Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Gloria]

I’m not real active in this group, but did noticed the neck scratching-my Buddy 
had that until I took him off foods with grain-?? Don‘t  know (?), but finding 
diet w/o grains beneficial so I thought I’d peek in for a second and offer my 
2cents

-g 
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> On Nov 14, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Sandra Wachtstetter  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful 
> for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine 
> Just thought I'd pass this on
> Sandy W
>> On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira  
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello! 
>> 
>> Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. 
>> 
>> Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens 
>> and this one tested positive for felv.  
>> 
>> I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic 
>> kittens. Do you have any suggestions?
>> 
>> He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is 
>> increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury 
>> but is already much better.
>> 
>> Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
>> everything else normal. 
>> 
>> We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?
>> 
>> Thank you very much!
>> 
>> 
>> Patrícia
>> Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Gloria]

Thursday, April 18, 2019
Arizona, USA
Hi,
This seems to be an epidemic-my second cat (Phoebe -13 yrs old) is just 
beginning to get high levels-with no other signs - like vomiting.

Our new vet (just moved to AZ) was going to start her with a higher dose (.5)  
than my first one, KiKi- (.25)

KiKi had extreme over-the-top levels -he was 14 when diagnosed and the previous 
vet prescribed the .25 dose 2x’s a day of Methimazoli

 I’m  using a COMPOUND PHARMACY-in a liquid - using a syringe by mouth. Easy 
peezy !

I was concerned about the larger dose with a cat that was otherwise symptomless 
so I called the Vet & left a message- and explained my thoughts and asked if he 
wouldn’t reconsider a lower dose. 

He called back almost immediately and said he was glad I called-he had just 
been talking to some internists about Phoebe and they said they have NEW 
PROTOCOLS for dosing—
they are now waiting for numbers to be more out of line before medicating. 
So no meds for Phoebe yet!, will recheck blood work in 3-4 months.

I wrote all of that just to say-ask you vet more questions-if you aren’t using 
a compound pharmacy -try to find one-most will ship meds.

I will _not_ use the other method simply because of the stress the older cat 
must endure - I think stress is more harmful than the “cure” is helpful. So, 
you must endure my my 2 cents❤️
Gloria-furmommy to 15 cats, most feralborn



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> On Apr 18, 2019, at 12:12 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyoone,
> I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
> yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole 
> morning and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did 
> radioactive iodine.  the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill 
> after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat 
> that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my 
> heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the 
> night and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and 
> when she is on my lap, holds on to me   I am very attached to her and do not 
> want to loose her so am hoping meds work.  
> my question is:  does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating 
> this?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Gloria]

Amani-I thought that the meds you talked about might be beneficial for both 
since both are viruses-thanks!

note: keeping the previous emails attached for context-hope this is okay
Gloria
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV.
> 
> It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a 
> feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took 
> mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med 
> combination.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Gloria
> Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
> 
> Amani-
> FYI
> Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️
> Gloria
> 
> 
> -g 
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> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandy
>> 
>> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this 
>> chatline.
>> 
>> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum:
>> 
>> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
>> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.
>> 
>> 
>> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by 
>> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a 
>> few times today in response to a few of the posts.
>> 
>> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
>> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When 
>> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with 
>> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and 
>> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers 
>> to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I 
>> had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 
>> 
>> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we 
>> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After 
>> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to 
>> climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets 
>> couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of 
>> the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of 
>> his ears,


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Gloria]

Amani-
FYI
Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️
Gloria


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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy
> 
> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this 
> chatline.
> 
> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum:
> 
> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.
> 
> 
> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by 
> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a 
> few times today in response to a few of the posts.
> 
> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When 
> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with 
> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and 
> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to 
> any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in 
> the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 
> 
> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we 
> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After 
> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb 
> very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't 
> believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods 
> in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, 
> gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our 
> unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting 
> better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called 
> back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
> there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my 
> surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" 
> and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible 
> liver damage associated wit
> h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was 
> dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a 
> potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on 
> a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down 
> to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored 
> our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if 
> I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with 
> a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the 
> Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.
> 
> The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him 
> to eat when he was so very sick.
> 
> I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and 
> when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day 
> for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and 
> Doxycycline (50 mg) as well.
> 
> I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
> science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
> medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using 
> this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
> situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that 
> it has come through more often than not.
> 
> I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and 
> medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in 
> circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other 
> options and their kitten or cat will die.
> 
> I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
> veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
> association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific 
> community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising 
> drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean 
> really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver 
> disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those 
> circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I 
> think that the risk of permanent live

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Gloria]

Compounding pharmacy link-don’t have to join website to read info: 
https://www.pharmacist.com/frequently-asked-questions-about-pharmaceutical-compounding

A compound pharmacy will prepare prescription in the dose that your vet 
(or doctor) prescribes —- whereas a regular pharmacy only gives you meds that 
are already prepared by a pharmaceutical company


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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Sandy Millard  wrote:
> 
> Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"?
> After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and 
> make sure he eats good food.
> I dread what is to come. 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> 
> From: gloriajh...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: gcm...@comcast.net
> Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
> 
> I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest 
> a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have 
> medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats 
> in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson 
> sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks.
> So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️
> Gloria
> 
> -g 
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> 
>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard  wrote:
>> 
>> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the 
>> symptoms of upper respiratory infections?
>> 
>> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and 
>> water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? 
>> Sandy
>> gcm...@comcast.net
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Gloria]

I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a 
compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical 
training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our 
home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you 
need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks.
 So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️
Gloria

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> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard  wrote:
> 
> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the 
> symptoms of upper respiratory infections?
> 
> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and 
> water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? 
> Sandy
> gcm...@comcast.net
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Gloria]

Immune system plays a huge part-usually mature cats have a vibrant immune 
system, it’s the very young or older cats that would be more at risk, IMO.
Also, the FeLV cat’s immune system is compromised, I believe, so contact with 
other cats would be something to consider for the health of the FeLV diagnosed 
cat.
I have a cat diagnosed in 2010, that I strongly feel beat the virus-(answer to 
Prayer) he was older when I found him, the vet guessing him to be around 1 year 
old.
We keep him in our guest room with a modified door so he “participates” in the 
hall/house activities and the room is ventilated.
I will not take him to the vet unless he becomes ill-keeping the STRESS down so 
no testing! 
My practice is to wash my hands with alcohol and or soap for 20 seconds
before & after I’m in his room. I keep his dishes sterile, no shared food or 
water or containers- but that’s about it.
Now- this is my practice and everyone needs to follow his/her own inner voice 
on this matter- just sharing - not pushing an agenda. lol
Gloria, furmommy to Buddy Luv
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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, 
> despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would 
> decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event 
> though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly 
> pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even 
> though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I 
> have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially 
> with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Theresa O'Rourke
> Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch The disease. 
> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[Gloria]

Sheila, my 2 cents- 
- for me -  it's not just spreading the FeLV to others, it the autoimmune 
problem of not being able to fight off viruses or diseases that they could get 
from other cats.
I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we replaced the 
door with another re-engineered door. The replacement door bottom panel we 
replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the other cats in the house, and 
the top panel with a screen door screen guard panel for air and to get house 
sounds. He uses the plexiglas as a drum-especially when he wants attention!

I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 years- have my 
own easy chair and large screen tv :)

That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and entertainment- 
he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have inside!

•Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a variety of 
brands- and fresh water
•Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by law
•Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if life & 
death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on retirement funds 
•Pray: a lot
Will be praying for Robert too!




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> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>  wrote:
> 
> I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does anyone 
> have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about letting Skylar out 
> only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats.  But I have a 
> FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs 
> and cause more harm.  My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him 
> indoor.I don't think he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for any info 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> 
> Hi Sheila...
> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
> that is a lot of cats to look after
> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them fosters???
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

[Gloria]

Marilyn,
This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge hole 
in your heart. 

She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so sorry 
and sad for you!
Gloria
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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to 
> have you caring so much for her. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> 
> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped 
> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The 
> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On 
> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was 
> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would 
> come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best 
> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> 
> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge 
> or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. 
> Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good 
> health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a 
> tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this 
> community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
> 
> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight. 
>  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as 
> close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won 
> over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . . .
> 
> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  Marilyn Knapp Litt <mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
>> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
>> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
>> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her 
>> comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
>> is effective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
>> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
>> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the 
>> last 24 hours.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Felvtalk] Preventing Stress

[Gloria]

I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!

I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of 
vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question.

I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his 
forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 

I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized 
cat's we have.

My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other 
cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two hours 
of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 

I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.

I pray a lot! :)

(I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside only" 
cats.)

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
> 
> Marilyn,
> 
> I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> 
> I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the 
> Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via 
> a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read that 
> there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive with 
> Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take her back 
> and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing 
> well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.  
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm so sorry Marilyn .   Destiny sounds like a sweet and 
>> wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry 
>> felines.  
>> Sandy W
>> 
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Oh Marilyn,
>> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she
>> didn't have to suffer more.
>> 
>> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
>> the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
>> owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
>> have you caring so much for her. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
>> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
>> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
>> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
>> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
>> come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
>> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
>> 
>> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
>> or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
>> boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
>> enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
>> out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
>> this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
>> 
>> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
>> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
>> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
>> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
>> .
>> 
>> Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> 
>>  Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
>> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
>> > find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
>> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
>> > the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
>> comfortable.
>> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
>> > is effective.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
>> > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Gloria]

Topic was l-lysine FYI 邏

I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com 
has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their 
autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ 
to continue caring for their companions.
I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance 
of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to 
my prayers for him.
So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for 
the best cost-saving products. :)
Gloria
-g 
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> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore <thyme2s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two 
> of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, 
> all from Chewy :-).
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  
>> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.
>> 
>>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some 
>> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually 
>> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, 
>> > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - 
>> > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of 
>> > any kind.
>> >
>> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin 
>> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore 
>> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on 
>> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it 
>> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found 
>> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, 
>> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a 
>> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many 
>> > many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which 
>> > found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > Amy Glunt
>> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>> >
>> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, 
>> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a 
>> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to 
>> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, 
>> > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! 
>> > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical 
>> > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the 
>> > pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and 
>> > unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I 
>> > could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out 
>> > hope.
>> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
>> > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared 
>> > knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>> >
>> > Amy
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
>> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive 
>> > > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the 
>> > > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was 
>> > > fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after 
>> > > the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing 
>> > > prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of 
>> > > this ill-conceived war on drugs, and pla

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Gloria]

Good to know about the oil, too! Thx!

-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and 
> it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore 
> disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never 
> had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two 
> now.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
> Doore
> Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>  
> I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I 
> amVERY pleased with quick response.
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes 
> virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!
> 
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> > Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share 
> > of side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> > drawbacks.
> >
> >
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> >> wrote:
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200
> >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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> >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and 
> >> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
> >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
> >> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
> >> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
> >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
> >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
> >> Antibiotic seems to not b
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Gloria]

Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus 
- it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g 
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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200
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>> Message: 2
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>> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet 
>> Feline Antioxidant
>> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not b


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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vet visit today

[Gloria B. Lane]

Wonderful, Kelley, glad to hear the good news, and great price. Wish she was 
closer to me.

Gloria
in Arkansas


On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kelley wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 Coco and I had our first visit to the holistic vet today.  I was very excited.
 
 It was very different from a traditional vet visit. No exam tables - just 
 cushions on the floor.  She gave coco a very thorough exam with plenty of 
 time for questions.  She recommends against any further vaccinations (coco 
 has had fvrcp and rabies vaccines) and will write me a waiver for future 
 rabies exams.
 
 She recommends a raw diet and supplementation with feline immune system 
 support tablets by standard process.  Total bill today was $55.92 including 
 the exam and supplement. I got discounts of $15 for the exam and $2.30 for 
 the supplement.  So far we have been donated $45 so that comes close to 
 covering all of it
 
 If you live on the gulf coast I highly recommend her.  
 Www.creatingwellbeings.com
 
 I will be posting pics on their website later
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

[Gloria B. Lane]

What rescue group?


On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Kelley wrote:

 Alabama
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Go for it. I've already shared them there and will continue to do so. Where 
 are you, Kelley? There may be some additional options for assistance...
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:
 
 I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Yes that was just for whoever said the  interest rate was low. It is not.  
  But they do have a 6 month interest free option.  
 
 Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. 
 It is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. 
 
 I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a 
 Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is 
 only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. 
 People have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You 
 definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems 
 treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond 
 that I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for 
 it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic 
  and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 
  8:01 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs 
 traditional vets 
 for felv 
  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

[Gloria B. Lane]

Good grief!  26% is beyond high.


On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:

 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only 
 for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People 
 have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. Most 
 of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely need 
 to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated quickly, and 
 try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, to some 
 extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:01 
  PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional 
 vets 
 for felv 
  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

[Gloria B. Lane]

I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea.


On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote:

 Yes that was just for whoever said the  interest rate was low. It is not.   
 But they do have a 6 month interest free option.  
 
 Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. It 
 is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. 
 
