[PEDA] PCB Design Tutorial
Hi All, I came across this file this morning, it might be useful to new comers to PCB design. http://alternatezone.com/electronics/pcbdesign.htm There is a link to the PDF file on that link. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cannot click pcb parts from DXP
Hi Dennis, Looks like the bit that selects that is in the 4th line as shown below, this is an ASCII version of the file. 1780 is the stack bit checked and 1720 is unchecked, you might be able to do a change in a text editor, but that would depend on what other bits might be set also. ENDCOMP DEFAULTS 0 0 900 1720 1 1 1 1 ENDCOMP DEFAULTS 0 0 900 1780 1 1 1 1 Not sure what the problem is with the double click looks like the component area has a problem, save to ASCII might fix that also. Just tried opening a ex-dxp file from 2004 and the pad stack enable is checked.. :( Regards, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] we are working on a board which is a substantial variant of a board which was done in DXP (not in P2004) by someone else my working file was saved back to 99SE which is what we are using i notice a few anomalies and wonder if there is any comment some, but not all, components cannot be dbl clicked to edit later we discovered that dbl clicking somewhere nearby but not particularly close to the component made the edit function work what is up with that ? another thing it seems that the pads of all components all have the 'enable padstack' enabled and of course that is not one of the properties available as a global edit in 99SE does the save back to 99SE always make 'use padstack' enabled because it is the norm in DXP? i am not sure this is a problem but it was at least a curiosity for me Dennis Saputelli -- __ _ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Error occurred while Running script with DXP
Juha, Use find similar objects to get the query started, then make changes from there. (ObjectKind = 'Pad') And (HoleDiameter '3') This is based on the FSO query. IsPad And (HoleDiameter '40') This also works. IsPad And (HoleSize '40') And that too. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Juha Kuusama [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, I'm finally taking the plunge and learning the query language. Actually, I need it in my current design, where I want to single out certain pads. However, even my simple query (IsPad) And (HoleSize 3) results to a Design Explorer Error window with Error occurred while Running script. What gives? Juha Kuusama Kuusama Design Oy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Error occurred while Running script with DXP
Jim, It seemed to me that Juha's first query should have worked. Can someone explain the difference between the two queries? IsPad And (HoleDiameter '40') (ObjectKind = 'Pad') And (HoleDiameter '3') How would I know to use ObjectKind instead of IsPad?! Both of these do work, the same I believe, it was the ' ' that was the difference between working and not. Darren Moore JM At 04:33 AM 8/24/2004, you wrote: Juha, Use find similar objects to get the query started, then make changes from there. (ObjectKind = 'Pad') And (HoleDiameter '3') This is based on the FSO query. IsPad And (HoleDiameter '40') This also works. IsPad And (HoleSize '40') And that too. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Juha Kuusama [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, I'm finally taking the plunge and learning the query language. Actually, I need it in my current design, where I want to single out certain pads. However, even my simple query (IsPad) And (HoleSize 3) results to a Design Explorer Error window with Error occurred while Running script. What gives? Juha Kuusama Kuusama Design Oy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Copy selection to layer
Hi Jim, I have a favorite little know trick that did make the transition intact. Excess length of track stubs can be trimmed simply by double clicking while Interactive Routing (Automatically Remove Loops must be enabled). The stub beyond the double click point instantly disappears. Having the electrical snap enabled also helps. nice.. BTW, I'm trying to figure out which DXP shortcut keys are not yet used. Does anyone know if it is possible to list shortcuts sorted by keystroke? This was another easy task in 99se that isn't so apparent in DXP. You can look in the GU0104 Shortcut Keys.pdf file. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] changing power symbols
Hi All, You can't make customs power connections, Customize is only for the toolbar bitmaps. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Leo Potjewijd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 2 August 2004 18:46 At 31-7-2004 13:34, Rolf Molitor wrote: You can edit the power symbols like this: Get the System Menu (down arrow) and select Customize. Right click the Power objects and select Edit. There you see all your actual power objects. You can add new power objects here or change the existing ones with right click and New or Properties. When you select Properties you will see what bitmap file this power object uses. Just edit the bitmap to change the view of the power object. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 IPC-7351.
Hi Bill, On a flyer I got from Altium about Jan, it said there were over 13,000 DXP users. Maybe they should have a warning on the pack :P Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder just how many licensed seats there are of Protel in the world is that published anywhere? Also I wonder if Pads has published the same info? I didn't participate in the poll so it's at least off by one. LOL... I would venture to say Protel may have more seats that Pads... but they are mostly not in the Southwest of the U.S. How about it Altium... how many active seats of Protel are there? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99-toP2004 Library conversion
Hi Dom, He can open 99SE lib's with DXP (2004). Darren -Original Message- From: Dom Bragge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone give me a quick tip on how to go about this? I have some decent inhouse 99SE libs but some staff (not all: inc me) have n't yet converted to P2004. One of EE's needs our 99SE libs in P2004 format. = Dom Bragge CID Snr PCB Designer Sydney, Australia ( 99SE sp6 ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?
Hi Stephen, If you are not already on the DXP list I would recommend you join, there have been lots of small important changes since DXP SP2. Darren Moore PS The DXP list is an Altium list, go to there web site to sign up. -Original Message- From: Stephen Noftall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: The resistance to change to the DXP platform, regardless of their motives, has been extremely poor compared to previous versions. One of our policies for accepting external work is that the client should supply the toolset of there choice to use and they must maintain it with the latest versions (support etc) and the resistance to change has been very noticable. Hello all; First post on the forum for me! I understand how you feel John. I have been a Protel/Orcad user since DOS3.1 days. Sometimes, I wish I was still back there ;-) There are times when waiting for the 15 Seconds DXP takes to fire up on my rig that I wish Protel had just concentrated on what I wanted. I still think the original Orcad was a better schematic entry tool than what I use now. But for my question: I have just received Protel PCB 2004. Now, everytime I ask Altium why would I want to upgrade from DXP (SP2) to PCB 2004, I get a cryptic answer (It's our latest software!). Can anyone explain the difference between the two? From all I can gather, they are exactly the same. But what real-world difference is there? Thanks! Stephen Noftall * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Vs 2004 (Was Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?)
I believe Altium develops their products on the Delphi platform, and so I guess that makes them a different breed right off the start. - Original Message - From: Stephen Noftall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Vs 2004 (Was Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?) Stephen - Altium have a list of new stuff in P2004 compared to DXP: http://www.protel.com/newin2004.htm also a list of things fixed since DXP SP2: http://www.protel.com/2004releasenotes.pdf but this does *not* include changes in P2004 SP1. You would also need to read: http://www.altium.com/downloads/2004SP1/releasenotes.htm to get the guff on those. Thanks Ian, wow, the perfect answer ;-) ... If you think the the changes in P2004 are not beneficial to you (or not so you can justify the $), at least you have some real conception of what your competitors may be using. A little story if I may. We were using Protel 98, and for a long time (2 years), resisted the pull to goto 99SE. Then we switched, and started using the built in project format. Well, it takes awhile to get accutomed to any new software as everyone knows, and it took us awhile to get into 99SE. Starting in December, the Altium rep started calling fairly regularily, wanting us to upgrade to DXP for $2500. Compared to the other packages out there, this is really cheap. So we took the plunge, and started using DXP heavily for the last 3 months. Ok, so getting back to the story. I work for a company that also produces a very large software project. We just recently released a new version. And to see the reation to DXP/2004, it seems similar to our product. New features allways come with a tradeoff. But then new features can make you alot more productive. I like how DXP (and even 99SE) is forcing me to merge the schematic parts with the PCB footprints. This was one of our major sources of problems with 98 and previous versions. Has anyone checked out the scripting features in the design rules? Stumbled on my first hard crash when I was in there, but it looks incredibly powerfull. When I was first trying to use the inspector, I had set (or it defaulted to) change all items in the library box, and then globally changed a pad size. Ok, so it took out the library and I had to fall back to my previous day's backup. But then I am never going to do that again, and I have now realized how powefull the inspector is (which is to say very powerfull). Just wished it had an execute button, still haven't grocked when exactly it does the changes if I forget to press the enter key... So overall I am happy with the switch to the new Altium package. Ok, I guess I am contridicting what I said previously ;-). But in my defense, when I have to devote a good part of you life working with a software tool, I get very opinonated about it. And sometimes I just wished they would use their software to design complex boards ;-) If I was in charge of their QA department, that would be the #1 priority. Hook up with a design house, and force the coders to design a few boards. Usually C++ gurus are not into PCB design and layout, but you will occasionally get one. But who knows? They may be doing that allready. Anyways, enough rambling on a Saturday morning. Hopefully I will be of more help on the forums in the future ;-) Cheers PS: sorry for the numerous spelling errors, my home puter doesn't have a spell checker :-( SN __ NOD32 1.795 (20040625) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?
