[nlug] Re: Need help with Traffic Shaping
I kinda like that idea. Maybe a Comcast business-class connection for HTTP and use our 3mb connection for everything else. I think pfSense has a module for this. Chris Steven S. Critchfield wrote: With the advanced routing stuff, yes. Anything you can identify with firewall rules can be placed in buckets, and then you can prioritize that to make it better. But like I said, and others too, this only helps the outbound congestion. Inbound would still be out of his control. This is why I also mentioned the idea of a second less expensive async network connection and the ability to route based on the type of traffic to certain netowrks. You could easily route all you download intensive apps to the async network and keep the sync network for the symetrical or higher upload intensive applications. Since then you could better control your congestion. - Mark J Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would he be able to shape RTP somehow on its Type of Server (TOS) designation of 0xba (dec 184)??? --On Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:18 AM -0500 Steven S. Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Chris McQuistion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Butler suggested that if we could prioritize RTP, over everything else, that may be enough by itself. Unfortunately, neither Untangle, nor our internal firewall/router (a Sonicwall Pro 3060) have the ability to prioritize RTP. They only have rules for TCP, UDP, ICMP, etc. I have tried pfSense, but I'm not having much luck getting it to do traffic shaping, in both directions, when it is in transparent bridge mode. Anyone have any ideas or know of somewhere you can point me? RTP is a type of traffic like HTTP. RTP is usually found inside UDP packets because some dropped audio is better than the lag that a TCP connection could cause. Another thing to know, you can't really traffic shape what you receive. By the time the bits have crossed the wire to you and you see them, they have already contributed to your congestion. You can only really effect your outbound portion. And in effect, that will help shape your inbound. Specifically if you throttle some streams, then the otherside will slow as well. I would suggest maybe reading the Linux advance routing and traffic control howto. http://lartc.org/ You might even be able to put the information from here into place on your untangle box. The part I think you need to look at specifically is chapter 9: Queueing Disciplines for Bandwidth Management. When reading the lartc docs, it took quite a while for me to get my head wrapped around some of the things you could do. To give you an idea of the fun we had and did with our firewall, and maybe an idea for you and your network management, we built a firewall with 1 to 1 nating from Butler to our internal network. We also do normal nating from Comcast. We then put IP range rules internally for traffic to go out either Butler or Comcast. 1 range is the specific 1 to 1 nat, and therefore traffic originating there will show up on the internet with the static public IP. There is a mirror range of the 1 to 1 nat that is reserved for traffic destined to go out Comcast. There is another range devoted to machines otherwise not configured in dhcp to only go out Comcast. The 1 to 1 range and the mirror range allows our users to determine what link they wish their traffic to traverse. Granted this is due to a small user base and ones I can go talk to should a link become congested. You could possibly augment your network with a asymetrical link like we did. Then route certain traffic that you can identify as asymetrical to that link. Web browsing over a fast download slow upload link is much nicer than over the slower symetrical link. I am sure you would probably choose different segmentation than we did, but the work would still be useful to you. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark J. BaileyJobsoft Design Development, Inc. 104 Arlington Place, Suite 100Franklin, TN 37064 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.jobsoft.com/ VOICE:(615)904-9559 FAX:(615)904-9576 CELL:(615)308-9099 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group
[nlug] Re: Rating the presentations (experience level)
I like Curt's point. We all have something to teach and we all have
something to learn. Linux, in general, and our user group, as well, is
designed to be something that everyone can participate in, from both a
learning and teaching perspective.
I'll admit that most of last week's presentation was over my head. I
enjoyed my time, though, and I'll go to the next meeting even if the
topic might be over my head, again.
I discovered something interesting a while back, when I gave a
presentation at NLUG. On a scale of 1-10, which 1 being how do I burn
an ISO file and 10 being Linus Torvalds calls me for advice, I would
rate myself only a 3 or 4. That said, I had something to present at NLUG
because I thought it was interesting and thought others might find it
interesting as well.
I gave the presentation and a lot of people thanked me for it and said
that they might try that piece of software. For the most part, these
were people that were more advanced in Linux than I was. That was an
example, for me, of the amazing power that we all have as teachers and
as learners. Everyone has something that they can teach and everyone has
plenty that they can learn.
I say bring on the presentations at all skills levels. Some will be over
my head, some will be at my level, but I'll pick up something from all
of them, and I'll try to share something, too.
Chris
On Sep 13, 2008 07:20 AM, Curt Lundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMHO, I like the idea of an ESL rating or some such, and we'll all
understand and agree that ESL is a prediction, as opposed to a
guarantee. Sure, the material presented was mostly over my head. I
developed an instant respect for the guy doing the presentation.
People like this don't scare me; rather, they inspire me. Regardless
of the topic, I felt I could at least participate as a user in any of
the projects that were presented.
Where I want to disagree is where you write it just wasn't worth my
time - sure, our presenter speaks in rapid-fire, as people often do
when they are trying to share a great deal of high-level information.
His presentation style will smooth out as he matures. This wasn't
just an opportunity for us to learn about some new technologies - it
was also a growth opportunity for him. If he gets feedback that tells
him he went too fast and too far too quickly he's going to take a
different approach in the future. We benefited, he benefited.
For my part, having rubbed elbows with some true Linux gurus, I'm
grateful for several things:
1. That people at this level are on our side.
2. That he's developing tools that will ultimately make my life
easier, particularly as virtualization becomes more common.
3. To find out I wasn't the only one in the room who didn't come
close to keeping up with him...!
I thought the meeting and the presentation were both awesome.
Curt
On Sep 12, 3:06 pm, Michael Stahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting from nlug.org frontpage:
In my humble opinion, it would be nice if we could kind of get a
heads
up on what each meeting is going to be like as far as Linux skill
level goes. Maybe an 'Expected Skill Level' (ESL) or something could
be suggested for each upcoming meeting of sayESL-1 through
ESL-10
('1' being knowing how to use the 'cd' and 'ls' commands, and '10'
being able to understand even half of last night!) ...something
ball-park at least as sort of a disclaimer that says 'Warning: your
brain may explode as a result of this meeting' or 'This meeting may
require that you have therapy afterward' ..or something along those
lines LOL. That's just my 2 cents, but I'd bet that at least 75% of
the group would agree that last night was totally over our heads. I
highly respect the level of expertise that the presenters had last
night, but it just wasn't worth my time because it was so deep.
Email
me or post back if you think I'm just way out of line or if you
agree.
(Brian Schnautz, Sept.10, 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED])
This is a great idea. I think I will work on this with Kevin for
our
presentations.
stahnma
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[nlug] Re: Hiring Systems Administrator in Nashville
It is technically still available, but we have a strong candidate that we are considering. Chris ware wrote: Hey! Just now seeing this post and I was curious if the position is still available? Please let me know, thanks! -Jay On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Chris McQuistion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Job Title: Systems Administrator Watkins College of Art Design, a friendly community of creative professionals, is looking for a competent Systems Administrator to add to our Information Technology Equipment Services staff. Job Description: Primary Responsibilities include basic network operations: planning, installation, maintenance, and support of network servers, services, hardware, software, auditing, and security. Secondary Responsibilities include various technology projects and technical support, working closely with the Director and other IT staff. Pay and Benefits: Starting salary is 40-50K, depending on experience. Benefits are excellent, with employer-paid health and dental insurance, many weeks of paid vacation, tuition waiver for staff and their families, company-matched 403b (the educational equivalent of 401k). Applicant Requirements: Applicants for the Network Administrator must have technical support experience, significant Linux experience, and traditional networking experience. Servers which will be supported include mostly Linux (Red Hat and Red Hat variants) and some Windows. Workstation support will include Windows and Macintosh. Excellent interpersonal skills required. Some Macintosh experience preferred, but not required. Hardware and Software Audit experience preferred, but not required. VoIP, VPN, and Cisco experience preferred, but not required. Application Process: Interested Applicants should email a Resume (and optional Cover Letter) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include work experience and contact information. Position begins immediately. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: DNS Hijacking(?)
Do you know about the big DNS vulnerability that was recently unveiled? It required that ISP's update their DNS servers or be vulnerable to some very serious hijacking. I use OpenDNS's servers. They are kept up to date and offer some nice little features like DNS name correction (say you enter .eud, instead of .edu, it corrects this and forwards you to the .edu address.) Chris Richard Thomas wrote: Is anyone else having issues out there with DNS requests which should fail resolving to a search engine? This is with Butler net residential. I've written to Bill but would be interested to hear if it's happening with business or other ISPs (it's not happening with my work stuff). I've narrowed it down and it's like the requests to the root and top level domain servers are being hijacked... From my home network [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# dig qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com @d.gtld-servers.net ; DiG 9.4.1 qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com @d.gtld-servers.net ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10473 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. 60 IN A 8.15.7.102 qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. 60 IN A 63.251.179.28 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. 65535 IN NS WSC2.JOMAX.NET. qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. 65535 IN NS WSC1.JOMAX.NET. ;; Query time: 752 msec ;; SERVER: 192.31.80.30#53(192.31.80.30) ;; WHEN: Thu Sep 25 14:59:33 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 131 From Outside: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com @d.gtld-servers.net ; DiG 9.4.1 qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com @d.gtld-servers.net ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 40084 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;qweqpoqwiepoqiwepqiwe.com. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: com.900 IN SOA a.gtld-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1222372779 1800 900 604800 900 ;; Query time: 56 msec ;; SERVER: 192.31.80.30#53(192.31.80.30) ;; WHEN: Thu Sep 25 14:59:57 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 116 The IP for resolves to the same on both systems (192.31.80.30) If this is a known hack, I'd like to hear too. Though everything looks clean as far as I can tell. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Possible Meeting Location
What about the Hacker Consortium's place? Do they have the room for a meeting our size? Chris Andrew Farnsworth wrote: We just need to find a rich sponsor who will donate a piece of land and a building big enough to act as a meeting room, training room, server room, etc :-) Andy Bucky Wolfe wrote: Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if they're even still around. I was talking to my father, and apparently he went there to get a cup of coffee, and their lights were off and the place looked closed... but it's run by one guy though, so he might have just been sick or something. Anyways, assuming they're still open, there are plenty of pizza places out here in hermitage, also, there's a great mexican restaurant (open well past midnight) that's within walking distance of JavaNet, so if you want to shift from pizza to burritos, that's still a viable plan. Anyways, Regards, Bucky W. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Andrew Farnsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Igneous wrote: I think I may have found a meeting place. There's a cafe/restaurant called JavaNetCafe; they have a huge tv, projector, tons of tables and chairs, computers, etc. I was looking at their website ( www.javanetcafe.net http://www.javanetcafe.net ), and apparently the owner wants to host some group meetings. To quote their site If you're a member of a group that needs a meeting place, let us know. We'd love to serve your needs in whatever way we can. They can seat probably 25+ people very comfortably. And since it's a restaurant, we could do the pizza thing there as well. He serves pizza, gyros, coffee, milkshakes, tacos, Egyptian and Italian food... and it's all really great stuff. The only thing that could possibly pose a problem is parking (as this place is in a fairly small plaza). But since we'd be meeting at night anyways, there should be plenty of room. It's also right across from huge vacant parking lot, so if worst came to worst, a few people could probably park there. Anyways, I just thought I'd bring that up. -Igneous This sounds like a good idea except for one thing... they are only open until 9pm. This is probably ok for the meeting, but the after meeting eats usually goes until 11 pm or midnight. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: State of Open Source Virtualization .. not a rant or flame war
I've used VMWare, in the past, and I currently use Virtual Iron, because it has fairly simple administration and is far cheaper than VMWare, if you want the bells and whistles. The big reasons to use VMWare or Virtual Iron (in my opinion) is the nice gui administration tools and their ability to run virtualized Windows guests very well, which has not worked well for me, with Xen based virtualization under Red Hat or SuSE. Chris On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM, andrew mcelroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I am not trying to start a flame war or a rant, but I am trying to get a feel for what Open Source virtualization solutions are actually used. Currently I have a few servers virtualized inside Xen. However, I keep hearing that KVM is the way to goTM for hosting websites if you must stick to something open source. The purpose of these virtualized servers are to serve out either wordpress mu sites or ruby on rails sites. In the arena of hosting I have ran across OpenVZ, KVM and Xen. I was wondering what everyone is using and why. TIA Andrew McElroy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Nashville Linux Users Group Meeting Time (6 or 7 pm?)
I would MUCH prefer an earlier start time, for the reasons you've suggested. Chris John F. Eldredge wrote: Kevin Eldridge wrote: Hello NLUG, It has been said by quite a a few members at the meetings that 7pm is too late of a start time. This is because the meetings usually last until around 8:30 or 9:00pm. If we wait to eat until then, people are starving and they do not get home until very late at night. I would like to take a poll of everyone who would like to change the meeting time from the current 7:00pm to a new time of 6:00pm. You can simply reply to this e-mail and your vote will be tallied. Thank you, I can manage 6:00 PM, but 6:30 PM would be more convenient in my case. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Nashville Linux Users Group Meeting Time (6 or 7 pm?)
