RE: EDD overriting paragraph tags

[Lester C. Smalley]

Can you be clear on what problem(s) you are seeing with the TOC?  It's
rather difficult to offer help when the problems is essentially
unknown...

When you setup the TOC, did you specify that it was based on elements,
or paragraphs?

If paragraph formats, then you will certainly have a TOC that is useless
useless the EDD is very good about assigning formats to the elements
based on context rules, and also context labels if you have the same
element (e.g. Title) used in multiple parent containers, (such as Figure
and Table.)  Format overrides may still happen, but as a TOC almost
always reformats the information it is no different than TOCs in
unstructured FrameMaker.

If the TOC is based on elements, you will have to verify that the
structure is correctly assigned to the content. If there are multiple
choices for content of a specific element, it may be that these are
incorrect, and thus what you think should be included in the TOC is not
as it is not the correct element.

Based on the questions you've posted in this list, I recommend you get
some training ASAP.  Structured Frame is a great product, but defintely
is more complex than most authors/editors are familiar with and requires
knowledge to use effectively.  It also is not for every project unless
other requirements dictate use of strcutred files.

On Friday, December 12, 2008 11:13, Adriana Harper wrote:
 
| I am using structured FM. I set up my EDD with font characteristics
| (document = highest level element, all context, font family Arial).
| Then I create a few files, imported my EDD, and the font all changed
| as it should.  But then when I click on that font in the file, it
| all says *Body (as the paragraph format). And when I generate a TOC,
| it does not generate properly (because I think it thinks it is all
| body maybe)...
| Do I need to overwrite my EDD (once it is imported on the file) by
| using the paragraph designer, so that my TOC will generate properly?
| 
| ADRIANA HARPER
| Technical Writer
| Phone: 403.515.3910
| Fax: 403.515.3919
| Email: adriana.har...@solium.com

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EDD overriting paragraph tags

[Lester C. Smalley]

Can you be clear on what problem(s) you are seeing with the TOC?  It's
rather difficult to offer help when the problems is essentially
unknown...

When you setup the TOC, did you specify that it was based on elements,
or paragraphs?

If paragraph formats, then you will certainly have a TOC that is useless
useless the EDD is very good about assigning formats to the elements
based on context rules, and also context labels if you have the same
element (e.g. Title) used in multiple parent containers, (such as Figure
and Table.)  Format overrides may still happen, but as a TOC almost
always reformats the information it is no different than TOCs in
unstructured FrameMaker.

If the TOC is based on elements, you will have to verify that the
structure is correctly assigned to the content. If there are multiple
choices for content of a specific element, it may be that these are
incorrect, and thus what you think should be included in the TOC is not
as it is not the correct element.

Based on the questions you've posted in this list, I recommend you get
some training ASAP.  Structured Frame is a great product, but defintely
is more complex than most authors/editors are familiar with and requires
knowledge to use effectively.  It also is not for every project unless
other requirements dictate use of strcutred files.

On Friday, December 12, 2008 11:13, Adriana Harper wrote:

| I am using structured FM. I set up my EDD with font characteristics
| (document = highest level element, all context, font family Arial).
| Then I create a few files, imported my EDD, and the font all changed
| as it should.  But then when I click on that font in the file, it
| all says *Body (as the paragraph format). And when I generate a TOC,
| it does not generate properly (because I think it thinks it is all
| body maybe)...
| Do I need to overwrite my EDD (once it is imported on the file) by
| using the paragraph designer, so that my TOC will generate properly?
| 
| ADRIANA HARPER
| Technical Writer
| Phone: 403.515.3910
| Fax: 403.515.3919
| Email: adriana.harper at solium.com

- Lester 
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RE: Finding a font

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does this message appear when you try to print the document, or when opening 
it?  The fonts available may depend on which printer is currently selected. 
(and usually will in Windows :-( )

Missing fonts can also hide in reference pages, cross-reference formats, 
table definitions (e.g., the paragraph formats used by default for cells 
contents), and graphic images (such as WMF, EPS or PDF).

If all other font usage are correct, an option is to choose to NOT remember 
missing fonts (file  preferences  general preferences; be sure the remember 
box is unchecked) when you open a document.  This option needs to be changed 
before you open the document in question. Frame will make permanent the 
substitution based on information in the [UnknownToKnownFontMap] section of the 
maker.ini file. 

On Monday, December 08, 2008 09:57, David Spreadbury wrote:
 
| Christopher,
| 
| You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
| 
| Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format
| that is using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or
| delete, the format using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF
| to reflect the font you want (copy a good font entry) and then open it
| up in Frame. All should then be well.
| 
| --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| From: Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Finding a font
| To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM
| 
| FM7.2
| WinXPPro
| 
| A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that
| the 'Times' font is not available.
| 
| How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is
| specified?
| 
| The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to
| search for (of course).
| 
| Regards...Chris

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Finding a font

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does this message appear when you try to print the document, or when opening 
it?  The fonts available may depend on which printer is currently selected. 
(and usually will in Windows :-( )

"Missing" fonts can also hide in reference pages, cross-reference formats, 
table definitions (e.g., the paragraph formats used by default for cells 
contents), and graphic images (such as WMF, EPS or PDF).

If all other font usage are correct, an option is to choose to NOT remember 
missing fonts (file > preferences > general preferences; be sure the "remember" 
box is unchecked) when you open a document.  This option needs to be changed 
before you open the document in question. Frame will make permanent the 
substitution based on information in the [UnknownToKnownFontMap] section of the 
maker.ini file. 

On Monday, December 08, 2008 09:57, David Spreadbury wrote:

| Christopher,
| 
| You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
| 
| Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format
| that is using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or
| delete, the format using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF
| to reflect the font you want?(copy a good font entry) and then open it
| up in Frame. All should then be well.
| 
| --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Christopher Seal  wrote:
| 
| From: Christopher Seal 
| Subject: Finding a font
| To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM
| 
| FM7.2
| WinXPPro
| 
| A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that
| the 'Times' font is not available.
| 
| How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is
| specified?
| 
| The Find>Character Format... does not list Times as a Family to
| search for (of course).
| 
| Regards...Chris

- Lester 
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RE: Page Numbering -- Book File

[Lester C. Smalley]

What are the other pagination settings for the files in question, especially 
1st Page Side?  Are these defined as singe- or double-sided documents?

If your files are set to start in Right-hand pages, Frame will add a blank left 
page to the file before to ensure the starting side setting is honored.  You 
should probably choose Next Available, delete the empty pages, and then 
update the book.

On Wednesday, December 03, 2008 14:35, Howard Rauch wrote:
 
| What am I missing or doing wrong?
| 
| I have a book file which has a number of one-page files. When I
| update the book (i.e., renumber the pages), Frame changes the
| pagination from Delete empty pages to Make page count even.
| That of course doubles the size of the document. I have set the
| pagination at the book level and in the individual files without
| success, in each case using the Power Save before renumbering.
| 
| In the previous version of this book these were two-page files
| and the pagination was set to Make page count even because the
| client wanted files on facing pages. The original book was approx
| 150 pages, so now it should be 75 pages, but it's still 150 pages
| with 75 blank pages.
| 
| I am using Frame 7.0 on a Windows XP Professional platform
| 
| Thanks in advance for help anyone can give.
| 
| Howard Rauch
| 
| Technology Transfer, Inc.
| Linking Creators and Users of Technology
| 933 North 18th Street
| Manitowoc WI 54220
| Office: 920-682-1528
| Cell: 920-629-0080

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Page Numbering -- Book File

[Lester C. Smalley]

What are the other pagination settings for the files in question, especially 
"1st Page Side"?  Are these defined as singe- or double-sided documents?

If your files are set to start in Right-hand pages, Frame will add a blank left 
page to the file before to ensure the starting side setting is honored.  You 
should probably choose "Next Available", delete the empty pages, and then 
update the book.

On Wednesday, December 03, 2008 14:35, Howard Rauch wrote:

| What am I missing or doing wrong?
| 
| I have a book file which has a number of one-page files. When I
| update the book (i.e., renumber the pages), Frame changes the
| pagination from "Delete empty pages" to "Make page?count even."
| That of course?doubles the?size of the?document. I have set the
| pagination at the book level and in the individual files without
| success, in each case using the Power Save before renumbering.
| 
| In the previous version of this book these were two-page files
| and the pagination was set to "Make page count even" because the
| client wanted files on facing pages. The original book was approx
| 150 pages, so now it should be 75 pages, but it's still 150 pages
| with 75 blank pages.
| 
| I am using Frame 7.0 on a?Windows XP Professional platform
| 
| Thanks in advance for help anyone can give.
| 
| Howard Rauch
| 
| Technology Transfer, Inc.
| "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
| 933 North 18th Street
| Manitowoc WI 54220
| Office: 920-682-1528
| Cell: 920-629-0080

- Lester 
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RE: Globally Replace Tag Directories?

[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't know if this is really the case, but 7.1b023 sounds like a very
old release of Frame, not a production release.  Is there any way you
can upgrade to at least the 7.1p116 version, or the last 7.1p158
version?

Check at
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=W
indows for available updates.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:49, Pinkham, Jim wrote:
 
| I'm using XP-SP2
| Clean Import 3.1
| Frame 7.1p116
| 
| No issues.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Nancy Allison
| Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:44 AM
| To: Lin Sims
| Cc: Framers
| Subject: Re: Globally Replace Tag Directories?
| 
| 
| Frame 7.1b023
| 
| Windows XP SP2
| 
| Clean Import 3.02 (the newest version)
| 
| On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
| 
|  Which version of Frame and which version of Clean Import? I've
|  been using Frame 8.277 with Clean Import 3.02 with no issues.
|  I'm also on Windows XP, but with SP3.


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RE: Globally Replace Tag Directories?

[Lester C. Smalley]

mea culpa - Art is right; the last 7.1 update is p116, I confused the
7.2 update p158.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:09, I wrote:
 
| I don't know if this is really the case, but 7.1b023 sounds like a
| very old release of Frame, not a production release.  Is there any way
| you can upgrade to at least the 7.1p116 version, or the last 7.1p158
| version?
| 
| Check at
|
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=W
indows
| for available updates.

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Globally Replace Tag Directories?

[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't know if this is really the case, but 7.1b023 sounds like a very
old release of Frame, not a production release.  Is there any way you
can "upgrade" to at least the 7.1p116 version, or the last 7.1p158
version?

Check at
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=W
indows for available updates.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:49, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

| I'm using XP-SP2
| Clean Import 3.1
| Frame 7.1p116
| 
| No issues.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Nancy Allison
| Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:44 AM
| To: Lin Sims
| Cc: Framers
| Subject: Re: Globally Replace Tag Directories?
| 
| 
| Frame 7.1b023
| 
| Windows XP SP2
| 
| Clean Import 3.02 (the newest version)
| 
| On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
| 
| > Which version of Frame and which version of Clean Import? I've
| > been using Frame 8.277 with Clean Import 3.02 with no issues.
| > I'm also on Windows XP, but with SP3.


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Globally Replace Tag Directories?

[Lester C. Smalley]

mea culpa - Art is right; the last 7.1 update is p116, I confused the
7.2 update p158.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:09, I wrote:

| I don't know if this is really the case, but 7.1b023 sounds like a
| very old release of Frame, not a production release.  Is there any way
| you can "upgrade" to at least the 7.1p116 version, or the last 7.1p158
| version?
| 
| Check at
|
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=W
indows
| for available updates.

- Lester 
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RE: Globally updating x-refs

[Lester C. Smalley]

This works for XRefs that were within the original chapter.  But XRefs
in other chapters pointing to targets in the file being split may still
end up breaking because the target filename changes.

FrameMaker's fix unresolved cross-references dialog will allow you to
point to a new target file for all broken links, so may need to be run
twice (once to fix targets in each of the newly created files) for each
other chapter which references info in the original chapter.

On Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:57, Art Campbell wrote:
 
| What you can try (works for me, but because you didn't post your
| version / OS info, there may be some gotchas involved).
| 
| ON DISK, copy your source chapter file (S-0) to create the two
| additional chapter files (S-1 and S-2).
| 
| IN THE BOOK FILE:
| 
| * Add the two new files in the appropriate place. You now have three
| copies of the original chapter in the book, with different file names.
| But all the cross-refs should still be working. Update and save the
| book file.
| 
| * Open your S-0 and cut all the material that's moving to S-1 and S-2.
| Save the file and update the book.
| 
| * Open S-1 and cut the material that's in the other chapters. Save the
| file and update the book.
| 
| * Repeat for S-2.
| 
| Art
| 
| 
| Art Campbell
|   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers apply.
|   DoD 358
| 
| On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Nancy Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
|
|  Hello. I'm about to break a 70-page chapter into three chapters.
| 
|  Having split chapters before, I know what's going to happen: All
|  of the x-refs to targets in the newly-created chapter will break.
|  In other words:
| 
|  Chapter 4 becomes Chapter 4,  5, and 6.
| 
|  Now, all x-refs to the text that is now in chapters 5 and 6 will
|  break.
| 
|  Is there a global way to avoid this problem, or to fix it?
| 
|  Thanks.
| 
|  --Nancy

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Globally updating x-refs

[Lester C. Smalley]

This works for XRefs that were within the original chapter.  But XRefs
in other chapters pointing to targets in the file being split may still
end up breaking because the target filename changes.

FrameMaker's fix unresolved cross-references dialog will allow you to
point to a new target file for all broken links, so may need to be run
twice (once to fix targets in each of the newly created files) for each
other chapter which references info in the original chapter.

On Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:57, Art Campbell wrote:

| What you can try (works for me, but because you didn't post your
| version / OS info, there may be some gotchas involved).
| 
| ON DISK, copy your source chapter file (S-0) to create the two
| additional chapter files (S-1 and S-2).
| 
| IN THE BOOK FILE:
| 
| * Add the two new files in the appropriate place. You now have three
| copies of the original chapter in the book, with different file names.
| But all the cross-refs should still be working. Update and save the
| book file.
| 
| * Open your S-0 and cut all the material that's moving to S-1 and S-2.
| Save the file and update the book.
| 
| * Open S-1 and cut the material that's in the other chapters. Save the
| file and update the book.
| 
| * Repeat for S-2.
| 
| Art
| 
| 
| Art Campbell
|   art.campbell at gmail.com
|  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers apply.
|   DoD 358
| 
| On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Nancy Allison 
| wrote:
|
| > Hello. I'm about to break a 70-page chapter into three chapters.
| >
| > Having split chapters before, I know what's going to happen: All
| > of the x-refs to targets in the newly-created chapter will break.
| > In other words:
| >
| > Chapter 4 becomes Chapter 4,  5, and 6.
| >
| > Now, all x-refs to the text that is now in chapters 5 and 6 will
| > break.
| >
| > Is there a global way to avoid this problem, or to fix it?
| >
| > Thanks.
| >
| > --Nancy

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RE: adding multiple sheets with the same autonumbered figure number

[Lester C. Smalley]

What you describe is exactly what is possible in a Table using the
built-in Table Sheet variable.