Joe/John, Just curious, do you guys work from home doing contract PCB design? This is something I would like to do if there are such opportunities. Darren - Original Message - From: Joe Sapienza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic? John, If you are truly getting ready for retirement maybe we can address you al old man Ross??? The changeover is inevitable, personally I see where the tool can go and I'm starting to invest my time to it. Working outside a large company I can also see that if layout doesn't wind up outsourced overseas(US) those of us that stay in PCB layout/design will do well, I get the impression that Junior engineers are not the same way as some of us have been, they all sorta think they are bosses, I'm not sure how to accurately articulate my impressions of the current crop of engineers and I trust this is accurate enough to convey my impressions. Joe - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic? -Original Message- From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic? I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP but still glad I am paid by the hour. I prefer to be a dinosaur and stay at the top of the food chain than an ostritch running for its life or hiding, but will end up going the same way as the dodo but hoping Ill get to retire first instead of being retired by someone else... (gues who still get a salary...) (sorry, Friday afternoon humour needed) John __ NOD32 1.794 (20040623) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Dinosaurs or Ostrich
I agree John. If the tool works and is doing the job well for youwhy change? Upgrading is always nice as supposedly the next version should be more stable than the last (not always the case), and more features are included (which also usually means more complicated use), but one must also remember the hidden downsides: 1) newer versions of software usually use more disk space; 2) run slower (Protel seems to be taking the queue from Microsoft and churning out bloatware); 3) use more system resources; 4) often require unlearning and re-learning Darren - Original Message - From: John Dammeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: [PEDA] Dinosaurs or Ostrich Ha ha ha.. Now that's funny. Here's an opinion from a dinosaur. Probably at least 10 to 20 hours to learn the basic elements of the new system (XP) and unlearn the features of the old one. At $85/Hr that could be $1700 plus of course the upgrade price of $3000 so we're up to $4700. Now if I want to take $5 per hour from each productive hour and allocate it to upgrades as opposed to profit, then I have to work, using the new system, for 940 hours of essentially full time billable hours doing layout and design, (for 1/2 year), before I see that extra $5/hr back as profit. If I don't upgrade to XP I have an extra $4700 at the end of that 1/2 year. However, I probably only do 200 hours per year of actual layout and schematic design, the rest is consulting, and software and accounting and sales etc. So it would take me almost 5 years before I start seeing my $5/hour as profit again. Oops. In 3 years it's time for PROTEL QP (or whatever) as a $3000 (not upgrade or bug fix of course) enhancement to Protel XP. Nine years ago, I bought the top line 3HP Delta Table saw for just over $1000. I've haven't received emails from Delta suggesting that my table saw is out of date and that I should replace it every 3 years or so. And none of my friends or clients suggest I'm a dinosaur because I think a tool like a tablesaw (and Protel is just a tool) should be replaced every 3 years just because a newer model is available. And if Delta produced a saw that went out of alignment and wasn't as usable after 3 years, my next purchase probably wouldn't be Delta. So am I an dinosaur, or just someone who hasn't got a sugar daddy company buying me new tools whenever they show up because they're cool? I'll be the dinosaur thanks. John Dammeyer -Original Message- From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic? I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP but still glad I am paid by the hour. increased work has not kept me from enjoying sailing on Thursdays and Sundays, marathon canoeing on Mondays how's it going with you? PH __ NOD32 1.794 (20040623) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Spice Simulation (V I) Probes on Schematic?
Greetings. I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of integrating Schematic and PCB design. However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other popular schematic/simulation packages. For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a simulation is run. The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe on to the point of interest. Please, does anyone know of how to get around this deficiency in Protel? Thanks, Darren * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] How to open OrCAD schematics in Prote DXP?
Greetings. Does anyone know of the best way to translate OrCAD schematics to Protel? My understanding is that EDIF may be the best way to go, but I can not figure out how to open the EDIF file in Protel to be converted to a schematic. Protel opens it as a text file. Is there a way to generate the schematic from the EDIF file? Is there a better way? I also tried opening the *.dsn file that is the OrCAD file format, but Protel does not do a great job of it. the font is too small, and the borders are messed up. There seem to be a few other artifacts that I find unacceptable. Any advice would be appreciated. The reason I want to transfer OrCAD schematics to Protel, is that I want to use OrCAD for doing the simulations, and Protel for the PCB development (for me the simulation capabilities in Protel are inadequate). Thanks, Darren * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is Protel 99SE to 2004 upgrade a good idea yet?
The way to do it with the mouse is...
1/ right click on 0402 footprint, select FSO.
2/ select match by footprint, press enter.
3/ right click in list panel and check show
component children. (this may already be
selected)
4/ right click, and select, select all or
use control A.
5/ right click on a 0402 designator, on the
pcb, select FSO, change 'selected = same'
and 'string type to same' also, press enter.
6/ goto the inspector and change the height.
As Ian said, this can be made easier, if you
plan to use it often. You do need to use DXP
for a while to get the hang of queries, they
only get easier over time. That's not to say
that sometimes the 99 way will be quicker to
do.
Darren Moore
-Original Message-
From: Forum Member [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
John - Augh! No wonder I couldn't do this simple global
edit. I don't
have any queries in my favorites yet, so I would need to
build the query
then save it to my favorites. I had tried to create one using
the builder
but it didn't have IsDesignator() as any of the options.
Ian - The implementation of queries is not intuitive, and for us
non-programers it's not easy to learn. With a better
interface and/or more
consistency and logic it might be understandable for the rest
of us. Sure
its powerful, but more so than most of us ever need. It was a
rare occasion
that I came across an edit in 99se that couldn't be handled
by the simple
99se editing system.
Perhaps you know of a truly simply way to do this edit in
DXP. If not, I'd
say that the FSO need some major work, and how can you
possibly defend it
in its present state?
JM
At 05:30 PM 5/30/2004, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Jim Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:15 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Is Protel 99SE to 2004 upgrade a good
idea yet?
At 08:23 PM 5/29/2004, Ian wrote:
The 99SE global edits could be done with just the mouse, or
a couple
of characters. This means that the right hand stayed on
the mouse and
the left hand stayed on the keyboard, which is how most of
the time is
spent in the program.
Exactly how I run the vast bulk of the ones I do. The
complex ones
require complex typing but these are things you couldn't do
in P99SE or
you had to do as much typing.
If you have to type sentences into a dialogue box,
That is what the Find Similar Object dialog is designed
to stop you
having to do. I really do get tired of typing this. Every
one new to
the query language should now write out by hand 100 times -
I know what the FSO is.
Ian,
I don't have much DXP experience yet, but so far I'd be
inclined to agree with Hamid. For a number of simple 99se
edits that I've tried in DXP, I haven't been able to find a
simple DXP method.
Here is an example: Change the designator height and width
for all '0402'
footprints.
Jim
For things like this I have just used the list panel as I
found it easier
than FSO.
In my favourites I keep some things like
IsDesignator And HasFootprint('0603')
IsDesignator And HasFootprint('0805')
Then all I need do is edit selected columns and the change
is applied.
If I follow the FSO route for this type of edit I find it a
world of pain.
Using FSO, select footprint=same, check create expression as
it is a good
guide to what FSO is
actually doing, and uncheck run inspector then click apply.
You now have cleared other selections and correctly selected
all 0402's.
The FSO box has done its stuff.
If you then hit F11 for inspector, or ran it from within FSO
panel, then
you may find no option to
change text height or width here, so now to the list panel,
click the list
tab00.2800.1409
Thread-Index: AcRGj126NmRJ2EC/elected items and you are left
with a list
of 0402 only, but still no option to
change text height, hmmm, where did it go?
If the height/width attributes of the designator/comment
text were always
available at this point
for direct entry of the value to be applied you would have a
home run, but
no, too simple.
Well, the columns and or entries shown in the list panel or
inspector are
driven by background
generated scripts/queries which determine which columns are
applicable for
editing, the user has
little choice in this as far as I know.
The expression generated by the FSO for select by
footprint=0402 would be
like (ObjectKind =
'Component') And (Footprint = '0402') and that just does not
cut it as it
does not apply
specifically to designators (guess).
If in the list panel you right click on the column headers
and 'choose
columns' you will find the
display mode for all attributes set to Automatic. So if you
then select to
show text height / width
anyway then you get empty fields in that column which you
Re: [PEDA] Flipping a PCB layout - 99SE
Mira, If you mean while placing a track, press the '*' key, use the tab key to change the size. Darren Moore I saw it, Abd. The Filter menu also looks familiar. Good, good. I'm gonna like it. Well, if dreams come true, I may not go to bed tonight. I wonder... how do you, guys, move a segment of a wire from top to bottom layer and get vias displayed? Or do I have to put the vias manually? Thanks, Mira * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison
Mira, Hold down the control key and drag. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Should I ask if there is a drag wire feature? When I move the symbol it's no longer connected. Wires are just lines and editing takes a little bit longer than it should be. I have to either place another wire or place a wire and net labels to connect them. Later, Mira * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison
Hi All, This break wire feature is new to dxp, 99 had no break function at all. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Even with a net label on the wire, I still see a diode's pins shorted. Yes, I have a junction but both pins are shorted. Am I missing any thing obvious here? Yes. I wrote that the autobreak facility was in DXP. Now, if I recall correctly -- I can't check on this notebook because my 99SE installation on it is broken -- you can drop a resistor on a wire and the wire *will* be broken, but the middle wire segment is not deleted. You have to manually delete it, one extra step. In practice, you might want to move it out of the way before deleting it But I'm not sure of my memory. It has become simpler in DXP. Does not work for me in 99SE. It is really a DXP feature. 99SE If I have an existing wire and drop a resistor onto it 2 junctions are placed at each resistor pin. But no separate wire segment is created 'under' the part between the 2 pins. If an attempt is made to select the wire segment between the 2 resistor pins (under it) then the whole wire will be selected. No additional 'nodes' have been added at the junctions created at the resistor pins or under the part to isolate that wire segment. Unless I am missing some setting ? John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mech4 layer in library object becomes toplayer in gerber ??