Wow. You commute all the way from Hoptown? That's about 1.5-2 hours each way, isn't it? Don't they have a LUG in Clarksville or something? Don Delp wrote: If I get a vote, I'll take 6pm. I still might not be able to make it often, but it'll get me back to Hopkinsville a lot earlier at night. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, t35t0r t35...@gmail.com wrote: 6p is good On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Kevin Wurm kwu...@comcast.net wrote: My vote is for earlier also. 6p or 5p --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Linux from Scratch
I spent some time with Gentoo, too. Gentoo is similar to Linux from Scratch, in that you have to build everything. I spent more time, just trying to do the basic stuff on Gentoo, then I ever spent with any other distro. Dozens and dozens and dozens of hours, just trying to get a decent, working system. In the end, I realized that building everything from scratch is an interesting educational exercise, but it isn't really practical for most people, including me. There is a reason that a lot of people and time are put into individual distributions. It takes a TON of knowhow to build something really good. Honestly, I don't have the time and expertise to build something half as good as any of the readily-available distributions. My two cents... Chris On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM, t35t0r t35...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone here has tried this? I have loaded and setup various distributions but have never built a Linux distribution from scratch. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ The closest I've come to that is gentoo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] disregard last post
Realized problem was that I did NOT have a hot-spare associated with that array (as I thought) so I could NOT afford to have 3 drives fail. I could only afford to have 2 drives fail... I'm hosed... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: DSL: Is it worth switching?
I would stick with Comcast. Their service is MUCH faster than DSL. Here is the trick to getting a lower bill. I just did this a couple months ago. Call Comcast and ask for the customer retention dept. They will try to argue with you and see if they can help you with your problem. Stick to your guns and tell them that you only want to speak to the customer retention dept. Once you get transferred to customer retention, tell them that you are very dissatisfied with the cost of keeping their service and you're considering DSL and moving your TV service to Dish Network (which has a partnership with ATT). Tell them that you would like to see what they can do for you, to keep your business. I made that call 2 months ago and they cut $35/month off my bill, for six months, basically giving me the same rate that they would give a new customer. In 6 months, when my bill goes up again, I'll call and gripe again. Chris On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM, xor johnw...@gmail.com wrote: I currently have Comcast cable as an internet provider, and have had Comcast for the better part of 10 years. Currently ATT is offering a $125 rebate to anyone who switches to one of their DSL packages. In addition they are offering $100 to subscribe to their DSL Ultra package or better. I currently have landline service with ATT, so I qualify for the rebates. DSL Ultra is 1.5 Mbs up and 256 down. ($33/mo) DSL Extreme is 3 Mbs up and 384 down. ($38/mo) DSL Extreme 6 is 6 Mbs up and 512 Kbps down. ($43/mo) I'm thinking the middle DSL Extreme would be sufficient. With $225 in rebates, would it be worth the switch to DSL, or should I just keep Comcast be happy with it. Each month the $43 bill from Comcast comes in it seems a bit steep. Also, I've heard that Comcast will drop your rate for a few months if you call them want to drop their service. Is that true? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: DSL: Is it worth switching?
What kind of download speed can you get over DSL? On downloads I regularly get over 1000 kbps, and this is on Comcast's lowest speed plan. I used to have their top speed plan and could get 1500-2000 kbps on downloads. I was under the impression that DSL tops out at around 6 mbps. Comcast has cable service up to 16 mbps (and higher, I've heard.) Chris On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Perkins, Jerry je...@jperkins.us wrote: Chris McQuistion wrote: I would stick with Comcast. Their service is MUCH faster than DSL. It has been my experience that DSL is faster. This is from 6 years of experience using both systems. In fact on big downloads DSL is always faster EVEN when I am connected via X-Forwarding which puts DSL at a disadvantage. -- Jerry Perkins Home Page http://www.jperkins.us/ + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Nashville Linux Users Group February 10, 2009 Meeting @ 6:00PM
Ditto for me. I can't make it tonight, but I am VERY interested in the topic. Chris On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jim Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not going to be able to make it in, and I'd really like to be there due to subject matter. Unfortunately, I have prior commitments that I cannot reschedule, so if someone could PLEASE take notes/post video/whatever for tonight's meeting, please do so! I am going to deploy Nagios (or Groundwork if I like it) soon, so this is quite timely for me. Thanks! Jim On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:32 +, crash...@gmail.com wrote: REMINDER: Meeting is at 6:00pm tonight. Come out and have some fun with like minded Linux users! If you have any questions, please respond. Directly if need be. ;) Kevin Eldridge --Original Message-- From: Eldridge, Kevin To: NLUG Sent: Feb 9, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: RE: Nashville Linux Users Group February 10, 2009 Meeting @ 6:00PM ** ** ** ** * NEW NLUG MEETING TIME* * 6:00 PM* ** ** ** ** Hello Nashville Linux User's Group, This month's meeting is Tuesday night, February 10, 2009, at the Vanderbilt campus in the Biostatistics department. Amir Herschberg will be presenting Groundwork monitoring, a Nagios based monitoring solution. I encourage everyone to come out and have a fun time with like minded Linux users. After the meeting we all go down to Pizza Perfect, have a pizza, salad, beer, or whatever else you want. Instructions on how to get to the meeting are posted on our web site listed in the signature. If you require assistance getting to the meeting at 6pm on Tuesday, February 10, 2009, because you are lost or need help, give me a call or reply to this message. I will be available for calls until the meeting start time. I suggest arriving early so you can find a parking space in the parking garage as it can get tight in there.We will see you there. Kevin Eldridge Nashville Linux User's Group Presidenthttp://www.nlug.org Cell Phone: (615) 830-4541 Directions to the meeting location:http://nlug.wikispot.org/Directions Pizza Perfect:http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3721451196Ne Sent via BlackBerry by ATT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: WTB various laptop parts
I have some PC133 SO-DIMMS at the office. I'll check the capacity in a little while. I think they are all 256 MB sticks pulled from old Powerbooks, when they were upgraded. I'll drop you a line, when I've checked them out and you can have a pair for free, if you'll come pick them up. Chris On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe pmigne...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:10:03AM -0600, Jim Peterson wrote: Have you checked with [1]www.1stchoicememory.com? They are usually a lot cheaper than the usual suppliers in Newegg and TigerDirect, but they do take a while to ship. Looked at them, per your suggestion, but couldn't actually find pc133 so-dimms. They seem to only have DDR266 and up, in terms of laptop memory. Thanks for the suggestion though. Anyone have any other retailers worth looking at? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: WTB various laptop parts
I just checked my stash. I have two 256 MB matching SO-DIMMS of Hynix PC133 (CL3). I have no way of testing them, but I don't have any reason to think that they aren't good. Email me direct for the address and we'll arrange a time for you to pick them up if you want them. Chris On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe pmigne...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:47:12AM -0600, Chris McQuistion wrote: I have some PC133 SO-DIMMS at the office. I'll check the capacity in a little while. I think they are all 256 MB sticks pulled from old Powerbooks, when they were upgraded. I'll drop you a line, when I've checked them out and you can have a pair for free, if you'll come pick them up. That sounds divine. Thanks a ton, Chris! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BP Sunday, March 1st, 2009 at Mellow Mushroom Pizza
I might be able to make it, but it will probably be 6:30-6:45. Chris On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Kevin Eldridge crash...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NLUG, We have not had a BP in quite some time, so let's have one and enjoy some BP at a fairly famous pizza place downtown, Mellow Mushroom, on 21st Ave S. I am going to be there at 6pm. Anyone else wants to join me to enjoy some pizza, salads, good conversation, etc, come on down. Address listed below: 212 21st Ave S Nashville, TN Time: 6:00pm Date: Sunday, March 1st, 2009 Nashville Linux User's Group President http://www.nlug.org Cell Phone: (615) 830-4541 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Call For Presenters!!! -- Nashville Linux Users Group March 10, 2009 Meeting @ 6:00PM
I could do a brief presentation on Clarkconnect, our Linux file/email/ftp/web server that we use a lot, here at work. I could also talk briefly about iSCSI distributions I've used and the pluses and minuses of them (Openfiler and NexentaStor.) I'd love to do a presentation on the super router I'm building right now, using VMWare, pfSense, and Untangle, but it is still in the building and testing phase. Chris On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Kevin Eldridge crash...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NLUG, It's me, your friendly neighborhood Linux Users Group President! We have a situation, which have ran into the in the past and will run into in the future. The need for a presenter for March 2009. With the diverse set of talent we have in this group, I thought that someone would want to step forward and present this month. From our Brainstorm ideas for presentations page, we have the following suggestions for meeting topics: * OpenID * Spacewalk * Podcasting with entirely FOSS software * Writing Documentation using TeX or XML, or Docbook formats * Backups for home-type users * Openmoko * Enterprise Applications on an OSS base - Interwoven TeamSite - Andrew Farnsworth and / or Rob Huffstedler - Oracle - DB2 - WebSphere * How to build a home NAS (or file/print/whatever server) * VoIP - How to build a Trixbox/FreePBX system (or other basic VoIP system) - OpenSIPS/Kamilio/OpenSER - SipX * Linux routers using Zebra/Quagga or Vyatta * MythTV howto * iSCSI/SAN howto * HA/DRBD howto * Network Management howto (OpenNMS, Groundwork, etc) - Nagios + Cacti integration (the 2 most recognized FOSS monitoring applications and their abilities along with integration together and other things such as syslog, and weathermap reporting) * Ultimate Home Server - VoIP (Asterisk / Trixbox) - PVR (MythTV) - File Server (Samba, NFS, AFS, etc) - Print Server (CUPS, Samba, etc) - RAID (Hardware vs Software) * Control Systems - Home control (lights, shades, lawn sprinklers, etc) I can present on this in November for basic Lighting setups. —stahnma - Equipment control and interfacing (CNC, 'robots', etc) - Real Time Linux (hard real time, vs soft real time, vs interactive) with examples * Programming on Linux (C/C++, ASM, Java, Ruby/RoR, PHP, Perl, Python, Lisp/Scheme) - Cross-Platform Programming built in Linux * LFS (Linux From Scratch) * openSUSE 11 (SUSE has come a long way in this newest release!) * How to set up a complete Linux Email/Collaboration Servers such as Open-Xchange, Zimbra, and Scalix Some of you have already presented on these topics. I think just about everyone wants to see the MythBuntu session again. You may already have a Linux, UNIX, or Open Source presentation you want to present on. Step up and offer to present to a great group of like-minded Linux Users. Kevin Eldridge NLUG President --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Call For Presenters!!! -- Nashville Linux Users Group March 10, 2009 Meeting @ 6:00PM
Untangle is pretty nice. It is far more CPU and Memory hungry than other distros (I don't recommend installing it on a system with less than 1 GB of RAM) and it doesn't have the fine-grain control of IPCop or Monowall or pfSense, but it does anti-spam, anti-phishing, anti-virus, web (content) filtering, and protocol blocking (like blocking P2P software) and can operate in transparent mode if required. That's what we primarily use it for. It isn't ideal for multi-WAN or multi-LAN setups, however. That's why I'm using pfSense in my new router I'm building, because I have 4 WAN connections and 5 LAN networks. I have 4 Untangle VM's sitting in transparent mode on 4 of those LAN networks, doing all the filtering mentioned above. PfSense is doing the real routing stuff (like load-balancing 4 WAN connections with different rules for each LAN network.) Chris On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Kevin Hart bowl...@gmail.com wrote: And honestly Id love to see a demo of untangle. Ive thought about going away from IPCop for a whileshe's been good for me for like 5 years now it seems But always interested in different router projects :) -- -Kevin You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred, but if you spend enough time and money, you sure can make a mighty fast pig On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I could do a brief presentation on Clarkconnect, our Linux file/email/ftp/web server that we use a lot, here at work. I could also talk briefly about iSCSI distributions I've used and the pluses and minuses of them (Openfiler and NexentaStor.) I'd love to do a presentation on the super router I'm building right now, using VMWare, pfSense, and Untangle, but it is still in the building and testing phase. Chris On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Kevin Eldridge crash...@gmail.comwrote: Hello NLUG, It's me, your friendly neighborhood Linux Users Group President! We have a situation, which have ran into the in the past and will run into in the future. The need for a presenter for March 2009. With the diverse set of talent we have in this group, I thought that someone would want to step forward and present this month. From our Brainstorm ideas for presentations page, we have the following suggestions for meeting topics: * OpenID * Spacewalk * Podcasting with entirely FOSS software * Writing Documentation using TeX or XML, or Docbook formats * Backups for home-type users * Openmoko * Enterprise Applications on an OSS base - Interwoven TeamSite - Andrew Farnsworth and / or Rob Huffstedler - Oracle - DB2 - WebSphere * How to build a home NAS (or file/print/whatever server) * VoIP - How to build a Trixbox/FreePBX system (or other basic VoIP system) - OpenSIPS/Kamilio/OpenSER - SipX * Linux routers using Zebra/Quagga or Vyatta * MythTV howto * iSCSI/SAN howto * HA/DRBD howto * Network Management howto (OpenNMS, Groundwork, etc) - Nagios + Cacti integration (the 2 most recognized FOSS monitoring applications and their abilities along with integration together and other things such as syslog, and weathermap reporting) * Ultimate Home Server - VoIP (Asterisk / Trixbox) - PVR (MythTV) - File Server (Samba, NFS, AFS, etc) - Print Server (CUPS, Samba, etc) - RAID (Hardware vs Software) * Control Systems - Home control (lights, shades, lawn sprinklers, etc) I can present on this in November for basic Lighting setups. —stahnma - Equipment control and interfacing (CNC, 'robots', etc) - Real Time Linux (hard real time, vs soft real time, vs interactive) with examples * Programming on Linux (C/C++, ASM, Java, Ruby/RoR, PHP, Perl, Python, Lisp/Scheme) - Cross-Platform Programming built in Linux * LFS (Linux From Scratch) * openSUSE 11 (SUSE has come a long way in this newest release!) * How to set up a complete Linux Email/Collaboration Servers such as Open-Xchange, Zimbra, and Scalix Some of you have already presented on these topics. I think just about everyone wants to see the MythBuntu session again. You may already have a Linux, UNIX, or Open Source presentation you want to present on. Step up and offer to present to a great group of like-minded Linux Users. Kevin Eldridge NLUG President --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: sharing files without ftp
One thought is that you could continue to use FTP, but just email your clients with direct links, including ftp://username:passw...@host.com/somefolder/somefile. That makes it easy for them because all they have to do is click the link you sent them. Of course, I don't the details of your setup and what kind of stuff your clients are downloading, so that may or may not be helpful. Chris On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Brian brian.schna...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone recommend a good way to share lots of files or even just a few big files without having to use ftp? There are some sites out there like Box.net, Drop.io, MediaFire, and Sharefile.. that offer this kind of service, but it would be nice to just to set up your own server. Is there a distro out there that provides this kind of service? I'm tired of training all our clients to use ftp and holding there hand while they figure out what client to use or web browser.. it just gets old and there has got to be a better way! Thanks for any help Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Bruteforce attack on my sshd
