Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-25 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/24/2014 7:40 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, you want something silly? I give you something silly. Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness. I guess he's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-25 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
well, it's also as you said previously, Richard, experiencing unbounded awareness is pretty much its own verification. I remember, as an aside, someone asking Maharishi, (this was on a tape), why is the experience of unbounded awareness blissful. His response was that, that is its nature.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
/It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. / // On 10/23/2014 10:21 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I do not have time to read

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
/Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a belief in God is a form of mental illness. / // On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This sounds like a pretzeling moment ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a belief in God

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/24/2014 8:44 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This sounds like a pretzeling moment /It seems dirt simple to me. We are all bound by karma, which means actions, past and present. If a person does good deeds, he or she will be reborn in a better life. ///On the other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, me too! During some of my early meditations, I just wanted to jump up and run out of the room. But I just knew that it was what I had been wanting, just as I knew I was gonna start TM even before the lecturers said anything. In retrospect it seems like an amazing time in my life. I'll

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lawson, Skip was my dissertation advisor and I remember when he was working with Langer on this paper. On Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:34 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   The late Skip Alexander, who used to head the Psychology Dept at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-24 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, you want something silly? I give you something silly. Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness. I guess he's got a turd he wants to drop on that or something. But, here. Get

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The question for 'spiritually'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well said Barry - and I agree with every word From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:33 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Well said Barry -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... Well said Barry - and I agree with every word --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It's NOT that I'm saying that seeking spiritual experiences ISN'T valuable. I'm just pointing out that almost no one in history has ever stepped up to the plate and made an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
When thinking about why people value certain experiences and do certain activities, I like Maslow's hierarchy of needs as a guideline. IOW, once certain basic needs are met, then a person seeks to satisfy additional needs. Which might not be higher but which might simply involve activating more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 3:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ** For me as time went on such experiences tended to damp out, everything kind of flattened out, until one day on a walk there was this shift in which the world, as it always had been, was identical with what I had

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 5:04 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well said Barry - and I agree with every word /You failed to answer Barry's main question: what is the value of the spiritual life?/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Well said Barry - and I agree with every word On 10/23/2014 5:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's NOT that I'm saying that seeking spiritual experiences ISN'T valuable. I'm just pointing out that almost no one in history has ever stepped up to the plate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
You are very good at quoting scripture and contents of text books (and there is a value to that), but when you look to the honesty of your moment to moment experience - What do you find? Put aside traditions and ancient wisdom - they are not relevant today - today its What are you bringing to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 7:14 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Could it be that we're simply compelled by neural pathways in our brain that want to be activated? /According to MMY it is the nature of the mind to want to enjoy - it's only natural for anyone to want to be free

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 9:02 AM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are very good at quoting scripture and contents of text books (and there is a value to that), but when you look to the honesty of your moment to moment experience - What do you find? /Teachers and textbooks are like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, your posts remind me of how much I appreciate David Deida and other teachers who suggest that the old ways of liberation are best suited to masculine physiologies. He also compares a soul to the light coming in from a stained glass window, which is the body. Via yoga practices we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, I also appreciate Maharishi's distinction between and enlightened person and an enlightened teacher. The person maybe popped into enlightenment while eating a strawberry. So then he or she teaches the strawberry eating technique. OTOH, an enlightened teacher has such a perspective

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such experiences valuable. There are certain things I like, certain things I do not, and I go for the ones I like. While I do not know why, those things

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, your posts remind me of how much I appreciate David Deida and other teachers who suggest that the old ways of liberation are best suited to masculine physiologies. He also compares a soul to the light

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, is he saying something similar to: the Self alone unfolds the Self to the Self? That's what it sounds like to me. I think the whole thing is a big, fat paradox! On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:17 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness I think you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 10:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Two travelers are on a road, looking for Ixtlan. They ask a passing bird for directions. He gives them, then flies off. Do the travelers go in the direction he pointed them to, or not? Whatever their choice, do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That was a great read, thanks! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such experiences valuable. There are certain things I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
WRT TM, I never got a snow job or a hard sell. In 1972, I was student teaching in a non traditional high school. One of the other student teachers explained the bubble diagram to me. Also during this time, my husband and I were doing marijuana approx 3 times a year. I wished that I could have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like you Share, I really did not pay attention to the selling points as I had had experiences prior to TM, I was just looking for an easy way to meditate, a natural consequence of being lazy. The sell was there in the introductory and preparatory lectures and in available chart books

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The late Skip Alexander, who used to head the Psychology Dept at MUM, co-edited a book that examined post-maslow development. He wrote the chapter on Vedic Psychology, and prominent mainstream-psychologists wrote chapters on post-Maslow, -post-Piagetian, etc., psychology. _Higher Stages

