Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread LizR
On 25 March 2014 06:28, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > Climate models predict that there should be plenty of statistical >> fluctuation on the level of individual decades, >> > > Well now, it would be pretty difficult for that prediction to be prove

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > Climate models predict that there should be plenty of statistical > fluctuation on the level of individual decades, > Well now, it would be pretty difficult for that prediction to be proven wrong. It reminds me of the famous and vacuous quote

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread spudboy100
loopy-oceans-will-slow-climate-change.html#.UzBIaaPD-dI -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 9:44 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-24 Thread spudboy100
political influence is confined to the planck width. Cheers, Mitch -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 7:16 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, If only dead wood is cut for firewood and

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes : >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:59 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/22/2014 8:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:45:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Mar 2014, at 10:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux > > > wrote: > > > > > 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes > >: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quenti

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2014 8:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com>> wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, The correlation is actually pretty solid, though the discrepancies may indicate some other factors at play also. And what makes you think another ice age isn't coming? it's more or less time for the next one. Or perhaps global warming is what will either stop it or make it less inte

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
previous in the Baltic. One scholar believes that the Viking Gotterdamerung feature of the old, Nordic, faith, evolved from that strike. -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 10:19 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
sus on AGW? Because if they were, they lied to us. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb wrote: On

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>> wrote:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
century and >> again, at the beginning of the 13th century. It gets colder so marmots and >> rats dig tunnels and are in closer contact, and thus, easier to spread >> bacilli that are bubonic, pneumonic, etc? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
r 22, 2014 7:40 am > Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > Richard, > > Here's is new research into one possible contributor to ice ages. Edgar > > Airborne Iron May Have Helped Cause Past Ice Ages >20 March 2014 2:00 pm >[image:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread spudboy100
-Original Message- From: Richard Ruquist To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 9:34 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Here is a much better graph showing the correlation. Edgar On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:34:08 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > Edgar, > > I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares > isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok data as well as > compara

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok data as well as comparable data over a longer time. http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/milankovitch-cycles-chart-3.jpg Please do so and tell me if you think

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Since ice ages have been fairly regular since they began, the theory is that the current arrangement of continents sets up a condition in which Milankovich cycles produce regular ice ages. The Milankovich cycles are certainly regular of course which seems to be something that is needed

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Edgar, What mechanism do they propose for such an abrupt transition from extreme warming to cooling? I would suggest a stoppage of the Gulf stream as a possibility based on plate movement. But I favor the change in albedo due to an unstable jet stream known to result from arctic warming. Richar

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Yes, I noted that in the article. Another explanation I've read for the current (geologically during the past million or so years) fairly regular cycle of ice ages is that it is due to the current distribution of continents, in particular the closing of the Isthmus of Panama which cut

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes : >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:0

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR wrote: > On 22 March 2014 22:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Germany is scaling down its nuclear energy production and plans to shut >> down all of it's nucler power plants in the next two decades. This is due >> to political pressure from the green party amo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2014, at 10:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes : On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:5

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread LizR
On 22 March 2014 22:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Germany is scaling down its nuclear energy production and plans to shut > down all of it's nucler power plants in the next two decades. This is due > to political pressure from the green party amongst others. Meanwhile, it is > reactivating coal powe

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes : > > >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quent

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
ect: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is wh

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 11:49 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > >On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>>: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com>

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >> The thing I most want to know

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Sure, I'm well aware of these predictions, but my point is that many necessary global resources are being rapidly depleted by just the current human population, so even that is not sustainable. In general the standard demographic predictions don't pay much attention to the dwindling res

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes : > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >> The thing I most want to know about RCP4

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : > > >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>> > The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, > Google seems to think it's "Rich

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:52 GMT+01:00 Jesse Mazer : > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>> > The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, > Google seems to think it's "Rich Cli

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound quite right. It

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 11:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:16 PM, wrote: Tackling thing technically will save lots or preaching, in emails, and public speaking. For e