We used to use some little homebrew project called bfd (brute force detection) that would basically check the logs every 10 minutes, see if there were a lot of invalid logins from a particular IP and then automatically create a firewall rule to drop all packets from that IP. This would remain in effect until the server was rebooted. These days, we mostly just rely on snort and snortsam and they take care of this for us. Chris On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM, karlhaines k...@nashvilleproweb.com wrote: I'm getting crazy brute force attempts from some annoying hacker that looks like this in my logs: Jan 21 21:43:22 server sshd[16419]: Invalid user test from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:22 server sshd[16421]: Invalid user brown from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:23 server sshd[16424]: Invalid user liza from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:24 server sshd[16426]: Invalid user lois from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:24 server sshd[16428]: Invalid user tester from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:24 server sshd[16429]: Invalid user cyan from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:25 server sshd[16432]: Invalid user lizabeth from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:26 server sshd[16434]: Invalid user lola from 221.238.19.46 Jan 21 21:43:26 server sshd[16436]: Invalid user tester from 221.238.19.46 I had this problem before and someone suggested an easy fix, some little app I installed to block these guys, who has a better memory than me that could point me to that app again?? Thanks. Karl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Don't forget that tonight's NLUG meeting starts at 6:00 PM
Don't forget that tonight's NLUG meeting starts at 6:00 PM. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Powerpoint from last night's meeting on website
I've uploaded the Powerpoint from last night's discussion of Virtualization and iSCSI to the website, for anyone interested. Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Looking for the unlikely consumer grade product
You may want to consider a typical consumer grade router, like a Linksys, but use one of the open-source alternative firmwares, like DD-WRT or Tomato. I've used both extensively. DD-WRT has more functionality, but is harder to use and (in some cases) less stable. Tomato is has a very good user interface and is really easy to use and stable, but lacks some of the more high-end features of DD-WRT (like captive portal, VPN, etc). Chris On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: I think you are on the right track. For the billing rate, it is probably cheaper to use 2 wifi routers and a third router, or router with no wifi enabled than anything else. Just on a lark, take your DSL, hook it into a cheapie 4 port hub/switch, and plug the 'wan' side of your current routers into it. You might be able to get away depeinding on if the DSL provider will give you 2 ip's. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Solaris or Linux
I have to agree with Kevin, whole-heartedly. I've seen this situation play out over and over, specifically with trying to get someone with (applicable) Linux experience. Solaris experience is even more rare. One thing that I do lover about Solaris, however, is the ZFS filesystem. That rocks, but it still isn't enough to convince me to move away from Linux. Chris On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Kevin Hart bowl...@gmail.com wrote: Well the way I see it Both are the same ;) But where are you going to find Solaris admin's if you had to replace someone? Linux admins are already hard enough to find. Its like my boss loves HP-UX, but if you had to hire someone, could you name more than 2 people that aren't already happily employed. Same with Solaris. Sure you can get most linux admin's and have them swtich in and learn how to work it no problem, but how do you explain that to the CIO/CFO/CTO and them not sayjust get someone with RedHat Certification and switch to Redhat cause we can hire them. Sometimes its not always what works best, but what is easier to support. Like for small office of 20-30 peopleeasier to outsource someone to run your windows servers, than to setup some linux install in Telecom, its still very much big iron/sun/old stuff. But if the place isnt entrenched in their systems, its changing away. -- -Kevin You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred, but if you spend enough time and money, you sure can make a mighty fast pig On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Brian brian.schna...@gmail.com wrote: Ok..I'm ready to start a war :-) haha A buddy of mine who works for a communications co. says that Solaris is way more stable for mission critical servers than linux. What do you guys think? Would any of you implement Solaris/openSolaris over Linux in certain situations? and if so why? -Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Building a NAS
I think you should go with Microsoft Server 2008. I think their having a sale, since it is April 1st. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I'll be the first to say it.. I would change the Operating System. I would also consider moving up to 1 Tb Drives as you get 50% more space for a small price increase. Andy On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:25 AM, eljefemus eljefe...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently looking to build a NAS. This would be a pc that I build from scratch and would appreciate any help on this project. I currently put together a list of parts to buy and I was wondering what you all thought and what changes you would make. COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (I'm choosing the case due to 4 3.5 internal drive spaces) SUPERMICRO MBD-C2SBC-Q-O LGA 775 Intel Q35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (I'm not sure if this is a good mobo, but I like it's features: supports 6 SATA drives, PS2 ports, Video, Raid 0/1/5/10) COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-650-ACAA-A1 650W ATX Form Factor 12V V2.3 / SSI Standard EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail (Not sure about this. This has 8 SATA connects) Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail (Go all purpose dual core processor) Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G6400ELK - Retail (I would purchase 4GB for this box) Western Digital Caviar SE WD800AAJS 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (system only drive. I might consider upping the size of this for certain windows based apps, like tagging music and possibly using winamp remote to stream to my xbox 360 and PS3) 3x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (These would be my storage drives setup in a RAID 5) LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM (not much to say about this) Is there anything that you guys would change? This computer would probably be using Windows XP Pro as I already have a Windows Server 2003 that's running as a DC, DNS and DHCP --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Senate Legislation Would Federalize Cybersecurity
Resistance is futile... On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM, crash...@gmail.com wrote: We control your internets. We control your televisions. We control your radios. Please remain calm as we take your home, vehicle, life from you. Do not resist. Do not struggle. The message was paid for by you, the consumer, and your tax dollars. APRIL FOOLS Oh, wait...hmmm Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:42:07 To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [nlug] Re: Senate Legislation Would Federalize Cybersecurity On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:35 PM, xor johnw...@gmail.com wrote: Addressing what intelligence officials describe as a gaping vulnerability, the legislation also calls for the appointment of a White House cybersecurity czar with unprecedented authority to shut down computer networks, including private ones, if a cyberattack is underway, the officials said. The full story is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/31/AR2009033103684_pf.html There is no problem so big that it cannot be solved by big government. Michael -- Michael Darrin Chaney, Sr. mdcha...@michaelchaney.com http://www.michaelchaney.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Data security?
I'll chime in with another vote for DBAN. The only thing I have to add is that DBAN (stable) supports most, but not all controllers. I have a second CD with DBAN beta that seems to support other (AHCI) controllers. Between the two of those CD's, I don't have any problem wiping drives. I actually have a really old server that just sits in the rack doing drive wipes (with DBAN) and drive testing (with SpinRite) of old drives (thanks to a couple hot-swap bays for SATA and IDE drives.) It takes so long to wipe and to test that I just make a habit of going in there once a day and swapping out the just wiped or tested drive with the next one in my stack. Chris On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Jim Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: My kids (the 12-yr-old boy 8-yr old girl) like to try and take turns with the sledgehammer. Of course, I usually end up doing the deed, but like Jack's idea, it is very satisfying and actually provides a great workout too! I also sight in my deer rifle with them, and use them for target practice when I'm shooting my .45. Fun! Jim On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 08:28 -0500, Jack Coats wrote: I agree with Sky. There used to be 'low level format' available on cheap IDE controllers that worked pretty well. The best I remember seeing that kept the drive useable was an old dos/windows program that did a 'distructive disk test' that I used several times on different disks that were otherwise un-recoverable anyway. I wish I could remember its name. You could build a small sh script to use dd to write some pattern till it filled up a drive using different patterns on various passes, but that is kind of a pain. If you are discarding a UNIX derivative, just do a fresh install with a different type of file system. A good way to physically demolish one is to take it to your local neighborhood blacksmith (I had one across the street when I lived in Houston) and go with him to his forge. Melt the drive to a nice pool of silicon and aluminum sludge. It is very satisfying. It is really hard to recover data after that. Pouring the sludge into a nice paper weight, door stop, etc is also fun. ... Actually a good coal fired BBQ of old disk drives behind the HC one weekend could be a nice community support project! :) ... Then cast them into trophies for 'worst security' to be handed out to folks at the next Phreaknic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Data security?
I probably shouldn't have called it hot-swap. It is just a removable drive bay and I always shut down to swap the drives around, although I think there are some commands to do it, hot, I just don't really trust them. Chris On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting... I didn't know IDE did hot swap. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I'll chime in with another vote for DBAN. The only thing I have to add is that DBAN (stable) supports most, but not all controllers. I have a second CD with DBAN beta that seems to support other (AHCI) controllers. Between the two of those CD's, I don't have any problem wiping drives. I actually have a really old server that just sits in the rack doing drive wipes (with DBAN) and drive testing (with SpinRite) of old drives (thanks to a couple hot-swap bays for SATA and IDE drives.) It takes so long to wipe and to test that I just make a habit of going in there once a day and swapping out the just wiped or tested drive with the next one in my stack. Chris On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Jim Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: My kids (the 12-yr-old boy 8-yr old girl) like to try and take turns with the sledgehammer. Of course, I usually end up doing the deed, but like Jack's idea, it is very satisfying and actually provides a great workout too! I also sight in my deer rifle with them, and use them for target practice when I'm shooting my .45. Fun! Jim On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 08:28 -0500, Jack Coats wrote: I agree with Sky. There used to be 'low level format' available on cheap IDE controllers that worked pretty well. The best I remember seeing that kept the drive useable was an old dos/windows program that did a 'distructive disk test' that I used several times on different disks that were otherwise un-recoverable anyway. I wish I could remember its name. You could build a small sh script to use dd to write some pattern till it filled up a drive using different patterns on various passes, but that is kind of a pain. If you are discarding a UNIX derivative, just do a fresh install with a different type of file system. A good way to physically demolish one is to take it to your local neighborhood blacksmith (I had one across the street when I lived in Houston) and go with him to his forge. Melt the drive to a nice pool of silicon and aluminum sludge. It is very satisfying. It is really hard to recover data after that. Pouring the sludge into a nice paper weight, door stop, etc is also fun. ... Actually a good coal fired BBQ of old disk drives behind the HC one weekend could be a nice community support project! :) ... Then cast them into trophies for 'worst security' to be handed out to folks at the next Phreaknic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Experience installing WAP
Howard, why are you using WEP? WEP is totally broken and can now be cracked within 60 seconds! Please, please, please use WPA. In this installation, if they need two wireless networks, why not just set up one with WPA encryption called Private_Network and another one using no encryption (on a different channel, called Public_Network. If you're going to offer people free wifi, they won't care about cracking into another SSID that they can see. Furthermore, if you're using a good security algorithm (WPA and not WEP), then they won't be able to break into it, except for brute force and if you use a good password, that will be virtually impossible. Chris On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: JMJ wrote: Howard White wrote: What was also fun was that the two different Windows XP systems acted quite differently regarding their wireless property screens. Consistent user interface? Fat chance! You mentioned The director's laptop had a Dell specific utility that made connecting to a WAP with hidden ESSID. So, you're probably comparing a Windows XP default utility to a Dell proprietary utility. If that's the case, one can't really fault Windows. [gasp] OMG... did I just defend Windows? :-( Seriously though... if that's the same Dell utility I've used, it's quite handy. Spot on, Joey! The director and I picked up on that immediately and had the other staff bring in the Toshiba that did not have said utility. We were able to get to the Wireless network preferences screen (well hidden, by the way) and complete the config. Could not find Wireless network preferences on the Dell and the director suspected as much because of the Dell utility. And around and around and around... Let us know when you get to the penetration testing phase of your project, I'm sure a few folks would be happy to have a crack at it. :-) JMJ Care to join the Hacker Consortium Red team?? Howard White --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Topics/Presentations for tomorrow's NLUG meeting?
Has anyone offered to do a presentation at tomorrow's NLUG meeting? If not, anyone got any ideas for presentations or discussions? Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Wifi Issue
I'm a big fan of the Linksys and Buffalo routers that are compatible with the open source firmware. We used these all over our campus (at Watkins College) for our campus-wide wireless network. We use the Tomato firmware (a few less features, but stable and simple to set up) and have our whole, 3-building campus covered with Wifi for the cost of ten $40-50 routers. The Buffalo routers seem to have more transmission power, but they are sometimes a bit more expensive. You can get the Linksys routers on sale and they are for sale just about everywhere. Chris On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Price has gone up to $50... still a good deal but makes me hesitate. I do want one that is dd-wrt compatible, but, like you, am on a budget. We will see. Andy On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Don Delp nesma...@gmail.com wrote: If you're looking for new hardware, a friend of mine is buying this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDealscm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NAItem=N82E16833122273 It's $30 and dd-wrt compatible. If I wasn't on a budget, I'd buy 2. ooof IMHO get anything but netgear maybe with dd-wrt it is different, but as for the oem firmware, I have firewall compatibility issues with with 90% of the netgear equip I interface to whether it be a residential or commercial jobsite. Linksys does have the WRT54GL, which is marketed directly to the open source firmware community. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#WRT54GL Although newer systems have more horsepower, the long tested and proven compatibility of the model is worth much. As long as you dont trip on the Cisco Law Suit. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Evan Esar - Anger is the feeling that makes your mouth work faster than your mind. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/39100.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: [OT]Windows security?