So, if you had a special table format (e.g. Figure_Table) for the
figure(s) which used a title format to create the figure numbering, and
you included the Table Sheet variable in the title, then you could get
this.  Each successive image would be in an additional row of the same
table.

Unfortunately, you cannot save a table format which includes the
variable (or the table continuation variable) as part of the default
table style, it must be added manually for each instance.  Of course, if
you saved an appropriate copy of the table on a reference  or master
page, you can just copy  paste in onto the body pages as needed.

But, you would NOT get all instances in a Table of Contents, List of
Figures, etc. only the first one.

So maybe it can be done easily, or maybe not without custom programming
(FDK, Frame Script, etc.)

On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:31, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| Ok, I have a FrameMaker question that exists beyond partisan
| boundaries.
| 
| FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
| Is it possible to have a command that allows for multiple sheets of
| the same autonumbered Figure number -- i.e., Figure 1 (Sheet 1 of 2),
| Figure 1 (Sheet 2 of 2) -- so that Figure 1 can update to Figure 2 or
| 6 or 100 on all sheets when more figures are added?
| 
| Thanks so much!
| 
| Deirdre

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RE: adding an anchored frame in front of an existing anchored frame

[Lester C. Smalley]

When you click on the first page in the initial paragraph, you are
almost certainly setting the insertion point after the existing anchor.
If there is not enough room on the page for the second frame to fit, it
will move to the following page, but the paragraph and added frame's
anchor marker remains on the fist page.

To insert a new frame before the existing one, simply hit the home key
(or use the left arrow key) to move the IP before the anchor, then add
the frame as usual.  You will have two anchors in the same paragraph.
You may want to use a space (or several) to separate them visually when
display text symbols is enabled. 

If you really wish to have a separate paragraph for each anchor, click
in the initial paragraph, press HOME then RETURN to add a new empty
paragraph, and set the IP into the first one again either by clicking or
with the left arrow key before adding the anchored frame.

On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 16:28, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| I am in FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
| I have a document whose first page is an anchored frame with a
| Figure Title and Figure Number underneath it.  The anchored
| frame marker and a paragraph marker are the first two symbols
| on the page, then the anchored frame, then the Figure Title and
| Figure Number.
| 
| How do I add an anchored frame in front of this anchored frame?
| Whenever I add the frame, it appears on the second page, with 
| no anchored frame marker.
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Deirdre

- Lester 
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adding multiple sheets with the same autonumbered figure number

[Lester C. Smalley]

What you describe is exactly what is possible in a Table using the
built-in "Table Sheet" variable.

So, if you had a special table format (e.g. "Figure_Table") for the
figure(s) which used a title format to create the figure numbering, and
you included the Table Sheet variable in the title, then you could get
this.  Each successive image would be in an additional row of the same
table.

Unfortunately, you cannot save a table format which includes the
variable (or the table continuation variable) as part of the default
table style, it must be added manually for each instance.  Of course, if
you saved an appropriate copy of the table on a reference  or master
page, you can just copy & paste in onto the body pages as needed.

But, you would NOT get all instances in a Table of Contents, List of
Figures, etc. only the first one.

So maybe it can be done easily, or maybe not without custom programming
(FDK, Frame Script, etc.)

On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:31, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Ok, I have a FrameMaker question that exists beyond partisan
| boundaries.
| 
| FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
| Is it possible to have a command that allows for multiple sheets of
| the same autonumbered Figure number -- i.e., Figure 1 (Sheet 1 of 2),
| Figure 1 (Sheet 2 of 2) -- so that Figure 1 can update to Figure 2 or
| 6 or 100 on all sheets when more figures are added?
| 
| Thanks so much!
| 
| Deirdre

- Lester 
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
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adding an anchored frame in front of an existing anchored frame

[Lester C. Smalley]

When you click on the first page in the initial paragraph, you are
almost certainly setting the insertion point after the existing anchor.
If there is not enough room on the page for the second frame to fit, it
will move to the following page, but the paragraph and added frame's
anchor marker remains on the fist page.

To insert a new frame before the existing one, simply hit the home key
(or use the left arrow key) to move the IP before the anchor, then add
the frame as usual.  You will have two anchors in the same paragraph.
You may want to use a space (or several) to separate them visually when
display text symbols is enabled. 

If you really wish to have a separate paragraph for each anchor, click
in the initial paragraph, press HOME then RETURN to add a new empty
paragraph, and set the IP into the first one again either by clicking or
with the left arrow key before adding the anchored frame.

On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 16:28, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| I am in FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
| I have a document whose first page is an anchored frame with a
| Figure Title and Figure Number underneath it.  The anchored
| frame marker and a paragraph marker are the first two symbols
| on the page, then the anchored frame, then the Figure Title and
| Figure Number.
| 
| How do I add an anchored frame in front of this anchored frame?
| Whenever I add the frame, it appears on the second page, with 
| no anchored frame marker.
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Deirdre

- Lester 
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

RE: Two-column layout and large graphics

[Lester C. Smalley]

What you describe is the FrameMaker's only 'automatic' behavior for a
figure that spans multiple columns.

You can also do it completely manually, but it causes all sorts of
additional problems, especially if the content will be edited and thus
may reflow.  If this is absolutely necessary, it should be done as the
of the last actions in the file before publishing, so that the reflow
issues is avoided for this release of your document at least.

To achieve the text continuing down a column and around an intervening
graphic before flowing to the second column requires a custom page
layout. If this is something that happens regularly, you can create a
special master page for the design, but if it is infrequent, you can
simply customize the existing body page.

At the point where the graphic occurs, place your cursor (either at the
end of the 'anchor' paragraph or start of the following paragraph) and
from the Format menu, choose Customize Layout  Split Text Frame.  This
will create two frames, but they are connected by default and remain in
the same flow.  

You can adjust the columns vertical size to open enough space for the
image: select the bottom frame as an object and drag the top-center
reshape handle down.  For additional columns, repeat in each and adjust
the frame sizes so that the upper ones end on an equal horizontal line,
and the lower ones start at the same positions.

Your graphic will be placed STATICLY in the empty space between the
upper and lower text frames, i.e., it no long will move as with an
anchored frame as text is edited/formatted.  It can be pasted directly
onto the page, or if you prefer you can draw a graphic frame first and
place the image within it.  More work with the only tangible benefit
that if the graphic can be cropped by the frame size if necessary.

You will wind up with something like this, where the letters indicate
the order in which text flows (NOT the text flow label - they all remain
the same [typically A] text flow):

+-+  +-+
| |  | |
|  A  |  |  C  |
| |  | |
| |  | |
+-+  +-+
   (graphic)
+-+  +-+
| |  | |
|  B  |  |  D  |
| |  | |
| |  | |
+-+  +-+

As you can see, it is possible, but defintely requires a moderate degree
of effort.  And if the doucmetn is revised, it will have to be redone to
reflect the new location of the spanning image.  To me, it's not worth
the effort except in very special circumstances.

On Thursday, October 23, 2008 18:22, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
 
| Framers,
| 
| FM 8, unstructured
| 
| Thanks all for the anchor tag reasons. Those will help me explain.
| 
| I have another question related to a layout that a client wants to
| use in FM. Their documents are landscape, with two columns (not
| side heads).
| 
| Sometimes a graphic, like a screenshot, is too big to fit in the
| column and has to go across the columns. When I set the anchor tag
| to go across all columns and the anchored frame to align left and
| not be cropped, I can get the graphic to go across the two columns.
| Are there any other methods to get the graphic across the two
| columns? I could not figure any others out.
| 
| After I do that, the text that came before the graphic spreads out
| across the two columns above the graphic and the text that came
| after the graphic spreads out into the two columns below the graphic.
| (This is a little hard to describe. I've attempted to draw it
below.)
| 
| Text before graphic Text before graphic continued
| Text before graphic Text before graphic continued
| 
| Graphic 
| 
| Text after graphic  Text after graphic continued
| Text after graphic  Text after graphic continued
| 
| Is this normal for this type of layout? I rarely use two columns,
| and don't have graphics that  go across the two columns when I do.
| 
| I think the client would prefer that the text in the left column
| continue down the left column below the graphic, then continue to
| top of the right column, then below the graphic in the right column.
| Attempt at drawing that below.
| 
| Text before graphic Text after graphic
| Text before graphic Text after graphic
| 
| Graphic 
| 
| Text before graphic continuedText after graphic continued
| Text before graphic continuedText after graphic continued
| 
| Is there a way to do that in FM?
| 
| I hope this makes some sense. Thanks in advance for your ideas!
| 
| ~
| Linda G. Gallagher
| TechCom Plus, LLC
| lindag at techcomplus dot com
| www.techcomplus.com
| 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
| User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
| WebWorks ePublisher templates
| 

- Lester 
---
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712

RE: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Lester C. Smalley]

Don't forget formats that are not saved in the catalogs, these may
particularly occur in saved table formats, or as captions for objects on
the reference pages.  One of the most insidious and difficult to find
cases in an empty text line object (created via the A drawing tool on
the graphics palette), as these are essentially invisible. Try clicking
in the margin and select all on page (on the edit menu, or simply
control-a in Windows).

Also, if there are images in the document/template, they may contain
embedded fonts and trigger the error message.

If you really don't want these, be sure the preference to remember
missing fonts is off before you open  the file, open it and save, which
will let FrameMaker make its substitution (as seen in the FM console
window) for the unavailable font permanent.

On Friday, October 24, 2008, Lin Sims wrote:
 
| On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| 
|  OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple
|  messages of a certain font not being available so another is
|  substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces
|  that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So
|  I went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of
|  errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked
|  for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text
|  within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character
palette,
|  but not all.
| 
|  So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts
|  are referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?
| 
| Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?
| 
| --
| Lin Sims


- Lester 
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Two-column layout and large graphics

[Lester C. Smalley]

What you describe is the FrameMaker's only 'automatic' behavior for a
figure that spans multiple columns.

You can also do it completely manually, but it causes all sorts of
additional problems, especially if the content will be edited and thus
may reflow.  If this is absolutely necessary, it should be done as the
of the last actions in the file before publishing, so that the reflow
issues is avoided for this release of your document at least.

To achieve the text continuing down a column and around an intervening
graphic before flowing to the second column requires a custom page
layout. If this is something that happens regularly, you can create a
special master page for the design, but if it is infrequent, you can
simply customize the existing body page.

At the point where the graphic occurs, place your cursor (either at the
end of the 'anchor' paragraph or start of the following paragraph) and
from the Format menu, choose Customize Layout > Split Text Frame.  This
will create two frames, but they are connected by default and remain in
the same flow.  

You can adjust the columns vertical size to open enough space for the
image: select the bottom frame as an object and drag the top-center
reshape handle down.  For additional columns, repeat in each and adjust
the frame sizes so that the upper ones end on an equal horizontal line,
and the lower ones start at the same positions.

Your graphic will be placed STATICLY in the empty space between the
upper and lower text frames, i.e., it no long will move as with an
anchored frame as text is edited/formatted.  It can be pasted directly
onto the page, or if you prefer you can draw a graphic frame first and
place the image within it.  More work with the only tangible benefit
that if the graphic can be cropped by the frame size if necessary.

You will wind up with something like this, where the letters indicate
the order in which text flows (NOT the text flow label - they all remain
the same [typically "A"] text flow):

+-+  +-+
| |  | |
|  A  |  |  C  |
| |  | |
| |  | |
+-+  +-+
   (graphic)
+-+  +-+
| |  | |
|  B  |  |  D  |
| |  | |
| |  | |
+-+  +-+

As you can see, it is possible, but defintely requires a moderate degree
of effort.  And if the doucmetn is revised, it will have to be redone to
reflect the new location of the spanning image.  To me, it's not worth
the effort except in very special circumstances.

On Thursday, October 23, 2008 18:22, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

| Framers,
| 
| FM 8, unstructured
| 
| Thanks all for the anchor tag reasons. Those will help me explain.
| 
| I have another question related to a layout that a client wants to
| use in FM. Their documents are landscape, with two columns (not
| side heads).
| 
| Sometimes a graphic, like a screenshot, is too big to fit in the
| column and has to go across the columns. When I set the anchor tag
| to go across all columns and the anchored frame to align left and
| not be cropped, I can get the graphic to go across the two columns.
| Are there any other methods to get the graphic across the two
| columns? I could not figure any others out.
| 
| After I do that, the text that came before the graphic spreads out
| across the two columns above the graphic and the text that came
| after the graphic spreads out into the two columns below the graphic.
| (This is a little hard to describe. I've attempted to "draw" it
below.)
| 
| Text before graphic Text before graphic continued
| Text before graphic Text before graphic continued
| 
| Graphic >
| 
| Text after graphic  Text after graphic continued
| Text after graphic  Text after graphic continued
| 
| Is this normal for this type of layout? I rarely use two columns,
| and don't have graphics that  go across the two columns when I do.
| 
| I think the client would prefer that the text in the left column
| continue down the left column below the graphic, then continue to
| top of the right column, then below the graphic in the right column.
| Attempt at drawing that below.
| 
| Text before graphic Text after graphic
| Text before graphic Text after graphic
| 
| Graphic >
| 
| Text before graphic continuedText after graphic continued
| Text before graphic continuedText after graphic continued
| 
| Is there a way to do that in FM?
| 
| I hope this makes some sense. Thanks in advance for your ideas!
| 
| ~
| Linda G. Gallagher
| TechCom Plus, LLC
| lindag at techcomplus dot com
| www.techcomplus.com
| 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
| User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
| WebWorks ePublisher templates
| 

- Lester 
---------------
Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com   
Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 3

Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Lester C. Smalley]

Don't forget formats that are not saved in the catalogs, these may
particularly occur in saved table formats, or as captions for objects on
the reference pages.  One of the most insidious and difficult to find
cases in an empty text line object (created via the "A" drawing tool on
the graphics palette), as these are essentially invisible. Try clicking
in the margin and "select all on page" (on the edit menu, or simply
control-a in Windows).

Also, if there are images in the document/template, they may contain
embedded fonts and trigger the error message.

If you really don't want these, be sure the preference to remember
missing fonts is off before you open  the file, open it and save, which
will let FrameMaker make its substitution (as seen in the FM console
window) for the unavailable font permanent.

On Friday, October 24, 2008, Lin Sims wrote:

| On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan 
| wrote:
| 
| > OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple
| > messages of a certain font not being available so another is
| > substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces
| > that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So
| > I went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of
| > errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked
| > for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text
| > within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character
palette,
| > but not all.
| >
| > So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts
| > are referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?
| 
| Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?
| 
| --
| Lin Sims


- Lester 
-----------
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

RE: text frame that isn't visible

[Lester C. Smalley]

The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
possibility.

The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
specialized page design needs. 

Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
new page to contain the extra table rows.

