[PEDA] Job Hunting
Hi all, I know some of you will recognize the name and it's been a while. I am no longer at my old employer and am seeking something either in PCB design of which I have 16 years experience or now I have recently added Solidworks 3D CAD to my repertoire, which comes in handy for PCB integration into packaging. I also have years of experience in manufacturing and customer service as well as college instruction. If anyone knows of an opening I would love to hear about it. I am willing to relocate for the right opportunity. I am currently in Calgary, Alberta Canada. Please contact me off forum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my cv or resume. Kindest Regards, Lloyd Good * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE license
Hello all, I have a client that is looking for a Protel 99SE license. Does anyone have one for sale. Please email me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Lloyd Good Circuit Creations 92 Holly Street NW Calgary AB Canada T2K 2C8 ph: (403)282-6445 cell:(403)710-5077 * Tracking #: 1BA43D22D71ECD4592452DA407EE6CC24BCB6244 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] negation character redux
Mira, I think that Net_names that are meaningful and continuous are much easier to decipher and track. I hate using spaces in Net names due to the fact that inevitably one of them is going to get an extra space in the name and won't connect. These are almost impossible to spot and frustrating to fix. The under_score is safe and esthetically pleasing way to show Net_names. In large complex designs I like to know the function of the node as well as it's label. ie. DATA_RST_EN = data reset enable Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:50 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] negation character redux Abd, Net_names like this look awful on the schematic and the printouts. Not recognizable at all. Mira --- Abd ulRahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:02 AM 6/4/2002 -0700, Bruce Walter wrote: Anybody know if there would be a problem using a dash (minus sign) as a prefix? I think it works, but as another mentioned, WR will be sorted in a different place than -WR. Personally, I use an asterisk at the end, not because it is necessarily the best way, but because it worked in other CAD systems and continues to work with Protel. One could also use _not as a suffix, which would be totally explicit. And if some program has trouble with underscore, shame on the programmer! Unless you are going to use a program that has a trouble with backslash in a net name, which is understandable, using single negation to create a bar display is acceptable, but it likewise has the sort problem, or does it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New to Protel and PCB Designing
Waheed, Get out now while you still have your sanity!!! Kidding. Stay tuned to this forum, there is a wealth of knowledge and experience here, though some topics turn us into a bunch of squabbling hens. Before you get too deep into PCB design, the basic correlation between the logical (schematics) and the physical (PCB) should be very clear. What you can do in one realm is not always allowed in the other. Hope you have fun in your endeavor. If you don't enjoy it, get out while you still have hair because it'll make you pull yours out. Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Waheed Bajwa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] New to Protel and PCB Designing Hello all, I am new to PCB designing and Protel (99 SE with SP 6)... I have just started on the training manuals of protel. I am getting the grasp of it but what i have noticed during this period is that i lack the basic cycle flow involved in PCB designing so please could some one guide me in this? The cycles that are involved in PCB designing from conceptual to the realization of PCB (as a material thing)... Please use simple terminologies or try to explain them as I said that I am new to it and words even like footprints dont make sense to me right now :( Thanx, Waheed Bajwa * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Library Management Questions
Daniel, Library management is one of the most difficult things to successfully organize, in my opinion. I have experimented with several methods and company philosophies, however I am of the firm believe that you don't need to have a redundant graphic symbol for each and every physical component. One of the most important things to maintain and apply strict rules to admissions is your company part database. We rely on the Company part number for most of the intelligence on a part entered in the approved part list. When your APL is complete, your designs will be. If you can incorporate a parametric search into the APL database, you won't get designers/engineers entering in redundant parts. The reason you need to have a comprehensive part data repository is to link into the Design database. I can here all the Users in the Forum groan at the thought of this, but thanks to Ian Wilson and his Server, I can link my design file to an excel file in under 30 seconds. We are currently filling the 16 available data fields in the part attributes with the data from the repository. We include things like Min/Max temps, Power consumption, MTBF numbers and FOOTPRINTS. This alone saves countless errors and look-up time. Now I must admit, it does rely on the designer to enter the correct company part number, but we have to trust them (including myself) to do something right. Now the question of multi-sequenced footprint pinouts, I have found that this has no one definitive solution. What I have done for years and promote is using the letters of the graphic symbol ie Transistors -E=emitter,B=base, and C=collector; FETs G, S, D; Diodes A K. I assume this is what you mean by item 6 in your questions. Being that these pin identities never change in schematic, your schematic will always be correct regardless of package. I always leave my PCB footprints assigned with numeric pad designations, so when the PCB netlist loads the footprint assigned it will report that although the component is found, the pad nodes are missing. This forces me or whomever to look up on the datasheet (which is linked in the APL database) to manually change the numeric pad designators to the correct alpha characters. While some may say this too time consuming and mundane, since adopting this procedure, I have never had a package pinout error in that time. As far as schematic and PCB footprint libraries go, if you don't standardize entries at the very least, prepare for a nightmare. I believe that a single library manager is always the best way to maintain consistency. And no, I am not looking forward to DXP. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:29 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Cc: Tony Pearson Subject: Re: [PEDA] Library Management Questions Thanks for your time and help in this matter. Daniel Webster PCB Designer Northern Airborne Technology Phone: 250-763-2329 ext. 225 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PADS translation error
Mr. Lomax, Thanks for the good idea. I opened the ASCII file and went to the error lines, but still don't really know what the translator expects to see. The format is not at all similar to Protel ASCII, but then I didn't expect it to be either. I did learn the the version of PADS that created this is V3.5, I suspect that the translator expects PowerPCB 2000 format. Has anyone had good results translating files from PADS 2000? Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 4:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PADS translation error At 03:26 PM 4/22/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just tried to import a PADS ascii pcb and while some layers and fills showed up, only two components came across. I received the following errors in a report file -Load Errors : 1612 -Expected number in line: 4518 at position 0 and found this: C10 -Expected number in line: 4519 at position 0 and found this: **CRLF** -Expected number in line: 4519 at position 0 and found this: **CRLF** -Expected integer in line: 4519 at position 32 My suggestion: look at line 4519 of the ASCII translation. (I'd consider using a text editor with line numbers or Excel to read the file The ASCII format for CAD files is frequently more or less human-readable. (Protel's is even better, being very well documented within the file.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PADS translation error
Hi all, I just tried to import a PADS ascii pcb and while some layers and fills showed up, only two components came across. I received the following errors in a report file. -Protel Design System: PADS PowerPCB To Protel 99 SE Translator Report -PCB ASCII File : rwc016 -Date : 22-Apr-2002 -Time : 11:46:11 -Load Errors : 1612 -Expected number in line: 4518 at position 0 and found this: C10 -Expected number in line: 4519 at position 0 and found this: **CRLF** -Expected number in line: 4519 at position 0 and found this: **CRLF** -Expected integer in line: 4519 at position 32 Anyone seen this before and have any answers how to fix it. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] bug in protel bom generation?
Tim and Brad, The BOM generator in Protel only considers two fields when sorting, the Part Type and the footprint. This has been a source of pain for me in the past, as unless you indicate on the schematic in the part type there is a difference (ie. 10K 1% vs 10K 5%) these parts will be grouped together as one, whichever the sorter finds first. If you ask Ian Wilson he has a Consolidated Partlist Server which I commissioned last year, that works incredibly well I might add. This server is configurable and may well serve your purpose. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:56 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] bug in protel bom generation? Tim, the first source by which schematic symbols are consolidated is the PartType field. I couldn't find any Protel documentation which defines the criteria for consolidation in a BOM but I know it starts with the PartType field. Don't you think that Protel could give the schematic BOM generation a bit more then a brief paragraph description in either the online help or the manual? Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21. -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:34 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] bug in protel bom generation? When we generate a BOM in Protel format in P99SE SP6 some parts get consolidated even though their libref and several attributes are different. Does anybody know why this might be happening? Tim Fifield * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PCB file translation
Hello all, I just received a pcb file from a subsiduary in Spain. They want us to manufacture the product for them. Only one little problem, their files are made with VISULA from ZUKEN-REDAC. Anyone know anything about this S/W and whether there is a possibility of translating it to Protel? Or the alternative is to have it converted directly into Unidoc, which we can't do either. Any thoughts? GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:28 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] BAS FILES How do I run 3rd party .bas files? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 www.telecast-fiber.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.