I like to install Windows Defender on every Windows machine, first of all. It is actually pretty good and is self-updating and runs tests automatically on a regular schedule. Next, I usually install Spyware Blaster which performs spyware immunization of the machine and various browsers installed (it doesn't do spyware cleaning, it does spyware immunization.) Next, I put on Spybot Search and Destroy to look for any problems (if I have reason to think there might be some.) If I have a really sick machine, I'll get Malwarebytes, which is free and also very good. All of those programs are free and I've encountered very few machines that cannot be cleaned up with that combination, unless they have some large amount of viruses, in which case, you'll know that something is very wrong with them. Chris On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Timothy Ball timb...@tux.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 08:37:13AM -0500, Drew wrote: Yeah, it's off topic. However, in my experience the amount of knowledge readily available on this list is huge, and I have a lot of respect for most of the opinions expressed in matters technical here. But lets suppose, that even though we've taken reasonable steps to ensure that windows machines on our network are not compromised, the powers that be still want to make sure that nothing has happened to any of them. Short of reinstalling machines just because, or getting rid of them and having everyone use linux, what's the best way to make certain a windows machine is not compromised? To rephrase, what is the best (free or otherwise) software package to use to check for spyware, malware, viruses, keyloggers, and other nefarious schemes to take over the world that may be brewing on a windows computer? Thanks for the feedback. nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure -- hudson [0] --timball [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q -- GPG key available on pgpkeys.mit.edu pub 1024D/511FBD54 2001-07-23 Timothy Lu Hu Ball timb...@tux.org Key fingerprint = B579 29B0 F6C8 C7AA 3840 E053 FE02 BB97 511F BD54 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: [OT]Windows security?
Untangle is great. I use it here to keep some spyware and viruses out. I have noticed a marked decrease in those problems since we started using it. Chris Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: PPL that run windows and think they are protected by Windows Default Firewall are sorely mistaken. Slam a firewall to head your Internet connection and that will pretty much stop everything dead in its tracks. I Use untangle at home and a few businesses in Nashvile i have contracts with and they have 0 problems On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I like to install Windows Defender on every Windows machine, first of all. It is actually pretty good and is self-updating and runs tests automatically on a regular schedule. Next, I usually install Spyware Blaster which performs spyware immunization of the machine and various browsers installed (it doesn't do spyware cleaning, it does spyware immunization.) Next, I put on Spybot Search and Destroy to look for any problems (if I have reason to think there might be some.) If I have a really sick machine, I'll get Malwarebytes, which is free and also very good. All of those programs are free and I've encountered very few machines that cannot be cleaned up with that combination, unless they have some large amount of viruses, in which case, you'll know that something is very wrong with them. Chris On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Timothy Ball timb...@tux.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 08:37:13AM -0500, Drew wrote: Yeah, it's off topic. However, in my experience the amount of knowledge readily available on this list is huge, and I have a lot of respect for most of the opinions expressed in matters technical here. But lets suppose, that even though we've taken reasonable steps to ensure that windows machines on our network are not compromised, the powers that be still want to make sure that nothing has happened to any of them. Short of reinstalling machines just because, or getting rid of them and having everyone use linux, what's the best way to make certain a windows machine is not compromised? To rephrase, what is the best (free or otherwise) software package to use to check for spyware, malware, viruses, keyloggers, and other nefarious schemes to take over the world that may be brewing on a windows computer? Thanks for the feedback. nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure -- hudson [0] --timball [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q -- GPG key available on pgpkeys.mit.edu pub 1024D/511FBD54 2001-07-23 Timothy Lu Hu Ball timb...@tux.org Key fingerprint = B579 29B0 F6C8 C7AA 3840 E053 FE02 BB97 511F BD54 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: backup power advice
My 2 cents on this topic: If you can do this small scale (and this may not apply to your situation) get a Kill-A-Watt and hook up each of your devices through it. It will tell you EXACTLY how may watts/amps/etc each device is actually pulling from the wall. You can test different devices under different conditions (like the power used at startup or when running at full load.) The Kill-A-Watt (and other devices like it) are pretty cheap (under $50) and tell you exactly what you're using. As I mentioned, this is good for a small scale project. If you've got hundreds or thousands or different devices, then this probably won't work for you. Chris On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: When doing your power spreadsheet, go get a clamp on amp meter, and measure some 'typical' devices. Nameplate numbers are much higher than most configurations. Or better, have an electrician come through and measure your REAL power requirements. But take into consideration, if your systems are turned off, turning them on hits you with an extra high surge load for a few seconds for each system. This is due to startup current for motors in fans for cooling in equipment, disk drives, etc. This surge can be significantly higher than 'running' power, and can shift the power load so it is not insignificant. Some disk drive have 'staggered' power up options. I you have lots of drives, consider re-strapping the drives for staggered startup. In an old SCSI data center systems that some folks were building, they built several LARGE SCSI disk farms. After hearing about that I mentined it to them over a cup of coffee. They just looked at each other and excused themselves to start opening up all the large SCSI raid enclosures so they could re-strap all the drives. Even a large commercial data center (that was designed for the old big IBM mainframes) would stagger under a thousand or more of SCSI drives coming up at the same time after a power outage! It is a challenge to know how to size everything. Oversizing is a costly option to not doing a full analysis. IHS ... Jack --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: LFS or Gentoo?
I think there are some minimalist distributions, a la Puppy Linux and Knoppix that can be installed on a small USB/Flash drive and can be customized to your needs. That might be a little easier way to go. You will be able to change hardware platforms at will and you won't have to build it from scratch. It will already be there and you can just tweak a couple settings on it and have it boot a basically read-only system that can be reset to defaults every time the machine reboots. Chris On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jim_Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Y'all! I'm going to do a custom OS for our library, and I figure the best way to get what we need is to make it myself. Since the stations this is going on only have to be able to render a web page w/Flash, JavaScript and Java, all we really need is a hardware OS and a browser. I'll likely go with Firefox as a browser, and these machines will have no Internet access at all - only internal network. I'm not worried about a minimalist approach to the OS, but the ITX machines this is going on will have an Atom processor, 1GB RAM, onboard video, an internal 8GB CF card for a hard drive, and be fanless; essentially a solid-state computer that might draw 30 Watts at a full load. So, picking the brains of you who have been doing this longer than I, and not to start a Flamefest, which would be easier? Keep in mind that I am not afraid of the command line, but do remember that I have never started with this little before! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Wifi Issue
I've started to see them for sale on Newegg and Amazon just in the past month or two. Chris On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Wayne Fay wayne...@gmail.com wrote: The Buffalo routers seem to have more transmission power, but they are sometimes a bit more expensive. You can get the Linksys routers on sale and they are for sale just about everywhere. The Buffalo routers are great, but they are tough to find in the US due to the CSIRO case in Australia. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/22/csiro_settles_14_wifi_patent_lawsuits/ But now that they have settled, hopefully we'll see more Buffalo gear here in the US in short order. Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: E-Waste recycling this weekend
We're having a recycling event at Watkins, next week on May 21 and 22. The Green Earth Computer Recycling folks will be here with a few tables and such collecting recyclables including computers, monitors, servers, printers, copiers, TVs (limit 1), wires, cell phones, batteries, etc. on those days. Have questions about items you wish to recycle? Call them at 262-9279. Chris On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Don Delp nesma...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Kevin Hart bowl...@gmail.com wrote: http://nashvillest.com/2009/05/14/drop-off-your-ewaste-at-lp-field-this-saturday/ Dont forget that most of our toys contain heavy metals and such that shouldnt go into the landfills. So take it to be recycled. -- -Kevin You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred, but if you spend enough time and money, you sure can make a mighty fast pig Is open to residents outside of TN or Nashville? I couldn't find anything that said otherwise. I've got some stuff in my shed that's too old to sent to FreeGeek and expect them to get any use out of it. (Plus, I don't want to pay to recycle my old CRTs) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: (!!!!READ THIS!!!!) Ideas To Grow Our Group From May 2009 Meeting
I'm interested in an Install Fest. I think I can get approval to use some rooms, here at Watkins. I don't know how large to expect the event, but I can get 3 or more room that will handle about 20 people computers each. (Each room has Wifi and a projector, as well.) I assume we would hold this kind of event on a Saturday? Anyone else out there interested? I can supply the location, but I've never been involved in an install fest, so I'll need some help with the logistics. Chris On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: I think this is needed as well. I have noticed there are many jobs going unfilled right now needing programmers. And now especially anyone with sys-admin skills that can program are in demand. Just as an example of the need. I suggested to my GF and a couple friends that I could teach them how to program and use their current artistic skills to make a decent web app shop. Something they could run in their private time. Not only did I get a lot of interest from them, but even some of the spouses as well. I do have to remind you all though that while the perl classes had decent attendance, there was two kinds of attendees. Those there just to learn, and those who were interested in learning secondary to the social meeting. I admit I was a member of the second group mostly. I do not remember making many if any converts from the classes to members of NLUG. I'm not certain that would be any different now. The people I am privately teaching wouldn't have an interest in coming to an NLUG meeting. I don't know that the classes themselves specifically brought in permanent members, however, the presence of the classes and the breadth of NLUG in general was definitely a drawing point for people. I think that if people knew that it was possible to triple your salary by taking one of these free classes that NLUG offers, we might see more attendance in both the classes and the group as a whole. Note that the tripling of salary is direct personal experience, not annecdotal. I went from a $25k / year job to a $75k / year job directly as a consequence of knowing Perl. Yes, I had to move from Nashville to DC, but it did happen. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: (!!!!READ THIS!!!!) Ideas To Grow Our Group From May 2009 Meeting
I should have mentioned in my previous email that I have several older computers that I can throw in for testing or whatever. (500 -1500 MHz machines.) I've also got lots of CRT's and various parts. Chris On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Jim Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: I'm in! Jim Peterson Technology Coordinator Goodnight Memorial Library 203 S. Main St. Franklin, KY 42134 (270) 586-8397 www.gmpl.org Library Technology Blog http://jimmythegeek.livejournal.com On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 16:55 -0500, Jonathan Moore wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I assume we would hold this kind of event on a Saturday? Anyone else out there interested? I can supply the location, but I've never been involved in an install fest, so I'll need some help with the logistics. I'd be up for coming down that way for an InstallFest. A few of use from the Evansville area LUG would probably head down there as well. -jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Multiple line SIP ATA
I've got a couple options. Option 1 - Just buy IP phones and use those. Have all of them talk to the SIP provider and be done with it. Option 2 - Buy a VoIP appliance (there are lots of different ones) with enough analog jacks for your phones (or maybe a mix of analog and digital phones) and use their management gui (probably a local or remote web server) to configure the system. Option 3 - Roll your own Asterisk system or use Trixbox (which is easier than building Asterisk from scratch) and an analog card or two. I happen to have a Digium 8 port FXS card that we just took out of service, if you're interested. Chris On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Tim Jackson jackson@gmail.com wrote: Most ITSPs and their SBCs will release audio if the 2 endpoints are from behind the same firewall/IP... So audio wouldn't actually go out and come back in, just be hairpinned @ the ATA... Might be a good thing to check with the ITSP though... -- Tim On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Don McMorris don.mcmor...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/18/09, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: - Kevin Hart bowl...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any decent, not bank breaking, SIP ATA's out there that can handle more than one phone line over voip? Say we have a small office and want to just use basic phones. Have a SIP server already out there that we can connect to on the net that will provide dial tone to us. Rather not build an Asterisk box for the issue...just need some adapters to plug those phones into. Like say at least 4 phones, to say 2-8 phone lines. Is this just a pipe dream? Am I going to be forced to build out a full phone system for this office just for this issue? Yes your idea is a bit of a pipe dream. Here is why. Without putting in asterisk or similar software, how do you handle the presentation of calls. Specifically, if a call comes in, which SIP adapter gets the call and which phone gets rung? Do you want more than one to be rung? If I understand Have a SIP server already out there that we can connect to on the net that will provide dial tone to us correctly, you want to use a third-party SIP host with a 4-line ATA. That is, all your calls (even intra-office) would be through the ATA, to the ITSP, and back to the ATA... right? You wouldn't be all that bad off using a asterisk box to be a funnel on both sides for your calls and presentation. Plus you have a few options for your hardware then. You could go and look ahead to being bigger and buy a channel bank and a T1 card to interface it in. This would let you use some cheap 2 line phones at your desktop and go from the 2-8 to 4-16 lines needed. This allows you to put some one on hold while you select the second line to confer with someone. Or you could turn off callwaiting and just see the blinking second line as an indicator instead of interupting calls. Of course you could do the same with some SIP UAs and reduce your wiring, but again, having asterisk or similar in your own control allows you to dictate behavior on your own terms instead of waiting for your provider set things up for you. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: (!!!!READ THIS!!!!) Ideas To Grow Our Group From May 2009 Meeting
Good point. Something Russ mentioned to me off-list, was Myth TV. There seems to be a lot of interest in it and a lot of people that would love some hands-on help getting it set up. Perhaps a targeted kind of install fest, like a MythTV Install Fest (as just one example) would be a good idea? Chris On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Sheehan jonathan.shee...@gmail.com wrote: In the old days, installfests were the best thing since sliced bread, and NLUG has at times excelled at them. But by this decade, most distros have gotten their installers to the point that the installation is a pretty simple exercise (modulo rare hardware). Attendance at our installfests dropped off pretty sharply, as people found that the installation could usually be completed with a few clicks. We adapted to that by combining them with tweak-fests- helping with the setup of the newly-installed system for new users, getting the multimedia working, and finding/compiling drivers for the occasional odd bit of hardware. But we still suffered from some pretty paltry turnout, at times. So I don't want to discourage the installfest plans (heck, I'll probably show up) but to avoid disappointment, we need to have a plan to drum up attendees -- advertise heavily to undregrads, identify specific interested individuals, offer free software CDs -- is there someone with marketing expertise/enthusiasm lurking this year who'd be willing to pitch in? Otherwise, it may just be an NLUG meeting with an overabundance of hardware -- not a bad thing in itself, of course -- but let's make sure we match up our goals and expectations. -J'n --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: INSTALLFEST (was Re: (!!!!READ THIS!!!!) Ideas To Grow OurGroup From May 2009 Meeting)
