Bob,
I am with you - PV makes sense with good subsidies. But most people can't
afford it, or do not have the credit to get it. I did it, knowing I could
make more simply investing in a total stock market fund. Without the tax
credits I would not have done it; the payback would have been
RIght my Sunpower array is insured and bonded for complete parts and labor
for 20 years. The Sunpower PV is guaranteed for efficiency. In 20 years
my PV should be still more efficient than any of the lower cost systems are
new. Nothing matches quality manufacture for long use durable goods.
SC are newly manufacturers. SC bought SIlevo and plans a highly automated
facility in Ohio I believe. They may intend to honor a warranty that is
beyond what the current panels should be. But since the mostly own the
panels and the electrons they make for the installations, it is not worth
Tesla have offered another product that is too expensive for half the
population to ever consider. This product will have no noticeable effect.
When SolarCity and others provide financing for people with no
discretionary income or credit, then the residential side could reduce the
need for
Historically, the US markets have gained ~10% a year for 100 years. In
total market index fund is a very good in this context - not PV or
storage. But compared to safe dividend paying stocks it is a good deal,
and you don't want to be all in with the market.
I was happy to put up enough PV to
- but too few people are able to design
properly, because they use old information based on inferior testing.
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:35 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
On 2 May 2015 at 23:00, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Distributed electrical utility is far more efficient
I would say that any chart would be untrustworthy unless it was put
together very recently. Any chart would be possible accurate on some
counts not others. It is rather unfortunate, but true.
Can you be more specific about the specifications you are looking at?
Provide links, etc.
On Sun, May
That looks a lot like the ELF http://organictransit.com/ product of the
company I just started working for. I was previously a beta tester for
them. It is a good design. I have been hired to develop new products, but
I hope I can add to their manufacturing, purchasing and other efforts as
well.
One issue with LFP is the process to apply the LiFePO4 is the conductor
has to take place in a noble atmosphere - as opposed to most of the others
that can simply be done in air that is clean.
I have heard EM say that Ni is the costliest part of Ni containing cells,
even more than CO or Mn
This is how they make it hack proof.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:16 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
'... Anything can be hacked, it just takes time ...'
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/04/28/tesla-opening-car-to-hackers/
Tesla Plans To Open Car Doors To All
I expect this to be a pendulum swing, you can understand the laptop folks
getting nervous after the firestorm about laptops flaming on on the living
room floor - if you don't tamper well. and it is exceedingly likely a
tamper can go wrong given the wild world of Li ion batteries...as a product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNnupxkl2vA
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
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A word of warning then - a scientific paper may not represent what is
actually manufactured, particularly if much time has elapsed. A year or two
out of date I might worry. There is more to it than only the positive
electrode chemistry. Electrolyte chemistry, construction details and so on.
On
Divide 300Wh into 12kWh - only 40 hours in full sun to charge all the way!
They should be at least a little embarrassed proposing such a thing let
alone working on it.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Thomas Brannan via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
But my driveway is aligned north-south and
I think really knowing this about Li ion cells is critical. Anecdotal is
not good enough, being wrong about the electrode chemistry is to be wrong
about critical information. Knowing how to avoid 100% SOC is critical.
A perfectly fine pack can be misused and its life ruined.
On Tue, Apr 21,
-David,
Where were you able to learn these xVolts = y%SOC?
I think you are very right about the max voltage, I don't what numbers are
right for a given version of any cell, but I am certain that 0.2V too high
can really mess things up.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:42 PM, David Rees via EV
BS'ing.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably
overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks
Willie,
What if you put pedal to the metal for a while - like 10 minutes? I heard
they are governed at some point - because of heat. Towing up a mountain
would simply cause the same effect at lower speeds.
I am not sure why this idea - that there is a limit to how much a Tesla can
tow - is
Ben,
It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably
overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all
manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize
radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in
Systems always seek a state of lowest potential; falling drops of water are
round in front and taper back because they can conform to a state of lowest
potential as the move through the air.
This doesn't make it a practical shape necessarily, but it is an ideal
worth considering.
I have been
Car tires want to be circular in cross section - if you pump them hard
enough they will be. The car tire has a flattened cross section because ot
a really thick, shaped side wall, and relatively low pressure. Neither one
a great thing for a high efficiency vehicle.