Dean, Check to make sure Mech4 isn't checked in the menu. File Fabrication Outputs Gerber Files Layers (tab) On the right side on the dialog box, Mech Layer to Add to All Plots. Above is for DXP, 98 and 99 have the same function in the print menus. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Nukien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 09:47 Well this is odd. I have a custom part in a pcb library - and LCD actually. It's very typical, 14 connectors, outline on top overlay, nothing strange. I do have a few lines etc on the Mechanical4 layer, delineating areas on the back of the LCD that have tall components, as a rough guide in the pcb editor to indicate where NOT to put larger components under the LCD. When I export the pcb to gerber, those mech4 layer lines get shifted to toplayer ... I have other mech4 layer objects on the pcb, but they're all placed in the pcb editor, not as part of a library component. It's only those that get shifted. They show up properly in the editor as being on mech4 - there's no indication that they're strange in any other way. Needless to say this is annoying. Any ideas ? -- Dean * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
-Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? Yes.. Capabilities: Get over 500 megabits from 1 side to the other. Perfect phase clock drivers inverters. Great for isolating SPDIF/AC3/DTS audio signals, Ethernet line transformers, cheaper smaller than optocouplers, faster by a long shot, analog signal mixers and more... AES/EBU too.. Slow speed signals need only a 2 layer PCB, high speed need 4 layer. Also, 1 PCB to the next with gap sizes typically under .2 inch. (this is for super high voltage separation, in the 5-50KV and above when PCBs edges are coated.) _ Brian Guralnick Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits
Hi Mike Try 'IsDesignator and Hide' as a query, then go to the inspector and change. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: edsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Phillip Thats the way I thought it should work but the autopositioning features and text edit features dont work consitently with the inspector.ie they dont show up in the inspector. You are also correct, you havent tried it. Try this one try to globally autoposition hidden text. I havent found a way of doing it without unhidding it first. Teeing me off a little again since I have 2000 components that I might have to manaully move Ref des on. Lets see we had that capabilty in Version 98. Mike Reagan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits
-Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip.. I have been asking Altium to make this sort of edit easier. If you have just components selected you will see in the Inspector that the Name and Component Comment fields are hyperlinks. I think that when you click on one of these hyperlinks you should be able to edit those attributes on all selected components (in effect this would cause the selection to drill down across all the selected components). However, currently the system will only edit the attribute of one of the components (after drilling down). snip Agree, Ian, getting access to the children is a pain, you should have access in the inspector panel, without all the extra steps. +Children Designator Hide Font Comment etc.. I think once the top level component is selected, then the inspector should allow common children to be shown. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] End of NET CLass, now View Layers 2004
Hi Mike, Not sure why, but I didn't get the email below the Tony has replied to. -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:39 AM snip There are a few other annoyances in DXP/2004 such as ...renumbering multiple pins on a library part. Earlier versions of Protel would default the tab on the number. This one defaults to the hole size which is a pain.In version 2.8 the default was the last one you used. I really miss that because I could set up whether I was editing holes, pad size, or pin number by the way I closed the edit menu.That was really cool. Not sure what dialogs you are referring to here Mike, but just checking 2.8 and the Pad dialog defaults to hole size every time.. What I miss from the 2.8 days are all the selective edit menus, you use to edit a pad with E P, for Edit Pad, same for Edit Text, Edit Track etc.. was very easy to get the right object without the (slow me down) pick lists that you get now. You can get the menus back, by making them yourself, only with every new version of Protel you have to make them all over again :( I keep the inspector locked in my pcb panel all of the time, I wish I could delete the silly ass little board inside my pcb panel. It is occupying valuable space that I need to use for other more important information. You can size the PCB board window by dragging the size, I just did it right down to the point where it disappears, yike, now I can't get it back .. Actually I would like to customize the pcb panel and remove all of the ACCEL like (useless) information. I have never seen more useless information presented in multiple formats as it is in ACCEL/PCADDXP/2004 program is approaching PCAD with allot of useless information in the panels and other dialogs. For example I have to filter all of that and the silly graphics just to edit one co-ordinate. The text edit is really silly looking because it come up at a weird angle. My eyes are not adjusted to read 45 degree text. It is overkill Agree, they have made it very hard to see the editable objects, just slows down advanced users... dam stupid, beginners may learn a little faster, in there first few months and then be slowed down for the next 20 years, make no sense at all. One of Protel's great features was it was easy and FAST, don't take them both away. The other thing I want setup is custom layer sets which I haven't figured out yet. I had 99 set up really slick with short cut keys to all signal layer, all planes, placement layers, etc. Anyone offering help in this department? Tech support sent me link to learn programming.I m not sure that is the correct answer. I have toggle layer buttons in DXP, yet to move them across to 2004 yet, will do so soon. See the yahoo groups web site for more info, there is info how to do it for 99, I will update it in the future, it has changed a little with DXP. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ OK Ian you are partially correct, Tony was 100 percent correct when he outlined the view class method two days ago. You are partially correct when you said there was nothing that takes more step in DXP. I did not agree with you solution. Every time Altium have come out with a new version it takes a while to get to like it, most people over time once they learn the new way wouldn't go back to the old. They over all do the right thing with changes, but that's not to say there aren't a few bits that just don't work. The users in the beta program get to throw there 2 cents in and many changes are made, 2004 has many of the users requests in it, from the emails list as well. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great but lost features
Ian, The buttons work, but the shortcut keys don't, they have used the same keys twice, as in ALT O, was All Off, now selects the Other Layers listooop's Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 01:58 PM 18/03/2004, edsi said: Here are few missing features in 2004 vs 99SE PCB Tonight's missing feature is: Option Layers, non of the short cut keys for ALLON ALLOFF work anymore. They are supposed to work but probably won't until service pack 2. So you have to click and pick each one with your freaking little mouse. They all work for me. I use these buttons all the time in both PCB and PCBLib. There is *no* way I would not have commented on this before if I had this problem. These are exactly the sort of productivity things (and dialog TAB orders) that really affect daily use. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mouse insists first click is a double-click
Hi Dean, Sounds like a problem caused by the double click speed for the mouse, have a play with it, control panel, mouse etc... Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Carpenter, Dean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All - OK, this is an odd one ... Recently 99SE started insisting that I did a double-click on the mouse when starting an operation. But only for the first time. For example, if I do a Reports-Measure-distance, the first time I click, it dings and pops up with a Distance = 0mils for X and Y, as if I had clicked twice on that one spot. After that, I can measure properly to my hearts content. ESC to exit, and do it again, and the exact same thing happens. That I can live with. What gets really annoying is when placing a pad or a via. It almost always puts two down right on top of each other for the first one. When creating a pcb library part, I select PAD, then start placing pads. Pad number 0 and 1 are on top of each other, the others all place normally. It's not the mouse. I've tried several - they all exhibit the same behavior. And that behavior is a little too specific to be a hardware issue, it should be happening all over the place, and in other software. -- Dean Carpenter Principal Architect Purdue Pharma 203-588-7666 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 94TT :) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I have been through the learning curve with the beta testing, going back 2 years, for DXP and P2004, and I have still been using 99 also. With the changes now in 2004 I will now move to this new release, upgrade whatever you like to call it. As for the manuals, they are always great, but as DXP was changing at a rapid rate, the book didn't stand a chance of keeping up with the changes, changes requested by users and beta testers. I think Altium should make the new manuals available for cost price to current users, anyone that thinks the books are worth having would not care about spending $40.00 or so. It would also help if the had a index and contents pdf so that you could print out a copy of the various doc's (as required) in a book form. They would change the contents pages with each new pdf release, each pdf would also require a version number. As for the comments about what P2004 is like, everyone should have it in the next couple of weeks. Make your comments then about it. They have addressed many of the items that users have been requesting. Maybe not every one though. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phil's comments pretty much sum up our findings, feeelings and experience too (except we never did Mentor) after a few whirls around our DXP is 'still in the box' too there's just never any time to lose getting up to speed and messing around with new ways of doing the same thing Dennis Saputelli DUTTON Phil wrote: Bill, You've hit the nail on the head. I've used Protel since 1987, I've also used Mentor. I was influential in converting my current company from using Mentor to using Protel. Simply because, for our kind of work, Protel was more intuitive, faster, and the designer could focus on designing the board. My DXP is still in the box. My current workload cannot tolerate the learning curve or reduction in my efficiency to change to DXP at this time. There are some good things in DXP, but there are many features that really don't seem to help my productivity. regards, Phil Dutton CID -- __ _ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
Thanks Brian, Sounds like about what I'm after in my next box, due to get a new computer soon. Fast boot, about time.. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Placing Components on top of each other
What is needed next is a gap height, under components also, so with that and the height value, small components can be placed under high components. Then there's the problem of the gap not being the same for the whole component, hmm, full 3d model next... yike Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11:42 AM 2/03/2004, Trent Bates said: I am relatively new to Protel so this is probably an easy question for you guys. I am using Protel 99SE How do I place parts on top of one another? For example I want to place a 0805 resistor underneath a Radio module on the same side of the board. Physically there is space but in the Rules, the Component Distance Constraint will not let me. I know that Multilayer Check will allow me to place a surface mount part underneath a through hole part if it is on the other side of the board but I want it on the same side of the board. I know the answer is obvious but I can't find it. The simplest and probably most common solution to this, in P99SE at least, is to simply turn off the relevant component clearance rule. At least for on-line checking. You may care to leave it enabled for batch checking and then simply mark it off as being a known and checked violation in the DRC report. This is basically what I used to do with P99SE. DXP offers some improvement but there is still no ability to check for and allow a negative clearance (overlap). The method in DXP is to remove these two items from the general component clearance rule - the trick is to attempt to do this without affecting the ability to check for violations between other components (or with other components and the two you don't want to check against each other). But that is another topic. Bye for now, Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How to highlight the Net in different colors in 99SE
Hi Adeel, I would select one net and change it to an unused layer, with its own colour, then do the same for the other net. Although I have always found shorts using a ohm meter on a milli-ohm scale, you can narrow it down to a small area very quickly. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Adeel Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I have a populated board which has two nets shorted to each other during assembly. I want to view both of the nets with different colors in Protel 99SE PCB document, so that I can locate the potential areas where the two nets are in close proximity. Can some one tell me how to view the two nets with different colors to solve the afore-mentioned problem in Protel 99SE ? Thanks, ADEEL MALIK * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter
Hi Joe, Yes, not related to Altium, see this link for details. Says pricing starting from $600.00. looks like that is for double sided boards. http://www.konekt.com/ Regards, Darren -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, This is a separate and not the integrated replacement for Situs, right? Joe * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: Low price on 21 monitors
-Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Uh-oh, nostalgia trip coming on (muST FIGHT IT, ARrrghh, can't help it, giving in...) - Ironically, the only thing I couldn't do with that old 286 so it should, if it was like my old 286, it was the most expensive computer I every owned... he he Darren * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: Low price on 21 monitors
Hi Tony, Leaving it on is being nice, let get hot and cold, every day.. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been buying a few things from this vendor, so now I'm on the sucker list. (they are legit, I opt-in on this one. I recently purchased a NEW 160GB hard drive for my TIVO from them for $75!) Since Protel s/w is so much more usable on a big screen, I thought I'd share this current item. It's a refurbished HP 21 monitor for $80 with a 30 day warranty. (leave it on for the first 30 days!) http://www.etech4sale.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=E97D67AB39 64BB93C884906370BE0F68?product_id=2078czuid=1070409892153 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage DXP
Hi Tony/all, That is how I see it also, there is one new product, and the others have 2004 upgrades, which I expect don't have major changes. Not sure what the point of giving to some Protel DXP upgrades the NanoBoard, as from what I can see without Nexar, it will have little or no use.. Darren Moore PS If an email is longer then the row of *** at the bottom of this message, I rarely read it unless the first few lines capture my attention. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2003 09:16 Why? The way I read into it all is that DXP is the host environment and each of these other things are functional plug in modules. Protel2004 is the PCB stuff, Nexar is the system level FPGA stuff, nV is the sch/sim stuff. I don't think a training course for the current DXP will change much at all when the new stuff comes out. (Other than the omission of new functionally which obviously isn't currently implemented) The 99SE to DXP changes will probably apply straight into the new upcoming tools. Altium, is the wrong, or is it a good guess? Tony *** *** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business
In Australia, most co's pay dividends, and the market value of the stock, is based on the dividend paid. The dividend was around 8 cents a couple of years back and the stock was around $5-$6 mark (ALU has been as low as 37 cents this year), then around 18 months back they paid no div, DXP was late (very late) so not much in the way of dollars coming in when you are not shipping the product. SP3 has been in pre release now for 6 months and the router promised to be a super router is ... well... who knows... Of course one day the stock may improve but will I live that long, it has dropped about 20% in the last 2 weeks. While they were promising DXP to ship in first qtr of 02, from Nov 01 to Mar 03 the stock went from about $5 to $1 and then at that point they said DXP would now not be released on time.. Its was released in July 02, but was not ready to ship, here we are over one year later and still many outstanding issues with DXP. Bottom line, not happy as a shareholder or user. There I have sent the email that I have intended sending for months. Rant mode off again. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:53 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: What a do know is the 200,000 ALU shares I own are now half what I paid for them with only 2 cent div for the last year, the IPO was at $2.00 so they have lost several hundred million of shareholders money.. Or, you might say, they have invested it in forms that the market does not recognise. It's not lost unless those assets are liquidated. Looks to me like there are about 88 million shares outstanding. According to the annual report, the company (consolidated) has a net worth (including intangibles) of $130 million. That would be about $1.50 per share. The market is valuing Altium at about $0.50 per share, I think (?). Intangibles aside, the company has a net worth of about $7 million. Now, the $64 question is: Is the software and goodwill worth $36 million (the market) or $130 million (the financial statement)? Or what? Given some companies have paid to acquire software companies, your shares might be worth, if you hold them, substantially more than you paid for them. Or not. Now, where is that crystal ball? I know it's around here somewhere! Altium has been buying back its shares. I'd guess it is paying market for them, so it must think that they are worth more than that! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business
What a do know is the 200,000 ALU shares I own are now half what I paid for them with only 2 cent div for the last year, the IPO was at $2.00 so they have lost several hundred million of shareholders money.. Darren -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:53 PM 11/3/2003, Darren wrote: Not sure where that number comes from, but Altium sales where around 50 Mill AUD or 35 Mill USD, for 2002. That's Consolidated Entities, AU$52 million for fiscal 2002, which includes the companies owned by Altium. From the report, however, these seem to be mostly sales organizations, such as Altium Inc USA and Altium KK Japan, so that figure is probably the most appropriate one. Each of these other companies is 100% owned by Altium Ltd. The consolidated ordinary activities revenue figure for fiscal 2003 was AU$47 million. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business
Not sure where that number comes from, but Altium sales where around 50 Mill AUD or 35 Mill USD, for 2002. Darren -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] interesting what is that in US$ ? at the 12 mil level double is a lot! good article, eh? ds * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How to draw a line in schmetic with 45-degree?
Zhang, Press Shift Space to toggle through the wire placement modes. Darren -Original Message- From: Mr. Zhang Yangtian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2003 12:15 In my protelDXP schematic design work, I want to draw a bus object with some 45-degree corner. But the default mode of placing bus is 90-degree. How can I draw a 45-degree corner? Thank you for your reply. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] shift del
Hi Dennis, I don't have confirm to delete enabled, so if I do by mistake delete a file I use undo, or may have to go to the recycle bin, I leave files there for the last month or more. Sometimes handy to get an old copy of a file. Can't remember the last time I have used it though.. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in the 'you learn something everyday' category ... i just tried SHIFT-DEL on a file in a DDB and lo and behold it did not put the file in the recycle bin just like windows explorer the confirm dialog (like windows) affirms the difference straw poll: how many of us ever REALLY use the recycle bin (win or protel)? i, for one, VERY rarely when i delete something i intend to delete it -- Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2 SESSIONS
Should be able to remove the open command from Explorer file options for DDB file types, that may stop it from opening 99. Darren On 09:08 AM 1/09/2003, Dennis Saputelli said: i know it is relatively easy for a program to check for another instance of itself and either allow or disallow another copy to run some programs make it an option i was wondering if it was feasible for a general utility to do such a thing for specified programs as i remember the technique was to walk the list of title bar titles but that was back in Win3 days * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: DB9 RS-232 serial port on peripherals.
Hi Dennis, BNC 'Baby N connector' is what I was told many years ago... Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] yes the B is technically (or should i say pedantically) wrong in all cases except the DB25 i used to know the correct ones but fortunately i have forgotten them i think 9 is DE9 15 is A as in DA15 now for the real quiz what is the true derivation of the term 'BNC' ? i have heard many differing and 'authoritative' answers Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] BOM sorter - version 7
Dennis, See if you can run it from the tools menu... Tools Macro Macros.. and select the 'Bom sorter.xls'!BOM_sort from the list, it should be there. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but now it won't run at all! neither older one (which was working) or newer one if i click the BOM button it puts up an error message: The macro Bom sorter.xls'!BOM_sort' cannot be found notice only one double quote in the error msg any ideas ? Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] BOM sorter
Hi David, Well I got close, I think, the bom generated from Protel must not have the 'group' option _not_ clicked. 'Sort without formatting' would run without errors, but it only added a QTY column with the value of '1' in it for all the rows, ie no grouping. 'Sort Bom' although going further then before would still stop with the error 'Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range' at line 106 .. 'ReDim Preserve types_array(UBound(types_array) - 1)' UBound(types_array) with a value of 0 A step by step run through the process readme file would help. Regards, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, If you've ever pulled your hair out because you can't get a sensible BOM into Excel, for the purpose of ordering parts and assembling PCBs, then I may have the answer. I've written a single click BOM sorter in Excel 2000 VBA, to sort the 'CSV' or 'Client spreadsheet' BOMs into a sensible format, with all similar components on the same row. I'll attempt to attach it here, but it will probably be blocked. However, if you are interested, just send me an e-mail at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See attached file: BOM sorter.xls) The code is unlocked, so you can play with it. Please note: it doesn't run under Excel97. Regards David Watling * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] FW: OT: audio WAS parallel 3
Hi Ivan, I'm not sure how well two or more channels would track using the SSM2166. I could never get the SSM2166 to work good enough because it had oscillations I couldn't stop. Oh yeah, that was with the genuine Analog Devices evalution board, not any crummy layout I might have tried. So I gave up on it. How long was the cable to the microphone, being a unbalanced input it will have to be shortish. I have changed the front end cct to a differential style arrangement to use it with balanced inputs and it works fine. AD were having some problems with this chip a couple of years back, out of a run of 2000 odd only about 20-30 passed the testing process... BTW, guess which of the 3 installers was the first to get fired? A hint: he posts messages to the Protel EDA lists... The other guys are properly still there too. :) Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Client Basic
Graham, Try the Templates.ddb in the system directory. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All Protel 99SE / SP6 I need to begin using the Protel Client Basic language and have gone through the extensive help files on macros. In the help file 'Example Macros' they say there is a \Client99\Macro examples directory, but this does not exist in my install, nor on the installation CD. In fact there are no .BAS files at all and also no DDB that sounds like it might harbor them. It would be really helpful to have some examples other than the three in the help files. Does anyone know where learning materials / examples can be found? Another facility I would like to use is the library import/export to spreadsheet, but the only option available is to PCAD2000 ASCII. Thanks for any help. Graham Brown, Sutter Instrument Co * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cad worthy Plasma screen.
You can never have enough, just stop at what you can afford... I have two x 21 1600 x 1200 @ 85Hz, the IBM monitor has more pixels than my two together... now that IBM would cool :) Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Julian Higginson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] BTW, I'm interested to know what resolution everyone else thinks is necessary for working on PCBs in Protel. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] More P99SE on Ebay
Sale pulled by the seller, gone, stopped, no more ??? Darren -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just when you thought there was no more fun to be had on ebay bidding on Protel 99 SE, wouldn't you know it that someone else just had to put up another Protel 99 SE package for yet another auction, this one originating from South of the Border. The first bid came in this morning at US $0.58 (fifty eight cents), and it is now up to US $6.05. Come on now, do I hear $2,025; $2,025; come on now, $2,025; jack that price up; jack that price up; jack it up; jack it up; come on now, $2,025. Actually, isn't it about where it belongs right now (plus or minus another US $0.58)? For those interested un watching unidentified individuals jack up the price again, the link for the latest Protel 99 SE Auction on ebay is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=182item=20878089 02r d=1 While the write up says that it is not used anymore, it is actually more interesting to note what it does not say, which is whether or not it is legitimately licensed and transferrable. There are alot of people out there who are upgrading to DXP and hence have a lot of copies of Protel 99 SE that are not used any more, but I don't think that it would be too legitimate to sell any of those types of copies. One wonders if this might not be the case here. I am sure someone will email the seller and ask. JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Schematic component parts swapping around...