Very interesting. I'm checking this out today! Chris On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: A great tool for installfests would be the Ultimate Deployment Appliance, a free VMware appliance that has everything you need for PXE booting unattended installs of Windows, Linux, Solaris, even ESX Server. http://www.ultimatedeployment.org/ You could run the appliance on a laptop running VMware Workstation, Player or Server and the install images on the E450. :) I've used this appliance before. Great piece of software. :] On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, crash...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, I am glad this topic has caused a flurry of activity amongst the group. I was going to sell my Sun Enterprise 450 server. However, this mini-fridge size server may be better suited for holding some 320GB drives with images loaded on them. Hell, the server can hold 20 separate SCSI hard drives. It has 4x 400MHz cpus with 4GB of memory for it. Who wants to host some images? Howard, I wish I knew you had those hard drives. -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: (!!!!READ THIS!!!!) Ideas To Grow Our Group From May 2009 Meeting
I think we've got enough bandwidth for Uustream or Stickam. It isn't two way conferencing, just unidirectional broadcasting. The viewers could chat back on IRC. Chris Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2009, at 10:26 PM, sophri...@gmail.com wrote: On May 19, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Robert Simpson wrote: That we do not teleconference is more a function of the restrictions of the facility. We are the guests of the Vanderbilt Biostatistics department. Yes, we have internet access in the room in which we meet. Yes, we probably could set up a camera or some such. Streaming? Two way conferencing? Probably overstepping our hosts... What if we theatered the cameras off our own cell signal... I have even seen software that turns a cell phone into a streaming cam Andrew McElroy Howard White --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Committee/Planning Meeting for InstallFest - May 28, 2009 6 - 8pm at Neely's BBQ
The meeting at Neely's is at 6 pm on Thursday night. Chris Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Kevin Eldridge wrote: Hello NLUG, Hello Kevin, May I break this message into pieces to separate the planning meeting from the Installfest. I got confused! We are going to hold an InstallFest on Saturday, June 20, 2009 at Watkins College of Art Design. Got that part. Folks have already expressed their excitement to me about the event. More details will follow after a planning meeting tomorrow night at Neely's BBQ beside Watkins College of Art Design. Know where the BBQ is; what time is the planning meeting. I have another meeting at 2000 on Elm Hill Pike. Chris McQuistion and Curt Lundgren are going to allow us to use 2 - 3 classrooms for this event. They are very kind to offer their facility and time for NLUG. If you want to have a say so in how this is done, you need to come down tomorrow night to give your input. Have my Ubuntu repository mirror rebuilt, ready to go. I trust Chris and Curt have a network plan in mind for isolating NLUG while allowing internet access. My mirror will have a minimal firewall to put the installers behind but that doesn't deal with the other direction. There should not be a problem but why have any doubt. We will need volunteers to ask business's permission to put up fliers so that people are aware we are having this event. Start thinking of places you think people will be able to see these fliers and may want to come out. Remind me to make an announcement at Robertson County Chamber of Commerce meeting, June 18 :) The event at Watkins on June 20 should last from 10am to 5pm tentatively and we will need volunteers to help people bringing computers. We may ask Chris if there are a few monitors at Watkins that installers might use so they don't have to drag those 80lb. CRTs around. So many folks have adjourned to laptops these days... snip If you have any questions, please call me at 615-830-4541 or e-mail at crash...@gmail.com Thank you, Kevin Eldridge Nashville Linux Users Group President Thank you, Kevin. Looking forward to making this happen. Howard White --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: ***ATTENTION*** InstallFest On June 20, 2009 at Watkins College of Art Design ***ATTENTION***
*Please do not worry, it will take that long to install Linux on your computer.* *I think you meant Please do not worry, it will NOT take that long to install Linux on your computer.* * * * * * * On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Kevin Eldridge crash...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NLUG, We have not held an InstallFest in a very, very long time. The time is fast approaching and we need your help to spread the word of the event. The details of the event are listed below along with a flier that you can, with the business's approval, post at businesses around your area or places you want to post them. Event Details (Metrocenter): Watkins College of Art Design 2298 Rosa Parks Blvd Nashville, TN 37228 Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 Time: 10:00am - 5:00pm Flier: http://www.curtlundgren.com/install-fest.pdf Please do not worry, it will take that long to install Linux on your computer. Installing Linux is usually a straightforward and easy process. However, we will have members of NLUG there to assist you in case you experience any difficulties. We will have 7 computers setup with some of the most popular Linux distributions from http://www.distrowatch.com; i.e. Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, CentOS, etc. You can test them out before you install them on your laptop, netbook, or desktop computer. Please use the flier wisely and post them as soon as you can to spread the word! It will take all of us to make this event a success! Thank you very much and I look forward to meeting some newcomers to the Linux world, Kevin Eldridge Nashville Linux Users Group President --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: power rating of mobo drive signal led connector
I just threw my multimeter on the power led connector on my motherboard and it measured 5V DC. Chris On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: any idea where one might find that? or if there is a standard level they all meet I have a case with no hdd led on it, but there is a multi-led circuit in the lid that usually feeds from a power connector tap and I can change the connector to mate it with the hdled on the mobo but dont yet know if I should. I am not a fan of freeing the magic smoke from my desktop. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Samuel Goldwyn - You've got to take the bitter with the sour. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23534.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: power rating of mobo drive signal led connector
You can swap the power LED and HD LED on a motherboard with no ill effects (I've miss-plugged them, plenty of times) so if you just want to know if you can plug the power LED into the HD LED header, then the quick answer is yes. Chris On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: thanks, but what is the power rating(watts) or maxCurrent On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I just threw my multimeter on the power led connector on my motherboard and it measured 5V DC. Chris On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: any idea where one might find that? or if there is a standard level they all meet I have a case with no hdd led on it, but there is a multi-led circuit in the lid that usually feeds from a power connector tap and I can change the connector to mate it with the hdled on the mobo but dont yet know if I should. I am not a fan of freeing the magic smoke from my desktop. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Samuel Goldwyn - You've got to take the bitter with the sour. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23534.html -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Unknown http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1070.html - It's hard to be nostalgic when you can't remember anything. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: over-clocked ram
I've done a lot of overclocking over the years and for memory, this is my take: If you can get faster memory, for not much more money, and it doesn't take much more voltage to run at that speed (which would generate more heat and require more cooling), then it might be worth doing. If the cost doubles and the performance only goes up a fraction, then don't bother. You have to consider that the memory is just part of the overall performance equation. Even if the memory at a 50% faster bus speed, it won't make your entire computer performance 50% faster. It might only make it 2% faster, overall, because of other performance limiters, like the CPU, the graphics card, the hard drive, etc. Sometimes, you go through all this trouble to get those couple percentage points of real-world performance improvements, but it takes a lot of time or money or hassle or crashing to get those few percentage points. Chris On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: If you are a super-performance enthusiast with money to burn, then yes, overclocked memory is worth the extra cost, When you tried it, did it seem worth 2-times the cost? For example, 1300MHz ram is being over-clocked to 2000MHz, and then sold with an O.C. label on it for about twice the price. extra heat, increased chance of instability, and extra cooling that may be required. If those things sound like bad things to you (as they do me) then overclocked memory is probably not worth it. Yes, these things seem questionable to me too. The thing is, all these hardware vendors are selling the ram over-clocked at the time of purchase. If the manufacturers and vendors are promoting over-clocked hardware, then is it less risky? I'm leaning towards the regular lower speed ram, just curious what the others were doing. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
I'm not a roll-your-own firewall kind of guy. I generally find a distribution that is already tailored to my needs and go from there. Over the years, I've used MANY different Linux-based firewall distros and a couple BSD-based firewall distros. In my experience, the BSD-based systems require much less memory and CPU power and have been very stable and reliable. The downside, for me, is that I can't usually modify the system past what it was designed for, because my knowledge of BSD is so slim and there just isn't as much software available for BSD as there is for Linux-based systems. I'm using both BSD-based and Linux-based systems in my organization because I try to use the systems best suited for the job and my abilities. pfSense is a firewall distribution that is BSD-based and it does some things (like load balancing) much better than any Linux-based system I've used. I also use Untangle (a Linux-based firewall distro) in transparent mode because it offers some features that work better than other distros (like traffic, content, and virus filtering.) My two cents. Chris On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: Please, I am NOT trying to start a flame war, this is an honest request for knowledge. I am curious to know why someone would choose to use BSD rather than Linux and vice versa. I have read several articles talking about BSD being carefully thought out as a whole and designed and tested to rigorous standards where Linux is not, but I am wondering if this is still as true as it once was. Pointing me in the direction of some current articles would be fine. Thanks, Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: [nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
*you can swat flies with a shotgun, but a flyswatter is better you can spread spackling with a flyswatter, but a spackle knife is better* you can kill zombies with a spackle knife, but a shotgun is better. -- Forwarded message -- From: ./aal aalh...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM Subject: [nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sky Dogskydog...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my unsolicited .02. I have FreeBSD running a 25.5 terabyte array at Vandy. Actually, I have two identical systems, that rsync each other every 4 hours. Within 3 feet of that, is a box running Ubuntu, which then has virtual machines on it, running FreeBSD. Once of those is running Nagios, which watches all of the servers I watch. In my office, there are several laptops running Backtrack 4, which was based on Debian originally, and should now be based on Ubuntu. There's a MacBook Pro with OS/X which is based on FreeBSD. There are also four other machines in my office running WIndows XP, and one running WIndows 7. The moral to the story? There isn't one. A good craftsman uses the tools available to him, in the manner best served by their strengths/weaknesses. I have many machines setup for different things. Sure, ubuntu runs apache just fine... But I prefer FreeBSD for a webserver. I like ubuntu as a workstation, as opposed to FreeBSD. (I've used freebsd as a workstation) It depends on what you want to accomplish, and how you want to get there. Everyone has an opinion, and sometimes that can get in the way of you getting to your final destination. Make your own decisions, and give it a shot. It may not always work... Thanks guys, for not dogging FreeBSD. It's always been there for me, but it's not the only tool I have. :) -Sky exactly, you can swat flies with a shotgun, but a flyswatter is better you can spread spackling with a flyswatter, but a spackle knife is better it is possible to be PRO-A without being ANTI-B -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Samuel Goldwyn - You've got to take the bitter with the sour. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23534.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
LOL! Actually, I really like Windows 7, too. It's no Linux, of course (pardon me, while I put on my flame-proof jacket...) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.comwrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Reminder: Linux InstallFest tomorrow (Saturday, June 20)
Just wanted to send out a reminder about the Linux InstallFest tomorrow (Saturday, June 20) at Watkins College. More details (and directions) at the NLUG website: http://nlug.wikispot.org/ If you're bringing a desktop computer, please remember to bring a mouse, keyboard, ethernet cable, power cable, power strip (if possible) and monitor (if possible.) If you forget something or can't bring something, don't worry, we'll have spare cables and monitors and such, but it would make things easier if everyone would bring what they can. The InstallFest will be from 10AM to 5PM. Come on down when you can and stay as long as you like! I think it will be a lot of fun. Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] InstallFest ideas for next time
I've been thinking about our InstallFest this last weekend and what worked well and what we can learn from the event and maybe do better next time. I've been passing this around the IRC channel for a little while and this is what I've got so far: - I think we need to do a better job of welcoming people, NLUG members and non-NLUG members, especially. To that end, I think the following might be a good idea. - Have a sign-in table where people can sign their name and email address and pick up a name tag (and maybe even some goody bags with Linux CD's and other information) - Have some event volunteers in some kind of special garb (like a red T-Shirt that says NLUG or something) that would be clearly identifiable and willing to help anyone who needs help or has a question. - Have a scrolling slideshow somewhere at the event (preferably at the head of the room or something) with information like: - Formal Welcome - What is NLUG? - When/Where does NLUG meet? - NLUG website, IRC channel, and mailing list - Invitation/Instructions for any demo machines, wireless network, etc. - Time/Location of any special scheduled presentations or demos. - If you have any questions, please see any of the event volunteers in the red NLUG T-Shirts. - Reminder to sign in at sign-in table - Other slides... - Follow up with all event attendees (as determined by sign in sheets) with an email a few days after the event with information about our website, how to get on the mailing list, how to get on IRC, etc. - A little more organized next time and get a couple volunteers to help set up and tear down. It isn't hard to do, but it would have gone faster if I had thought about it ahead of time and asked for some volunteers. - Scheduled and unscheduled presentations/demos/installs in a separate room. We could get some of these prepared in advance (by putting out an invitation to the mailing list) and then schedule them in a separate room where we could really geek out on a specific topic and have full-screen projection for the whole thing. If we get organized enough, we could even post the topics to the website so potential visitors will see what we're going to be doing and when we're going to be doing it. I think this would get some people interested who might not be, otherwise. - Demo machines. I don't think the demo machines set up was really used very much this time around, but Igneous suggested in the IRC room that we set up one box with lots of RAM with VirtualBox and Compiz and workspaces, so people can demo all the distros one one box and even switch between them. This could also be projected, perhaps. - Schedule Install Fests on a regular basis (every 3 months on the 3rd Saturday of the month, I'm thinking?) so we can drum up some repeat visitors and get the buzz built up over time. Well, that's my two cents. Please chime in and let me know what you think. I had a blast and I'd like to do it again and see if we can do even better! Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Wireless (radio) access point question.