I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
- a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
frame.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
 
| Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
| things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
| a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
| have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
| stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
| 
| * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
| mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
| manually.
| 
| * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
| a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
| default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
| checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
| setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
| on.
| 
| * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
| need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
| situations, you want autoconnected pages.
| 
| * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
| contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
| you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
| nested ones.
| 
| * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
| broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
| pages are added automatically.
| 
| Art
| 
| Art Campbell
|   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers
| apply.
|DoD 358
| 
| 
| On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|  Hi all:
| 
|  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
|  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
|  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
|  learn.
| 
|  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
|  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
| 
|  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
| 
|  What does that message mean?
| 
|  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
| 
|  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
|  use a text frame that isn't visible?
| 
|  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
| 
|  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
|  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
|  two other figures?
| 
|  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
|  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
|  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
|  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
have
|  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
|  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
| 
|  How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically
adds
|  a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a
page
|  and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
|  using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
|  master pages?
| 
|  I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
| 
|  Sprightly yours,
| 
|  Deirdre

- Lester 
---
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Information

RE: text frame that isn't visible

[Lester C. Smalley]

Deirdre, 

if you have a paragraph tag (for example anchor) that is very very
small (like 2 point font) and it is set to start at the top of a page,
adding a paragraph with that tag will automatically create a new page
and let you add the anchored frame on the new page 

To me, that sounds like what you want for your multiple images under one
Figure title.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 16:12, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks Lester:
| 
| I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
| the autoconnect box is selected.
| 
| How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
| know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
| up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.
| 
| Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
| Special  Add Connected Page?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| Deirdre

- Lester 
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
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text frame that isn't visible

[Lester C. Smalley]

The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
possibility.

The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
specialized page design needs. 

Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
new page to contain the extra table rows.

I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
- a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
frame.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:

| Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
| things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
| a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
| have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
| stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
| 
| * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
| mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
| manually.
| 
| * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
| a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
| default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
| checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
| setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
| on.
| 
| * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
| need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
| situations, you want autoconnected pages.
| 
| * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
| contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
| you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
| nested ones.
| 
| * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
| broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
| pages are added automatically.
| 
| Art
| 
| Art Campbell
|   art.campbell at gmail.com
|   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers
| apply.
|DoD 358
| 
| 
| On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
|
| > Hi all:
| >
| > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| >
| > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
| > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
| > learn.
| >
| > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
| > message that says "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
| >
| > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
| >
| > What does that message mean?
| >
| > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
| >
| > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
| > use a text frame that isn't visible?
| >
| > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
| >
| > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
| > jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
| > two other figures?
| >
| > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
| > it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
| > frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
| > pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
have
| > just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
| > think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
| >
| > How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically
adds
| > a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a
page
| > and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
| > using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
| > master pages?
| >
| > I could go on, but I imagine you all 

text frame that isn't visible

[Lester C. Smalley]

Deirdre, 

if you have a paragraph tag (for example "anchor") that is very very
small (like 2 point font) and it is set to start at the top of a page,
adding a paragraph with that tag will automatically create a new page
and let you add the anchored frame on the new page 

To me, that sounds like what you want for your multiple images under one
Figure title.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 16:12, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks Lester:
| 
| I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
| the autoconnect box is selected.
| 
| How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
| know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
| up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
| 
| Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
| Special > Add Connected Page?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| Deirdre

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FrameMaker and SharePoint

[Lester C. Smalley]

Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents?  

 

I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so
on. 

 

Thank in advance for any info.

 

- Lester



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Email: 

lsmalley AT infocon DOT com

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Phone: 

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Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents?  



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RE: PDF setup for LOF links

[Lester C. Smalley]

Art is correct about needing to reference a tag that precedes the image
so that the links from the LOF display the target page properly in the
PDF.  We actually were able to convince a client to change their style
to present the title above the image, but as your client rejected that,
you need to handle it differently.

Rene, you don't say how you have the figures inserted in the document,
but if you already use an anchor format then Art's answer may be the
best solution if your figure titles are autonumbered  But instead of
setting the anchor paragraph to white, I would set it to a color defined
as invisible (see View  Color Views) to ensure it does not print.
White text may still be seen/selected in the PDF, and I doubt you want
that.

If the titles are not autonumbered (which I certainly do not recommend),
then I would just use the existing Figure Title paragraph and include a
few soft returns.  Place the image below the first line of the paragraph
(otherwise empty save the soft return), and enter the title as you
currently do after the image.  When you generate the LOF, you will just
need to delete the soft returns from the extracted text, which can
easily be automated even through FM's find tool - just be sure to leave
the hypertext marker!

On Tuesday, August 26, 2008 21:31, Art Campbell wrote:
 
| I always use an Anchor tag of some kind to hold the figure's anchored
| frame and have the properties set to Below the Current Line (of the
| Anchor tag).  The Anchor tag usually doesn't have any text.
| 
| To solve your problem, you could either set the Anchor tag up with
| text that mirrors the Figure Title text, or maybe cross-refs to it.
| Or, probably better, set the Figure Title to cross-ref to the Anchor
| text string. Set the Anchor font to white, so it doesn't show.
| 
| Don't make any changes to your Figure Titles.
| 
| Then create your LOF using the Anchor tags as your targets instead of
| the Figure Titles.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
|  Hi All,
| 
|  I'm using FM 7.2 (unstructured) with Acrobat 7.0 on WinXP SP-2.
| 
|  Our process is: FM generates the LOF from the Figure Title paragraph
| formats, and then we print the book to PS with Adobe PDF printer
| instance, which we double-click to distill to PDF.
| 
|  In the resulting PDF, whenever you click a link in the LOF, the PDF
| page displays with the Figure Title at the top of the window.
| Great...except that our captions follow the figures...so the figure
| title shows, but the figure itself requires scrolling back up the page
| to see.  I had proposed the (potentially offensive to some tech
| writers) alternative of the caption leading the figure rather than
| following it, but that solution was refused by the client, for various
| reasons. (Bummer...that could have been a quick scripted fix...)
| 
|  I don't think Acrobat can distinguish between paragraph formats, and
| I don't think it considers a graphic that has callouts as a single
| entity but rather as a composite of graphics and text-and this is as
it
| should be for most and advanced applications, such as when we link
| between callouts and content relevant to the callout-so I can't think
| of a way to tell Acrobat to 'go to the point preceding the paragraph
| of the link pointer. (Does that even make sense...?)
| 
|  I tried fiddling with the anchored frame by placing it in the Figure
| Title, but I couldn't come up with a way to get it to insert in the
| paragraph and display above the insertion point.
| 
|  What am I missing?
| 
|  Thanks,
| 
|  Rene L. Stephenson
| 
| --
| Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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PDF setup for LOF links

[Lester C. Smalley]

Art is correct about needing to reference a tag that precedes the image
so that the links from the LOF display the target page properly in the
PDF.  We actually were able to convince a client to change their style
to present the title above the image, but as your client rejected that,
you need to handle it differently.

Rene, you don't say how you have the figures inserted in the document,
but if you already use an "anchor" format then Art's answer may be the
best solution if your figure titles are autonumbered  But instead of
setting the anchor paragraph to white, I would set it to a color defined
as invisible (see View > Color Views) to ensure it does not print.
White text may still be seen/selected in the PDF, and I doubt you want
that.

If the titles are not autonumbered (which I certainly do not recommend),
then I would just use the existing Figure Title paragraph and include a
few soft returns.  Place the image below the first line of the paragraph
(otherwise empty save the soft return), and enter the title as you
currently do after the image.  When you generate the LOF, you will just
need to delete the soft returns from the extracted text, which can
easily be automated even through FM's find tool - just be sure to leave
the hypertext marker!

On Tuesday, August 26, 2008 21:31, Art Campbell wrote:

| I always use an Anchor tag of some kind to hold the figure's anchored
| frame and have the properties set to Below the Current Line (of the
| Anchor tag).  The Anchor tag usually doesn't have any text.
| 
| To solve your problem, you could either set the Anchor tag up with
| text that mirrors the Figure Title text, or maybe cross-refs to it.
| Or, probably better, set the Figure Title to cross-ref to the Anchor
| text string. Set the Anchor font to white, so it doesn't show.
| 
| Don't make any changes to your Figure Titles.
| 
| Then create your LOF using the Anchor tags as your targets instead of
| the Figure Titles.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Rene Stephenson 
| wrote:
| > Hi All,
| >
| > I'm using FM 7.2 (unstructured) with Acrobat 7.0 on WinXP SP-2.
| >
| > Our process is: FM generates the LOF from the Figure Title paragraph
| formats, and then we print the book to PS with Adobe PDF printer
| instance, which we double-click to distill to PDF.
| >
| > In the resulting PDF, whenever you click a link in the LOF, the PDF
| page displays with the Figure Title at the top of the window.
| Great...except that our captions follow the figures...so the figure
| title shows, but the figure itself requires scrolling back up the page
| to see.  I had proposed the (potentially offensive to some tech
| writers) alternative of the caption leading the figure rather than
| following it, but that solution was refused by the client, for various
| reasons. (Bummer...that could have been a quick scripted fix...)
| >
| > I don't think Acrobat can distinguish between paragraph formats, and
| I don't think it considers a graphic that has callouts as a single
| entity but rather as a composite of graphics and text-and this is as
it
| should be for most and advanced applications, such as when we link
| between callouts and content relevant to the callout-so I can't think
| of a way to tell Acrobat to 'go to" the point preceding the paragraph
| of the link pointer. (Does that even make sense...?)
| >
| > I tried fiddling with the anchored frame by placing it in the Figure
| Title, but I couldn't come up with a way to get it to insert in the
| paragraph and display above the insertion point.
| >
| > What am I missing?
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Rene L. Stephenson
| 
| --
| Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
|  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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RE: Number of files edited in the Pull Down Menu

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've never heard of a way to change this; it seems to be a limit
hard-coded into the application.

I agree that it would be very useful if the list could be expanded, but
I don't think it's possible.  Maybe the next version of FM will include
this capability.

On  Friday, August 22, 2008 21:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
| Hi, all.
| 
| Can the default number of files in the history the Pull Down menu
| (under Files-) be changed?
| 
| It defaults to the last five files and books, and I'd like to
| increase that number to at least 9 (like many other Windows apps
| can be changed).
| 
| I am using FrameMaker 8.0p277 on a Windows XP SP3 system.
| 
| Z

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Number of files edited in the Pull Down Menu

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've never heard of a way to change this; it seems to be a limit
hard-coded into the application.

I agree that it would be very useful if the list could be expanded, but
I don't think it's possible.  Maybe the next version of FM will include
this capability.

On  Friday, August 22, 2008 21:46, Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:

| Hi, all.
| 
| Can the default number of files in the history the Pull Down menu
| (under "Files->") be changed?
| 
| It defaults to the last five files and books, and I'd like to
| increase that number to at least 9 (like many other Windows apps
| can be changed).
| 
| I am using FrameMaker 8.0p277 on a Windows XP SP3 system.
| 
| Z

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RE: table heading on reference page

[Lester C. Smalley]

Perhaps I don't understand your request, but FrameMaker will not use
information on a Reference page automatically when inserting a table
unless the info is used via the Frame Above/Frame Below mechanism in
specific paragraph formats in the table.  I suspect this could be done
through some scripting or an FDK client application but leave that for
others to verify.

If you mean to create an instance of the table on a reference page, and
then be able to copy it as necessary to the body pages and adjust the
number of body rows accordingly, that is fairly straight-forward:

In your template (or specific document as appropriate) create a text
frame on the ref pages, and paste a copy of the table into it from an
existing example in the body.  Then delete the content of body row
cells, or even complete rows (but you have to have at least one body row
remain), so you are left with a model table which can be copied/pasted
as needed.

On Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:08, Mollye Barrett wrote:
 
| Hi All,
| 
| I need to get a fairly complicated table heading on the reference
| page so that the heading automatically populates when the specific
| table is inserted on the body page. Can anyone refresh my foggy
| memory on this?
| 
| Mollye Barrett

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table heading on reference page

[Lester C. Smalley]

Perhaps I don't understand your request, but FrameMaker will not use
information on a Reference page automatically when inserting a table
unless the info is used via the Frame Above/Frame Below mechanism in
specific paragraph formats in the table.  I suspect this could be done
through some scripting or an FDK client application but leave that for
others to verify.

If you mean to create an instance of the table on a reference page, and
then be able to copy it as necessary to the body pages and adjust the
number of body rows accordingly, that is fairly straight-forward:

In your template (or specific document as appropriate) create a text
frame on the ref pages, and paste a copy of the table into it from an
existing example in the body.  Then delete the content of body row
cells, or even complete rows (but you have to have at least one body row
remain), so you are left with a model table which can be copied/pasted
as needed.

On Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:08, Mollye Barrett wrote:

| Hi All,
| 
| I need to get a fairly complicated table heading on the reference
| page so that the heading automatically populates when the specific
| table is inserted on the body page. Can anyone refresh my foggy
| memory on this?
| 
| Mollye Barrett

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RE: Modify default under line formats

[Lester C. Smalley]

I believe Mark's question relates to character range underlining, and
not paragraph level underlining via frame below options.

One respondent earlier (sorry, can't quickly find out whom) to Mark's
essentially identical question suggested that underlining may be a
property of the font, and thus a custom (customized?) typeface possibly
would provide the capability.

As far as I know, there is no easy way to manage this in FrameMaker
directly.

The only possible mechanism I can see for this is to completely compose
and finalize your document so there will be NO line ending or page break
changes, and then use Frame's drawing tools to overlay a line of the
type you desire on the page before generating the PDF.  This would allow
you to use different line styles (such as dashed or dotted) or colors
(grey) if desired.  You could place the custom underline in a graphic
frame on the page itself, but that is an unnecessary step.  

If this is a critical requirement for your document, then Frame really
is not the tool to use.

On Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:55, Art Campbell wrote:
| 
| Go to the document's Reference Page, where the line formats are
| stored, and modify away with the Drawing Tools or each object's
| properties box. If you want to create additional formats, just
| make a reference frame, name it, and put the new line inside.
| 
| You can also paste a graphic file into a referenced frame if
| you want to.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:21 AM, OCONNOR Mark
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Hi all,
| 
|  Is there any method of creating new under line formats in FrameMaker
|  (to be accessed through the Character Designer), or is there any way
|  of changing the default formats (Single, Double, or Numeric)?
| 
|  Alternatively, is there any way of changing the display of under
|  lines in the generated pdf?
| 
|  We would like to use a dotted under line to indicate links to the
|  glossary, but I can't think of any way of doing it. We're using
|  FrameMaker 7.x on Windows XP, we normally distill with the built-in
|  version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker. We also have
several
|  different full versions of Acrobat.
| 
|  Thanks,
|  Mark O'C 
| 
| --
| Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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Modify default under line formats

[Lester C. Smalley]

I believe Mark's question relates to character range underlining, and
not paragraph level underlining via "frame below" options.

One respondent earlier (sorry, can't quickly find out whom) to Mark's
essentially identical question suggested that underlining may be a
property of the font, and thus a custom (customized?) typeface possibly
would provide the capability.

As far as I know, there is no easy way to manage this in FrameMaker
directly.

