 
(B All of them compiled without problems, so i have compiled/installed entrance
(B too. I have used entrance some time ago and works without problem,
(B butyesterday, all I could get is this:
(B 
(B http://code.e-shell.org/entrance_fail.jpg
(B 
(B Trying to find a solution, someone in #e (freenode) points me to evas compiled
(B without png support, but some test on evas worked:
(B 
(B http://code.e-shell.org/evas_test.jpg
(B 
(B I have try to see if the default theme was correctly installed, using edje:
(B 
(B http://code.e-shell.org/edje_view.jpg
(B 
(B But i dunno if that is what it must be...
(B 
(B 
(B Perhaps someone on this list have had a similar problem before?
(B 
(B -- 
(B 
(B "Perceive that which cannot be seen with the eye." - Miyamoto Musashi
(B -
(B Francisco de Borja L_pez R_o ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(B C_digo23 - Secure Network Solutions
(B http://www.codigo23.net / http://www.e-shell.org
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Bug or locales misconfiguration ?

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On Mon, 10 May 2004 10:43:43 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Is it a bug, or a problem of configuration of FreeType2 for the use of
(B accented letters ?
(B
(Bthe problem is:
(B
(Bimlib2 expects text strings encoded as utf8. enlightenment is likely not giving
(Bimlib2 utf8 strings, but raw strings straight from the titles without converting
(Bto ut8 first and thus when it gets a character that is not standard ascii (which
(Bis compatible with utf8) parsing of the string stops and the string is cut-off.
(B
(Bthis is a bug in e16 :/
(B
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Re: [e-users] Evas tutorial

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On Thu, 27 May 2004 23:19:53 +0200 phriedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B 
(B because the Evas-tutorial on e's homepage is outdated and doesn't compile
(B against an actual version of evas, I've got a question.
(B 
(B Could someone be so kind to write a as-short-and-easy-as-possibly evas
(B program?
(B
(Bevas displaying on what? just evas alone? evas + ecore? how much? ecore hides a
(Blot of the setup and glue details if you want to use evas in x or the fb (and in
(Bfuture i imagine even more targets)
(B
(B It would be nice to have something to start a bit easier than to trying to
(B understand the more complex code of an "real" program, even it's as small
(B as iconbar.
(B
(Bhave you tried looking at the test programs shipped with ecore for example? :)
(Bthat is small and simple and shows a fair bit of useful code :)
(B
(B Many thanks for all your great work,
(B 
(B Friedrich 
(B 
(B
(B
(B-- 
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[e-users] Enlightenmetn at Linuxworld Expo, in August in San Francisco

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OK people. In-case you haven't heard the news, we got ourselves an .ORG booth
(Bat Linuxworld Expo, in August in San Francisco.
(B
(BHere's the "meat".
(B
(B
(B
(BEnlightenment has been able to arrange a .ORG booth at Linuxworld Expo that
(Bgoes from August 3 to August 5 in in San Francisco, thanks to some quick
(Bfootwork and good help (thanks CD!).
(B
(BWe have booth no. 161 at the "front" of the .ORG booth pavilion. It's a very
(Bgood spot so decent exposure.
(B
(BAnyone who wants to get to Linuxworld in San Francisco, we have 100 "show
(Bpasses" to give out - first come, first served (on the day). We will arrange
(Bto have someone outside to hand these out in the mornings.
(B
(BFor more information about the event go here:
(B
(B  http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO04A
(B
(BNow here is where YOU come in.
(B
(BFor the coders:
(B
(BThis is a good time to finish off loose ends and come up with some flashy
(Bdemos... it is NOT a good time to break things. If you can make it - please
(Bdo - the more dev's the better! Whow your stuff off - talk to others... have
(Bsome fun. I know many can't make it because of location - I have maanged to
(Bget lucky and have it become a work related trip. Maybe you can pull the same?
(B
(BFor the arty crowd:
(B
(BTheme makers, renderes, modellers, painters... draw yourselves silly! :)
(Bartwork always looks good. :)
(B
(BFor the pulbicists:
(B
(BWeb people - bloggers, irc junkies etc. This is where you get to plug E @
(BLinuxworld. You can come along and talk, pulbicize, hang out...
(B
(BFor everyone else:
(B
(BThis is probably a good place to come see, listen, and hang out - if you can
(Bmake it you are MORE than welcome!
(B
(BPeople who want to actually help (bring hubs, ethernet cabling, monitors to
(Bdisplay stuff, chairs, etc.), we have a mailing list for you to join and post
(Bto. If you want to help and can come, please join here:
(B
(B  http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/ultramonkey-event
(B
(Bor do the usual mailman saga here:
(B
(B  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B
(BPlease let us know that you joined and what you can/want to do to help.
(B
(BNow there is one small catch - we do have to share the booth with 2 other
(Bprojects - but they will likely attract a much smaller crowd... so we won't
(Bbe too crowded, I hope.
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] French translation

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0200 Ludwig Noujarret [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
(B Hash: SHA1
(B 
(B Hi all,
(B 
(B I'm a french user of enlightenment which I consider as a must-have and
(B was wondering how could I help the community in order to spread e as
(B wide as possible. So, I can offer parts of my spare time in e french
(B translation and would like to know how can I do this and who may I
(B contact.
(B
(Bin the e16 source look in the po directory
(Byou will see a fr.po as a translation - this file handles translating strings
(Binto french. it may not be up-to-date. :(
(B
(B-- 
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Re: [e-users] French translation

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:04:23 +0200 Ludwig Noujarret [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
(B Hash: SHA1
(B 
(B Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a ?crit :
(B 
(B |On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0200 Ludwig Noujarret
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B |babbled:
(B |
(B |Hi all,
(B |
(B |I'm a french user of enlightenment which I consider as a must-have and
(B |was wondering how could I help the community in order to spread e as
(B |wide as possible. So, I can offer parts of my spare time in e french
(B |translation and would like to know how can I do this and who may I
(B |contact.
(B |
(B |
(B |in the e16 source look in the po directory
(B |you will see a fr.po as a translation - this file handles translating
(B strings
(B |into french. it may not be up-to-date. :(
(B 
(B Thanx a lot.
(B 
(B After viewing this file, the best thing to do would be comparing it
(B with the en_US one, since some translations seem to be unavailable and
(B other ones show lacks. I don't know actually how POEdit works but it's
(B the best way to learn :)
(B 
(B So, in order to update properly this file once finished, may I post it
(B on the devel list or directly mail you ?
(B
(Bsend it to the list :) then everyone gets to see it and try it straight away.
(B:)
(B
(B-- 
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Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:01:18 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200),
(B Moritz Angermann wrote:
(B 
(B  e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :)
(B 
(B Boy, I hope not.  First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of
(B the Linux world:  horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and
(B gratuitous sensationalism.  Secondly, while I think kwo has done a
(B stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic:  E 0.16.x is no
(B longer state-of-the-art.
(B
(Bwow this little thread is getting into a flame fest of e... on e lists by e
(Busers... a little weird :)
(B
(Bok - several things. e has been in non publicity mode to basically keep users
(BAWAY from e17 to avoid the massive wishlist pile that would ensue and simply
(Bhaving to ignore everyone and thus create bad karma (tm) by simply telling
(Bpeople to piss off and leave us alone until we have the nuts and bolts at the
(Blower levels nice and polished. we're not into listening to someone's idea of a
(Bfunky pager display when we don't even HAVE a pager yet! - in fact don't even
(Bhave virtual desktops! :)
(B
(Bso this is WHY we aren't big on the publicity side - one day the time will come
(Bto go all-out.
(B
(Bnow... i don't think we need to debate "e vs wm X".
(B
(Bkim is doing an excellent job working on 16.x. we should in no way underrate
(Bthis. i will also give kudos as its a hard job - many bugs were design errors
(Band fixing them would be TOUGH. thus they just got put off for e17 - and i will
(Badmit, put off for wy too long. but the core libs for e17 (EFL) solve many
(Bniggles already in e16 - modularise heavily meaning different people can look
(Bafter different parts easily. they are very solid, even as-is and improve daily.
(Bwe could S do with people helping with EFL - there are todo lists and
(BFIXME:'s buried in many lumps of code. I am writing up a quick overview of SOME
(Bof the EFL systems (not all - i'm doing the ones i know best - well not even all
(Bof those - my favorites). but i'd rather an army of excellent coders - actually
(Bnot an army. i'd rather 5 EXCELLENT coders spending time on this and doing all
(Bthe things that need doing to help bring e17 out. its a mammoth thing. e17 will
(Bnot use less ram than e16 - it will use a chunk more. it wont be smaller. but it
(BWILL be massively more powerful and expandable - and CLEAN. the code will be
(Beasy to maintain and expand on. it has a future far and beyond being a WM alone
(Band this is where the interesting stuff lies. we could do with help. join #e and
(B#edevelop on irc.freenode.net - regularly people talk about things that don't
(Bhit mailing lists (because of immediate feedback that makes irc better than even
(Be-mail). patches and changes to code get discussed. etc. in comparison to EFL
(Be16 is primitive in many ways. edje (the theme engine in EFL) makes e16's
(Bthemeing code look like a caveman compared to modern man. sure it eats, breathes
(Band sleeps - but the new stuff is S much more capable, powerful. have you
(Bseen the games on websites written in FLASH? flash was originally an animation
(Bformat alone, but it has evolved into much more. i have seen an e-commerce
(Bengine done entirely in flash. i have seen space invaders, pac man, tetris and
(Btonnes of other games... and guess what - edje is almost as capable as flash -
(Band in some ways more powerful. edje alone is worthy of a team of coders and a
(Bproject website - and this is just SOME of what is brewing. this is the power
(Bthat will sit under the next generation of themes for E. we need people learning
(Bit, testing it, playing with it, becoming gurus - NOW - because when e17 does
(Bfinally come - this is how u will get themes... and they will be more than
(Banything else you've seen before. they can animate, react, in fact be entire
(Bworlds on their own. i'm tempted to make a "EDJE browser" that downloaded edje
(B.eet files form the net and works like a web browser... but with edje files.
(Bjust to demonstrate its power.
(B
(Bi digress - the point - EFL does make e16 look primitive. mej is right in that
(Brespect. we need to move this on - and help would be good - not USERS, but
(BCODERS. good ones. :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] (no subject)