Yes on both counts. For ease of use, just use the same SSID on all access points, but use different channels, where possible. Try to just use Channel 1, 6, and 11, as those are the so-called clear channels. If you have some close neighbors using any of those channels, then avoid them. Chris On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Perkins, Jerry je...@jperkins.us wrote: I am updating the wireless (radio) network at our Church. So a couple of best practices questions. 1) For the SSID, is it best to use the same one for each access point? 2) Is it best to use different radio frequencies (aka channels) or the same common frequency? -- Jerry Perkins - http://www.jperkins.us/ 7 cardinal sins lust -- as in lust for power which is what Windows users have because they don't have that much. gluttony -- as in the way Windows eats memory. greed -- as in the dictionary definition of Micro$oft. sloth -- as in lazy programmers writing a gaming platform and passing it off as an OS. wrath -- five words: Steve Ballmer throwing a chair envy -- what Windows people have of 'nix. pride -- as in a pride of lions, except they're actually Micro$oft lawyers. Still fierce, destructive carnivorous beasts though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: OT: Liquid Latex
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Greg Jones ci...@yahoo.com wrote: My first question is what kind of liquid latex? Plaza Art carries a variety of liquid latex for molding and casting and they do have it in a gallon (I think it was $45ish a gallon). Those are from Sculpture House and are vulcanized (which has some cure inhibitions). Michael's carries a mold latex (from Casting Craft) that is not vulcanized, but has some minor shrinkage and is only in a quart IIRC. Depending on what you are doing you may need to order it. This is the time of year to do it since temperatures are high. I hope this helps. Greg - Original Message From: Jack j...@coats.org To: NLUG nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:59:42 PM Subject: [nlug] OT: Liquid Latex Where can I find liquid latex in Nashville? I need a couple of gallons. At a reasonable price of course. (in the range of $50/gal or less) No, not computer related, but I thought this is a pretty diverse set of folks that might know! TIA ... Jack --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Linus: Microsoft Hated is a Disease
Very nice read. I have to agree with Linus entirely that Microsoft Hatred really is a disease. To be honest, blind Microsoft hatred and unproductive/unnecessary Microsoft-bashing are the two things that really put me off of the Linux community at times. Is Linux a better option for many, many things, over Microsoft? Sure, but that doesn't mean that Linux users should become zealots who take sick pleasure out of bashing Microsoft (a software vendor that they don't even use) at every possible opportunity. This is the same issue that I get frustrated at Apple about, too. Apple's entire marketing campaign for the past 5+ years has been centered on pointing out the (real/imagined) problems of their chief competitor, rather than actually talk about the *advantages* of their product. Mac OS X *has *advantages over Microsoft. Linux *has* advantages over Microsoft. Why not talk about the *real* advantages of your platform, rather than beat up on the other guy? My two cents... Chris On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.comwrote: Very interesting read http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Microsoft_Hatred_Is_a_Disease_ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Blu-Ray on Linux
Blu Ray (movies) won't play under Linux. It has a bunch of DRM wrapped around it and the only OS that can play Blu Ray movies (right now) is Windows. Mac OS X can't even do it, yet. Chris On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jim_Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: My brother is wanting to venture into putting a Blu-Ray drive into a media-center box. Anyone got any ideas as to how to make that work in Linux? Most of the forums don't say anything about it, but I figured some of you guys might have given it a shot as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Nokia N900
There are some more Android phones coming out in the next few months. If I weren't hopelessly in love with my iPhone, I'd get an Androd, just not the G1. It has terrible battery life. Chris On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Schultheiss schul...@gmail.comwrote: JMJ wrote: Who's going to buy a Nokia N900 as soon as they come out? http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10319133-94.html Looks like an interesting device, but _I_ can't justify the projected 500 Euro price tag. My VZW contract is up at the end of November and I was thinking about switching to T-Mobile and getting a G1. When I heard about the N900, I pretty much decided to get that instead, assuming it's available in the US. I've got an N810 and I've always said this would make a great phone and the N900 looks even better. The 700 EUR price is without any carrier discounts - it'll probably be cheaper if you commit to a 2 year contract. I've also heard rumors that it won't be available in the US but I'm hoping those rumors are false since it looks like the N900 supports T-Mobile USA's 3G frequencies. -- -- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schul...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Flyer for LinuxFest
The new flyer looks great! Thanks! Chris On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com wrote: The flyer for the September LinuxFest at Watkins College is available: http://www.curtlundgren.com/linuxfest_sept09_flyer.pdf (150k) If the PDF doesn't work for you, here's a JPEG version: http://www.curtlundgren.com/linuxfest_sept09_flyer.jpg (900k) Curt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Mobile system suggestions needed
Resistance is futile... Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:20 PM, JMJ roadr...@gmail.com wrote: Ken Barber wrote: Two words: Macbook Pro. Sent from my iPhone You've obviously been assimilated. LOL JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Mobile system suggestions needed
7200 RPM *IS* worth it, in almost every case. Chris On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM, JMJ roadr...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Boniol wrote: Long term, other than having more to lug and keep up with I agree another laptop would be your best option given that the company laptop is a lease. Agreed, new laptop is going to be the long term plan. AFAIK Mandriva Flash is only available from Mandriva, unless you can find someone willing to sell theirs. I found instructions on how to accomplish basically the same thing with a Mandriva derivative: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/make-your-own-portable-mandriva-flash/ I might try that, but for now, I'm going to try to copy my current install to a new drive and use that. Any thoughts on Western Digital vs. Seagate 500GB hard SATA drives? I found these at Best Buy: Seagate 500GB 7200rpm $139.99 500GB 5400rpm $119.99 WD 500GB 5400rpm $ 99.99 Would the 7200rpm be worth an extra $20? ...an extra $40?? Thanks again for all your thoughts and suggestions! JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Need help with VMware ESX problem
Wondering if anyone out there on the list might be able to shed some light on a problem I'm having with VMware ESX. First, the background... We are currently running what we call the Super Router, which is a CentOS 5 system with VMware Server installed (the free server version.) The system has 3 physical NICs, but we have about 15 NIC's configured on those various physical NICs, using VLANs. For example, we have eth1.22, eth1.23, eth1.24. Those are all on the eth1 card, running on VLAN 22, 23, and 24. This setup allows us to have a lot of networks coming in and going out of this system, while only requiring 3 physical cards. In the VMware server configuration, we use all bridged networking. We don't use any Host Only or NAT interfaces at all. Every VMware network is bridged to a network adapter like eth1.22, eth1.23, etc. Our virtual machines consist of a pfSense virtual machine that does all of our actual routing, 5 Untangle virtual machines, running in transparent mode, and a captive portal machine. Those Untangle machines do filtering, like P2P blocking, antivirus, and the like. Logically, data comes in from a WAN connection, goes into the pfSense router virtual machine and then goes out to an Untangle machine (via bridged networking) and out of the Untangle machine and onto our physical network. This is a nice setup because we have a virtual bridge between the servers by just linking them both to the same bridged interface. Here is today's problem... We have moved most of our servers over to VMware ESX, which is working really well. We would like to move all of our Super Router components over to VMware ESX and not run them all on this standalone VMware Server. The problem is that VMware ESX does networking completely differently from VMware Server. I don't see any way of setting up Host Only networking at all, in order to pass network traffic from one VM to another. I also don't see a way of setting up virtual adapters. I tried creating a Virtual Switch, tied to a particular network adapter and using a particular VLAN and then tried setting up my virtual machines to use those Virtual Switches to logically connect them (the output of one server goes into the input of another.) This doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Need help with VMware ESX problem
That makes total sense. It should work and I tried doing that (creating a virtual switch with no actual adapter attached and connecting both VM's to that switch.) The strange thing is that ~some~ things sort of work. For example, a Windows test machine can get an IP address from DHCP, but it can't ping out to the gateway or any computer on the other side of the Untangle server and no host outside can ping in to the Windows host, either? Chris On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Moore supermegat...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: ===8 VMware Server. I don't see any way of setting up Host Only networking at all, in order to pass network traffic from one VM to another. I also don't see a way of setting up virtual adapters. I tried creating a Virtual Switch, tied to a particular network adapter and using a particular VLAN and then tried setting up my virtual machines to use those Virtual Switches to logically connect them (the output of one server goes into the input of another.) This doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? I might not be following this correctly, but it sounds similar to something we had at one point. We only had two physical network cards in our ESXi server. We had three virtual switches configured. vSwitch0 was connected to vmnic0 (physical nic) vSwitch1 was connected to vmnic1 (physical nic) and vSwitch2 had no physical nic. vmnic0 was connected to our LAN and vmnic1 was connected into one of the DMZ ports on our edge switch, so in was basically on the Internet so to speak. vSwitch2 (which has no physical network) had a VM that had a virtual network card connected to vSwitch0 and vSwitch2. This VM was setup as a Linux router and routed traffic into and out of that virtual switch. I hope you're able to follow that. In the end, we were able to route traffic into and out of a virtual switch that had no physical connection to any real network by building a virtual machine with two network interfaces and using it as a router. Again, hopefully this makes some sense, and might be helpful. I wouldn't mind providing simple diagrams or the like if you need, or even a screen shot of vSphere or what not. -jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Need help with VMware ESX problem
I should also add that my preference would be to use some kind of bridged networking, as opposed to Host Only. The reasoning is that I would like to be able to run any of the Super Router component virtual machines on any of my 3 physical VMware ESX hosts. If the host that is hosting these collections of machines should go down, then all of them would be restarted on another host, but they might end up on different hosts. If they did, then the host only networking would be a problem because that is limited to running on each host, but not between them (if I understand correctly.) Chris On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.eduwrote: That makes total sense. It should work and I tried doing that (creating a virtual switch with no actual adapter attached and connecting both VM's to that switch.) The strange thing is that ~some~ things sort of work. For example, a Windows test machine can get an IP address from DHCP, but it can't ping out to the gateway or any computer on the other side of the Untangle server and no host outside can ping in to the Windows host, either? Chris On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Moore supermegat...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: ===8 VMware Server. I don't see any way of setting up Host Only networking at all, in order to pass network traffic from one VM to another. I also don't see a way of setting up virtual adapters. I tried creating a Virtual Switch, tied to a particular network adapter and using a particular VLAN and then tried setting up my virtual machines to use those Virtual Switches to logically connect them (the output of one server goes into the input of another.) This doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? I might not be following this correctly, but it sounds similar to something we had at one point. We only had two physical network cards in our ESXi server. We had three virtual switches configured. vSwitch0 was connected to vmnic0 (physical nic) vSwitch1 was connected to vmnic1 (physical nic) and vSwitch2 had no physical nic. vmnic0 was connected to our LAN and vmnic1 was connected into one of the DMZ ports on our edge switch, so in was basically on the Internet so to speak. vSwitch2 (which has no physical network) had a VM that had a virtual network card connected to vSwitch0 and vSwitch2. This VM was setup as a Linux router and routed traffic into and out of that virtual switch. I hope you're able to follow that. In the end, we were able to route traffic into and out of a virtual switch that had no physical connection to any real network by building a virtual machine with two network interfaces and using it as a router. Again, hopefully this makes some sense, and might be helpful. I wouldn't mind providing simple diagrams or the like if you need, or even a screen shot of vSphere or what not. -jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Need help with VMware ESX problem
Yeah, I looked at that setting and thought about it, but I don't really understand that setting well enough to know what the ramifications might be. I'll go ahead and test that, though. Can't hurt to try. (I just have a test setup right now anyway. No real machines or real data.) Chris On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Moore supermegat...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: That makes total sense. It should work and I tried doing that (creating a virtual switch with no actual adapter attached and connecting both VM's to that switch.) The strange thing is that ~some~ things sort of work. For example, a Windows test machine can get an IP address from DHCP, but it can't ping out to the gateway or any computer on the other side of the Untangle server and no host outside can ping in to the Windows host, either? Chris Have you allowed promiscuous mode in the virtual switch options? I found by doing that many things that before working somewhat well started working a bit better. There may be some security issues there, but that's a personal choice :-P. -jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Need help with VMware ESX problem
Yeah, I understand that they have things different. I just can't get them to seem to work. I created some virtual switches, connected to a particular network interface, and running on a particular VLAN. I would think that putting another computer on that same vSwitch would mean that the two could communicate and they do appear to communicate, somewhat, just not completely ??? This would work in my failover scenario because the managed switch that all the nodes are plugged into would all have their vSwitches configured the same, using the same VLANs to separate data and the managed switch they are plugged into would have those VLANs configured so it could pass data from one host to another on any VLAN if necessary. Chris On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Jonathan Moore supermegat...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I should also add that my preference would be to use some kind of bridged networking, as opposed to Host Only. The reasoning is that I would like to be able to run any of the Super Router component virtual machines on any of my 3 physical VMware ESX hosts. If the host that is hosting these collections of machines should go down, then all of them would be restarted on another host, but they might end up on different hosts. If they did, then the host only networking would be a problem because that is limited to running on each host, but not between them (if I understand correctly.) I may be totally wrong with this, but I don't think ESX treats networks in the same way VMware Server/Workstation did. That being, the ideas of host only, nat, and bridged networks were removed. It appears to me at least that with ESX you simply have virtual switches that can either be plugged into a physical switch or left alone. Those switches then can be configured into port groups to setup things like load balancing, trunking, VLAN, etc. I'm not sure how that plays into your questions about fail over though. -jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Reminder and Request for Linux Fest tomorrow
Just wanted to send out a reminder about the Linux Fest tomorrow, from 10-5 at Watkins College of Art, Design Film. There are directions and more details at the site (www.nlug.org). I also wanted to throw out a request for a couple volunteers to help set up and/or tear down. If you are available and would like to help, we would very much appreciate it. We'll start setting up at about 9:00. Thanks, Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Reminder and Request for Linux Fest tomorrow
Well that's a problem. Who is responsible for the web site? Chris Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Justin W Elam justin.w.e...@gmail.com wrote: the www.nlug.org domain name has expired please renew at your earliest conveinence cheers justin -- - Justin W Elam E-mail ::: - justin.w.e...@gmail.com ### --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] URGENT REISSUE: Reminder and Request for Linux Fest tomorrow
Just wanted to send out a reminder about the Linux Fest tomorrow, from 10-5 at Watkins College of Art, Design Film. There are directions and more details at the site http://nlug.wikispot.org/. I also wanted to throw out a request for a couple volunteers to help set up and/or tear down. If you are available and would like to help, we would very much appreciate it. We'll start setting up at about 9:00. Thanks, Chris P.S. I'm reissuing this email since the original email had www.nlug.orgwhich isn't resolving just now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Topics of interest for the Install Fest?
