Re: [EVDL] Combating ICED EV parking spaces

2017-12-14 Thread paul dove via EV
I say put 120v outlets in every spot and let people park where they want. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Correct, > Green means "available" so you would instinctively expect an empty spot > at a green light. > I would suggest a slight ch

Re: [EVDL] Employer charging stations el cheapo 120vac outlets work fine

2017-12-14 Thread paul dove via EV
Additionally. in the the town where I live the Government installed Chargers are free but you have to pay for parking at a parking meter so you can't leave it more than 2 hours without plugging the meter. From: Mark Hanson via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Mark Hanson Sent: Thursd

Re: [EVDL] DC controller common terminal

2017-12-17 Thread paul dove via EV
With these controllers, it is essential that the field be reversed and that the armature be connected directly to the controller’s B+ and A2 terminals, because the plug diode inside is connected to these terminals. Some vehicles, especially those previously using older, resistor-type controllers

Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

2017-12-28 Thread paul dove via EV
From what I read it weighed over 3000 lbs. That is not light weight. My celica weighed 2900 lbs after I converted it. It did have a 26kwh battery so that’s 30% more than mine. They must have done something else to get the efficiency to go 200 miles on a charge. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28

Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

2017-12-28 Thread paul dove via EV
The batteries are part of the car since it won't go without them.. so 2300 lbs? That's pretty light but not enough to go 217 miles on a charge. 26KWh / 217 = 120Wh/m  They had to have done something else. From: Lee Hart via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lee Hart

Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

2017-12-31 Thread paul dove via EV
Solar Freaking Roadways! https://youtu.be/qlTA3rnpgzU From: Haudy Kazemi via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Haudy Kazemi Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation How about we put solar cells on the road surface and eithe

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2017-12-31 Thread paul dove via EV
just like water. if consumption  starts to reach production then they raise prices during peak and/or make rules to only charge during non-peak hours.  this can also be mitigated by having battery backups on houses that are charged during off-peak hours. From: Peri Hartman via EV To: E

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread paul dove via EV
What city do you live in? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > " Our City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity > increased to handle the loads." > > You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the grid by not > recogni

Re: [EVDL] No, electric cars (still) aren't crashing the grid. Again: Good News: EVs Are Not ...

2018-01-04 Thread paul dove via EV
It gets dark this time of year before 5 pm and they delivered packages to my house up to 9 PM during the holidays. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > You are implying that shipping docks will be manned all night long in this > scenario. Or that re

Re: [EVDL] No, electric cars (still) aren't crashing the grid. Again: Good News: EVs Are Not ...

2018-01-04 Thread paul dove via EV
Use recycled EV batteries for grid storage Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > I disagree on the batteries are "there." I doubt we can store the "energy > of man" in batteries. And currently we are no where near close to that. > It is too much, a

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

2018-01-04 Thread paul dove via EV
You are also leaving out the energy necessary to refine the gasoline. An electric car can go 20 miles on the energy it take to make gasoline Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Ken Olum via EV wrote: > > From: Robert Bruninga > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:52:46 -0500 > > i

Re: [EVDL] No, electric cars (still) aren't crashing the grid. Again: Good News: EVs Are Not ...

2018-01-05 Thread paul dove via EV
https://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/cobalt/mcs-2017-cobal.pdf Doesn’t sound like there is a problem to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > You don't have to look very far to get a grip on the supply difficulties > that are here a

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: Self diming street lights

2018-01-07 Thread paul dove via EV
The lights are to stop crime or they were originally Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > As Day becomes the new night for cheap electricity and night will become > the most expensive, here is a brilliant idea in Norway. > > Have the lights dim

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: Self diming street lights

2018-01-07 Thread paul dove via EV
t; > >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 4:43 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> The lights are to stop crime or they were originally >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV >> wrote: >>> &

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: Self diming street lights

2018-01-08 Thread paul dove via EV
ote: > > paul dove via EV wrote: >> https://www.crimesolutions.gov/PracticeDetails.aspx?ID=38 > > That's a good start. But the studies it references assume the lights are on > continuously, all night. > > It's not obvious what effect lights that detect people and

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Final GOP Tax Bill Retains Tax Credits for Wind Energy, Electric Cars

2018-01-08 Thread paul dove via EV
I tend to side with Elon on this issue. Tax credits are bad for everyone. They create a false market that collapses when the incentive is removed. Free market system works better on its own. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2018, at 11:14 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://reason.com/

Re: [EVDL] Another recommendation for a drive way protection circuit....