The whole high efficiency
I have driven to many millions of miles to want to drive a single one
more. But in this backwards country mass transit is very low priority. As
soon as a self driving car is low enough in cost to suit my frugal nature I
will have one.
I can tell you my 83, and 82 year old parents would be all
Thanks Tomw,
That was a nice video. I didn't hear any contradictions. I learned
somethings about cell construction I did not know.
Dahn was lecturing to explain HPC testing, and Whitacre was lecturing to
help people who assemble and manage packs, so they have a little different
slant.
Why is it you think I am making this up? I have no reason to do anything,
but report what has been found using the new testing. I just read the
papers, talked to the people, and watched that video enough to follow it.
Automotive product validation is pretty rigorous.
Apparently, they did it
Hmm, But the problem with these cells seems to be a very short life at
elevated temperatures
Yes, that does seem to have been over looked, and the fact that it is
possible to know more and do better. I am sure we can argue about 3000
cycles not being short. And someone mentioned some 50°C
From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences
Jeff,
I am not sure why performance
The 104 F (40 C) limit applies somewhat equally to all Li-ion chemistries.
The temperature is limited because the electrolyte boils just slightly
above that temperature. Same type of electrolyte in all Li-ion chemistries
thus the same limit.
Hi Bill,
With all due respect this is not the failure
Getting horsepower is not the same as long cycle life.
You know, I am not making this stuff up. Ignore at your own risk.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:42 PM, jerry freedomev via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Hi Paul and All,Since Bill has more
experience
The IBT site shows testing to 500 cycles. This is nothing like what is
possible.
Life Expectancy Minimum ¥ 300 cycles (80% rated capacity) Typical 500
cycles (see graph below)
Please watch the video of the lecture at Waterloo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxP0Cu00sZs
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015
be LiFePO4 (3.3V nom)... They
are LiMn2O4 (LMO). Nice batteries.
Regards,
Stephen
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
I wonder why their website is so skimpy, given they seem to be legit. Do
they actually make the cells in the US, or just assemble
populated places you can't get any wind on them.
A tall tower costs.
Re geothermal, I was talking about making power not delivering space heat.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
A sail is impractical, unmanageable, a very good
A sail is impractical, unmanageable, a very good way to tip over with out
a keel or daggerboard. Please do not try this.
Pedaling adds almost nothing as most of us have a hard time producing
100Watts continuously. Although it is good for you.
You may notice that wind energy is only very high
Lawrence,
1 cycles is possibly doable with any Li ion cell, if you run it right.
That is the rub, could be you only use 40% of the capacity, or only run it
below 30C, or the cycles are really fast. If you pick the right sort of
test you can get a long cycle life. So the question is
be
someone in the vicinity can pay them a visit.
regards
hg
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as,Greenfield .Ind May be
someone in the vicinity can pay them a visit.
regards
hg
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To: Mike mska...@cox.net, Electric Vehicle Discussion List
ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:09:01 AM
Subject: Re
We were talking about this a week or two ago. Lawrence will be plugging
in, but he is optimistic that this can be minimized. I think he is in the
Bay area though, so clouds may be an issue.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19
@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Their contact info shows their location as,Greenfield .Ind May be
someone in the vicinity can pay them a visit.
regards
hg
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Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Mike,
Caveat emptor.
A US company, but I can't see any information on the website that tells me
Mike,
Caveat emptor.
A US company, but I can't see any information on the website that tells me
they have a good cell, modules or packs. It is rather uninformative. I
can't tell if they are more than an outlet for a non-US company.
To me the most important thing to know is what they cells are
An electric yard dog. I like it.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
'Orange-EV,Kalmar-Ottawa partner retrofit T-Series terminal-tractors'
https://3d-car-shows.com/bmw-group-and-scherm-group-launch-pilot-project-in-munich/
BMW Group and SCHERM Group
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Sent: Sat 3/28/2015 10:53 AM
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Yes, the rate of charge is not a problem, it is being fully charged AND too
hot.
https://www.youtube.com
a range that looks like it is about 50-80%.
On March 28, 2015 3:39:15 PM MDT, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Yes. That is pretty much what the best scientists working on it say.