 I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a 
 Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only 
 for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. 
 People have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely 
 need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated 
 quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, 
 to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 
  8:01 PM 
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 for felv 
  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thinking of you Michelle, and sending healing thoughts and prayers for Bear!

Gloria


On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
 killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
 high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
 bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
 are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
 and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
 doxycycline.
  
 Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
 issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
 interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
 prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
 the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
  
 thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ringworm.

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hey nice to know about Gary -


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wrote:

 I have always used the Walmart brand (Equate) cream for foot fungus and it 
 has worked very well.  Not messy and doesn’t smell bad and is cheap. 
  
 Gary
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Gloria B. Lane]

Probably Clindamycin...  I always keep it around.


On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

 I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very economical. 
 Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. Very economical. 
 I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Off topic or a new one.
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with 
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for 
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're 
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, 
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath 
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 
 On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Gloria B. Lane]

I have 2-3 methods I use
1) I started out giving a depomedrol injection periodically (once every 4-6 
weeks or as needed).  Seems like it's 1/2 cc depo.

2) Then someone suggested oral dexamethasone - so I give about 1/2 cc Dex 
orally, and it lasts a few days.  Sometimes though they're quite resistant to 
having something squirted in the mouth. 

3) the most recent option Ive tried is Zyrtec.  I buy Zyrtec at the grocery 
store or pharmacy.  Also got a pill cutter and cut the Zyrtec in half.  I put 
the half zyrtec in wet food once a day.  You may need to crush it at first.

I've started doing the last two together in some cases.  Have found the Zyrtec 
very helpful for some runny noses too.

But to start out, with a difficult cat, I do Depo for about a month and see how 
that works and if I can switch to Dex.

If you google these options you can find out more, of course.  

Gloria



On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Off topic or a new one.
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with 
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for 
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. 
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're 
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but 
 it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which 
 makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 
 On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Gloria B. Lane]

I think it's safe to put coconut oil on kitty skin - a friend swears by it, 
uses for ringworm on cats.  I usually use Golden Seal, but found the following 
re coconut oil:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/pets-and-coconut-oil-an-experiment-with-two-cats/


Gloria



On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:04 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 From all the things I have read, no oils are safe for cats.  I use eucalyptus 
 for my sinus and lavender to help me sleep, but make sure the cats do not get 
 too close when I do.
 
  Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I researched it before and read no on oregano oil. The phenols in essential 
 oils can not be processed by the feline liver. Lym dyp is safe and 
 effective. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Can oregano oil be used on cats?  A friend has two kittens with awful 
 ringworm.  So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much.  (Gave her some 
 Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.)
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional 
 medicine.
 
 Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:
 
 
 On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
 
 I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might 
 report you for practicing medicine without a license.
 
  Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a 
 legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results 
 with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after 
 considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about 
 anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and 
 products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :)
 
 All the best,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Gloria]

Right lol - I'd forgotten that Clavamox is the same stuff (or similar?) to 
Augmentin, just that it's the veterinary form.



-Original Message- 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite



I'll weigh in with soap and water, betadine flush, topical antibiotic and 
Augmentin (tho it's usually the Clavamox form I have around) or Cephalexin.


Margo


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

Just had to add my 2 cents.  Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's 
always worked well for me.  I usually clean the bite with cold water and 
hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, 
I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One 
tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my 
sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin.  Fortunately haven't had a 
bite in a long time :)


Glad yours is doing well.

Gloria



On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over 
the

years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv
antibiotics.  Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth
(Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them.  If that bacteria gets 
into
your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis.  He was the only cat I 
had

who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing.
Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to 
eroom
as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing 
sepsis.


-Original Message-
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Lance
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

Hi everyone,

During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an
urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm.
despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-)

Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite 
can

be seen here:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/
4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b

It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep
puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches
above my elbow.

We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took
augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night,
unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently
inusrance-less, as luck would have it).

Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should 
I

be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent
clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 
3:45.

Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs
(well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input.

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Gloria B. Lane]

Just had to add my 2 cents.  Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's always 
worked well for me.  I usually clean the bite with cold water and hydrogen 
peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, I head for 
the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One tried to give me 
something else, I forget what, but it irritated my sensitive tummy and I went 
back for Augmentin.  Fortunately haven't had a bite in a long time :)

Glad yours is doing well.

Gloria



On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

 Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over the
 years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv
 antibiotics.  Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth
 (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them.  If that bacteria gets into
 your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis.  He was the only cat I had
 who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing.
 Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to eroom
 as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing sepsis.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lance
 Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an
 urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm.
 despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) 
 
 Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can
 be seen here:
 
 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/
 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b
 
 It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep
 puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches
 above my elbow.
 
 We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took
 augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night,
 unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently
 inusrance-less, as luck would have it).
 
 Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I
 be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent
 clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45.
 Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs
 (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas

[Gloria B. Lane]

BTW, Lance - I forwarded her the info on the Iowa locations.  Also found the 
Missouri sanctuary I used once before and sent that.  Haven't heard from her in 
a few days so think I'll check in.

Thanks!

Gloria


On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Ok thanks Lance- I'll talk w her daughter and give her your email. The mom 
 may prefer phone , I'll see. I appreciate it!
 
 Gloria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
 I’m in Fort Smith, but I can’t take anyone in right now. I’ll do some 
 checking with my limited contacts and see if I come up with an option. If 
 the woman would like to talk to an FeLV+ owner, I’d be happy to email or 
 call. 
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
 A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They 
 found out when she was on the table being spayed.  Her daughter talked her 
 out of euthanizing the kitty.
 
 I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty.  Lance, are you still 
 in that area?  I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took 
 FELV cats, too.
 
 Thanks for any suggestions!
 
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[Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas

[Gloria B. Lane]

A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They found 
out when she was on the table being spayed.  Her daughter talked her out of 
euthanizing the kitty.

 I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty.  Lance, are you still in 
that area?  I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took FELV 
cats, too.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'm on Digest version of this list, and it's not easy to reply... but I learned 
about Gentian Violet when I was a kid, and it worked great for ringworm - mine 
was on my hand.  I've since used it on cats when appropriate and it worked.  I 
generally use Golden Seal tincture (from the health food store, about $8), as 
it works well and isn't purple.  But have used Malaseb shampoo and it worked 
well. I don't use Grisiofulvin since it's systemic, unless it's a bad case of 
ringworm - has a Persian like that so did use the Grisiofulvin.

I read up on Advantage Multi a while back, and didn't like some of the reports 
of it - so I never use Advantage Multi.

Cheers,

Gloria


 
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 
 
 
 Hi felv friends, 
 
 
 I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
 options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
 mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 
 
 I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing 
 the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  
 
 1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm 
 very effectively. It is available on Amazon. 
 2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. 
 The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking 
 Ketoconazole by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less 
 seen when only using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet 
 version of 2% Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription to 
 get that. 
 
 hope it helps.
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[Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :)

[Gloria B. Lane]

In my experience, my kittens that have been born with FELV and kept the virus 
havent live much past 2-3 yrs of age. But sometimes their immune systems will 
throw the virus off and they'll test negative later.  And my cats that have 
acquired FELV after birth can live a long time, and when be tested again (Elisa 
or IFA) can go negative.  With mine, usually once they get sick (not a cold but 
really sick), they dont come out of it, they drift away and pass on. Their 
passing is usually easy. 

I don't think I've had many(if any) die of leukemia, usually other things like 
lymphoma.  I vaccinate when new cats (not FELV) come into the house, generally 
not after that.  I had one cat die several years ago, had tested negative when 
she came in, but when I had her necropsied after death she was positive for 
FELV.  All the cats she was with tested negative.

I have two FELV cats now, have had them maybe 4 years, and they've never been 
sick.  BUT I only tested them once with the Elisa test, so need to test again 
and see if it shows positive or negative.

There are also some subtypes of the FELV virus and that may play a role in how 
a cat does.

I;ve used Interferon Alpha for immune stimulation, also Dr Belfield's Vitamin 
C, never used Interferon Omega.  Have recently come across a new homeopathic 
treatment at 
http://www.pets4homeopathy.com/feline-leukemia-feline-aids-immune-system.html, 
which sounds very good and I ordered some -

Best of Luck,

Gloria
in Arkansas




 From: Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com
 Date: April 29, 2013 11:14:01 AM CDT
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :)
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 
 Hi everyone, I'm new to this group. My husband and I recently adopted a male 
 cat; we named him Abelardo. We noticed he wasn't in very good shape, and that 
 he was desperately looking for a home, so we rescued him. He's FeLV positive 
 and also has anemia. He has low counts for red blood cells, hematocrit, 
 hemoglobin and leukocytes. The test to determine if he was FeLV positive was 
 an antigen test (Elisa). No one performs IFA's tests in Ecuador, my country 
 of residence. The vet said that giving he’s a young cat and that he has been 
 fighting with a urinary tract infection and showing progress, it’s possible 
 that he will become a carrier and will be able to lead a normal life. My 
 research on the internet indicates that after diagnosis, cats usually live 
 for 3 or 4 more years. I asked the doctor about the chance of this being a 
 false positive, but he said that with the antigen test the margin of error is 
 very small.  I’ve read about cats that fight the virus and are able to 
 eliminate it from their organisms, later testing negative for FeLV. I don’t 
 want to have false expectations, but I want to hang on to whatever hope 
 there’s still out there for him.
 
 We've started him on a biostimulant therapy treatment that will last for 2 
 weeks with Yatren Caseína (an immune stimulant manufactured by Bayer, don’t 
 know if it’s sold in the USA), which consists of Casein and Yatreinic Acid. 
 This is supposed to help him increase his white blood cells. We are hoping 
 this will boost his immune system. He has also been taking Isoprinosine and B 
 complex with iron syrup for almost 2 weeks. I don’t know if my cat is 
 receiving the best treatment or what should I do to increase the odds of him 
 not having to suffer because of this terrible illness. I’m willing to buy 
 medicine from another country if needed.
  
 The vet advised to test my other cat after 30 days to see how he's doing -I 
 have a 9 year old cat who's in perfect health-. I'm concerned now as he 
 shared the litter box and bowls with the FeLV positive cat for almost 48 
 hours, I didn't even think about this as a risk, and now I feel terribly 
 guilty for placing my beloved pet in danger. If he isn't infected, then I 
 should look into applying him the FeLV vaccine, which is not sold in Ecuador 
 yet. I have to see if there are ways to purchase the vaccine in the US and 
 have it sent to Ecuador through a merchant.
  
 I want to keep the FeLV positive cat with me, as chances are no one will want 
 him or will take care of him the way he needs to. We have grown so fond of 
 him, he’s such an adorable, loving cat. I thought about dividing my apartment 
 so the sick cat will not have to remain confined in just one room. I can have 
 the cats’ alternate spaces every week, after disinfecting everything properly 
 with Clorox and not letting them share the same litter boxes or bowls. Do you 
 think this will be a good idea?
  
 I'm desperate and I need all the information I can get, as you are all going 
 through the same ordeal, sometimes with moments of happiness when we see even 
 a little sign of improvement. It's comforting to be able to read about your 
 experiences. Abelardo has his ups and downs, days when he only

Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hi Rashel,

I think your kitty needs to see the vet asap.  Can't tell of course,  
but he could have fluid in the abdominal area, or some other  
difficulty that really needs attention.


Gloria





- Original Message -
From: Rashel Mereness
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen  
anything that addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty  
that tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and  
we plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a  
great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and  
less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting only the wet  
food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his  
kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went  
away over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and  
breathing very heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing,  
but we can see his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and  
very quickly.  He won't eat, except he ate some of his favorite  
treats.  We had someone (who he doesn't know) staying at our house  
Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and  
Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing.  Sound  
like anything you have experienced?


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available

[Gloria B. Lane]

I mix my FELV's with my non-FELV's - have had no problem. Several on  
this list do.  Also I have a friend who has 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV -  
she gives the FELV kitty oral interferon alpha, which is well known on  
this list.  They're both 4-5 yrs old now, doing fine.  FYI -


Gloria



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From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
Date: November 19, 2011 12:36:26 PM CST
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT- 
Transportation Available

Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


The woman trying to help the cat on Chincoteague Island sent me some  
additional information, so I thought I'd share it here.


He only has 11 days to find a home, foster, or rescue. Please feel  
free to crosspost.


Thanks,
Cindy

Here's the info she sent:

There is a resident population of feral cats at Tom's Cove  
Campground.  Some of the people living there put food out.   
Occasionally a cat is trapped and taken to
an area vet.  Storm showed up after Hurricane Irene.  He was trapped  
and taken to the vet to get shaved down because he was badly matted  
and infested with fleas.  At the vet's it was discovered he was  
already neutered.  His ears were not notched and he has no microchip.


Storm has not shown any aggression at all.  He is fed separately,  
but the other cats don't bother him.  He is not feral.  I was asked  
if I would take him home with me when I visited in October.  I took  
him to the local vet to be tested and that is when it was discovered  
that he is FeLV+.  I have a 3yo female cat who is FeLV-.  There is  
no way I could keep him separated from my cat.