Julian, The parts will (can) swap when you re-annotate the schematic the best you can do is get them the way you want them and only re-annotate '?' parts after that. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Julian Higginson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hey all, An interesting problem - P99se SP6, Win2000: I've made myself a custom LM393 schematic component. This is a dual open collector comparator, consisting of two parts, 1 and 2. On occasion, Protel seems to be swapping component parts around on me. Part 1 becomes a part 2, etc This has happened twice now. It happened a few minutes ago, when I had just placed the components in the schematic, no wiring or anything, and went to do an annotation. It also happened once a few days ago when it swapped parts around that were already numbered and in circuit. I'm not sure exactly when it did that, I just noticed they were swapped a few days ago when going throught the schematic sheet looking for something else. Its a new schematic file, but with part of the design cut and pasted from another design. Most of the components I'm using are from the existing design too. I have only 3 other multi part components in this design, and they don't appear to be swapping about. I did not make these two, I exported them from an existing schematic.. I'm pretty sure that there is nothing weird about the schematic component I made, but then, why is it the one being stuffed around like this? Has anyone had this happen to them before? if so, how do I fix the problem and stop it from hapenning again? Please help, I don't like the idea of component parts swapping around randomly on me!!! thanks, Julian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] position dialog
Dennis, Is that: Tools Interactive Placement Position Component Text It's been there all along, mind you I don't remember seeing it before either. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slightly cool looking i couldn't recreate the keys or find it on a menu but the process may be invoked by: PCB:AutopositionComponentTexts when called without parameters it appears to operate on selected objects i know this capability is in the drop lists of the edit comp dialogs, but i never saw this window before wiring it to hot key looks faster and friendlier than the other method have i missed it somewhere? wonder what else is in there under the hood? Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Silkscreen over pads
Rich, Premier EDA had some Training examples, one of the 3 examples was 'select strings over pads' this is very handy as a last check. This is a link to there site. http://www.eda.co.uk/ They don't seem to have the software on there site anymore but you could email them to see if they could send you a copy. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Rich Thompson [mailto:rich.thompson;blueyonder.co.uk] Hi I sometimes miss silkscreen printed over component pads, is there a rule to look for this in 99SEsp6? Thanks Rich * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Silkscreen over pads
Hi Dennis, The training was for making servers, they gave out the source code at the time. I'm not sure what the copyright situation is. I have pasted a copy of the readme file below that explains what the 3 functions do. It was for P98 but works fine in P99SE. Darren Moore Here is a copy of the readme file: == *Advanced Training Workshop Demonstration Server 28/29th July, 1998 * == For more information contact either: Premier EDA Solutions web: http:\\www.eda.co.uk email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 (0)1992 637-116 Aspiring Technology web: http:\\www.aspiring-technology.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 61 (0)2 9632-3258 == Introduction: The commands implemented by this demonstration server were written during an Advanced PCB Advanced Training Workshop run by Premier EDA Solutions. Although simple they show how writing a custom server can reduce design time, by automating repetitive manual tasks. Centre Component Designators This command centres all component designators within a component boundary. Useful for preparing an assembly drawing. Select Strings Overlapping Pads --- This command selects all strings that overlap a pad in any way. Silkscreen text on pads can affect the soldering process and it is good design practice to ensure that no silkscreen ink covers any pad. Use this command to show you which strings need to be moved. ToggleComponentSelections - This command selects any components that were currently not selected and de-selects any components that were currently selected. == -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:dsicon;integratedcontrolsinc.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 09:42 i would be most interested to see how they did this with the native tools or was it a custom server ? Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Fan out Vias
Shuping, In DXP there is a rule scope 'InRegion' this can be used to set different rules to an area, like under a BGA. You use a Query with any rules to set the region for the rule to work in, or Not in. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Shuping Lew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It will not work if just simply setting up bigger routing grids. It may works if a clearance is set to match the grid. But it will be too large for the fan out traces. I set up the clearance by via spec. (21 mil clearance between vias so a 7/7mil trace can go through). I gave the router a try. Some vias are still very close together. I received a phone call from Protel yesterday. There is no rule to meet such requirement for neither 99SE nor DXP. However, I was asked to send them the file for research. Hope a way will be found to work around... I am just wondering how other Protel users do the fan out vias. How many people actually use the auto router for fan out option? Are most of the jobs manually done by the designer(s)? Thank you for all the replied! Shuping * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel99se and win2k fun
Julian, Buy what you can afford, below is the setup I have been running since early this year, no real problems to speak of. This setup is not a lot of money as your time will cost many times the cost of the hardware over one year. I try to get two years out of a machine before it becomes my 2nd (backup) computer and the others ripple down through the company (home). For the most part the computer gets switched on in the morning (8am) and off each night about (23:30) and never crashes. It sounds like the computer you are using has some kind of hardware (driver, graphics card) fault. I have hit the swap file on very odd occasions but I run many app's at once all the time (currently 13 items on the start bar) and its normally graphics programs that push it over the edge. This machine also runs DXP ok. Windows 2000 Pentium 4, 2GHz, 1GB DDR ram, 2 x 80G HDD (mirror), G550 Graphics 2 x 1600 x 1200, 32b colour, LARGE FONTS. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Julian Higginson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] snip... My guess is I need a good FSB speed more than I need the fastest processor. I'll need at least 512Mb of RAM. I'll need 7200rpm drive speed, for faster sustained disk transfers, and I'll need an OK graphics card, but no need for some super monster 3D engine What sort of success has everyone on the list had with their computer setups? ie specs vs board size? and are there any manufacturers other than ATI to avoid? What features will help with screen redraw speed? what features will help with DRC time? (about 15 minutes per DRC at the moment) How much RAM do I need to throw at the thing to stop it going to swapfiles? thanks, Julian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Teardrop Selected Vias (99SE)
Terry, Select All Vias _and_ Selected Objects only. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Greets all, I'm having a prob at the moment. I can't seem to add teardrops to certain SELECTED vias only. I've tried Teardrops - Selected Objects Only - Doesn't do anything at all I've tried the above WITH 'All Vias' checked and this just goes ahead and does all of 'em regardless of selection. Any ideas? It is actually possible? Thanks in advance TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Database maxed !
Alfonso, It may not be all that bad, they store the documents PCB etc, as binary blocks within the ddb file, just for storage. If you would like to have a look the password is: Manteghulteir All the searching etc would be done in ram using there own system not using the jet engine. DXP has dropped the database system and just stores the files on disk as any normal file, one file per document. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Alfonso Baz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sorry about this late reply Thanks Brad I am a programmer and I wasn't aware that protel was using ODBC to access access db's and quite frankly I'm shocked... It appears to be an access 97 db (I don't know what they're using now in DXP) and considering the performance penalties that software has to pay for using ODBC (as it is a set of generic functions that can be used to access odbc compliant databases) I am at a loss as to why they' ve taken this route. Access 97 used what was known as DAO (data access objects which is the Jet engine) and it contained functions (DAO350.dll) specific to this type of data base, it contained a heap of dao specific functions which made searching, traversing and manipulating records and db's a breeze. MS now uses what's known as ADO(activeX data objects or OLE db) which is an expansion of the ODBC ideology with the addition of OLE. In the DAO development kit it advises against using ODBC as it's access speed to the db as half that of DAO. I tried running complicated SQL statements using DAO, ODBC and ADO against a DAO database and DAO beat them all by a difference of Minutes!! Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked... after all these are ppl who are using Delphi, and one only has to look at how they search for library components in their databases in 99SE. If they had any idea about databases they would connect to there dbb's and run an sql statement against the db and produce a list of matches in 1/10th the time it takes that search function of theirs. I hope I haven't upset to many people with my rhetoric 8-) Alfonso Baz * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] about Protel SDK
Jun, Altium have said that they will have a SDK for DXP but it is not available yet. DXP is written with Delphi 6, I believe so the old SDK may not work with DXP. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Jun Gong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Does anybody knows where to download Protel SDK for Protel 99SE? And will Protel continue to support SDK tool for the Protel DXP ? Thanks. Jun Gong * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Selective tenting on one side only
JaMi, You could tent the via and place 360 degree arc on the bottom solder mask over the via's that you don't want covered. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi All, Can I selectively tent only one side of a via, without having to tent the entire via and then manually go in there and put a little round pad on the solder mask layer on only one side of the hole, to prevent mask on that side. (My first mistake may be in assuming that a pad on the soldermask layer will actually prevent mask from being applied there.) JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Selective tenting on one side only (multilayer)
I have done this for years, no DRC problem at all with small pads on the top layer and large on the bottom, this is a great way to get some real estate back for tracks etc... Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 07:50 PM 19/09/2002 +0100, Rich Thompson said: On 09:36 AM 19/09/2002 +0200, Ian Wilson said on PEDA: snip The P99SE DRC system does not consider multi-layer entities as also existing on the various copper layers. This is why Kulajew's rule does not work. I have raised this with Altium on a number of occasions. It is a structural issue I gather. It is not a bug but a limitation of the underlying architecture. To us users, though, it is annoying. very annoying, and its STILL the same on DXP! What gives Atium? We do mostly single/PTH boards, and very rarely mulilayer. My library has overy large bottom layer pads (for single sided boards) and very small top layer pads (to encourage solder to flow up pth wall and stop shorts etc on top) this means however that when I route on top layer it loooks as though im going to short (because I see the biggest pad, bottom) and not the extra space around the top pad) Arrrgh! I just tested this in DXP - it seems to work OK at least DRC allowed me to bring the top tracks close to the top pad size while bottom layer tracks were controlled by the size of the bottom layer pad size. In fact I thought this worked OK in P99SE as well. The clearance DRC, I thought, is smart enough to use the different pad sizes according the tracks layer. I must be missing something here. Can you explain more? Can you email me (directly not to the list - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) a small sample file showing the issue? My problem with multilayer entities is really restricted to the calculated layers like paste and mask layers. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug?
