[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
I will pray for you taxius, that maybe you will be able to get out of your head a little, and into your heart a little, and then you will understand the tenants of tolerance, compassion, understanding, and sympathy. These are worthwhile emotions dude. I am not sure how you culture them, but for sure you don't culture them by a certain hard cynicism we often see here. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
That is funny. I wonder if we could improve upon it. I don't often read Jim's posts, but when I do, I do so indirectly Alright, pretty lame. Best I can do right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : The all-important proclamation - must come at the beginning of the paragraph.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stephen Collins on Youtube
Oh, this is so clever Michael. It is just part of this misguided notion of yours that TM develops perfection in people, and if it doesn't develop perfection, then at least it removes some of our most blatant flaws. I look at my own life and see all the issues I still have, and on the other side of the equation, the progress I feel I've made. I don't know if you will be be fortunate to have a similar realization, stuck as you are in a particular mindset, and obsessed with Maharishi, and the TMO. But I do wish you luck, in this regard. On the other hand, you have an enormous emotional investment in the take-down of the TM Movement. Could be difficult to move away from that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My favorite comment on one of the news sites that ran this story: We proud of Stephen Collins. Signed, R. Kelly, Roman Polanski, and Woody Allen From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stephen Collins on Youtube Gives a whole new meaning to Let the Bliss Begin.;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
you are a funny guy Michael. You are the guy who spends hours upon hours looking for negative article 20, 30, 40 years old about TM. You take any negative report on TM as gospel, rarely feeling the need for any vetting. So, now you have something substantial. Yes, an admitted child molester in our midst. So we deal with it. You're like that obnoxious guy at a sporting event telling everyone they should be standing up and shouting. You have little credibility Michael. You cry wolf just a tad too much. Like five or six times a day. We'll deal with it Michael, the way normal people do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on celebrity.yahoo.com https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Preview by Yahoo View photo . Stephen Collins (Getty Images) Stephen Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor. There is a formal complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
well said. this is wisdom, and the case nine and a half times out of ten. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
poor you Michael. I am not sure what it proves in your mind, but it sounds like you are just getting started with this. go for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Stephen Collins is a pedophile with a long term pattern of sexually molesting children ... this according to Collins' wife. In the 2014 divorce docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Faye Grant claims Collins admitted that he had sexually molested 3 underage girls over a decade ago: At least two of these girls were molested over the course of several years. Grant says in a declaration, she is sickened by Stephen's actions. She says, I have urged Stephen multiple times to seek treatment for pedophilia, but he has refused to seek proper help or hospitalization for the predilection toward children. I guess Stephen decide to rely instead on his TMSP practice, yagyas and maybe some gem stones and suchlike. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stephen Collins on Youtube
Hey Michael, best you just remain with whatever narrative suits your purposes. But here is a clue. If you there happens to be something in you, (meaning you in the larger context) that expresses itself as a seeker, then you realize early on, there is heavy lifting ahead. No other way around it. Since you evidently know what kind of TM instructor I was, I need not elaborate on that point. Okay, one other clue, (not that it will make any difference), but if you've embarked on a path, and it wasn't what you envisioned, then it's a good idea to cut your losses, and move on. I dare say that is good advice for financial investments that don't work out, personal relationships that don't work out, or a spiritual path that didn't work out. To continue to pour emotional or psychic energy into something you feel has failed you, doesn't make a lot of sense. But maybe that's just me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : TM develops perfection in people, and if it doesn't develop perfection, then at least it removes some of our most blatant flaws. What kind of initiator were you? A COMPLETE blind idiot? That IS what the TMO has ALWAYS claimed of TM - so did your much vaunted fake master, Marshy! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stephen Collins on Youtube Oh, this is so clever Michael. It is just part of this misguided notion of yours that TM develops perfection in people, and if it doesn't develop perfection, then at least it removes some of our most blatant flaws. I look at my own life and see all the issues I still have, and on the other side of the equation, the progress I feel I've made. I don't know if you will be be fortunate to have a similar realization, stuck as you are in a particular mindset, and obsessed with Maharishi, and the TMO. But I do wish you luck, in this regard. On the other hand, you have an enormous emotional investment in the take-down of the TM Movement. Could be difficult to move away from that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My favorite comment on one of the news sites that ran this story: We proud of Stephen Collins. Signed, R. Kelly, Roman Polanski, and Woody Allen From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stephen Collins on Youtube Gives a whole new meaning to Let the Bliss Begin.;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collin's Behavior
slow down Michael. are you going to make a montage of this? let's see what you can come up with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : For decades Collin's has done TMSP and his wife says: Stephen Collins' Ex-Wife Claimed He Has 'Sociopathic Tendencies' http://www.people.com/article/faye-grant-stephen-collins-child-molestation#disqus_thread 10/07/2014 AT 07:55 PM EDT In a statement, Grant says she had nothing to do with its release. I woke up today to learn that an extremely private recording I handed over to the authorities in 2012 per their request in connection with a criminal investigation was recently disseminated to the press, Grant said. I had no involvement whatsoever with the release of the tape to the media. According to court documents filed in November 2013, Grant first discovered Collins's disturbing secret in 2012, while the two were still married. On January 19, 2012, I learned for the first time that Stephen had been living a secret life, she declared in the official documents, obtained by PEOPLE. In the presence of his therapist, Stephen admitted that he had engaged in a long term pattern of sexually abusing minor children, including sexually molesting three young girls over a decade ago. She goes on to say that she believes Collins has narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies. So go ahead Stevie, you who claim you don't do TM much anymore, go ahead - avoid, deny, defend and ignore - you learned all these behaviors very well at Marshy, King Tony, Bevan and Hagelin's knee. Go ahead, be a Bevan baby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Well, you're right. I'm really not the praying type. I can see that I'm going to have to be more careful in picking the terms I use. I do enjoy it when you sprinkle in some of that dry humor in your responses. More comments below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. I would have better understanding if he was a little more clarifying about his experience. Sympathy is generally worthless as it just imitates someone's suffering or discomfort, or coddles their conditioning, which is what we desire to minimise. CYNIC: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons. I am probably more of a fatalist than a cynic. I am more of a sceptic than a cynic. I think people are motivated by those forces we call laws of nature, and that there is not a real entity in there performing the action. Rather there is an elegant machine with inputs and outputs, and getting the mind of the machine, the processes of the machine to realise it is a machine is of paramount importance for its happiness, satisfaction, and contentment; and from this arises tolerance, compassion, understanding, and with some machines, even sympathy. Ouch, I hadn't meat robot in some time, and here you are bringing it up. Oh well. If one is laid back enough, tolerance is a given. Compassion is recognising a situation for what it is so one can focus on the best possible resolution of difficulties so that the experience of what is, at the very least, most real, opens into experience; this does not necessarily imply any sympathy if it prolongs inconsonate, conditioned behaviour. Understanding requires some input, and there are certain situations where understanding simply cannot be assimilated so one must act in a more cursory fashion, and with probably less satisfactory results. There are many things I do not understand; the world is wide and vast beyond the grasp of the human intellect except in bits and pieces one at a time. If I have no heart, this is the way nature made my mind; you will need the tolerance to accept that for it is not in the power of a fictional entity to change the machine. People assume TM will change all these things, but in practice this does not seem to be the case most of the time, people remain more or less the same. Enlightenment is not about change. It is about what is always the same. Enlightenment does not change these things. Behaviour modification might, but this often does not come about by an act of will but by outside imposition, such as provided by being surrounded by the mores of an organisation or community; and often here, it is just token acceptance, not an actual change. The reason you have all these so-called moral rules in religion, is faith, belief, and even technical practice — ritual, spiritual techniques — does not much alter human nature. Prison tends not to alter human behaviour, and social conventions form a psychological prison that has much the same effectiveness — that is, practically none, for if the stops are removed, all hell breaks loose. So if a person is to be 'good', then probably that body has to be born that way and will flow naturally along those lines of behaviour; and those that are not, well, we see them everyday. Rotten thoughts come from the source of thought, whatever that may be, just as easily as 'good' thoughts. The TMO simply removes those from the roster who fail to conform to the allegedly predicted results of meditation, and hopes nobody notices the change. The higher up in the organisation though, persistence rather than removal seems to be the rule. Would another, deeper awakening result in a looser, more compassionate emotional tenancy for 'me'? It might or it might not; I have no idea; I do not know what remains of and for my life, I just know it goes forward and it has been satisfactory for some time. It is now time for me to sit very quietly for awhile. I do this from habit and it seems to correlate with what I would call improvements in my grasp of life, but from this point on, as it has been for the last decade or so, how that might or might not unfold is a complete mystery to me. I think I am gaining a better appreciation of what enlightenment, or the growth thereof can do in terms of modifying behavior, and yes, I'm not sure if it is much. But having a few mystical
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a malcontent. I think it is just your personality. You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if I recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing. Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, but I suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other situation would arise which would become your wedge issue. Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are in your consolidation period. That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than a couple hours without some reflection of TM. (and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza does to you) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Setting aside the efficacy of those who maintain there are are other beings out there, you don't even have their story straight. You invent a narrative contrary to their position and attempt to discredit it on that basis. You've really developed a bad habit along these lines. Suggestion: Before you go about calling someone else an internet troll, take a look at thyself. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