While the rest of the colony will survive the winter, it is doubtful  
if Storm would make it through the winter outside and without a  
regular source of food.  The campground where he is now closes at  
the end of November.  I honestly think he would make a wonderful pet.




From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Date: November 19, 2011 4:08:53 PM CST
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question (Maureen)
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


On 11-17, Maureen Olvey wrote:
  I  kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive  
kitten and
  since  I  doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to  
vaccinate my
  others  because  I'm  not  planning on keeping them separated  
forever.
  Maybe  I  should  but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate  
over -

  vaccinating  too  but  I think I have to in this case.


I have to vaccinate for FelV too, and I simply hate to do it. However,
I recently discovered that two of the cats in the shelter/sanctuary
building I own are FelV pos.  They have mixed with all the other cats
there for years and none have had FelV vaccinations. Currently they
are all healthy.  These are not my 15 cats at home. They are all
FelV neg and are never with my sanctuary cats.

Anyway, I'd also like to know which of the FelV vaccinations are the
best and least likely to cause VAS.

Lorrie


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[Felvtalk] retesting kittens

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'm a volunteer and foster for a local cat rescue, and I always wait  
and retest kittens when they test FELV positive.  I don't deal with  
kittens that much anymore, and forget the time period for the wait,  
but somebody local has had some test positive and needs to know about  
retesting.  Seems like it's a couple of months after they test  
positive, that you retest, but wanted to check.  Anybody know?


Thanks!

Gloria


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[Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?

[Gloria B. Lane]

One of the vets here told someone with an FELV cat, that she could use  
interferon alpha as an injection.  He didn't mention low dose ORAL  
interferon alpha.


It's been my understanding that the interferon was absorbed in the  
back of the throat.


Has anyone used interferon alpha as an injection rather than orally?

Thanks,

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Gloria Lane]

Convenia shot perhaps...

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts 
 for 2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying 
 to give her a pill or liqud each day.
 
  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
 though.
 
 Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  
 I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they 
 actually had a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon 
 doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the 
 food, other parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about 
 diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's 
 getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're 
 dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity.
 
 If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
 stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
 antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
 there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
 diarrhea.
 
 With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
 so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
 too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
 know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
 
 So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
 know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
 are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
 FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
 
 Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
 to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued 
 from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
 prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
 very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
 improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
 When should I re-test?
 
 On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,  dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It 
 has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
 
 
 
  Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
 
 can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
 
 All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
 
 Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
 ti...@mindspring.comwrote:
 
 
 
 You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
 
 There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
 
 and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
 who
 
 have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
 
 at about 3 months  post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
 to
 
 the outside or any pos cats…..
 
 
 
 ** **
 
 
 
 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
 
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 
 
  ** **
 
 
 
 I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/*
 
 ***
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ** **
 
  --
 
 
 
 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
 
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 
 
 Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
 
 
 
 New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
 
 the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

[Gloria Lane]

Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered 
they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of 
transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the 
vet.

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV.
 Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will
 forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination.
 
 
 On 09-07, katskat1 wrote:
 Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives
 and negatives with the following caveat:
 
 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV
 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a
 waiting period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others
 can confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
 3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until
 the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at
 least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
 4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever
 they are positive for)
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Gloria Lane]

I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder?

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may 
 show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their care until 
 they all leave this world.
 On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 It was the same with my Annie.  When her owner who was in hospice
 learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next
 day.  She knew her baby was safe so she could go.  If I did not have
 a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to
 NOT die.  If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would
 not rest in peace.  I think I would be like Annie's owner was.  If
 you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep.  Any port in a
 storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure.
 
 
 I am going to have to live forever!!   I have 15 cats and my family
 (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone
 to take the rest of my cats.  I've been on google for days searching
 out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL.  I'll keep
 trying, but I'm getting so discouraged.  These cats were all rescued
 kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them
 very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have
 money for their care, but no one has offered to take one.  I'm now 78
 and my husband is almost 90.  I need to find homes, and I am offering
 $1,000 per cat.  Do any of you have any ideas what I can do?
 
 Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[Gloria Lane]

Just FYI, Fip is not contagious. Its genetic in related to another virus. 
There's a specific type (s) of corona virus that can mutaTe into FIP in 
particular due to stress conditions such as introduction into a new home. 

As I understand it once it mutates into FIP  it's not contagious but I won't 
swear to that. If a cat doesn't have the right gene, they won't get FIP anyhow. 
And of course stress is an important factor.  There's good research going on re 
FIP. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:26 AM, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other 
 cats.  All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health 
 issues.  I also have several older cats.  I've already had FIP introduced in 
 my house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer.  We had no idea she had it 
 until, she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized.  The vet did everything 
 to get her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye.  Knock on 
 wood no one else has ever showed signs.  My Spicy has a home with me for 
 life, a pet in my home is family.  I'm just undecided on whether to get her a 
 friend or not.  April 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply
 
 I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone 
 passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving 
 quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use 
 fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak 
 and bette able to resist infections.
 
 
  Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
  It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
  mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV 
  cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get 
  Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for 
  the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to 
  isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among 
  vets some more flexible than others.
  
  Gloria
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
   Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been 
   mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. 
There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may 
   not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I 
   wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male 
   cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible 
   of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
   I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get 
   along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get 
   along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  
   Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of 
   the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline 
   leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
   But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
   
   From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
   
   Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I 
   see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
   mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.

   My 2 cents.

   =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
   furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi 
   =^..^=
   - Original Message -
   From: dot winkler
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
   
   Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the 
   disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 
   5 stages?  What does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make 
   it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the 
   disease.  Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My 
   cat is so lonely.  It breaks my heart.  She wants to play with the 
   others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the 
   two of them.  I really would love to adopt her out.  Just having a hard 
   time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
   
   From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday

Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Gloria Lane]

I have godparents for some cats, a rescue for others. - but still a problem- 
what's the rescue gonna do? You gotta have place, a location. Perhaps use of 
your house for a period of time. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money
 for their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM?  With 15 cats this is
 the problem.  Not the money.  
 .
 
 On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 
 I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever  
 may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their  
 care until they all leave this world.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV

[Gloria B. Lane]

Same here.  When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was  
in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented.   
I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem.  All  
mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep.


Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may  
not,   2) they're not that contagious,  3) double positives (FIV/FELV)  
don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die  
at 2.5-3 yrs old,  5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a  
try.  Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice   :)


Gloria


On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:


The virus isn't airborne.
it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but  
they r with my other cats.


--- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM

Hi Dot,

This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy  
lives in a bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of,  
a cat tree and a sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I  
didn't know she had it.  I adopted her the first weekend in June and  
took her to the vet a week later.  The receptionist at my vets was  
the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that  
the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea.  So for a  
week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there are 6  
stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5.

From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV

Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year  
old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have  
known since June when she had a fever.  She has stabilized and is  
doing so well now.  Very healthy and playful.  She is a little  
squirt, i call her.  I have been looking for a home for her since  
I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.  She  
is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it  
a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home?  
How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are  
there different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as  
this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the  
leukemia.  So, it is all new to me also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)


From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update

Hi,

A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted  
from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I  
was questioning whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had  
her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her  
results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow.  I still haven't  
decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house  
already full.  I think I would need to adopt another cat with it  
already in their bone marrow too, right?  I've never had a FELV+  
cat, so I don't know what to do.


April

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Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[Gloria Lane]

It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats 
seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I 
think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick 
ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats 
 so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more 
flexible than others.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing 
 the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There is 
 still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull out 
 of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't want my 
 other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, Lion, has 
 AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though 
 he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
 I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. 
  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get along.  
 But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice versa.  
 Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture.  I 
 would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can 
 have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
 But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
 
 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
 Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see 
 no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've mixed mine 
 in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
  
 My 2 cents.
  
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
 - Original Message -
 From: dot winkler
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
 Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
 Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
 does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
 stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is 
 it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks 
 my heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows 
 from the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt 
 her out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name 
 Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
 
 From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
 Hi Dot,
  
 This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
 bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a 
 sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  
 I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. 
  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done 
 because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
 idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there 
 are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 
 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
 Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
 gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
 had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
 playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I have been looking for a 
 home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them 
 separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would 
 give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? 
 How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
 different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the 
 first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all 
 new to me also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)
 
 From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update
 
 Hi,
  
 A couple

Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week

[Gloria Lane]

I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. 
Blessings. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did 
 not do.  You tried and that is morethan others did.  You gave love.
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Kelley
 
 So sorry for the loss of Black Tom.  Each cat is special and their life
 counts.  It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes.  I hope his
 helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they
 spent together.
 
 Peace.
 
 ~Bonnie
 
 
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
 
 
 
 His feeder is devastated.  I am sure she blames herself for not taking him
 to the vet sooner.  Thanks very much to those of you who offered him
 sanctuary.  I can always depend on this list for help.
 
 Kelley
 
 -- 
 
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ 
 
 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
 
 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
 
 
 - Nathan Winograd
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Gloria B. Lane]

I was thinking about that.  I haven't been following all of this, but  
with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago).  Some  
vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV  
cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub- 
q fluids at home.


My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that  
no more than that.  Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical  
reasons.  but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI  
or interferon or something.  Course as I recall, interferon alpha is  
more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon  
omega.




Gloria




On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:


Marcia,

Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps  
tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she  
do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are?


He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak.  I'm  
so sorry he is such bad shape!!


In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the  
poor little guy to suffer.


Hugs~
Lynda
- Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI



Hi everyone
I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well.  I'm  
really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to  
the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105.  
Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting  
penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with  
it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles)  
which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on  
the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is  
fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off  
balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before.  
His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is  
permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the  
experts? (all of you)(-:


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per  
vial?

I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but
want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.

Thanks
Kat

On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:


Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a  
distributor in

Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.




From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI


Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for the  
last few weeks
of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might  
have lived a
bit longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com 
 -
if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to  
the vet.  I
was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is  
possible
to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily.  
The other
up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- 
cutaneous
injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV  
injection. The
IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than  
a sub-q
injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after  
each dose -
something he didn't need and quickly wore him out.  Tcyte can  
also slow the
inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer.  Many benefits  
with this
stuff.  Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very  
helpful and

will give you all the info you need.

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com 


wrote:





Hi everyone
I really need some help.
fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides  
in the
basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic  
because i
cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his  
backbone and
his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I  
don't know
what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts  
like the
base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had  
never seen
such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this  
amoxi isn't
working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a  
teensy bit of
improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I  
took him to
the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss  
with my
vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor  
little cat is
wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing  
for him

What do I do

Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hmmm.  Think blood work would add some insight into things like  
potassium, blood counts.  Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums  
are pink.  Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain?


How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly?

Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in  
the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did  
seem interested after reading through some of the data. She  
immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the  
end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to  
them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I  
think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that  
Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs,  
purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes  
no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how,  
when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just  
peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him.  
She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums  
are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of  
methyl B12. It won't hurt!  She also told me to give him 81 mg of  
baby aspirin 2X a week.


Thanks you guys for listening(-:

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net  
wrote:
I was thinking about that.  I haven't been following all of this,  
but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago).   
Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick  
FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give  
him sub-q fluids at home.


My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but  
that no more than that.  Not sure why - for biological reasons or  
practical reasons.  but a transfusion might pump him up till he  
could get LTCI or interferon or something.  Course as I recall,  
interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not  
sure about interferon omega.




Gloria




On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:


Marcia,

Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps  
tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did  
she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are?


He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak.   
I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!!


In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the  
poor little guy to suffer.


Hugs~
Lynda
- Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI



Hi everyone
I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well.  I'm  
really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to  
the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105.  
Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting  
penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with  
it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles)  
which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was  
on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick  
is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely  
off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day  
before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if  
this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions  
from the experts? (all of you)(-:


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per  
vial?
I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check  
but

want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.

Thanks
Kat

On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:


Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a  
distributor in

Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.




From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI


Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for the  
last few weeks
of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might  
have lived a
bit longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com 
 -
if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication  
to the vet.  I
was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It  
is possible
to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it  
daily. The other
up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- 
cutaneous
injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV  
injection

Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Gloria B. Lane]

Which liquid human B's?  I might like to get some - like from the drug  
store, etc?


Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote:


Gloria
I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's.  
So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since  
the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food.  
He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do  
have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I  
don't mind). (-:


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net  
wrote:


Hmmm.  Think blood work would add some insight into things like  
potassium, blood counts.  Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his  
gums are pink.  Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's  
assuming pain?


How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins  
possibly?


Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in  
the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did  
seem interested after reading through some of the data. She  
immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the  
end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk  
to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the  
holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could  
it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over  
my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over?  
That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on  
potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor  
or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and  
did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is  
very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did  
just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt!  She also told  
me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week.


Thanks you guys for listening(-:

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane  
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
I was thinking about that.  I haven't been following all of this,  
but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time  
ago).  Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and  
help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can  
of course give him sub-q fluids at home.


My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but  
that no more than that.  Not sure why - for biological reasons or  
practical reasons.  but a transfusion might pump him up till he  
could get LTCI or interferon or something.  Course as I recall,  
interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not  
sure about interferon omega.