Rob, I think the problem is that you should use place line, this doesn't have the same issue as you are using place interactive routing which of course could not work on a layer that is not copper as Shane says below. Darren -Original Message- From: Shane Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:14 Hey Rob, I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box in the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to the first cu layer... top! Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so don't expect a fix! Ed * Tracking #: 794628F9238B7F43B1AF7D8D856DAED5F8A6365D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Protel Autotrax is available for download on the Protel site as freeware. See at the bottom of the page... http://www.protel.com/resources/downloads/index.html It does support netlist also. I have it running on a HP Jornada 720 handheld pc using an dos emulator called pocketDOS. I haven't been able to run it to run full screen, only 320 x 200 and 4 colours I have uploaded a screen shot to the files area. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ Who needs DXP when I have this :) Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Elson snip I don't think a revival of the original Autotrax product would be of much value to the average designer today. Also, I think it is available as freeware from a number of net archives. Jon * Tracking #: 8F33B327FA04AA45AC9AC863D1E8CC498E6B9971 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash
Hi Terry, No crash here with two mech and multilayer on, it just toggles through the 3 layers enabled? Darren -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:22 I just discovered this. I had all copper layers turned off, and only 2 Mechanical Layers and the Multilayer turned on. Then I hit 'Asterisk' not thinking that all my copper layers were off.. Protel just froze and I had to Ctrl+Alt+Del End Task to 'fix' it... TC * Tracking #: FB26B5062B088F49805E1B7C4E4E94D11B1F5014 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Joe, Looking in the AUTOTRAX manuals, dates of around late 1998 are used, for copyrights etc. This is for ver 1.0 I think. But 1986 is when I was using Protel PCB which I believe first shipped in 1985. Autotrax had at least 4 mid layers, I have no documentation on the Protel PCB product. There was a separate program for plotting 'TRAXPLOT'. and the pcb program was named 'TRAXEDIT'. Here is part of the spec list for Autotrax: max board 32 x 32 layers 6 signal, plus power and ground planes 2 component overlays 2 solder masks 2 paste masks 1 keepout grid 1mil to 1000mil track width 1 to 255mil pad/via 1 to 1000mil max nets 1000 pads 48 types cheers, Darren -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:01 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Phil, In 1986 that was just called 'Protel PCB' that was the first version I used then. And I never used tape again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Darren * Tracking #: 387FE060CCBF9847B861491FEC8D126F0153C83F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash (do I get my money back?)
My setup is: Protel 99SE SP6 Windows 2000 SP2 Pentium 4, 2GHz, 1GB DDR ram, 2 x 80G HDD (mirror), G550 Graphics 2 x 1600 x 1200, 32b/24b colour, LARGE FONTS. At the same time I have open Outlook 2002, DXP, a few IE 6.0.26, windows explorer, a few mails and Corel Draw ver 10. Mech layers 1 and 2 plus multilayer enabled, display set to All final. And of course I have my clock set back at 1992 :) (Joke Joke Joke 'don't hit me') Darren Terry, Darren, Tony, OK, lets' look at some stats here. Darren, you say you did not crash or lock up, what OS are you running on what type of system. * Tracking #: 7B7EF3EADB73F642862C4EE8053B5DE1DC0BCB0A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash
Hi Ian, I haven't changed the shortcut, this is what the short properties are: Process PCB:SetCurrentLayer ParaLayerName = NextSignal It will toggle through the electrical layers when there are some, else toggle through the enabled layers when no electrical layers are enabled. Ever since I installed SP8 it my 99 runs perfectly :) (I can't help myself) Cheers, Darren Hi Terry, No crash here with two mech and multilayer on, it just toggles through the 3 layers enabled? Darren Are you using '*' ot '+' key to toggle through the layers. Have you remapped '*' to toggle through all the layers or is it still the default toggle through copper layers? Crashes for me. Added to the bug list. * Tracking #: BB4D4BE7830CFF419B717B80651BD64841DEE396 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS
Hi Brian, You should try getting some say 100pf 0603 cap's as close to the load as possible, maybe change the 100nf for smaller values also. The main pulse you are triggering on has a period of about 4nsec's (250Mhz). Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] DAMN ISP HEADACHES!!! Re-send... This is one of the decoupling caps between VCCINT 1.8v GND. As you can see, the 1.8v dips down to 1.625. This creates havoc with the processing inside the Altera EP20K200E which has clocks running at 133MHz, 125MHz, 95MHz, 24MHz. 16KB ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/NoiseVcc18-2ns.png 14KB ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/NoiseVcc18-4ns.png Here is my current decoupling caps for the 1.8v. 4 x 0.1uf smd 0805 ceramic. 3 x 470uf electrolytic. See the problem? I originally had 32 x 0.1uf, but some rush work with cut paste at one time about 2 month ago left me with this to work with. I need a temp fix where I only have 4 sets of access points around the APEX part with nice Vias to 1.8v. I can't get my hand on the Wima caps, any other solutions, or, recommendations? * Tracking #: 023289529EC67745B8F3F6318B0C46FFC7B20D5D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS
Note new firmware version 3.22 includes the ADVTRG and the FFT modules. I could only afford the TDS3052 :( Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] (Nice scope shots...I have a TDS3054 too...great little scope!) * Tracking #: 519FEDD096F3C040B29A4CA64A33EEDFC3A49F85 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Prottle loads ATS takes aim at foot... Lay OFF the Coffee!
If you have installed DXP then most of these PDF files are already on your hard drive in the help directory. Editing Multiple objects.pdf is the only one I didn't have already. If you are new to dxp then most of then are worth a read. Darren Moore There's a bunch of DXP tutorials, etc., at http://www.protel.com/resources/tutorials/index.html, with no ATS required; maybe there's others you were referring to? * Tracking #: 7C5368B08DF0F74D8B653A50D61FEC0F357C71F4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP comment, but slightly off topic
-Original Message- From: Chris Mogford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] p.s. I'm anxious about the comments about DXP being slower, oh my god! I believe that for a program to be more solid you have to do more checks, I have found over the years Protel products have been very fast compared to other vector products of the same vintage. Everyone has been asking for a more solid check all data so that say 'a mouse driver' can't cause problems. So _if_ they are building what we what, then we will have to take some speed hit. I have no inside knowledge on this one, but you do have to be careful what you ask for as you may get it :) Darren Moore * Tracking #: B9CE177228103F4BBBD5A90FCAD734CAEB2550A1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers
There is maybe one other trick that may save time. You could cut and paste the polygons into a separate file and than paste them back in when you are finished making any other changes, assuming there will be no changes required to the polygons, then choose no to the repour question. Not sure how much faster your computer would be without the polygon. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Something I forgot to mention: If the parts are surface mount then the internal plane has no hog-outs at all for the pads. Thats why you might be interested in using the soldermask layer instead. Dave Lewis We looked at it today Dave the mask layer would work except we still need to tie the copper to gnd. I think the best solution offered might be using a few different pours. Divide the board into 4 quadrants then pour with overlaps. I just found out the cost of one these boards to mfg is around 10 K each.I hate to send these out relying on the fab house performing tricks on them that I cant verify. Thanks to all for responding Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD * Tracking #: A3379E1E1FDC9E48B6D9A051F3361677ADF901AE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: HTML
Hi Edi, The email I received is plan text, I'm using Outlook 2002. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Edi Im Hof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2002 23:02 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] OT: HTML Hi all I'm tweaking my Eudora. Does this mail contains HTML? How does it look with an no-html-client? Thanks Edi Im Hof * Tracking #: D369430BF5350148A0DCBEA42EB7AE3DD3D7E122 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Customizing protel (Toggle Layer Toolbar)
The file for the toolbar is at the following link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ Sorry, I wasn't clear about where I uploaded the file to. The zip file includes an readme file with details on how to install it. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Darren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Tony all, I have uploaded some files to add a Toolbar to toggle on and off the following layers: TopOverlay TopSignal BotSignal BotOverlay Mech 1 Mech 2 Mech 3 Mech 4 It includes icon's for the buttons also. Darren Moore * Tracking #: 5A6C570C03872F4A8254F6127CB58560A106F4A7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Customizing protel
Tony, Look under the macros tab, for a macro called pdblayer.bas this is in my templates file but you may have to search you HDD for it... That should get you going. Regards, Darren -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I finally decided I want an icon on my screen to enable/disable the top overlay. I don't care where it ends up, one of the floating toolbars or the main toolbar. I'm looking at the process list and can't seem to find one to do the trick. I also looked in the help and on the site. No luck yet. Does anyone know how to do this or if it's possible? Tony * Tracking #: 1A938FB35C17964A920633351EA621F94FF56F17 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Customizing protel
Tony, Here is a macro to do what you want, just assign it to a button. Darren '--- --- ' ' Macro Language : Client Basic ' Name: ToggleTopOverlay.bas ' Function: Each call will toggle the Topoverlay layer on/off ' Darren Moore 27 July 2002 '--- --- '--- --- Sub Main Call ResetParameters Call AddStringParameter (TopOverlay, Toggle ) Call RunProcess (Pcb:DocumentPreferences) End Sub '--- --- -Original Message- From: Darren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 17:38 Tony, Look under the macros tab, for a macro called pdblayer.bas this is in my templates file but you may have to search you HDD for it... That should get you going. Regards, Darren -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I finally decided I want an icon on my screen to enable/disable the top overlay. I don't care where it ends up, one of the floating toolbars or the main toolbar. I'm looking at the process list and can't seem to find one to do the trick. I also looked in the help and on the site. No luck yet. Does anyone know how to do this or if it's possible? Tony ** ** * Tracking #: 1A938FB35C17964A920633351EA621F94FF56F17 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Customizing protel
Tony, Do I have to everything for U :) Add this to the end of the parameters text. |$Description=Toggle Top Overlay Right click on the new button, right properties, then right click properties one more time. Wack it in there. Darren -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 18:29 Excellent!! Thanks. Now too bad I can't get the pop-up text to say something other than: Macro:RunMacro Run a macro * Tracking #: 1A1D989571183041875EAC2C7B0D67F9EE5DCD11 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Customizing protel
Hi Tony, Its Saturday night here and I was just being a bit too quick with the response. Yes it should be the pcblayer.bas that has info on how to set the layers but I guessed the toggle bit from memory. So now the just leaves the button bmp, I was thinking I will make a button for all the common layers that I use and for the bitmap will just have a square of colour, the same colour as the layer it toggles. i.e. Yellow, Red, Blue, green, violet etc, I'm forever opening the layer dialog. Darren * Tracking #: 16BFB52BA0BC414A92C7B6BB4108244D7405B91B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Well, here it comes.....
