Re: Climate models

2014-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
cost the average person. My power and energy bills have become unbearable. Medical cost, prohibitive. Food e.g. bacon almost tripled in price since 2008. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 April 2014 14:02, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
- for example water quality, rates of mutation, sperm count, disease and parasite statistics and many other metrics I have missed. Chris *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:18 AM

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
and many other metrics I have missed. Chris *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:18 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Climate models Dear Friends

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2014 05:18, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Friends, Is there a single objective definition of damage to the environment? Given the complexity of the environment, I very much doubt it. There are some proxies for it, of course, e.g. rate

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Liz, Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality? On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:03 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2014 12:45, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Chris, Given

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This article is packed full of falsehoods that a simple bit of research could correct. read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale As to its main point, all predictions are based on models. Models are never the real thing. Duh! So some expert has a wrong model. Big News! LOL. What is the point

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
All of those different versions of you have slightly different quantum states, or else they would be exactly this you and not a different version. There is no contradiction. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:55:47 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: According to MWI I am not unique for there are many versions

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
be recoverable What have you been reading? *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 3:33 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Climate models Hey Chris

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon enough we will be syphoning hydrogen off Jupiter. Why

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
at 9:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
maybe someday with some technology will it all may be recoverable What have you been reading? *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.comeverything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 3:33 PM

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
ones that I built for myself. The data is hard to get... On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This data is interesting: http://www.indeed.com/salary/Green-Growth-Ventures-LLC.html On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny of planet earth that these hypothetical future technologies will become realized in time

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Russel and Kim, I remember fondly when the translation of Bruno's thesis was being discussed. I am very happy to see the results of your hard work. Thank you for doing this! I will be buying a copy of it asap. :-) On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:43:05 AM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: Hi

A nice semi-formal discussion that includes an example of a computational space

2014-02-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
forms of reprogramming, or reconfiguring, the propagation of information for multipartite statistics and in quantum field theory. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen Paul King
:26, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear LizR, You and Bruno have often complained that my postings lack rigor... For a nice formal representation of Heraclitean streams click herehttp://books.google.com/books?id=vurIJEFut8QCpg=PA55lpg=PA55dq=jon+barwise+streams+hypersetssource=blots=eYJKhMJR1

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2014, at 01:36, Stephen Paul King wrote: Like I have written previously, I am past the point of buying the idea that there is a Reality out there independent of us that we passively come to experience. I am tired of explanations that ask us to believe that change

Kevin Knuth's emergent spacetime

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen Paul King
, a nice alternative to the block universe concept. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Also see: http://files.meetup.com/1819750/%2313%20-%20Ian%20Stewart%20-%20Figments%20of%20Reality.pdf On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Folks, I agree with John's most resent remark and his recommendation of the books. Here

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
=ensa=Xei=Y4rlUu2tCIW-sQSf74HYBwved=0CGMQ6AEwBw#v=onepageq=jon%20barwise%20streams%20hypersetsf=false and read the bit about hypersets. BTW, this is a concept almost identical to what Lou Kauffman uses in his notion of eigenforms. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Folks, I agree with John's most resent remark and his recommendation of the books. Here is a nice review of Collapse of Chaos: http://www.thenewhumanities.net/books/Book%20Reviews44.html On Sun, Jan 26, 2014

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
out that there is no a priori order of the holes, it is a subjective delusion that we obtain because of our inability to see the whole lot. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 January 2014 11:20, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: 'Because

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, Keep going! Don't stop there, hear out the fellow's definition and think about it. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 January 2014 11:26, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, You and Bruno have often complained

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
passively come to experience. I am tired of explanations that ask us to believe that change is an illusion that somehow persists. Can we try a different set of concepts? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 January 2014 12:48, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 January 2014 12:49, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Keep going! Don't stop there, hear out the fellow's definition and think about it. It's far too complicated for my little brain. You must have

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, I will let Kevin Knuth answer for me: http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1831 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 January 2014 13:36, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Very good points that you make