2018-01-10 Thread paul dove via EV
The lock is to prevent arching when you disconnect Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2018, at 10:42 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > I have never understood why the NEC _requires_ an EV charging plug be > "locking". > It makes no sense. > > If you drive away (or the vehicle somehow rolls, is to

Re: [EVDL] Clarification: Leaf battery warranty.

2018-01-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Under the new warranty, Nissan will repair or replace a Leaf's battery within five years or 60,000 miles if it loses more than 30 percent of its charge capacity. ... The new warranty is the second for the Leaf's batteries; the first covers defects and flaws for up to eight years or 100,000 miles

Re: [EVDL] Any Government Employee charging under the FAST act?

2018-01-28 Thread paul dove via EV
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/uploads/publication/federal_wpc_case_study.pdf There’s a table of agencies in this document Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > Does anyone know of any agency that has implemented the Federal FAST act > which enr

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM sez their EVs will be profitable by 2021

2018-02-05 Thread paul dove via EV
She’s been CEO since Jan 2014 she was elected chairman of the board in 2016 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > The GM CEO is now a woman so management should be different and greatly > improved. > >> On 2/4/2018 8:16 PM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Need help with Series Wound Dc motor controller.

2018-02-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Looks a whole lot like a Curtis Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Marco Gaxiola via EV wrote: > > You can learn from this guy who designed his own controller some time ago, > now he runs his own brand a some great products: > http://zeva.com.au/Research/ControllerDesign/ > > B

Re: [EVDL] Silicon Mobility and 30% Efficiency Increase

2018-03-21 Thread paul dove via EV
Robert, I wouldn't call the comments negative myself more like skeptical. This paper makes no such efficiency claims nor does it address any of the comments that were made IMO.  From: ROBERT via EV To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" Cc: ROBERT Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:15 PM Subject:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV packs optimized 4longevity, Phone Batteries 4co$t

2018-04-09 Thread paul dove via EV
That’s not how FedEx tells the story. Apparently they experiment with all sorts of new technologies. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094920_fedex-tests-wrightspeed-electric-trucks-with-diesel-turbine-range-extender Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: No promised Bolt EV production increase> kr/ca/eu deliveries

2018-04-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla doesn't have to lease them they sell as fast as they make them. From: brucedp5 via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: brucedp5 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:31 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: No promised Bolt EV production increase> kr/ca/eu deliveries https://electrek.co/2018/0

Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion

2018-04-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I would start by asking Manzanita Micro they make quite a few different chargers you didn't say which one you have. From: John Lussmyer via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: John Lussmyer Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:40 PM Subject: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a con

Re: [EVDL] Fires in hybrid vehicles.

2018-04-18 Thread paul dove via EV
 A Li Ion battery goes into thermal runaway and the only way to douse it is to take away the heat. It supplies it's own oxygen to the fire (at least in the case of LiCoO2). There are hundreds of videos on you tube of people puncturing these cells or the li Pol cells and they immediately go up in

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Should You Buy a Used Electric Vehicle?

2018-04-19 Thread paul dove via EV
In reality, the driver of EV's was the Lithium Ion Battery not Nissan or BMW or anyone else. Conversions went way up as soon as we could get these batteries. It made EV's useful to the average person. From: Len Moskowitz via EV To: EVDL Cc: Len Moskowitz Sent: Thursday, April 19,

Re: [EVDL] John Wayland on Netflix?

2018-04-26 Thread paul dove via EV
Fastest Car | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix | | | | || | | | || Fastest Car | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix In each hour-long episode, three souped-up “sleeper” cars, tinkered with and lovingly labored on, go head-to-hea... | | | | Episode 7 someone

Re: [EVDL] Weird DC-DC problem

2018-04-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Many times the dc to dc advertises peak current. Check the spec. It may do 50 amp peak but on 30 amp continuous. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2018, at 9:44 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > I have my F-250 back on the road after some (long drawn out, time wasted) > repairs to a motor te

Re: [EVDL] Charging station density

2018-05-01 Thread paul dove via EV
Nice gesture? Really! Let's see.. how many charging stations has any other car manufacturer installed?I think Nissan and BMW funded some EVGO sites but they charge to use theirs. headlines: GM suggests Congress fund EV charging, Toyota asks for hydrogen fueling support GM Won't Fund CCS F

Re: [EVDL] Lead carbon batteries.