Hi Brad, I have never seen this problem before, however is it possible that the part was created using metric units? Perhaps, and this is a stretch, that this may have arisen from a glitch in the calculation when using imperial ( I'm assuming you work in imperial units) units on the pcb and in copying and rotating the component? I may just be grasping at air here, but I'd be curious to know if the metric/imperial conversion played any part. Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shifted. Checked the library and the part is correct. Better then all of this so far, the test board involved actually had this section of circuitry copied from the main board after the main board was completed, the main board does not have the problem. Here is the events that led to this problem. I designed the main (full) pcb, everything is correct. I selected a subsection of the circuit and copied it to make a small test board. When I pasted this subsection into the test board I moved, rotated the selection to fit within the test board outline. Then I edited some component locations and attached pertinent traces. I did not, read never, unlock the primitives of the problem footprint. The result, I have a footprint where three pads are visibly shifted from their original locations within the footprint. It is a 8 pin ceramic package with a pinout similar to the number pattern below. The device is centered over an origin of 0,0 in the footprint library. The first pattern I show is as it should be, the second pattern is how it turned out, note 2 and 6 pads are shifted alternately left and right, pad three was also shifted vertically downwards slightly towards the center of the device. 1 2 3 1 2 3 80,04 8 0,0 4 7 6 5 76 5 Has anybody ever seen this problem? Any ideas on it's cause? How would you check for it in the future, without checking every single footprint? Remember, the original board this was copied from is fine, I didn't unlock the primitives of the component after copying it. All I did was paste, rotate, move the copied selection. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Orcad PCB import?
Gentlemen, Thanks for all your responses. I have in fact completed a successful translation without any noticable losses. I must have been lucky enough to be given Orcad v9 dsn and max files. So far so good, but was nice to get the input ahead of time. Thanks again all, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Orcad PCB import? At 01:11 PM 3/27/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some success in importing Orcad DSN files as far as schematic recovery goes, but does anyone know if the PCB from Orcad will import? If so what kind of information is lost in the process? I just did an Orcad Layout 9 (.MAX)import. I saw nothing out-of-place except that some text may have been moved a little, which is normal because if differing fonts, etc. Older OrCAD PCB files, I'm not so confident * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Orcad PCB import?
I have had some success in importing Orcad DSN files as far as schematic recovery goes, but does anyone know if the PCB from Orcad will import? If so what kind of information is lost in the process? Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PDF quality difference 98 and 99SE
One of the Engineers came to me today with an interesting item. He showed me some pdf files of schematics that were generated from Protel 99SE and some that were generated from Protel 98. The pdf files generated by 99SE had some very peculiar junction dot shapes and lines that appeared to shift and stagger. Has anyone else noticed a difference in the quality of the pdf's generated by the two different versions? We are using Acrobat 4.0 for writing. PDF writer and distiller. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Accessing an Access Data Base from within Protel
Kevin, I had Ian Wilson write a server that links all the fields except the read only fields from an excel file. It works similarly to the linking function inside Protel only this one works in under 8 hours. actually in seconds. It will even fill the footprint field for you. Ask him for it, it should be pretty cheap. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:57 PM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] Accessing an Access Data Base from within Protel Is it possible to write a Protel basic script that can either retrieve information from an access data base or drive an external ODBC engine (Using DDE technology?) or retrive information from an external Excell spreadsheet. What I am trying to do is update user fields in a schematic from a data base. Protel does this automatically if a dBase data base is used, but all my information is in an Access data base. Posted from Association web site by: Kevin Knight * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling
Hi Florian, I have used the Isolator software from T-Tech out of the US. It imports gerber files and drill files directly then generates its own isolation route files. It is very effective and easy to use, but not very fast. It's great for single sided test PCBs but I found it a bit of a pain for complex double sided. It seems to me that you can't beat the proto-1 service at AP Circuits. Just my opinion! www.apcircuits.com Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Florian Finsterbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:45 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling We are considering to build some prototype PCBs by isolation milling. Has anybody got experience which software is suitable to generate HPGL- or DXF-Files for the drilling machine from our Protel 99 SE Gerber-Files? Is there some free or cheap software available? Thank you for all of your help! Florian Finsterbusch * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling
Brian, Actually, when we used the Isolation S/W, it was for a New Hermes Vangard 7000 plotter/miller. It is usually used for sign making, but because it has the variable speed armature in Z axis and accepts HPGL input, that's what we used to iso-route PCBs. T-Tech has their own miller/plotter with a proprietary file exchange, but the S/W exports the isolation routing path into both DXF and HPGL. We also had some conversion S/W with our plotter to go from DXF or HPGL to their own file system, but we never used it. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:05 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling What type of driller? Are you talking about just drilling the pads holes? Or, are you talking about a board milling machine? Usually, board milling machines will take the Gerber process it specifically for the milling machine. As for a hole drilling machine, the 1 of the generated drill files might already be in a suitable format for the machine. Remember, Protel generates (if I remember correctly) a .drl, a .drr a .txt which all contain the drill data. The .txt file should be somewhere close to HPGL Gerber. It's basically a set of xy coordinates. Brian Guralnick - --- Comedy clips: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Simpsons-FatFingers.mp3 -53K ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Simpsons-Moe-LieDetector.mp3 -166K RedDwarf fans only - Year 8 - Shrink Kryten interview... ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Shrink-Kryten-16kbit.mp3 -450K ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/MP3/Shrink-Kryten-48kbit.mp3 -1.4M - --- - Original Message - From: Florian Finsterbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling | We are considering to build some prototype PCBs by isolation milling. | Has anybody got experience which software is suitable to generate HPGL- or DXF-Files for the drilling machine from our Protel 99 SE | Gerber-Files? | Is there some free or cheap software available? | | Thank you for all of your help! | | Florian Finsterbusch | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SMTH was- Software for Isolation Milling
Thanks Dennis, I didn't even know these guys existed. Good pricing. I've always used APC because I live in the same city, but the savings might be worth the shipping time. Not to mention our useless Canadian dollar goes a little farther when staying in-country. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:27 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] SMTH was- Software for Isolation Milling yes you can beat AP SMTH circuits full spec - dbl sided, sldr mask, legend, fast, about $100 Clem Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.1pcb.com/ (also in Canada) Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Florian, I have used the Isolator software from T-Tech out of the US. It imports gerber files and drill files directly then generates its own isolation route files. It is very effective and easy to use, but not very fast. It's great for single sided test PCBs but I found it a bit of a pain for complex double sided. It seems to me that you can't beat the proto-1 service at AP Circuits. Just my opinion! www.apcircuits.com Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Florian Finsterbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:45 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA]