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark : > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound quite right. It must be prett

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > >>> The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, >>> Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound >>> quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP >>> either.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Spud, > > But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, > the ecosystem, and the human species itself. > > Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I > fear, naive. It is precisely the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
e- > From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:32 am > Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, wrote: > >> Very well, go ahead and power it all down

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
ere are things we can do until this golden >> interplanetary age. I don't see that a Paul Ehrlich response is a good way >> to go, or even achievable at this point. Hence, I'd prefer the technology >> path, rather than adopting China's one child policy. >> -Ori

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
ssage- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spudboy100, I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a looming environmental / resources problem, and that we shoul

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is precisely the use of more and more powerful technology that has resulted in th

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, If only dead wood is cut for firewood and cooking you are just recycling a sustainable resource. Unlike coal and oil, firewood quickly and sustainably regenerates. And basically burning dead wood is just speeding up the natural process of the decay of dead trees. So burning dead wood fo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
ld policy. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edgar L. Owen >> To: everything-list >> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm >> Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating >> >> Spud, >> >> The best, likely the only, w

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
y > path, rather than adopting China's one child policy. > -Original Message- > From: Edgar L. Owen > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm > Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > Spud, > > The bes

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
u, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion... Anyway if we d

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
with this forecast. Color me anti-scientific. -Original Message- From: Jesse Mazer To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
, are they preparing for such. Incongruity city. What do you mean by this? Why couldn't solar replace SOME of the above? -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:11 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 21 M

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion... Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us... Edgar On Thursday, March 20, 2014

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
rnatives Edgar -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:24 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my li

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the > lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy > coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to > replace it?!! Why that will take dec

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
On 21 March 2014 06:24, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Spud, > > Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used > firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead > trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. > Only very rarely d

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread LizR
On 21 March 2014 02:34, wrote: > Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, > all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars. > What do you mean by this? Why couldn't solar replace SOME of the above? I'm sorry but you haven't really answered my post at all. The a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
> their promises and guarantees, the politicians and the billionaires that > own them, have failed mightily. Feel free to disagree with this > observation. > -Original Message- > From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > To: everything-list > > Sent: Thu, Mar 20

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
bservation. -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
o... it's not because it can't currently replace everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're not the one who decide things. -Original Message- From: Quentin Anciaux To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am Subject

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
ly replace > everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're > not the one who decide things. > > -Original Message- > From: Quentin Anciaux > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am > Subject: Re: The situation a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
of a better word, is an example of corralling the serfs-for their own good. Very weird. -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 8:27 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/18/2014 4:12 PM, LizR

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
doesn't have to... it's not because it can't currently replace > everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're > not the one who decide things. > > -Original Message----- > From: Quentin Anciaux > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
hat solar farm described in SciAm had been realised it would have been carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be dete

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 11:01 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com I heartily agree, but I was focusing on technological remediati

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
have been > carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship > > -Original Message- > From: LizR > To: everything-list > Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > On

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
ed it would have been carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 20 March 2014 07:10, wrote: Here

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread spudboy100
your fox cartoons on this list if you want. The green party as Marxist cult? -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 4:01 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:34 PM

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
globally dominant crime families. What kind of freedom is that? The freedom to live under the rule of psychopaths? -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 7:12 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 19 March 2014

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread LizR
On 20 March 2014 07:10, wrote: > Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the > climate thing is. > > http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html > > Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the standard of > livin

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
; > It's the same voice that rings through those media channels: I don't need > a lesson in freedom from the lobbies that eavesdrop and conduct unilateral > military stuff on the entire world for the "security of said freedom"; > again: I can buy those subscriptions to dict

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
can buy those subscriptions to dictatorship propaganda of those interests myself, if I cared. PGC -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: eve

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
dictatorship propaganda of those interests myself, if I cared. PGC > -Original Message- > From: Chris de Morsella > To: everything-list > Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm > Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > *From:* ever