2018-05-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Has anyone used Lead Carbon batteries? I don't believe you need a BMS at least. From: Robert Bruninga via EV To: primobass...@sbcglobal.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org Cc: Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lead car

Re: [EVDL] Lithium drop in replacements.

2018-05-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Do you have any evidence of these batteries failing because of out of balance conditions or is that speculation Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2018, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 9 May 2018 at 21:21, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: >> >> wait a couple weeks as totall

Re: [EVDL] Lithium drop in replacements.

2018-05-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Thanks that was interesting. It’s more likely that the Dakota BMS was causing the imbalance with parasitic unbalanced loads, however. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2018, at 11:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 10 May 2018 at 6:35, paul dove via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] Lithium drop in replacements.

2018-05-11 Thread paul dove via EV
ence of this or is it speculation? > > (Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.) > > Bill D > > >> On 5/11/2018 12:47 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: >> Thanks that was interesting. It’s more likely that the Dakota BMS was >> causing the imbalance with parasit

Re: [EVDL] Sparrow alternate?

2018-05-13 Thread paul dove via EV
Ampere Motor USA fully electric roadster supposed to start production this year. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2018, at 10:47 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > Anyone heard of this before? I have trouble believing that it's a real > vehicle that's been developed in total secrecy, AND tha

Re: [EVDL] Lithium drop in replacements.

2018-05-14 Thread paul dove via EV
Hey thanks for your input. I’m sure a lot of people have varied experiences. I must’ve met there probably differences between manufacturers. However that was not my experience. I bought Bestgo sales hundred amp hour. I did extensive testing before installing them in a vehicle. I put 40 for 100 a

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Tesla's Elon Musk and Fiat's Sergio Marchionne Have a Lot in Common

2018-05-31 Thread paul dove via EV
There is a vast difference in the Model 3 and the Fiat 500e. They aren’t even in the same category. What he said was he can’t sell the Fiat even loosing $14000 a vehicle. The Tesla’s sell before they are made Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Len Moskowitz via EV wrote: > > h

Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

2018-07-26 Thread paul dove via EV
Matt, I believe this is the point the author was trying to make. Increased efficiency will offset EVs. Click the link for current numbers. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=32212 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Matt Awesome via EV wrote: >> Remember this factoi

Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

2018-07-27 Thread paul dove via EV
I doubt that is true. I installed an electric tankless water heater and they work great. I didn’t analyze my bill or anything like that but the best thing is you never run out of hot water. Tanks are limited Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > >>

Re: [EVDL] Advice on CAM72Fi vs. leaf cells

2018-07-28 Thread paul dove via EV
Leaf cells are not LFP and have a different voltage. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, ken via EV wrote: > > I have a scooter that runs 24 cells LFP . I'm looking to do and extra add > on pack to extend my range. I could lower the volt on the pack to 65 -/+ > and work just fin

Re: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

2018-07-30 Thread paul dove via EV
I for do not think we need government involvement. Private enterprise will eventually fill the gaps. There's no money in it yet but there will be. From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" Cc: Lawrence Rhodes Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:10 AM Subject: [EVDL] Chademo st

Re: [EVDL] BMS by Battery Manufacturers

2018-07-31 Thread paul dove via EV
This is the one they sell with Bestgo batteries but I didn't buy it. http://www.ligoo.cn/en/about.asp?class_id=20071001 From: bvgandhi via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: bvgandhi Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:12 AM Subject: [EVDL] BMS by Battery Manufacturers Hi, Does anyone here h

Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread paul dove via EV
You are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait the rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I am not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax credit. He says it hurts his sales and I agree. Sent from my iPho

Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla started in 2003 well before Bushes action in 2008. It was going to happen even without the government. The government just impeded real progress by creating a false economy. Remember Bush was the one who brought us $100,000 rebate if you buy a Humvee 5 years before the $7500 EV credit.

Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread paul dove via EV
That is what I said. From: Lawrence Rhodes To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two

Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Wow! That was my point. These are compliance cars and not very good cars at that. They were forced top make them and wouldn't have sold hardly any without the incentive. Heck, Nissan admitted that their highest selling city was Atlanta. Georgia had a $5000 tax credit on top of the $7500. As soo

Re: [EVDL] George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

2018-08-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Well, the first version of this was back in the 90's when they had their Zero Emissions law in some western states.The Altra was produced between 1998 and 2002. When they repealed the law they quit making the cars. Same with all the other manufacturers. So, while they began making electric cars

Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

2018-08-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Any electrical system can burn up. All you need it to short the battery if there is no fuse or you bypass the fuse then the wire becomes the fuse and can easily catch plastic on fire Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> http

Re: [EVDL] Current INSIDEEV's newsletter

2018-09-07 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread paul dove via EV
I know Tesla had problems with there gear box early on but I have heard of no battery issues. And since when is a bolt a lot less than a Tesla? My Tesla was 41000 that’s right in there with a bolt aren’t they ~37000? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Oh yea, his premise is wrong as well. A large format cell is made up of many smaller cells in parallel. I opened a 100 Ah cell and it had 10 - 10Ah cells paralleled inside with no fuse between them: so if you loose one you loose them all. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2018, at 6:24 AM, Willie

Re: [EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

2018-09-10 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I don’t see why not. Cut them open separate the copper foil from the aluminum and recycle them normally. You could just leave the graphene and lithium slurry on there. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2018, at 4:16 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > I agree with Marco. > > To my knowledge, s

Re: [EVDL] Large vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-10 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Where do you live I already drive a model three. It has different cells than the model s Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2018, at 8:04 PM, mark hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi Willie etc, > > > > It's hard to find actual published Tesla battery failure numbers since Tesla > sends internal field s

Re: [EVDL] decreasing pack voltage

2018-09-14 Thread paul dove via EV
In addition a 70Ah battery should do 145 amps continuous with no problem. You might want to check the peak currents when accelerating Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Damon Henry via EV wrote: > > Ummm, actually you failed to ask a question... > > The principle behind what

Re: [EVDL] Zilla 1k-lv M+ wiring

2018-09-15 Thread paul dove via EV
The easiest is to run a new cable! Long runs don’t matter it the wire gauge is right! 00 gauge should be enough. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV > wrote: > > Continuing my plea for help, and seeing that the Zilla is a high-side switch, > which o

Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?

2018-09-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Probably has a salvage title and Tesla wants 10,000 to get it back to none salvage state. Far as I can tell all Tesla did was bar them from Superchargers. I don’t see why it L1 charger wouldn’t work nor is there any reason he couldn’t use a L2 charger like everyone else who doesn’t own a Tesla a

Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?

2018-09-22 Thread paul dove via EV
ance, kWh added etc. > The latter case is less concerning. For the most part, aged batteries > perform less well than when new. > > > >> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 10:26 paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> Probably has a salvage title and Tesla wants 10,000 to get it b

Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?

2018-09-23 Thread paul dove via EV
My mistake! I know you can purchase a cademo adapter for Tesla so my point is the same. I didn’t hear in the video that they disabled the vehicle all they did was cut him off from supercharging. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Roger Stockton via EV wrote: > > paul dove wrot

Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?

2018-09-25 Thread paul dove via EV
There are many options to charge as all us non-Tesla owners can attest to! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 25, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: > > > > > My mistake! I know you can purchase a cademo adapter for Tesla so my point is > the same. I didn?t hear in the video tha

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: popularmechanics.com reviews $64k Tesla-3p EV

2018-10-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
My model 3 was only $46,000 I wonder where he,s getting his information Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:46 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a23085684/review-tesla-model-3-performance/ > My 72 Hours With the Tesla Model 3 Perfor

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: popularmechanics.com reviews $64k Tesla-3p EV

2018-10-07 Thread paul dove via EV
; On 6 Oct 2018 at 7:04, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> >> My model 3 was only $46,000 I wonder where he,s getting his information > > Is yours the "performance edition"? That seems to be what he was testing. > > He mentions that the cheapest currently available

Re: [EVDL] Big Batteries in 1957

2018-10-07 Thread paul dove via EV
We use them now at NASA. The SLS rocket has silver zinc cells for the Booster Avionics as well as the Core stage Avionics. The rocket is one time use, they don’t recover it so cycle life is irrelevant. It’s hard to get them past safety hazards with lithium. Although they are using a small one on