Sounds like a cool demonstration. I think we'll probably call out for some pizzas or something around lunch time. That's what we did last time. Chris On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.comwrote: Sure, I can even make up a live demonstration if you like. Would someone mind feeding me for my time? Food and some Mountain Dew perhaps would be all that I'd ask for my time. :) On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 13:26, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: Would you like to present on it? Chris On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: Ultimate Deployment Appliance - really cool VMware appliance for PXE booting and rapid unattended/kickstart installs of almost any x86 OS: http://www.ultimatedeployment.org/ :) On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 13:00, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: If you have any topics that you'd like to see demonstrated at the Install Fest (or would like to do the demonstration), please chime in.. There are some pages on there already for recommend a presenter and Brainstorm ideas for presentations. You can edit the website directly, with your ideas, since it is a wiki, or just respond on the mailing list. We will have at least one and possibly two rooms that we can use at the Linux Fest, specifically for demonstations or hands-on small group kinds of projects. Chris -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Topics of interest for the Install Fest?
If you have any topics that you'd like to see demonstrated at the Install Fest (or would like to do the demonstration), please chime in.. There are some pages on there already for recommend a presenter and Brainstorm ideas for presentations. You can edit the website directly, with your ideas, since it is a wiki, or just respond on the mailing list. We will have at least one and possibly two rooms that we can use at the Linux Fest, specifically for demonstations or hands-on small group kinds of projects. Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Topics of interest for the Install Fest?
I've got ISO's here for CentOS, Fedora Core 11, Linux Mint, Openfiler, OpenSolaris, pfSense, Ubuntu, and Untangle. Chris On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: Anyone who wants a distribution put up on the demo appliance PLEASE BRING ISOs ! I only have limited distros on hand, such as openSUSE, Fedora and CentOS. Debian and Ubuntu are supported, but you'll have to provide the ISO for me. Bring CAT5E cable as well ! I have a switch that I can provide for the demo. We have ISOs. Check! Howard White --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Dell Windows laptop quick-boots to Linux - LOL
It is a very limited, stripped down Linux with only preinstalled apps, no customization. A lot of desktop motherboards have this capability. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Russ Crawford russ.m.crawf...@gmail.com wrote: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/dell-laptop-tries-to-impress-impression-makers/ Read the paragraph about 2/3 the way down the article. The question I have is, Then why have Windows on the laptop at all? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Knee in the curve (new desktop)
I think the new Intel Core i5 systems are the sweet spot. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Jack j...@coats.org wrote: What is the latest high end desktop or low end gaming system config around that is near the knee in the curve between price and performance? My last few systems I have just looked at the 'medium' systems on Tiger Direct and gone with something similar. Not optimal, but it works. ... Jack --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: OpenWRT type technology...
I use Tomato and love it, but it doesn't have any captive portal functionality, if you're looking for that. Chris On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Wayne Fay wayne...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Don! I'm looking into DD-WRT now, it looks like it might be a bit nicer than OpenWRT I use Tomato (http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato) myself. Its quite nice. Another vote for Tomato... I have it installed on numerous WRT54G's at this point. Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Another system saved by live disk
I'm a big fan of Gparted for projects like this. You can very easily and quickly resize that second partition to be smaller, then resize the first partition to be larger. One boot and you can do it all from there. A (we need a bigger hammer) approach is the Windows Ultimate Boot CD, which is a cousin of the Ultimate Boot CD. The difference is that it boots up a live Windows environment, so you have access to traditional Windows tools and capabilities. Chris On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jim Peterson jim.sokytec...@gmail.comwrote: I use Hiren's quite a bit for the hardware testing tools. Some are outdated, but those of us 'resurrecting' older systems can still find those tools useful. On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 10:17 -0500, JMJ wrote: Dave Manginelli wrote: SystemRescueCD is your friend, Howard. SystemRescueCD gets my vote too. Gparted is available on its own CD... http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php ... but I like SystemRescueCD because you have access to other tools at the same time. Another semi-useful tool I found recently is Hiren's Boot CD: http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd Good luck! JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great turn out at phreakNIC XIII
Yep. Dec 19th is the plan for the next Install-Fest. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Howard hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Just a quick note to report we had great traffic Friday and Saturday at our InstallFest table in the phreakNIC vendor area. We did more installs and upgrades this year than we have done in the prior three years COMBINED! Much positive vibe from the participants. I tried to promote our meetings and our quarterly LinuxFests. I did remember the date correctly, December 19 --- right Chris?? :) And hey, I had fun and got Karmic Koala running on one desktop system anyway. Learned that Arch just ain't going on an AMD K2 550. All of which reinforced what is now Howard's SECOND rule of computers, If it isn't at least a 2gHz processor with at least 1gb of RAM with a 100gb hard disk, it isn't worth the electricity to run; at least not as a desktop. Howard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: google wave
Thought you all might find this interesting, if you haven't seen it already. It's a comprehensive user manual for Google Wave. From what I've heard, Google Wave is really confusing for newcomers, so perhaps this might help. www.completewaveguide.com Chris On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jack j...@coats.org wrote: I got an invitation to 'join', just curious if others did? I have a few invitations to pass out if your are interested. It is evidently no 'open to the general public' yet, kind of like gmail in its infancy. ... Jack me too me too -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Robert Pirsig - There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasona... - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38592.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: I5/I7 vs Core 2 Quad?
The i5 series is Intel's newest chip and socket so I wouldn't buy into an older socket, if I were building a system today. Additionally, the performance of i5 is better, in most cases, and future i5 chips will be even faster. Chris On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Mark J. Bailey m...@jobsoft.com wrote: Can anyone comment on the i-Series versus Core 2 Quads with regard to Linux? And, if so, what make/model motherboard(s) for the i-Series would you recommend? I am finally going to have to replace a long term, tried and true Athlon XP (Socket 462) home server box and I want to go quad core and the newly released i-Series looks appealing. I know on the gamer front that the consensus appears to be in favor of i-Series, but there is the cost-benefit to consider as well. I intend to make heavy use of virtualization, so, the added umph of the i-Series may be worth the extra cost (as I don’t intend to repeat this anytime soon). And, for that matter, the lower end i7 is not much more than an i5, so, it appears one should just opt for the i7 if going the i-Series route. Thanks for any comments. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Google Voice Invites
Interesting. I didn't know you could do that (use the web app from the iPhone to initiate the call-me, call-you rigmarole.) Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Arafat Mohamed amoha...@gmail.com wrote: Correction. It's not an app. I just bookmarked the google voice site on the iphone home screen so I can access it with one click. So it's not ideal, but if you absolutely need to show the google voice number it works. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: It does? I haven't been able to find one. Can you post the name of the app or provide a URL? Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Arafat Mohamed amoha...@gmail.com wrote: iphone has a google voice app that will show the google voice number. This also works for sms. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Will Chappell mr.chape...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious - is the Android Google Voice App the only way to get outgoing calls to show up as your Google Voice number and not your mobile, or do other phones have this functionality too? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Mark J. Bailey m...@jobsoft.com wrote: Well, I am in the same boat with Tim on Google Wave From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Farnsworth Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:32 PM To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [nlug] Re: Google Voice Invites On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Mark J. Bailey m...@jobsoft.com wrote: I have Google Voice already (just signed up) and wanted to send a GV invite to my cousin. I am WANTING to get on Google Wave so I need an invite. :-) So, though confusing, I am actually deal with both. I understand what happened now. Tim Sheets posted a Google Wave invite request to this thread... no worries, and my apologies. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
I know that older versions of VMware server would let you do that, but they removed that ability in more recent versions. You can user vmware's free converter to convert an OS off a physical drive into an image file, though. I've done this a few times to do P2V conversions. I even used it to rescue an OS from a dead laptop once. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe pmigne...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:09:01PM -0500, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Does anyone know of a way to make VMWare (or other VM software) run a Virtual Machine off a physical hard drive or partition rather than from a VM Image? In regards to the 'any other vm software'.. I think you can use kvm now with qemu.. Last I checked, qemu can read/write to/from disk partitions with the -hdX switch. I haven't used it in forever, but it might be worth your time to look deeper into it. Or just wait for someone that's a vmware guru to come along ;) -Igneous --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
To give more detail, I think what you're asking about is what VMware calls raw device mappings. You can do this under certain conditions on ESX and ESXi but you cannot do this on VMware Server. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.eduwrote: I know that older versions of VMware server would let you do that, but they removed that ability in more recent versions. You can user vmware's free converter to convert an OS off a physical drive into an image file, though. I've done this a few times to do P2V conversions. I even used it to rescue an OS from a dead laptop once. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe pmigne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:09:01PM -0500, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Does anyone know of a way to make VMWare (or other VM software) run a Virtual Machine off a physical hard drive or partition rather than from a VM Image? In regards to the 'any other vm software'.. I think you can use kvm now with qemu.. Last I checked, qemu can read/write to/from disk partitions with the -hdX switch. I haven't used it in forever, but it might be worth your time to look deeper into it. Or just wait for someone that's a vmware guru to come along ;) -Igneous --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
Why don't you just keep doing that? Is the new laptop not a Mac? Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks everyone, Yes, what I am looking at doing is buying a new computer with OS installed and then, before ever booting it, put in a blank HD and install linux. Then use VM software of some kind to boot off the original HD with that other OS. What would be ideal would be to do what I did on my Macbook for over a year, dual boot machine where I could boot MacOSX or WindowsXP and if I booted MacOSX I could then run WindowsXP in a VM off the other boot partition. It worked very well. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
So why not just install vmware server and have lots of different images for your various systems? Why would you need raw disk access? If you wanted to multi-boot, you could always install a different OS on a different drive and boot into that if you wanted that OS exclusively. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: new machine is not a laptop and is not a mac. It will probably be a fairly heavily loaded i7 machine with several(*) TB of disk space. I want to run it as a server / workstation where I can run multiple VMs to support things like DB [Oracle, MSSQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL], Web [apache IIS], App[Tomcat, Websphere, Weblogic], and other apps. The machine will have something like 12 Gb RAM and a hefty, but not insane, video subsystem. While I don't plan on using it as a workstation often, I will on occasion. Andy * several = 8+ TB of physical disk space. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: Why don't you just keep doing that? Is the new laptop not a Mac? Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks everyone, Yes, what I am looking at doing is buying a new computer with OS installed and then, before ever booting it, put in a blank HD and install linux. Then use VM software of some kind to boot off the original HD with that other OS. What would be ideal would be to do what I did on my Macbook for over a year, dual boot machine where I could boot MacOSX or WindowsXP and if I booted MacOSX I could then run WindowsXP in a VM off the other boot partition. It worked very well. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
Well if Windows comes preinstalled on one drive, you could always just leave that drive alone and install your other OS's on other drives. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: So why not just install vmware server and have lots of different images for your various systems? Why would you need raw disk access? If you wanted to multi-boot, you could always install a different OS on a different drive and boot into that if you wanted that OS exclusively. Chris Mainly because I was hoping to not have to install Window7 from scratch. Oh well... Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: VMWare Question
I did it with the beta version of Windows 7 and Ubuntu, I believe. No problems at all, just installed Windows first and Ubuntu second. Chris On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Chris McQuistion wrote: Well if Windows comes preinstalled on one drive, you could always just leave that drive alone and install your other OS's on other drives. Chris Mainly because I was hoping to not have to install Window7 from scratch. Oh well... Andy Has anyone had the pleasure of creating a dual boot Windows 7 / linux system with Grub as the boot loader?? At phreakNIC, we had multiple people create dual boots with Vista and no problems at all. Have the fine folks in Redmond continued to play nice or not? Howard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [nlug] question about which Linux OS to put on old computer
I've got a really old P4 Williamette system around here with 1.5 GHz P4 and ~384 MB PC100 SDRAM (not sure about the exact amount, it might be 512 MB.) If you're interested, let me know and I'll wipe the drive. Chris On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.comwrote: Michael, Apparently you didn't read my request thoroughly. Anyways, my child hood friend's computer, the 400mHz 256MB ram, is actually fast enough to run Farmtown on Facebook, because I am actually looking at it right now. Runs ok and it may run ok for her as well. She could be used to the jerky motions, However i am used to seeing it on my dual core 3.2gHz 16 gigs of memory. We can bust each others ass til we're blue in the face again Mike, but I would rather not. Something 600mHz and up with about 256MB ram-512MB ram should be a tad bit better than what she's running now. Someone has already contacted me about a computer they have laying around and are willing to part with it so it looks like it's gonna be ok. My child hood friend doesn't have a whole lot of money to mess with and I'm just trying to help. If she was happy with the jerky movements with this current computer, i'm sure she will be thrilled when it plays just a bit faster wouldn't you think? Peace, Chris Faulkner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=.