The only possible mechanism I can see for this is to completely compose
and finalize your document so there will be NO line ending or page break
changes, and then use Frame's drawing tools to overlay a line of the
type you desire on the page before generating the PDF.  This would allow
you to use different line styles (such as dashed or dotted) or colors
(grey) if desired.  You could place the custom "underline" in a graphic
frame on the page itself, but that is an unnecessary step.  

If this is a critical requirement for your document, then Frame really
is not the tool to use.

On Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:55, Art Campbell wrote:
| 
| Go to the document's Reference Page, where the line formats are
| stored, and modify away with the Drawing Tools or each object's
| properties box. If you want to create additional formats, just
| make a reference frame, name it, and put the new line inside.
| 
| You can also paste a graphic file into a referenced frame if
| you want to.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:21 AM, OCONNOR Mark
|  wrote:
| > Hi all,
| >
| > Is there any method of creating new under line formats in FrameMaker
| > (to be accessed through the Character Designer), or is there any way
| > of changing the default formats (Single, Double, or Numeric)?
| >
| > Alternatively, is there any way of changing the display of under
| > lines in the generated pdf?
| >
| > We would like to use a dotted under line to indicate links to the
| > glossary, but I can't think of any way of doing it. We're using
| > FrameMaker 7.x on Windows XP, we normally distill with the built-in
| > version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker. We also have
several
| > different full versions of Acrobat.
| >
| > Thanks,
| > Mark O'C 
| 
| --
| Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
|  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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RE: Deleting Color Definitions

[Lester C. Smalley]

The extra colors are used in some graphic(s) in the template that uses an 
'indexed color' model instead of a full true color palette.  This could be a 
logo on a master page, icons on reference pages, etc.

If the output is to be grayscale and one spot color, replace any images with 
grayscale equivalents if at all possible.  Or get true color versions of the 
images, which do not add items to Frame's color catalog.

Once you have replaced the images, you either will not see the extra color 
definitions, or can readily deleted those not wanted in the production version 
of the template.

On Friday, July 11, 2008 10:41, Howard Rauch wrote:
 
| Frame 7.0p76
| Windows XP
| I am creating a template for the third version of a catalog that is
| to be printed in grayscale and one spot color. Since the catalog has
| involved quite a number of drafts to establish the layout and has
| gradually evolved over time, it has a goodly number of useless RGB
| and CMYK color definitions. Although these appear to be harmless
| and are, for the most part, labeled Don't Print, I would prefer
| to delete them, particularly since the catalog is commercially
| printed and the printing firm setup crew complains about the RGB
| color definitions. Besides, in my view, they unnecessarily consume
| resources.
|
| I have attempted to delete these colors (View/Color/Definitions),
| but they are not eliminated after I delete them. A message that
| they are being used in the template also does not appear. What
| am I overlooking?
|
| Howard Rauch

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Deleting Color Definitions

[Lester C. Smalley]

The "extra" colors are used in some graphic(s) in the template that uses an 
'indexed color' model instead of a full true color palette.  This could be a 
logo on a master page, icons on reference pages, etc.

If the output is to be grayscale and one spot color, replace any images with 
grayscale equivalents if at all possible.  Or get true color versions of the 
images, which do not add items to Frame's color catalog.

Once you have replaced the images, you either will not see the extra color 
definitions, or can readily deleted those not wanted in the production version 
of the template.

On Friday, July 11, 2008 10:41, Howard Rauch wrote:

| Frame 7.0p76
| Windows XP
| I am creating a template for?the third version of a catalog that is
| to be printed in grayscale and one spot color. Since the catalog?has
| involved quite a number of drafts to establish the layout and has
| gradually evolved over time, it has?a goodly number of useless RGB
| and CMYK color definitions. Although these?appear to be harmless
| and are, for the most part, labeled "Don't Print," I would prefer
| to delete them, particularly since the catalog is commercially
| printed and the printing firm setup crew?complains about the RGB
| color definitions. Besides, in my view, they unnecessarily consume
| resources.
|
| I have attempted to delete these colors (View/Color/Definitions),
| but they are not eliminated after I delete them. A message that
| they are being used in the template also does not appear. What
| am I overlooking?
|
| Howard Rauch

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RE: question about moving around in tables

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can also just use TAB to move to the next cell across a row, then
back to the first cell of the next row, and it will wrap from the end of
the table back to the beginning.  Shift-tab moves backward through the
same cycle.

And there's also alt-control-tab to move downward through a column (and
loop back to the top) or alt-control-shift-tab to move upward in a
column.

I haven't tried it, but I presume you could remap these to the arrow
keys, but then you may lose their 'normal' insertion point motion which
I doubt you would want.  Take a look at the Customizing Frame online
manual (Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, found at C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\OnlineManuals in a typical Windows
installation)

On Tuesday, July 08, 2008 16:54, Paul Wilbraham wrote:
 
| Dierdre
| 
| You can use the shortcuts as follows:
| 
| Esc t m u (table move up)
| Esc t m d
| 
| You can also make changes in a configuration file to replace these
| keystrokes with shorter sequences.
| 
| I have remapped them to F11 and F12.
| 
| --Paul Wilbraham
| 
| - Original Message -
| 
|  Hi all:
| 
|  Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?
| 
|  I'm on FM 8.0 on Windows XP.
| 
|  The arrows don't move the cursor at all.
| 
|  Thanks,
| 
|  Deirdre

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question about moving around in tables

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can also just use TAB to move to the next cell across a row, then
back to the first cell of the next row, and it will wrap from the end of
the table back to the beginning.  Shift-tab moves backward through the
same cycle.

And there's also alt-control-tab to move downward through a column (and
loop back to the top) or alt-control-shift-tab to move upward in a
column.

I haven't tried it, but I presume you could remap these to the arrow
keys, but then you may lose their 'normal' insertion point motion which
I doubt you would want.  Take a look at the Customizing Frame online
manual (Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, found at C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\OnlineManuals in a typical Windows
installation)

On Tuesday, July 08, 2008 16:54, Paul Wilbraham wrote:

| Dierdre
| 
| You can use the "shortcuts" as follows:
| 
| Esc t m u (table move up)
| Esc t m d
| 
| You can also make changes in a configuration file to replace these
| keystrokes with shorter sequences.
| 
| I have remapped them to F11 and F12.
| 
| --Paul Wilbraham
| 
| - Original Message -
| 
| > Hi all:
| >
| > Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?
| >
| > I'm on FM 8.0 on Windows XP.
| >
| > The arrows don't move the cursor at all.
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Deirdre

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RE: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can add this to the wish list for future releases, but FrameMaker
does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.

So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.

On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create
| a new tag.
| 
| That worked for me.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Dear FM Gurus,
| 
|  Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
|  paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
|  magically set an associated condition?
| 
|  Ben

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condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can add this to the "wish list" for future releases, but FrameMaker
does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.

So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.

On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create
| a new tag.
| 
| That worked for me.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
| > Dear FM Gurus,
| >
| > Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
| > paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
| > magically set an associated condition?
| >
| > Ben

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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
platform dependencies) of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:
 
| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
|  This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| 
|  70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
|  90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| 
|  But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| 
|  studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
|  studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| 
|  Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
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Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
"platform dependencies") of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:

| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
| > This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| >
| > 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
| > 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| >
| > But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| >
| > studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
| > studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| >
| > Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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question about overrides

[Lester C. Smalley]

Fine-tuning the layout as the very final step before print is really the
only place where such overrides are acceptable.  Then, when starting the
update for the next edition, import formats from the template (or
document itself) and remove overrides so you are back to only using the
defined formatting again until it's press time.

I avoid many of these overrides by defining a special "Page_Break"
paragraph tag that has a very small (6 pt) font size, zero space above
and large (999 pt) space below.  I can insert this BEFORE any item that
needs to be forced to a new page, and not resort to applying a "top of
page" setting as an override to those items.  Of course, this still
suffers the possibility that added text earlier results in an undesired
'extra' page break. 

If I am reading your request correctly regarding keeping lines of text
together, that is controlled by FrameMaker's Widow and Orphan setting.
FM will not split a paragraph if it has fewer than twice this number of
lines, e.g. if the Widow/Orphan value is 7, then a paragraph has to have
at least 14 lines to be split over a column/page break (as fewer lines
would not allow both 7 widowed lines and 7 orphaned lines.)  The
downside is that you cannot specify different settings for widows and
orphans, it is a single choice for both.

Finally, I don't understand your statement "You can't Next Pgf a single
paragraph" - can you clarify what you mean?  It certainly seems
possible, but would be an override, which you're trying to avoid or at
least minimize. 

On Friday, June 27, 2008 10:42, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Hi all, good morning.
| 
| FM 8.0, XP.
| 
| This is really a best practices question.
| 
| A couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion about overrides, and how
| they should be used rarely or not at all.
| 
| So I thought about that and started to watch our use of overrides.
| 
| We use overrides all the time.  For instance, if a figure would be
| better placed at the top of the next page, we create that override
| (our figure tag is set at Anywhere).
| 
| We also used Top of Page when we want to keep a paragraph from
| breaking over two pages.
| 
| Is it really preferable to create a paragraph tag for each instance of
| formatting?  I'd end up a lot of one-time-use-only tags.
| 
| Also, most of these overrides occur in the editing process, after the
| content has been established and we are focused on making the document
| look professional.  Should I be creating tags as I edit the document,
| rather than override the existing tag as I make layout decisions?
| 
| A second question, now that I'm really thinking about this:
| 
| I'm really bothered by the Top of Page as an override, because if we
| add text to the front end, that override is going to force a Top of
| Page we might not want.  But I haven't been able to find a "keep
| together" option, like Word has for keeping lines of text together.
| Next Pgf is similar, but it works differently in significant ways.
| You can't Next Pgf a single paragraph, for instance, but you can keep
| it whole without forcing it to the top of the next page in Word.
| 
| Anyway, any comments and insight into the override / editor's role /
| tidying up the document / is there a "keep together" issue would be
| most welcome!
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Deirdre

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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Put the sort order info in square brackets (e.g. [aaa] ) not angle
brackets:

$nopagechanging:see also modifying[aaa]

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 18:04, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
 
| A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I
| don't remember how! Under the letter C in my index, under the
| IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see
| also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me
| remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have
| $nopagechanging:see also modifyingaaa, but I am getting the entry
| sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using aaa is not
| working, but I swear I did this before, but using zzz to get an
entry
| to the bottom of a list at all times.
| 
| Help!
| 
| TIA,
| 
| TVB
| 
| Tammy Van Boening
| Health Language, Inc.
| 
| (303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
| (303) 375-0656 (fax)
| www.healthlanguage.com

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Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Put the "sort order" info in square brackets (e.g. [aaa] ) not angle
brackets:

<$nopage>changing:see also modifying[aaa]

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 18:04, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

| A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I
| don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
| IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see
| also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me
| remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have
| <$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry
| sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not
| working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an
entry
| to the bottom of a list at all times.
| 
| Help!
| 
| TIA,
| 
| TVB
| 
| Tammy Van Boening
| Health Language, Inc.
| 
| (303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
| (303) 375-0656 (fax)
| www.healthlanguage.com

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RE: Paragraph Style in Header

[Lester C. Smalley]

To extract information from the body into the page headers, FrameMaker
uses the Running H/F variables in the page headers on the master pages.
For example, the 'default' definition of the Running H/F 1 variable is
$paratext[Title] which pulls the text of any paragraph tagged Title
into the header. There are other building blocks for these variables,
such as $paranum[Tag_name] to extract the autonumber string of the
specified paragraph tag. 

Most importantly, remember that tag names in FrameMaker are case and
space sensitive: Heading1 is a different tag than heading1 or Heading 1.

You can even use a list of paragraphs between the square brackets, such
as $paratext[Header1, Header2] and FM will look for either of those
tags to get information into the header.  If a tag occurs on the
specific page, Frame uses the first instance if more than one appears;
if not, FM looks back to previous pages to find the most recent instance
of a tag to grab its information.  But it will not jump across file
breaks, it will only use information in the current document.  You can
even get the LAST instance of a tag on a page by using the construct
$paratext[-Heaidng1], that is, add a hyphen before the tag name inside
the variable definition.

So, to get your chapter number and Heading 1 text, you might need a
Running H/F variable defined as:
 Chapter $paranum[Chapter] - $paratext[Heading 1]  

(without the quotes) where the initial word is literal text, as are the
spaces and hyphen.

It seems that you have some master pages with the correct header
definitions for your purpose, but that not all the body pages are using
those.  Pages 3-7 and 9 apparently use different master pages that
do not get the Heading 1 text, based on your message.

So you either have to add the desired H/F variables to the other master
pages now in use, or re-assign the desired master page layout (via
Format  Page Layout  Master Page Usage) to the body pages.

On Wednesday, June 18, 2008 06:53, mathieu jacquet wrote:

| Hi all,
| 
| I'd like my template header to be formatted this way: ChapterTitle -
| Heading1.
| 
| Imagine I have a Heading1 on page 2 (let's say Introducing the
| product) of my Chapter 1, then a second Heading1 on page 8
| (Identifying the components).
| 
| How do I get a header displaying Chapter 1 - Introducing the product
| from page 2 to 7, then  Chapter 1 - Identifying the components for
| the following pages.
| 
| So far I have Chapter 1 - Introducing the product on page 2,
Chapter
| 1 -  on pages 3 to 7, then Chapter 1 - Identifying the components
on
| page 8, and again Chapter 1 -  on page 9 to ..
| 
| I'm using FM 7.2 on PC.
| 
| Thank you for your help !
| 
| Mathieu.

I hope this helps,

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Paragraph Style in Header

[Lester C. Smalley]

To extract information from the body into the page headers, FrameMaker
uses the Running H/F variables in the page headers on the master pages.
For example, the 'default' definition of the Running H/F 1 variable is
<$paratext[Title]> which pulls the text of any paragraph tagged Title
into the header. There are other building blocks for these variables,
such as <$paranum[Tag_name]> to extract the autonumber string of the
specified paragraph tag. 

Most importantly, remember that tag names in FrameMaker are case and
space sensitive: Heading1 is a different tag than heading1 or Heading 1.

You can even use a list of paragraphs between the square brackets, such
as <$paratext[Header1, Header2]> and FM will look for either of those
tags to get information into the header.  If a tag occurs on the
specific page, Frame uses the first instance if more than one appears;
if not, FM looks back to previous pages to find the most recent instance
of a tag to grab its information.  But it will not jump across file
breaks, it will only use information in the current document.  You can
even get the LAST instance of a tag on a page by using the construct
<$paratext[-Heaidng1]>, that is, add a hyphen before the tag name inside
the variable definition.

So, to get your chapter number and Heading 1 text, you might need a
Running H/F variable defined as:
 "Chapter <$paranum[Chapter]> - <$paratext[Heading 1]>"  

(without the quotes) where the initial word is literal text, as are the
spaces and hyphen.

It seems that you have some master pages with the correct header
definitions for your purpose, but that not all the body pages are using
those.  Pages 3-7 and 9 apparently use different master pages that
do not get the Heading 1 text, based on your message.

So you either have to add the desired H/F variables to the other master
pages now in use, or re-assign the desired master page layout (via
Format > Page Layout > Master Page Usage) to the body pages.