Gloria




On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:


Marcia,

Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps  
tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did  
she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are?


He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak.   
I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!!


In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want  
the poor little guy to suffer.


Hugs~
Lynda
- Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI



Hi everyone
I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well.  I'm  
really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back  
to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over  
105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long  
lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't  
mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there  
(25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI  
and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked  
just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home  
he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't  
like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard  
for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial  
infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-:


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses  
per vial?
I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment  
check but

want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.

Thanks
Kat

On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:


Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a  
distributor in

Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.




From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Gloria B. Lane]

OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab.

Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote:

Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a  
twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a  
spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat  
dose is 1/10 of human dose.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net  
wrote:


Which liquid human B's?  I might like to get some - like from the  
drug store, etc?


Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote:


Gloria
I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's.  
So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since  
the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned  
food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids.  
But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him  
(and I don't mind). (-:


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Gloria B. Lane  
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:


Hmmm.  Think blood work would add some insight into things like  
potassium, blood counts.  Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his  
gums are pink.  Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's  
assuming pain?


How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins  
possibly?


Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference  
in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but  
did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She  
immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at  
the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even  
talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the  
holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how  
could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs  
all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling  
all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low  
on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain  
tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid  
there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic.  
His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I  
know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't  
hurt!  She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a  
week.


Thanks you guys for listening(-:

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net 
 wrote:
I was thinking about that.  I haven't been following all of  
this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long  
time ago).  Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try  
and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :)  
You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home.


My vet said that we could do a couple of blood  
transfusions, ,but that no more than that.  Not sure why - for  
biological reasons or practical reasons.  but a transfusion  
might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or  
something.  Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a  
preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega.




Gloria




On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:


Marcia,

Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps  
tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI?  
Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts  
are?


He may have not cried all the way there because he is too  
weak.  I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!!


In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want  
the poor little guy to suffer.


Hugs~
Lynda
- Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com 


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Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI



Hi everyone
I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well.   
I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him  
back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of  
over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a  
long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most  
people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all  
the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her  
the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up  
when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said  
VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and  
couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His  
quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is  
permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions  
from the experts? (all of you)(-:


Thanks so much
Marcia

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On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com  
wrote:


Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses  
per vial?
I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

[Gloria Lane]

That's pretty much why I do...

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
 surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
 vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
 surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
 but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
 injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
 annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
 vaccinate again.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
   they are strictly indoor cats!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

[Gloria Lane]

Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, 
it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, 
torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w 
claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma 
or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat 
ruined by declaw. 

Gloria

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without 
 you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves 
 TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.  I've seen cats 
 who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have been declawed do 
 absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes.
 
 I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy 
 and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the 
 oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery 
 would provide pain meds.
 
 At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a 
 nursing home.
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most 
 devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
 doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
 a cat would feel if
 
 he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
 paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
 Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
 they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
 in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
 an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
 writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was 
 being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is 
 heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
 and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory 
 details of declawing.
 
 Natalie
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
 
 Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
 program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
 
 I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
 after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
 Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. 
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going 
 crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
 
  
 
 There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I 
 guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere 
 instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the 
 tenants’ own furniture!
 
  
 
 I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an 
 older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats).
 
  
 
 There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
 psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
 abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all 
 the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or 
 kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt 
 with the problems as well as they could.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
  
 
 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
 to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
 require declawing.
 
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
 claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
 scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
 natural defense for declawed cats!
 
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Gloria Lane]

Sounds good to me! 

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On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Terri
  
 I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers 
 where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my 
 husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork 
 and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to 
 cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an 
 amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't 
 calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret 
 that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
 Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
 today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
 she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
 reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
 am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with 
 this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is 
 from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that 
 he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor 
 little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that 
 indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What 
 are you opinions??
  
 Take care everyone
 Marcia
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
 meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
 such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
  
 I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
 cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  
 It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment 
 of cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
  
 My 2 cents.
  
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
 - Original Message -
 From: Marcia Baronda
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
 
 tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
 horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
 overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off 
 the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was 
 so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them 
 what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was 
 glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they 
 are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and 
 told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an 
 apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian 
 present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal 
 welfare Act, which is a crying shame.
 
 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
 animals for several years now.
 
 Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
 a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
 in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
 hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
 one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
 them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
 she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
 yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
 the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
 
 She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
 
 Sigh.
 
 Tee hee.
 
 Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
 
 kat
 
 On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
 Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
 older, there ARE perks.
 
  Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
  I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
  if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Gloria Lane]

I love it! Hood for you.  Can't believe shed leave horses in the sun and heat.

Gloria

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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really.eat in the truck.
 
 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
 animals for several years now.
 
 Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
 a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
 in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
 hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
 one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
 them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
 she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
 yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
 the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
 
 She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
 
 Sigh.
 
 Tee hee.
 
 Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
 
 kat
 
 On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
 Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
 older, there ARE perks.
 
  Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
  I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
  if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
 
  Lorrie
 
 
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 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 Cell:785-230-6499
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX

[Gloria B. Lane]

Yup sounds weird, I'm curious too.  Sounds like maybe he's getting  
sick and anemic from the FELV, but you never know, could just have  
something simple.


Gloria


On Aug 21, 2011, at 4:59 AM, gary wrote:


Kelly,

Please contact me off list about this kitty.

I would love to know exactly what condition is treatable and what  
treatment would make him very infectious beyond being as  
infectious as he is now.


g
Gary

From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Cc: teeja...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX

Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin,  
Texas.  He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/ 
heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with).   
There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA.


Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him:

He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very  
affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even  
purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with  
all the strange scents and animal noises going on!


He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic.  
That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated  
the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the  
condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious.  
So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or  
in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive.


It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to  
find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have  
to be euthanized.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Gloria Lane]

Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking 
constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only 
certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.

Gloria

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
 staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
 great idea.
 
 Diane R.
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 Thanks, Gloria.
 I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
 about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
 (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
 She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
 okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
 beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
 make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
 life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
 better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
 hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
 darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
 that goes!
 ~B.
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
 of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
 hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
 weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
 
 You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
 the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
 home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
 unfortunately.
 
 Good luck with your kitty -
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Gloria B. Lane]

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a  
couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home  
is, and hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the  
right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection,  
etc.


You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who  
will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she  
learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty  
was altered, unfortunately.


Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Gloria B. Lane]

I just do not believe that FELV is that contagious. We know FIV isn't  
that contagious except thru deep bite wounds. I kind of think it's the  
same thing with FELV. I've had the same thing happen - had a kitty  
die, had a necropsy, and she had FELV/FIV.  None of the other cats got  
it. I knew she was FIV, but didn't know about the FELV.  Lived several  
years with those cats.


Gloria




dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Fri Aug 12 17:04:43 CDT 2011
Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he  
was abl to ward off the felv.

 Natalie atia2 at optonline.net wrote:
 That's one for the booksamazing!

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 From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 molveywda at hotmail.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
 To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

 Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's  
an older
 gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two  
year old cat

 of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested
 negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived  
together sharing
 food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her  
too when
 she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested  
yesterday.  Can
 you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about defying  
the odds.
 Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not  
contract the
 disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this disease.  I  
just assumed

 he had gotten it from her.

 Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] coconut oil

[Gloria B. Lane]

I live in Arkansas.  I know there are some quacks out there, but I  
always appreciate the folks who study and offer alternative  
treatments, as our environment in the USA isn't very supportive of  
that.  Wish there was more research into this area.  I've used a  
number of alternative treatments, and have witnessed folks I know  
who've gotten cancer, looking at something to help.  I sure hope your  
friend finds a way.  It's been a long time since I've looked into  
this, but ozone is also used for similar purposes as H2O2.


Gloria




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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] coconut oil


My friend moved to Arkansaw several years ago. She has contracted  
Rocky Mountain Fever and is very sick. Nothing is helping. She is  
now seeing a holistic doctor and he is giving her hydrogen peroxide  
IV's.  Rocky Mountain Fever can become cancer.


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[Felvtalk] Husband's Obiituary

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thanks for posting, Terrie, what a lovely man, I appreciated reading  
the obituary.  My heart goes out to you.


Gloria




From: ter...@tazzys.org
Date: April 6, 2011 10:37:05 PM CDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband's Obiituary
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Here is the main link to the paper I put my husband's obituary. Just  
click on the obit look for Bobby Forker it will only be online for  
30 days. In the local paper Thursday and Sunday.

There will be a photo of him. I hope it turns out alright.

http://www.heraldnet.com/



TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.


Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.


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[Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being

[Gloria B. Lane]

Dear Terrie, I'm so sorry, so sad for what you're going through.  He  
sounds young to me.  Been thru hospice with a boyfriend several years  
ago. I hope there are some sweet moments in the times you share  
together. Thinking about you and sending all kinds of good thoughts  
and wishes.


Gloria




From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's  
illness. He

has
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed  
into a

skill
nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to  
the

hospital.

He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped  
working.
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he  
wants for

comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.

I want to make myself available at all times for him.
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old  
but it

isn't
really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of  
this.

Hospice
is available to me 24 hours a day.

Sincerely,
Terrie

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
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Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.....

[Gloria B. Lane]

One thought process that I've run into is that a healthy adult cat  
(FELV negative) has a hearty enough immune system to successfully deal  
with the FELV virus without acquiring it.


I can't see that vaccinating them at this point would be of value.

Just my 2c

Gloria




From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Date: March 21, 2011 12:07:44 PM CDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



I've mentioned my kitty Two Face earlier because she died two weeks  
ago and when they did the necropsy they found out she had a huge  
tumor and was FeLV +.  Since then I've had a few of my other kitties  
tested with the combo/snap test at the vet's office.  All have come  
out negative so far, thank the Lord for that.  These other kitties  
that have tested negative lived with Two Face for over a year.   
Sharing litterboxes, food bowls and all that stuff.  I would think  
that would mean that they had enough exposure to the virus to get it  
in their system and that they either extinguished the virus or put  
it into a dormant status.  Is that a reasonable assumption?  My main  
question now is should I give them a FeLV vaccination.  If they did  
get the virus in their system and extinguished it then they're  
immune for life, right?  If so, there's no need for a vaccination.   
Is it possible with all that exposure that they didn't get enough of  
the virus into their system to do any harm?  If that's the case then  
I should vaccinate them?  I just don't know how they could not have  
gotten enough exposure since they lived together and shared  
everything for over a year.


Thoughts?


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain

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[Felvtalk] Please add ChooChoo to the bridge list

[Gloria B. Lane]

Please add ChooChoo to the bridge list. She died on March 19. She was  
a Russian blue (with white) FELV kitty that I found at a farm in east  
Arkansas, in 2008. Moved her to my home in Little Rock, and found out  
she was FELV positive.  She was a friendly kitty, had a mind of her  
own, seemed to enjoy life here. She may have been 6 mo to 1 yr old at  
the time of rescue.   This puts her in the neighborhood of 3 yrs old,  
which is about when I often lose my FELV cats, if they had the virus  
as a kitten. I hadn't seen any signs of real illness, but she had been  
a little more subdued for a couple of days.  Sleep soft sweet ChooChoo.


Gloria


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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

[Gloria Lane]

That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much 
about them aNd dont keep up.

Gloria


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On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA 
 test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me 
 he 
 was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other 
 vets 
 who are in the same office. Unreal!!
 I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly 
 check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most 
 of 
 during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered 
 about 
 exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. 
 However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the 
 impression I 
 got.
 I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when 
 I 
 take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his 
 office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! 
  Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 
 I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, 
 and 
 for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most 
 recent 
 research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to 
 date 
 and more sympathetic to FeLV cats.
 When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before 
 we 
 got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 
 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the 
 mixture). 
 I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's 
 FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not 
 find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and 
 we 
 retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets 
 there 
 were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be 
 destroyed 
 so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the 
 disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor 
 kitty. 
 
 Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. 
 We 
 count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to 
 keep 
 Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to 
 everyone on here and getting their advice first too.
 Good luck with what ever you do.
 Tanya
 
 --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 
 From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM
 Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating
 euthanization is a warning sign not to let
 him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up
 to date on the
 latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get
 to maintain
 Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to
 different vets and
 see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of
 some vets who
 treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start
 because they will have
 encountered it before. 
 
 Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to
 vaccinate the
 others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you.
 ;-)
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 
 I want to thank everyone who responded about my post
 regarding Amber, my
 FeLV positive cat.
 I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the
 health of my other
 cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan
 to be cautious but
 do feel less stressed about it.
 I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is
 nothing like being
 able to get advice from folks who have experienced this
 situation.
 The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her
 test came back
 positive. 
 I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy
 cat. I want to give
 her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come
 back negative.  
 
 Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her
 from starving to death.
 She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting
 every chance I get!
 She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how
 she sits at the
 top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it
 is, I guess. At
 least for now...
 I would love to hear from more folks regarding

Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Transport

[Gloria B. Lane]

Where they going, Kelley?