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: popularmechanics.com reviews $64k Tesla-3p EV

2018-10-08 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Don’t kid yourself lots of cars already have many of the features. GPS tracking, drive recorders, remote shutoff etc. As far as fixing salvaged vehicles well, it’s slightly different than a gasoline vehicle in determining if it’s safe for the road. It’s understandable that they would want to in

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla

2018-10-08 Thread paul dove via EV
I don’t think your fears are based on any real data. The prismatic cells used in other cars have just as many points of failure they are just packaged differently. I cut open batteries and they contain layers of cells all connected in parallel. It’s the same thing except the cells aren’t fused l

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla

2018-10-11 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It’s called sarcasm! Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:38 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 9 Oct 2018 at 0:28, Rod Hower via EV wrote: >> >> You probably shouldn't use microcontrollers because they have millions >> of transistors with the potential of failure, better st

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-14 Thread paul dove via EV
I don’t know where you get this kind of thinking. They are not high priced cars. Mine was $46,000. A Toyota Highlander is $42,000 and a Subaru Ascent is $46,000. If you get a comparable car you will pay about the same. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 8:45 AM, mark hanson via EV wrote

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla is competing with Mercedes and BMW not Toyota. US BMW 3 & 4 Series Sales Roll Down Hill | CleanTechnica | | | | || | | | | | US BMW 3 & 4 Series Sales Roll Down Hill | CleanTechnica Cover your eyes if you don't want to see something nasty. Following this sente

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
high priced for the average buyer of a new car. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Willie via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Willie" Sent: 14-Oct-18 6:19:40 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu > > >On 10/14/2018 04:3

Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
They list them as new.https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/ms From: Charles Galpin via EV To: - - ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Charles Galpin ; Lawrence Rhodes Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III Do you still get the $7,500

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-16 Thread Paul Dove via EV
breaks that mark he will expand to make cheaper options. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 15, 2018, at 11:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 15 Oct 2018 at 15:05, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> Tesla is competing with Mercedes and BMW not Toyota. > >

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Oct 2018 at 6:35, Paul Dove via EV wrote: > >> A car manufacturer doesn't make a profit till the production line is >> paid for. > > Of course, but Tesla's declared intent from the start was to make enough > money on the luxury models (X and S) that they could affo

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-17 Thread paul dove via EV
The base price is still $35,000. They just won’t sell them without the options yet. the long range battery $9,000 and the premium package $5,000 = $49,000. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Ok, so maybe they failed in that goal - to provide a car

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-17 Thread paul dove via EV
_1/4 MILLION vehicles, all connected to the > mothershipMaybe you are incorrect.Maybe ___Maybe some of us, almost every > one, just wants a turnkey vehicle, that just works > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only

2018-10-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I read that Azure was mismanaged. Managers taking lavish trips and trying to expand into Europe. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:41 AM, AL SWACKHAMMER via EV wrote: > > One can only hope that StreetScooter doesn't meet the same demise as Azure > Dynamics did for getting involved w

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-17 Thread paul dove via EV
My car says I can supercharge for 8 and change it’s less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2018 04:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >> My understanding is that the cost to use the su

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-18 Thread paul dove via EV
It is probably regional. This was for the supercharger near my house. According to what I read Tesla charges whatever the local rate is for electricity. Around here it is .10 a kilowatt hr. It may be more in other locations based on utility rates. I looked again and sent a picture my car says $8

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Mid range battery model 3 now available https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?#payment Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > Mark, I agree 100%. Twenty years ago when I was doing "show and tell" with my > Citicars and conversions I could only dream that a

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-20 Thread paul dove via EV
I can’t answer to that since I never used a Supercharger but my assumption was that this number ($8.10 see photo) was the price to full. Tesla says they do not profit on the electricity. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2018 10:02 P

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars (charging while parked)

2018-10-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Last time I checked the midrange model 3 was available for order Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: > > My wife and I are on the waiting list for a 220 mile range Model 3. We > don't need the 310 mile range or the high performance. > > When we travel

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another government bailout. https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt Sent from my iPad > On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-2

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread paul dove via EV
money for 10 years, but > is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and > have been investing in both types of EVs. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >>

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread paul dove via EV
but > is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and > have been investing in both types of EVs. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> >> Of course