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:29:33 +0200 The Fallen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi there!
(B 
(B It's just a crazy idea and if it ever gets realized it'll be far in the 
(B future, BUT i thought it would be good to let you know about it ;) While 
(B searching for new ways to enhance / "candy up" a desktop it came to my 
(B mind to use animated backgrounds. Well, not that new i admit. It takes too 
(B much performance for a much too less effort. So from where could we get a 
(B little more functionality? I found the answer inside the wide wide net: 
(B flash! A relativly simple and very flexible animation/script combination. 
(B Now think of having a flash-powered desktop: WOW! I dont know much about 
(B programming and that kind of stuff, but i think flash really uses not much 
(B ressources although it is that powerfull. Why i post that here? Because e 
(B is known for it's eye-candy ;) As mentioned, just a suggestion for the 
(B future, but you should think about it! It'd enhance e's functionality 
(B greatly! Or how about an mp3-player inside your bg? :P
(B
(Btechnically speaking - even my e17_pre snapshot already can dot that - it can't
(Bmanage windows but it CAN do animated bg's! :) that's because all that is done
(Bin edje (see the other mails in this thread) - its a library for doing all the
(Btheme work for e17. it can animate anything. that includes window borders
(B(imagine when you set focus to a window it "glints" in the sun as if it was
(Bchrome and has just changed angle so the reflection changes or glowing pulsating
(Bbuttons in the titlebar, the titlebar slides from the right to the left going
(Bbetween focused and not focused... etc. it's all already possible.) also menus,
(Bthe desktop background can be an edje file (in fact currently it ONLY is an edje
(Bfile)...
(B
(Bahead of you there :) e17 is taking ages because all this kind of stuff is
(Balready designed into the building blocks - and its working. :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Etox and German Umlaute

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:26:10 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Am Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:21:11 +0200 schrieb phriedrich:
(B 
(B  Hi,
(B  
(B  I've written a small program using Etox for displaying some text.
(B  
(B  text
(B  until the first one occurs, the Umlaut isn't showed and everything
(B  following also isn't showed.
(B  
(B  Is this a font problem? I'm using etox-standard-font Vera
(B  Or have I to mod the text-string before?
(B 
(B Hi,
(B 
(B I'm not sure, but the same problem was with german umlauts some time ago
(B in all E dialogs. As I remember it was a imlib2 problem. But I don't
(B know which version you should install to fix it. I've installed
(B imlib-1.1.1_pre1 and E16-pre5.
(B
(Bimlib2 isnt even used for etox. its not imlib2. is your text you are passing in
(Butf-8? efl is all utf8
(B
(B
(B-- 
(B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
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Re: [e-users] drag and drop problem with opera browser

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:28:03 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hello all,
(B 
(B I have a peculiar problem with drag n' drop in the opera browser, that is,  
(B dragging and dropping within opera and from it to other applications is  
(B completely impossible (I only get the "no dropping allowed" mouse icon).  
(B Dragging something from outside into opera works fine. Funnily enough,  
(B this problem only occurs, when opera is started on any desktop except  
(B desktop 0; furthermore, all other applications interact fine with each  
(B other. Also, in KDE everything works fine.
(B
(Boh this is easy... file a bug with opera. seriously it's an opera bug. why? they
(Bdo NOT handle virtual roots. it's not HARD to do. you just have to NOT assume
(Bthat all application windows have frame windows that are children of the root
(Bwindow - they may be children of a VIRTUAL root. i have seen this code before -
(Bhell xprop and xwininfo in the core x code suffer from this. opera needs to
(BPROPERLY walk the window tree to find the target app window. (ie start at root
(Band keep working down the tree with window geometries until the window is
(Bfound). this is the CORRECT and GENERIC solution that will work for all virtual
(Broot wm's, all non virtual root wm's and any form of swallowed or embedded app
(Bwindows. :)
(B
(Bif you are an opera user they will (hopefully) pay attention as you are a
(Bcustomer.
(B
(B With the enlightenment-0.16.7-0.56 release I could work around this  
(B problem by switching first to the desired desktop and then starting opera  
(B as opposed to starting opera from a different desktop via a keyboard  
(B shortcut and the "remember desktop" option.
(B 
(B With the enlightenment-0.16.7-pre5 release this trick has ceased to work.  
(B I wonder if anybody else had this problem and whether there is a solution  
(B or something.
(B
(Be16 used to set common "virtual root" properties on its vroots - but this isn't
(Bnecessary to solve the problem properly. see above. :)
(B
(B Lacking that, I would invest a little time into making a patch for it. In  
(B that case, I'd be happy if Kim or any of the developers could point me to  
(B a source file where I could start investigating the DnD handling. Also, as  
(B the workaround didn't work any longer after the upgrade to pre5, I assume  
(B that something in this area must have been changed. I'd appreciate a hint  
(B on that, too.
(B 
(B Thanks for any suggestions
(B 
(B Marc
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] SOUND - Debian Unstable

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:36:05 -0300 "Gregory Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B I't been quite a while I've run Enlightenment, but, I have never
(B forgotten that it was it that got me started in the linux world. One
(B issue which I used to face, and still every now and then pick up off the
(B net is the problem with sound in E16 - I remeber that moving windows or
(B just basically doing general operatins which required some processing
(B power, would result in a crummy interference whenever you were playing
(B music or something. I was wondering if anybody has had any experience
(B with this, or more specifically, has anybody experienced a solution for
(B this problem?
(B
(Bthis is a graphics/sound driver clash. if you change video card brands you will
(Bdo much better. there was a thread on the xfree86-devel lists recently (i think)
(Bcovering this. basically lots of agp bus activity locked up other busses (like
(Bpci and isa) so sound basically screwed up whenever doing lots of gfx card
(Bactivity.
(B
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Re: [e-users] evas line rendering performance

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:58:41 +0200 "Nemec, Bernhard"
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B 
(B i'm writing an application which uses evas to display a gui on an embedded
(B system.
(B 
(B Now I'm using a list of lines to draw a curve of measurement values, but
(B evas_render takes more and more time as more lines are added to the canvas.
(B I'm therefore looking for an alternative way of drawing a simple curve in
(B evas. Is it possible to somehow draw the lines into a buffer (kind of a
(B bitmap image) instead of keeping them as evas_objects, so they wouldn't be
(B added to the list of objects that evas_render has to go through in every
(B invocation?
(B
(Byes. evas_object_image_*
(Byou can get access to the pixel data of the image and fill it yourself. its all
(BARGB (from high to low byte, read on a per-32bit word basis - same format imlib2
(Buses and most PC gfx cards)
(B
(Busing lots of lines will slow down - object handling overhead for evas can get
(Bvery high once you hit a few thousand objects... :(
(B
(B I also considered using polygons for a moment, but after looking at the
(B code, I think they will also take more and more time to render as more
(B points are added.
(B
(Bthough less overhead than lots of line objects - a lot less.
(B
(B I very much hope to find a solution to this, because I very much like the
(B functionality offered by evas for my project.
(B
(Bevas can also be extended - the objects are modular (in a way) in that an object
(Btype in evas provides some basic methods to evas (like a paint method, pre/post
(Brender methods, free meothod etc.) take a look at the simpler objects like line,
(Brectangle, etc. they are very simple and are all in 1 file
(B(evas/src/lib/canvas/evas_object_line.c). as you can see it creates an empty
(Bobject type then calls the init function to fill the object with that specific
(Btype's internals. it shouldn't be hard to make a "polyline" or "curve" object
(Band build it from your own basics and then include it as a "first class" object
(Bin evas. i plan on eventually expanding the list of first class objects in evas
(B- jose gonzales is working right now on code for anti-aliases polygons, lines
(Band circles/arcs. i'd want splines/curves too and add radial gradients as well. 
(Bfilter objects are on my list (blur, sharpen, etc.) and more.
(B
(Bif you make such a first-class object it will make your own code simpler (all
(Byou do now is feed a list of points into the object one - by one - like the
(Bpolygon object) and the object does the rest. :)
(B
(B Any thoughts are very welcome.
(B 
(B Thanks,
(B Bernhard
(B 
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Re: [e-users] nautilus2

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:55:27 +0200 Anselme [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B hi Everybody,
(B 
(B 
(B 
(B I use enligthenment 0.16.6 on a FreeBSD 4.10 and I realy enjoy it :)
(B 
(B My problem is when I start nautilus ... I'd like use this graphical file
(B manager but when I start it my descktop background change and I got the
(B gnome one ... :( 
(B
(Bdont use nautilus. it goes and changes it. nautilus is part of gnome and thus
(Bdoes everything the gnome way.
(B
(B Any idea how change this ?
(B 
(B Thank you in advance for any help
(B 
(B -- 
(B Anselme Lapinot :)
(B 
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Re: [e-users] can't get embryo_cc to work