Easy Barry, easy. Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters. We get your faux outrage. This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM bashing. Other than that, I don't think you give a damn. Settle back down. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Oh My God, we've got *another* TM True Believer trying to make excuses for Stephen Collins on the grounds of misogyny and male privilege. Stephen Collins is 67. If, as your comrade-in-misogyny srijau suggests, the incidents in question happened 20 years ago, that would make him 47 at the time he was molesting an *11-year-old girl*. If it happened *40 years ago*, that would make him 27 as he was molesting the 11-, 12-, and 13-year-olds so far named in the investigation. The fact that YOU (depending on the state you lived in) were possibly willing to violate statutory rape laws and date a 16-year-old is...uh...NOT helping your case. Has TM made you INSANE? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM through the DLF? I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools. And how old is Collins? When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: srijau@... srijau@... the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could have grown quite a large banana with TM long since. Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds with the aggrieved female mind. Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by invoking misogyny. For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Sounds like one of your in your head only analysis. I believe many of the original quantum scientists speculated on a reality beyond what physical science had come up with. I guess those scientists had some ability to move past physicality in a way you are not able. Leading from behind is your tendency, I'm afraid. Safe, but boring, and in your case, a tad arrogant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. You are just going to town. A welcome relief, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a room with a crazy person any longer. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed... Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle. ...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Okay Blue, thanks for the advice. But wasting my life? I think I fall into the Ann camp. I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in others, what he feels are their deficiencies. Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box. A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's. But, I do appreciate the concern. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle Tantra is incorrigible. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. You are just going to town. A welcome relief, I guess. Easy Barry, easy. Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters. We get your faux outrage. This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM bashing. Other than that, I don't think you give a damn. Settle back down. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : -- salyavin808@... wrote: --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... -- salyavin808@... wrote: Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a room with a crazy person any longer. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed... Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle. ...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Well, funny you should mention that. I have found faint level of feeling to be where it's at in terms of personal and spiritual development. I think, when you are in touch with that level, it becomes a real challenge to post things that disparage, or demean others. And yes, I often find Barry's post to fall into that category. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay Blue, thanks for the advice. But wasting my life? I think I fall into the Ann camp. I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in others, what he feels are their deficiencies. Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box. A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's. But, I do appreciate the concern. (-: --- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle Tantra is incorrigible. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. You are just going to town. A welcome relief, I guess. Easy Barry, easy. Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters. We get your faux outrage. This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM bashing. Other than that, I don't think you give a damn. Settle back down. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : -- salyavin808@... wrote: --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... -- salyavin808@... wrote: Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Hey Barry, that was sort of a nice reply. None of that over the top bashing. I can live with that. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because there is the off chance he might say something useful. As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. When the man's right, he's right. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Colloidal silver (Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?)
Hey Jed, I can't speak for the ingestion part of the CS, but I can tell you that topically, it cured a skin condition I had had for about 15 years. I haven't applied it on that spot for about six weeks, and still no sign of re-occurrence. Oh, and it has mitigated the occasional athletes foot by about 90% ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of duality. As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this. Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear. Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day (-: May I know why you are taking that? Did any healer prescribe it to you? fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...
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Monday, Tuesday, WTF? news flash?, we end up embroiled in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with life is this some kind of Xeno cognition? dude, you've been imbibing too much of that cynical kool aid. just settle down. recognize, slowly, if necessary that life is nuanced. people are motivated in different ways. let it play out, okay. no need to preach from on high. we're all grown ups here, even if you may be the eldest. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is what Zen masters call 'selling water by the river'. We end up embroiled in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with life, but the dissatisfaction comes from the way we construe life to be. Life can indeed be horrible, and there are certain things that require courage and fortitude to get through. All that 'enlightenment' brings is the realisation that life is exactly the way it is and no other way, that it was always this way, before and during ones sojourn on 'the path', and that no other way is possible henceforth, and this eliminates seeking behaviour and a particular sort of non-object-oriented fulfilment results because the mind is not spinning its wheels over nonsense. Then you get to live the rest of your life without those pernicious ideas you acquired before and during your spiritual quest. There is still plenty to do or not do, depending on your inclination. To quote the Vedantist James Swartz: 'If you can see that the question of freedom is due to a lack understanding, you will be open to a means of self knowledge. A means of self knowledge does not actually give you self knowledge, because everyone actually does know who they are... Unfortunately, there is usually a lack of clarity about the nature of the self, which impedes the full appreciation of it. This lack of clarity manifests as ill considered beliefs and opinions, particularly the belief that the self is limited. If you expose your mind to a ... means of self knowledge, it will patiently strip away these beliefs and clarity will return. When the last vestige of ignorance is removed, you will realize that you knew who you were all along. You will find it amusing that you went through so much seeking to find out what you already knew You are not getting something you do not have; you simply realize that what you sought so frantically you had all along. Enlightenment should be cause for embarrassment, not jubilation.' The above paragraph assumes that the 'means of self knowledge' will actually work. Sometimes it seems otherwise, especially when one is around spiritual types. It seems to me that 'masters' tend not to hang out together. Fraudulent masters perhaps do not want their con exposed, and real masters, who know what the real con is, really do not have anything to talk about with each other, because there is nothing at the end of the rainbow in this business. You end up where you started, with a net loss. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Kali On? - Continuing on the theme of the changing times...
now I know what I want for Christmas. I never did get my Shmeigal bobble head, but this could make up for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Yow Barry. Good night! Is this your Declaration of Independence, Magna Carta, and Wuthering Height all rolled into one? Barry don't go nuclear. It wouldn't be fair. To threaten someone by putting them on your DNR list! No, Barry, no. That is too severe. Much too severe. Please reconsider. Oh, the humanity, the humanity! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
Favor us Michael, with your TM connection of the day. You know, a fisherman's hook in some lake in South American gets snagged on a rock, as being evidence of Raja Luis failure as a TM administrator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have gotten to the point where I no longer believe what you are saying - there are fat too many long term practitioners of TM and TMSP especially that have mental/emotional/behavioral problems - I think much of it is CAUSED by TM and TMSP From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Mid 1980s. But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit psychotic to begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety here. Remember you are preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even some of the TB'ers have problems with the money issues. On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I quit in 1996. You tell me. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected? On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Youmissed the context. JFK was the last President who was allowed to lead the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted. Go back and look at the election of 1948. Henry Wallace was favored to be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party Convention. Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip. Look it up. On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Hesays a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of course have been dissed here by the cool people. The last real US President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him. Since then every President when they take office gets a come to Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run the US. They tell the President how things are going to be and if they don't follow orders they will be assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried after getting the talk. The best thing for Americans to do is be disobedient, disruptive until the oligarchs and the institutions they run fall. On 10/08/2014 10:01 AM, Duveyoung wrote: If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD. Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU KenO'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not KenO'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant! View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
I think what we see here, and it is rather humorous, is this martyrdom meme he's created. And then threatening someone with putting him on his DNR list. Yes, I do feel some pity. Michael, Michael, step in here. Tell him again how you were launched into ecstasy reading Road Trip. I think he needs a pick me up ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not giving a fig for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, and almost as a martyr, who tries his best to bring The Light to the unwashed masses. He is really quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, Barry was all about being the Coolest Cat on the block. Slowly that has receded, and now all he does is spew endless diatribes against that which he cannot have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk but evidently just as mean sober.
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
you are a hoot Michael. a hoot. you and Barry are really on your muscle today, as my mother in law used to say. hey, at least there is something that motivates you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated for decades. Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and let's see how it falls out. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Your bitterness, and spiritual myopia is showing Sal. You've got to understand, that no matter how much you insist, that people will see things differently than you do. A tough lesson, but you will be happier once you realize it. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst advert for TM! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
I believe you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : snip You are so full of it - I can't wait for the next TM celebrity to get caught with his pants down or the next pundit riot to occur - can't wait for the fallout of Hammond's big event next month. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Favor us Michael, with your TM connection of the day. You know, a fisherman's hook in some lake in South American gets snagged on a rock, as being evidence of Raja Luis failure as a TM administrator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have gotten to the point where I no longer believe what you are saying - there are fat too many long term practitioners of TM and TMSP especially that have mental/emotional/behavioral problems - I think much of it is CAUSED by TM and TMSP From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Mid 1980s. But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit psychotic to begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety here. Remember you are preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even some of the TB'ers have problems with the money issues. On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I quit in 1996. You tell me. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected? On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Youmissed the context. JFK was the last President who was allowed to lead the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted. Go back and look at the election of 1948. Henry Wallace was favored to be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party Convention. Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip. Look it up. On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM Hesays a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of course have been dissed here by the cool people. The last real US President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him. Since then every President when they take office gets a come to Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run the US. They tell the President how things are going to be and if they don't follow orders they will be assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried after getting the talk. The best thing for Americans to do is be disobedient, disruptive until the oligarchs and the institutions they run fall. On 10/08/2014 10:01 AM, Duveyoung wrote: If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD. Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU KenO'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not KenO'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant! View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
It's not readable anymore. Whatever you've written below, it's simply not readable anymore, Barry. Even the reporters aren't interested, I can assure you. If asked, they might say, sure Barry, you tell em, but they've tired of it themselves. What might have been clever at one time, as devolved into just boring ass shit as you might call it. What to tell you? Maybe cycle back to the Crumbs, at this point. I don't know. You tell me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo (fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like me as Jim spends. We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as invisibility and levitation - flying). Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully enlightened being on this forum. But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time obsessing on a lowlife like myself? Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ? That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it? :-) Signed,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Yes, Jedi, a reasoned response. But for Barry to focus on his own issues? Does the snowball in hell analogy come to mind. (but, most brilliant poster here?) can you rein that one back, just a tad. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : Ok, let's deal with YOUR issue here. You called me the 12 year old a couple of days ago. It's these kind of snide remarks that neutralise, all the good points you make, and turns things here sour. If you keep your criticisms impersonal, you would certainly be the most brilliant poster here. (Judy is guilty of this as well). Your constant harping, about you ignoring certain people is a source of irritation. I too ignore quite a lot of people here, but I never mention it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth?