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
ach to agricultural production during the Great Leap Forward from 1958-62, as a prime example. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-l

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread spudboy100
engineers, will step up, where the electronics engineers have failed us. -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 7:12 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 19 March 2014 08:46, wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, If human overpopulation is not drastically reduced humanely it will inevitably be drastically reduced INhumanely... There are a number of ways to reduce human overpopulation humanely. Mainly by offering sufficient financial incentives to women of child bearing age to undergo voluntary st

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > I have offered quite a few prescriptions - none of which you will > approve of, because they entail the adoption of a new ethic of material > frugality, of having a light footprint, and of adopting sustainable > practices, as we also

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:48 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux : > > > > 2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark : > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: >> >>> > >>> Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look > like the "general policy recommendations that most of

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark : > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > >> >>> >>> Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the "general policy recommendations that most of those who see an urgent need to curb global warming co

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > >> >>> >>> Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look >>> like the "general policy recommendations that most of those who see an >>> urgent need to curb global warming could agree on"? >>> >> >> >> Yes. >> > > > And wha

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 13:27, meekerdb wrote: > The market means you can have as much freedom as you can pay for. > Nicely put. I may put that in my collection of quotes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this g

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 4:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 08:46, mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presente

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 08:46, wrote: > Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 > is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate > measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it > could even be worse than 10,000. As I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread spudboy100
t: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from your sense data - something along

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. > Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from your sense data - something along the lines of "I see birds singing in the trees, so mass sp

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread LizR
On the subject of environmentalists "wanting to save the planet even at the expense of the human race", it's heartening to see the latest missive from Greenpeace, which starts... Nobody wants tigers to go extinct, but consider this; *without healthy forests our own survival may also be under threa

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread spudboy100
hing-list Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:55:41 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. WHA?? You "

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-17 Thread spudboy100
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RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:37 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Chris de Morsella on Sat, Mar 15, 2014

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 15:23, Richard Ruquist wrote: > The situation at everything list seems to be deteriorating. > Teehee. Time to send in the clean-up squad...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group an

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread John Clark
Chris de Morsella on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:44 AM > > Are you trying to imply that species are not dying off at alarming rate? > I hate to see any species go extinct (except for the Smallpox virus) but there are other things that alarm me more. > >>I don't think so but even if you're right do

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread John Clark
Jesse Mazer on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 wrote: > I think debate is like a sport where it's OK to be aggressive within some > very circumscribed bounds, do you see it differently? No I agree. And I don't mind if you call me an asshole but don't call me a creationist, that's going too far. > > Do yo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Pierz
Umm... no. It was you. Great big smiley face. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:15:24 PM UTC+11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Richard, > > Yes, it's fun to watch everyone who was dumping on Edgar now dumping on > each other even more viciously! > > So maybe it wasn't Edgar after all, but those who were do

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Yes, it's fun to watch everyone who was dumping on Edgar now dumping on each other even more viciously! So maybe it wasn't Edgar after all, but those who were doing the dumping? :-) Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:23:28 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > The situation at everything l

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:55:41 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent > spring round the globe. WHA?? You "think that"? Based on what analysis? I imagine that you, like me, live in a metropolis where in the course o

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:08:13 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > On 16 March 2014 12:19, > wrote: > >> >> sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such >> slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me >> sidekick... >> > > Looks like someone has discovered a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Ruquist
The situation at everything list seems to be deteriorating. On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, LizR wrote: > On 16 March 2014 12:19, wrote: > >> >> sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such >> slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me >> side

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 12:19, wrote: > > sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such > slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me > sidekick... > Looks like someone has discovered a new insult! Whatever happened to netiquette? I found that article rath

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:35:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jesse Mazer > > wrote: > > > >>> So, like a creationist > > > >> You need a new insult, you've used that one before. > > > > It's not an insult > > > Of course not, I'm sure that being insulting

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating All, In terms of the Permian

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
: > > > > > > *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everyth...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:29 AM > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > &

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