Keeping it from getting too hot (which may not be all that hot, and I
have
not read anything that tells
Yes, the rate of charge is not a problem, it is being fully charged AND too
hot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxP0Cu00sZs
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:06 AM, David Rees via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Well that just
*I was expecting similar or better performance on the Leaf battery.*
As far as I can tell that was an unwarranted assumption.
If anything is true, it is certain that LFP are an outlier in behavior to
the other chemistries that have Li metal oxide positive electrodes. I
heard Jack Rickard claim
I think the main asset of LFP is it takes an extra 100C or so to ignite the
electrolyte. They can burn just not as well as others) LFP has some real
disadvantages too.
It is somewhat more costly to manufacture due to it being necessary to
make the positive electrode in an inert atmosphere.
WIllie2 and I were having a back channel about this topic. Willie was
thinking that LFP had a voltage simnilar to other chemistries. I thought
others might want to see this too.
Here is what the Handbook of Batteries 4th Ed. says. From Table 26.3
Characteristics of Some Positive Electrode
I buy at the last 5 seconds manually even for a $50 amplifier. If you bid
early you just contribute to the auction mentality encouraging others to
think it is more valuable than it is.
This also forces you to really know what the item is worth to you, because
there will be no means to amend the
Does anyone here know if Nissan implemented any technological responses to
the failures in southwestern US? Those that are the subject o af lawsuit?
All I know about is the test results showing deterioration under high temp
and high SOC conditions. Did Nissan make any changes and when?
Mike
Yes, the severe problem is in hot climates. So much of Europe is not going
to see the issue. Though some may. Put a charged Leaf in a garage on a
rock in Greece or Spain, let it heat up good in the summer sun and you will
see some deterioration like in AZ. Unless they have made some
I won't challenge your ideas of Li ion cell life here, but there is new
information. We have gone around that recently on the list.
Why Li ion batteries die. by Dr. Jeff Dahn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxP0Cu00sZs
Dahn says that cells don't have to die, and I believe him.
Rickard (EVTV)
Lawrence,
I think you will be able to work with bicycle tires. There are some very
stout ones and you need strength. Consider:
http://www.amazon.com/Maxxis-Hookworm-Urban-Bike-Tire/dp/B0021G9ZIE
To bad they don't make 24 tires. 24 wheels will be stronger than 26
Pump up the Hookworms to 1i0psi
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
On Mar 24, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
So which is better? 90% efficient
for EVs versus 20% efficient for ICE.
...and that assumes that EVs are forever stuck with getting
I did not see the CO2 output of fossil fuel vehicles included. That would
be a telling ommision since cars are only about 20% efficient.
The coal plants can burn coal pretty cleanly, but from a CO2 point of view
not so good, EVs are far more efficient. So which is better? 90% efficient
for EVs
I don't know how you would determine ahead of time if a Leaf pack has much
capacity remaining. There is a lawsuit out because Nissan did a poor job of
pack design where high temperatures are seen. Some packs in hot climates
have lost half their capacity in less than 2 years. They needed to have
Prototype cells. not production. Musk always tells people with new cells
to send him some so he can test them. No one ever does so, and nothing has
shown up able to best Li ion. So he invests billions in Li ion and the
people who know the most about them, because he has to get on with it.
If I
USPS home delivery delivers far more material in a smaller area than a soda
and chip truck, Every home versus every store.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Mark Abramowitz
OT, please forgive me.
How many Martin Winlow's be there? I just saw a posting on
spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow.
It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on
the interweb.
A hybrid basically, just takes care if idling does it not? The motive
power is all ICE unless it is PiH. I don't mean to sniff at that, but just
saying.
I am in a mostly rural area, but rather dense, and I cannot imagine my
carrier exceed the range of a Leaf for example. Here an EV might work
If it wasn't for the possibly coincidental sunlight, I would say it looks
like an electromechanical voltage regulator in action. A regulator might
go as high as 14 and change, and when it stops charging the battery voltage
shows and is load dependent - not steady.
The change is kind of fast to
I think it is different than you say for Tesla. First off, EM really just
wants to advance EVs. He knows he can make and lose money beyond our
wildest dreams, and he mostly makes money to advance the industries he is
trying to change. If can't be done another way, so he makes money. He has
a
Is that valuation well deserved?
