Got it.
On emissions, in California it's tailpipe that's important, so from that
standpoint, Tesla is still far superior.
If you want to go behind that, it gets murkier (particularly if you want to use
lead acid batteries).
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On Jun 7, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Ben Goren via EV
What EV is better than a Tesla? One person I know that has a Tesla has owned
cars of all types, many of them luxury ones. He says that his Tesla is the best
car he has *ever* owned.
So what do you think is better?
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On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:41 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing
field?
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On May 6, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Presumably more choices will mean more
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On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing
field?
It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd
suggest would be politically
6, 2015 1:09 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.
My guess is that most ZEV owners (and many ICE owners) have a 2nd vehicle
that is not a ZEV unless their lifestyle, tastes and habits match their ZEV
or not for this market. There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I
certainly want to see their sales increase. Ideally speaking, I'd rather see
real cars rather than compliance cars. Just an emotional response.
Peri
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I don't get this.
Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they are
there?
We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.
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On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I was wondering
On May 5, 2015, at 7:50 AM, len moskowitz lenmoskow...@optonline.net wrote:
Mark wrote:
Did they both offer similar warranties?
SunPower offers a better loss-of-efficiency-over-time warranty.
Len Moskowitz
Thank you.
SC folks claim they have the best warranty in the space, but
On May 4, 2015, at 5:25 PM, len moskowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
They both came in at $4/watt installed, with SunPower offering a higher
capacity system for our limited roof size. That was the main difference
between them.
Did they both offer similar warranties?
On May 4, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I don't think that's a valid assumption in this case. Tesla is including a
ten-year warranty, meaning they're going to have to typically be nearly as
good after 9 years and 364 days as they are new (presumably within some
On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought and
paid for is the property of the state.
Huh?
The Certificate of Title establishes *you* as owner of the car. Not the state.
is converting the methane to hydrogen and using it in a fuel cell. It
seems like the hydrogen conversion is still likely to create CO2. How does
the hydrogen cycle reduce air pollution from using methane?
Mike
On April 23, 2015 7:28:17 PM MDT, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
It will always be twice as expensive in fuel to run a fuel cell vehicle.
This statement puzzled me. What about future pricing of fuel for a BEV would
cause the price to rise so much?
Or do you
to hydrogen) you can't assume that hydrogen will all be
created from methane. It just won't, and the percentages are dropping and will
continue to do so.
Mike
On April 24, 2015 12:35:18 AM MDT, Mark Abramowitz via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Sure, that question has merit. I only answered
That's hilarious!
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On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon
Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and
process it to hydrogen.. all
On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Um...why not just use that methane as is? I mean, we already do -- every
vehicle with a CNG or LNG sticker on it is burning methane.
To reduce air pollution. That's why CARB adopted the ZEV mandate.
On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:17 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I dont care what gas cost, never hugged a tree nor will. I have NO political
affiliation, will not condemn any politician, nor point a finger, cus, thers
always 3 pointing back
You just hate
Talk about cynical!
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On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Milking the same-o 1100 lease-only compliance-car EVs as long as possible
for ice-sales-credits
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What you expect them to do with your data?
You have a lot of expertise on EVs, but there's a lot more to getting an agency
to try something than that, particularly one like the USPS.
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On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV
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On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Lawrence Rhodes via EVev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
This is a report about the program. The average daily use was 10 miles
perfect for Lead EV's charged every day.
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
This seems to confirm
, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
According to a presentation that I saw UPS give about a week ago,
they have a number of EVs out there, though they have had some
issues
I think perspective will change as batteries begin needing replacement.
I also think that there are a number of different possible business models for
how a swap might work, including some that we haven't thought of yet.
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On Mar 17, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 14, 2015, at 3:54 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Exactly. This is the by-product of the software changes that had to be made
almost a year ago. The whole sad story is here :
It clear as mud to me from the link why this list has these problems. I belong
to
On Mar 14, 2015, at 3:54 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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But don't get me started on what the net was like around 1996-2000. I could
go on for furlongs. :-(
And I thought that those years was when it began deteriorating...
Market cap, particularly in the case of Tesla, has nothing to do with whether
or not they are a major manufacturer.
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On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Well, the market capitalization of Tesla is 24 Billion, so I would consider
I think that anything that gets people to talk about EVs in our future is a
good thing, whether or not the actual product is currently vaporware.
The iPod was once vaporware.
Whether or not they end up with such an animal, it points the way for people to
look at what the future will/can bring.
Quite fascinating. Looking forward to some interesting data.
Will CO will be looked at? What about data on surface inversions?