That may be so, but it was not the way the real release had had it, it was made by me after I cut and pasted it from the pdf file. The formatting was screwed up and so was my editing. After all, english is not my first language, I speak in electronic schematics normally ;-) Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 22 July 2002 16:14 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Well, here it comes. I'm pretty sure Hugh was being ironic, as this was the same type of mistake made in the Altium press release. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 22 July 2002 4:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Well, here it comes. How about this instead: ...but there you go -Original Message- From: Hugh Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:23 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Well, here it comes. A pity about the spelling mistake, but their you go! Perhaps they spent more time on the software. ** ** * Tracking #: F670AF6F854A9D4D49CC177BA44A03607203 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Well, here it comes.....
Release to the Australian Stock Exchange earlier: SYDNEY, Australia -July 22, 2002 - Altium Limited (ASX: ALU), a leading developer of Windows-based electronic design and development software, is pleased to announce there release of Protel DXP - the latest version of its Protel board-level design system. After the completion of a productive external beta release, Protel DXP was sent to manufacture last Friday. The official product launch and marketing activity is scheduled to begin early next week. Protel DXP represents a major upgrade to the Protel product line and brings a host of generational improvements delivering innovative features and technologies. It marks the beginning of a number of significant product releases from Altium scheduled for 2002103. With this next generation of the highly-successful Protel product line, Altium continues to breakdown barriers to innovation and technological advancement by providing every engineer, designer and developer with easy access to the best possible design tools. * Tracking #: 761C6D6C47C79E40930CD6327D4F45F7BD3D9C53 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Well, here it comes.....
Here is a link to the Australian Stock Exchange where the original release come from. The cut and paste did have some problems??? http://www.aspectfinancial.com.au/asxpdf/20020722/pdf/00305689.pdf Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Darren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 22 July 2002 14:06 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] Well, here it comes. Release to the Australian Stock Exchange earlier: SYDNEY, Australia -July 22, 2002 - Altium Limited (ASX: ALU), a leading developer of Windows-based electronic design and development software, is pleased to announce there release of Protel DXP - the latest version of its Protel board-level design system. After the completion of a productive external beta release, Protel DXP was sent to manufacture last Friday. The official product launch and marketing activity is scheduled to begin early next week. Protel DXP represents a major upgrade to the Protel product line and brings a host of generational improvements delivering innovative features and technologies. It marks the beginning of a number of significant product releases from Altium scheduled for 2002103. With this next generation of the highly-successful Protel product line, Altium continues to breakdown barriers to innovation and technological advancement by providing every engineer, designer and developer with easy access to the best possible design tools. ** ** * Tracking #: 761C6D6C47C79E40930CD6327D4F45F7BD3D9C53 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] pcb 4.0 binary file format information
Andreas, As far as I know, save as ASCII supports all without any loss. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Andreas Lipowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Does there exist any information about the protel pcb 4.0 binary file format. What we want to do, is to generate a template pcb for every technology with border lines, dimensions etc. To adjust this template for an actual project, we would just have to adjust the x and y coordinates of the left upper, and right upper und right lower corner elements and corresponding track endpoints. This would be quit comfortable and quick, but we will have to find the appropriate bits and bytes in the binray file to change them to the right value. Using the ASCII imnport/export doesn't work because the Ascii format does not support all features of the binary format (mechanical layers, dimensions) Any idea, or another suggestion to get the same result ? Andreas Lipowsky * Tracking #: 2780D69F8CECB6428995EADE83D605B47F0B2B11 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Port length will not change
Charlie, I think you have the port like OrCAD on its in one of the preference settings. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Charlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2002 23:08 To: 'PEDA' Subject: [PEDA] Port length will not change I seem to have lost the ability to manually change the length of a schematic port symbol. The port auto configures it's length when the text is specified. Usually too long for my tastes. When the port is placed the second click used to place the left side of the port fixing the length. Now the second click is still required for placement but the end of the port symbol does not track the horizontal cursor movement. When I click the grey end tag and drag like I used to do, the length does not change. When I open the properties and change the length manually the length does not change. The Style, I/O Type or Alignment do not affect the length. Is there a setting somewhere to correct this?I have a few other oddities on this install. Perhaps it's time to freshen the install. What is the proceedure to re-install without replacing libraries? No special macros or setups have been generated. Charlie long port Jenkins ** ** * Tracking #: 872049A58B8CF24EBD2A975FBFC02547AFD7E4A0 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good default settings
Ivor, Sure there is one very important thing to do.. Make sure you never loose where this list is :) Darren -Original Message- From: Ivor Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 02:09 To: Protel Forum Ask (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Good default settings Hi Everyone! Our Financial Director finally sent off our order for Protel today and I can't wait to get into it. I know most of you guys have been using it for years but think back to when you first started using it... As with all software, I might expect some of the default settings for Protel 'out-of-the-box' to be a bit mad. Are there any particular preferences to check after install to give me good settings to start with? Pacing the floor till it comes, Ivor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SMD Markings
Linden, It maybe a 2SC1623 or 2SC2812 NPN device. This info is from the book: Up-To-Data Worlds Transistors IC'c It has listings with the device markings. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 15:07 To: PEDA Subject: [PEDA] SMD Markings Greetings all, Does anyone know of a web site that cross-references SMD marking codes with the real device number. I have a SOT-23 device marked L6 and I would like to know what it is. I have tried Philips data but they don't have an L6 listed - a lot of others though. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Pricing and other info on the Protel site
From the Protel home page... Protel DXP is released for external beta testing and Altium announces Protel DXP pricing Read media release See Protel DXP pricing Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: CLIENT99SE caused an invalid page fault in module unk nown at 0000:01000001.
Phil, I opened the ddb and exported the library, then opened the library in Protel 98, 98 would close (shutdown) same as P99SE. Looking at the lib file with text editor (UltraEdit) it looks like the end of the file is missing. Regards, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Phillip Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I put a (Zipped) copy of the DDB/lib that seemed to be causing my invalid page fault problem with Client99SE up on my web space. Anyone who would like to be a 2nd source, and confirm the problem? You (and Altium, if it verifies as a real problem) can find a copy of it here: http://home.capecod.net/~pstevens/Crashes_Client_Page_Fault.zip I get the problem as soon as it is added to the list of libraries in use. ---Phil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 'Member not found' when opening a spreadsheet
I was having this problem and some other odd things where happening, this on my new computer just setup in the last couple of weeks. I have since removed 99SE and the other 99se files from the winnt (win2k) directory and reinstalled 99SE. I think it has fixed all the problems. I think it was DLL related. Regards, Darren Moore PS new computer: P4 2G, 1G DDR RAM, MATROX DH G550 graphics card (very slow) the GeForce 2 on my old machine was much much faster. 2 x 80G 7200 HDD raid mirror setup with a MSI 845 Ultra main board (raid, USB2,) -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2002 22:22 To: Protel forum Subject: [PEDA] 'Member not found' when opening a spreadsheet Dear Group, I get a 'Member not found' error box displayed when I open a spreadsheet within Protel 99SE SP6. If I click the 'OK' button the spreadsheet opens without problem, and I can use it normally. Has anybody experienced this behaviour? By the way, this occurs not only with existing spreadsheets, but also with newly created spreadsheets. As an aside, if I create a new spreadsheet, the extension is .spd. Is this normal? I haven't used them much in this way, but I have a feeling that they've always been .xls files. Thanks for your time. Steve. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Outlook for DXP (:
This from the Australian stock exchange today - This revised estimate is made following the cautious economic climate seen in Q3, which is expected to continue into Q4. A revised release date for Altium's new Protel DXP product, originally announced for a Q1 release but now scheduled for July 2002, has also contributed to the modified revenue estimate. - Sorry for the bad news, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pathnames for files within DDBs
Linden, You can set the 'Default Template File' on the schematic Tools Preferences dialog box Schematic Tab. Darren -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Thanks Tom, That seems to find the file although I still have one niggling bug... When I hit the OK button in the SetTemplate dialogue box to apply the change it flags an error - File format not recognised The file works OK when I access it through the menus - any further thoughts? Thanks LINDEN DOYLE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel DXP 'no hurry'
I called and emailed Protel last week to see if I could get any info as to when the new product will be available. On the phone I was told that they *will* beta test before release and that it would be released before the end of JUNE, I assume they where referring to the June of this year :). The person I talked to had no info about the new product and had not seen it, they where not even sure if it was to be on show at PCB West. At least it is being shown, in what ever state it is in. And this is the reply to my email... There have been no release dates given for Protel DXP as yet. We do expect it before June 2002 though. The upgrade price has yet to be set, however it will most probably be around the $2195 mark (this is a guess on our part). So it looks like we are not going to see it for a while yet. Still waiting. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All
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Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All
Mark, Sorry I should have checked it first. Looking further It was part of the training Seminar Examples. I have it installed in my P98 install, but not in P99SE. I am not sure if you can install it in 99 but if you have it you could try. Darren -Original Message- From: Mark Geddes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 09:32 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All Thanks Darren, but I was trying to toggle the selection properties of the entire PCB, not just a single object. Mark... -Original Message- From: Darren Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:20 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All Mark, Edit, Select, Toggle Selection Darren -Original Message- From: Mark Geddes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 04:39 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All Hi All, I was wondering if there was a way to toggle the selection state of all objects at once, in the PCB editor. I want *everything* selected to become de-selected, and *everything* de-selected to become selected. I thought I used this once before, but I can't remember if it was a standard Protel function, or if it was an add-on someone had written. It may have even been one of Protel's programming examples, but I can't find it. (I'm aware of the individual toggle selection functions). Thanks in advance, Mark Geddes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Au-Zone Technologies Inc. Calgary, AB, Canada * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All
Mark, I just copied all the files 'training.*' to my P99 system directory. Then installed the server with the big arrow menu. Once it was installed the training menu under help was also installed. Didn't take long once I found the which files it used. Darren -Original Message- From: Mark Geddes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 10:10 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Toggle Selection State of All Thanks Darren, I knew I used that function somewhere. I'll have to check into my P98 stuff try to port it over. (When I have some spare time...) Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Flyer in Today's Mail
I also just opened a flyer (4 page thing) and the release date for the new package is early 2002 (i.e. not 1st quarter) Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Paired Mechanical layers (ex Inversion ...)