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:58 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hello all,
(B 
(B I downloaded yesterday most EFL libraries and some applications from CVS.  
(B The libraries compiled fine, but when I tried to compile Entice and  
(B Entrance I got the following error:
(B
(Bfixed. snprintf changes broke embryo_cc.
(B
(B ...
(B edje_cc: Wrote  1743 bytes (   2Kb) for "images/42" image entry  
(B "border-bevel.png" compress: [raw: 44.4%] [real: -39.8%]
(B edje_cc: Wrote 11695 bytes (  11Kb) for "collections/0" collection  
(B entry
(B edje_cc: Wrote  1284 bytes (   1Kb) for "collections/1" collection  
(B entry
(B edje_cc: Wrote   625 bytes (   1Kb) for "collections/2" collection  
(B entry
(B embryo_cc: embryo_cc_sc1.c:2227: funcdisplayname: Assertion `tagsym[1] !=  
(B ((void *)0)' failed.
(B 6
(B edje_cc: Warning. Compiling script code not clean.
(B make[3]: *** [default.eet] Fehler 255
(B make[3]: *** Warte auf noch nicht beendete Prozesse...
(B ...
(B 
(B So, I tried this and that, and found, that I couldn't even compile the  
(B example in the embryo/examples directory, i.e.
(B 
(B embryo_cc -oexample.sma example.amx
(B 
(B gave the same error as above. Not even the empty file compiles. Messing  
(B around a bit with the embryo_cc sources I tracked down (a possible  
(B manifestation of) the problem, which is the parsing of "default.inc". It  
(B seems, in embryo_cc_sc1.c funcdisplayname() gets called from  
(B operatoradjust() shortly before a "symbol already defined" error. If I got  
(B it right, it happens while parsing
(B 
(B native Float:operator*(Float:oper1, Float:oper2) = float_mul;
(B 
(B in the hidden calls section in default.inc. So, after some more tries,  
(B with everything from that line on commented out, it compiled the example,  
(B but when making Entice for example I get now "tag mismatch" errors. Not  
(B that I had hoped much that this obscure "workaround" would actually  
(B work... However, I'm at a loss of what to do next.
(B 
(B Anybody has any idea what could be wrong?
(B 
(B Marc
(B 
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[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.

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On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Peter Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote:
(BLet's see whether we agree on the basics then, shall we.
(BLooking at OSNews, the comments from the E-team, as far as they can
(Beasily be identified, are +1 Informative.  The Eugenia's comments
(B-1 Troll.  If we agree this far, then it's not intuitively obvious
(Bto me why you are writing to us rather than her.
(B 
(B Eugenias comment (My take) is perhaps not informative - neither a troll.
(B It is not hard to cough up differences between GNOME/KDE and E wich seems
(B to be the usability buzz these days. E is different.
(B 
(B Anyway - what I'm upset about is not who did what. It's the bad attitude.
(B You don't have to badmouth anyone just because you disagree.
(B A simple "Obviously she's wrong; here is why" is more than sufficient.
(B
(BActually the amazingly bad thing is it was an underhanded way of mis-reporting
(Bjournalism. in the article she got it all factual and correct - then instantly
(Bposted a comment to the article to swing the topic around. as a journalist she
(Bshould report fairly and accurately. she did this only "just". the article did
(Bnot discuss a WM. it  mentioned a future one, but it was about an EFL release,
(Bnot e16 vs gnome, or e17's WM.
(B
(Bthe comment was completely off-topic and not warranted. the fact that a
(Bjournalist goes and then posts comments to her OWN articles as the 3rd comment
(B35 minutes later trying to steer the topic into a flamewar is a disappointing
(Bshow of professionalism. if people were discussing the quality of the article or
(Bher reporting style, sure she has a right to defend herself, but her tack here
(Bwas completely off. it's like she didnt even know what she reported on, and
(Bjournalism showing such ignorance even of their OWN reports is a sad thing to
(Bsee. it was like reporting on a new bmw 530 series then commenting how you don't
(Blike the shape of bmw bikes and find them ugly.
(B
(Bi'm just disappointed to see this kind of quality in reporting, as her comment
(BIMHO does not lie in the category of objective comments, but as part of the
(Barticle.
(B
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Re: [e-users] imlib2 cvs status

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(B 
(B Hi all:
(B I search the list for imlib2 problems like I saw the other day and I
(B can't see any answer...
(B I must suposse,imlib2 in cvs is not right (I talk about 1.1.2 version) ?
(B why when I compiling imlib2 I can't obtain imlib2.so  only imlib2 file?
(B I can't also start e16 whit this lib version.
(B
(Bbuilds perfectly here. we will make a release soon. use the release - not cvs
(Bthen.
(B
(B Thanks
(B - --
(B Usuario Linux: #198057
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Re: [e-users] newbie question: how to compile CVS file?

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Peter Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Didier Casse wrote:
(B  You have to compile the EFLs in the correct order.
(B  Suggested order is:
(B 
(B  # eet
(B  # edb
(B  # imlib2
(B  # embryo
(B  # evas
(B 
(B I'm pretty sure embryo depends on evas.
(B IIRC it asks for evas-config
(B
(Bno. embryo depends on NOTHING. it has no dependencies at all :)
(B
(B ps.
(BIf any moderator sees this, my previous mail accidently used the wrong
(Brole (too early in the morning), please don't forward it to the list.
(B ds.
(B ...http://www.update.uu.se/~peterl.
(B Peter Lundqvist  /'\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign
(B Studentv. 32:22B \ / No HTML/RTF in email
(B Sweden   / \ Respect for open standards 
(B --
(B 
(B Viewing people through a filter of religion, race or nationality
(B is not a  visual problem, it's a heart disease.
(B   -- Dartwill Aquila (DA)
(B
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Re: [e-users] newbie question: how to compile CVS file?

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:28:50 -0700 "Justin Rocha (Xenith)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 01:17:32PM +0800, in the study, with the lead pipe,
(B Didier Casse wrote:
(B  Suggested order is:
(B ...
(B 
(B You're forgetting imlib2_loaders, which should come after edb/eet but before
(B evas. And, of course, after imlib2.
(B
(Bactually imlib2_loaders should come after imlib2 and after edb and eet - but
(Botherwise it doesn't mater - u can compile it last if u want. nothing depends on
(Bimlib2_loaders at compile-time.
(B
(B:)
(B
(B And to be picky, emotion requires evas, ecore, and edje (as well as embryo).
(B
(Bindeed - though edje is only needed for emotion for its test program. i really
(Bshould remove it as a dep... and not have the test prog use edje :)
(B
(B # imlib2
(B # eet
(B # edb
(B # imlib2_loaders
(B # evas
(B # ecore
(B # embryo
(B # edje
(B # emotion
(B # epeg
(B # epsilon
(B # etox
(B # esmart
(B # ewl
(B 
(B -- 
(B Justin Rocha  KG6SGU
(B -Xenith || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://xenith.org/
(B JabberID:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   || AIM:  JustinR98
(B 
(B Enlightenment - http://www.enlightenment.org/
(B 
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Re: [e-users] newbie question: how to compile CVS file?

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:13:01 -0700 "Justin Rocha (Xenith)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 09:16:49AM +0900, in the study, with the lead pipe,
(B Carsten Haitzler wrote:
(B  actually imlib2_loaders should come after imlib2 and after edb and eet - but
(B  otherwise it doesn't mater - u can compile it last if u want. nothing
(B  depends on imlib2_loaders at compile-time.
(B  
(B  :)
(B Really? I thought evas wouldn't have eet/edb support without the loaders. (at
(B least, that's what I recall from my experiments. :)
(B
(Bevas doesn't use or know anything about imlib2. :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Imlib2 problem

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:57:53 +0200 (CEST) prokoschnov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B I use Fedora core 1
(B 
(B When I try to run enlightenment, I get an error message about Imlib. It cannot
(B find the proper librairy. But this library exists in /usr/local/bin.
(B 
(B So I edited the /etc/ld.so.conf manually to add the /usr/local/lib line in
(B order to tell to the system where the lib is.
(B It still does not work cause the librairy I have is not Imlib2 but libImlib2.
(B What may I do ? (it seems that creating a symbolic link is not very efficient,
(B so I removed the link I created to do so)
(B I thank you for your help.
(B I know that justin had the same problem in May 12th, 2004.
(B 
(B Bye the way, I'm a little bit amazed, I spent less a quater an hour to get,
(B compile and use it on a macintosh (fink is wonderful !)
(B and I have this librairy problem with a PC (I know it works very well on a PC
(B for a long time)...
(B
(Bimlib2 is not an executable. its a library to be USED by other applications
(B(executables) so u can't execute it as such.
(B:)
(B
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Re: [e-users] embryo compile problems on gentoo