On Wednesday, June 18, 2008 06:53, mathieu jacquet wrote:

| Hi all,
| 
| I'd like my template header to be formatted this way: "ChapterTitle -
| Heading1".
| 
| Imagine I have a Heading1 on page 2 (let's say "Introducing the
| product") of my Chapter 1, then a second Heading1 on page 8
| ("Identifying the components").
| 
| How do I get a header displaying "Chapter 1 - Introducing the product"
| from page 2 to 7, then  "Chapter 1 - Identifying the components" for
| the following pages.
| 
| So far I have "Chapter 1 - Introducing the product" on page 2,
"Chapter
| 1 - " on pages 3 to 7, then "Chapter 1 - Identifying the components"
on
| page 8, and again "Chapter 1 - " on page 9 to ..
| 
| I'm using FM 7.2 on PC.
| 
| Thank you for your help !
| 
| Mathieu.

I hope this helps,

- Lester 
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?

Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).  

It is not a building block you can extract automatically from the other
files, but simply insert the variable itself in the text of the
'prototype' paragraph on the reference page.

But if the variable value changes in different chapters, the only way to
automate this is to have is appear somehow in the content of those files
(via a special paragraph format) which can then be pulled in the TOC
whenever you regenerate it.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 12:16, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
| user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
| the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
| it.
| 
| Here's the 411:
| 
| We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
| chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
| XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
| XX-XX-XX Component Name.
| 
| I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
| paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
| show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
| delete it by accident.
| 
| Thanks again for all the information!
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
| definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
| it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
| doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
| page.
|
| Art
|
| On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Hi all:
|
| I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
| using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people
have
| recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
|
| I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is
a
| user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
| it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
| building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
| to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could
add
| it there either.
|
| Thanks!
|
| Deirdre
|
| --
| Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
| and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

[Lester C. Smalley]

I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:


If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.  

Then add the $VOLNUM building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
TOC.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
| anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
| 
| Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
| that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
| repair chapter.
| 
| So our TOC will be
| 
| Class Divider Description
| Class Divider Installation
| Class Divider Repair
| 
| Overhead Bin Description
| Overhead Bin Installation
| Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| Lavatory Description
| Lavatory Installation
| Lavatory Repair
| 
| What we want the TOC to look like is this:
| 
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
| 
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
| 
| But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
| 
| You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
| change within each component's related chapters.
| 
| It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
| the chapter and change the text to white.
| 
| Thanks all!

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adding user variables to the TOC

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?

Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).  

It is not a building block you can extract automatically from the other
files, but simply insert the variable itself in the text of the
'prototype' paragraph on the reference page.

But if the variable value changes in different chapters, the only way to
automate this is to have is appear somehow in the content of those files
(via a special paragraph format) which can then be pulled in the TOC
whenever you regenerate it.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 12:16, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
| user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
| the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
| it.
| 
| Here's the 411:
| 
| We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
| chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
| XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
| XX-XX-XX Component Name.
| 
| I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
| paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
| show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
| delete it by accident.
| 
| Thanks again for all the information!
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 6/16/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
|
|> Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
|> definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
|> it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
|> doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
|> page.
|>
|> Art
|>
|> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
|>  wrote:
|>
|>> Hi all:
|>>
|>> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
|>> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people
have
|>> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
|>>
|>> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is
a
|>> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
|>> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
|>> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
|>> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could
add
|>> it there either.
|>>
|>> Thanks!
|>>
|>> Deirdre
|>
|> --
|> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
|>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
|> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|>  No disclaimers apply.
|>  DoD 358

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adding user variables to the TOC

[Lester C. Smalley]

I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:


If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.  

Then add the <$VOLNUM> building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
TOC.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
| anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
| 
| Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
| that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
| repair chapter.
| 
| So our TOC will be
| 
| Class Divider Description
| Class Divider Installation
| Class Divider Repair
| 
| Overhead Bin Description
| Overhead Bin Installation
| Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| Lavatory Description
| Lavatory Installation
| Lavatory Repair
| 
| What we want the TOC to look like is this:
| 
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
| 
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
| 
| But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
| 
| You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
| change within each component's related chapters.
| 
| It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
| the chapter and change the text to white.
| 
| Thanks all!

- Lester 
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RE: table and figure captions

[Lester C. Smalley]

The issue I see is does the resulting structure still validate?

If you have control over the DTD/Schema, you can resolve that problem by
modifying the structural definition; if not you will have to do some
very fancy translation on export (or import), or leave figures as
non-table objects. 

On the whole, I very much like having figures in tables because of the
noted capabilities - automatic captioning, ability to trivially create a
ruling box, and placement flexibility except for in-line with other
text.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32, Milan Davidovic wrote:
 
| On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
|
|  I create a table format specifically to hold graphics.
| 
| Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone
| see a problem with doing it in the former?
| 
| --
| Milan Davidovic
| http://altmilan.blogspot.com

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RE: table and figure captions

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'd amend this caution with the items in the TOC MAY not be in the
expected order: if there are multiple items being extracted from the
same page, FM will grab everything applicable from the standard flow
first then anything in the tables next.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46, Peter Gold wrote:

| One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles
| for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for
| generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM
| collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs.
| 
| HTH
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Peter
| __
| Peter Gold
| KnowHow ProServices

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table and figure captions

[Lester C. Smalley]

The issue I see is does the resulting structure still validate?

If you have control over the DTD/Schema, you can resolve that problem by
modifying the structural definition; if not you will have to do some
very fancy translation on export (or import), or leave figures as
non-table objects. 

On the whole, I very much like having figures in tables because of the
noted capabilities - automatic captioning, ability to trivially create a
ruling box, and placement flexibility except for in-line with other
text.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32, Milan Davidovic wrote:

| On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight

| wrote:
|
| > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics.
| 
| Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone
| see a problem with doing it in the former?
| 
| --
| Milan Davidovic
| http://altmilan.blogspot.com

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table and figure captions

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'd amend this caution with the items in the TOC MAY not be in the
expected order: if there are multiple items being extracted from the
same page, FM will grab everything applicable from the standard flow
first then anything in the tables next.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46, Peter Gold wrote:

| One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles
| for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for
| generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM
| collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs.
| 
| HTH
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Peter
| __
| Peter Gold
| KnowHow ProServices

- Lester 
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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does your colleague have any custom utilities installed?  Do you?

Some tools reprogrammed the formatting bar to show alternative
information, so I suspect the differences between the two copies are a
result of having some third-party tool loaded which modifies to toolbar.

On Friday, June 06, 2008 09:55, Duncan, Gary wrote:
 
| No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
| bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
| tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
| couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
| To: Duncan, Gary
| Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
| 
| You mean: View  Formatting Bar ?
| 
| Bodvar
| 
| On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| 
|  Hi everyone,
| 
|  A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
|  the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
|  remember how I got it to show.
| 
|  Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
| 
|  Thank you...
| 
| 
|  Gary


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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does your colleague have any custom utilities installed?  Do you?

Some tools reprogrammed the formatting bar to show alternative
information, so I suspect the differences between the two copies are a
result of having some third-party tool loaded which modifies to toolbar.

On Friday, June 06, 2008 09:55, Duncan, Gary wrote:

| No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
| bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
| tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
| couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
| Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
| To: Duncan, Gary
| Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
| 
| You mean: View > Formatting Bar ?
| 
| Bodvar
| 
| On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary 
| wrote:
| 
| > Hi everyone,
| 
| > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
| > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
| > remember how I got it to show.
| >
| > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
| >
| > Thank you...
| >
| >
| > Gary


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MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

[Lester C. Smalley]

I for one would appreciate understanding the 'proper' way to handle
numbering in Word.  For me, it would help to fix garbaged numbers in
document I receive to convert to SGML - numbering is an issue because if
it's wrong, the structure requires a lot of manual correction.

If you folks who actually can get it to work, reliably and consistently,
would not mind creating some sort of basic tutorial or simplified
procedure list re numbering in Word, I'm sure a great many folks on this
list would benefit.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2008 09:16 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| Hi Robin/Will (?)
| 
| I use autonumbering in Word all the time and have very few problems
| with it.  I've repaired more bolloxed autonumbering jobs than I can
| remember.
| 
| Autonumbering in Word is fairly easy, once one knows how to do it.
| 
| I'd be happy to help anyone who needs help with autonumbering.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 5/12/08, Robin B White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Jon -
|  Sorry, but I have to disagree. The huge amount of on-line discussion
|  by people struggling with Word's numbering contradicts your
assertion.
| 
|  The only reason that your numbering coup was a achievement is
|  because the Word autonumbering implementation is a miserable kludge
|  that you managed to harness one time.
|  If you ever have to inherit a Word file where someone has bollixed
|  the autonumbering scheme, you will find that the document is
impossible
|  to repair.
| 
|  Pulling off the same thing in FM is, well, child's play.
| 
|  will white
|  vialogy
| 
| 
|  On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 11:46AM, Jon Harvey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
|   Hi Leah,
|  
|   The MSWord numbering feature is actually pretty good once you
learn how
|   to use it. The hard part is just that, learning how to properly
use it
|   because it is definitely not intuitive (read: stupidly designed).
|   After years of using Word 2003, I finally discovered how to use it
and
|   ended up autonumbering a 150-page document with headings six
levels
|   deep (Heading 1.2.3.4.5.6.). It worked great.
|  
|  
|   Jon Harvey
|   Manager, Desktop Documentation
|   CambridgeSoft Corporation
|   100 CambridgePark Drive
|   Cambridge, MA 02140
|   (617) 588-9354
|  
|   -Original Message-
|   From: Leah Smaller
|   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:10 AM
|   To: Frame Users
|   Subject: Re: Framemaker uses
|  
|   I use FrameMaker to write my Feldenkrais ATM (Awareness Through
|   Movement) lessons. I actually tried to write the lessons in
MSWord,
|   but the numbering always  got loused up.
|  
|   The numbering is actually complicated. The lessons generally
consist
|   of 8 main steps and each step has sub-steps. I number them 1, a,
b, c,
|   2 ,a, b etc. This probably sounds simple - easy peasy, use
|   autonumbering, but many times a step can be repeated (once on the
|   left and once on the right). So, I used pgfs for the numbering the
|   main steps and it is wonderful.
|  
|  Leah Smaller
|  Technical Communicator
|  Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner
|  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
|  What you truly learn best will appear to you later as your own
|  discovery. (Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais)

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RE: Long Figure Titles in FrameMaker 7.2 Windows

[Lester C. Smalley]

Apart from getting the author to reduce the title to some reasonable length, 
the only way I can see to handle this is to use conditional text to hide the 
fragments that should not appear in the LOF.  The LOF will be set to HIDE the 
don't include text and all the chapters will show it.

This will trigger warnings when you update or print the files, but you actually 
want the condition settings to be different for the LOF file, so you may safely 
ignore the messages.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:09 AM, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:
 
| I have a document that has very long Figure Titles, but the author only
| wants part of the title in the List of Figures when it is generated. Is
| there a way to do this so I don¹t have to do it manually every time I
| generate the list.
| 
| For Example:
| 
| Example of Clutter Doppler Spectrum Computed from Original Lipa and
| Barrick Code for a SWH of 6 ft from 35 Relative to the Radar Look
| Direction, Showing that the Positive Doppler Peak Due to First-Order
| Bragg Scattering is Larger in Amplitudes than the Negative Peak Due
| to Increased Wave Amplitudes Propagating Towards the Radar
| 
| What should appear in the List of Figures: (as you can see deleted
| text is not continuous in the title)
| 
| Example of Clutter Doppler Spectrum (deleted text) for a SWH of 6 ft
| from 35 Relative to the Radar Look Direction (deleted text)
| 
| Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
| 
| Thanks
| Brenda

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MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

[Lester C. Smalley]

I for one would appreciate understanding the 'proper' way to handle
numbering in Word.  For me, it would help to fix garbaged numbers in
document I receive to convert to SGML - numbering is an issue because if
it's wrong, the structure requires a lot of manual correction.

If you folks who actually can get it to work, reliably and consistently,
would not mind creating some sort of basic tutorial or simplified
procedure list re numbering in Word, I'm sure a great many folks on this
list would benefit.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2008 09:16 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Hi Robin/Will (?)
| 
| I use autonumbering in Word all the time and have very few problems
| with it.  I've repaired more bolloxed autonumbering jobs than I can
| remember.
| 
| Autonumbering in Word is fairly easy, once one knows how to do it.
| 
| I'd be happy to help anyone who needs help with autonumbering.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 5/12/08, Robin B White  wrote:
| > Jon -
| > Sorry, but I have to disagree. The huge amount of on-line discussion
| > by people struggling with Word's numbering contradicts your
assertion.
| >
| > The only reason that your numbering coup was a achievement is
| > because the Word autonumbering implementation is a miserable kludge
| > that you managed to harness one time.
| > If you ever have to inherit a Word file where someone has bollixed
| > the autonumbering scheme, you will find that the document is
impossible
| > to repair.
| >
| > Pulling off the same thing in FM is, well, child's play.
| >
| > will white
| > vialogy
| >
| >
| > On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 11:46AM, "Jon Harvey"
 wrote:
| >
| > > Hi Leah,
| > >
| > > The MSWord numbering feature is actually pretty good once you
learn how
| > > to use it. The hard part is just that, learning how to properly
use it
| > > because it is definitely not intuitive (read: stupidly designed).
| > > After years of using Word 2003, I finally discovered how to use it
and
| > > ended up autonumbering a 150-page document with headings six
levels
| > > deep (Heading 1.2.3.4.5.6.). It worked great.
| > >
| > >
| > > Jon Harvey
| > > Manager, Desktop Documentation
| > > CambridgeSoft Corporation
| > > 100 CambridgePark Drive
| > > Cambridge, MA 02140
| > > (617) 588-9354
| > >
| > > -Original Message-
| > > From: Leah Smaller
| > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:10 AM
| > > To: Frame Users
| > > Subject: Re: Framemaker uses
| > >
| > > I use FrameMaker to write my Feldenkrais ATM (Awareness Through
| > > Movement) lessons. I actually tried to write the lessons in
MSWord,
| > > but the numbering always  got loused up.
| > >
| > > The numbering is actually complicated. The lessons generally
consist
| > > of 8 main steps and each step has sub-steps. I number them 1, a,
b, c,
| > > 2 ,a, b etc. This probably sounds simple - easy peasy, use
| > > autonumbering, but many times a step can be repeated (once on the
| > > left and once on the right). So, I used pgfs for the numbering the
| > > main steps and it is wonderful.
| > >
| > >Leah Smaller
| > >Technical Communicator
| > >Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner
| > >leah at compulite.com
| > >
| > >"What you truly learn best will appear to you later as your own
| > >discovery." (Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais)

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Long Figure Titles in FrameMaker 7.2 Windows

[Lester C. Smalley]

Apart from getting the author to reduce the title to some reasonable length, 
the only way I can see to handle this is to use conditional text to hide the 
fragments that should not appear in the LOF.  The LOF will be set to HIDE the 
"don't include" text and all the chapters will show it.