This was perfection Ann! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Startling awake Ann tries to move, can’t, begins to panic in a half dream state. Glancing painfully, slowly over to the glowing clock with pressure growing in her chest she wonders if this might be the last thing she sees - the clock illuminated at 3:15am. But suddenly, there is a small release of pressure, a moan and suddenly she realizes her four dogs surround her on the bedcovers, one of them lying on her chest the others curled around her, hemming her in. With immense relief flowing into the place where fear had resided moments earlier she vows to make a trip to the pound first thing in the morning to see if she might find another little puppy soul in need of rescue - you can’t have too many dogs and the husband can find room on the guest bed if necessary. As it is, he’s in deep shit for all of those nudes he’s been snapping up in the studio above the barn. What, does he think - that she's blind? Those models are young and firm and beautiful - that’s it, she fumes- forget the guest bedroom, he can have the doghouse (yet to be built). 3:15, 3:30, 4:00am and no sleep seems destined to return on this early morning so, in anticipation of catching Barry in some flagrant lie or odious posting, she leaps to her feet scattering the snoozing pooches, and heads to the office and her computer. With eager anticipation Ann studies the screen. FFL exists in her mind as that sacred place where she once again connected with her old cult leader Robin, and who she secretly yearns would allow her to once again sit at his feet and gaze up into his intriguing visage in order to hang on with adoration his every word. Those were the days, if only she could once more be back there with him, in the glow of his consciousness and his charisma. But, Barry must never know this, no one must know this. Just like they must never realize that Ann is secretly planning on attending the Mother Divine course in Fairfield. They must never know that she channels Maharishi while seated in full lotus in front of her shrine to all things TM or that she offers healing sessions using lead-based body painting sessions while yodeling in Yiddish. All of it must remain a secret from her friends at FFL. Dwelling on this, she is unaware that the time has passed so quickly and now it is time to don her overalls and gum boots and head out to do the barn chores. As she picks up the pitch fork and scoops the first large poop pile she can find she sighs and is relieved no one knows the truth - she is only a poop picker- she has never sat on a real horse in her life. Oh, how we can create perfect lives via the internet and most of the time no one will ever find out the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
I think what you are saying Sal, is that you are susceptible to celebrity endorsements. You are looking a little transparent, son. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Should cause some commotion here: http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth 2
Ann, you are on target. This arrow has ripped through the bulls-eye on the target, through the chain link fence behind the target, and impaled a handkerchief that had blown in front a tree. You can skip over me if you want. (-: (-: (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Intro: MJ, Michael J, sometimes taking a razzin’ for having the same moniker as black pop singer Michael Jackson but our white MJ doesn’t care. He has his name and he’s his own man and this Michael, this white MJ is a baker. He has marathon baked, he has filled the bellies of those not fit to scrub his cake pans. Our Michael has slaved over breads that could rival the Taj Mahal in their perfect symmetry and aesthetic appeal. And oh, the taste! The melt-in-your-mouth transcendental experience is famous from the Southern states up into the corn and hog belt of the midwest. Yes, MJ brought confection so sublime to the small town that is home to the mum of all MUMs. But MUM disappointed our mild-mannered baker, she done him wrong, in short - MUM turned out to be a colossal bitch. A day in the life: Michael lets out a guffaw and leans back in his chair wiping the tears from his eyes - tears which are the result of having read one of the best comebacks from Sal and Barry to Steve he has read on FFL. He is feeling good this morning. He has managed to find two articles exposing the chicanery of TM and all who practice it. This first particular article is a doozy; wait until Barry and Sal get a load of this, he thinks - his best find yet. Apparently, according to the article, it was discovered that three residents of Fairfield were found to have gum recession upon visiting their dentist on their semi-annual check up. In addition, one of the three also required a crown. Now this was a goldmine of information and definite proof of TM’s false claims and Maharishi’s lies BECAUSE THE THREE PEOPLE WERE LONG TIME MEDITATORS. The second “find” was almost as good. It seems that in 1976 an TM initiator had left a house he had rented without cleaning the oven and still demanded his deposit back. Now surely the rest of those sycophants at FFL will have to admit that Maharishi was a liar and a fraud, not to mention an old goat. Surely this will prove, without a doubt that I, MJ has been right and am now vindicated. With the SEND button activated and both incriminating pieces of evidence safely posted to his favorite forum, MJ sighs and feels that things are looking up. HIs work, for the moment, is done. He stands to stretch for a moment but a thought strikes him. “What if I am on the no-read” list of the sycophants. He begins to frantically wonder if they might never see what he has posted here. He begins to perspire, he is feeling shaky - all that he thinks should happen may not happen at all. The horror, the waste! All his time, his efforts, his endless hours of pursuit toward what is right and good may go unseen. There is only one thing to do: find others on other forums, on Facebook on his own blog that will read what he has to say, oh, and bake a half dozen cream pies to throw at the pictures of those in the movement who done him wrong. He has them hung all in a neat row; today it will be Boston cream pie for the bastards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth 2
Steve wakes up in the morning. Fortunately after using the bathroom at 4:00, he was able to get back to sleep. It's around 6:20, and wife has been up since 5:30. Okay, let's pull over the computer and see what's going on. Hot damn, business has a decent balance. Don't have to worry about making payroll this week. Even personal account is in a little better shape. Okay, check the obituaries. Most of the parent's friends have passed on, but there's still a few doing okay. Good, no online sympathy notes to write. Let's see FFL. Jesus F'n Christ. It's the ongoing battle! Am I TB today? Evidently so. What day is it! Oh, okay, the 283rd day on Barry's DNR list, and the 35th day on salyavins'. Fortunately, oh god, FORTUNATELY, Michael hasn't taken me off his DNR list.yet. see about more later. K.C. has bases loaded right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ann, you are on target. This arrow has ripped through the bulls-eye on the target, through the chain link fence behind the target, and impaled a handkerchief that had blown in front a tree. You can skip over me if you want. (-: (-: (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Intro: MJ, Michael J, sometimes taking a razzin’ for having the same moniker as black pop singer Michael Jackson but our white MJ doesn’t care. He has his name and he’s his own man and this Michael, this white MJ is a baker. He has marathon baked, he has filled the bellies of those not fit to scrub his cake pans. Our Michael has slaved over breads that could rival the Taj Mahal in their perfect symmetry and aesthetic appeal. And oh, the taste! The melt-in-your-mouth transcendental experience is famous from the Southern states up into the corn and hog belt of the midwest. Yes, MJ brought confection so sublime to the small town that is home to the mum of all MUMs. But MUM disappointed our mild-mannered baker, she done him wrong, in short - MUM turned out to be a colossal bitch. A day in the life: Michael lets out a guffaw and leans back in his chair wiping the tears from his eyes - tears which are the result of having read one of the best comebacks from Sal and Barry to Steve he has read on FFL. He is feeling good this morning. He has managed to find two articles exposing the chicanery of TM and all who practice it. This first particular article is a doozy; wait until Barry and Sal get a load of this, he thinks - his best find yet. Apparently, according to the article, it was discovered that three residents of Fairfield were found to have gum recession upon visiting their dentist on their semi-annual check up. In addition, one of the three also required a crown. Now this was a goldmine of information and definite proof of TM’s false claims and Maharishi’s lies BECAUSE THE THREE PEOPLE WERE LONG TIME MEDITATORS. The second “find” was almost as good. It seems that in 1976 an TM initiator had left a house he had rented without cleaning the oven and still demanded his deposit back. Now surely the rest of those sycophants at FFL will have to admit that Maharishi was a liar and a fraud, not to mention an old goat. Surely this will prove, without a doubt that I, MJ has been right and am now vindicated. With the SEND button activated and both incriminating pieces of evidence safely posted to his favorite forum, MJ sighs and feels that things are looking up. HIs work, for the moment, is done. He stands to stretch for a moment but a thought strikes him. “What if I am on the no-read” list of the sycophants. He begins to frantically wonder if they might never see what he has posted here. He begins to perspire, he is feeling shaky - all that he thinks should happen may not happen at all. The horror, the waste! All his time, his efforts, his endless hours of pursuit toward what is right and good may go unseen. There is only one thing to do: find others on other forums, on Facebook on his own blog that will read what he has to say, oh, and bake a half dozen cream pies to throw at the pictures of those in the movement who done him wrong. He has them hung all in a neat row; today it will be Boston cream pie for the bastards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth 3