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A slight nit: in the 40 years that Benson has been publishing his book he never, not even once, published a head-to-head study of TM vs his Relaxation Response. In fact, the criticisms that were leveled against Keith Wallace's first study apply equally well to Benson's research. And

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread nablusoss1008
Funny you mention this word. When a journalist in Vlodrop asked who are you really Maharishi, he simply said; I'm just a normal human being. Whereupon Bevan afterwards remarked; today we got a new understanding of what it means to be normal :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That was a great read, thanks! /It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. // // //What

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is the closest word I can think of, that describes a life of enlightenment, normal. :-). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Funny you mention this word. When a journalist in Vlodrop asked who are you really Maharishi, he simply said; I'm just a normal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: That was a great read, thanks! It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--- punditster@... wrote : It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. What happened - I thought you guys all read Sam Harris' book. Go figure. Xeno didn't even

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There are many non-physical phenomena that on one hand, cannot be proven, by physical means. On the other hand, if we take them out of the equation of life, life then makes less sense, and becomes less enjoyable. An example would be the love between a child, and its mother or father, or love

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So, you must be a man of deep capacity to be able to hold within your appreciation myself and someone as different as I am in the form of bawee. Maybe one day I'll get there too. Something to point out, about Curtis, Ann -- Rather than an expression of his social flexibility and capacity to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There are many non-physical phenomena that on one hand, cannot be proven, by physical means. On the other hand, if we take them out of the equation of life, life then makes less sense, and becomes less enjoyable. An

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, before I started moving Ann's messages to the Deranged Stalkers From Hell folder, I seem to remember her being the person who claimed to know for sure that nothing bad had happened

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, are you serious! You completely miss the whole intent of Ann's comment. But, like I said, who cares. You point out what you feel is craziness, stupidity and obsession in other people, and they, (including me) do the same to you. You are no different than the people you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Jesus, salyavin, I gotta tell you, from what I know about you, and what I know about Ann, count me in the Ann camp. On the other hand, maybe there's just not a hell of a lot for you to hang your hat on. A lot of deep thinking perhaps, if that's what you want to call it. P.S. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You never really began to debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, Thank you for your ideas. I believe we've exhausted this debate. There is no point to continue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 9:49 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yeah, I've seen $cientologists like this in action, and for the life of me can't tell any difference between them and Richard, Ann, Jimbo, and She Whose Holy Work They Are Continuing In Her Absence. Uber-cultists, the whole

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's a nice piece Ann. I feel as though I have a pretty good idea of the real person behind people's online persona. I think you might be referring to Barry in some of what you say here. I've had a changing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, did you read the following paragraph? I regard it as a culturally spread malady that has its roots in our nervous system. I think it may be that, from an evolutionary viewpoint, a certain gullibility to pick up behaviours and ideas helps a child, and to a lesser extent adults, to quickly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/22/2014 7:32 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jesus, salyavin, I gotta tell you, from what I know about you, and what I know about Ann, count me in the Ann camp. On the other hand, maybe there's just not a hell of a lot for you to hang your hat on. A lot of deep

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : So, you must be a man of deep capacity to be able to hold within your appreciation myself and someone as different as I am in the form of bawee. Maybe one day I'll get there too. Something to point out, about Curtis,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/22/2014 6:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ** Well, before I started moving Ann's messages to the Deranged Stalkers From Hell folder, /It looks like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There are many non-physical phenomena that on one hand, cannot be proven, by physical means. On the other hand, if we take them out of the equation of life, life then makes less sense, and becomes less enjoyable. An

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 12:54 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I enjoyed your response till you went its all about Barry on my ass Richard. /So, you don't want to talk about Barry and Sam Harris and their belief in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation. Go figure./ I am not on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, what the hell are you saying? Tell me it's not the same 'ol diatribe. Maybe I'll have time to read it later. How many posts have you written denigrating the place here, and it's participants, every hour, every day, letting us know what a waste of time it is for your to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, it appears that agreement with Barry, trumps any kind of rational thinking with sal. go figger! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ann, it appears that agreement with Barry, trumps any kind of rational thinking with sal. go figger! Yes, but kindness is my goal today (although I always find it easy to be kind to my animals) so I will hold off

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
okay, good goal Ann, but your normal style of functioning. It's just when we see something that seems out of whack, we comment on it. To Barry that's being obsessed, or stalking. He, of course is beyond most, if not all, human foibles. A model of unattachment. A button pusher on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : okay, good goal Ann, but your normal style of functioning. It's just when we see something that seems out of whack, we comment on it. To Barry that's being obsessed, or stalking. He, of course is beyond most, if not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, I am sure you have noticed, this reading comprehension issue with Barry. The brain filia that are responsible for nuance, seem to have gotten flattened, or something. I mean, it is sort of funny, but sad too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
who did you say was channeling Judy, sal? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, before I started moving Ann's messages to the Deranged Stalkers From Hell