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
that the current present moment will disappear and be replaced with a new future moment? The idea that time flows, when followed to its logical ends, seems to undermine the very reasons for assuming it in the first place. Jason On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
present moment will disappear and be replaced with a new future moment? The idea that time flows, when followed to its logical ends, seems to undermine the very reasons for assuming it in the first place. Jason On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jason, As many as are possible. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Jason, I would not say that only a single present moment of time exists. I

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
no one was dumb enough to ever take seriously. But people actually do, very smart people too! Edgar On Friday, January 24, 2014 7:58:06 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, One has to be willing to face the flames, sometimes literally, when promoting a new idea. I do

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
2014 08:54, Stephen Paul King step...@provensecure.comwrote: Either way the concept of a block universe is one of the most mind blowingly moronic ideas anyone ever came up with. It reminds me of the ideas me and my buddies used to come up with in Jr. High School just for laughs but which no one

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
is a dimension (which is mathematically valid of course), otherwise it is not. See my explanation with details above... Edgar On Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:55:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, Strictly speaking, no, time is not a dimension. We define sequences

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
figment of our imagination, IMHO. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2014 09:53, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: We now know, given the weight of evidence in support of QM, that Newtonian physics is wrong, even thought it can

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
of Bell's theorem. My main argument is that our explanatory models must start with experimental facts, not myths wrapped in fancy math. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:03 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2014 09:53, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Umm, I

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2014 11:25, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Russell, I agree, this has been pointed out by many. The Schroedinger's equation uses the classical concept of time. The Wheeler

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
2014 15:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2014 11:25, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Russell, I agree, this has been pointed out by many

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, I try to (have some idea what I am talking about). I just have lost the desire to explain myself. I made my case already. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:24 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2014 15:43, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: I have

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-24 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jan 2014, at 23:16, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:11:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jan 2014, at 15:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It is a phisical

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
in our minds rather than 'out there' in the universe I agree! Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:09:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, Cool! We are making progress in understanding each other. :-) Let me get into some details, where the devil is! On Tue, Jan

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear John, Thank you for trying to parse my gobbletygok! Watch the Donald Hoffman talk, then think about what your saying. http://youtu.be/dqDP34a-epI Are you following my argument that we need a dual

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 January 2014 17:51, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Did the notion of an Eigenform, as defined, make sense to you? I just had another look. It appears to be an infinite nest of boxes... I am probably missing something but I can't see

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
, it starts with the Void. You are thinking of the idea almost exactly backwards. :-) On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2014 14:01, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, The infinite nesting of boxes is one of the possible

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
2014 14:29, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: I do not see how what is by definition fixed and timeless can be considered to have any property that is an actual actionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics) . Following the supplied link gives this definition

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, I don't know how I could explain it any better Sorry. :_( On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2014 14:32, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, The nested or tower of boxes are the result, the product

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2014 14:55, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, I argue against the block universe idea as well using quantum mechanics: positions and momenta cannot co-exist as definite

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2014 15:28, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2014 14:55, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2014 17:35, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Yes, there are many ontological assumptions. Could you list a few that seem obvious to you? It is not easy to cut and paste

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, There is also some kind of continuity relation between the content of the pigeon holes... On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2014 15:40, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, OK, Let us stipulate

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Alberto, I disagree, but like the direction of your thinking. On Monday, January 20, 2014 3:17:16 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Computation is understood as whatever made by a digital computer or something that can be emulated (or aproximated) by a digital computer. So

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:04:38 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: A process which transforms information? Any! Define information as the distinction between a pair of things that makes a difference to a third. The third is the witness, it gives us a notion of 3p... Ultimately,

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear yanniru, It is deterministic in the mathematical sense if determinism is some form of bijective map between a domain and a range. But we cannot access the content of the domain nor of the range. Laplace's Demon can't read it off. Resent debate on the topic of the Black Hole Firewall

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:51:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jan 2014, at 21:17, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Computation is understood as whatever made by a digital computer or something that can be emulated (or aproximated) by a digital computer. OK. That's a

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Alberto, On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:44:18 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Liz, Richard: I´m not talking about global reduction of entropy neither of the universe neither a star, planet of black hole, but a local decrease of entropy at the cost of a (bigger) increase of entropy

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jan 2014, at 20:05, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:51:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jan 2014, at 21:17, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Computation

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:11:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jan 2014, at 15:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It is a phisical definition of computation in the physical world, to distinguish what physical phenomena are computations and what are not. I don´t care

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Craig, On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:19:54 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08:45 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 22 January 2014 15:04, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Computation is the nested, recursive enumeration of uniform symbolic bodies.