Another direct hit, Ann. That GPS is unerringly finding its target. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Intro: Delta Dawn, Dr Dumbass, Fleetwood; whatever the handle, the infinite reality of consciousness remains the same. The outside might reflect one thing but the inside is unmoving and is untouched by whether the mortal coil wears stilettos or a stethoscope. This is a being who doesn’t let gender, age, hair color or chosen profession overshadow the profound nature of what lies beneath or within. This is a (wo)man for all seasons, someone undeterred by doubters; a being in trousers or skirt who is just as willing to peruse the lingerie aisle as the check out the drills and band saws in aisle 6. But with diversity amid the unchanging lies the sad fact that others will seek to undermine, to mock and yet, what does our hero(ine) do? We will see shortly… A day in the life: The coyotes have run amuck. Deer tracks trace their cloven way this way and that over the sand and coarse grasses indicating general confusion amid the fear. Mac is anxious to check the photos from the night before. Surely there will be some worthwhile images of startled eyes, graceful limbs and perhaps a coyote and deer together in one lucky image. But first, there is a song to finish recording, the sixth this week then a download and voila, a full shelf of recorded music to access when the mood takes him. Whether composing or listening to the fruits of his labors, it all works. Oh wait, there’s an impulse to check out the niggling feeling to log onto FFL. One must never ignore the finer impulses, they are often the important ones so Mac glides over to his work station which houses his paints, recording equipment and computer (dodging the laden mantel piece overflowing with trophies and ducking under the myriad gold stars hanging from an artistic installation from his ceiling) and types the magic letters that will allow him access to FFL. But first he is overcome with waves of anticipation, with pervasive awareness of all that has been, all that is and all that is yet to come. It all blends together in a kind of simultaneous timelessness infused with a richness that he is faintly aware he wished Barry could experience. Shaking his head gently, he proceeds to move his attention to the screen. And there it is - the shadows of characters barely formed. Like struggling newborns or underdeveloped fetuses the energy of those participating on FFL reach out their tentacles of ignorance toward his intelligence which takes it all in with wonder and with a certain empathy. But take it in he does and with the skill inherent in those with access to the finer impulses of life he molds and deflects - sometimes with humor and sometimes with a kind of divine wrath. All the while this is happening he is getting an idea for his next painting, his next garden layout, his next musical creation. Wandering away from the computer and the clamoring “noise that wants to follow him like a swarm of grumpy wasps Mac finds himself drawn to the sunset just settling over the rocks, the sage, the tall grasses. As he breathes it all in, through his nose, his eyes, his very skin he thinks of Leiden, of Victoria, of Fairfield, the deep south (including Texas), San Francisco and even England and he imagines who he might be next time in his next reincarnation at FFL and who it will piss off and who will welcome it and why it might be so.
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students,
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. So, let me get this straight. The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo. (or so you say). We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda. The same diatribe you pour out several times a day. But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial truth statement about same organization. Believe me. I know that makes sense to you. But, ...what was it you were saying about mental problems? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some
Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
It is an opinion, not a statement of fact when you state what you do about the NIH. They are different things - opinions and facts, I'm sure you know. Or if you don't, it might be a good place for you to start when trying to sort things out. Good luck! Let me know if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its advanced programs and don't teach it anymore. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. So, let me get this straight. The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo. (or so you say). We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda. The same diatribe you pour out several times a day. But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial truth statement about same organization. Believe me. I know that makes sense to you. But, ...what was it you were saying about mental problems? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning
As usual Feste, you succinctly express the truth of the situation. And, no, he does not have anything better to do, or seemingly anything else to do for that matter. And in that way, he is a somewhat fascinating study, as sad as it is. I know little about his childhood other than what he has written here, but I am still offering the theory that his failure as a channel has contributed to the never ending bitterness he has towards the TM organization and its founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I don't think he realizes that he repeats himself constantly in this regard. But that is something in common he shares with others here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Now that Ann has posted her parody of you, MJ, it's going to be increasingly hard to tell the parody from the real thing. Read the article again. Doug Henning found true love at MIU, and that can't be bad. OK, so he couldn't act or sing, but are you aware of any TM literature that says that if you learn TM, you will become a good actor and singer? Your method is both simple and dumb: find the name of a celebrity who does/did TM, find ways to denigrate him professionally and personally, and then claim you have proved that TM doesn't work. Haven't you anything better to do? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I always liked Henning's magic performances, met him once at MIU and got his autograph on one of his posters for my mother who just adored him. Ran across this old article about him and couldn't help but note the lack of age of Enlightenment fulfillment it speaks of for him - lonely, sad, divorces - not exactly an ideal society life seems to me. Just another pointer to what a fraud TM is: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html After Falling Under the Spell of Wife Debby, Doug Hennin... http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html Facebook Twitter View on www.people.com http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html Preview by Yahoo After reading the article I looked up any reference to his Merlin musical and here is what I read: The show was not a critical or financial success and is remembered today chiefly because of the number of preview performances it played: while most shows play a month or so prior to inviting critics and having an official opening, Merlin had 69, never inviting the critics and postponing the opening three times, despite charging full ticket prices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_%28musical%29#cite_note-1 During the musical's troubled tryouts, the original director (Frank Dunlop) was replaced by Co-Producer Reitman and choreographer Billy Wilson was added. The tune for the song Put a Little Magic in Your Life had previously supported a different lyric: These Are Not the Merriest of Days. Also: When the show went into previews, there were many technical problems, and the opening date was cancelled three times. The New York critics decided enough was enough, and went to review it before it's official opening date. They universally hated it. Henning couldn't act or sing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning
psst, Michael, Feste doesn't do the TMSP. Sorry about that. Now, before you suffer another major episode of cognitive dissonance, go outside and get some fresh air. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Didn't read Ann's parody of me but I am glad that someone who walked away from your much vaunted school to follow a charismatic crazy cult leader pleases you with her writing. And you like Steve the Willy Tex Clone, Willy Tex himself and Danny Boy all have reading comprehension problems. You are looking to find fault with whatever I say if it doesn't praise Marshy the Liar and Fraud, his slavish lieutenants and their university that has existed to turn the minds of intelligent young students into mush through force feeding them Hindu based superstitions. I said very clearly that I liked Henning both personally and professionally and I do. But if you read the article, it shows that he was unhappy in much of his life where he was ALREADY doing TM and TMSP - and that his big musical that the Movement made such a fuss about was a flop. Like I said, its not about Henning, but the fraud and fake that is TM. Also, to reiterate since you don't seem to read or understand well, I said nothing whatsoever to denigrate Henning either personally or professionally. If you would stop doing TMSP and get professional help, you MIGHT in a few years be able to reverse the damage and intelligence atrophy you have suffered from so many years of TMSP - and by the way, if any of your TM buddies in Fairfield see the damage and begin to lead you to their basement to help you pacify your vata, don't go - run as fast as you can. You inspire me to definitely finish my piece entitled A Day in the Life. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning Now that Ann has posted her parody of you, MJ, it's going to be increasingly hard to tell the parody from the real thing. Read the article again. Doug Henning found true love at MIU, and that can't be bad. OK, so he couldn't act or sing, but are you aware of any TM literature that says that if you learn TM, you will become a good actor and singer? Your method is both simple and dumb: find the name of a celebrity who does/did TM, find ways to denigrate him professionally and personally, and then claim you have proved that TM doesn't work. Haven't you anything better to do? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I always liked Henning's magic performances, met him once at MIU and got his autograph on one of his posters for my mother who just adored him. Ran across this old article about him and couldn't help but note the lack of age of Enlightenment fulfillment it speaks of for him - lonely, sad, divorces - not exactly an ideal society life seems to me. Just another pointer to what a fraud TM is: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html After Falling Under the Spell of Wife Debby, Doug Hennin... http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html Facebook Twitter View on www.people.com http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083832,00.html Preview by Yahoo After reading the article I looked up any reference to his Merlin musical and here is what I read: The show was not a critical or financial success and is remembered today chiefly because of the number of preview performances it played: while most shows play a month or so prior to inviting critics and having an official opening, Merlin had 69, never inviting the critics and postponing the opening three times, despite charging full ticket prices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_%28musical%29#cite_note-1 During the musical's troubled tryouts, the original director (Frank Dunlop) was replaced by Co-Producer Reitman and choreographer Billy Wilson was added. The tune for the song Put a Little Magic in Your Life had previously supported a different lyric: These Are Not the Merriest of Days. Also: When the show went into previews, there were many technical problems, and the opening date was cancelled three times. The New York critics decided enough was enough, and went to review it before it's official opening date. They universally hated it. Henning couldn't act or sing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