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On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Very OT but I thought is might be of general interest. We are measuring
Yes, for that cost I'd agree. But that option was off the table for the OP (who
has now reconsidered). If you are excluding the grid, storage may have more
value than more generation capacity.
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On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I have to disagree.
Ask him on a day where his panels are producing more than he can use what extra
value he is getting from them. Then ask him on a day where he is not getting
enough from the panels how much it would have been worth to have batteries.
If you are taking yourself off grid, not
the grid is out. No
safety problems back powering the grid like that. Or if I need to run the
well pump after a dark time, switch it over to grid.
If it does make sense, look for someone marketing a clean way to do this sort
of thing.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Mark Abramowitz
a dark time, switch it over to grid.
If it does make sense, look for someone marketing a clean way to do this
sort of thing.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I have to disagree.
Ask him on a day where his panels are producing more than he
Burning wood emits *lots* of air pollution, particularly particulate matter,
but also including potent carcinogens, NOx (also a greenhouse gas), CO
(*dangerous* in closed spaces), and more.
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On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I am
On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Remember that the power companies are totally obsessed with money. They don't
give more than lip service to anything except the cost of energy. It might be
coal, or oil, or natural gas, or nuclear, or wind, or solar...
On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
And surely some of that carbon takes years to return to the atmosphere if
not forever and so that can help our short-term problem better by not
burning it (yet)...
The cleanest kilowatt of energy is the kilowatt
On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
A 20-year T-bill right now is only paying about 2.5%, and will take about 28
years to double. Even if it takes 20 years to pay off the battery system, I
still come out ahead with that as opposed to buying T-bills.
I
On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Particulates probably are not anything like the pollen
the trees generate while alive.
Wow. Never heard anyone compare pollen to particulates.
Pollen may cause you to have allergies and impact you for a short period,
Can you give me some references where I might find more information about this
plant, like their permit to operate or PSD permit (this is an attainment area,
right?)?
This sounds kinda like the perpetual motion machine equivalent in the air
quality field, but I'm always open to hearing about
Googled Basin Electric Power Cooperative emissions psd permit north dakota,
but on quick look it's not obvious if there's more than one in North Dakota.
When I get more time...
You wouldn't happen to know the name of your nearby power plant?
More interested in claims of zero NOx, SOx, and PM
What ends up better depends on the use. Efficiency of one type is not the be
all, end all.
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On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
There's nothing sacred about using CO2 for fracking. In fact, water is
typically used now. There
, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Can you give me some references where I might find more information about
this plant, like their permit to operate or PSD permit (this is an
attainment area, right?)?
This sounds kinda like the perpetual motion machine equivalent in the air
quality field
iPhone
On Dec 21, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Bill Dube billd...@killacycle.com wrote:
What about the nasty coal ash that is typically left over when they burn
coal. Great piles/pools of it are stored forever it seems next to coal
fired plants.
Bill D.
On 12/21/2014 4:11 PM, Mark Abramowitz via
I agree that it's silly, but the piece really has nothing to do with EVs or how
they look. These kinds of lists have been around for years, well before there
were *any* production EVs.
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On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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On
On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Honda in
particular sees itself as an engine company. EVs are seen as a threat to
the status quo.
Where can I find that information?
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I agree.
IMHO, best way to address this is to send data demonstrating buyer reasons for
not purchasing an EV. I'm sure there's data out there.
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On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:52 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Now that's just a flat-out cheap shot.
Expect to read lots of other great things from this company from other things
that they're working on.
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On Dec 1, 2014, at 12:17 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
http://www.pe.com/articles/bus-755333-buses-electric.html
RIVERSIDE: Old buses turned into
On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:44 AM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Except for the fact that much of the population lives in Apartments and high
roise building and have neither option.
In California, many apartment dwellers with an assigned parking spot can now
install their own charging
Not unlikely, though it seems to be that since the original RAV-4EV, investment
for the most part has gone into cost reductions rather than range increases.
IIRC, the range of the RAV4-EV was about 120 miles.
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:53 PM, Peri Hartman via EV
if you are not simply a used car buyer like myself. I
won't spend $12K on a car, but I can see the day coming when I might be able
to get a used EV that is worth having.
Maybe I should be looking at Leafs
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote
At some point it may be the petroleum industry in the paid charging
infrastructure side - but now it's not.
Also, at least here in California, most filling stations are NOT owned by the
oil industry. They've mostly divested.
That said, this is where their products get sold, so many of your
Interesting. I wasn't aware that Li-ion batteries were not recycled. But I
think that you *will* see that in the future... If they can make money at it.
