Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread spudboy100
political influence is confined to the planck width. Cheers, Mitch -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 7:16 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread spudboy100
-oceans-will-slow-climate-change.html#.UzBIaaPD-dI -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 9:44 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sat

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Climate models predict that there should be plenty of statistical fluctuation on the level of individual decades, Well now, it would be pretty difficult for that prediction to be proven wrong. It reminds me of the famous

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread LizR
On 25 March 2014 06:28, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Climate models predict that there should be plenty of statistical fluctuation on the level of individual decades, Well now, it would be pretty difficult

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread LizR
On 22 March 2014 22:07, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Germany is scaling down its nuclear energy production and plans to shut down all of it's nucler power plants in the next two decades. This is due to political pressure from the green party amongst others. Meanwhile, it is

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2014, at 10:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2014 22:07, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Germany is scaling down its nuclear energy production and plans to shut down all of it's nucler power plants in the next two decades. This is due to political

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Yes, I noted that in the article. Another explanation I've read for the current (geologically during the past million or so years) fairly regular cycle of ice ages is that it is due to the current distribution of continents, in particular the closing of the Isthmus of Panama which cut

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Edgar, What mechanism do they propose for such an abrupt transition from extreme warming to cooling? I would suggest a stoppage of the Gulf stream as a possibility based on plate movement. But I favor the change in albedo due to an unstable jet stream known to result from arctic warming.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Since ice ages have been fairly regular since they began, the theory is that the current arrangement of continents sets up a condition in which Milankovich cycles produce regular ice ages. The Milankovich cycles are certainly regular of course which seems to be something that is

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok data as well as comparable data over a longer time. http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/milankovitch-cycles-chart-3.jpg Please do so and tell me if you think

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
-Original Message- From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 9:34 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Here is a much better graph showing the correlation. Edgar On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:34:08 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok data as well as comparable

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, 2014 7:40 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Richard, Here's is new research into one possible contributor to ice ages. Edgar Airborne Iron May Have Helped Cause Past Ice Ages 20 March 2014 2:00 pm [image: Life from dust. Iron-rich dust

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Richard, Here's is new research into one possible contributor to ice ages. Edgar Airborne Iron May Have Helped Cause Past Ice Ages 20 March 2014 2:00 pm [image: Life from dust. Iron-rich dust streaming from Patagonian deserts (red plume

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
? Because if they were, they lied to us. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, Better evidence is that the little ice age was caused by solar variations esp the Maunder minimum. It lasted too long to be attributed to volcanos I would think. However volcanos and smaller asteroid impacts do certainly cause

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, The correlation is actually pretty solid, though the discrepancies may indicate some other factors at play also. And what makes you think another ice age isn't coming? it's more or less time for the next one. Or perhaps global warming is what will either stop it or make it less

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2014 8:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:45:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Mar 2014, at 10:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux allc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comjavascript: :

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:59 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2014 8:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, If only dead wood is cut for firewood and cooking you are just recycling a sustainable resource. Unlike coal and oil, firewood quickly and sustainably regenerates. And basically burning dead wood is just speeding up the natural process of the decay of dead trees. So burning dead wood

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is precisely the use of more and more powerful technology that has resulted in

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spudboy100, I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a looming environmental / resources

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spudboy100, I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a looming environmental / resources problem, and that we should use technology to make a transition to more renewable energy sources and so on. And you

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound quite right.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
: Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 11:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Tackling thing technically

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:52 GMT+01:00 Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Sure, I'm well aware of these predictions, but my point is that many necessary global resources are being rapidly depleted by just the current human population, so even that is not sustainable. In general the standard demographic predictions don't pay much attention to the dwindling

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 11:49 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
, Mar 21, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:10 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
it would have been carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
government, not a dictatorship -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 20 March 2014 07:10, spudboy...@aol.com wrote

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 11:01 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com I heartily agree, but I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating 2014-03-20 14:34 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 20 March

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
of a better word, is an example of corralling the serfs-for their own good. Very weird. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 8:27 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating 2014-03-20 14:34 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all uranium

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
9:59 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating 2014-03-20 14:55 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. What sort of crazy are you ? Why are you adding things not written

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
. -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or horrible uranium, while we

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
On 21 March 2014 02:34, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars. What do you mean by this? Why couldn't solar replace SOME of the above? I'm sorry but you haven't really answered my

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
On 21 March 2014 06:24, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. Only

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to replace it?!! Why

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
-Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:24 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion... Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us... Edgar On Thursday, March 20,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
, are they preparing for such. Incongruity city. What do you mean by this? Why couldn't solar replace SOME of the above? -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:11 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
with this forecast. Color me anti-scientific. -Original Message- From: Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, spudboy

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
one child policy. -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the general policy recommendations that most of those who see an urgent need to curb global warming could agree on? Yes. And what is this

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the general policy recommendations that most of those who see an urgent need to curb

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:48 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the general

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: I have offered quite a few prescriptions - none of which you will approve of, because they entail the adoption of a new ethic of material frugality, of having a light footprint, and of adopting sustainable

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, If human overpopulation is not drastically reduced humanely it will inevitably be drastically reduced INhumanely... There are a number of ways to reduce human overpopulation humanely. Mainly by offering sufficient financial incentives to women of child bearing age to undergo voluntary

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
engineers, will step up, where the electronics engineers have failed us. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 7:12 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 19 March 2014

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.comeverything

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:10 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:10 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread LizR
On 20 March 2014 07:10, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 19 March 2014 08:46, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from your sense data - something along the lines of I see birds singing in the trees, so mass

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread spudboy100
: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:19 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 08:46, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it could even be worse

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 4:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 08:46, spudboy...@aol.com mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 13:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The market means you can have as much freedom as you can pay for. Nicely put. I may put that in my collection of quotes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:55:41 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. WHA?? You think

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread LizR
On the subject of environmentalists wanting to save the planet even at the expense of the human race, it's heartening to see the latest missive from Greenpeace, which starts... Nobody wants tigers to go extinct, but consider this; *without healthy forests our own survival may also be under

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:55:41 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. WHA?? You think that? Based on what analysis? I imagine that you, like me, live in a metropolis where in the course of a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Yes, it's fun to watch everyone who was dumping on Edgar now dumping on each other even more viciously! So maybe it wasn't Edgar after all, but those who were doing the dumping? :-) Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:23:28 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: The situation at everything

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Pierz
Umm... no. It was you. Great big smiley face. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:15:24 PM UTC+11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Richard, Yes, it's fun to watch everyone who was dumping on Edgar now dumping on each other even more viciously! So maybe it wasn't Edgar after all, but those who were doing

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread John Clark
Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 wrote: I think debate is like a sport where it's OK to be aggressive within some very circumscribed bounds, do you see it differently? No I agree. And I don't mind if you call me an asshole but don't call me a creationist, that's going

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread John Clark
Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:44 AM Are you trying to imply that species are not dying off at alarming rate? I hate to see any species go extinct (except for the Smallpox virus) but there are other things that alarm me more. I don't think so but even if

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 15:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The situation at everything list seems to be deteriorating. Teehee. Time to send in the clean-up squad...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:37 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:29 AM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating All, In terms of the Permian

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:35:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jesse Mazer laser...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: So, like a creationist You need a new insult, you've used that one before. It's not an insult Of course not, I'm sure that being

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 12:19, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me sidekick... Looks like someone has discovered a new insult! Whatever happened to netiquette? I found that

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Ruquist
The situation at everything list seems to be deteriorating. On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 March 2014 12:19, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:08:13 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 16 March 2014 12:19, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me sidekick... Looks like someone has

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