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:01:46 -0700 Anthony Arobone [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B First off, I know portage has e17 builds but I'd rather do it by hand
(B unless it proves to be undoable.
(B 
(B That said, I stepped through all the lib components building one at a
(B time in the order enlightenment.org says to build them, but when I get
(B to embryo it gives a compile error.  For each lib I run autogen.sh,
(B make, make install, and then ldconfig.  I just checked everything out
(B of cvs today.  Can anyone make sense of this compile error/warnings?
(B 
(B Thanks,
(B Anthony
(B 
(B gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -DLINUX -I../../src/lib -I../..
(B -I../..-g -O2 -c embryo_cc_sc1.c
(B In file included from embryo_cc_sc.h:37,
(B  from embryo_cc_sc1.c:33:
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:61: error: syntax error before "ucell"
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:61: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:84: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:84: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:86: error: syntax error before '}' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:86: warning: `packed' attribute ignored
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:86: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:131: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:131: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:147: error: syntax error before '}' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:147: warning: `packed' attribute ignored
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:147: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:226: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:226: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:226: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:227: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:227: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:227: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_amx.h:244: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
(B In file included from embryo_cc_sc1.c:33:
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:109: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:109: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:134: error: syntax error before '}' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:134: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:210: error: syntax error before "symbol"
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:210: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:218: error: syntax error before '}' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:218: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:442: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:442: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:470: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:471: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:473: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:474: error: syntax error before '*' token
(B embryo_cc_sc.h:475: error: syntax error before "namehash"
(B ...etc...etc...etc...
(B
(Bhate to say it... but "works here".
(B
(B:(
(B
(Bwell i remove using c99 stdtypes - back to the good old faithfuls (in cvs)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Two questions on Entrance

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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:33:37 +0200 Szymon Boniecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B   
(B I have switched to Entrace lately and I love this rotating logo
(B greeting me every morning.
(B 
(B I was wondering, though, how to pass arguments for the X server when
(B starting entranced? I'd, for example, like to set -dpi 96.
(B 
(B And is there possibility to tell entranced not to use second head
(B when Xinerama is enabled? I've got different resolutions on my
(B heads and some Entrance options appear on 'black areas', hide
(B in fact.
(B In those gloomy times when I used gdm, the greeting screen was
(B displayed only on the first head and the desktop was streched
(B to the second after I've logged in.
(B
(Bi think this needs to go on the "things to be fixed" list :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] X and Enlightenment for the future...

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:36:34 +0400 laurent waro [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hello everyone,
(B someone can tell me about the future of enlightenment  and X : Xfree or 
(B X.org if  they choose to follow differents ways ? What about 
(B compatibility with E?
(B
(Berr - the new xservers are not breaking compatibility so i don't see that this
(Baffects e in any way :). the x protocol is still a standard and right now e17
(Bwork is not using any new extensions and thus not even making USE of features
(Badded to x in the last few years - as in either x.org or xfree86 the useful new
(Bfeatures (mainly xrender) is so slow on basiclly every single driver, that it's
(Butterly useless (please see renderbench for info). other features like damage
(Band xfixes aren't a LOt of use without xrender as well, so this is the
(Bbottleneck - and it has been so since it came into existence and to this date as
(Bbest i know has not changed. (caveat - it has for a particular driver on 1 gfx
(Bchip only - the issue is the software fallbacks that are used if full accel is
(Bnot feasible/possible/available yet). i wont go into details here though.
(B
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Re: [e-users] edje_cc problem while building Emotion

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:23:44 +0200 Jan Swierzawski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) napisa$(D)H(B(a):
(B  and this is a recent cvs? did imlib2 build with png loader support? when you
(B  built it?
(B 
(B Imlib2 is built with png loader support, and I downloaded it some two
(B days ago and started building it right after the download was complete.
(B
(Bwell for some reason imlib2 cant load that png image. libpng, the png loader
(Bmodule, imlib2 itself or something is refusing. it's odd and i don't know why.
(Bdo you have multiple libImlib2.so files on your system in different places?
(B
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Re: Fonts offset from where they should be

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:20:49 +0100 "A. S. Budden"
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Thus spake Carsten Haitzler:
(B  On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:48:45 +0100 "A. S. Budden"
(B  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B  
(B   Another problem I've noticed that I guess is related is that the fonts
(B   in gsview have become really big and blocky -- there's a screenshot of
(B   this problem at http://gataki.co.uk/gsview.jpg
(B   
(B   This is certainly a less irritating problem than the offset text, but
(B   I'd guess solving one would solve the other.  It's really frustrating to
(B   not be able to read the text on epplets -- for the first time since I
(B   started using enlightenment a couple of years ago, I'm seriously
(B   considering changing to a different window manager.
(B   
(B   Can anyone offer any help with this at all... please?!
(B  
(B  this has nothing to do with enlightenment - it looks like your font install
(B  or setup has changed. enlightenment does NOTHING to try change your font
(B  setup, paths etc. etc. something else has changed this.
(B 
(B After a lot of trawling the logs for what's changed and a lot of
(B restarting X to test theories (not to mention a lot of help from my
(B local LUG), I've worked out what the problem is, so I thought I'd post
(B in case anyone else has the same issue.
(B 
(B I'd switched my system over to UTF-8 to enable me to use English and
(B Russian together -- bash doesn't work very well, unless the LC_CTYPE is
(B set appropriately, understandably.  In doing so, enlightenment was
(B running with LC_CTYPE set to en_GB.UTF-8.  Changing the line in my
(B .xinitrc that starts enlightenment to:
(B 
(B LC_CTYPE=en_GB enlightenment
(B 
(B fixed the problem of the font display.  I still think this is a problem
(B with enlightenment, but I leave people who know more about these things
(B to make a final decision.
(B 
(B Hope that helps someone else someday anyway...
(B
(Benlightenment 0.16.x isnt really all that good whne it comes to utf8 - but your
(Bapplications having massive fonts has is definitely your move in LC_CTYPE -
(Bnothing to do with e... :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Multiple Monitors

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:26:59 +1000 "Daniel Stonier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B 
(B I just picked up a second monitor and was curious as to what X  
(B arrangements others are using with e in the same situation - do you use  
(B twinview/xinerama? Are there other
(B options? Is it possible to get both monitors viewing the same  
(B enlightenment desktop simultaneously but moving around independantly?
(B
(Bdont use xinerama. use plain old fashioned multihead then (caveat - u cant drag
(Bwindows between screens or stretch them across screens)
(B
(B 
(B Cheers,
(B Daniel Stonier.
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Re: [e-users] Compiling e17, no way?

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:50:44 -0700 Arlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B No, there is no way to compile e17/apps/e
(B That code is part of some work that was done quite a while ago but now 
(B is dormant since the libs were rewritten.  ebits and ebg are no longer 
(B used and their functionality has since been merged into other libs.  I 
(B believe raster has been working on the new e recently and will upload it 
(B reletivly soon.  Be patient, until then, you can play with the EFL.  The 
(B devs have made it clear that e17 will not be rushed and that library 
(B maturity is prefered over a quicker release of e17.
(B 
(B Ebits has long since been replaced:
(B " The plan in the long term is to provide a new version of the old 
(B Etcher tool that was produced for a predecessor prototype for Edje 
(B (called Ebits) which gave a user a powerful GUI tool to create such 
(B files and edit them. Since Edje is so much more powerful and complex 
(B than Ebits ever was, this work has not yet been done, but is on the 
(B drawing-board." --http://enlightenment.org/pages/systems.html
(B 
(B "Ebits gave way to its rewrite renamed to Edje, which meant that 
(B applications using Ebits were no longer needed (Etcher and Ebony)." 
(B --http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/faq.html
(B 
(B Note to the Devs:
(B I would consider adjusting the README in the apps/e folder as it doesn't 
(B explicitly say this won't build at the moment and that it depends on old 
(B libs that no longer exist.
(B
(Bgood idea. :) done.
(B
(B -Arlo
(B 
(B 
(B Rolando Espinoza La Fuente wrote:
(B 
(B Hi, i've donwloaded e17 from cvs, compiled most libs and some apps..
(B so cant compile some apps (e) without ebits and ebg, but i as far i
(B know... there is no more support for ebits and ebg. Now i'm with e16
(B from cvs.
(B 
(B there is no way to compile e17/e?
(B 
(B cheers.
(B 
(B PD: sorry about bad english, isnt my native language.
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Evas compile problem on x86_64