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-27 Thread paul dove via EV
r 10 years, >>> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, >>> and have been investing in both types of EVs. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 26

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes, but I'm not at home now. When I get back to town I'll share my data Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > One last question and then I prefer not to extend this subject any longer > since it appears beaten to death: > > > > Paul and

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge"

2015-06-23 Thread Paul Dove via EV
There is not an electric field inside a battery. The electrolyte cause the field to be in equilibrium otherwise it would immediately discharge. The field is present when the terminals are connected and that is why you get ion movement. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 22, 2015, at 10:33 PM, Lee Har

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Why charge cars? They should do this anyway to run the lights From: brucedp5 via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:46 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v) http://www.autoevolution.com/news/can-you-charge-a-tesla-mod

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge"

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Discussion List ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" Hi Paul and All, From: Paul Dove via EV To: Lee Hart ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:04 AM S

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge"

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Oh, yea, sorry I don't know why I was thinking magneticfield. At any rate the rest of what I said is accurate I believe.There is no electric field in a battery. A battery is a chemical reactor. The reaction is called red-ox reactions. In the battery is electrolyte which can conduct ions but not

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge"

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
n the opposite direction) and some discharge to happen? Peri -- Original Message ------ From: "paul dove via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 23-Jun-15 1:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" > > >Oh, yea, sorry I don

Re: [EVDL] Lee Hart Zener Regulator for Calb cells

2015-06-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
If you have a bike with no BMS and you are monitoring the cells that should be all the data you need to decide if a BMS is necessary. Not what others tell you. What are you observations of the cells Sent from my iPad > On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:29 PM, damon henry via EV wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge"

2015-06-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
A battery is chemical not electrical Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Roger Stockton via EV wrote: >> I think that it is possible that people are confusing *theoretical* cell >> chemistry with that of *practical* cells. > > I think that is exactly t

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $27k Chevy Spark EV price cut to encourage sales

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The I-MiEV is $22 thousand something. I don't know who writes this garbage Sent from my iPad > On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:01 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/13881 > Test Drive: Price cut for Chevy's electric car spar

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Here's my observation I received my cells and new the measured 3.3 volts. 16 months later when I put then in the vehicle they measured 3.298 and 3.297. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > One last question and then I prefer not to extend this

Re: [EVDL] Good data or bad? How do you know? Or is it the interpretation?

2015-06-27 Thread Paul Dove via EV
https://www.youtube.com/user/jlghardy/videos John Hardy's YouTube channel is extremely interesting (here) he test some of the theories out there about li ion batteries and the effect of a BMS. In the video "battery test 2" he demonstrates that a cell balancer actually damages the cells. Sen

Re: [EVDL] Good data or bad? How do you know? Or is it the interpretation?

2015-06-27 Thread Paul Dove via EV
t;> via > EV >> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:30 PM >> To: Paul Dove; Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good data or bad? How do you know? Or is it the > interpretation? >> >> He proved that putting parasitic loads on some cells in a seri

Re: [EVDL] Good data or bad? How do you know? Or is it the interpretation?

2015-06-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
There were no parasitic loads on any particular cells. They were powered by the whole string in Hardys test. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:34 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 27 Jun 2015 at 15:29, Peter Gabrielsson via EV wrote: >> >> He proved that putting paras

Re: [EVDL] Good data or bad? How do you know? Or is it the interpretation?

2015-06-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
;I'm wondering, are you so certain of your "anecdotal evidence" that you > would be willing to pay for burned cars, garages, and perhaps homes of the > folks that choose to follow your advice? Be careful what you wish for. > > Bill D. > >> On 6/28/2015 6:25 AM

Re: [EVDL] Level 3 Charging for conversions?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I know EVTV has done it but not sure if they sell a kit yet. They have a CAN board and software for sure Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2015, at 11:33 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > Does anyone know of a Level 3 charge adapter kit for conversions? > The control/communication electronics

Re: [EVDL] Level 3 Charging for conversions?

2015-07-08 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Level 3 Charging for conversions?

2015-07-08 Thread paul dove via EV
http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/product/show/97-new-chademo-tm-compatible-charge-controller-for-emotorwerks-dc-chargers   That was weird. The forum dropped the link for some reason. From: paul dove via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015

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