This may have been answered previously however, has anyone experienced parts seemingly outside the board perimeter even though they are placed inside? I have been passed a ddb file from another and if I ZA- zoom all it displays an area much greater than the pcb perimeter. I have checked for hidden part fields outside the board, but that didn't fix it. If I select outside an area and draw a box around the board, several parts inside are selected. I can't remember how to fix this. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Good, Lloyd (PS, GE Harris-Canada) Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D Ahhh Mr Jenkins, I was wondering when you would jump into the fray. I've missed your soft demeanor and objectiveness. It has been so long since I've been indirectly compared to an aging dweeb and twits. I should have explained that I do not differentiate between PCB designer and Engineer as the two are not mutually exclusive. I do consider Protel an Electrical and Electronic Engineering tool. I don't consider it a Mechanical Engineering tool, nor do I consider E/E Engineers as capable at packaging design as Mech Engineers. As far as what Altium/Protel advertises and deliversgee the sales guy might have stretched the truth a littleNEWS FLASHMarketing didn't tell the whole truth. Oh my god... Exactly what myopic eutopia have you been living in? Regardless, I have grown weary of this banter and my personal assistant is late bringing my coffee, I'm going to have to jump in my gold-plated golf cart and track him/her down. He/she is probably playing beach volleyball with all the guys down in the 3D CAD dept. Regards, Mr Good, Please explain why Protel advertised a 3D-viewer tool as part of the suite upgrade price for P99/SE. While you're at it, please explain why Protel EDA is a PCB-designer's tool and not an electrical and electronics engineer's EDA tool as well (as it has been advertised for years). I realize that many PCB-designers have different motivations than engineers, but you obviously don't realize the opposite. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] hidden items outside the board perimeter. (Was: blank)
Abd ul, Thanks, I didn't realize that the autopostion did not work if the comment fields were hidden. That did the trick. I un-hid the comments, globally autopositioned all to center (AGAIN!) and everything sync'ed up. Question, how is it that when viewing the comments, they all appeared to be centered to start with, yet I had the problem? Cheers, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] hidden items outside the board perimeter. (Was: blank) At 12:39 PM 2/26/2002 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: have you checked for errant comment fields? This is what I usually find when I have had this problem. Usually our comment fields are hidden so we don't know where they really are. Try editing the comment field and changing the placement option to center. This has almost always fixed the problem for me. This only works if the fields are unhidden. Changing the autoposition option is ineffective with hidden fields. I'm not sure I'd consider this a bug, I can see a use for the behavior. But we have to know about it first! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] RF footprints
Not all problems in design are solved by software tools, however finding an adequate work around is often easier than adding the functionality to the tool set. I have only had limited experience in RF layout and coincidentally it did involve an inductor supplying power to an RF transistor. In schematic I placed an inductor in the cct to show the function, but using wires shorted the two nodes together with an explanation on the sheet as to why the shorting wires were present. They were there to solve the netlist problem that would exist without their presence. On the PCB I created a component with two pads and shorted them with a fill of calculated length and width, given that I knew what material, frequency etc the design was for. When running the DRC the check accepted the short as correct and having manually routed the PCB I was confident that it was right. BTW the transceiver did work and passed FCC/DOC testing. Regards, Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines
Bob, First thing, please get rid of the italisized text in your email. It makes it very difficult to read. I'm getting old and spent way too much time looking at a computer screen so any more fuzzy printing makes me think its my eyes going bad. Anyway, what Operating system are you running on Computer 1 and is it the same as Computer 2? If using Windoze NT, I suspect the new computer is experiencing what we have discussed on the forum as pregnant pauses most likely caused by the OS not being able to handle the interrupts from the USB ports. If this is true, my suggestion would be to switch to Windoze 2K Pro. This OS seems to be very stable and will eliminate the pregant pause problem. Other than that, more information may be required. Cheers, ...OLE_Obj... GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Ahhh Mr Jenkins, I was wondering when you would jump into the fray. I've missed your soft demeanor and objectiveness. It has been so long since I've been indirectly compared to an aging dweeb and twits. I should have explained that I do not differentiate between PCB designer and Engineer as the two are not mutually exclusive. I do consider Protel an Electrical and Electronic Engineering tool. I don't consider it a Mechanical Engineering tool, nor do I consider E/E Engineers as capable at packaging design as Mech Engineers. As far as what Altium/Protel advertises and deliversgee the sales guy might have stretched the truth a littleNEWS FLASHMarketing didn't tell the whole truth. Oh my god... Exactly what myopic eutopia have you been living in? Regardless, I have grown weary of this banter and my personal assistant is late bringing my coffee, I'm going to have to jump in my gold-plated golf cart and track him/her down. He/she is probably playing beach volleyball with all the guys down in the 3D CAD dept. Regards, Mr Good, Please explain why Protel advertised a 3D-viewer tool as part of the suite upgrade price for P99/SE. While you're at it, please explain why Protel EDA is a PCB-designer's tool and not an electrical and electronics engineer's EDA tool as well (as it has been advertised for years). I realize that many PCB-designers have different motivations than engineers, but you obviously don't realize the opposite. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Robi et al, While I agree that the Protel 3D viewer is absolutely useless, we have been using the 3D utility from Desktop-EDA to export into Solidworks. In Solidworks we assembly products with multiple PCBs, design the plastics/metal works, add overlays and create AVI's of the whole assembly, so that our customers don't have to speak or read any particular language. We can do clearance checks, show hidden features in otherwise covered locations, the advantages are endless. To limit oneself by saying, If you do you homework - properly... is like saying, I don't need a computer, I have a slide rule that works just fine. Sounds like some projects are not as complex as others. IMHO Lloyd Good -Original Message- From: robi artwork [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D Hallo Waldemar - tut mir Leid dass ich dir da widerspreche - aber:: Hi everyone - sorry that I disagree with that; but:: I don't see a 3D Viewer as a must - If you do you homework - properly It seems to me more of a laziness of the engineer to look after the height restictions. I never had a 3D Viewer - I nevere want one. If things need to be placed in a low area - you just need to take care of it and watch out. robi At 13:03 07/02/02 +0100, you wrote: Looks nice. But what use is there ? From a prototype that has been tested I can make a shot with a digital camera. This image is then used for fabrication and documentation. I realize there might be advantages when working with very bulky parts, assuming collisions are visible. But with TQFP and 1206 cases, 3D is not that spectacular. Showing off with a nicley textured connector, rendered with 10k triangles ? -- snipp -- Rene, you are right if you are designing baords used in a simple case. But imagine you are designing for a case where only partly is enough room to place even a TANT_C Capacitor, to say nothing of a connector And now imagine the mechCAD-engeneer beside you is using an 3D-CAD while you have to set placement rules and drawings in mech-layers to find out wether or not you can place this part here . Believe me, you will long for a 3D-tool. :-) regards Waldemar Robi Artwork - PCB Design Bureau PO-Box 199,Lot 33 Jamaica Drive Deception Bay Q4508Australia -- C/o Robi Bittler Ph: 07-3203 0634 Fx: 07-3203 3958 - only on request * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Brad, I understand the sentiment of the Protel viewer by others in the forum. I suppose the point that I am trying to make it that Protel is an EDA tool not a 3D CAD package. I don't expect it to be. I use it for what it is intended, not for what is not intended. Ergo, I use the 3D export utility and change programs to complete my intention. Similarily, I would not wear a parachute to go SCUBA diving, nor vice versa. Protel is an EDA package, don't expect it to do your mechanical work. It provides a near useless 3D viewer, yes, but if this propagates the usage of another program to which the transition is seamless, then perhaps it has had some use after all. I digress, Protel should not expand the 3D viewers functionality, it should embed the export utility to a plethora of 3D programs and/or generic transform genres. STEP, IGES etc.. Regards, -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:48 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D Hi Lloyd, your comments are very true for the Desktop-EDA package. However I think some of the points expressed were misunderstood. The 'Protel' viewer is a toy with virtually no useful purpose. Protel needs to align themselves with the industry and develop a true 3D mechanical interface (sorry forget the acronym) rather then a viewer. The Protel viewer is useless, absolutely useless. Would ACAD, Solidworks or any other get away with a pretty viewer in their products, no you need output suitably formatted for inclusion in the next level of development tools? Showing a pretty picture (even one with user defined models) serves no measurable useful purpose. This is what I think some of the other posters have been trying to say. The Qual-ECAD or Desktop-EDA tools are a proper path for 3D development, not a simple Protel viewer. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white elephant inside of Protel. The functionality you request would add cost, or possibly an add-on package. Hmmm extra packagessounds like the road the PADs and Orcads have been down before. And frankly I'm not interested in going down that road again. You don't use a car in the lake nor do you use a boat on roads, but as long as you have a boat trailer to transport back and forth to the different mediums.. (perhaps a flakey analogy!?) Still disagreeing ...respectfully, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:24 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D At 12:49 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protel is an EDA package, don't expect it to do your mechanical work. Certainly it is not necessary for Protel to do what a true 3-D drafting package would do. However, meeting the problems of fitting parts on a PCB, which is a very limited subset of the field of 3-D drafting, is mission critical for PCB designers. Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information; but gradually available libraries would come to include such information. For the program to be able to accept it is, in my view, fundamental. Basically a 3-D model can be associated with any footprint. Protel is doing that right now, with automatic assignment of models, just as a demonstration. So users who don't need 3-D information could simply not make those libraries available, and they would not need to set 3-D rules. And once those models are available, and once users can make their own models, a user could make an environment model or, ideally, import one from a 3-D CAD package, and then detect rule violations in 3-D. This is not very far from where we are already, and it is a logical step in the development of the program. And it would be quite useful for many designers. What is needed: (1) User ability to make and/or import 3-D models. (2) Rule checking (similar to present placement rule checking). This is pretty elementary, compared what is needed for mechanical work. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Mr Lomax, I don't believe that I missed your point at all, I just don't agree. There is no such thing as a simple 3D model. If all you want is simple height, you might want to follow Robi's advice and calculate the separations with a pencil and paper. If you need interference checking as you stated in the follow up email to this one, then you have to consider the complexity of the components true shape and mating surfaces, if any. This is not done simply and if I may say so, not Altium's responsibility. I agree that Altium would be best served by including/buying/incorporating the utilities of Desktop-EDA or the Qualecad sort, but leave the 3D world to the 3D CAD softwares. The beauty of this scenario is that it already exists and works very well. You know, don't re-invent the wheel The Desktop-EDA solution involving Solidworks is completely bi-directional and associative. When I send a preliminary layout via export to my 3D CAD counterpart, he does my interference checks including connector mating, packaging etc. If something needs to be moved, he does it and sends back the new layout which I need only to finish routing. Again, I'd like to apologize for the flakey analogy of boat and car. Regards, -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D At 01:56 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many users will not want to have to convert all their libraries to include 3-D information This is my point exactly. Some PCB designers have no interest in the 3D world, so let's not create a proverbial white elephant inside of Protel. Lloyd missed my point. A good implementation will not require users to provide 3-D information. It will merely allow them to attach a 3-D model to a footprint. Thus there would be no legacy issues. snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium preps topological autorouter
Sean, I hope you charge this guy by the hour!! -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:27 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium preps topological autorouter To quote Mike Reagan - What could be simpler and faster than create a part, import a netlist that associates the part, the netlist assigns the Ref designator? I don't get it. I'm just a simpleton. I cna't convince a engineer to do his boards schematics this way, so it takes forever to create/clean up his schematics, etc. It's a waste of time 7 money not to use the software properly. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions
Dave, With regard to the first item. Which service pack are you running. I seem to remember this same issue with anything before service pack 4 or 5. I remember the PAD net text being black and hard to read. Make sure you are running at least service pack 5. There are some issues with SP6 that I don't care for but was forces to change otherwise I would be running SP5 still. I believe if you install the SP your VIA and PAD net text will be default black text on a white blank bar. I'm sure you will get many answers to the rest of your queries. Personally, I think P98 sucked! I refused to change from 3.5 until 99SE came out. I think once you get used to the database system, you'll realize how much better it is. Cheers, Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:38 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Some new user P99se questions Hi all, I'm a die-hard p98 user and have just starting to kick the tires of p99se. From the fiddling around I've done so far I've come across a few minor items that I hope somebody could help me out with: (1) In the PCB editor, how can I change the color for the show pads and show nets. I'm using darkish colors for pads, vias, and holes and the black letters are hard to see.It would be nice to have them either black or white, nothing too fancy. In P98 they are white.I fully realize that I can change my color scheme (pads vias etc) to get around the problem or just squint alot. (2) It seems that I need to have all of my library files in seperate databases and then point to these lib-db's from my project db. This was the only way I could figure out how to do it anyways.Quite a departure from the p98 way.One possiblity is to have a seperate db for each lib file. Another is to group them together in fewer db's.Did I do this correctly or is there an easier way. (3) It seems that all of the schematic templates also need to be in there own db file (a single db?).I think the way it works is if you set that file as the default in a project db at some point in time then all future projects will have those templates available, even after you close and reboot. Did I get it right?I found this to be pretty confusing a first and was not exactly sure what was happening. Thanks for any help! Dave Lewis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Merging boards
I'm with you Dennis, I never copy the whole board into the panel. I just use another Mechanical layer (usually 3) to create a panelization drawing and let the fab house deal with it. We always print out the panel drawing and include it in the ECN package. Many of our test fixtures are created for the boards while still in the panel, but why would I want to make work for myself. Don't you know that Engineers are inherently lazy!? Cheers, -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:24 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Merging boards what mike r. was suggesting, which i think is a great idea even though i don't do it that way myself is the following: don't panelize the the main layout itself, just draw all the fussy details of the panel, breakaways etc. then let the bd shop insert the images as instructed this was you can have your cake and eat it and you don't need to maintain a separate 'single' copy for DRC one time (not using the above method) we panelized a board and one trace didn't get in the clipboard half the bds had one trace missing Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Mike, there is something amiss in your explanation regarding reference designators. You can merge multiple boards with the same reference designators, again you use the Paste Special command and select the Duplicate Reference designator box. I do this all the time, day in and day out for our development boards. You can/will also use the Keep Nets selection and you may have ratsnest connections between boards where similar nets occur. But other then that it works just fine. I most heartedly suggest that all design, checking and editing be absolutely complete before you merge boards because after merging editing or DRC checking and other operations can become very complex because of unrouted nets between boards, duplicate designators and the likes. Keep your original singular boards to work on for future editing, keep the merged boards as a separate panelized file, edit only the original singular boards when editing is required. The problem with merging boards which contain differing or split planes is very much more complex. Basically it probably shouldn't be attempted unless you are quite experienced or the boards are absolutely identical. For this very reason I usually use Mid-layers rather then Plane layers and I draw my planes as polygons. This is much more conducive to merging multiple boards into a panel. It also gets you around some of the limitations/bugs associated with Planes not being DRC'ed properly for all possible errors. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Merging boards Sean wrote: When I merged 2 boards to create a pallette, 2 of the internal split planes of the 2nd board changed nets. Is there any way to prevent this, or is it a bug? Sean, I am assuming you are panelizing two boards, which are identical. If the boards are identical use the Paste Special, and check keep the same nets, also check Duplicate reference numbers. This should work. If you are attempting to merge two board that are not identical, but share the same reference numbers then they can not be merged. Is it a bug? I think it is more the method which Protel chooses to implement not a bug. I agree with it because it prevents a designer from having parts with duplicate reference numbers. The work around for all penalization is draw the panels, the routes, break off tabs on the drill file then ask your board house to panelize the design to your outline. Care must be taken that the outlines you create are exact, as I have had calls from a board house because I was 1 mil off grid. Also you might want to add a fab note for the direction of the panels, since a square board can be rotated to fit. The third action is to have the fab house return the paste gerber which is panelized otherwise you may have a registration problem with BGAs. Good Luck Mike Reagan EDSI -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: *
Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?