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:23:43 -0700 "Steve Jordahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B I'm attempting to compile and install the EFLs on a Suse 9.1 64-bit
(B workstation and I'm hitting an issue when I attempt to compile Evas.
(B Here's the error I'm getting:
(B
(Bbefore compiling evas (and any other x stuff) you could try doing this before
(Byou run configure:
(B
(Bexport LDFLAGS=-L/usr/X11R6/lib64
(B
(Bor
(B
(Bexport CFLAGS=-L/usr/X11R6/lib64
(B
(Bto let it find 64bit libs.
(B
(Ba note for the wise:
(B
(B.a files are archive files that contain code to be STATICALLY linked in. they
(Bare not used very often. .so files are shared libraries. you need a libBLAH.so 
(Bsymlink (no version number after the .so) pointing to the major version
(B(libBLAH.so.3.0.0 for example) when linking to BLAH for the linker to work.
(Bldconfig has nothing to do with compiling and linking code :) so the reason it
(Bdoesnt build is efl has no clue it should look in /usr/X11R6/lib64 to link to
(Bbuild a 64bit version of evas... i am not sure on the details of 64bit vs 32bit
(Bfor x86 and if you can safely build a 64bit app and link to a 32bit lib (or if
(Bbinutils lets you). it's liekyl to be evil at best (having to convert a pointer
(Bto 64bit mem space to a 32bit one for a 32bit lib that expects 32bit pointers
(Bfor example...). so the likely reason it wont link to the X11 32bit libs is you
(Bare compiling it in a way that it produces 64bit code and thus MUST link to
(B64bit libs, not 32bit libs.
(B
(B /usr/lib64/gcc-lib/x86_64-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux
(B /bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
(B collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
(B make[4]: *** [libevas.la] Error 1
(B 
(B I believe it's looking for the libXext library.  My understanding is
(B that libXext is installed with the XFree86_devel package, which I've got
(B installed.  I believe I'm seeing the proper library files installed in
(B the file system.  Here are the pertinent listings of my lib directories:
(B 
(B sj64:~ # ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext*
(B lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root14 2004-10-06 02:23
(B /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 - libXext.so.6.4
(B -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 67082 2004-09-15 05:29
(B /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4
(B 
(B sj64:~ # ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext*
(B -rw-r--r--  1 root root 115468 2004-04-05 21:26
(B /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.a
(B lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 2004-10-06 05:21
(B /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.so - libXext.so.6.4
(B lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 2004-10-06 02:23
(B /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.so.6 - libXext.so.6.4
(B -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  84052 2004-09-15 05:08
(B /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.so.6.4
(B 
(B If I do an ldconfig -p | grep Xext I get the following:
(B 
(B sj64:~ # ldconfig -p | grep Xext
(B libXext.so.6 (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.so.6
(B libXext.so.6 (libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6
(B libXext.so (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXext.so
(B 
(B so I believe at least the shared libraries are OK.
(B 
(B From looking in the Makefile after I run either autoconf.sh or configure
(B I believe the linker is looking for libXext.a in /usr/X11R6/lib instead
(B of in /usr/X11R6/lib64.  I've tried installing XFree86-devel-32bit,
(B which installs a 32-bit version of libXext.a in /usr/X11R6/lib, but the
(B linker skips it saying it's not the correct library.
(B 
(B Any ideas?  Any help is greatly appreciated.
(B 
(B 
(B More details:
(B 
(B sj64:~ # uname -a
(B Linux sj64 2.6.8.1 #7 SMP Tue Oct 5 04:48:07 PDT 2004 x86_64 x86_64
(B x86_64 GNU/Linux
(B 
(B sj64:~ # autoconf --version
(B autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59
(B Written by David J. MacKenzie and Akim Demaille.
(B 
(B sj64:~ # automake --version
(B automake (GNU automake) 1.8.3
(B Written by Tom Tromey [EMAIL PROTECTED].
(B 
(B sj64:~ # libtool --version
(B ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.5.2 (1.1220.2.60 2004/01/25 12:25:08)
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Evas compile problem on x86_64

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:46:34 -0700 "Steve Jordahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Thank you for that information.  Now I'm past that error with another
(B error I haven't had any luck tracking down.  Here's what I get:
(B
(Bagain - likely a similar reason. combining both older 32bit style libs and 64bit
(Bon the same system. i am not sure what has happened here - but it's not managing
(Bto link to libeet.so which you would have compiled earlier.
(B
(B gcc -o .libs/evas_software_x11_test evas_test_main.o
(B evas_software_x11_main.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib64
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to
(B `eet_data_image_header_read'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to
(B `eet_data_image_read'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `e_db_open_read'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `eet_read'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `eet_shutdown'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `eet_close'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `e_db_close'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `eet_init'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `eet_open'
(B ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `e_db_data_get'
(B collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
(B make[4]: *** [evas_software_x11_test] Error 1
(B make[4]: Leaving directory
(B `/home/jordahl/Documents/downloads/e17/evas-1.0.0_pre13/src/bin'
(B make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
(B make[3]: Leaving directory
(B `/home/jordahl/Documents/downloads/e17/evas-1.0.0_pre13/src/bin'
(B make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
(B make[2]: Leaving directory
(B `/home/jordahl/Documents/downloads/e17/evas-1.0.0_pre13/src'
(B make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
(B make[1]: Leaving directory
(B `/home/jordahl/Documents/downloads/e17/evas-1.0.0_pre13'
(B make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
(B 
(B Again, any help is greatly appreciated.
(B 
(B Thanx,
(BSteve
(B  
(B -Original Message-
(B From: Carsten Haitzler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(B Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:28 PM
(B To: Steve Jordahl
(B Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B Subject: Re: [e-users] Evas compile problem on x86_64
(B 
(B On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:23:43 -0700 "Steve Jordahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B babbled:
(B 
(B  I'm attempting to compile and install the EFLs on a Suse 9.1 64-bit 
(B  workstation and I'm hitting an issue when I attempt to compile Evas.
(B  Here's the error I'm getting:
(B 
(B before compiling evas (and any other x stuff) you could try doing this
(B before you run configure:
(B 
(B export LDFLAGS=-L/usr/X11R6/lib64
(B 
(B or
(B 
(B export CFLAGS=-L/usr/X11R6/lib64
(B 
(B to let it find 64bit libs.
(B 
(B a note for the wise:
(B 
(B .a files are archive files that contain code to be STATICALLY linked in.
(B they are not used very often. .so files are shared libraries. you need a
(B libBLAH.so symlink (no version number after the .so) pointing to the
(B major version (libBLAH.so.3.0.0 for example) when linking to BLAH for
(B the linker to work.
(B ldconfig has nothing to do with compiling and linking code :) so the
(B reason it doesnt build is efl has no clue it should look in
(B /usr/X11R6/lib64 to link to build a 64bit version of evas... i am not
(B sure on the details of 64bit vs 32bit for x86 and if you can safely
(B build a 64bit app and link to a 32bit lib (or if binutils lets you).
(B it's liekyl to be evil at best (having to convert a pointer to 64bit mem
(B space to a 32bit one for a 32bit lib that expects 32bit pointers for
(B example...). so the likely reason it wont link to the X11 32bit libs is
(B you are compiling it in a way that it produces 64bit code and thus MUST
(B link to 64bit libs, not 32bit libs.
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Multiple Monitors

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:16:26 -0400 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B  On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:26:59 +1000 "Daniel Stonier"
(B  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B  
(B  
(B I just picked up a second monitor and was curious as to what X  
(B arrangements others are using with e in the same situation - do you use  
(B twinview/xinerama? Are there other
(B options? Is it possible to get both monitors viewing the same  
(B enlightenment desktop simultaneously but moving around independantly?
(B  
(B  
(B  dont use xinerama. use plain old fashioned multihead then (caveat - u cant
(B  drag windows between screens or stretch them across screens)
(B 
(B Okay, I'm confused, I'm using xinerama and I can do exactly what you've
(B suggested.  If I don't use xinerama, I get duplication of screens on the
(B monitors.  Any pointers to pages which will tell you how to set this up?
(B 
(B What does this do for you that xinerama does not?
(Bmultihead is what existed "before" xinerama. it is what xinerama is built on. it
(Btreats each screen as a separate head - separate root window etc.
(B
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Re: [e-users] New user.

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(B
(B Hi, i'm a new enlightenment user.
(B 
(B and the welcome?
(B
(Bpants on! :)
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Re: [e-users] Wrong window size

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:53:43 -0200 "Rodolfo M. Raya" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 22:14, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
(B 
(B   Just checked the source code of Eclipse's search  replace dialogue (the
(B   one that annoys me the most) and verified that shell.pack() method is
(B   never called. This deserves an entry in bugzilla.
(B  
(B  i'm not sure what kind of effects you get in a jvm and java - but in most
(B  cases in C if you do this kind of thing the size you get is often
(B  indeterminate as its random "stack values" being used for the sizing.
(B 
(B 
(B Hi,
(B 
(B In Java almost all widgets have relative sizes. When you call pack() all
(B buttons and labels change their size to the minimum one that's enough to
(B hold the text of the widget. After all labels and buttons have minimum
(B sizes, all other elements are resized proportionally and aligned. If
(B necessary, some buttons and labels are finally enlarged to equal the
(B size of related elements.
(B 
(B If you don't pack() the  components of a window or you don't specify
(B size constraints, their sizes remain undefined and the displayed window
(B may be a mess. In some cases, default widget sizes are good enough and
(B the dialogue has pleasant aspect, but there is no written warranty and
(B you get a nice result only by chance.
(B 
(B I write Java applications that run on Windows, Linux and Mac OSX. I
(B prefer to work on Linux because if a window looks good on Linux, I'm
(B quite sure that it will be also OK on Windows and Mac. However, some of
(B my colleagues prefer to work on Windows and when I run their code on
(B Linux, sometimes I see the wrong size defects that Eclipse shows when
(B running on Enlightenment. Those defects are easily corrected adding the
(B right constraints and calling shell.pack(). Some dialogues are also
(B wrong when you run Eclipse on GNOME, but the defects are less obvious
(B and fortunately those wrong windows allow resizing.
(B 
(B For what its worth: this problem is not new. It has been reported in
(B Eclipse's bugzilla (bug 77267)
(B
(Bgotcha.
(B
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Re: [e-users] Wrong window size

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:36:56 -0200 "Rodolfo M. Raya" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 17:29, Kai Edinger wrote:
(B 
(B  Is it a bug or is it a problem with my settings?
(B 
(B 
(B Hi,
(B 
(B Just checked the source code of Eclipse's search  replace dialogue (the
(B one that annoys me the most) and verified that shell.pack() method is
(B never called. This deserves an entry in bugzilla.
(B
(Bi'm not sure what kind of effects you get in a jvm and java - but in most cases
(Bin C if you do this kind of thing the size you get is often indeterminate as its
(Brandom "stack values" being used for the sizing. for most people this might be
(Blots of 0's and so it's sane - but maybe for some if the execution path varies
(Bslightly it's some insane values (like 31432x7532). E will flat out  reject this
(Bas a sensible size and i think limit it to 16000x16000 - it may even have been a
(Bmax of 8192x8192 - i can't remember though.
(B
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Re: [e-users] my contribution

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(B
(B Hello,
(B I am newly Enlightened and have done a page, mainly for my fellow users of 
(B Realsoft3D's Linux version, but, that may be of interest to the E community.
(B 
(B If there are things that can be made to work that I have indicated otherwise I
(B 
(B would like to know but please do not flame me, as I said I am new to all this 
(B (and Loving it so far !).
(B
(Bwhat? bits of realsoft3d's software don't work with e?
(B
(B Zaug
(B 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] e17 menu