Michael, you are cuckoo. Give you brain a rest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That's a powerful statement - wonder how long it'll take Share, Steve and Feste to say no such cop/TMer incident happened? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11 Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false flag for 9-11. What a bunch of blinkered fools we are. Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a crack and admit one thing: the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any form upon anyone no matter the legal framework. Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin someone's life. And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand that is just AS BAD. Case in point: I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other officers. Not a headline. (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public. No charges, let the guy go the next day.) But see? This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga. Even our heroes will be found to be tilted in this age. Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the legal requirements during the murder at MUM. Those were saints, right? Even inside them was the I get to do whatever shit I want to dynamic. Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money laundering and smuggling, etc. I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere. Give someone a gun and they're looking for game cuz they're on safari, donchaknow. To sum: how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside a 9-11 tower? Almost any cop, any soldier. Deal with this fact. It's the truth. Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth 4
Ann, you don't miss anything. Kudos to a well nuanced, humorous account!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Steve rubs his eyes and focuses on the wall opposite his bed. There is a dark square where the picture of Barry used to hang. Now, in its absence, the paint beneath where the picture hung is still fresh - no longer matches the rest of the wall. That dark square reminds him of the cool dude that used to be. But there have recently been too many repetitive posts, too many screeds that sound stifled and stilted and predictable. So, the picture had to go. Steve has folded it away and laid it in the old trunk where things he no longer looks at are stored. It is the ‘dead picture’ trunk, the place he no longer accesses, the ‘dead letter box’ where old photos will eventually turn to dust. He doesn’t quite have the heart to actually throw the image out, Steve isn’t unfeeling like that, but for the foreseeable future he can not imagine himself reinstating Barry’s face to his wall. (His wife will soon find another image to cover the unattractive empty spot. It will be a poster-sized blow up of the picture Steve has of himself and the Three Stooges taken when he was a young lad. This will be his birthday gift and he will be surprised and moved by her gesture of love.) Arising from the bed, Steve thinks of his business, reflects on his children’s future and briefly considers catching a quick 20 minute meditation for old time’s sake. He decides against it and opts for 30 pushups instead; my, how times have changed. Feeling invigorated Steve ambles over to the computer, able to squeeze in 20 minutes before he has to leave for work. Checking on the nocturnal rustlings of the folks at FFL he brings his fist down on the table just hard enough to make a sound but loud enough to make an impression to suit what he is feeling. MJ has met all expectations. Two articles: one on the gum recession and necessary crown of three current meditators and one article on the dirty oven fiasco of the renting meditator back in the 70’s. Christ! Mary mother of God! He just has to reply and reply he does, only to be answered by MJ so quickly that Steve thinks he is sitting by his computer waiting to pounce. There is a counter response and the two billy goats butt heads for a good 15 minutes resulting in a stalemate. Both go away with a headache but Steve forgets about it all as he climbs into his car on his way to work. For the next 10 hours he will not have a moment to think about FFL but there will be plenty of late-night responses Steve will feel compelled to make - compelled because it is the source of the biggest laughs he’ll have all day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We aren't rattlesnake virgins, in paradise, anymore
That cool Jim. Just glad she happened to see him. Yes, employ whatever communication skills you might have to set the boundaries, and hope it works. We get snakes in our backyard periodically. Non venemous. I will sometimes pick them up by their tail end and move them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Has a biblical ring to it, huh?... My wife found the snake (western diamondback?) on the patio, next to the house, this evening. I hosed him off, into nearby shrubs. I'd rather make it really uncomfortable, so he doesn't come back, vs. killing him, and getting that whole cycle going... it is a lost cause to have an antagonistic relationship with the animals here, but I have no problem establishing my boundaries. You can see two or three rattles in the picture, he's about a foot long -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Parody or Truth 4
Yes, Moe, Larry and Curly. Also, one with the Lone Ranger, and some early wrestlers, before the WWE era. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I forgot about the Stooges picture! I am so jealous! Managed to catch part of 'The 3 Stooges Meet Hercules', on TV recently - have the DVD, too, and '3 Stooges Go Around The World In A Daze'. Larry was my fave, Moe was too mean, and Curly was a little too vacant. Larry was just pure Stooge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Steve rubs his eyes and focuses on the wall opposite his bed. There is a dark square where the picture of Barry used to hang. Now, in its absence, the paint beneath where the picture hung is still fresh - no longer matches the rest of the wall. That dark square reminds him of the cool dude that used to be. But there have recently been too many repetitive posts, too many screeds that sound stifled and stilted and predictable. So, the picture had to go. Steve has folded it away and laid it in the old trunk where things he no longer looks at are stored. It is the ‘dead picture’ trunk, the place he no longer accesses, the ‘dead letter box’ where old photos will eventually turn to dust. He doesn’t quite have the heart to actually throw the image out, Steve isn’t unfeeling like that, but for the foreseeable future he can not imagine himself reinstating Barry’s face to his wall. (His wife will soon find another image to cover the unattractive empty spot. It will be a poster-sized blow up of the picture Steve has of himself and the Three Stooges taken when he was a young lad. This will be his birthday gift and he will be surprised and moved by her gesture of love.) Arising from the bed, Steve thinks of his business, reflects on his children’s future and briefly considers catching a quick 20 minute meditation for old time’s sake. He decides against it and opts for 30 pushups instead; my, how times have changed. Feeling invigorated Steve ambles over to the computer, able to squeeze in 20 minutes before he has to leave for work. Checking on the nocturnal rustlings of the folks at FFL he brings his fist down on the table just hard enough to make a sound but loud enough to make an impression to suit what he is feeling. MJ has met all expectations. Two articles: one on the gum recession and necessary crown of three current meditators and one article on the dirty oven fiasco of the renting meditator back in the 70’s. Christ! Mary mother of God! He just has to reply and reply he does, only to be answered by MJ so quickly that Steve thinks he is sitting by his computer waiting to pounce. There is a counter response and the two billy goats butt heads for a good 15 minutes resulting in a stalemate. Both go away with a headache but Steve forgets about it all as he climbs into his car on his way to work. For the next 10 hours he will not have a moment to think about FFL but there will be plenty of late-night responses Steve will feel compelled to make - compelled because it is the source of the biggest laughs he’ll have all day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 9/11 Points and Counterpoints
Yes, recommend Lunchbox as well. Auntie ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Bhairitu asked What dog do you have in this anyway? A check from Langley? I applied, stating my sole purpose was to meet Carrie Mathison. Oddly, I never heard back. However, now with your implied endorsement, I am sure that they will welcome me with open arms. (of one variety or another). By the way, Carrie's nemesis this season as station chief in Pakistan is Nimrat Kaur who starred in The Lunchbox (set in India). . I recommend the film. I found it gracefully captured subtle and nuanced, ebbs and flows of life. Its humor was kept low key and charming. Well acted and directed. I thought she was exceptional in her understated conveyance of quiet emotional depth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Traditional Practices and Evolutionary Advantage
Yea, maybe it's like how people get obsessed with things. Look, everyone here is a fan of science. We get it. But, we don't then discard our intuition or personal experience with something, just because we don't have a scientific study to verify it. Okay, maybe I am exaggerating a tad, but we really see here, some, who throw out a lot of useful data compiled by our own experience just because it doesn't conform to what they consider proper scientific verification. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Bhairitu said: Science knows shit about tantra and mantra shastra. You're looking the wrong way. My post was not looking to science to validate tantra or mantra shastra or any traditional knowledge. Just the opposite. My point was a statement of disagreement with the claim of rationalists that traditional knowledge consists of only primitive superstitions with no foundation (I include a vast array of practices, rituals, ceremonies, points of view, customs, processes, lifestyles, diets, medicine, exercise, meditation, yoga, chanting, sound, cosmologies,observed correlations (beyond the spurious), assumptions about causal factors, etc, across many cultures in the term traditional knowledge). Traditional knowledge has generally undergone a series of vast duration longitudinal studies with literally life and death consequences (for individuals and entire cultures). Nothing in the social or medical sciences have or are able to do anything remotely similar. It is a different type, yet in my view quite valid form of research. That which actually works survives as do the cultures that maintain and practice it. Thus, it is my view that traditional knowledge in many forms already have some proven value. Based on ones needs, inclinations, and resources many forms of traditional knowledge are quite worthy of personal investigation and experimentation -- that is, does it work for me, does it bring positive value to my life (and others. Science is like a hammer. Very effective, but it can only hit nails -- and it looks for nails to hit -- a small subset of worthy areas of investigation. That is, its tools and methods are not yet capable of meaningfully studying many aspects of traditional knowledge -- though certainly some useful progress has been made. For example, the 1000's of studies on traditional herbs. While only a subset are double blind, placebo based studies of significant sample size, a lot of fascinating understanding has been uncovered. And such studies at imply that there is some there, there.to traditional herbs and more broadly -- though more indirectly make other forms of traditional knowledge more plausible -- at least worthy of investigation. The advances in brain and cognitive science and related fields over the past 10 years has been startling. And the progress in methodologies, analysis, imaging and other technologies, appears to be accelerating. Over the next 10-20 years, many forms of traditional knowledge may be able to be better investigated by science -- enhancing both science and the traditions and cultures that maintain and teach traditional knowledge. But no need to wait for scads of peer reviewed double blind placebo studies to begin personal experimentation and validation of many forms of traditional knowledge. Really nice post.
Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch
So, in other words, he didn't use it for David Lynch's smoking. You just made that up. And who cares if he smokes anyway. It is akin, in my mind, to what one chooses to eat. Has little to do with one's internal state. I don't know about heavy alcohol use, or drug use. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : C'mon! They didn't really claim Lynch's smoking is his self referral?? Of course they did! The statement means nothing so it can be co-opted to support anything you like. I had it explained to me by our raja, he said that what you do is close your eyes and look inwards at your self and it will tell you if something is right. I always that that was called desire or even just agreeing with yourself and didn't know why the TMO gave it a special name but it's like that with a lot of kooky spiritual stuff, makes them think they have better life skills than the rest of us. The example he used on me was astrology, when I told I thought it was a crock he said he wondered about it too until he looked at his self and found he agreed with himself. (?) Maybe we should do that with 9/11 conspiracies and see how the self guides us. LOL. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : He'd probably weigh over 300 pounds if he quit both. I think Bevan Morris should get back on the fags then, and Hagelin is looking a but chubby these days. I can just see them on the Marshy channel stubbing one out in an ashtray and swigging back the dregs of a 'cino before puja. It's vedic, they'll cough. They had to find a way of excusing Lynchees habits, so they claimed it was self-referral. Like that explains anything at all. He is probably typical American pitta-kapha and kapha dominant too much of the time. Those two substances are known in ayurveda to reduce kapha. My late tantra guru probably would not have have died of congestive heart failure if he had not quit smoking. He immediately put on weight when he quit. I also think that people who are kapha will be less likely get emphysema from smoking as that tends to happen more with vata types. Creative people often fight with having a creative mindset and being able to act on it. For instance a lot of jazz musicians were bright people who easily learned their instruments and music theory but a bit too high strung to play well without some help from drugs (or some meditation). On 10/11/2014 11:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I must have a very high tolerance for caffeine, he says. I always associated smoking and drinking coffee with the art life. They go hand in hand. There's something about drinking coffee and smoking that makes me happy and facilitates thinking. I just really love those things. - David Lynch
Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch
you better set Michael straight, Sal, and Barry too, for that matter. they are both under the impression that TM is, like, totally ineffective, baby meditation. but here you are describing it as a strong gateway drug heaven help us! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Appreciate you sharing the story. It serves to illustrate what total complete assholes the Movement is made of and what incredibly stupid mentality is encouraged and taught in the Movement. And these are the people who want to teach our kids meditation in schools? No thanks. I think it's quite sweet how they believe this stuff just because Marshy said so, and then go around claiming nature support and other bizarre powers. But every religion has its own little language and way of deluding themselves, I could live among them only because they tell you during the teaching process that you don't have to change your beliefs. I held them to it, and they didn't like me reminding them, apparently I was supposed to have absorbed the teaching by the time I was a well practised siddha. How we all laughed I agree with you about schools though, I've no objection to kids learning to meditate but TM is such a strong gateway drug it's easy to get swept up in the hyperbole, and if you show any sort of keenness that gets put on the database and you get invited to donate to pundits and yagyas and all that bull. Some of them will even end up bouncing around on their backsides for hours every day. Keep religion out of schools. That's what I say. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : C'mon! They didn't really claim Lynch's smoking is his self referral?? Of course they did! The statement means nothing so it can be co-opted to support anything you like. I had it explained to me by our raja, he said that what you do is close your eyes and look inwards at your self and it will tell you if something is right. I always that that was called desire or even just agreeing with yourself and didn't know why the TMO gave it a special name but it's like that with a lot of kooky spiritual stuff, makes them think they have better life skills than the rest of us. The example he used on me was astrology, when I told I thought it was a crock he said he wondered about it too until he looked at his self and found he agreed with himself. (?) Maybe we should do that with 9/11 conspiracies and see how the self guides us. LOL. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : He'd probably weigh over 300 pounds if he quit both. I think Bevan Morris should get back on the fags then, and Hagelin is looking a but chubby these days. I can just see them on the Marshy channel stubbing one out in an ashtray and swigging back the dregs of a 'cino before puja. It's vedic, they'll cough. They had to find a way of excusing Lynchees habits, so they claimed it was self-referral. Like that explains anything at all. He is probably typical American pitta-kapha and kapha dominant too much of the time. Those two substances are known in ayurveda to reduce kapha. My late tantra guru probably would not have have died of congestive heart failure if he had not quit smoking. He immediately put on weight when he quit. I also think that people who are kapha will be less likely get emphysema from smoking as that tends to happen more with vata types. Creative people often fight with having a creative mindset and being able to act on it. For instance a lot of jazz musicians were bright people who easily learned their instruments and music theory but a bit too high strung to play well without some help from drugs (or some meditation). On 10/11/2014 11:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I must have a very high tolerance for caffeine, he says. I always associated smoking and drinking coffee with the art life. They go hand in hand. There's something about drinking coffee and smoking that makes me happy and facilitates thinking. I just really love those things. - David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turn up, tune out and drop one.
sal, please re-visit it yourself. it could help with this rut you've sort of fallen into. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Get tripping Fairfield, it could be the answer to your problems: Is it Time to Legalize Psychedelic Medicines for Therapeutic Use? http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html Is it Time to Legalize Psychedelic Medicines for ... http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html The media has been buzzing all year about the healing potential of psychedelic medicines. With a plethora of new research… View on themindunleashed.org http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sophisticated Pre-Columbian Native American Civilizations and Cultures
there is business establishment I visit nearly every week, and so drive by the Cahokia Mounds on that trip. Sometimes my daughter is with me, and we will climb it for a bit of exercise. If I go on the weekend, as the road there is populated by Hispanic eateries and stores, I will sometimes stop and get something to eat. On Saturdays, there is a guy who sells trays of fresh fruit, and I always stop and get one. Fresh mango, watermelon, honeydew, pineapple and some other fruits. Those are the fruits I get plus a few pieces of cucumber. I tell him I want salt, only on the cucumbers and lime juice on the rest. Sometimes he forgets. Yesterday it was lime juice on everything. What I still can't get over, is the toppings the Hispanics go for. Almost in every case they get cayenne pepper on the fruit, and sometimes I think even ketchup. Or maybe it is a sweet syrup. Trying to figure that one out. I'm always trying to pick up some vibe when I drive by the mounds, or climb up, but so far nothing has registered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Native American Cahokia Mounds Near St Louis http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaM... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg View on www.legendsofameric... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg Preview by Yahoo Description: Cahokia was the largest and most influential urban settlement in the Mississippian culture which developed advanced societies across much of what is now the central and southeastern United States, beginning more than 500 years before European contact. Cahokia was the largest urban center north of the great Mesoamerican cities in Mexico. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg Location: Cahokia is located on the site of a pre-Columbian Native American city (c. 600–1400 CE) situated directly across the Mississippi River from modern St. Louis, Missouri. The existing park covers about 3.5 square miles, and contains about 80 mounds, but the ancient city was actually much larger. At its peak, Cahokia covered about six square miles and included about 120 human-made earthen mounds in a wide range of sizes, shapes, and functions. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg View on 4.bp.blogspot.com http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg Preview by Yahoo Population: Cahokia's population at its peak in the 1200s would not be surpassed by any city in the United States until the late 18th century. Although it was home to only about 1,000 people before c. 1050, its population grew explosively after that date. Archaeologists estimate the city's population at between 6,000 and 40,000 at its peak, with more people living in outlying farming villages that supplied the main urban center. If the highest population estimates are correct, Cahokia was larger than any subsequent city in the United States until the 1780s, when Philadelphia's population grew beyond 40,000. Age: Although there is some evidence of Late Archaic period (approximately 1200 BCE) occupation in and around the site,[6] Cahokia as it is now defined was settled around 1200 CE during the Late Woodland period. Metallurgy: 1950s by archaeologist Greg Perino found the only known copper workshop to be found at a Mississippian site. The area contains the remains of three tree stumps thought to have been used to hold anvil stones. Analysis of copper found during excavations showed that it had been annealed, a technique involving repeatedly heating and cooling the metal as it is worked, such as blacksmiths do with iron. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaM... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg View on www.legendsofameric... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sophisticated Pre-Columbian Native American Civilizations and Cultures
What to do? There is even structure there called Moundhenge that was made during the harmonic convergence, I believe. I drive past that as well. Now, I will admit, that the other day, I went off a side road right next to the main mound to see if there was a place I could park and maybe hunt around for some artifacts. Yes, I admit it. But, I couldn't really find a place where I could hide my car. Now, I could just park in the mound area parking lot, and walk around to the forested area behind it, but I just haven't gotten around to doing that yet. But, the last time my daughter and I went, it was at sunset, and it was pretty nice. Of course there was a man up there doing some kind of strange ritual, who seemed bothered by our presence. I think he must have been Native American in some respect, although you wouldn't have known it by looking at him. The Cahokia Mounds Museum and Interactive Center right across the road is pretty neat. I've been there several times. And of course, St. Louis still carries the nickname, Mound City because of all the mounds in its vicinity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/12/2014 7:15 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm always trying to pick up some vibe when I drive by the mounds, or climb up, but so far nothing has registered. Stupas all over the place! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Duped into thinking you could fly?