This will trigger warnings when you update or print the files, but you actually 
want the condition settings to be different for the LOF file, so you may safely 
ignore the messages.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:09 AM, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:

| I have a document that has very long Figure Titles, but the author only
| wants part of the title in the List of Figures when it is generated. Is
| there a way to do this so I don?t have to do it manually every time I
| generate the list.
| 
| For Example:
| 
| Example of Clutter Doppler Spectrum Computed from Original Lipa and
| Barrick Code for a SWH of 6 ft from 35 Relative to the Radar Look
| Direction, Showing that the Positive Doppler Peak Due to First-Order
| Bragg Scattering is Larger in Amplitudes than the Negative Peak Due
| to Increased Wave Amplitudes Propagating Towards the Radar
| 
| What should appear in the List of Figures: (as you can see deleted
| text is not continuous in the title)
| 
| Example of Clutter Doppler Spectrum (deleted text) for a SWH of 6 ft
| from 35 Relative to the Radar Look Direction (deleted text)
| 
| Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
| 
| Thanks
| Brenda

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RE: Structure to non-structure.

[Lester C. Smalley]

While not totally crazy nor the optimal way to proceed, but it certainly is 
possible, and very easy.

You don't say which version of FM you're using, but in FM 7.2 it is the last 
entry on the Special menu - Remove Structure from Flow

I would save the resulting 'flat file' to a different name so you may continue 
to develop the structured version, and if necessary flatten it again to update 
the TOC, Index, etc.

On Friday, May 02, 2008 07:58 AM, Harold Winberg wrote:
 
| Hello Framers.
| 
| Think me nuts but is there an easy way to convert a structured document
| to non-structured?
| 
| The original doc was converted directly from Word to structured.
| 
| The reason I am asking is that I am involved in a panic project where
| we might not have a working structured document by the time the TOC 
| and index are due.
| 
| My plan is to use a non-structured doc with para tags to make Index and
| TOC. I will have a very good draft and can adjust if we have a problem
| at the end.
| 
| I know this sounds insane but I have learned that it works and it gives
| time to develop a good index before the last day of the project.
| 
| Thanks
| 
| 
| Les.

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Structure to non-structure.

[Lester C. Smalley]

While not totally crazy nor the optimal way to proceed, but it certainly is 
possible, and very easy.

You don't say which version of FM you're using, but in FM 7.2 it is the last 
entry on the "Special" menu - Remove Structure from Flow

I would save the resulting 'flat file' to a different name so you may continue 
to develop the structured version, and if necessary flatten it again to update 
the TOC, Index, etc.

On Friday, May 02, 2008 07:58 AM, Harold Winberg wrote:

| Hello Framers.
| 
| Think me nuts but is there an easy way to convert a structured document
| to non-structured?
| 
| The original doc was converted directly from Word to structured.
| 
| The reason I am asking is that I am involved in a panic project where
| we might not have a working structured document by the time the TOC 
| and index are due.
| 
| My plan is to use a non-structured doc with para tags to make Index and
| TOC. I will have a very good draft and can adjust if we have a problem
| at the end.
| 
| I know this sounds insane but I have learned that it works and it gives
| time to develop a good index before the last day of the project.
| 
| Thanks
| 
| 
| Les.

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Learning curve for FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy
it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it
clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about
master pages; reference pages; generating and formatting Tables of
Contents, Indices, Lists of   Of course, features added later won't
be covered, but the background understanding this provides is fantastic.

FM 5.5 also included a fairly substantial manual (but it was slightly
smaller than the 5.0 edition) and subsequent versions have been
progressively smaller with more info moved to online help - but that
often means you must understand how the creator chose to indentify and
index it.  While that is also true for the books, information always
seemed readily accessible in the paper copies to me.

On Tuesday, April 29, 2008 09:41 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

| At 08:25 -0500 29/4/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
| 
| > So, for me, the curve is fairly steep.  For what it's worth, I'm
| > now (four months into it) considered the office expert, even though
| > three other people have been using it longer than I have.
| 
| Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's book 'FrameMaker 7: Publishing
| Fundamentals' is a worthwhile investment in my view.
| 
| --
| Steve


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RE: Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical
alignment capability.  

But there are a few cautions: 

- the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue
  depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header
  content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is
  tall enough)

- a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame
  that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting
  BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above
  the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph.
  E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space
  below the para and space above the table to -2 points.  OR you can
  play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it 
  closer to the top paper edge.  Or both 

On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: 
 
| Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it
| for more design flexibility:
| 
|  - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
|headers/footers on a colored background.
|  - You can control the distance between both columns by playing
|with the default cell margins.
|  - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
|  - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
|text becomes longer.
| 
| Kind regards
| 
| --
| Yves Barbion
| Documentation Architect
| Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
| Scripto
| Belgium


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Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical
alignment capability.  

But there are a few cautions: 

- the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue
  depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header
  content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is
  tall enough)

- a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame
  that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting
  BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above
  the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph.
  E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space
  below the para and space above the table to -2 points.  OR you can
  play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it 
  closer to the top paper edge.  Or both 

On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: 

| Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it
| for more design flexibility:
| 
|  - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
|headers/footers on a colored background.
|  - You can control the distance between both columns by playing
|with the default cell margins.
|  - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
|  - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
|text becomes longer.
| 
| Kind regards
| 
| --
| Yves Barbion
| Documentation Architect
| Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
| Scripto
| Belgium


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RE: Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
|  I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
|  running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
|  and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
|  manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
|  last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
|  to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| 
|  Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
|yadda yadda yadda
| 
|  but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
|  come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
|  disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
|  chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
|  in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| 
|  Your wisdom and guidance, please  thanks.
| 
|  --
|  Milan Davidovic
|  http://altmilan.blogspot.com
|  http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

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Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
| > I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
| > running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
| > and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
| > manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
| > last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
| > to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| >
| > Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
| >   yadda yadda yadda
| >
| > but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
| > come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
| > disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
| > chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
| > in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| >
| > Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
| >
| > --
| > Milan Davidovic
| > http://altmilan.blogspot.com
| > http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

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RE: justification in structured FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

Cindy -

How is your EDD setup for the Ref element and its sub-elements?  Are
they defined as paragraphs or text ranges?  Do you have inherited
formatting, or do you specify defined paragraph and/or character styles?


Because formatting is the realm of the EDD, it is more far more
important to know its content than the XML structure to be able to
answer this question.

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On Wednesday, April 16, 2008, Cindy Maisannes wrote:
 
| I have a question I'm hoping someone can help with.  We are using
| structured FM 7.0 to format our XML files for print publication.
| The files occasionally contain a bibliographical reference, for
| example, containing a group of XML tags such as:
| 
|  ref id=R2
|citation citation-type=journal xlink:type=simple
|  person-group person-group-type=author
|name name-style=western
|  surnameAnson/surname
|  given-namesMark J.P./given-names
|/name
|  /person-group
|  year2008/year
|  article-titleThe Beta Continuum/article-title
|  sourceJournal of Portfolio Management/source
|  volume34/volume
|  issue2/issue
|  monthWinter/month
|  fpage53/fpage
|  lpage64/lpage
|/citation
|  /ref
| 
| The problem is that we need the reference to be fully justified in
| print; however, FrameMaker seems to only want to full justify within
| each individual tag (so the text inside article-title would be
| justified, and the text inside source would be justified, but if
| those two text elements happened to occur on the same line together,
| the justification would not be equally spaced across them). 
| 
| Is there a way of applying full justification for everything inside
|  ref.../ref?
| 
| Thanks for any help -
| 
| 
| Cindy
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[Lester C. Smalley]

Cindy -

How is your EDD setup for the Ref element and its sub-elements?  Are
they defined as paragraphs or text ranges?  Do you have inherited
formatting, or do you specify defined paragraph and/or character styles?


Because formatting is the realm of the EDD, it is more far more
important to know its content than the XML structure to be able to
answer this question.

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On Wednesday, April 16, 2008, Cindy Maisannes wrote:

| I have a question I'm hoping someone can help with.  We are using
| structured FM 7.0 to format our XML files for print publication.
| The files occasionally contain a bibliographical reference, for
| example, containing a group of XML tags such as:
| 
|  
|
|  
|
|  Anson
|  Mark J.P.
|
|  
|  2008
|  The Beta Continuum
|  Journal of Portfolio Management
|  34
|  2
|  Winter
|  53
|  64
|
|  
| 
| The problem is that we need the reference to be fully justified in
| print; however, FrameMaker seems to only want to full justify within
| each individual tag (so the text inside  would be
| justified, and the text inside  would be justified, but if
| those two text elements happened to occur on the same line together,
| the justification would not be equally spaced across them). 
| 
| Is there a way of applying full justification for everything inside
|  ...?
| 
| Thanks for any help -
| 
| 
| Cindy

Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

I believe I know the answer to this already, but wanted to confirm with
folks here.

FM 7.2 (Structured) and Acrobat 7 Pro on Windows XP, both up-to-date on
patches.
PDF's are generated by printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer
instance.

I have an issue where information must appear at the original native
size even when printed, yet many reader's copy of the viewer will scale
the page when actually printing it.  I know that I can tell the
recipients to change the print option in their copy to not scale or
center the pages, but I would love to avoid that necessity if at all
possible.

Is there any way to set options for printing the resulting PDF in what I
create, either from FM or in Acrobat before I share the PDF with the
reviewers and end users ?  

Any advice or solutions will be greatly appreciated.


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RE: Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

Precisely - there is a physical layout diagram that must print at the exact 
size.  I could care less if they want to scale the VIEW of the PDF online, but 
it has to print correctly.

To my mind, making PDF arbitrarily scalable is the off-beat.  I want to create 
an electronic version that exactly mimics the original printed version.

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| -Original Message-
| From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 04:48 PM
| To: Jacob Schäffer
| Cc: Lester C. Smalley; framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: Acrobat Options...
| 
| Not to step on Lester's toes at all, but we recently had the same
| experience, setting up installation manuals for lighting fixture
| installations.
| 
| We wanted to include a full size template in the manual that an
| installer could use to drill mounting holes for the fixture. But if
| the PDF document was resized at all during printing, the drilling
| template wouldn't be accurate.
| 
| So it's not an uncommon request.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Jacob Schäffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
|  I'd like to hear why you want that.
| 
|   The PDF format itself is quite scalable and putting some unscaleable
| elements into it seem a bit offset from the understandable.
| 
|   Please explain your purpose.
| 
|   Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
|   Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
|   Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
|   DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
|   Phone: +45 4439 4400
|   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   Web: www.grafikhuset.net
| 
|   -Oprindelig meddelelse-
|   Fra: Lester C. Smalley
|   Sendt: 27. marts 2008 18:01
|   Til: framers@lists.frameusers.com
|   Emne: Acrobat Options...
|  
|   I believe I know the answer to this already, but wanted to
|   confirm with folks here.
|  
|   FM 7.2 (Structured) and Acrobat 7 Pro on Windows XP, both
|   up-to-date on patches. PDF's are generated by printing to the
|   Adobe PDF virtual printer instance.
|  
|   I have an issue where information must appear at the original
|   native size even when printed, yet many reader's copy of the
|   viewer will scale the page when actually printing it.  I know
|   that I can tell the recipients to change the print option in
|   their copy to not scale or center the pages, but I would love
|   to avoid that necessity if at all possible.
|  
|   Is there any way to set options for printing the resulting
|   PDF in what I create, either from FM or in Acrobat before I
|   share the PDF with the reviewers and end users ?
|  
|   Any advice or solutions will be greatly appreciated.
|  
|  
|   - Lester
|   ---
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|   Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
|   Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com
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| 
| --
| Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358
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RE: Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

Jacob, 

I actually agree with you.  But to make my situation clear, it is not a vendor 
(as in a print house or service bureau) taking the PDF and generating hard-copy 
pages from it, rather it is individual users who get the document, print it and 
over whom I have no control.  

That being said, I do wish there were a way to disable for this document (or 
even only the one specific page) the Acrobat option to scale the pages to fit 
the user's chosen output device and instead print the page at the exact 
original size.  Unless the printer is set up with very small paper, the 
included diagram will print at 100% original size and not suffer clipping at 
the margins, as it is approx 5.75 x 7.25 and centered on a standard US Letter 
(8.5 x 11 inch) page in the PDF.

But as the different users' output device may have different print 
regions/physical margins, the default in Acrobat is to scale the US Letter page 
to fit within the printable area, which distorts the dimensions and makes the 
layout diagram functionally useless.

To end this discussion: it appears there is no option which can absolutely 
enforce this behavior in Acrobat.  The best suggestion is to include an 
accurate scale and/or dimensions along with the diagram, and let the user make 
adjustments to correct for the printer scaling the output if they did not 
follow the other instructions to turn off the scaling in the viewer when 
printing this file.

I will see what Richard Comb's and Shlomo Peret's reported as a option for 
Acrobat 7 that may help, and especially the idea of a pop-up message via 
JavaScript upon printing.  But the PDF is (currently) designed for use by all 
versions of Acrobat.  Of course, it would not be the worst thing in the world 
if user's had to get the latest version of the reader...

- Lester 
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| -Original Message-
| From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 05:42 PM
| To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Cc: Art Campbell; Lester C. Smalley
| Subject: SV: Acrobat Options...
| 
| Perhaps I missed something important in regard to the PDF-format, so I
| have to make my point clear.
| 
| PDF is itself a VERY accurate format. A PDF document is NOT itself
| scaled to ANY extend. So, why this request at all. I simply don't
| understand it, UNLESS you ASSUME the PDF is output via a print channel.
| In that case your bets are extremely poor, since it actually IS allowed
| -- by concept -- to scale ANY document, by ANY application or printer
| driver, at print time.
| 
| I certainly hope that Adobe is reasonable enough to NOT implement any
| feature into the PDF format that disallow scaling at print time.
| 
| Vendors that accept PDF documents for purpose-specific subsequent
| processing should accept to process native PDF documents as they are.
| If they cannot do that -- for whatever reason, though likely because
| they do not have modern equipment -- they should be wise enough to NOT
| apply scaling in any way at print time. Anything else, for any post-
| process, would be their own responsibility.
| 
| Hence, the request from Lester would not have any meaning at all UNLESS
| Lester doubt about his vendor-capabilities. If so, find another vendor,
| or teach him what to do :-)
| 
| 
| Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
| Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
| Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
| DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
| Phone: +45 4439 4400
| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Web: www.grafikhuset.net
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Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

I believe I know the answer to this already, but wanted to confirm with
folks here.

FM 7.2 (Structured) and Acrobat 7 Pro on Windows XP, both up-to-date on
patches.
PDF's are generated by printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer
instance.

I have an issue where information must appear at the original native
size even when printed, yet many reader's copy of the viewer will scale
the page when actually printing it.  I know that I can tell the
recipients to change the print option in their copy to not scale or
center the pages, but I would love to avoid that necessity if at all
possible.

Is there any way to set options for printing the resulting PDF in what I
create, either from FM or in Acrobat before I share the PDF with the
reviewers and end users ?  

Any advice or solutions will be greatly appreciated.