On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:16 AM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote:


Here's another one: http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika [mailto:moonv...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:59 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Transport

Hi there,

Does anyone know anything about transport?  I am trying to get these 2
FELV+ kitties to various far flung places (if anyone adopts them - no
one has yet).  I do not know the first thing about it.  Often our
adopters have limited funds and cannot afford to pay to transport, and
time is of the essence when dealing with this shelter as they kill  
FELV+

cats first.

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers  
they

can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that
they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

- Nathan Winograd


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Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Gloria Lane]

I've always spay/neutered mine- No problems. Except one Felv girl I have, who 
has seizures, and I have not had her spayed. Year or two old. She just seems so 
fragile I couldn't put her thru it. Doesn't seem to have heat cycles, if so 
very mild and unnoticeable. 

Gloria

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On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand 
 after 
 the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous about 
 the 
 situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience for me. I 
 have 
 loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I can. It makes me 
 feel 
 good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I hear her purr. It is sad 
 she 
 has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to give her a good life.
 BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the 
 restesting? 
 My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get 
 out. 
  Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
 mine.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
 old 
 kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
 that 
 time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been living 
 with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food bowls 
 and 
 litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten 
 that 
 comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when I found out 
 she 
 had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has 
 been 
 living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had him and an older 
 kitten 
 that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office.  The older kitten has 
 been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  They both came out negative.  
 A 
 couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been with me almost as long as the 
 FeLV 
 cat was with me and she tested negative as well.  So, I tell you this Jannes 
 to 
 confirm what the others have said because it shows that not all cats 
 contract 
 FeLV and there is no need to panic right now.  The vet felt that since those 
 kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long 
 that 
 if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially 
 the 
 cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
 healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
 and 
 they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
 vaccinate 
 your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the basement and if 
 she 
 tests negative in a few months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test 
 I 
 would let her in the rest of the house with the other cats.  But, that's 
 what I 
 would do, not necessarily what you should do.  Actually, I would trust the 
 vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a series 
 of 
 two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together.  But it's 
 your 
 cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
 the 
 need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
 hate to 
 see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with the 
 virus.  
 You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test positive on 
 the 
 IFA test.  
 
 
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not 
 going 
 to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter.  It 
 would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the 
 virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other 
 cats 
 would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune response and 
 fight 
 off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on the 
 combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA

Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Gloria Lane]

I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
mine.

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On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
 old kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
 that time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been 
 living with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food 
 bowls and litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or 
 kitten that comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when 
 I found out she had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old 
 kitten that has been living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had 
 him and an older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's 
 office.  The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  
 They both came out negative.  A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been 
 with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested negative as 
 well.  So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the others have said 
 because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and there is no need to 
 panic right now.  The vet felt that since those kittens and the cat that I 
 had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long that if they were going to 
 get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially the cat that had lived 
 at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
 healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
 and they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
 vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the 
 basement and if she tests negative in a few months or test negative with the 
 ELISA and IFA test I would let her in the rest of the house with the other 
 cats.  But, that's what I would do, not necessarily what you should do.  
 Actually, I would trust the vaccine and after your healthy cats get their 
 vaccination (it takes a series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all 
 three hang together.  But it's your cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
 the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
 hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with 
 the virus.  You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test 
 positive on the IFA test.  
 
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not 
 going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance 
 encounter.  It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect 
 them with the virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean 
 your other cats would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune 
 response and fight off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that 
 tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested 
 negative on the IFA.  Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap 
 test, the ELISA test and continued to test negative on the IFA test.  As a 
 precaution, we tested again 30 days later, and he continued to test negative 
 on all three tests.  His body built an immune defense and fought off the 
 virus
 
 --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM
 
 
 Hello,
 I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they 
 said 
 she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained 
 weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The 
 vet 
 said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did 
 not 
 have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering.  However, I have 
 three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will 
 escape to 
 the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a 
 nice 
 cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the 
 basement 
 about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 
 6' 
 tall cage so she will have more room I do hate 

[Felvtalk] MaryChristine

[Gloria B. Lane]

Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
room, and doing well.


Gloria


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Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

[Gloria Lane]

Not that I know of, Sharyl, but think we'll hear from her as soon as she's able 
to email.   She said she has a little netbook that she took with her. Thanks!  

Gloria

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update Gloria.  MC is a real asset on all the FeLV groups.  
 Sending well wishes her way.  Is there anythign we can do?  
 
 Sharyl
 
 
 
 
 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 4:30:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
 
 Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
  Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
 surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
 friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
 room, and doing well.
 
 Gloria
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

[Gloria Lane]

That's very much appreciated, I know! I know her from this and other lists, but 
for quite a few years now.  She's in New York, I'm in Arkansas. So nice 
connecting w folks all over. 

Gloria

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
  Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
 surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
 friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
 room, and doing well.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

[Gloria Lane]

We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't 
find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a 
pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan.

Gloria

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for
 senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and
 have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats.  Of
 course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I
 take them out for Adoption Days but.
 
 Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff for any of my
 animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but
 make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem.
 Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing
 extraction and I have had a boat load of animals.  Am I missing
 something?  Where are these requirements in place?  And just for older
 animals?
 
 My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year.  All the
 rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV
 annually.
 
 This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them
 and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace.
 
 K
 
 On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:
 What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint,
 older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for
 adoption.  That includes dental which is so expensive.  Adopters are
 reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid
 of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions
 and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference.
 
 --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
 Some great ideas/questions!
 Thank you all and keep them coming.
 
 Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start
 receiving a
 small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the
 mortgage and
 food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate
 - which I
 should have known - was a set back I will have to deal
 with.  I guess
 I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker
 could find
 forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to
 another concern
 about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to
 find good
 homes..
 
 Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
 suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would
 give money to a
 stranger on line with no real info as to where it will
 really go so
 why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds
 strange.
 
 I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would
 oversee
 that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care
 they
 should? My few remaining relatives live many states away
 and are
 within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
 person/house after the animals alive at the time of my
 death are no
 longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and
 property could
 revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that
 with zoning laws and
 all And I would have to be sure the house could be
 paid for at
 my death ARGHH...
 
 I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be
 familiar
 with these types of situations AND share my love for these
 furry kids.
 Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal
 Trusts???
 or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able
 to do it without
 charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.
 
 So much to think about.
 
 Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.
 
 Kat
 
 On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and
 other pets are to me!
 Most my family members and friends are huge animal
 lovers and I have no
 doubt that they will take great care of mine, if
 something would happen to
 me and my husband.
 
 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com
 
 I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry)
 the amounts I am seeing
 (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to
 take care of the cats
 for
 long other than maybe food needs. I definitely
 could be wrong. And maybe
 that's all it's intended for.
 
 Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
 
 I wanted to share some potential solutions just to
 put it out there?  Love
 that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
 
 Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin,
 maybe through a local
 501c3
 so their donators will get tax deductions, or
 perhaps kickstarter, or
 pepsi
 refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites
 nowadays and you can
 choose different amounts...you just have to hit
 the minimum to get

Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

[Gloria B. Lane]

You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many cats  
and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow.  Go figure.


Gloria


On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range  
and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into  
rescue.  We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years  
of age.  We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is  
hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is  
not prepared to deal with that.  Dealing with these things before  
listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in  
finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age.


--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:


From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM
We provide the same vet care to all
adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors
to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a
pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan.

Gloria

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
wrote:


Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain

areas? And for

senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of

the woods and

have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several

cats.  Of

course, they are usually younger and are always fully

vetted before I

take them out for Adoption Days but.

Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff

for any of my

animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they

have tartar but

make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that

isn't a problem.

Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a

bad tooth needing

extraction and I have had a boat load of

animals.  Am I missing

something?  Where are these requirements in

place?  And just for older

animals?

My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a

year.  All the

rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations

including for FeLV

annually.

This gets more and more difficult when all you want to

do is love them

and let them live out their lives in happiness and

peace.


K

On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com

wrote:

What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from

a rescue standpoint,

older animals have to be fully vetted before they

can be listed for

adoption.  That includes dental which is so

expensive.  Adopters are

reluctant to take on older or special needs

animals because they are afraid

of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current

on cleanings and extractions

and have recent senior blood panels then that

makes all the difference.


--- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com

wrote:



From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for

cats

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
Some great ideas/questions!
Thank you all and keep them coming.

Right now I am on unemployment and will

eventually start

receiving a
small retirement amt each month that will

barely pay the

mortgage and
food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so

totally inadequate

- which I
should have known - was a set back I will have

to deal

with.  I guess
I was thinking it would be a bridge until the

care-taker

could find
forever homes for them.  That, of course,

leads to

another concern
about how to be sure the care-taker could be

trusted to

find good
homes..

Not sure about those on-line fund raising

sites someone

suggested..beg for money?  I don't

think I would

give money to a
stranger on line with no real info as to where

it will

really go so
why would I expect anyone else to do so?

Sounds

strange.

I like the idea of someone moving into house

but who would

oversee
that person to make sure the animals are

receiving the care

they
should? My few remaining relatives live many

states away

and are
within a few years of my age or older. What

happens to the

person/house after the animals alive at the

time of my

death are no
longer living? Maybe as part of the will the

house and

property could
revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!

How to do that

with zoning laws and
all And I would have to be sure the

house could be

paid for at
my death ARGHH...

I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I

could trust to be

familiar
with these types of situations AND share my

love for these

furry kids.
Maybe listed in the yellow pages under

Attorneys - Animal

Trusts???
or something?  ;-)  And would be

willing and able

to do it without
charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.

So much to think about.

Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.

Kat

On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
wrote:

I'm so glad my family knows how important

Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

[Gloria Lane]

They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina 
and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in 
the garbage. 

Gloria 

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On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:01 AM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like hearng about people's experiences on this
 sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating.
 
 And I just have to say,  well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me
 out!
 
 Share something interesting today.
 
 ---
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 ---
 
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
 trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
 ever tried it)?
 
 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
 shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
 were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.
 
 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.
 
 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking
 at
 animals from a distance.
 
 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly
 on
 TV.
 
 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.
 
 http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!
 
 
 
 
 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
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 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PETA

[Gloria Lane]

I agree. I do think they serve a useful purpose on other areas. Guess they like 
flies.  But with cats, they're crazy folks.

Gloria


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On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 Kelley,  Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them
 donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave
 them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the
 cats they kill.  I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats
 certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they
 are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about
 the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they
 consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote:  As far as the original article
 goes, it was an article by PETA, which I  trust about as far as I
 can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you  ever tried it)?
 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught 
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to
 other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.
 They  were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.
 
 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.
 
 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy
 looking at animals from a distance.
 
 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill
 a fly on TV.
 
 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

[Gloria Lane]

Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good folks start 
them with good intentions and plans and can be successful.  

But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're 
probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the options in your local 
area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats.  And 
for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age 
of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your 
cats outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. 

Just some thoughts-

Gloria

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On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.
 
 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.
 
 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!
 
 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.
 
 Lorrie  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'm so sorry, Paola, I know how it is.  All our bridge children are  
there with him, showing him the way.


Gloria



On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, paola cresti wrote:

My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had  
him  for 8
months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition,  
hence the
Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that  
time.
Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me,  
he'd started

responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that.

I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for  
face to face
contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean  
forward and rub
his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize  
himself when
reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was  
doing).


The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as  
an adult.


He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding.  
His sunken
eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more  
injections or

treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today.

Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got  
from this

mail-list

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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?

[Gloria B. Lane]

I have to say, that's impressive, to have a help desk at the humane  
society..


Gloria
in Arkansas



On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote:

you can contact the Nevada humane society at 775-856-2000 and ask  
for the help desk  they can contact volunteers that might help in  
Nevada and close in to the state


Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?

MIchael,

We have 3 kittens needing to go from Austin to Reno.  We have  
someone to
drive the first leg.  What we need is someone to help us coordinate  
the rest

of the legs and possibly teach me in the process.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Second Chance Meows 
secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote:


what can i help you with?

Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


From: Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?

Michael,

They will be coming here to Reno.  Have been meaning to contact you
anyway, so this may be the right time.  Feel free to email me.
jenmarac...@gbis.com

Jenine



On 2/18/2011 5:31 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote:

where in Nevada do they need to go?

 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


From: Kelley Saveikamoonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?

We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada  
with as
little stress as possible.  I have no experience at all in this  
area;

however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg.  Anyone
experienced with transport who can help?




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Re: [Felvtalk] Peroxide therapy

[Gloria B. Lane]

Another possibility - a stroke.  Good luck to him and you!

Gloria



On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Natalie wrote:

That's why our shelter is at our house; they are home with us...we  
get
covered with cats taking turns on our laps, sometimes there are  
three or

four.
I found out yesterday that one of our healthy cats was acting  
strangely and
was taken to the vet. He's a very tame and sweet cat, but when he  
gets to
the vet, he's the incredible hulk!  Last time, I couldn't hold him  
down with
my whole body weight for the vet just to look into his mouth.  He  
was blind
yesterday morning, stumbled aroundby evening, at the hospital,  
he could

see again...blood work will be back today and he may have a brain
inflammation (original diagnosis).
If I won the sweepstakes, I'd get a huge farm, with houses and  
sections for

different animals on it - all saved from deathrow..