I'm sure you'll have your hand out. Gimme! Gimme! And we can watch you, declaring how you are doing this strictly in the public interest! Sad isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think they should also be sued for encouraging littering! I tried one of these energy drinks once, never again. I was frothing at the mouth and babbling all night. Highly speedy. I can't believe they are legal for adults let alone children, and some people knock them back like I drink water! I think a class action suit against the TMO would be workable and lucrative because it's actually taught that the TMSP develops paranormal powers (the clue is in the name) and they even publish scientific lectures about how it works to entice the unwary into thinking there's a physical basis for it all. Given the amount of time I spent doing it when I could have been earning a decent crust, I would say that a round figure of £1 million ought to ease the pain of still being held to the ground by gravity. I might want an extra million to compensate me for the embarrassment of having to admit I fell for it too. Now we can watch the TB's claiming they only learnt for self improvement reasons and don;t care that they never developed any magical powers. Insert spluttering protests here: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Did you fall for the hype about being able to levitate? Are you angry about the cash you lost chasing that dream of flying? Do your friends and acquaintances now laugh at you for being so credulous? Good news! You may be entitled to compensation. Energy drink Red Bull settled two class-action lawsuits this week, agreeing to pay $13 million because their famous slogan 'Red Bull gives you wings' isn't true. Anyone who bought a drink from January 1, 2002 to October 3, 2014 is eligible to receive a $10 cash payment - regardless of whether there was a receipt for proof. Here's one of the ads they ran. If people can now sue for such obviously idiotic claims it only goes to show what a dumbed-down society we are living in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31dg86OmuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31dg86OmuM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Can someone help me with this? Has Barry moved towards the Michael mindset, or has Michael inched up towards the TB mindset. At any rate, they have become absofuckingly indistinquishable from another. Two TM Obsessives who positively live off whatever what is going on with TM. Or, would feed off, be a better phrase. What Barry doesn't realize, when he pines for Marek and Curtis, and (yes, pines away is the right term), is that evidently they do have other interests. You know, the comment Barry often throws out when referring to people he considers TBers, people who have no other lives other than TM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Barry, I'm not sure when you decided to skew everything in such a way to cast a negative light on the TM organization. I think there was a time when you felt as though you could engage in discourse that wasn't 100% agenda. Oh wait, FLASH. The arrival of your acolyte, one Mr. Michael Jackson. Nevermind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
It sounds like you really got suckered into this enlightenment thing. TM, if anything is a path for those seeking something. You see a teacher, who has something that sounds interesting. You listen to what he, or she says, and decide if you want to take the next step. There is a goal discussed, not only by the teacher, but in different texts, and described in similar fashion by other teachers. I don't think anyone, perhaps other than Barry, took this 5-7 years as some hard and fast promise. If the teacher exaggerated in this regard, then you can hold it against him, and leave. And then from that point on, call anyone else who remains, a True Believer, a cult apologist, a sycophant. Or you take a more mature view, and realize, that you are on the path, and that is pretty cool, and you notice a deepening of your experience over time, along the lines of what the teacher said were milestones along this path. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. **It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Michael, let me try to clue you in, since you are so fuckin' dense. (pardon my language) There is sometimes a cycle to things. Like grief, for example. Or disbelief for example. Somethings create a bit of stir at first, and then they fade. What would be the exceptions to this? People who obsess about things, and are not able to let go. Or people with an agenda that is impervious to common sense, or who remain locked in to a point of view. Think on it. Maybe pray on it. Some wisdom may sink in. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, Feste? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
sort of a funny comment below, Barry. again, I think it misses the mark, but if that's the way you see it... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
hey, you are doing a good job, (in your mind, at least) if that is your goal. the thought occurred to me, MJ, that you, like others, may have had the situation where the battery on your cell phone seems to run out of juice too soon. You check it out, and find that you have too many apps or features running which use up all the power. so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : part of what I do with my life is tell the unvarnished truth about liar Marshy and his cons, rather than whitewash and sugar coat the facts about who and what he was and what his very unpleasant legacy is. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Michael, I hope you find the Cinderella story you are so desperately seeking. Until then, spend your time on the bashing. I guess another word for self medication. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : there is no such thing Share - we are just a lot of people who aren't afraid to see the truth and to speak it out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
in your case, you've got it backwards. good luck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you wind up doing is wallowing in the manure and calling it flowers From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ, I prefer to focus on what's beneficial and leave the rest. I believe in dealing with negativity as efficiently as possible rather than wallowing in it. I think wallowing in negativity leads to more of the same, including lack of good health. Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: and then he canceled the TM teachers ATR credit, asked for millions to save the world but spent it on himself and screwed a lot of women telling them it was alright but not to tell - and you continue to simper and gush. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails; class=ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-element When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
That is so cool Marty. I like that science. Clean. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
the gift that keeps on giving. this from the guy who bragged in detail about all the celestial and refined experiences he had with his practice of TM Yoohoo, Oh, Lurking Reporters. Get ello of of this. A couple months ago, this Mr. Michael Jackson felt the need to trump everyone here with all the great experiences he had as a result of his practice. When it was politely pointed out to him, that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth, he said, hold on, give me time to come up with a reply, and a couple days later, we were treated to the most idiotic retraction you could possibly imagine. This guy is a piece of work. Cult mentality at work? Study this one! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded. I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way things are. I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world. When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I don't think salyavin is much willing to speculate beyond what hard science has found. Certainly the safest way to proceed, but not really how big discoveries are made. his prerogative of course. on the other hand, he will be a big booster once something is ascertained. (leading from behind) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I think Barry would be the first to tell you that ancient texts are basically, a bunch of rubbish, with little or no value. quite a shame I'd say. I find them fascinating, and have helped me immensely, in what I'd call my spiritual journey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
son, throw in a bit of a more direct TM angle, and you will find the time. you'll likely drop whatever you are doing for a good two or three post run. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
nice solid research meant to say ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within themselves - the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at a distance is no more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others. How can that be? If we had some evidence that it worked all we'd have to do is work out how - which would require a complete re-write of everything we think we know - but we don't have any decent evidence yet which is why it's goo we'll soon have 50,000 to point at and say why isn't it working then? About. Unless it does work in which case we'll be too happy to care.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Beautiful, beautiful. Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it. Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the bash. I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part towards Barry. Hey, I was fond of Barry too. Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him. But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in. Still collecting evidence? Methinks, something else at work here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Ha!! (picture gold star below) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : 100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue as to your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as three Mother Teresas, in drag. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
make that three stars! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I don't know Ann. I guess there are different ways to approach it. Maybe one way to look at it, at least for me, is, I've gotten benefits from it. I've enjoyed group meditations. I've enjoyed the flying in a large group. Maybe there is a bigger payoff. Maybe not. If so, that would be a freebie. By the way, I do happen to believe that a large group meditating does generate a wave of positivity. What kind of effect it might have? Can't say. Why there is not a more demonstrable effect, say in FF? Can't say. Like I said. It worked for me. To answer MIchael's rote, question, If it were so good, why don't you do it regularly, I say,the path people are on can change over time. Do I expect Michael to understand that? Not a chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
And he's off! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM You have finally gotten it right Mac. The Marshy Effect IS the hallmark of Marshy's teaching and is the hallmark of the core of the Movement itself. A bogus, made up nonsensical piece of information that Marshy or one of his sycophants made up, purely to take attention off the fact that no one was getting enlightened doing TMSP, and the Old Goat needed a red herring to turn peoples attention away from the truth and give him a reason to ask for many more tens of millions of dollars to save the world through creating the Marshy Effect. You nailed it! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM. Maharishi wanted us to begin to hear, that his ultimate goal was world peace. No, science cannot possibly measure anything like that - not that it matters. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within themselves - the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at a distance is no more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about breaking down self imposed boundaries It's supposed to be what happens when meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others. That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe that is my problem. I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, they don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence yet, a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but there's no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a blank they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. That's what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a long time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison d'etre. I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)
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He's hit a bunt, which is the best he's done so far, and running to first just as fast as his little legs will carry him! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT
and he's rounding first on his way to second, but has fallen down on the way. the crowd is getting a pretty laugh, but this is serious business for him, so he makes a dramatic slide, even thought there was no play. calls for a time out to dust himself off, and waves to the crowd who he thinks are praising him, when actually they are having a good laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. I would have to say it is unfortunate that the Movement itself has engendered a mind set that creates such gullibility inthe awareness of the TM'ers of the community and the world at large AND the Movement itself is guilty of the exact same kind of fraud they are alleging this man is guilty of. It may be the Big Boys of the TMO are afraid if the meditators are giving their dough to this guy, they won't have so much to give the Movement. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT WTF? First Maharishi sends a message from beyond the grave, and now he's BACK? At least it's good that they're warning people about him this time... From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT
uh oh. alarm bells. he thinks his vital post did not make it, so send, send, send again. this could be the vital post that saves the world from the big bad, TMO. my mission, my mission, he thinks ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. I would have to say it is unfortunate that the Movement itself has engendered a mind set that creates such gullibility inthe awareness of the TM'ers of the community and the world at large AND the Movement itself is guilty of the exact same kind of fraud they are alleging this man is guilty of. It may be the Big Boys of the TMO are afraid if the meditators are giving their dough to this guy, they won't have so much to give the Movement. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT WTF? First Maharishi sends a message from beyond the grave, and now he's BACK? At least it's good that they're warning people about him this time... From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@...