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(B
(B Any suggestions on how to change e17 menu in order to make possible to
(B launch some programs from it?
(B
(Bit works. the same way the bar works. i also suggest you stay up to date as the
(Bformat of the files for that just changed. :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] rpm for enlightenment-0.17.0_pre10-NOT_RELEASE_1 in cvs is now available

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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:10:13 -0500 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Friday, 03 December 2004, at 18:19:16 (+0800),
(B Didier Casse wrote:
(B 
(B   Those with Fedora Core x and rpm-based distro can now install
(B   enlightenment-0.17.0_pre10-NOT_RELEASE_1 (current one in cvs right
(B  now) from my apt/yum repository.
(B  
(B  refer to
(B  http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe
(B  
(B  Let me know if there are any glitches.
(B 
(B This is a very, very bad idea.  Do not use NOT_RELEASE_1 as a release
(B number.  What is to say that release 1 is greater or less than release
(B NOT_RELEASE_1?  Use 0.something instead, like 0.%(date '+%Y%m%d')
(B
(Bat this stage if people are installing rpm's of e17.. they deserve the pain they
(Bget.the .spec file explicitly has that in the release to fuck things up and
(Bdenote e17 as something that shouldn't be released/packaged etc. beyond someone
(Bmaybe doing it for themselves and the.spec file is just a handy time saver then
(B:)
(B
(B Michael
(B 
(B -- 
(B Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX)  http://www.kainx.org/  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(B ---
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Re: [e-users] Ebuild 0.17.0

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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:56:07 +0100 Emanuele Cecchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B any possibility to find a package gentoo based , I mean a .ebuild of 
(B the last CVS 0.17.0...???
(B I like to try it e contribute to find bug and error
(B
(Bthere is very little point in that at this stage as there are a tonne of errors
(Bwe know about already - and bugs. it's not complete. we don't need bug reports
(Bof stuff we already know and is due to it simply not being ready for release.
(Buse it and play with it - let us know u like it. but filing bug reports is a
(Bpointless task.
(B
(B"the car doesn't drive that well! it's a bit rough!"
(B
(B"yes. as you may notice we have not put in a rear axle or wheels yet, and
(Bhaven't put in an exhaust system at all yet. this may be why you find it a bit
(B'rough'" :)
(B
(B P.S. I got Impressed on watching the clip of the demo !!! 
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Re: [e-users] can't build .eet files

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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:00:45 +0100 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B 
(B following suggestions on another thread, I just decompiled some .eet
(B file from the applications.tar.gz file, and did edit them to reflect the
(B real app name I got on my system (e.g. I do not have a "sylpheed-claws"
(B binary, just a "sylpheed" one).
(B 
(B now I can see only the icons I didn't edit... but I just changed the
(B executable name and re-edje_cc them! :(
(B 
(B so I tried to rebuild one of the .eet files I didn't change before
(B ("edje_decc gimp.eapp", "cd gimp", "./build.sh") to obtain a new
(B .eet file, and noted that there is a difference of size between the new
(B file and the old:
(B 
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.e/e/applications/all$ ls -l gimp.eapp
(B -rw-r--r--  1 max root 5410 2004-12-02 09:26 gimp.eapp
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.e/e/applications/all$ ls -l gimp/gimp.eet
(B -rw-r--r--  1 max root 5244 2004-12-05 21:30 gimp/gimp.eet
(B 
(B the old file is greater than the new one!
(B how can it be possible? I simply decompiled and recompiled the same
(B file!
(B 
(B here is the contents of the main_edje_source.edc:
(B 
(B data {
(B item: "app/name" "The Gimp";
(B item: "app/exe" "gimp";
(B }
(B images { image: "icon.png" COMP; }
(B collections { group {
(B name: "icon";  
(B max: 48 48; 
(B parts { part {
(B name: "image";
(B mouse_events: 0;
(B description {
(B state: "default" 0.0;
(B aspect: 1.0 1.0;
(B image.normal: "icon.png";
(B } } } } }
(B 
(B ...and here is the content of the build.sh:
(B 
(B #!/bin/sh
(B 
(B edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . main_edje_source.edc gimp.eapp
(B
(Bno no no. the format changed. the data IN the edje is no longer useful. if you
(Brebuild an edje you have tot use enlightenment_eapp to attach executable, app
(Bname, window class etc. information to it and that data lives outside the edje.
(Bif you like the edje gfx there is no need to recompiled the edje.
(B
(B -- 
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(B  membro del Linux User Group Ragusa
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(B 
(B Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla
(B libert__ degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle
(B controversie internazionali; consente, in condizioni di parit__ con gli
(B altri Stati, alle limitazioni di sovranit__ necessarie ad un ordinamento
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(B le organizzazioni internazionali rivolte a tale scopo. 
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Re: [e-users] error compiling evas from cvs

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(B - i use slack10
(B 
(B well any help will be apreciated
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Re: [e-users] kinda offtopic - learning to write code

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:03:08 + dalfa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B every time i am more and more interested in programing and think
(B "there is no better way to learn than enlightenment libs" or i was
(B wrong ? well i know this mail its kinda offtopic but i wanna ask there
(B is a way to learn programing with E libs ?
(B
(Bin some ways the e libs are really easy to use, BUT they require a good grasp of
(BC to start with. many require you understand pointers, structs, function
(Bpointers, callbacks, how core event/program loops work etc. etc. etc.
(B
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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment DR17

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:24:30 +0100 Michael Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hello,
(B 
(B I compiled E17 roughly 60 minutes ago. I am really impressed. I am an
(B enlightenment user now roughly since 2000. I think it becomes more
(B and more perfect. I definitely love it ;-) I compiled E17 roughly 1 year
(B ago for the first time. Because it was unstable I removed it again. The
(B 
(B first time it took me 2 days to compile it. Now it took only 30 minutes.
(B When a friend of mine saw it he decided to trash windows immediately :)
(B 
(B I just want to thank all the developers for their work. I love E. I am
(B looking forward to the release :-)
(B
(Bthanks! we are working hard to make it all work - but it's a slow process to do
(Bright. we have quality standards we want to keep up so things just take time.
(BCVS is there for the impatient to play with and i see has worked for you. that'd
(Bgreat! :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] xcompmgr on E17

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:10:20 +0100 Emanuele Cecchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B I've tried to use xcompmgr with e17  , when I set transset and click 
(B with the cursor on single window , all environment receive that 
(B trasparent intensity...any suggestion about solving it??
(B
(Bit wont work with e17. e17 will need its own compmgr. that will be a long time
(Bcoming due to xrender suckiness. (xcompmgr is incompatible with e17 due to e17
(Busing virtual roots - which is actually part of the plan - to limit outside
(Binterference with e17)
(B
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Re: [e-users] xcompmgr on E17

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:06:23 +0200 Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Sunday, 30 __January 2005 06:36, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
(B  On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:10:20 +0100 Emanuele Cecchi
(B  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B 
(B  babbled:
(B   I've tried to use xcompmgr with e17  , when I set transset and
(B   click with the cursor on single window , all environment receive
(B   that trasparent intensity...any suggestion about solving it??
(B 
(B  it wont work with e17. e17 will need its own compmgr. that will be a
(B  long time coming due to xrender suckiness. (xcompmgr is incompatible
(B  with e17 due to e17 using virtual roots - which is actually part of
(B  the plan - to limit outside interference with e17)
(B 
(B Wouldn't that cause major problems with running e17 applications 
(B together with other applications on the same display ? can two compmgrs 
(B run simultaneously on the same X server ?
(B
(Bno that cant - well ok. yes they can - but thats a technicality. they are like
(Bwindow managers. you only really run 1. this has nothing to do with "apps" a
(Bcompmanager is not an "app" its a very special x client. e17 will eventually one
(Bday provide its won compmgr built in - that means u dont (need) to run another
(Bone as its pointless. :)
(B
(Bi suggest you read up just hos the composite extension, xdamage extension, and a
(Bwindowmanager work at the lower levels and you'll be much more illuminated and
(Bknow where i'm coming from. :)
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Re: [e-users] E17 menus