Re: Donald Hoffman Video on Interface Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Craig, On Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:54:19 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:59:50 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Hey Craig! I watched the video... very cool! Hi Dan, glad you liked it. Questions: 1) Who is the user of the interface?

Re: Donald Hoffman Video on Interface Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:26:15 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Craig, On Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:54:19 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:59:50 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Hey Craig! I watched the video... very

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2014 02:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2014 17:35, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: what is the definition of computation?

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
to process the data... On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:39 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2014 12:25, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: And the logical process, at least, re-presents the physical process. We get a closed loop if we have full algebraic closure

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, Yes, we are but one that does not live in an imaginary timeless realm. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2014 18:42, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, (Isn't that a bit like saying that me typing I just

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, I want to explore the idea that Realities Evolve. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:36 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2014 19:34, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Yes, we are but one that does not live in an imaginary timeless realm

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
and toes, for example. Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:50:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, We can get to the root of the obstruction, perhaps, is the nature of perception. If perception, physically speaking, is the mere matching between some bit of the world to some

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
, separable and distributed computations and logics that do not force ACID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID absolutely are a solution. Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:05:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
in the mind of some observer. It's the way the information is modeled or simulated by a mind. Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:05:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Edgar, On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net wrote: Stephen, It's an error to assume

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
wrote: On 21 January 2014 17:51, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Did the notion of an Eigenform, as defined, make sense to you? Heinz performs the magic trick of convincing us that the familiar objects of our existence can be seen to be nothing more than tokens

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? Computer Science

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? Computer Science

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
, then presumably the posts shouldn't show up in my email. :) -Gabe On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Gage, Are you attempting to view the Google group from a Google+ or Gmail environment? On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Gabe Bodeen gabebod

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
computational reality which includes myriads of ongoing computations which together continually compute the current state of the universe? Yes. It is the evolution of the wavefunctions of the physical systems. Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:17:44 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:06 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2014 11:38, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Plain English explanations are the problem: they carry a set of ontological assumptions built it. Kauffman is challenging

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 January 2014 08:49, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Bruno, The idea that I am pursuing here is how to think of Becoming in a way that is consistent with comp. So far all we have are eternal static infinite entities. Pigeon holes ... yes

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:06 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2014 11:38, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, Plain English explanations are the problem: they carry a set

Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
, at 21:01, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, Thank you for writing this remark! It is very helpful. You are welcome. I could see where there could be some debate on the constructability claim, as the set of all programs in L could be infinite and thus the lexicographic ordering would

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Jan 2014, at 21:09, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2014, at 22:52, Stephen Paul King wrote: I will write

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Is it possible for a Computation to be a Model also? What is the obstruction? On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2014, at 07:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: No! This is not unknown. I am cobbling ideas together, sure, think about

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, If you have a chance, scan through this paper. Its ideas follow the same basic ontology of Becoming as mine. (My thinking is far less formal and even crackpotish in comparison.) http://homepages.math.uic.edu/~kauffman/Eigen.pdf On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Paul King

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
11:08, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, If you have a chance, scan through this paper. Its ideas follow the same basic ontology of Becoming as mine. (My thinking is far less formal and even crackpotish in comparison.) http://homepages.math.uic.edu/~kauffman

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Church thesis = non computable functions exist (Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-01-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
. My interest now is in the computational Word Problem. I have more homework to do. On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Stephen, Liz, On 18 Jan 2014, at 00:02, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2014 11:39, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2014, at 22:52, Stephen Paul King wrote: I will write it again. Block Universes are an incoherent idea. It only seems to work because we imagine tem as existing out there and subject to our

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
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