While I have set this parameter, it seems that new netlist loading will still see the new connections use a default grey color which is not the color I have set. Has anyone else seen this? Possibly a bug? -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:02 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Right click in a free of the PCB work space, select Options/Colors/ from the pop up menu, then click in the coloured box next to Connections. Tom. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2001 10:06 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Further to this thread, does anyone know how to set the default color of the ratsnest lines. I know how to edit them but would prefer that they came up with the color of my choice everytime they were created. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:08 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Sounds like the connections have been turned off. You can get them back again by doing the following in PCB: View - Connections - Show All This menu also has provision to hide or view individual components nets or global nets like power/ground. Its useful when placing parts to see a less cluttered ratsnest. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr, HomebushFax:+61 2 9763 3409 Sydney, NSW, 2127 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia ___ Shuping Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/13/2001 04:06:41 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Hello, there, Does anybody know why my netlist on the PCB suddenly turned into hidden lines instead of solid lines? I did not change anything and not sure how to changed them back to solid lines again. Thanks in advance. Susan Lew Quintron Systems, Inc * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:23 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Any comments on the level of support others have gotten? I've not called for any tech support since Protel moved from California to Utah. The last time I spoke to someone at Protel, Sam Cox and Vinh Ho were the two support personnel. I see both their names on the forum list now. Everything I need as far as support goes I find right here, though after this many years I hope I know what I'm doing. Seems to me that Altium did not think through this plan very thoroughly, or did not expect this kind of backlash. Didn't the American rebellion start over something like this? Sam and Vinh, being former employees, I'd be interested to see what you both think of current developments. Any thoughts you'd like to share gentlemen? Cheers, * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Tim, Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a Testpoint report, which will output the X/Y co-ordinates of all your testpoints, provided that you have set all the testpoints as such. Meaning checked the testpoint box under the pad attributes menu. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:41 AM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] .TXT File generation My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following: X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how? Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Clipboard to copy from PCB to other Windows apps
Steve, You can export the print preview parts out to a windows metafile, but for small snips of pcb this is a real lengthy process. You're better to use a utility (shareware) called Snag-it . This is a great little utility and very easy to use, you can select portions of the screen or the whole screen and save in multiple different formats. Try it, let me know how it goes. Cheers, http://www.snagit.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Clipboard to copy from PCB to other Windows apps I'm trying to grab a clip from a PCB file to copy to another app (PowerPoint, although I can get there via any of a hundred other apps). I can't get the copy operation to work such that I can then paste. I recall there being a trick to it; seems like I've done it before, but I can't remember how. Any hints? Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines?
Further to this thread, does anyone know how to set the default color of the ratsnest lines. I know how to edit them but would prefer that they came up with the color of my choice everytime they were created. Regards, Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:08 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Sounds like the connections have been turned off. You can get them back again by doing the following in PCB: View - Connections - Show All This menu also has provision to hide or view individual components nets or global nets like power/ground. Its useful when placing parts to see a less cluttered ratsnest. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr, HomebushFax:+61 2 9763 3409 Sydney, NSW, 2127 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia ___ Shuping Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/13/2001 04:06:41 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: [PEDA] How to change Netlist lines back to solid lines? Hello, there, Does anybody know why my netlist on the PCB suddenly turned into hidden lines instead of solid lines? I did not change anything and not sure how to changed them back to solid lines again. Thanks in advance. Susan Lew Quintron Systems, Inc * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR?
If possible I would love a copy too, Please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Georg Beckmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:04 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] AW: CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR? I sent it to Abdulrahman Lomax he wanted to bring it to the file section in this forum. But anyway, I send it to your e-mail address. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Dezember 2001 01:47 An: 'Protel EDA Forum'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Betreff: [PEDA] CAMTASTIC GERBER TO PROTEL TRANSLATOR? Georg Beckmann mentioned having a little utility to convert the GERBER output from CAMTASIC to PROTEL compatible Gerber for import to Protel. Does anyone have this file they can make available to me? I would like to test it on some boards I am plying with. Could be very useful thanks Bill Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:59 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [PEDA] AW: imported Gerber info missing Hi Georg, Could I get a copy of the Gerber translator program you mentioned in this post? - Bill Brooks Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm -Original Message- From: Georg Beckmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:17 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] AW: imported Gerber info missing Thanks for the advice, someone made me a simple program to convert the gerber files generated by camtastic that protel can inport it. The program adds the Dnn and cuts the first 3 lines of the gerber that protel don't understand. It is a simple DOS program you can start in a dos-box with the name of the source gerber to convert. The result is a file with the same name but a gbx instead of a gbr extention. So you have to rename it and preserve your source somewhere. With this I was able to import the gerber. The drills I first imported in camtastic and had to make a tool file. ( In my sources the drill tools and the apertures are only in a text-Doc ) Then I exported the drills as a gerber and imported to protel on a mech layer. With global change it was possible to add a hole of the same size then the pad on this layer. Now I can make the post processes and even make minor changes on this pcb. -- If anybody wants the program, please let me know, it's free. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 07:57 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: Re: [PEDA] imported Gerber info missing At 03:40 PM 10/18/01 -0600, Colby Siemer wrote: Ted, The reason Protel will not import the gerber properly is because of the way the DCodes are done in the CAMTastic version being used. Protel needs to have the DCode listed each time, it does not assume the last used DCode if it is missing. CamTastic only lists it one time until the code changes then it lists it again. Note that this refers to the D-Code for flash or for draw, which is D01 or D02, I forget which is which. The line format, at least the usual one, is X[x1]Y[y1]Dnn* where x1 and y1 are integers formatted according to the settings. When you want to examine a file, it can be useful to set zero suppression to none, so every coordinate will be the same length. That makes it easy to set up field in a database. Anyway, the RS-274 standard is that a parameter remains the same unless it is changed. So if you have, for example, two points with the same X coordinate, you could draw a line between the two without having to specify the X coordinate twice. Protel reads this correctly. The same thing is true for the D-codes which specify the aperture. One does not have to specify the aperture over and over again, it simply remains what it was when it was last set. It had never occurred to me that the D-command at the end of the line would be the same way. But it is. A line like X[xvalue]* will either draw or flash depending on the last used D-code. The asterisk is sufficient in that case. (CR/Line Feed is irrelevant to Gerber code as I recall, but it is usually used, makes it much easier to read! And Protel might require it, I think.) I could not see any option in CAMtastic which would control this feature in the output. CAMtastic apparently assumes that it is universally known; indeed, it should be. It was an error for the Protel programmers to assume that imported gerber was Protel-generated. Yes, they might not have wanted to implement the full standard, but this item was trivial. It would
Re: [PEDA] Unconnected Traces
Does anyone know how to get Camtastic to check for these hanging traces? Cheers, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Ian Capps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Unconnected Traces Nick You will need to look into Camtastistic or one of the other Gerber veiwers to do this as they use different design checking concepts. It pays to do it in gerber as it will also pick up things like annular ring on obrounds that protel won't. Ian Capps - Original Message - From: Nicholas Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:35 AM Subject: [PEDA] Unconnected Traces Previously when I have released a board for fab I have gotten a call about traces that lead to nowhere. These are traces I previously routed and then removed the component. Is there any way to check for these kind of traces in Protel? Nick Cobb * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping
Why would you want to take a step backwards! -Original Message- From: Watnoski, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping My best recommendation would be to toss Protel out and use P-CAD. Michael -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping Does anybody know how to get Protel to do gate pin swapping? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 This message was scanned for viruses on behalf of The Black Decker Corporation. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping
Mr. Lomax I would hesitate to let the pcb routing dictate the FPGA configuration. It has been my experience in the past that this can result in disastrous synthesis. I would suggest that unless you have full control over the FPGA simulation, synthesis and layout, that it is best to let the FPGA programming (Xilinx Foundation or fascimile) dictate what pins get connected to what signal. Regards, Lloyd Good -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pin gate swapping At 07:48 AM 11/21/01 -0500, Sean James wrote: Does anybody know how to get Protel to do gate pin swapping? Protel does not support this automatically. But it is not difficult to go back and forth between schematic and pcb to accomplish something similar. And with a complex assignment problem, where we want to improve routing, say, for a many-pin FPGA, I created a single-pin part, popped one of it onto each interchangeable pin on the schematic, created a footprint for this part which was equal in size to one pad of the FPGA, and placed these parts on the corresponding swappable pads of the FPGA. Then, while routing manually, I could just move them around until I got a good arrangement; I'll leave the rest of the process as an exercise for the student... :-) But it was not at all difficult to transfer this data back to the schematic. Two hints: I made a mech layer copy of the FPGA footprint and replaced the actual FPGA with that copy while I was working. This allowed me to pick up the pieces with ease -- without going through a selection dialog -- but they still would snap into place. It may be easier to make a special symbol for the swapped FPGA than to use the original symbol, which would require rerouting the schematic. However, if the swappable nets are assigned to the FGPA with net labels instead of wires, rerouting is easy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
Hi Fred, Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is our responsibility as Users to inform and demand that the product perform as advertised. This forum provides an excellent venue for us to discuss what is and isn't working and what the market desires for new revisions. However, occasionally it seems that there are a few Users out there that either don't understand the program and it's function or want it to do something that it was never intended to do. As I indicated before, I have seen the evolution of the software for the last 15 years. It has made some positive steps and some negative ones. One of my biggest frustrations is seeing a function that used to work well become one that does not. Overall, I am very pleased with the direction the program has been going, but the latest shift with the maintainence agreements that Altium is proposing has me greatly concerned. Sometimes I might just be over sensitive to all the whining going on in the forum, but then I don't have children so I am not used to that kind of thing either, haha. It is somewhat easy to tell the longtime Users from the more recent in the forum. Speaking of oldtimers, Mr Lomax (respectfully) What is your overall general opinion of the developments from AutoTrax 6.0 to DE 99SE? Regards, Lloyd Good -Original Message- From: Fred A Rupinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:10 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage Most of us make the best of it, or we wouldn't be using this software in the first place. Nevertheless, if we don't complain, and if we don't submit our needs and preferences, there's little chance that we will get the quality software we expect. You have an obligation to yourself to insist that software vendors provide what they promised, specified, and what you paid for. Regards, Fred A Rupinski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
Bill, Sounds like the exact type of situation we are in. We have old schematics in Autocad, old pcbs in PCAD and even a few designs in old Orcad. Until recently, we used the same file managment system you describe and frankly I did everything I could to get rid of it. What nonsense it was to keep all the files separate. We use much the same part numbering scheme that you do for the individual files and used to save them in separate subdirectories on a backed up server. We call our ECO's ECN's but I see just as many as you seem to. It was the policy that you kept track of what version schematic matched that version of PCB by the Revision Control Record (RCR) in the ECN. The product had a vintage number that was represented by the current ECN. So we had paper controlling electronic files. (cart before horse senario) We still use RCRs in the ECN, but we no longer break apart the files. We keep the product number in the ddb file and show the independant schematic/pcb versions in the file name as well. Our ECN process is in the stages of becoming automated as well. So linking one complete source file to the database is going to be so much easier that linking, schematic, pcb, gerbers, rev history...etc. We also duplicate the source output into pdf files for documentation and release into other departments not running Protel. The print manager works wonderfully for pcb layers. Yes, it is a pain to configure each time, but it only takes 30 secs to delete what I don't want and set up what I do. I have the rebuild set up to only initiate when I click the rebuild button. When set up, I can print out all the layers I want in any configuration in a single pdf. To my knowledge, you couldn't do that with the old simplistic print feature. The working files are kept in a directory on the server that is accessible only to the Development Engineers. Once a file change ECN is approved the source and document pdf's are copied to a release directory for access by the rest of the company. The only files that ever get separated are the gerbers which like you are zipped up, then stored with the rest of the source files for access by the purchasing dept. Currently working files are divided up into project directories which have individual access programmed, but we are experimenting with the priviledges setup inside the Protel ddb file system. We have re-written our ISO procedures to reflect all the new developments, and personally, you would have to drag me kicking and screaming to back to what you have to do. I'm not saying you are doing it wrong or poorly, but the changes sure seem to be cleaning stuff up for us. Regards, Lloyd * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antwort
Ralf, I think what Mr Lomax was doing was trying to find a way for our unilingual cousins to the South to remember what antwort means, not it's literal translation. Auf wiedersehen, -Original Message- From: Ralf Gütlein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:12 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antwort From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] For English speakers to remember this, Ant = back, as in anterior, and wort, I would guess, not knowing German, would be the same as English ward. So, backward. Not *completely* correct, though near to it. The german wort is the same as the english word, so the meaning is back-word, or, the older form ans-wer ;-) Cheers, Ralf * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do you actually use? I have made my own comments to Mr. Rupinski's disection. Hope you don't mind my plagerism. - SchematicYES My only concern is that I wish the ERC checking was a little more comprehensive. - Global Editing YES This works just fine. Once you learn the nuances, its effective and easy. - ReportBOMYESThis should allow complete user control (Absolutely!!) - PCBYESCompared to others I've used in the past 15 years, it's intuitive and easy to use. - PowerprintYes, at first I hated it, now I love this way to print, makes making single PDF files from pcb layers so much easier. - CAM ManagerYES - SimulatorYESOnly used once, wish this was covered better by the documentation. - AutoRouterNEVER, and have serious concerns about layout people who do. (Unless using Spectra) - 3D ViewerYESCompletely useless! As I have said previously, Protel should buy the export applications from Desktop-EDA. 3D export to IDF/STEP/IGES or Solidworks is a necessity for real and efficient product integration. I can't even begin to tell you how this has improved the relationship between PCB and Mechanical design. - PLDI would if I had the time to learn this part. - Arrange ComponentsNo, - AutoPlacerNo, - PCB MiterNo - Signal IntegrityUsed once, will definitely keep trying it. - Database LinkYES, but this used to work in Client 3.x, it has since been totally screwed up!! Takes way to long to be useful, and our company NEEDs it to work properly. ARE YOU LISTENING PROTEL! - LibraryNo, Protel libraries have never been reliable or adequate. I lost all confidence when the QFP-100 only had 80 pins. - Send By MailNever tried. - CamtasticYESI have used it to convert old gerbers into something Protel can load. - Intuitive InterfaceIf you have ever used PADS, you'll think Protel is one the MOST intuitive programs out there. I have never seen a more User hostile interface than PADS. - SDK EDA server - YES, but not myself. I have had some servers built for me by others, again not covered particularly well but the documentation. - ProductivityThis is a function of the User, I have used Protel since the DOS Autotrax days and have seen the rise and fall of productivity. The worst version of Protel ever produced in my opinion was Protel 98, and a tie for the best is Protel for Windows 2.8 PCB and DE99SE given that you have to judge each one at it's time of deployment. Obviously 99SE is more powerful, but can you imagine trying to run it on a 1991 top-of-the-line PC. I think not. No software is perfect or free from bugs, just look at Windoze, however you can either work around it and make the best of it or sit there and complain. Yes I would like some things fixed, but considering what else is out there, I am making the best of the current situation. Regards, Lloyd Good * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