- Lester 
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Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

Precisely - there is a physical layout diagram that must print at the exact 
size.  I could care less if they want to scale the VIEW of the PDF online, but 
it has to print correctly.

To my mind, making PDF arbitrarily scalable is the off-beat.  I want to create 
an electronic version that exactly mimics the original printed version.

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| -Original Message-
| From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
| Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 04:48 PM
| To: Jacob Sch?ffer
| Cc: Lester C. Smalley; framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: Acrobat Options...
| 
| Not to step on Lester's toes at all, but we recently had the same
| experience, setting up installation manuals for lighting fixture
| installations.
| 
| We wanted to include a full size template in the manual that an
| installer could use to drill mounting holes for the fixture. But if
| the PDF document was resized at all during printing, the drilling
| template wouldn't be accurate.
| 
| So it's not an uncommon request.
| 
| Art
| 
| On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Jacob Sch?ffer 
| wrote:
| > I'd like to hear why you want that.
| >
| >  The PDF format itself is quite scalable and putting some unscaleable
| elements into it seem a bit offset from the understandable.
| >
| >  Please explain your purpose.
| >
| >  Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
| >  Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer
| >  Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
| >  DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
| >  Phone: +45 4439 4400
| >  Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
| >  Web: www.grafikhuset.net
| >
| > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-
| > > Fra: Lester C. Smalley
| > > Sendt: 27. marts 2008 18:01
| > > Til: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| > > Emne: Acrobat Options...
| > >
| > > I believe I know the answer to this already, but wanted to
| > > confirm with folks here.
| > >
| > > FM 7.2 (Structured) and Acrobat 7 Pro on Windows XP, both
| > > up-to-date on patches. PDF's are generated by printing to the
| > > Adobe PDF virtual printer instance.
| > >
| > > I have an issue where information must appear at the original
| > > native size even when printed, yet many reader's copy of the
| > > viewer will scale the page when actually printing it.  I know
| > > that I can tell the recipients to change the print option in
| > > their copy to not scale or center the pages, but I would love
| > > to avoid that necessity if at all possible.
| > >
| > > Is there any way to set options for printing the resulting
| > > PDF in what I create, either from FM or in Acrobat before I
| > > share the PDF with the reviewers and end users ?
| > >
| > > Any advice or solutions will be greatly appreciated.
| > >
| > >
| > > - Lester
| > > ---
| > > Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com
| > > Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
| > > Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com
| > > ---
| 
| --
| Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
|  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
| and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

Acrobat Options...

[Lester C. Smalley]

Jacob, 

I actually agree with you.  But to make my situation clear, it is not a vendor 
(as in a print house or service bureau) taking the PDF and generating hard-copy 
pages from it, rather it is individual users who get the document, print it and 
over whom I have no control.  

That being said, I do wish there were a way to disable for this document (or 
even only the one specific page) the Acrobat option to scale the pages to fit 
the user's chosen output device and instead print the page at the exact 
original size.  Unless the printer is set up with very small paper, the 
included diagram will print at 100% original size and not suffer clipping at 
the margins, as it is approx 5.75" x 7.25" and centered on a standard US Letter 
(8.5 x 11 inch) page in the PDF.

But as the different users' output device may have different print 
regions/physical margins, the default in Acrobat is to scale the US Letter page 
to fit within the printable area, which distorts the dimensions and makes the 
layout diagram functionally useless.

To end this discussion: it appears there is no option which can absolutely 
enforce this behavior in Acrobat.  The best suggestion is to include an 
accurate scale and/or dimensions along with the diagram, and let the user make 
adjustments to correct for the printer scaling the output if they did not 
follow the other instructions to turn off the scaling in the viewer when 
printing this file.

I will see what Richard Comb's and Shlomo Peret's reported as a option for 
Acrobat 7 that may help, and especially the idea of a pop-up message via 
JavaScript upon printing.  But the PDF is (currently) designed for use by all 
versions of Acrobat.  Of course, it would not be the worst thing in the world 
if user's had to get the latest version of the reader...

- Lester 
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| -Original Message-
| From: Jacob Sch?ffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk]
| Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 05:42 PM
| To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Cc: Art Campbell; Lester C. Smalley
| Subject: SV: Acrobat Options...
| 
| Perhaps I missed something important in regard to the PDF-format, so I
| have to make my point clear.
| 
| PDF is itself a VERY accurate format. A PDF document is NOT itself
| scaled to ANY extend. So, why this request at all. I simply don't
| understand it, UNLESS you ASSUME the PDF is output via a print channel.
| In that case your bets are extremely poor, since it actually IS allowed
| -- by concept -- to scale ANY document, by ANY application or printer
| driver, at print time.
| 
| I certainly hope that Adobe is reasonable enough to NOT implement any
| feature into the PDF format that disallow scaling at print time.
| 
| Vendors that accept PDF documents for purpose-specific subsequent
| processing should accept to process native PDF documents as they are.
| If they cannot do that -- for whatever reason, though likely because
| they do not have modern equipment -- they should be wise enough to NOT
| apply scaling in any way at print time. Anything else, for any post-
| process, would be their own responsibility.
| 
| Hence, the request from Lester would not have any meaning at all UNLESS
| Lester doubt about his vendor-capabilities. If so, find another vendor,
| or teach him what to do :-)
| 
| 
| Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
| Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer
| Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
| DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
| Phone: +45 4439 4400
| Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
| Web: www.grafikhuset.net

RE: question about Figure # s

[Lester C. Smalley]

Deirdre -

Frankly, this sounds like an enormous pain, both to maintain and to
extend, as you've discovered.  It also helps this list give you the best
advice and targeted suggestions when you tell us the platform (e.g.
Windows, Mac) and version of Frame (FM 6, FM 7.2, FM 8,...) and whether
this is structured or unstructured.

The key is your statement created new tags...  Because the first
figure uses a new tag, and the subsequent ones use an existing tag, the
first is not automatically included when you generate/update the LOF and
the others are.

You will have to add the new tag to the list of figures by setting up
the LOF again, and adding to the list of tags to be included those that
you added on Chapter 5000.  This would be the tag in the new chapter
file, such as Figure #, 5001 and not Figure #, 5001LOF - FM will
create that on the reference page of the LOF.  You can add the tags by
right-clicking on the List of Figures file in the book window and
selecting Setup List of Figures.  In the dialog window that appears,
move the desired Figure # tag from the Don't Include list (right
side) to the Include list (left side).

You will also have to be sure the newly added items (xxxLOF tags in the
List of Figures file) are formatted properly on the LOF reference page,
mirroring the building blocks and style of other 'figure' tags).

Back to my earlier enormous pain comment:

You should not have to create new tags whenever you add a new chapter
but instead use the existing tags in the template (e.g., Figure #)
These should be the same tag name in all files, but may have format
overrides for the first instance to set the figure number as needed.  Of
course, you will have to NOT remove format overrides if you ever import
an updated template into the chapters or else will need to redo the
format override.  Or at use a pair of tags, Figure_1 and Figure and
DO NOT have the Figure_1 tag in your template.  Then you would be able
to update all other tags and remove overrides by importing the template
definitions, and just need to make adjustments to the Figure_1 tag
formatting if necessary in the individual chapters.

Even better would be to change the numbering scheme (often easier said
than done, I realize), to something such as Figure 5000-1 or Figure
5000.1, which could easily be a single tag with numbering format such as
F:Figure $chapnum-n+ so that they pick up the existing chapter
number and just increment a figure counter. 

I presume that you may have similar numbering for tables, but with a
different series identified, such as T: instead of the F: for figures.
The same logic applies to a List of Tables, where either you will need
to re-setup the LOT for a new tag in a new chapter, or simply reuse the
same tags and the new information appears automatically when you update
the book because the tags are already included.

I hope this helps.
 
On Friday, February 15, 2008 12:40 PM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| Hi all:
| 
| I have a document that has multiple chapters.  In Chapter 1000,
| the figures are Figure 1001, Figure 1002, etc.  The same goes for
| Chapter 2000, 3000, etc.
| 
| In each chapter, the primary figure -- Figure 1001 for example --
| has it's own tag (Figure #, 1001), and the Autonumber Format is 
| F:Figure  n=1001.
| 
| The following figures -- Figures 1002, 1003, 1004 -- have their
| own tag (Figure #), and the Autonumber Format is F:Figure  n+.
| 
| The same is true for all the chapters.
| 
| So here's my problem:  I've added a new chapter and created new
| tags in that chapter for the primary and following figures, using
| the format above.  I have Figure 5001, 5002, and 5003.
| 
| However, when I run the TOF, the TOF picks up the Figure 5002 and
| Figure 5003 but not Figure 5001.  It also doesn't have Figure #,
| 5001LOF in the Paragraph Designer.  It does have Figure #, 1001LOF,
| Figure #, 2001LOF etc.
| 
| Does anyone know how I can get the TOF to populate itself with
| Figure #, 5001LOF?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| Deirdre

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question about Figure # s

[Lester C. Smalley]

Deirdre -

Frankly, this sounds like an enormous pain, both to maintain and to
extend, as you've discovered.  It also helps this list give you the best
advice and targeted suggestions when you tell us the platform (e.g.
Windows, Mac) and version of Frame (FM 6, FM 7.2, FM 8,...) and whether
this is structured or unstructured.

The key is your statement "created new tags..."  Because the first
figure uses a new tag, and the subsequent ones use an existing tag, the
first is not automatically included when you generate/update the LOF and
the others are.

You will have to add the new tag to the list of figures by setting up
the LOF again, and adding to the list of tags to be included those that
you added on Chapter 5000.  This would be the tag in the new chapter
file, such as "Figure #, 5001" and not "Figure #, 5001LOF" - FM will
create that on the reference page of the LOF.  You can add the tags by
right-clicking on the List of Figures file in the book window and
selecting "Setup List of Figures".  In the dialog window that appears,
move the desired "Figure #" tag from the "Don't Include" list (right
side) to the "Include" list (left side).

You will also have to be sure the newly added items (xxxLOF tags in the
List of Figures file) are formatted properly on the LOF reference page,
mirroring the building blocks and style of other 'figure' tags).

Back to my earlier "enormous pain" comment:

You should not have to create new tags whenever you add a new chapter
but instead use the existing tags in the template (e.g., "Figure #")
These should be the same tag name in all files, but may have format
overrides for the first instance to set the figure number as needed.  Of
course, you will have to NOT remove format overrides if you ever import
an updated template into the chapters or else will need to redo the
format override.  Or at use a pair of tags, "Figure_1" and "Figure" and
DO NOT have the "Figure_1" tag in your template.  Then you would be able
to update all other tags and remove overrides by importing the template
definitions, and just need to make adjustments to the Figure_1 tag
formatting if necessary in the individual chapters.

Even better would be to change the numbering scheme (often easier said
than done, I realize), to something such as Figure 5000-1 or Figure
5000.1, which could easily be a single tag with numbering format such as
"F:Figure <$chapnum>-" so that they pick up the existing chapter
number and just increment a figure counter. 

I presume that you may have similar numbering for tables, but with a
different series identified, such as T: instead of the F: for figures.
The same logic applies to a List of Tables, where either you will need
to re-setup the LOT for a new tag in a new chapter, or simply reuse the
same tags and the new information appears automatically when you update
the book because the tags are already included.

I hope this helps.

On Friday, February 15, 2008 12:40 PM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Hi all:
| 
| I have a document that has multiple chapters.  In Chapter 1000,
| the figures are Figure 1001, Figure 1002, etc.  The same goes for
| Chapter 2000, 3000, etc.
| 
| In each chapter, the primary figure -- Figure 1001 for example --
| has it's own tag (Figure #, 1001), and the Autonumber Format is 
| F:Figure < 

RE: future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
|  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
|  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
|  heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
|  FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
|  development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
|  user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
|  contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
|  the future.
| 
| The future's uncertain and the end is always near.
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
| > I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
| > information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
| > heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
| > FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
| > development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
| > user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
| > contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
| > the future.
| 
| "The future's uncertain and the end is always near."
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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RE: oldie

[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't remember when I started reading and posting to the Frame list,
but I do remember it was on UUNet.

I started working with FrameMaker in 1988-89, and have used it on Sun
Solaris and OpenLook; Sun, IBM and HP XWindows; Mac; and Windows.  I got
training at Frame Technology's locations on Rincon Circle, and the other
site - was it Zanker Road?  It's been so long I forget.

On Monday, February 04, 2008 05:32 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote:
 
| I started on the list as [EMAIL PROTECTED] from about Sept 1990 or so...
| I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
| (but then again, I had to)
| 
| Grant
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Hedley Finger
| Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
| To: Framers Self-Support
| Subject: Re: oldie
| 
| At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
|  raises hand  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
|  I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
|  at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
| 
|  Who else?
| 
| Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
| Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, 
| like Mac OS X).
| 
| Hedley
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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oldie

[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't remember when I started reading and posting to the Frame list,
but I do remember it was on UUNet.

I started working with FrameMaker in 1988-89, and have used it on Sun
Solaris and OpenLook; Sun, IBM and HP XWindows; Mac; and Windows.  I got
training at Frame Technology's locations on Rincon Circle, and the other
site - was it Zanker Road?  It's been so long I forget.

On Monday, February 04, 2008 05:32 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote:

| I started on the list as CGH at frame.com from about Sept 1990 or so...
| I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
| (but then again, I had to)
| 
| Grant
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Hedley Finger
| Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
| To: Framers Self-Support
| Subject: Re: oldie
| 
| At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
| >   I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
| > I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
| > at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
| >
| > Who else?
| 
| Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
| Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, 
| like Mac OS X).
| 
| Hedley
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail <mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au>

- Lester 
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RE: Keyboard shortcut for copyright symbol

[Lester C. Smalley]

One note: unless it has been corrected in FM 8, the displayed glyphs are
frequently wrong for the Symbol and Zapf Dingbat fonts in the
Character_Sets.pdf document (at least on the PC versions of the
program), and have been incorrect for several versions (at least back to
FM 6.0).  The character names for the symbol set are correct, so if you
know the name of the character you want the list is still semi-useful...

I learned the Control-Q character shortcuts first, as I was working
originally on Sun and later Windows versions of Frame, and then the ALT
 combination, so I can work in FM across platforms and also in other
Windows applications.  I don't pretend to know them all, but I do know
the dozen or so I need regularly.
 
On Thursday, January 24, 2008 01:30 PM, Peter Gold wrote:
 
| You can find listings of FM keystrokes, Alt+ keystrokes, and
| hexadecimal codes (for entering into FM dialog boxes and marker
| windows) in the Character_Sets.pdf in your FrameMaker distribution.
| FM7.x and earlier, in the OnlineManuals directory; FM8.x, in the
| Documents directory.
| 
| HTH
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Peter
| ___
| Peter Gold
| KnowHow ProServices

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Keyboard shortcut for copyright symbol

[Lester C. Smalley]

One note: unless it has been corrected in FM 8, the displayed glyphs are
frequently wrong for the Symbol and Zapf Dingbat fonts in the
Character_Sets.pdf document (at least on the PC versions of the
program), and have been incorrect for several versions (at least back to
FM 6.0).  The character names for the symbol set are correct, so if you
know the name of the character you want the list is still semi-useful...