There is a difference between what a business is, and what the market will
pay for shares in it. I am more or less quoting Elon Musk when I say it.
He is well aware that the number of cars they make is nearly
insignificant. And, Tesla can have a bad misstep or
with dispelling a lot of their patents. If automotive engineers
can standardize on the components to fill an ICE vehicle why can't it be
done for the EV?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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On 13 Mar 2015 at 0:46, Michael Ross via EV wrote
Tesla is hardly a major manufacturer, but others qualify. They do think
big though. Maybe someday.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
For both leasing and battery swap to be practical, you don't need to have
all manufacturers adhere to a common
Dave, It sounds like you haven't seen the video of EM demonstrating the
Tesla battery swap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_XEv2f_Uhw
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:44 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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As I see it, the model for successful battery exchange in EVs is the
That feature was designed in by foresight, because it could be. I don't
think EM ever had it in mind as a broadly useful function. I have heard
him pooh pooh it before. The CA legislature forced the issue. If they had
done right they would have simply made Tesla eligible since they were going
Aside from the grousing problem any manufacturer has offering newer
models...
Part of the trouble for Tesla is their long backlog (a lot of development
goes on while you wait). And the other is the high entry cost.
Apple or another tech manufacturer can roll out upgrade after upgrade, but
there
Sunpower now makes some very nice flexible panels. You could get an
airifoil effect from them, and they are very efficient.
However, I don't think it is a useful exercise trying to get lift or ground
effect from solar panels. You don't want lift as it would be less stable
and a poorer road
It is primarily about speed and drag coefficient - not that it is a
motorcycle or a car. An unfaired motorcycle is in the same neighborhood of
drag as a blocky car. I had a BMW R75/5 and it got maybe 45mpg, maybe 50
mpg. Considering the difference in weight, rolling resistance, the car is
I worked for Eaton Corp in the 90's and they had a system for trucks called
VORAD that does much of what the Tesla does in the way of not hitting
things out front. What didn't exist then was GPS; and the cost and size of
the computers was large. Is is not as if Tesla started with a fresh idea
of
Actually, Dahn has been doing battery research since the 1970's.
You must have misunderstood something.
So, given that Dahn never says anode or cathode, ever. The Wiki definition
is ambiguous at best - is a battery a power producer or consumer? I am not
going to refer to the side that is
I honestly am not qualified to parse the linguistics of this. I will note
that the definitions I used, never talked about electrons in regard to the
electrodes; it talks about cation and anions. Not the same thing. THe
definitions of cathode and anode are related to cations and anions -
tomw,
I got this from WIKI on Cathode. Cathode polarity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_polarity with respect to the anode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anode can be positive or negative; it
depends on how the device operates. Although positively charged cations
Bill,
I think the issue is too fast a charge, for the temperature, and cell
composition. Which is to say, for a given cell, we have little information
worth paying attention to, that would be informative.
I think the whole industry suffers from a lack of understanding due to
inadequate testing
There is nothing new here. The Japanese have always been less prudish than
Americans. I remember walking through department stores sort of like an
old Woolworths in outer Tokyo In about 1998 and turned a corner in the back
where fellow had a small shop selling all sort of porn comics and ...well
Christopher,
This is going to be different for every anode chemistry and electrolyte
package. Now that reliable shorter time interval testing is possible, we
may start to see better information like you are asking for. I think you
are stuck with being careful and not really knowing. Heat your
Discharging pulls lithium off of the cathode side SEI (solid electrolyte
interface) if it has been plated there, but according to the
electrochemists other bad stuff goes on so the capacity lost to plating the
cathode is not reversible even if the plating itself is reversible.
I wish I understood
Dave,
You can charge when it is cold, you just can't do it as fast. Or you have
to put some heat to the pack - which apparently is not a new idea to many.