I'm with you, Tony. You couldn't pay me to go backwards into the old separated file method. Our designs use a numbering scheme which in the past meant having to look up on paper records which version of schematic matched what version of pcb. The ddb file system makes it fast and idiot proof. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:00 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage I love the design explorer. When I revisit a design from a year or more ago, I can see everything I was up to at the time. Oh, I did 2 protos...Oh, here was production gerber set 2, etc... I just got a call to change some hole sizes on a board so I called up and 'old' design, globally changed some hole sizes, went to the CAM manager and pressed F9 - voila! New gerbers were ready to go. I didn't have to remember squat! I'm glad the old scattered-on-your-harddrive approach is gone. You can still have it that way, just don't use the integrated DDB file. Tony -Original Message- From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:54 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage This examination of the Protel package usage is a good exercise... Protel should pay attention to this. rant mode on My pet peeve with the Protel Explorer concept is that I have to open everything, in a specific place, without any changes in the windows environment, in order to get the design up and running to edit it... I can't keep my users from being confused about the stupid thing... I just want it to go away. I want the option to disable the stupid thing and use the program like it was in the 98 version... without all the bugs.. At least it made sense to everyone back then. Archiving files, Rev Control, argh... must be done manually anyways... with or without it. They have added a layer of complexity that was not wanted or needed... I presume that it simplifies the desire to do their paranoid licensing checks over the network... but it provides me with nothing but trouble... no net value to the company... I prefer a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) approach... One program one function... Windows explorer does ALL that is needed to handle organization of files... PCB should read PCB's. Schematic should read Schematics, PLD should do PLD's... SIM should simulate.. this things do not need to be hidden inside an extra layer of hierarchy.. I archive just the .pcb and .sch and throw away the ddb file... the backups... the superfluous junk files... This is in order to capture the important files for archiving... I do not use the 1 file for all files approach to Protel, I use the Windows file system to keep the files out where we can see them... where we don't get confused about which file is which.. and what rev is what...etc... The ability to do IPC-356 Netlist out or ODB++ file output, or the GENCAM format might be useful... If it doesn't make our lives more complex than it has too.. I dislike what the Autorouter does, It breaks the DRC rules and creates more cleanup for the designer... I'm sure it makes sales though... looks awesome in the demo... If they ever did make it do what it was advertised to do it would be worth the extra cash I don't do sim, signal integ, pld, 3D, The print manager is sucky... and buggy... and makes me repeat the setup steps over and over with every edit session I set up...the 3D implementation is a... not too funny joke... A good translator to solidworks would be way more useful... The CAM manger is ... well could be better... still have to set it up every time... And the 'Microsoft' approach to releasing software before there is good beta testing and debug... is just poor customer relations... Protel has a reputation of being the 'Jack of all Trades' and Master of none... and when do we get to put our feet up on the desk like that guy who's in the picture on the box? Rant mode off As a caveat, I still like Protel better than PADS... (which truly sucks with terrific force...) all things are relative...after all :) Still wish they had not used the Explorer concept as a required option.. it sucks. - Bill Brooks (don't quote me...I use sarcasm as a tool... lol) -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is my usage of Protel - Schematicyes - PCB yes - Powerprint yes - CAM Manageryes - Simulatorsometimes - still have great difficulty providing models for many components. - Autorouter yes - usually try it on every board, and usually take the best result from a few trials and finish/clean-up by hand. I trick myself into
Re: [PEDA] 3D PCBs
Colin et al, Further to your point, if Altium / Protel or whatever you want to call them now were smart, they would buy out the 3D export features from Desktop-eda and incorporate them into the next version. The 3D viewer that Protel offered with the SE version is what prompted me to contact Desktop-eda about the creation of an IDF exporter in the first place. Consequently, after a few months of trying, it was easier to switch from Pro-E to Solidworks for what we were trying to accomplish, but in the end we have a system that is unbelievably efficient for mechanical/electrical integration. JMHO, Lloyd -Original Message- From: Colin Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:55 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 3D PCBs I produce 3D PCBs quite often. We do not however bother with nice or accurate looking components, rather, just extruded figures. http://www.qualecad.com/ will do this easily. This software can also accept custom library components developed in a mechanical CAD system. The Protel 3D addon is just pathetic and I hold no hope for it. Sorry but it just is crap. The http://www.desktop-eda.com.au/ company does have fully functioning addons for 3D also. The have an interface for Autocad and Solidworks. The reason we didn't go with it was that we did not want to build yet another library of components to maintain. Without a full time librarian that is too much work. Also, the purchase cost of a mechanical CAD system was required. Fred, can you live with rectangles and cylinders to represent your boards? I can email you an example of how they look if you want. You won't see cute looking colour bands around your resistors but I think the picture is reasonable and representative. The best part is these 3D baords are a cinch to produce. -- At 01:41 PM 15/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: I don't have an answer, but I have also been wondering how this is done. And wondering if there is some 3D data which needs to be added somewhere? Also if it is not on the bug list already (P99SP6) The 3D viewer seems to display several of the DB9 (and many other connectors) from the legacy libraries upside down. In other words placing the component on the top side, it appears in the 3D viewer, as if the component has been populated from the bottom side, as if the topside was the solder side. ---Phil A new addon server is being develop by desktop-eda. This will allow, apparently, the interface with mechanical 3d modelling and pcb 3d modelling. Full control of the 3d-ing etc. Dont quote me on this though. Wayne Trow You cannot currently. I say currently because I HOPE Protel does something useful with this feature. We've been waiting to see for a couple years now. Tony To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to generate custom components for use in 3D renderings for 99SE. There is a program called Protel/IDF Interface, I don't know how well it works, but you can set the height of the components, and the width and depth are set by the overlay. I've tried using Protel 3D interface before, but didn't have much luck; any odd shaped boards and it doesn't like it, lots of other errors to, like connectors sometimes looking correct and other times being a hugh grey block (which covers half the board). I've given up trying to use it, I just let our mechanical department model it (give them a few measurements for main components, connectors, etc). Steve Fred, To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to generate custom components for use in 3D renderings for 99SE. Tim I would like to use a 3D rendering of a prototype PCB for a project proposal. The rendering displays abnormal looking components at custom footprint locations. This is completely unacceptable for a professional proposal. Using 99SE SP6, can anyone tell me how I can generate realistic custom components for use in 3D renderings? Regards, Fred A Rupinski PS I submitted this question to technical supportagain. -- Regards, Colin Weber * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file?
Rob, If you send me the file I have a PCAD file convertor, you may lose some hole information but most everything comes across okay. What ever doesn't can be fixed in Protel. Regards, Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:28 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Will the latest version pull in a PCAD binary file? My current problem is we have the old PCAD binary file, but no machine running the old PCAD, and the old file would take a week to pull in to the new PCAD and check . Since the board house lost the program for the flying probe tester, I'd rather make them upgrade their software than have to go back and try to regenerate a PDIF file. In the future we intend to supply IPC-D-356A files unless we really have to supply the PCB file. Thanks, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/25/2001 06:21:41 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Yes very familiar with Genrad. Unless you have the latest version which includes the new Protel file convertor, you need to export your Protel PCB file out in Version 2.8 ASCII format. Then Genrad has a program convertor called Alchemist which converts to GenCad.cad files. Hope that helps Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Our board house is asking for a GENCAD.CAD file for their flying probe tester which I believe is made by GenRad. Has anyone ever heard of this format? Is this actually a format that Protel will produce, but named wrong? GenRads web site is less than usefull since anything that might have information in it is login protected. The current board that is at issue was done in an OLD version of PCAD which we don't have running and PCAD 2001 doesn't like the design because the people who did it thought they were clever and combined power planes and signal layers in a painful way. So we can't generate the GENCAD.CAD file for them or the PDIF file they say they could also take. Of course if they hadn't lost the program they did a year and half ago for this board they wouldn't have this problem. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PADs conversion
Hello all, Has anyone had any success in converting old (versions 2 3) PADs files into Protel? We have a company that we purchased whose old files are in these formats and need some conversion utility to do many file conversions. Please advise. Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Diode pads
Now that we've finished bashing Brad, let's all have a group hug...yeeuck! I'm not too concerned how many use the 123 method though it seems the EBC AK is the majority. My original question was whether anyone else has a problem with CAE software and the EBC method. This CBtest part of GENRad seems to choke on the K of diodes and the GDS of fets but not the EBC part of transistors. Does anyone else have this problem and have you found a work around other than the test Engineer changing the pad designators globally. Changing the pads works, but there is a risk that the file could leak out of his dept and into the released section of files, which would be disastrous. Regards, Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:51 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Diode pads Jeff, thanks for your kind words. I wasn't really in need of support but it seems that my comments made people see red to the point where they failed to appreciate the context of my statements. Hopefully my post earlier today helped to refocus the context that I had intended. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Diode pads SNIP Jeff Stout P.S. I'm not that pure either. I use AK for diodes... bad, bad, bad.' * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Designator conventions?!