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On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote:
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
I agree with what
Fortunately it's been awhile since I had to use rental cars agencies regularly,
but I don't like to rely on them unless I absolutely have to, so can't blame
anyone for not doing this.
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On Nov 23, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
.
On
On Nov 24, 2014, at 12:53 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
be there no-grumbling/dissension after
the update.
Good luck with that one!
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And with parking meters charging, becoming bigger and also taking credit cards,
I see a potential future in the merging of the two.
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV
Complaints about the cost of charging from the general public is already
happening. I heard complaint at a recent conference from some EV owners.
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ben Goren via EV
Hope the market likes it. I really liked the first Coda, and thought that it
could be a great mass market car, at the right price point.
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On Nov 23, 2014, at 8:17 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Thanks for posting that. The previous poster's numbers given say virtually
nothing about the market. The bulk of the charging is, as you point out, at
home. Those not at home were, in great part, publicly subsidized. Neither says
anything about the market.
California sales numbers *do* say
Interesting, while the current charter may have seemed obsolete a few years
ago, changes in technology make it now seem as relevant as ever. I think you
should leave it, though I really like the hobbyist aspect of this list. If your
goal is is that, you ought to make changes to reflect that.
Such as the guy that wanted to incorporate diesel? I don't remember the detail,
but while that turned my own stomach, I am also fascinated by the many ways in
which EV is done by hobbyists.
So while I agree with what are suggesting, it seems that the question is really
about whether it's the
Resending, as it seems that the server ate it.
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Hi Bruce,
I greatly appreciate the news stories you bring, and hope you continue your
good work for a long time to come.
While I disagree with your opinion about fuel cells, I respect your right to
those opinions. But, you ought to
On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:04 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Tesla isn't profitable (yet).
Not correct. They've shown positive earnings the last 2 quarters, which makes
what they've done quite extraordinary in such a short period of time.
You might argue that the cars themselves are
:
Looking at a stock ticker, their trailing twelve month EPS is -$1.35 and they
don't have a PE ratio. I think they are turning the corner, but I wouldn't
generally describe them as profitable yet.
Mike
On November 12, 2014 12:50:02 PM MST, Mark Abramowitz via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote
On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:13 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm having a hard time seeing any good
news for GM's EVs in this news piece.
I do.
I think Mary Barra is demonstrating some real leadership here, and letting the
Resending, as list software held it up. Original To: person has now joined the
list.
David,
I'm cc:ing the EVDL list on this reply to your note below. I would recommend
that you subscribe, and get recommendations there, in addition to what those on
this list may have to offer.
There are a
Admittedly I don't read a lot of traditional media. But I do see a lot of EV-
related media. So I'm puzzled by your reference to lots of anti-EV rhetoric.
Where are you seeing it? I'm not. In fact, I see lots of positive things
everywhere about EVs. I also see people much better informed about
Perhaps in part longer term, you might want to take a look at the technology
assessments prepared by the California Air Resources Board (and, in part, the
South Coast Air Quality Management District).
They look at all vehicle categories. The bottom line is that over time, most if
not all
Careful, the mothership is watching you from space!
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On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:55 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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On 1 Oct 2014 at 11:01, Rick Beebe via EV wrote:
If they're happy with the inspection they'll reactive the car.
Control freaks.
On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I predict the truck owner will notice the PIH. The ICE will be less potent
to compensate for the extra cost of the PI part.
There's certainly precedence for a rapid fleet turnover - all were gasoline,
then there was a
On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:25 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives
Almost, but not quite.
The current incentives to buy a ZEV will remain in place, so there is still an
incentive to buy a ZEV.
The new bill gives some real
I reread my post, and see it wasn't clear. Here it is again, hopefully clearer:
Almost, but not quite.
The current incentives for higher income people to buy a ZEV will remain in
place, so there is still an incentive to buy a ZEV.
The new bill gives some real incentives for low income people
We already do have incentives open to everyone, so not inconsistent with your
view.
Mostly it's not the high income folks that have the clunkers we want off the
roads.
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On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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On 6 Sep 2014 at
On Sep 6, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Call me cynical,
Cynical.
:-)
but based on the results of California's various incentive programs, the
intent seems to be to make the carpool lanes as congested as possible, by
allowing people who can afford the
I wonder how many could have bypassed using a car altogether, and ridden a bike
or taken a bus.
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On Aug 29, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote:
85% of driven trip miles were under 39 miles. Also,
99% of driven trip miles were less than 100 miles
Huge potential to speed fleet turnover to ZEVs, as well as reduce costs.