The typical routine - come from work, hook it up so it is ready in the AM,
is likely to be slow enough. But, we now know that we don't
I have seen some of the research on this - if you charge slowly you can
avoid any plating. The issue is the electrolyte becomes vicious and the
ions pile up on the SEI outside the cathode. What I saw said the problem
was at -20C (-4F). But, I am not sure exactly what the cell construction
was,
Lawrence,
For practicalities sake, I think 77ft^2 (7m^2) is a hard sell for getting
much travel done. Just roughing it out, (and a person can take some
exception with any of these) a meter squared is good for maybe 1000W of
incoming sun. For maybe 8 hours a sunny day and less over a year - call
Lawrence,
This fellow, Jehu Garcia in SoCal, bought an enormous number of laptop
cells on eBay and put them together in a pack for his VW bus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4hhMQh3SzM
There are videos chronicling all the gory details. I am sure you could
talk to him about that experience,
Pool heating does indeed work - because the system does not have to meet
the same requirements. It is not a sanitary system and there is no need to
protect from backfeeding the potable water supply of the municipality. The
equipment - all of it, is significantly less expensive. The customers
If you don't want to make anything off the scrapping you will have no
trouble finding someone with a truck to haul it off. A craigslist add with
the word free car ought to take care of it.
It has been years, but I had a couple scratch and dents that I called a
local guy who would trade a 50
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A few years now, my business at NC State has been to test solar thermal
collectors
A few years now, my business at NC State has been to test solar thermal
collectors for certification. We also offer installation training and
other CE classes for the industry: wind, PV, etc.
To summarize, I don't there is much future for residential solar thermal.
It is easy and efficient to
Solar panels on my roof reduce my heating load a significant amount. Good
design of homes and home sites make a difference. Part of solarization
will be automatic attention to such things.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
The more I think about
The insolation on the average single-family home's roof at today's
efficiency is virtually always some multiple, generally some very
significant multiple, of the home's electricity use.
I do solar thermal testing. You can use 1000W/m^2 as a useful number for
estimation. I have seen 1300W/m^2 on
I don't have that much unshaded roof either, but it is still worth having
the PV.
I have a useful PV array at my home but I need a good bit more to power
automobiles. However, I don't care if the utilities start using major PV
and putting it on the grid. To me the grid is a good thing. I am
You are quite right Robert. Presently, the grid is a better deal than
storage. How much PV is worth is another item entirely.
At my home, I have used the best possible location for PV. Trees have to
come down (and not all of them mine) to get good sun.
Tax credits have to be available AND I
I can imagine - if the utilities make grid connections to solar a bad idea,
ten I divide my house into two systems. On that is grid tied and running
for example, the refrigerator and lights. Take other things off grid - the
garage, well pump, water heater, future car charging, the mostly unused
No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the
grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't
make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or something.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com
not suggesting any
connection between them. Just moving appliances around as needed. It is
functionally no different than having things run on a generator.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
Yes, my initial contract is net metering. $0.09 each direction. They want
to pay less for what they receive - that is what they proposed this fall to
the utility commission. They can change up on me as long as they got
through channels.
They have another interesting trick. If I bank some
Hi Ben,
What SRPs CEO knows and you will find out is you are diving into a rabbit
hole. It is not a rational world down there, yet.
I will just talk about batteries.
It is important to know what your present and future power needs are. For
instance, I just has a six week period this past July
Be sure not to leave it for long, or use it fully charged in a hot
location. Sorry I don't know how hot is too hot, or how charged is too
charged. But it is a rule to try and live by with a Leaf.
If you can check the capacity of the pack before committing to buy that
would be good.
If it was
I am with you Bob. As aggravating as it dealing with a utility company,
and as attractive as it is to be free of them, it is rarely a good
financial decision to drop use of an available grid. For as along as they
can, utilities will be pricing there service to discourage us from going
off grid..
In Thailand they can bury it, but in the US we are lucky to have some
oversight with health in mind. Almost anything you pull up out of the
crust and use, ends up creating a waste stream of metallic crude. Even
geothermal has a problem with arsenic. So what you get when you make coal
ash is a
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Lots of discussion and good points since I last checked in yesterday.
Thanks, everybody! I'll try to hit all the high points in this single note.
On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com
I have a very good stove. After the start up phase, you would not know I
have wood heat. Particulates probably are not anything like the pollen
the trees generate while alive. I do have a bushel of ash a year,
approximately. That gets mixed safely into the ecosystem.
There is nothing fishy
You are quite correct Mark, but Lee is too, at least where Duke Progress is
concerned. You can feel well cared for if you are DP shareholder, or the
resident of a tony office in their pretty skyscraper. The regulators are
pretty easily influenced here in the DP territory.
I would take issue
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