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Peroxide therapy

I don't know how you handle working in a shelter.  It is so hard  
when one of
my babies dies, but fortunately that is not too often.  I would also  
want to
take them all home with me.  Finances prevent that so I guess I  
would just
have to move into the shellter so I could be with them all the  
time.  My
pride does not have too many spats, but most of them occur when I  
sit down.
Everyone wants lap privileges. Of course, if I won the sweepstakes,  
then I
could buy a lot of land, build a large house and take them all.  But  
with my
luck I don't think that will happen.  Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com 


wrote:

I'd really like to know about this. We lost one of our FelV girls
this weekend.  Her name was Mimi, but I always called her Meem.
She was the first to greet me when I'd go to my no-kill cageless
shelter. She was in our FelV room, and she was a sweet, gentle
little lady  We miss her very much.

Lorrie

On 02-15, Natalie wrote:

I am so sorry to hear about all the little ones that have died!
I am reading something very interesting that may help all of our  
FeLV

cats.
Hydrogen-peroxide therapy - any form of cancer dies in oxygen. I  
know

the
exact dosages for humans, but must do some research on what to do  
for
FeLV/FIV positive cats...it apparently acts the same way as  
interferon
(creates oxygen), but without the side effects. I am anxious to  
get all

the
info and try it on my two guys as soon as we get back from Mexico  
- BTW

-
it's freezing here at night, days aren't too warm, either, but we  
have

plenty of sunshine!
Natalie



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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV + kitten needs help

[Gloria B. Lane]

Maybe I missed it - what is the location?


On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:19 AM, TANYA NOE wrote:


Hello everyone,
A girl I know rescued an approximately 18-22 week old kitten  
from a high kill shelters euthanasia list recently. The kitten has  
some corneal scarring but appears to still be able to see it also is  
FeLV +. It is a black and white female. She is very friendly, loves  
to cuddle and uses her litter box well.
The girls family won't let her keep it because of the FeLV. We  
have had many talks about it but the family is still too concerned  
that their 3 year old cat will get sick. She can no longer keep this  
sweet girl and is scared to death at the idea of having to take it  
back to the shelter. We all know how many people in this world  
perceive out little FeLV babies.
I posted a message last week with a picture but it was too large  
and I was told a moderator would look at it and either let it go  
through or message me why it had not. I never heard back on it so I  
am sending out this plea... Is there anyone out there who would be  
willing to take this sweet little girl and give her a home? She has  
been to the vet and appears to be otherwise healthy other than the  
FeLV and corneal scarring.
If anyone is interested, please send me an email at sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com 
 and I will send you pictures of her, she is super cute. Please,  
there has got to be someone out there who has the space and love for  
this little honey who has been given this 2nd chance.


Thanks everyone,
I pray for good news from someone who will get the opportunity to  
spend many happy years with this little angel!


Tanya




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[Felvtalk] FELV cat in Takoma Park, MD, suburbs of Washington, DC

[Gloria B. Lane]

I saw this on Facebook, and am so impressed that the Takoma Park  
Clinic (outside of Washington, DC, in Maryland) is helping an FELV  
cat.  The Takoma Park Clinic is at 7330 Carroll Ave, in Takoma Park,  
phone 301-270-4700.



Meet Bandit! He is hoping that we can help him to find his forever  
home!! Bandit was left at the clinic two weeks ago. We have since  
neutered and vaccinated him. His is FELV Pos and has lost one of his  
eyes. However, I don't think that there is a happier, more loving cat  
out there! He will need to be eithr in a home as the only cat or in a  
home with another FELV Pos cat. Please help find bandit the home that  
he deserves!!



Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Gloria B. Lane]

I have to say, while our monthly clinic vet does pediatric spay/ 
neuter, I wouldn't trust every one to do it, and I understand the term  
chop shops. Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter  
aftercare for cats in recovery than any of the others and that's so  
important.  Can't just put them in a cage or carrier after surgery,  
and leave them.  Fortunately we have a good system, and we all trust  
our vet, who is good with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing  
to watch him versus some of the other vets.  Knowing the vet and  
trusting are so important.  Otherwise I'd wait a while too.


Gloria



On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I  
haven't.  The
local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops)  
will do
them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be  
spayed

and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a
botched spay - never again.  Our current vet does them at 6 months  
because

his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that.

We have never had anyone get pregnant.

If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means  
we
still own the animal and they are fostering.  It works if you can  
keep up

with it.  We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com  
wrote:



Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months.


On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and  
from

what

I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I

can't

blame him.



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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

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http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers  
they
can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that  
they

should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Gloria Lane]

We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. 

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Gloria Lane]

Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls.  We never have 
problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not 
all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it 
before and you trust.

Gloria

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 We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we 
 may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.
 
 Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the 
 sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you 
 are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as 
 soon as possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable 
 to an indoor only home.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
 not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
 weeks)
 
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
 doesn't matter.
 
 --Katy
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
 jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
 him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
 already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
 Peggy
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Good news

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hi Kerry, I remember you from way back.  So glad to see you out there  
and hear your story.  I think I took in my first FELV cats in 2001  -  
Mr. Black Kitty and Calawalla Banana Booboo.  Mr. Black Kitty was a  
double positive, and lived about a year.  He was SOO skinny, but  
an energetic, sweet kitty.  Calawalla was a calico kitten, maybe 6 mo  
old or so.  I kept them in my living room, and one of the first things  
I did was put tape on the bottom of the door so that they couldn't  
sniff noses with my other cats.  My vet told me that wasn't necessary  
- the virus only lived a few seconds when it hit the air, and was very  
fragile.


I fortunately found this group, and read up on FELV and learned more.   
So within a couple of years, I decided that for me, it was time to mix  
the FELVs with the other cats, and have been doing that ever since.   
Calawalla died when she was about 2 yrs old.   I had acquired another  
FELV for her - MIttens - who died died a little later.  I sometimes  
wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present FELV's  
are.  I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV,  
Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great.


Anyhow, great to hear from you - Happy Holidays to you, Kerry, sending  
love and hugs back at ya -


Gloria






On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


Dear all
It's been a few years since I last posted. Background: I found this  
amazing,
wonderful, kind, supportive, and knowledgeable group--it remains my  
best
Internet experience--after discovering that 5 members of a feral  
colony of 4
kittens and 2 adults that I took in in 2003 had tested positive for  
a disease
called feline leukemia. (1 of the adults, Momcat, was negative. I  
should say, we
didn't know if she was really the mother--I just gave her the name  
as she was
the only adult female in the group. I saw no reason to separate her  
as she'd
already been exposed, plus she was the most stressed/timid of all of  
them.)

Re-testing a few months later showed no change--5 pos, 1 neg.
Within 2 years, 3 of the kittens and the positive adult succumbed to  
the

disease, 2 on the same day.
A few months later I re-tested again. This time, both remaining  
cats, Momcat and
Mickey, tested negative. Hi-fiving all round! They're now 8 and 7,  
respectively.

Still resolutely feral, but healthy!
Fast forward to September this year when I began fostering Sally, a  
5-week
calico that had tested positive on both ELISA and IFA. The rescue  
group said

they would re-test in 3 months.
The lab people said: Why bother? Nothing you do is going to change  
the result.
One of the vets at the clinic said the same thing: re-testing is  
pointless.
The rescue group disregarded the advice and earlier this month I  
took her for

a 2nd round of ELISA and IFA. Result: both negative!
Just wanted to share--I figure we can always use good news.
I will also say--and it's very much my decision, based on my  
personal experience
with healthy adult Momcat (above), who lived alongside 5 positives  
but remained
neg--this is the 2nd time I've fostered a pos kitten--Daisy remained  
positive
and found a great forever home where she has a pos boyfriend too-- 
and both times
I've mixed them freely with my healthy, adult cats. As I say, my  
personal

decision. I would not say anyone else should do the same thing.

Sending good wishes to all of you who do so much and for all the  
kitties in your

care.
love and hugs and happy holidays.
Kerry M., mom to Flavia, Caramel, Levi, Snoball--all of whom gave me  
so much in
their all-too-short lives, and are now immortalized thanks to  
Belinda and the
Candlelight Service--Mickey, Momcat, Katyis, Trixie and Tiger, and  
foster mom to

Sally.



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Re: [Felvtalk] strains?

[Gloria Lane]

I've never heard of a test for subgroups but they just have it..

Hey from my baby Shakespeare! He's a sweetie !

Gloria

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  I sometimes wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present 
 FELV's are.  I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV, 
 Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great
  
  
 Hi Gloria,
  
 Do you know if there is a way to test for the strain? I never heard of it at 
 a regular vet, but there must be some way?  I, too, wonder the same thing.  I 
 also wonder if mixing subgroups makes a difference to each others' health - 
 ie, if a kitty with a weaker strain is mixed with a more agressive one, will 
 this effect him?  so much we don't know.
  
 I have a Shakespeare, too!! He's my FIV boy. :)
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment

[Gloria Lane]

Thanks that's interesting , glad to know  that. 

Gloria

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 On the cancer list I heard of a product called ES Clear, it has Slippery
 Elm,  Chinese Rhubarb and a couple of other ingredients.  Several have
 indicated they felt it helped their kitties quality of life--it is indicated
 for cancer, but, mentioning in case it might have general use (since I'm
 sure it's not actually a cure for cancer).
 
 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall.
 
 Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago?
 
 
 
 
 http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f
 elv.html  - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You can
 contact them regarding these herbs; I have.
 
 
 
 http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php  - very basic info on FeLV
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

[Gloria Lane]

Also wonderful to know about-thanks!

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:14 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Betty Boswell is my all time pick.  502-499-9663.  She is in Louisville.  
 Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville.  Susan studied under Betty.  Both 
 have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic medicine.  I drive to 
 Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my critters to Middletown Animal 
 Hospital 502-245-9311.  All of the vets there are the greatest and celebrated 
 when I took death off the table when I took Dixie to them.
 
 Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and Frankfort 
 is a lot closer.   Betty and MAC have evening hours.
 
 If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you.
 
 Good luck.
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
 
 Sorry, hit send before I was ready..,
 
 I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet.
 
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 On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where in Kentucky are you?  I ask because I live there and have a holistic 
 vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office.  She uses 
 supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with 
 Copper, Thomas and Bob.  Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a 
 pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger 
 before they invited them to dinner.
 On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:
 
 Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ 
 cats. I live in Kentucky.
 
 I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I 
 graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned 
 in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for 
 the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later.
 
 He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone 
 all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another 
 FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe.
 
 So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they 
 have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily.
 
 Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. 
 Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject.
 
 Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really 
 appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
 
 ---Katy
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria B. Lane]

A friend of mine has an FELV cat (along with another non FELV cat;  
they're buddies).  She's had the FELV kitty on interferon alpha for  
several years - kitty has done extremely well.


Gloria



On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Andy Domek wrote:



Aggie has had interferon every day of her life since I've had her  
(for 6 and a half years) and has had no noticeable side effects.   
But--she is still alive and happy, so I suppose you could consider  
that a side-effect.   Might also be chalked up to good luck, but  
I'm sure the Interferon hasn't hurt her.   		 	   		

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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

[Gloria Lane]

Impressive! I'd like to know more.

Thanks for posting your info

Gloria

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On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com wrote:

 My cat was diagnosed 2 years ago with the same thing. He went on an 
 aggressive therapy of Interferon and LTCI with good results. He now test 
 negative, however, with being on Prednisolone, it may just be hiding. My 
 story is a very long one, with a lot of history! You are welcome to email me 
 at cstet...@hotmail.com
 
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 On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Sharon Fazio sharon.annfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I want to introduce myself and my very beautiful Ragdoll kitten Kelsea who
 tested positive for FeLV in the bone marrow ( I know it is not a good thing)
 .  Kelsea was diagnose with FeLV about 8 weeks ago.  Right now she is doing
 wonderful on the treatment plan her vet has her on, which includes
 Interferon, Atopic and a steroid.  She was on dimethylgycine to build up her
 red blood cells, she has been off the dimethlgycine for about two weeks now.
 
 
 
 At this point all her all her blood work is normal.  She is putting on
 weight; over 2 pounds since her diagnoses. To look at this little one you
 would not even know she was sick. : )
 
 
 
 I’m hoping someone could let me know anything about LTCI.  I’m not thinking
 about change Kelsea’s med now, since she is doing so well.  I would just
 like a little more information on LTCI. i.e. what kind of success has it had
 in FeLV.  I am also wondering what are the chances the FeLV will go into
 remission if it is in the bone marrow? Kelsea’s vet tell me that the chances
 are very low, but I just need to know if it has happen to anyone out there.
 
 
 
 
 Many Purrr to all,
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'd also like to put in a plug for Zithromax and Convenia.  Zithromax  
- I buy it dry, divide it into 3rds, and mix a 3rd at a time.  
Sometimes 1 day 1 dose will do the trick, especially for kittens.