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going for third base, imagining the the whole world is cheering this great champion of the truth. truthfully, they probably find him fascinating, as I do, but not for reasons, I think he would appreciate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Most likely he's a Governor - they don't wanna besmirch the Movement too much by association. And I bet last time he was in town, he ripped off Bevan, maybe James Beddinger and possibly the University itself. Nothing like the anger of a bunch of cons when they get conned themselves. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We know you are a bunch of suckers, so We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It's hard to tell I know, but this warning is not referring to the yagya programme or any Maharishi health technologies. It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Refunds not given for any failed nature support or lack of improved cognitive reasoning and intelligence. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@... Seriously, why don't they just print the guys name? He sounds like a fiendishly smooth operator.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
the dude tries to steal home and flops. but it's all he knows. same tired routine. but how ironic, that he's the one who's thinks he saving the world. how absofuckingly ironic! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : most of the world is free of war your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
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oops, guess I was rushing again. make that seven years bashing for every year in. 35 to 5 ratio. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Beautiful, beautiful. Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it. Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the bash. I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part towards Barry. Hey, I was fond of Barry too. Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him. But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in. Still collecting evidence? Methinks, something else at work here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us naysayers do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time discovery of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis. keep on keeping on. we are enjoying your new found savior mentality. I mean, it is a hoot! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : most of the world is free of war your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
again, Michael, your recent confession does help in help us, (or at least me) understand you. It even allows me to feel compassion for you. You have this savior mentality, or maybe you envision yourself as a martyr of some sort. I mean, let's admit, it does fit. From TM to MJ the Channeler, to VA Veteran Program Booster, and now MJ the Savior. Do you think you should change your online handle. MJ, World Savior or maybe just The Savior Whaddya think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis. keep on keeping on. we are enjoying your new found savior mentality. I mean, it is a hoot! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : most of the world is free of war your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Why knock people and their beliefs, so incessantly? I think we get it by now. People who believe in God deserve to be lampooned in your mind. It is part of your usual fare, unfortunately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Funny Farm Lounge Koan
Just remember Barry. You have spent seven years bashing TM for every one year you were involved with it. Does that say anything? Anything at all? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Have you ever noticed that the TMers on FFL claim to be better than everyone else, but that the only things they seem capable of writing about are either the things they're AFRAID OF: terrorists, Ebola, immigrants, criminals, ISIS, and conspiracies or the people they HATE: Barry, Michael, Salyavin, all atheists, and anyone who disagrees with what they believe? In a way, it's possible to see this as a commercial for TM. I mean, if *most* people's lives had turned out to be this empty, pathetic, and endlessly focused on things they themselves consider negative, they'd have killed themselves long ago. But TMers on FFL seem to believe that living like this is the very definition of being better than everyone else. Low standards make for high self-esteem, I guess...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Michael's first bash of the day. Certainly not to be the last. Michael, I sort of cringe, for your sake, but you know you come off as, sort of, adoring Barry. I mean, it seems a little strange, for one who demeans people on a daily basis for cult mentality Jusy sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” - Christopher Hitchens. Oh that's rich! I love it! It also applies pretty well to the beliefs of the TM True Believers. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
gift, Michael, a gift, you are. hearing you talk about normal, as being a standard for normal. carry on. you are breaking some new ground here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I would say normal is what you aspire to but your world view is so much a Bizarro world view I don't think you can ever get even close to normal. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, chief among them, Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name! sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to normal. Jai Guru Dev J. Edgar Hoover John Philip Sousa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : most of the world is free of war your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Michael, cover your eyes! For God's sake, cover your eyes!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Very interesting link - Shows that Barry was actively involved, in soliciting new cult members for Freddie. No wonder he keeps his mouth shut about that stuff, and only ever mentions Maharishi as a target, for cult mentality. This is part of a report Barry filled out, and submitted monthly, to Doctor Lenz. Other sections cover career, meditation, physical fitness, and product development progress, every aspect of life - no mind control here folks: 5. YOUR APPRENTICE ACTIVITY UPDATE With the understanding that your are entirely responsible for your interactions with any individuals you choose to teach, Dr. Lenz and ASI would like a monthly summary or your general attempts to local appropriate students as well as a monthly update on whether you will be bringing one or more of them to dinner the next month (starting in January, note: Dinner reservations must be made in advance by calling the reservation phone number). Example: (These are not guidelines as to how you should locate or deal with potential students of yours, it is merely an example.) I created a poster for a lecture series I will be giving in the next 3 weeks. i will give 3 lectures, one per week for 3 weeks at Taft College on the subject of meditation and psychic development in the 1990s and how it can benefit you in your career. I have found what I feel is an excellent first candidate and will be bringing her to the next dinner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 2:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. The Hindu God Rama Lenz: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Has the New Age arrived?
snip from sal: ...not such a cheery post for a friday! from richard Has anything good ever happened to you? and, finally, from ray: my thought exactly. does sal realize he comes off rather glum? Have you ever considered seeing a cult exit counselor? You might even require medication for your depression. Do you get invited out to any social gatherings with other people? You seem kind of lonely. Go figure. You may have come to the wrong place to get help - you don't seem to respond to friendly conversation. I wonder what's up with that? Most people feel better when they have someone to talk to, but in your case you seem to just want to bring us all down. Apparently you and Barry missed out on the Age of Enlightenment part - and the Renaissance too. All those years seeking, wasted. Bitter. Disappointed. Sad. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Has the New Age arrived? Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? A disparate group of experts from around the world will meet for the first time on Thursday for talks on what must rank as one of the most momentous decisions in human history.* The question confronting the scientists and other specialists is straightforward enough, even if the solution is far from simple. Is it time to call an end to the epoch we live in and declare the dawn of a new time period: one defined by humanity’s imprint on the planet? Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/16/-sp-scientists-gather-talks-rename-human-age-anthropocene-holocene Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? Geologists, climate scientists, ecologists – and a lawyer – to rule on whether impact of human life on Earth has pushed us into a new epoch View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo * Engaging hyperbole?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is your blind spot Barry. Your attacks are often judgemental, personal attacks. Most of us are well aware of the faults of the TMO. Your objection seems to be that our take away is different from your take away. You, as much as any person here are responsible for the divisive interactions. And Michael, is a all in person. You are either all in with his negative assertions about the TMO, and MMY, or you are cultist. If you get some time, give it some thought. You guys IDENTIFY WITH your time with Maharishi, and with being part of his group, or of being a teacher for him. A great deal of your own personal spiritual story revolves around this identification. So when someone such as myself or Michael makes fun of Maharishi or says what we really think about his teachings, you get all defensive. By attacking him, you feel as if we are attacking you, and you get your buttons pushed. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... Very interesting link - Shows that Barry was actively involved, in soliciting new cult members for Freddie. No wonder he keeps his mouth shut about that stuff, and only ever mentions Maharishi as a target, for cult mentality. This is part of a report Barry filled out, and submitted monthly, to Doctor Lenz. Other sections cover career, meditation, physical fitness, and product development progress, every aspect of life - no mind control here folks: 5. YOUR APPRENTICE ACTIVITY UPDATE With the understanding that your are entirely responsible for your interactions with any individuals you choose to teach, Dr. Lenz and ASI would like a monthly summary or your general attempts to local appropriate students as well as a monthly update on whether you will be bringing one or more of them to dinner the next month (starting in January, note: Dinner reservations must be made in advance by calling the reservation phone number). Example: (These are not guidelines as to how you should locate or deal with potential students of yours, it is merely an example.) I created a poster for a lecture series I will be giving in the next 3 weeks. i will give 3 lectures, one per week for 3 weeks at Taft College on the subject of meditation and psychic development in the 1990s and how it can benefit you in your career. I have found what I feel is an excellent first candidate and will be bringing her to the next dinner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 2:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. The Hindu God Rama Lenz: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Good for you Barry, good for you. (but talk about some weird ass, self medication) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
No Barry, it shows your willingness to jump on any absurd comment, if it provides you an opportunity to dump. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? I found out this last one is an intentional parody as part of an infamous Internet meme, Checkmate, Atheists! It's really a fascinating story: Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists “Checkmate, Atheists” is an expression used in jest after making an intentionally illogical religious argument. View on knowyourmeme.com http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
How do you even stand to interact, even a little, with such uninformed, biased people here, salyavin? Isn't there some Mensa group you can associate with? I guess you just like slumming it here. Or maybe it just gets boring up in the tower. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
yes, the Barster was holding back on us. Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the pushing of buttons agenda. Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk. You knew that truth was going to leak out. But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher. Like maybe some of us were, as children. Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes. Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else. Time to grow up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. -