wouldn't you want pairing to be mech 1 with 16 and mech 2 with 15, etc. ? I would name say 8 layers as Top Mech 1-4 and bottom Mech 1-4 to keep the same naming style as for the current top/bottom layer pairs. This would leave 8 mech layers not paired. That way it would force some standard to which layers are used for what. Just my 0.02, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Happy with performance
Bob, What command are you using to move the text/component? If you use M C move component it is much faster than using the left click and hold or M M move move command. It is also possible to setup new hot keys for (M)ove (T)ext so that there is less database to search. You can setup separate move commands for each type of object. Track, Text, Polygon, Pad, Via etc. This also helps stop having to select from the list of items when there are multiple objects at the same place. Regards, Darren Moore Thanks for your post ( and all who suggested same), I did the re-install earlier, but failed to remove all the *.ini files ( I didn't want to lose my preferences), but today I did, and it made a huge difference. My speed is now at 3-4 seconds for 0805 and 5 seconds for SOP. This is with the on-line DRC on and design rules (ticked)! A little more manageable. I feel any lag that I have now is because my libraries have actual part outlines on a mechanical layer for assembly drawing purposes, giving them more data to deal with. When I call up a Protel demo job, moving the text is instantaneous, so I think that it is as good as it will get with this machine. Not sure what could of happened to the *.ini files to cause this, so I hope I don't go my old ways and slowly corrupt things again. p.s. I've answered some of your question below Thanks again, Bob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] My Documents
Dennis, Me again, I have shortcuts in the My Documents folder to all my area's that I have files. So it opens My Doc then I double click the shortcut to the area I need to go to. Regards, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2002 12:06 sorry to go way OT but ... when using any generic windows apps notably word and excel is there any way to get windows to stop going to My Documents by default? some registry hack to get rid of My Documents as the default dumping ground for most anything? Dennis Saputelli -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] RF footprints
Hi Randol, Brian G. and others wrote a spiral track generator for Protel. Use that. OOooo!! Where's that?! Does it lock the tracks together so that they don't get independently pulled and the group can be drug together? I've not tried to make a footprint like this, I've just drawn the thing and had to redo it if I want to move it. Hopefully there's a better way. I don't live and breathe Protel. The following link is where the latest version of the spiral track generator. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ SpiralGen20.zip (spiral track inductor generator GOLD) You may have to register with yahoo to get access. If you what the spiral track to move as one item, then you should make a new library footprint and cut the spiral from pcb and paste it into the library. Regards, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . .
Seconded, Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 19:21 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . hopefully, the final re sponse . . . For Christs sake Jami get off his back! He does not clutter up the list, he provides much needed helpful advice and support. You are the only twit cluttering up this list lately. !plonk! -- the sound of JaMi being added to my email kill filter file. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .
increase at full pop). They had given plenty of warning that the price was going up. While I will admit that 99SE is slightly better than 98, the product is still only useful as a tool to do Manual Routing, There are lots of users using the router. It could be better but it is very cheap compared the what else is available. I used it the other day on a board that I had manually routed and for the 39sec's it took to route the board it did a good job. and it is severely severely severely SEVERELY SEVERELY SEVERELY OVERPRICED for that purpose, and as attested to by other recent posts here in this list, as a Manual Router, it is not much better today in its current incarnation than the original DOS product of eons ago, I have on my system here, Version 2.8, 98 and 99SE and there is *no* comparison to the old versions. Go back and try to use the old software for an hour. I think we forget how many features have been added. The old software sucks a big one! and the schematic system is absolute garbage, trash, dung, and not even equal to the old DOS 16 bit Orcad Schematic Capture, which I would gladly use if I could only find a legitimate copy and convince my boss of its superiority. If you are not happy then this is a great list to say what features you would like. I never liked Orcad's Schematic 15 years ago when I last was using it. Yes, Needless to say, Protel Performance and Support are both really and truly non existent. As has been stated over and over and over and over again in this list, the members of this list are the ONLY form of any support for Protel in any form whatsoever. Sure, this list is the best thing since sliced bread and its free for the most part. But no amount of money could get Protels tech support to match it. We are all users with real world problems and work to do. They will *never* have that. I have however nonetheless convinced my bosses to buy me an newer system which might have a little better luck in trying to make Protel dance a little better, if not at least a little faster, and it has already arrived and I get to open the box in my new office tomorrow. It is a Dell 530 Workstation with a 2.2 GHz Pentium 4 with 512 MB of cache and 512 MB of regular memory on a 400 MHz system bus with a 40 GB hard drive. I hope it never crashes and the mouse problem is a thing of the past. With 512MB of cache you shouldn't need any ram :) I think the real reason that they bought a new system for me is that they also now have come to realize that Protel is a piece of s**t which they are stuck with that will never get fixed by Protel and/or Altium, and that support is truly non-existent, and that Protel will continue to crash on whatever system that we run it on, but that if it will at least run a little faster, than they don't have to listen to me scream and yell all day long Here here. about Protel running so slow and being such a piece of s**t, and I think that they also hope it will run fast enough that I will not kick and beat on the new computer like I do the current 1 GHz Pentium 3 that I have been using, or should I say abusing, up until Friday. Yes, another satisfied Protel Customer. Sorry to dump, but you did ask. Does this shed any insight into why I believe that there should be no covering up or playing down of legitimate problems with Protel here in the list. I'm all with you, and Abdul just likes to pay father, you don't have to believe everything he says. (oop's sorry Dad) There have been some users that feel the same way you do at the moment. But later found that there problems where hardware, virus software or some other problem and was not the fault of Protel. Lets see how you new machine behaves. Happy installing, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . . the response . . .
JaMi, (Note: A specific example of Protel's wholesale failure to provide specific support and fix a real problem is the Intellimouse software-keyboard problem which has been acknowledged as a problem in the Protel Knowledge Base ever since Protel98, and which is still not fixed, and which Protel has specifically stated (6 months ago) was not considered to be a problem and would not be fixed or even addressed until the next product release (which I doubt will happen even then). Actually, most members of this list know that the Logitech Mouseware is the solution to this problem, but they have had to learn that from this list, and not from Protel, and Protell still does not appear to know even that much about the problem. The only problem that I had with the Intellimouse was fixed about 18 months ago by updating the mouse driver with latest one from the good friends at MS. The problem was that after using the wheel all the shortcuts stopped working. What problem are you referring to. Regards, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel history (was Accel vs. protel)
I consider this a pretty unlikely version of the story. It is a major effort to go out and hire programmers and it takes time. It is much more likely that Accel saw a market opportunity and prefered to meet it with their own product than having to pay Protel their cut. But I was not privy to the negotiations. Tango and Protel Autotrax, as I recall, came out at approximately the same time, but it would be interesting to know which was actually first. Looking though my old documentation for Autotrax 1.0 I think, the copyright date is 1988. Before that I was using Protel PCB as early as the beginning of 1886. Hardware requirements are now quite funny: CGA,EGA, Hercules, VGA or Vega Deluxe. MS-DOS Version 2.0 or greater. 640K ram. The software will perform adequately on a machine with an 8088 microprocessor running at 4.77MHz, but you will notice a significant increase in speed if a higher clock speed or more advanced processor (such as an 80286 or 80386) is used. Feeling my age, Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel history (was Accel vs. protel)
Looking though my old documentation for Autotrax 1.0 I think, the copyright date is 1988. Before that I was using Protel PCB as early as the beginning of 1886. I've been using Protel for decades now but - 1886 - WOW - You are obviously the most experienced user of all ;-) Did Charles Babbage make you a special computer to use that 1886 software on? Was the software Y1.9K compliant? ;-) The computer I had then had a one pixel display, now sometimes call a torch it had the fastest zoom and pan speeds of any computer I have had since. Of course no one said that I have held my age well :) Yes 1986 is what I should have typed. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