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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:00:16 -0700 Bruce Lundquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Greetings,
(B 
(B I finished installing E17 from yum with the help of Didier Casse.  It
(B works great and looks tremendous.  Much thanks to you Didier!  I have
(B one question though, how do I create/modify the menus?  I was very used
(B to E16 and creating menus was really easy.  Now it's not so intuitive.
(B I've looked for instructions all over the place, but haven't found them
(B yet.  Could someone explain this to me please?  I'd like to also modify
(B the "task bar" that's at the bottom of the screen.  Help there would be
(B good also.
(B
(Bthats the nice thing with e17. it all works the same way :)
(B
(Bthats also how the icons in the top-left of windows work :)
(B
(B~/.e/e/applications/all
(B
(Bis a repository of "app icons". these icons are data files that contain the
(Bimage data (as an edje file) for an icon (so it can animate and scale nicely
(Bunlike a plain png etc.), as well as app name, description, label, generic name,
(Bmultiple language versions of this, the command line to execute and more.
(Bcreating one of these is a little work... but once u have one - just drop it in
(B~/.e/e/applications/all as a file. now E knows about it.
(B
(Bnow how do u get these guys into your favorite applications menu - or the
(Blauncher bar (it's called ibar).? simple. 2 ways.
(B
(B1. drop (cp, ln -s) one of these .eapp files into ~/.e/e/applications/bar or
(B~/.e/e/applications/favorite (for the menu).
(B
(Bif you want submenus in your favorites menu.. create subdirectories and drop
(B.eapp files in there. the menu mimics the directory tree. you can determine the
(Bordering of things in the menu by listing files and dirs in a .order file in
(Beach dir. so the .order would list from first to last all items you want
(Bspecifically ordered. those files in the dir not listed in .order will be
(Bordered alphabetically after the list in .order.
(B
(Bmuch more important though and more efficient is.. you dont NEED the file there
(BAND listed in .order. you can only list it in .order and if the file is not
(Bthere, e will fall back to the same named file in the ~/.e/e/applications/all
(Bdir - so u can save copying and symlinking files around simply by listing them
(Bin .order :).
(B
(Bthe system is designed to make it trivial to install apps - just add a line to
(B.order or drop a file in. to remove the app, remove the file and/or the line in
(B.order). its intended to be very filemanager friendly for managing menus. .eapp
(Bfiles are designed to be entirely self-contained information lumps that contain
(Ball the icon image data and execution info to run something. you can make your
(Bown - there's enlightenment_eapp which is a command-line tool to add meta data
(Bto an edje file to make it able to be used as an eapp file. there is an
(Bicon_example.tar.gz shipped with e17 to show you how i created the initial small
(Bset of sample .eapp files. there are other tools in e_utils too (a ewl gui tool
(Bto modify an .eapp file). eventually we plan on providing more tools, like tools
(Bthat can import gnome and kde's application .desktop, etc. files, as well as
(Bmaybe have a large repository of shared .eapp files all e users can create,
(Bsubmit to the repository so everyone can just  fetch a ready-made .eapp file for
(Btheir app. etc. etc.
(B
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Re: [e-users] e17 keybindings don't work...

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:33:51 +0530 Abhas Abhinav [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi Everyone!
(B 
(B I'm having a very odd sort of problem with e17 keybindings. Even after 
(B I've configured all the keybindings using the ebindings program, none of 
(B them work at all! :(
(B 
(B I can see the following files in ~/.e/behavior/ :
(B 
(B behavior.db
(B actions.db
(B grabs.db
(B settings.db
(B apps_menu.db
(B 
(B What could I be doing wrong? Any sort of inputs would be very helpful 
(B since keybindings are what stop me from using e17 as my wm.
(B
(Bthere did you get that e17 code from?  it's definitely NOT e17 cvs. that code is
(Byears old and nothing like e17 being developed.
(B
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Re: [e-users] e17 keybindings don't work...

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:04:06 +0530 Abhas Abhinav [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Wednesday 16 February 2005 10:49 AM (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B  there did you get that e17 code from?  it's definitely NOT e17 cvs. that
(Bcode is
(B  years old and nothing like e17 being developed.
(B 
(B I'm using the latest e17 - using a debian package built from CVS on 15th 
(B Feb, 05.
(B
(Byou sure as hell arent. e17 sues NO db files it doesn't look in ~/.e/behavior
(Betc. you definitely do not have what he rest of us are working on. you have
(Bnothing close to it.
(B
(B Initially I tried to create my own bindings.db file using ebindings but 
(B it did not work. No matter what keybinding I put in, they just wouldn't 
(B apply. I thought there was something wrong with my config file.
(B 
(B After some searching on google to see if I could get a sample 
(B bindings.db, I fetched a very old version (as you rightly say) from the 
(B e17 CVS Attic. Then when I ran ebindings, it showed a lot of good 
(B defaults, but sadly, it did not work.
(B
(Bas i said... you are nowhere near the e17 we work on. you have something that is
(Byears and years old.
(B
(Bbtw - ebindings doesn't work with current e17 - there are no keybindings support
(Bin current e17. you have gone and found ancient code that we even have gone and
(Bentirely forgotten about.
(B
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Re: [e-users] e17: OpenGL acceleration?

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:00:45 +0100 (CET) Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B  --- Ville Herva [EMAIL PROTECTED] a __crit : 
(B  On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 09:58:13AM +0800, you
(B  [Didier Casse] wrote:
(B   Hi Richard,
(BYou might have not noticed but
(B  the versions for  the
(B   packages have changed a bit. Raster modified the
(B  versions a while ago
(B   downgrading certain packages for the sake of the
(B  code! You're using
(B   the older numbering system. If you want to have a
(B  look at what the new
(B   versions look like, take a look either here:
(B   
(B   http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/
(B   
(B   or 
(B   
(B  
(B 
(B http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/fedora/2/en/i386/RPMS.e17/
(B  
(B  I tried these briefly, and e17 did seem quite slick.
(B  
(B  Is there some way to ensure/check if opengl accel is
(B  used? I have nvidia
(B  drivers, so opengl should be available...
(B  
(B In fact, opengl acceleration is not used in e17 as you
(B can see in code. You can add acceleration replacing
(B _software_ occurence by _gl_. Yet, some bugs could
(B appear. You must not change all occurence. Not for
(B border, or menu for exemple. Then as on my laptop you
(B can use sky.eet with no speed problem ... 
(B
(Bbeware. sky.eet uses LOTS of texture ram (i uses massive image textures - yes, i
(Bcould have been more efficient, but at the time i was just doing a quick example
(Bof what might be possible.)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:17:53 + "Mark R. Bowyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 18:34, Martin White wrote:
(B  I can happily report that E16.999 was a doddle to get going under Mandrake
(B  10.1
(B 
(B With reference to the Mandrake 10 notes, and a little bit of searching on
(Brpmfind.net, I can add that the fc1 RPMs work brilliantly on Sun Java Desktop 3
(Bfor Linux, too.  Since someone said it worked on SuSE already, that wasn't hard
(Bto guess, but just to add to the list.
(B 
(B The hardest part was probably caused by me wanting to keep the Gnome desktop
(Bit comes with running at the same time.  So I brought up the Session prefs
(Bmanager and switched off metacity and nautilus, and left everything else going,
(Band it was fine.  There's no support for the freedesktop signals for changing
(Bdesktop yet, it seems?  Anyway, it worked.
(B
(Bno - we don't support most of them yet. we still dont properly support basic
(BICCCM. we need to make this all work properly. (PS - you managed to stay at sun
(Bwithout getting the chop! :):) good to hear after the recent axes falling in the
(BUK).
(B
(BPS: desktop elements of gnome and kde will never be guaranteed to work. ie
(Bpanel, nautilus, pagers etc. e17 has a much more sophisticated outlook on
(Bvirtual desktops than the fd.o netwm standards - it actually displays 2 desktops
(Bor more if in xinerama and so it cant really work with the pager as u would need
(B2 or 3 or 4 pagers in such a mode. we intend applications to work properly, but
(Bwe don't intend to do any work or compromise our own plans on design, usability
(Band features just to  "meet a standard". you are still always welcome to use
(Bmetacity and gnomes panel and nautilus instead - but think of e17 and precluding
(BNOT JUST another wm but a set of other apps too. :)
(B
(B I missed downloading the sky.eet file, if it was on the rasterman.com site,
(Bthough.  Anyone still got it?
(B
(Bstill there - just changed names :)
(B
(B Ta,
(B -- 
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(B /v\ark R. Bowyerhttp://mark.thebowyers.me.uk[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(B If you were a gladiator in olden days, I bet the inefficiency of how the
(Bgladiator fights were organized and scheduled would just drive you up a wall. 
(B 
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Re: [e-users] Question about E17 (probably stupid)

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:32:39 -0500 roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B How does one turn off the startup/debug delay for E17?
(B
(Bexport NOSPLASH=1
(B
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Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops

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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:01:09 -0500 David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B AFAIK metacity doesn't do edge-flipping so to get it with gnome you
(B start enlightenment when in gnome and save-configuration when you
(B leave gnome.  I agree that they've lost their minds.
(B
(Byes. it's one thing having a feature but being disabled by default for making it
(Bless confusing for novices etc. (and providing an easy way to turn it on later
(Bvia a configuration tool and/or advanced tab/dialog), and another entirely
(Bsimply removing the code for a feature or never implementing it because of
(Bnovices/usability. :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] e17: OpenGL acceleration?

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:58:33 +0200 Ville Herva [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 09:58:13AM +0800, you [Didier Casse] wrote:
(B  Hi Richard,
(B   You might have not noticed but the versions for  the
(B  packages have changed a bit. Raster modified the versions a while ago
(B  downgrading certain packages for the sake of the code! You're using
(B  the older numbering system. If you want to have a look at what the new
(B  versions look like, take a look either here:
(B  
(B  http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/
(B  
(B  or 
(B  
(B  http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/fedora/2/en/i386/RPMS.e17/
(B 
(B I tried these briefly, and e17 did seem quite slick.
(B 
(B Is there some way to ensure/check if opengl accel is used? I have nvidia
(B drivers, so opengl should be available...
(B
(Bopengl accel is not used at all by e17. i consider it too unstable to use in
(Bcode of this level of development. it is not even an option. you CAN enable it
(Bwith a few characters change on 1 line in the code... (well enable for one part
(Bof the screen) but i do not suggest it and i leave this up as an exercise for
(Bthe user. i'm not going to HELP you crash your box. :)
(B
(B BTW: I don't suppose anybody has RPM's for e16.8 beta?
(B
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Re: [e-users] Any userlevel docs for E17 ?