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On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote:
Huge potential to speed
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On Aug 30, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
Huge potential to speed
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On Aug 30, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
http://grist.org/list/this-california-bill-will-make-electric-cars-way-less-pretentious/
If passed, the bill would phase out the state’s current clean-vehicle rebate
My apologies.
Here's a link:
http://cafcp.org/cafcp_publishes_well--wheels_report
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On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:44 PM, John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com wrote:
On Fri Aug 22 13:13:47 PDT 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
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An HTML
Oddly, the link to the bill referred to includes none of the language being
discussed in some of the articles.
The language only authorizes the state motor vehicles folks to makes
regulations for special plates. It doesn't even requires them to do so.
Arguably it could apply to at least some
On Aug 18, 2014, at 4:34 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Somehow I missed this, but I must respond. Mark's post is a particularly
egregious manipulation of the truth.
Whoa!
On Sun, 8/17/14, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 100+
On Aug 18, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Chris Tromley ctrom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2014, at 4:34 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
In the article I read from the LA Times, there isn't any
Amen.
Sometimes there's a tendency to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, as
the saying goes goes.
Lots of great things happen from the accumulation of lots of good things.
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On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:58 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
On 10
Frankly, I don't bother too much with numbers for folks. I just tell them that
EVs need speed governors to tone down the acceleration. People get the message.
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On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Don't forget another important
Here's another tool.
http://www.viamotors.com/vehicles/quote-request/
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On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:14 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Are you driving the right car for an oil crisis?
On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Oh, and Murphy's law says that every time you are late and have to go 100
miles, the gas in your tank will be near empty and so your GAS car has
range anxiety! You HAVE to find a gas station.
The EV leaves on
Hi Martin,
Nice post. See below.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Hi Mark,
I'll lay my cards on the table and say that I am distinctly anti H2 - *as a
short to medium-term serious contender for the replacement of petrol and
diesel-powered
Worth repeating.
Also, I believe NREL has released charts with the various assumptions, and
results.
You'll find national power mix, CA power mix, H2 from SMR, H2 from renewables,
etc..
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On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Don't presume that all the automakers have similar interests to put themselves
at an advantage over their competitors. And don't forget there are other
interests in there, too.
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On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Dennis Miles via EV
Unless you demand purity, IMO the future (actually being done currently, too)
are hybrid versions of both, depending on application and state of the
technology at that particular time.
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On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Let me ask
I hope no one suggested that the focus of the group be FCEVs. This is one of
my favorite lists, in part due to your great news posts.
But I'm curious about your comment there are billion$ of
dollar$ being spent to kill [EVs].
Where are you seeing this? The last few years I've seen a huge
On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
When FCEVs appear to be on a
similar energy-footprint basis (i.e. energy-viable) as EVs we can revisit
the issue.
How would you define this very specific criteria?
Comparable to those charging on the national average
need to comment, do I?
MW
On 27 Jul 2014, at 13:44, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
% ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? %
[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
% ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? %
[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-CEO-Sez-A-More-Expensive-500mi-EV-could-be-quite-soon-tp4670504.html
EVLN: Tesla CEO
How does the program at Rio Hondo College compare?
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On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:01 AM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Over here, at Electric Vehicle Technical Institute Inc., we are very Pro
EV and also Education Pros at teaching you the technology of Electric
I don't know if your metric is the right one to use, but for the Tesla, I think
that using the 85 kWh battery as a more robust solution is what I would use.
Using your method of calculation, it also compares favorably.
~356 ($94390/265)
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On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:53 AM,
Gee, what a bad article.
Betamax v. VHS is a bad analogy because both roads (so to speak) are going to
be important. It's not a technology war, nor are both technologies
incompatible. They're both electric drive as well as complimentary.
Second, it's probably not accurate to say that Nissan is
Great info I wasn't aware of - explains a lot.
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On Jun 29, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
It appears to me that EVs have not yet been a success in postal delivery. I
can't understand why not. Anyone with other
Must've been mid-90s when I had a little involvement.
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On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:56 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Current USPS mail truck ice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV
The opec.org oil-embargo fuel-shortage
On Jun 26, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Mark,
I asked you to give background for your absolute statement that an
unproven technology is the only solution
I did not, and have never said that. I said:
It is just not feasible to meet clean air
On Jun 26, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Folks,
EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in
Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up.
EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting ...
On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Are you saying that the main problem with battery electrics
is also that most of the power it uses is not renewable?
Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have SOLAR
or sign up for 100%
Thanks.
ITS does lots of interesting stuff.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have
SOLAR or sign up for 100% solar/wind from their utilities.
Very interesting and
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