We've also had miraculous results with Convenia too, but you get the  
vet to give an injection of that.  Some vets aren't into these  
antibiotics - they just use the same old stuff - Amoxi, Clavamox,  
Clindamycin, which are good - but the newer ones can be extremely  
helpful.


You can also use Little Noses 4 hour drops (the nose drops, not the  
saline)  - I'm trying to remember the name of the other drops I've  
used, can't recall it.  But only the 4 hour ones.  I've put on a q-tip  
and squished against the nose, and can be helpful.  Anybody else know  
about nose drops?  Maybe some of the messages I haven't read yet.


If  the cause of the congestion is related to Herpes, of course, you'd  
want to use Lysine orally, which is otc.


Not sure what the homeopathic remedy would be...hmmm.

I've been using a humidifier in my house on cold nights, because of  
the dryness to noses.


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

Little Noses brand salineBut it sounds like you may need a  
heavier duty antibiotic.  What antibiotic was already given?  I  
swear by zithromax but have also seen good results from the Convenia  
antibiotic injection.


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From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:37 PM
As I wrote in my previous post on
mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested.  The
vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory
medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am
having trouble getting them into him.  I have very
limited access to medications or natural remedies unless
they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients.
I read something about saline drops or using children's
Afrin.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thank you,
Melinda and VooDoo


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Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion

[Gloria B. Lane]

just wanted to say also, maybe you could call the front desk at your  
vet, and find out EXACTLY what meds were giving to your kitty... it's  
good to know that.


Gloria


On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I'd also like to put in a plug for Zithromax and Convenia.   
Zithromax - I buy it dry, divide it into 3rds, and mix a 3rd at a  
time. Sometimes 1 day 1 dose will do the trick, especially for  
kittens.


We've also had miraculous results with Convenia too, but you get the  
vet to give an injection of that.  Some vets aren't into these  
antibiotics - they just use the same old stuff - Amoxi, Clavamox,  
Clindamycin, which are good - but the newer ones can be extremely  
helpful.


You can also use Little Noses 4 hour drops (the nose drops, not the  
saline)  - I'm trying to remember the name of the other drops I've  
used, can't recall it.  But only the 4 hour ones.  I've put on a q- 
tip and squished against the nose, and can be helpful.  Anybody else  
know about nose drops?  Maybe some of the messages I haven't read yet.


If  the cause of the congestion is related to Herpes, of course,  
you'd want to use Lysine orally, which is otc.


Not sure what the homeopathic remedy would be...hmmm.

I've been using a humidifier in my house on cold nights, because of  
the dryness to noses.


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

Little Noses brand salineBut it sounds like you may need a  
heavier duty antibiotic.  What antibiotic was already given?  I  
swear by zithromax but have also seen good results from the  
Convenia antibiotic injection.


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From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:37 PM
As I wrote in my previous post on
mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested.  The
vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory
medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am
having trouble getting them into him.  I have very
limited access to medications or natural remedies unless
they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients.
I read something about saline drops or using children's
Afrin.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Gloria B. Lane]

The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems,  
it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp  
that thinks it doesn't matter.  I've seen articles about this but  
sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are  
going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not.


Gloria



On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote:

Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback.  It is  
definitely helpful
and encouraging.  For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is  
Magic and she
is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis.  I have  
three other
cats.  Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they  
were
kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter.   
My biggest
concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2.  She has only  
received her rabies
shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to  
her vaccines
when she was a kitten.  Since she is an indoor cat, the vet  
recommended against

further vaccines many years ago.

The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after  
vaccinating
also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as  
easily from cat
to cat as we might be led to believe.  She told me that it generally  
takes
prolonged consistent contact to be passed.  My FELV+ kitten is  
currently
separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned  
about
accidental exposure to my negative cats.  She also emphasized that  
it does not

survive long in normal household conditions.

I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or  
Friday.  My
husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if  
possible.  I'm still

on the fence.

Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective.   
It definitely

helps.

Thanks,
Stephanie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Gloria B. Lane]

The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems,  
it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp  
that thinks it doesn't matter.  I've seen articles about this but  
sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are  
going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not.


Gloria



On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote:

Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback.  It is  
definitely helpful
and encouraging.  For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is  
Magic and she
is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis.  I have  
three other
cats.  Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they  
were
kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter.   
My biggest
concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2.  She has only  
received her rabies
shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to  
her vaccines
when she was a kitten.  Since she is an indoor cat, the vet  
recommended against

further vaccines many years ago.

The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after  
vaccinating
also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as  
easily from cat
to cat as we might be led to believe.  She told me that it generally  
takes
prolonged consistent contact to be passed.  My FELV+ kitten is  
currently
separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned  
about
accidental exposure to my negative cats.  She also emphasized that  
it does not

survive long in normal household conditions.

I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or  
Friday.  My
husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if  
possible.  I'm still

on the fence.

Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective.   
It definitely

helps.

Thanks,
Stephanie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Gloria B. Lane]

Since all your other cats are negative, I would not hesitate to start  
a process of integrating into the household. I assume you're asking  
since you once had an FELV positive at one time, but as I understand  
that virus is very fragile and doesn't survive long outside the body.


Gloria



On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote:

About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on  
Felv. She
went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week  
later.

She was suffering!
We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested  
the same
day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living  
with

Oreo for almost a year!
To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.

The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday  
evening. Found
him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided  
to take

him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have  
him
tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and  
integrate into

the group in about 2 weeks.
Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small  
chance that

there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!

We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it  
appears to

be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Gloria B. Lane]

Rabies may be not be required by law for indoor cats, depending on  
your local.  Even so, they're not going to come in your house to check  
on your house cats.   For FELV, I've read quite a bit that healthy  
adult cats have a good immunity to it whether they're vaccinated or not.


Gloria


On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote:

Thanks Everyone.  I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended  
over
vaccinating.  Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in  
our state,
we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and  
prior) as they
are indoor cats only.  It's part of the struggle with figuring out  
what to do.



Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't  
opening as much
as the other one.  So we need to keep a watch on that for her as  
I've also heard

treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life.

Thanks again.
Stephanie



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[Felvtalk] OT: 2 cats that desperately need a home

[Gloria B. Lane]

This is off topic, not FELV.  We recently got this from a lady in New  
Jersey, near Manhattan.  Our rescue is in Little Rock Arkansas.  Any  
of you folks in the north east know of a way to help?


Thanks very much,

Gloria


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From: Lindsay Mariconda lindsaymarico...@yahoo.com
Date: December 7, 2010 11:48:56 AM CST
To: savea...@teamfurr.org savea...@teamfurr.org
Subject: 2 cats that desperately need a home

Hi, my name is Lindsay Mariconda and I am in an extremely difficult  
situation right now concerning my 2 cats. I was referred to your  
organization by a friend who thought it would be helpful.
I recently had to move on very short notice to an apartment that  
will not allow cats. I have a 10 year old named Porkchop and a 3  
year old named Cookie that need a home asap. I live in Belleville,  
NJ and all of the no-kill shelters in and around this area are  
already overflowing with cats. And I don't want to place them in a  
non-no kill shelter. I am running out of options and time for my  
little ones.

Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated in this matter.

Thank You,
Lindsay Mariconda

P.S. I have pictures of them both I can send if needed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Gloria Lane]

I'm writing this on my phone so limited on what I can write. But everyone of 
course follows their own heart on this. I've been mixing mine for a few years 
As others do with no problem. I think they hype up the contagion something 
terrible.  I just don't think it that contagious. 

Gloria

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On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Stephanie \(Merkel\) Sherry 
steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV.  My husband and I 
 recently 
 took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our 
 porch.  We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for 
 six 
 weeks now and love her dearly.
 
 At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two 
 different 
 snap tests.  She also recently tested positive on the IFA test.  Magic is 
 about 
 five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining 
 weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl.  For now, she lives in our 
 master bedroom separated from our other cats.
 
 One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her 
 with 
 our other cats if we had them all vaccinated.  She did tell me that the 
 vaccine 
 isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats.  Right now, I do not 
 feel 
 like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative 
 to 
 cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her.  However, I 
 thought I 
 would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been.  
 The 
 vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for 
 my 
 regular vet to come back to work later this week.
 
 Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living 
 in 
 our bedroom.  She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for 
 us, it is something we could manage long term.  I struggle with what is fair 
 for 
 her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or 
 to 
 find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her 
 owners.  If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our 
 other cats as a precaution?
 
 Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be 
 greatly 
 appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Stephanie
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky - fluid in chest - mediastinaltumor in chest

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's very interesting.  Reminds me that there's a Wisconsin  
protocol, which alternates traditional chemo drugs. I noticed it after  
one of my FELV kitties, Mittens, was on Vincristine and prednisone. It  
extended his life, I think, but only a few months.


The link I find is 
http://www.maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm

Gloria



On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Melinda Kerr wrote:


   Stacy,

I am not certain of the exact protocol.  At one time I had it, but  
have long since lost it.  I am in Japan and the American base vet  
cannot obtain the cancer medications.  My Japanese vet has been very  
attentive and so far everything he has done has been successful.  In  
the beginning he made me wait 10-14 days between treatments in order  
to allow her body to recover from the strong medicine.  He does  
seem surprised that she recovered so quickly the first time and I am  
sure will be amazed once again when he sees the results of his  
second round.  Unfortunately, I don't know what he used this last  
time.


She received the following five treatments.  All extremely strong  
drugs!


  Oncovin- 1st treatment

Cyclophosphamide- 2nd treatment
Doxorubicin- 3rd treatment
Oncovin- 4th treatment

  Doxorubicin- 5th treatment


All of this with 10mg of Prednisone per day. (We have since cut  
the Prednisone down to 5mg per day. )


I envy your access to an oncologist.  Whatever is recommended, I'm  
sure will be your best bet!


Thanks for the good wishes.

Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo


On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote:


Hi Melinda:

I am sorry about Fuji's mass but so happy she responded to chemo.  
What chemo did you give her? I recently joined the lymphoma list  
and for Spanky's type of mass (that has yet to be confirmed by  
biopsy) many have success with prednisoline and leukeran and some  
are using ac-11 to boost the white blood cells. I have a call into  
his oncologist/internal med specialist to see what she thinks about  
putting him on the leukeran. He is doing well on the pred - eating  
better and even ran up the stairs today which he hasn't done in  
many weeks.
Purraying your Fuji continues to do well and thank you for sharing  
her story and success.

Stacy and Spanky


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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:11:24 +0900
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

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Stacy,

My
kitty Fuji is almost 18 months old.  In July, she was diagnosed with
FeLV and a mediastinal mass.  Very little effort was spent diagnosing
her, but the final conclusion was lymphoma because of the presence of
FeLV.  At that time, all I wanted was to make her more comfortable.
She responded immediately to the chemotherapy treatment that she
received.  She continued to receive 4 more treatments at 10+ day
intervals over the next couple of months.  During that time she  
showed

absolutely no side affects. The treatments were discontinued because
her WBC count was too low (because of the FeLV) for our Japanese  
vet to
feel he could safely do them considering the mass was completely  
gone.


Since
her last treatment in September, she has had two rounds of  
antibiotics
for minor infections (I took her in for sneezing the first time.)   
Last

week, I took her in with vomiting and discovered the mass had
returned.  Second remissions are supposed to be extremely hard to
obtain.  However, Fuji responded immediately once again to the
treatment.   A week later, she eats, plays, purrs and does everything
she did before.  She definitely acts like a more mature cat, but of
course she is.  We will follow up next week with additional blood  
tests

to see if she can get a second treatment.

I know every cat is
different, but I never expected to have 4+ more months with my baby.
She is still alive and doing pretty good for an FeLV cat with  
lymphoma!


Best of luck to you and Spanky.

Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo


On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote:


Hi Sharyl:
Thanks to  you and everyone on this list for your replies and  
purrayers. .
I'm so sorry about your sweet Albert but glad you had the 1.5  
years with him.




It's been quite a week for us - Spanky went to his vet, then the
internal med specialist/oncologist and was diagnosed with a  
mediastinal

tumor in his chest, thus the fluids. My vets too said a few days only
if I didn't do something. So I put him on prednisolone for now and  
may

do a stronger round of something to try to kill the tumor. But I know
it is dicey with his FELV + status/symptoms.   I can't even think
straight...but have to try to keep helping him.  He made it  
through

Thanksgiving and we are taking it one day (one hour!) at a time.

Purrs,
Stacy and Spanky



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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:49:46 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid

Re: [Felvtalk] another passing

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'm so sorry Michael - sleep soft sweet Queen Lita, 18 years old.

Gloria



On Nov 27, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Second Chance Meows wrote:

tonight we lost our queen, Lita. our very first FeLV cat, she was 18  
yrs old.
Lita started out as Pink at the SPCA. she was the house cat there  
for a few
years, and was given to me after finding out that my chemo had  
failed and what i
had would eventually kill me. This huge torte was a pissy old girl  
and would
hiss at everything. she at her best was about 20 lbs of pure joy.  
she would come
up to you and head butt you to get petted, and then jump in your lap  
and just

lay there.
Lita died at home surrounded by those who loved her, laying on my  
daughters

jacket with her by her side petting her to the end
Lita had been with us for 8 long years and had been treated for  
everything from
Uri's to arthritis, to the starting of a feline form of glaucoma,  
but she held

on and fought for all this time finally giving in to liver failure.