I learned the Control-Q  shortcuts first, as I was working
originally on Sun and later Windows versions of Frame, and then the ALT
 combination, so I can work in FM across platforms and also in other
Windows applications.  I don't pretend to know them all, but I do know
the dozen or so I need regularly.

On Thursday, January 24, 2008 01:30 PM, Peter Gold wrote:

| You can find listings of FM keystrokes, Alt+ keystrokes, and
| hexadecimal codes (for entering into FM dialog boxes and marker
| windows) in the Character_Sets.pdf in your FrameMaker distribution.
| FM7.x and earlier, in the OnlineManuals directory; FM8.x, in the
| Documents directory.
| 
| HTH
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Peter
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| Peter Gold
| KnowHow ProServices

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RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0

[Lester C. Smalley]

Theresa -

Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column
boundaries?

You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table
designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its
minimum setting of 1.  Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows -
there is no widow row option, so you could get an initial single row
and then the balance of the table on the next page.  There is also the
possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with
Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table  Row Format) that
affect how a table breaks if necessary.

You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of
the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the
paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents
of a row.

The table's Space Above/Space Below  properties may also affect
pagination.

Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the
next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled?

On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote:

| Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use
| different table formats) together in Frame 6.0?  These two tables
| are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the
| second table paginates to the next page.  Because of Frame scripts 
| that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same
| para. line for the time being.  I already tried having the tables
| anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para.
| lines together, but that breaks our Frame script.  
| 
| Any suggestions would be appreciated.
| 
|
| Thanks,
| 
| Theresa

I hope this helps.


- Lester 
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Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0

[Lester C. Smalley]

Theresa -

Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column
boundaries?

You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table
designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its
minimum setting of 1.  Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows -
there is no "widow row" option, so you could get an initial single row
and then the balance of the table on the next page.  There is also the
possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with
Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table > Row Format) that
affect how a table breaks if necessary.

You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of
the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the
paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents
of a row.

The table's Space Above/Space Below  properties may also affect
pagination.

Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the
next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled?

On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote:

| Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use
| different table formats) together in Frame 6.0?  These two tables
| are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the
| second table paginates to the next page.  Because of Frame scripts 
| that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same
| para. line for the time being.  I already tried having the tables
| anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para.
| lines together, but that breaks our Frame script.  
| 
| Any suggestions would be appreciated.
| 
|
| Thanks,
| 
| Theresa

I hope this helps.


- Lester 
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RE: Unavailable fonts issue

[Lester C. Smalley]

Also, font specifications can hide in tags for table items (title,
heading cells, etc.) and in cross-reference formats that do not appear
in the catalogs for paragraph or character tags.
 
On  Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:31 PM, Diane Gaskill wrote:
 
| Isabelle,
| 
| The unavailable fonts message can be triggered by a font assigned to
| a tag you don't use.  In that case, it's annoying, but not a problem. 
| If you have already checked all the tags on the body pages and in the 
| tag catalogs, display the master and reference pages and look there.
| 
| Hope this helps.
| 
| Diane
| ===
| 
| -Original Message-
| 
| Hi Framers,
| 
| I'm sure this is a very novice question, but I need some help.
| 
| I'm running Windows XP (SP2), using unstructured FrameMaker 7.2.
| 
| Even though I've checked all the paragraph and character tags for
stray
| fonts and have generated a list of fonts for each file, I get a
| Document named xxx uses unavailable fonts... message. The console
| displays a font that I know is nowhere in my documents, so how do I
get
| rid of this pop-up? The more important issue is that because the
| documents are reformated on opening because of substitution of fonts,
| I get unresolved cross-references alerts on good refs every time I
| reopen saved files.
| 
| Hope this all makes sense. If not and you're able to help, please feel
| free to email me.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| IRL
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Unavailable fonts issue

[Lester C. Smalley]

Also, font specifications can hide in tags for table items (title,
heading cells, etc.) and in cross-reference formats that do not appear
in the catalogs for paragraph or character tags.

On  Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:31 PM, Diane Gaskill wrote:

| Isabelle,
| 
| The unavailable fonts message can be triggered by a font assigned to
| a tag you don't use.  In that case, it's annoying, but not a problem. 
| If you have already checked all the tags on the body pages and in the 
| tag catalogs, display the master and reference pages and look there.
| 
| Hope this helps.
| 
| Diane
| ===
| 
| -Original Message-
| 
| Hi Framers,
| 
| I'm sure this is a very novice question, but I need some help.
| 
| I'm running Windows XP (SP2), using unstructured FrameMaker 7.2.
| 
| Even though I've checked all the paragraph and character tags for
stray
| fonts and have generated a list of fonts for each file, I get a
| "Document named xxx uses unavailable fonts..." message. The console
| displays a font that I know is nowhere in my documents, so how do I
get
| rid of this pop-up? The more important issue is that because the
| documents are reformated on opening because of substitution of fonts,
| I get unresolved cross-references alerts on good refs every time I
| reopen saved files.
| 
| Hope this all makes sense. If not and you're able to help, please feel
| free to email me.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| IRL
| ilopez at texasbar.com

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RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Lester C. Smalley]

Isn't the key combination to lock / unlock a file  ESC F l k  instead of
CTRL F l k,  or has this changed in FM8 (which I don't have)?

On  Friday, December 28, 2007 07:06 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:

... 

| I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit 
| of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes 
| Ctrl F l k to transit the files back and forth between a locked 
| use condition to an unlocked edit condition. However, in FM8,
| if you do a Ctrl s save before you do the Ctrl F l k Ctrl w to 
| lock and close a file, your Ctrl F l k is wasted effort as the
| file simply doesn't stay locked.

...

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Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Lester C. Smalley]

Isn't the key combination to lock / unlock a file  ESC F l k  instead of
CTRL F l k,  or has this changed in FM8 (which I don't have)?

On  Friday, December 28, 2007 07:06 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:

... 

| I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit 
| of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes 
| "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked 
| "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8,
| if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to 
| lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the
| file simply doesn't stay locked.

...

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RE: imported illustrator images appear as gray boxes

[Lester C. Smalley]

In my copy of Illustrator (ver 10), I don't get to select including a
preview for the EPS image until after I click save from the Save As
command.  Then a new dialog opens that allow me to set the preview info,
as well as several other options.

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On Friday, December 21, 2007 03:23 PM, Jon Harvey wrote:

| The illustrator Save As box does not provide the option to save with
| Tiff preview. Or any other option for that matter. The Illustrator
| help says that the Save As box is where I set the Tiff preview option.
| Why isn't the option there? This has become an Illustrator issue 
| rather than an FM issue. Sorry for the off-topic discussion.
| 
| Jon Harvey
| Manager, Desktop Documentation
| CambridgeSoft Corporation
| 100 CambridgePark Drive
| Cambridge, MA 02140
| (617) 588-9354
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[Lester C. Smalley]

In my copy of Illustrator (ver 10), I don't get to select including a
preview for the EPS image until after I click "save" from the Save As
command.  Then a new dialog opens that allow me to set the preview info,
as well as several other options.

- Lester 
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On Friday, December 21, 2007 03:23 PM, Jon Harvey wrote:

| The illustrator Save As box does not provide the option to save with
| Tiff preview. Or any other option for that matter. The Illustrator
| help says that the Save As box is where I set the Tiff preview option.
| Why isn't the option there? This has become an Illustrator issue 
| rather than an FM issue. Sorry for the off-topic discussion.
| 
| Jon Harvey
| Manager, Desktop Documentation
| CambridgeSoft Corporation
| 100 CambridgePark Drive
| Cambridge, MA 02140
| (617) 588-9354

RE: How do I turn off the link

[Lester C. Smalley]

What do you mean you can't remove the link in Acrobat?  Certainly not
via the reader, but if you have the full Acrobat package you certainly
should be able to delete the link and leave the plain text behind.

One thought it to insert a thin space after the @ at symbol, so even
if what you say is true the 'active' area is as small as possible.  Yes,
it will alter the appearance slightly, but the trade-off may well be
worth it.
 
On Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:10 PM, Huntley Eshenroder wrote:

| Yes, plain text and you can't remove the link through Acrobat.
| 
| -Huntley
| 
| On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
|  John, is this in plain text? Not in a marker?


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RE: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Lester C. Smalley]

Neil,

Are the code lines individually in table cells, or are all of the lines
really in a single table cell?  Must be a pain if it's only one large
cell...

I presume each line is a separate paragraph.  If not I have no idea how
to automate this at all.

If these are not numbered, you could include an autonumber on the RIGHT
side that displays a character from the symbol or wingding families
(using a defined character format tag) to illustrate the carriage return
symbol, such as 0xBF in the Symbol font.  Check in your 'character map'
for an appropriate choice.

You can set the Left indent at some value greater than the First line
indent so the continuation is indented as desired.

On Thursday, November 29, 2007 01:59 PM, Neil Tubb wrote:

| Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
| some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
| indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
| return arrow icon, and then indent the following line. 
| 
| Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
| using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
| table cell.
| 
| 
| Thanks in advance,
| Neil

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RE: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Lester C. Smalley]

Oops - too hasty a reply.

Autonumbering at the end of the paragraph is truly at the end - at the
right side of the last line.  So my suggestion won't cut it unless you
create two different formats, one for the first line only w/
autonumbering, and another for subsequent lines without that is indented
as desired.

Art's answer suggesting a second column and dedicated paragraph format
for the 'return' symbol is cleaner, and I think easier to implement and
manage.

On Thursday, November 29, 2007 02:14 PM, Lester C. Smalley wrote:
 
.

| If these are not numbered, you could include an autonumber on the
RIGHT
| side that displays a character from the symbol or wingding families
| (using a defined character format tag) to illustrate the carriage
return
| symbol, such as 0xBF in the Symbol font.  Check in your 'character
map'
| for an appropriate choice.


 
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Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Lester C. Smalley]

Neil,

Are the code lines individually in table cells, or are all of the lines
really in a single table cell?  Must be a pain if it's only one large
cell...

I presume each line is a separate paragraph.  If not I have no idea how
to automate this at all.

If these are not numbered, you could include an autonumber on the RIGHT
side that displays a character from the symbol or wingding families
(using a defined character format tag) to illustrate the carriage return
symbol, such as 0xBF in the Symbol font.  Check in your 'character map'
for an appropriate choice.

You can set the Left indent at some value greater than the First line
indent so the continuation is indented as desired.

On Thursday, November 29, 2007 01:59 PM, Neil Tubb wrote:

| Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
| some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
| indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
| return arrow icon, and then indent the following line. 
| 
| Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
| using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
| table cell.
| 
| 
| Thanks in advance,
| Neil

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Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Lester C. Smalley]

Oops - too hasty a reply.

Autonumbering at the end of the paragraph is truly at the end - at the
right side of the last line.  So my suggestion won't cut it unless you
create two different formats, one for the first line only w/
autonumbering, and another for subsequent lines without that is indented
as desired.

Art's answer suggesting a second column and dedicated paragraph format
for the 'return' symbol is cleaner, and I think easier to implement and
manage.

On Thursday, November 29, 2007 02:14 PM, Lester C. Smalley wrote:

.

| If these are not numbered, you could include an autonumber on the
RIGHT
| side that displays a character from the symbol or wingding families
| (using a defined character format tag) to illustrate the carriage
return
| symbol, such as 0xBF in the Symbol font.  Check in your 'character
map'
| for an appropriate choice.



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RE: Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

[Lester C. Smalley]

Theresa -

rather than rotate the page format in a copy of the existing document
template, I would instead create a new blank portrait document and
import all the other formatting elements (everything except Page
Layouts) into it from one of the existing files.  

You mention structure, but I am not sure if you mean it in the sense of
an SGML or XML document or merely in the sense of the formatting and
layout framework that a template provides.  If the former, you will also
need to import the element definitions from the existing files to the
new template.  The underlying EDD if this is truly a structured document
will almost certainly need to be edited as well, as it may set many
format properties based on the assumption of the page width, which is
now much smaller.

If you need to, you can selectively copy and paste headers from the
master pages of the 'landscape' document to the new portrait one.  You
will have to adjust the size appropriately, and probably edit tab stops
and perhaps indentation settings of the paragraph formats used in the
header/footer, but these are the same things you would have to do if you
rotate the pages.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2007 01:10 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:

| Hello Framers,
| 
| I have a book which had files which were both portrait and landscape.
| The document was formatted using MasterPageMaps reference page. Since
| the majority of pages were landscape, the default lwft/right body
| pages were landscape. 
| 
| I am stealing this document to use as the structure of a new book,
| but I would like to change the default left/right body pages to be 
| portrait. 
| 
| Could you advise how to rotate the master page left/right from
| landscape to portrait? (I am using Frame 8 but the book was written
| in 7.2)
| 
| Theresa de Valence

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Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

[Lester C. Smalley]

Theresa -

rather than rotate the page format in a copy of the existing document
template, I would instead create a new blank portrait document and
import all the other formatting elements (everything except "Page
Layouts") into it from one of the existing files.  

You mention structure, but I am not sure if you mean it in the sense of
an SGML or XML document or merely in the sense of the formatting and
layout framework that a template provides.  If the former, you will also
need to import the element definitions from the existing files to the
new template.  The underlying EDD if this is truly a structured document
will almost certainly need to be edited as well, as it may set many
format properties based on the assumption of the page width, which is
now much smaller.

If you need to, you can selectively copy and paste headers from the
master pages of the 'landscape' document to the new portrait one.  You
will have to adjust the size appropriately, and probably edit tab stops
and perhaps indentation settings of the paragraph formats used in the
header/footer, but these are the same things you would have to do if you
rotate the pages.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2007 01:10 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:

| Hello Framers,
| 
| I have a book which had files which were both portrait and landscape.
| The document was formatted using MasterPageMaps reference page. Since
| the majority of pages were landscape, the default lwft/right "body"
| pages were landscape. 
| 
| I am stealing this document to use as the structure of a new book,
| but I would like to change the default left/right body pages to be 
| portrait. 
| 
| Could you advise how to rotate the master page left/right from
| landscape to portrait? (I am using Frame 8 but the book was written
| in 7.2)
| 
| Theresa de Valence

- Lester 
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OT: Re: Cyrillic spam anyone?

[Lester C. Smalley]

I get literally hundreds of junk messages in foreign languages every
day. (I counted, on Wed I had 110 in Cyrillic, 27 in Asian characters, 6
in German, and 11 in Spanish.) Thankfully, about 98% are caught by our
office spam filters, but I still have to review the junk folder as it
sometimes does contain real messages (sigh)
 
On Wednesday, November 21, 2007 06:07 PM, Diane Gaskill wrote:

| So do I.  And not only at home, but at work. How they got my 
| work email address is a mystery. I'm not subscribed to any
| lists from my work address.
| 
| Diane
| 
| -Original Message-
| 
| I get Japanese or Chinese, Hebrew, and Cyrillic spam at times.
| 
| **
| Ann Zdunczyk

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