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:23:42 -0500 roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi all are there ANY user level docs for E17? It looks really neat but I 
(B want to know
(B how to use it. I have been using E 16.  I have been enthralled by E 
(B since the
(B E15 days. Boy have things changed ! (for the better ). Just want to know 
(B how
(B to set prefs etc.
(B
(Bwe arent working on docs yet - because we are very busy with the code itself.
(Blude.net has unofficial docs - but nothing official. there's internal design
(Bdocs - but not user level ones yet. we dont plan on working on those for a long
(Btime.
(B
(B
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Re: [e-users] edit xchat.eapp

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:07:34 +0100 Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B jim lawrence wrote:
(B  i need to edit this file  xchat.eapp  located in the 
(B  .e/e/applications/all   
(B 
(B  what tools do i need to accomplish this?  
(B 
(B edb{,_gtk,_vt}_ed, I guess..
(B
(Bno :) they are .eet files - edje files actually with extra eet entries.
(B
(Beet is just like a simplified .zip file. it can contain anything we want it to
(Bcontain... :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] edit xchat.eapp

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:21:24 -0500 jim lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:40:41 +0900, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B  On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:57:32 -0500 jim lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B  
(B   i need to edit this file  xchat.eapp  located in the
(B   .e/e/applications/all
(B  
(B   i want it to load a different application
(B  
(B   also i would like to edit the what appears as a email application to
(B   launch my own email client
(B  
(B  enlightenment_eapp is provided to modify the meta info in these files.
(B  icon_example.tar.gz is there to build your own from scratch.
(B  
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cd .e/e/applications/all
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] all]$ sudo enlightenment_eapp xchat.eapp
(B ERROR: cannot open file xchat.eapp for READ/WRITE
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] all]$ ls
(B aterm.eappgimp.eapp   openoffice.eapp  xchat.eapp  xterm.eapp
(B eterm.eappgnome-terminal.eapp  rxvt.eapp   firefox.eapp  
(B konsole.eappsylpheed.eappxmms.eapp
(B 
(B 
(B I also tried as su - 
(B
(Bit's possible the file is corrupt - or you have multiple copies of libeet
(Binstalled and runtime is linking to an older copy on your system.
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Re: [e-users] gnome fonts

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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:28:18 +0100 Roland Schaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi there!
(B 
(B I use gnome and e0.16.6.
(B unfortunately all font settings (set by nautilus preferences: fonts)
(B gets dropped at exit.
(B after starting nautilus/preferences/fonts the fonts are restored without
(B any font selection.
(B So there must be some configfile which is not read by default.
(B how can i make e to read or execute it?
(B Thx!
(B Roland
(B
(Bthis is a gnome issue as such. you have to run gnome-settings-deamon at startup.
(Bbeware. it takes forever to start and thrashes your disk wildly and uses lots of
(Bresources. you basically begin to feel like you are running gnome.
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 window problem

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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:41:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B 
(B 
(B This is hard to describe, so here's a link to see the problem:
(B 
(B   http://advena.webhop.org/~mark/screenshot.jpg
(B 
(B The "screen" occupies only the upper left corner of the display - the 
(B blank area in the image occupies the rest of the display. I can move 
(B windows anywhere on the display, and the pager sees them just fine. I 
(B know there are multiple reminders :) of the development status of the 
(B code, but I thought someone might be interested in seeing this and/or 
(B commenting on it.
(B 
(B This is on mandrake 10.1, pulled E17 from cvs last night.
(B
(Bthat is one weird resolution (1680x1050)!
(B
(Bi would bet it has something to do with xinerama. basically e17 uses xinerama
(Binfo to find what parts of the root window are "looked at" by each screen
(B(xinerama worsk like this:)
(B
(B+-+
(B|++   |
(B|||   ++  |
(B||  Scr 1 |   ||  |
(B|||   | Scr 2  |  |
(B|++   ||  |
(B|  Root Window++  |
(B+-+
(B
(Byour "root window" is the entire screen  it may extend BEYOND the visibile parts
(Bof your monitors. (this happens when you have 2 monitors with one a lower res
(Bthan the other). the 2 screens can look at ANY part of the root window, and be
(Bany size. they can even overlap. in fact i have found this is happening when you
(Bhave "tv out" enabled on some drivers.
(B
(Banyway - SOMETHING must be advertising a xinerama setup where 2 of these
(B"viewports" overlap. the problem is that right now e17's handling of overlapping
(Bscreen geometries is primitive. it takes the first and throws away any others
(Bthat overlap - it considers these as "wrong" or as "extra viewports" that arent
(Bneeded (they are just extra info for tv out etc.).
(B
(Bnow you might want to check your x setup - do you have 2 screen outs (tv out) if
(Bso, disable it. we need to work on the support for this code - but as i said.
(Bit's primitive right now and so u will just have to simplify your setup until we
(Bget to making it more sophisticated (eg detecting overlapping viewports and
(Bhaving some smart "auto detect" that uses the biggest one of the 2 not just the
(Bfirst. also being able to configure which ones you want to use or not and how,
(Band recording this config info etc.)
(B
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Re: [e-users] E17 window problem

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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:47:29 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B 
(B  now you might want to check your x setup - do you have 2 screen outs (tv
(Bout) if
(B  so, disable it.
(B 
(B 
(B That did it. Thanks for the info. E17 looks great!
(B
(Bthought so :) as a note to anyone else beware of this. the code does need to
(Bbe made more robust as i noted - but for now thats a secondary issue :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] Evas Build Problems

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t_size_set   
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_object_image_smooth_scale_set  evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_output_method_set 
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_damage_rectangle_add  
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_object_gradient_colors_clear   evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_event_feed_mouse_down 
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_event_feed_mouse_move 
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_object_text_font_set   evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_object_layer_set   evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_new   
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B evas_object_geometry_getevas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_object_gradient_color_add  evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_object_polygon_add evas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_object_gradient_addevas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_object_clip_setevas_software_x11_test-evas_test_main.o
(B evas_render_method_lookup  
(B evas_software_x11_test-evas_software_x11_main.o
(B ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to
(B .libs/evas_software_x11_test
(B collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
(B *** Error code 1
(B 
(B Any help given would be much appreciated.
(B 
(B Thanks,
(B -- 
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Re: [e-users] Change size of 'font' in temeperature display????

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:39:01 -0600 MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B Hi,
(B Is it possible to alter the size of the numeric font used in the 
(B 'temperature' mosule display???
(B 
(B If so, how??
(B
(Bedit the theme :)
(B
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Re: [e-users] E Application framwork

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100 Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B Hello!
(B 
(B I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of 
(B framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer.
(B 
(B Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png
(B 
(B You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of 
(B paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use 
(B the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main 
(B menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could 
(B as easily be a word document: 
(B http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png
(B A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever.
(B 
(B So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 
(B menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data 
(B that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en 
(B more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing 
(B environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en 
(B specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a 
(B message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc..
(B 
(B Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;)
(B
(Bno - it's not such a bad idea - mind you, it's not going to be very popular
(Bamongst the existing developer/user base :) they like having 5 or 10 windows
(Bup... and switching. but i can see big merits in your idea. right now e17 isn't
(Bready for it - but later i want to start having pluggable "mdi" modules that
(Bdetermine how to handle apps and layouts - maybe always have 1 "main app"
(Bfocused, with a "Secondary info" app (eg your mp3 player) on an edge/corner of
(Bthe screen. the idea is this would lend itself well to system with limited
(Bresolution and resources (eg embedded devices like pda's, phones etc.). where
(Balso your main way of input may ONLY be a keypad and no mouse/touchscreen.
(B
(Banyway - thought about it and have just put it aside for now - also you are
(Blooking at a document centric model where you either choose an existing
(Bfile/document you have to work on/read or you create a new one (a new image, new
(Btext document, new code project, new e-mail etc.). which i have to say works
(Bvery well for limited purpose devices :) for a pc it may be a little limiting
(Bthough :)
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Re: [e-users] How does the drag bar work ?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:10:21 +0100 Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B I know how to remove it by reading the faq but i still cant figure out
(B how it works ?
(B 
(B What is E17 ?
(B 
(B When are you planning to release DR17, soon or not yet ? 
(B 
(B Enlightment is a bit strange at first but the more i use it the more i
(B like it. Cant wait to try DR17 on my freebsd 5.3
(B
(Benlightenment DR 0.17 (also known as e17 to many) has no release date. it will
(Bcome out when it is ready for use by the general public (that means the TODO
(Blist is done and bugs are ironed out and we have configuration gui's,
(Bdocumentation etc.)
(B
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Re: [e-users] How does the drag bar work ?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:16:56 +0100 Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:23:09 +0900, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B  enlightenment DR 0.17 (also known as e17 to many) has no release date. it
(Bwill
(B  come out when it is ready for use by the general public (that means the TODO
(B  list is done and bugs are ironed out and we have configuration gui's,
(B  documentation etc.)
(B 
(B Where can i read the todo list ? Anything i can do to make it smaller :)
(B
(Bin the e17 soruce.. you can't miss the TODO file :)
(B
(B On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:08:32 -0600, David Eduardo G__mez Noguera
(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B  If you have more than one virtual desktop, move to another virtual
(B  desktop (thats one with a different background, for example) and drag
(B  the drag-bar down.
(B 
(B Nice :)
(B Aldo i really dont think i need the dragbar, its cool doh :)
(B 
(B
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Re: [e-users] multiple desktops in dr17

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:16:34 +0200 Nir Tzachar [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
(B
(B hello list.
(B 
(B can i make a window appear on multiple desktops simultaneously in dr17?
(B i want to get gkrellm2 to appear on all of my desktops 
(B
(Bmake it sticky :) no automated way of doing it though :)
(B
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