Safe travels across the bridge Lita. you will be missed. thank you  
for making

Second Chance possible

I know i don't send a lot of things here but we here at Second  
Chance try to do
the best we can while running a full house. Please remember that the  
smaller
rescues and homes like us do this from our own pockets. Please help  
the smaller
sanctuaries like ours continue to give love and hope to our furry  
families.


http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows-xmas-fund-raiser


Michael Johnson
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Nephew's FeLV Kitten

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hi MaryAnne,

I'm not as up on the current treatments as others, but have had FELV  
cats and been on the list for quite a few years, so thought I'd share  
some current thoughts and issues.


I've have tried different things with mine, both eastern and western  
medicine. I've used interferon alpha, really believed in that, and  
used it daily, not on and off. The herbal, Astragalus, certainly is an  
easy thing to try, and I wouldn't hesitate to talk with an alternative  
practitioner and try it.


Vitamin C is also a possibility, and I'm interested in LTCI though  
have not used it. The first FELV kitty I took in, I pulled out all the  
stops and tried traditional vet care, acupuncture, herbs, interferon,  
practitioner outside the USA, etc.  I do recommend interferon, have  
used interferon alpha quite a bit, although some say the omega would  
be better.


I've lost quite a few FELV kitties, and now have 5.  But for some  
reason, the ones I have now, have no problems.   But these kitties  
just live with no problems - go on and on.  I have 1 year and a half  
old kitty, Izzie, has seizures also - I used a homeopathic remedy  
recommended by an alternative practitioner, helped a lot but my kitty  
(Izzie) still has occasional seizures.


Keep in mind that the combo (Elisa) test - detects (I think) the virus  
in the blood, and possibly the bone marrow (1st stage, primary  
viremia).  The IFA test tells if the virus is in the bone marrow (2nd  
stage, secondary viremia).  A positive result on the Elisa means that  
kitty has the virus in the blood and it's unknown about the bone  
marrow.  A positive result on the the IFA apparently means it's a  
permanent infection - in blood and bone marrow.  I've read that cats  
can stay at the 1st stage for life, and don't necessarily go to stage  
two...but I don't know much about that.  I'm wondering if some of my  
present cats have it in the blood but hasn't gotten to the bone marrow.


The text that follows is from the Cornell brochure (not that I believe  
everything from Cornell but this seems to help clarify the tests).   
From http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html -


I understand there are two stages of FeLV infection. What are they?
FeLV is present in the blood (a condition called viremia) during two  
different stages of infection:


Primary viremia, an early stage of virus infection. During this stage  
some cats are able to mount an effective immune response, eliminate  
the virus from the bloodstream, and halt progression to the secondary  
viremia stage.


Secondary viremia, a later stage characterized by persistent infection  
of the bone marrow and other tissue. If FeLV infection progresses to  
this stage it has passed a point of no return: the overwhelming  
majority of cats with secondary viremia will be infected for the  
remainder of their lives.


How is infection diagnosed?
Two types of FeLV blood tests are in common use. Both detect a protein  
component of the virus as it circulates in the bloodstream.


ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) and similar tests can be  
performed in your veterinarian's office. ELISA-type tests detect both  
primary and secondary stages of viremia.


IFA (indirect immunofluorescent antibody assay) tests must be sent out  
to a diagnostic laboratory. IFA tests detect secondary viremia only,  
so the majority of positive-testing cats remain infected for life.



Hope this helps in some way - Best of luck,

Gloria




On Nov 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, marasm...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I joined the Group in order to learn as much as I could about FeLV  
because
my nephew has recently adopted an FeLV kitten. I have already  
learned so
much  from the research and resources available through this group.  
I find it
so  valuable and am greatly appreciative of all of you who have made  
this

organization's resources available to some of us Newbies.

I could really use some specific help:

1. Does anyone know of a great Vet in NYC who is knowledgeable and  
skilled
at treating FeLV? I was hoping for someone who combines Eastern and  
Western

medicine.

2. Are there any of the experimental drugs that are on the web  
site's list

that some of you have used that you think are helpful?

3. We have an excellent Chinese Herbalist doc outside of the city  
who  has

helped me with my other pets. Does it make sense to try herbs, such as
astragulus for the immune system under this doc's management?

4. I read the archived info. on LTCI and am aware of all of the  
issues.

But, has anyone had any recent success with it?

I am extremely frustrated with so many of my Vets who just throw up  
their
hands and say very little can be done.  Maybe that's true, but at  
least I
can try to help with food, supplements, etc. along with any meds.  
that might

help. This whole situation breaks my heart.

Whatever ideas, help or support any of you can provide, please know  
that I

will be extremely appreciative

Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

[Gloria B. Lane]

I luv Stonyfield Farms products :)

Gloria



On Nov 22, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Beth wrote:

I always give my cats a pro-biotic with clavamox such as Stoneyfield  
Farms plain yogurt.

Beth
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
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Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:30 PM

That's been my experience often w Clavamox.



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Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea.  he was miserable and we had  
a few messes when he could not make it to the box.  this was from  
emergency vet on a Sunday night.  got another that was easier on  
him, but he passed at the end of that week.  thought about an  
autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse.  buried him  
in my 3rd plot in a flower garden.  i have 4 gardens with buriel  
plots in them.  only plant shallow rooted things there.  then Homie  
came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her  
a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort.   
also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store.  at the end  
of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection.  lost  
the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as  
first ingredient dendrobium.  i was desperate for something to get  
rid of the crystals.  she was retaining urine and would not eat the  
special foods by Hill's
and Purina for this problem.  she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or  
drink much and was trying to go all over the house.  after a couple  
of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the  
first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---.
she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and  
staring at them.  now i am laying in a supply of Feliway.  I  
hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people  
who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had  
nothing to loose.

 Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I  
know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some  
other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin .


Gloria

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Hi:

Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy  
more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him  
up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair  
with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box  - again when  
I get him up and take him near it.  His gums and tongue seem okay  
for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day.


When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for  
him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had  
me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am  
wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just  
in case.  I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml  
and last night almost 100ml  because he's not drinking very much.


In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't  
want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it  
- if it makes cats nauseous.


also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the  
growth in his nose and
his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again  
but at

this point, I'm not sure we will.


Thanks so much,
Stacy and Spanky



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma

[Gloria Lane]

No have not- can you take possibly? Will work on transport if so. 

Gloria

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wrote:

 have you had any replies to this cat?
 
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 7:35:35 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
 
 This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near 
 the 
 Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any 
 options?  They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gloria
 
 
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 -Original message-
 From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com
 To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
 Subject: persian
 
 Belinda,
 I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all 
 have
 been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is
 dumping in  this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a 
 very
 tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a
 broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and
 bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has
 feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with
 leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will 
 neuter
 him and get him ready to go.
 Let me know and I understand if you do  not know anyone. This is a hard one.
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

[Gloria B. Lane]

The probiotics might be a good idea - some good bacteria in the tummy/ 
gut, and certainly providing nutrients.  Might try syringing some  
chicken/turkey baby food too.  Sometimes just getting something into  
the belly helps.


Good luck - sending good vibes for Spanky.

Gloria



On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote:


Hi Tracey:

Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very  
open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well,  
and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs.   He referred me  
to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions  
and see if she thought they were cancerous.  she suggested biopsy/ 
surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try  
the neoplasene.  It did shrink 3 of them after just one application  
but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present  
condition.


He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm  
going to see if I can try to get him into the vet.  I am not sure if  
he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of  
fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and  
you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this.


As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and  
dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at  
all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving  
fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested  
in food.  I understand the importance of a high quality diet/ 
nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat  
something.


Purrs,
Stacy and Spanky
stacy_zac...@yahoo.com

--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM

Hi Stacy,

It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the  
very best
for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your  
vets so

much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the
conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm  
than good,

and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the
underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I
absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to  
keep the
good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add  
to their
food.  I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4  
neg's
who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to  
their
homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it  
really
has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To  
me, diet
is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right  
now,
and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may  
cause yet

another issue. I wish you and Spanky well.

Tracey

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher  
stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote:



Hi:

Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more  
than
normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make  
him get
up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite  
stimulant and
using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near  
it.  His
gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic  
2x per

day.

When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for  
him just
in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off  
since we
did the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should  
try giving
him the antibiotic anyway just in case.  I gave him fluids for  
the past 2
nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not  
drinking

very much.

In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't  
want to
make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it  
makes cats

nauseous.

also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the  
growth in his

nose and
his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but  
at

this point, I'm not sure we will.


Thanks so much,
Stacy and Spanky



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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

[Gloria Lane]

That's been my experience often w Clavamox. 



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On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea.  he was miserable and we had a few 
 messes when he could not make it to the box.  this was from emergency vet on 
 a Sunday night.  got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end 
 of that week.  thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any 
 more abuse.  buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden.  i have 4 gardens 
 with buriel plots in them.  only plant shallow rooted things there.  then 
 Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a 
 shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort.  also gave her 
 herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store.  at the end of 30 days on the pill 
 she is free of crystals and infection.  lost the envelope they came in, but 
 developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium.  i was 
 desperate for something to get rid of the crystals.  she was retaining urine 
 and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem.  
 she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over 
 the house.  after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and 
 by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the 
 ---.
 she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at 
 them.  now i am laying in a supply of Feliway.  I hesitated to get this, is 
 expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as 
 bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose.
  Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I know 
 nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if 
 it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin .
 
 Gloria
 
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 On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than 
 normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get 
 up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and 
 using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near it.  His 
 gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per 
 day.  
 
 When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just 
 in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since 
 we did the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should try 
 giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case.  I gave him fluids for the 
 past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not 
 drinking very much.  
 
 In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't want to 
 make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats 
 nauseous. 
 
 also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his 
 nose and
 his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but at
 this point, I'm not sure we will. 
 
 
 Thanks so much,
 Stacy and Spanky
 
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: FeLV question

[Gloria Lane]

See note below from Natalie - need help with felv mama and babies in 
Connecticut . 

Gloria

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 From: Natalie Jarnstedt ati...@gmail.com
 Date: November 21, 2010 11:05:19 AM CST
 To: 'Gloria Lane' gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: FeLV question
 

 Gloria - I am in Mexico right now, am receiving all felvtalk mail but cannot
 post replies because my email address is not being accepted by the felvtalk
 monitor.unfortunately, they just notified methe question below is of
 the utmost importance and I was hoping to get some feedback on it for my
 friend with the problem (see below).
 
 Could you kindly post it for me. Thank you so much - Natalie
 
 P.S. Although it clearly says that my e-mail is sent from the correct
 address, it actually goes out as gmail from here (not listed as member of
 felvtalk!)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie Jarnstedt [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 PM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: FeLV question
 
 Hi,
 I hope that someone might have some advice for a fellow animal rescuer in CT
 who has a problem, with which I cannot help her because I haven't had much
 exposure to FeLV over the years - please see her note below; any help would
 be much appreciated! Natalie
 
 
 Help.  Do you guys have ANY ideas on what to do?  
 
 I rescued a mom cat and her 7 12-week old kittens.  They have been boarded
 and cared for at the vet hospital for one month, where mom was spayed and
 everyone received shots, deworming, etc.
 
 Mom has tested negative for FeLV three times.  The last two times using the
 IFA test.  Three kittens first tested borderline on the Snap test, then one
 month later tested positive on the IFA test.  One who originally tested
 negative ended up positive on the IFA test.  Everybody has been tested
 multiple times using both tests.  This leaves:
 
Mom - negative
2 kittens - negative
4 kittens - positive
 
 The veterinarians are all baffled.  Recommend to retest in 6 months, and to
 treat the negative ones as though they would be turning positive.  I still
 think the negative ones should be kept away from the confirmed positive
 ones.
 
 The catch is that I need to get them out of the vet, hopefully by Monday,
 and that I have no place to go with them now.  I am possibly looking at
 having to have them all put down which I don't know if I could bring myself
 to do it BUT I don't know of any other options.  Hard to believe in 25 years
 this has never happened to me.  I cannot bring them to our cat house, and I
 cannot bring them into my house.  I have NO place to isolate.
 
 Do you guys have ANY suggestions, ideas, resources, etc  I am without
 options and running out of time.
 Claudia
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma

[Gloria B. Lane]

This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part  
near the Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have  
much time - any options?  They say they're willing to transport... Any  
thoughts or takers?


Thanks,

Gloria


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On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote:


Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on ATT

-Original message-
From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com
To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
Subject: persian

Belinda,
I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians.  
They all have
been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a  
breeder is
dumping in  this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and  
he is a very
tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the  
others had a
broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and  
skin and
bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found  
out he has
feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a  
persian with
leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we  
will neuter

him and get him ready to go.
Let me know and I understand if you do  not know anyone. This is a  
hard one.

Thanks,
Donna







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