Re: [nlug] Processor question
The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have hardware virtualization on the chip. Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls it AMD-V. There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization and don't require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software requires it and it makes a noticeable performance difference. All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it on the Intel side. If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it. Chris On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: Pentium-D vs Core2 Pentium-D vs AMD Athlon/Phenom Opinions? Differences? I'm looking at building a cheap system to use as a workstation / server and have found a cheap Pentium-D dual core system and was wondering how it would compare to a Core2Duo or an AMD Phenom (or Phenom II). Any opinions and or links would be appreciated. I might use if for some casual gaming but nothing intense. I want to run VMs on the system which I will be using for learning and development, no serious full time services. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=.
Re: [nlug] Recommendations for econo cert providers?
I've been using RapidSSL for several years and have no complaints. Even when I've screwed up the certificate generation, they have been pretty good about helping out. Chris On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Mark J. Bailey m...@jobsoft.com wrote: In particular, GoDaddy and/or Comodo? If not these, who? I have read many mixed experiences on GoDaddy and Comodo. This is only for a Standard SSL need. I kind of like the looks of GoDaddy’s “up to 5 domain” deal for $90/yr. Comments appreciated!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=.
Re: [nlug] Wireless distribution system or other wireless mesh implementations
I've used it with DD-WRT and Tomato firmware. What are you trying to achieve? Specifically, do you need to extend a wireless network with wireless access point to access point communication or do you have the capability of running ethernet to each WAP? Chris On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Karl Haines k...@nashvilleproweb.comwrote: I'm looking into doing a wireless mesh setup. I've been looking into WDS, which is supported by the dd-wrt firmware I'm currently planning to use on these routers. So far it looks like it should do what I want, but there will be some hits to performance, as always. Has anyone here used WDS or any other wireless mesh systems? Any advice and/or opinions? Thanks in advance, Karl Haines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Wireless distribution system or other wireless mesh implementations
I personally prefer Tomato firmware over DD-WRT, though DD-WRT does let you do more tweaking. I have used WDS on both and they work about the same. Here is a link to the Tomato FAQ that talks about how to set it up. http://www.polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#how_do_i_use_wds http://www.polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#how_do_i_use_wdsWe have a campus-wide wireless network, now, but we don't use WDS any more. We simply run ethernet to every WAP and assign the same SSID and password and encryption to every AP and put them on different channels if they are close enough to detect each other. This works far more reliably than WDS. In a WDS setup, you have two points that can get messed up and you cut the bandwidth in half every time you have to hop from one WAP to another WAP. Chris On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Karl Haines k...@nashvilleproweb.comwrote: Chris, I’ll be running Ethernet to the ones that I can obviously, but I’d like to add a few where I can’t run Ethernet, like across the street, etc. I’m creating a little neighborhood hotspot here, and I’d like to be able to reach as far out as possible. We’ll be investing in some omni-directional antennas as well. Anyone who as experience with that, please speak up as well!! Thanks ;) Karl *From:* Chris McQuistion [mailto:cmcquist...@watkins.edu] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:15 PM *To:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Wireless distribution system or other wireless mesh implementations I've used it with DD-WRT and Tomato firmware. What are you trying to achieve? Specifically, do you need to extend a wireless network with wireless access point to access point communication or do you have the capability of running ethernet to each WAP? Chris On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Karl Haines k...@nashvilleproweb.com wrote: I'm looking into doing a wireless mesh setup. I've been looking into WDS, which is supported by the dd-wrt firmware I'm currently planning to use on these routers. So far it looks like it should do what I want, but there will be some hits to performance, as always. Has anyone here used WDS or any other wireless mesh systems? Any advice and/or opinions? Thanks in advance, Karl Haines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] map to tomorrow night's meeting place
According to all I've heard, we are NOT having a regular Tuesday meeting this month. We are having a Linux Fest at Watkins this Saturday from 10 to 4, but no regular meeting this month. (This has been posted to the NLUG site.) There is some conflicting information on the mailing list, concerning where we will be having our regular meeting, starting in January. Perhaps the NLUG officers will chime in and set things straight. Chris On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: http://maps.google.com/m?client=ms-rimhl=enchannel=browserie=UTF-8q=st+Edwards+school+Nashville+TNfb=1hq=st+Edwards+schoolhnear=Nashville+TNei=7M4dS-GiEoq7lAekq_GFDAlatlng=11907304781793474377site=local -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
[nlug] Volunteers for Linux Fest?
Could I ask a couple people to volunteer to come out to Watkins for the Linux Fest a little early, this Saturday, to help set up tables and such? I think the building opens at 9:30 and the event starts at 10. We probably only need a few helpers (2 or 3 is probably enough.) Thanks, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well for me. What kind of hardware are you using? Chris On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: - Gibson Prichard gibsonprich...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering, but not via the web page on a stock install. If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/ to go on smoothwall. Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=28154 -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
That should work, but it just barely meets the requirements. If you have some beefier hardware it might be worth trying, particularly if this hardware is unstable, though the instability might just need some BIOS tweaking to fix. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Gibson Prichard gibsonprich...@gmail.com wrote: I've got it on a box with a Sempron 1800 /768mb ram/ 20gb hdd with only a few modules. The nics are 1 onboard and a cheapie no-name nic. Should I run it on something beefier? Gibson Prichard On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well for me. What kind of hardware are you using? Chris On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: - Gibson Prichard gibsonprich...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering, but not via the web page on a stock install. If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a homebrew customization. Likely you will want http:// dansguardian.org/ to go on smoothwall. Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=28154 -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
You can run that command in lower case. Case doesn't really matter on Windows. They just put it in uppercase in the documentation so you know that it is a command to run. Chris On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: Howard White wrote: a command NETSH WINSOCK RESET CATALOG OMG! Why do they make it have to be in all caps like that? And if it doesn't, why was it documented wrong? Who wants to have to push the shift/caps lock key on their keyboard, like ever? I mean, why do more work when you can do less? Why? Makes no sense. People who purposely make programs and scripts and commands and stuff in all-caps drive me completely insane! Yes, Oracle DB designers.. I'm looking at you! /rant -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
Curt Lundgren and I are in the process of migrating everyone at Watkins to Google Apps. We love it. It took a whe to figure everything out but we have been doing a phased migration for the past couple weeks without any problems. I can give you more specific information and advice if you like, including instructions on doing a phased deployment that will keep you from losing any email. Chris On Thursday, December 17, 2009, Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering moving my email service to google apps and I have my own domain name. Anyone have any experience with this and making the switch without loosing email? I've done it not only for my domains but most of my customers as well. It works fine, just make sure the MX is fully propagated before switching off the old server. Michael -- Michael Darrin Chaney, Sr. mdcha...@michaelchaney.com http://www.michaelchaney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
You're exactly right. You can sign up with Google Apps and start getting stuff set up there, but don't change your MX records, yet. Mail will still flow to the old server. You can set up a domain alias at Google Apps and modify your DNS settings to point mail for that domain alias at Google Apps. For example, we set up a domain alias of pilot.watkins.edu and we created DNS records that point any incoming email that is destined for an @ pilot.watkins.edu email address to go to Google. Since this is an alias, people's actual email address is still @watkins.edu. Next, we set up forwarding on each individual account at Watkins to forward all email to that person's @pilot.watkins.edu email address (leaving an original on their watkins.edu account, just in case.) This means that when someone sends an email to example-u...@watkins.edu, that message actually goes to our existing on-premise email server. When it gets there, a copy gets forwarded to example-u...@pilot.watkins.edu, which delievers it to that users Google Mail account. That user is now using their Google Mail account to both send and receive email and everything works great. At some point (once all users are migrated over), we will change the DNS records for the main @watkins.edu domain and all email will start flowing directly to Google, not going through our email server any more. DNS records take a while to propogate, of course, but because we have it configured the way we do, if some mail goes to the old system, even after the switchover, that mail will still get forwarded to the appropriate place. A key of course, is migrating all the existing mail. I'm not sure if the free version of Google Apps includes the IMAP import tool or not. That's what we're using for most migrations. It just connects to our existing server over secure IMAP and brings over all the mail. Alternatively, there is a desktop app you can install that just uploads your mail from your system up to Google Mail. There are probably a handful of other ways to do migration as well, but those are the two most popular and the one's we're using. (We use the desktop app for Outlook users, because it also grabs their contacts and calendars and local folder emails.) Chris On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: Curt Lundgren and I are in the process of migrating everyone at Watkins to Google Apps. We love it. It took a whe to figure everything out but we have been doing a phased migration for the past couple weeks without any problems. I can give you more specific information and advice if you like, including instructions on doing a phased deployment that will keep you from losing any email. Chris Chris, The first question I have is if signing up with google apps will interfere with existing email and I think the answer is NO. Until you change the DNS / MX records nothing will go there even if you setup with google apps. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
There are several different versions, but the free version includes most of the features (except the ability to sync with LDAP and do more fancy stuff). It is limited to 25 users. We use the Education version (which is also available for non-profits) and it is completely free and includes all functionality of the Premier version. There is a Team version that is kind of a hybrid and I think it is free, but you can't use it for a whole domain. Lastly, there is the Premier version which is $50 per user/year, which isn't really very bad, when you consider what you're getting. The Premier version has a max mailbox size of 25 GB/user, compared to 7.25 GB/user for the other versions. Chris On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: You're exactly right. You can sign up with Google Apps and start getting stuff set up there, but don't change your MX records, yet. Mail will still flow to the old server. You can set up a domain alias at Google Apps and modify your DNS settings to point mail for that domain alias at Google Apps. For example, we set up a domain alias of pilot.watkins.edu and we created DNS records that point any incoming email that is destined for an @ pilot.watkins.edu email address to go to Google. Since this is an alias, people's actual email address is still @watkins.edu. Next, we set up forwarding on each individual account at Watkins to forward all email to that person's @pilot.watkins.edu email address (leaving an original on their watkins.edu account, just in case.) This means that when someone sends an email to example-u...@watkins.edu, that message actually goes to our existing on-premise email server. When it gets there, a copy gets forwarded to example-u...@pilot.watkins.edu, which delievers it to that users Google Mail account. That user is now using their Google Mail account to both send and receive email and everything works great. At some point (once all users are migrated over), we will change the DNS records for the main @watkins.edu domain and all email will start flowing directly to Google, not going through our email server any more. DNS records take a while to propogate, of course, but because we have it configured the way we do, if some mail goes to the old system, even after the switchover, that mail will still get forwarded to the appropriate place. A key of course, is migrating all the existing mail. I'm not sure if the free version of Google Apps includes the IMAP import tool or not. That's what we're using for most migrations. It just connects to our existing server over secure IMAP and brings over all the mail. Alternatively, there is a desktop app you can install that just uploads your mail from your system up to Google Mail. There are probably a handful of other ways to do migration as well, but those are the two most popular and the one's we're using. (We use the desktop app for Outlook users, because it also grabs their contacts and calendars and local folder emails.) Chris This sounds really good, but a bit overkill for me as I am the only user on my domain and while I have several email addresses, it is really fairly simple. I will probably get it setup, create the alias as you said, then test it and then throw the switch and test again over time as the dns change propogates. Also, I get my mail from my current provider via Pop3 so will not have any mail to migrate. Then I will use imap to get mail from google. Then, once everything has propogated, I will backup my web server and discontinue my account with my provider. No point in paying them if I don't have too. Out of curiosity, what does it cost if you want to pay for google apps rather than use the free system? Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Re: HTML emails.....
Manoj, you're being very rude. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.orgwrote: On Sun, Jan 03 2010, VampirePenguin wrote: I prefer to top post because I'm answering questions. People don't want to go thru 18 pages of email, oh and heaven forbid chain letter That demonstrates basic incompetence: why are you not trimming your quoted material when answering the question? Someone who can't cast their response according to nettiquette -- are their answers any good? email addresses in the HUNDREDS. They would really love me This is my email signature, and yes this is the 21st century and you know how to type should have your own GPG key and use it for everything. Your signature is rambling, incoherent, and far exceeds a polite 4 lines. manoj -- Your fault -- core dumped Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 4096R/C5779A1C E37E 5EC5 2A01 DA25 AD20 05B6 CF48 9438 C577 9A1C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