Hi all, Even the term Designator conventions smacks of oxymoron. I am trying to create a company library database and SOP for design. I have many Engineers with various cultural backgrounds, some of which use some pretty weird ID's and symbols. Before I institute my 10 commandments, I would love to see some Designator conventions used by all of you. Please include as many as possible in your replies. The more ammunition the better. Note- I would prefer more North Amercian conventions as we are a N.A company. Thanks, Lloyd Good GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 (403) 214-4777 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management
David, I couldn't agree with you more. With regards to library management, we have had a horrific experience with designers creating their own libraries and project libraries etc. Countless errors have been produced by this and finally I took the initiative, much to some designers dismay, to create a standard company library to include only the parts not found in the existing libraries and a much reduced DEVICE library. We have one library manager and he is responsible for any new part construction. Yes it does slow the design process somewhat, but it eliminates rework due to mistakes. I have indicated before that we have a very diverse cultural menagerie of designers and with each making their own version of the same part, well you can imagine the schematic nightmare. We have also done this to our pcb footprint library. No footprint is used without the manufacturing dept approval of the footprint first after its creation. When we use outside contractors, the same rules apply, we supply our pcb footprint library on CD. Just what we are doing. Seems to be working. Lloyd Good GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 (403) 214-4777 -Original Message- From: David Cary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 1:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Library Management Dear Andy Lintz, I've been wodering about this myself. Why does everyone have to re-invent the wheel ? Andy Lintz asked for library advice: I want to set up a system to maintain orderly control over my parts and boards. Some of you seasoned pros probably have some good advice on the topic that might get me started off on the right path. There are so many library files and it seems impossible to tell where a given part originated from once it is in a design. Is it wise to make a company library of only the parts actually used, and copy individual parts to this company maintained library? I've been trying to do that. But it seems that all the other designers have their own ideas on how to organize a library, so we've ended up with an individual library for each person. When a person takes over a project (or when he wants to use a part originally used on someone elses's project), stuff gets copied into his personal library. I keep thinking there ought to be a better way. Is it correct that the libraries are only accessed when a part is first placed, when the 'update parts from cache' in Schematic Editor is executed, or when the 'Update PCB' in the PCB Footprint Editor is executed? (The libraries are not used or needed each time the design is opened, right?) Yes. If you email a .sch or .pcb file to me, I can view it, even though I don't have any of your libraries. By using Design | Make Project Library I can extract a library of symbols from your schematic, or Design | Make Library to extract a library of footprints from your layout. If I execute a 'Make Library' command from inside a schematic or pcb design, do all parts then reference that new library instead of whatever library they were originally placed from? No. Stuff inside a schematic or pcb always references the cache embedded in that same .sch or .pcb file. Those things never reference any library. Often I would like to know which library a particular item came from. But unfortunately, with Protel 99SE s.p. 6, it's impossible to find out which library it came from. What is general practice on the use of the library read-only fields and part fields? Are company part numbers usually assigned to one of the part fields, one of the library fields, or not at all in Protel? (If its the library fields, I think that means a unique library part for each value of resistor and cap) ... Andrew Lintz Good question. The designer next door to me has a unique library symbol for each value of resistor and cap on his schematics; the Lib Ref field (symbol name) contains the company part number. Another method I've seen for naming schematic symbols (which Baldwin insists on calling a ``gate decal'') and naming footprints (which Baldwin calls a ``pcb decal''): PCB Design Guidelines:Naming Conventions http://www.baldwin-tech.com/designgu.htm I keep thinking there ought to be a better way. -- David Cary * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address
Re: [PEDA] Printing schematics
Hello all, One thing I have never figured out is how to arrange the order of the sheets in a project so that they are in the order that I want, and that they print in that order. Has anyone ever bothered to figure it out and could you please enlighten me?! Regards, Lloyd Good GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 (403) 214-4777 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] .Legend on the Drill Drawing layer.
I may be wrong but as I understand it, gerber layers don't have holes in the pads. So it would seem reasonable to assume that your total 2030 is 0mm. Unless your talking about the NC drill files in which case I'm talking through my hat and you're in trouble. Regards, Lloyd Good GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 (403) 214-4777 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:34 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] .Legend on the Drill Drawing layer. Dear Members, I always trust the drill chart which protel creats on the drill drawing layer, (with a special string .Legend on the drill drawing layer). But This time, when I check the gerber file, I find that the drill chart does not match the actual holes well. From the hole size editor, I get the number of 0.4mm holes is 2026, and 1.5mm holes is 4, But from the gerber file, It says that there are 2030 holes with 0mm dia, and no holes with 1.5mm dia. Does anyone else come across that? Or How can I solve that? Any inputs would be great appraciate. BTW, I am quite busy these days. Maybe I will not respond your mail promptly, But I can hear the voice from you all, and thanks very much for your kindly responses. The best wishes to you all. Luo. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion
Can anyone direct me to some research papers published about the advantages and disadvantages of using Gold emersion on mulitlayer pcbs. I have only heard information from pcb vendors but would like to see something published. Any documentation that includes manufacturing results would be great. Thanks in advance. Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 * +1 (403) 214-4777 * +1 (403) 287-7946 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion
Hi Brad, My understanding is that gold emersion is great for fine pitch, better conduction, excellent shelf life, and reduction in board warp due to inconsistent board cooling and thermal shock as it occurs with HASL. My Manufacturing people are worried because, the profile temps in the oven need to be higher in order to get the solder to wick and flow. How does this affect board warp? I would hypothesize that because the profile is a gradual increase there is no thermal shock as in HASL but what are the other factors and effects. I checked out that website and it has some information but not enough to do adequate research. Any comments? Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 * +1 (403) 214-4777 * +1 (403) 287-7946 -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:35 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion Lloyd, here is a relatively good reference source: http://www.merix.com/main_res.html Select DFM and proceed to the section on plating. What is your question? Possibly I have some answer if I knew the precise question. I have several other papers in printed form on various board platings and relative performances (not really specific but generic comparisons, if you know what I mean. Lots of talk but little specific detailed comparisons). Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion Can anyone direct me to some research papers published about the advantages and disadvantages of using Gold emersion on mulitlayer pcbs. I have only heard information from pcb vendors but would like to see something published. Any documentation that includes manufacturing results would be great. Thanks in advance. Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 * +1 (403) 214-4777 * +1 (403) 287-7946 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Netlist error?
This is a new one for me. I have a heiarchical design with 8 pages. Everything passes the ERC and from the observation, looks fine but when I try to generate a netlist it seems to not connect one page. Even the power ports on that one page create their own nodes. So if the rest of the design has a net called GND, this page also has a net called GND which should be connected to the other GND net, but isn't. I'm scratching my head on this one. I tried to rejoin the page on the project sheet by using the -Tools-Create symbol from Sheet. This was not successful. The really weird thing is that the power ports which should be global aren't being connected. Any suggestions?! Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 * +1 (403) 214-4777 * +1 (403) 287-7946 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Netlist error?
Thanks all for your input. What I serendipidiously discovered was many short fragments of wires scattered throughout this particular sheet which created junctions between nodes that shouldn't have been connected. I went through the hard copy to see what connections were valid and eliminated the wrong connections. Viola.fixed. Apparently Protels ERC checker did not pick up the multiple connections for what ever reason. I even made sure the multiple net name check was on. It may have to do with the sheet not having many net labels on the connectionsnot sure. Thanks again, Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Harris Energy Control Systems Canada Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, AB, Canada T1Y 7J7 * +1 (403) 214-4777 * +1 (403) 287-7946 -Original Message- From: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:19 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Netlist error? On Mon, 07 May 2001 11:08:40 -0400, you wrote: I cleaned up this schematic from another designer who didn't realize power ports were global, so he placed ports on all the sheets routing GND, VCC etc. Now that it's all cleaned up, I get this disjointed GND net. The VCC net seems to be connecting as do all the other netshuh? Ahh, that could be a tricky area - I seem to remember something about using port connections to isolate power nets between sheets. Like supplying static RAM with a battery backed VCC by placing it on a separate sheet and connecting power with ports. There may even be an example in the handbook or somewhere. I don't know exactly how it was supposed to work or if it is still supposed to work like that. Make double sure you don't have any GND ports left on the sheet (or sheet symbols). Cheers, Terry. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