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/22/2014 5:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com As to the first question, mental illness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness The human species lack of hard wiring makes us more flexible for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
I've been around FFL a while, but don't post often as conversations quickly become too personal (I don't know folks by their given names) - and although I can wade thru muck and mire, way too much bandwidth is used up on folks dealing with their own emotions. and I can't figure out the forum

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2014-10-22 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm sure Ann appreciates your straightening her out about me Jim. She was making the mistake of trusting her own impression, but now has the enlightened perspective from you on my dark motives and inner thoughts. At first I wondered how you could know about my inner feelings or whether or not

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2014-10-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hi, and thanks for that - Yeah, I just wanted to point out who is the hand, and who is the sock monkey, in that equation. Have a great day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : So, you must

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2014-10-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, it occurs to me that the only thing we can know for sure is that awareness exists. And that's because we're aware. But maybe I'm over simplifying (-: On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:02 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

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2014-10-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have no problem with your friendship with Ann - As she responded, she suspects some of what I said is accurate, but doesn't let that deter a friendship with you. I don't play the chimp's games, and you, like the chimp, seem to have a difficult time reconciling, one the one hand, denying that

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2014-10-22 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I have no problem with your friendship with Ann - As she responded, she suspects some of what I said is accurate, M: That would require her to believe that you know my feelings when reading posts or whether or not I even

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2014-10-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Just to be clear, at no time have I said I was in the highest state of human development. The way I learned it, according to Maharishi, was that enlightenment meant simply, normal, and everything continues from there, as it always has. Draw your own conclusions. ---In

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2014-10-22 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental

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2014-10-21 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst case of losing it so far. Enlightened? At this point he's barely human... I'm interested in why anyone who risks a dissenting voice round here is

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2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst case of losing it so far. Enlightened? At this point he's barely human... I'm interested in why anyone who

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2014-10-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Funny, you accusing me of losing something, that you never had, in the first place. lol. You would not know the first thing about Enlightenment, especially after that spiritual criminal taught you and the rest of the chumps that only two people out of the hundreds that worshipped him, even

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2014-10-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have a lot of friends on here. No need to pretend otherwise. Perhaps you should be giving advice to the turd flinging chimp on here, whom you find so much in common with, both of you far less than raging successes in the world. Your attempt at sussing my motivation, is absurd. I don't play

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 4:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny, you accusing me of losing something, that you never had, in the first place. lol. /This is not funny - a guy that has believed in Buddhas for a decade has apparently lost it - lost his faith in karma and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You seem to be just trolling. Do you practice TM? I was talking about things that spiritual practices advertise they can bring into one's awareness. These things are private, you cannot prove you have these kinds of experiences. My body has a mother and father, my awareness does not, the

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2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst case of losing it so far. Enlightened? At this point he's barely human... If you are the benchmark for the def of human then you are absolutely

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2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst case of losing it so far. Enlightened? At this point he's barely human...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is a lot of airy talk, though telling. My concern after having read it, is, I feel it was written by someone who takes less than complete responsibility for their life, and their personal thoughts and actions. Taking this line, of the strong possibility of random action, so seriously, as

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/20/2014 11:43 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Xeno, I'm flabbergasted at the statements you just said. In the physical existence of human beings here on earth, everyone has to have a mother and a father. Were you not created by your father's sperm that impregnated your

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
** I think the reason this happens is that Jim and other spiritual/religious types don't realise their beliefs are emotional rather than logical and insult any contrarians in an accordingly similar way to how they feel they've been slighted. On 10/21/2014 3:09 AM, TurquoiseBee

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2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/20/2014 11:43 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Xeno, I'm flabbergasted at the statements you just said. In the physical existence of human beings here on earth, everyone has to have a mother

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2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's such a delight to read something written by someone who can still think, Curtis. Thanks. The very IDEA that someone could consider Robin Carlsen or Jim Flanegin or John R rational astounds me. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 8:27 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You seem to be just trolling. /Now that's a thought-stopper!/ Do you practice TM? /Non sequitur.//TM has not been defined./ I was talking about things that spiritual practices advertise they can bring into one's

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2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : both of you far less than raging successes in the world. M: This often repeated idea is a key to understanding you Jim. I think it lies at the root of your need to present yourself in a ridiculously inflated way You are

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2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's such a delight to read something written by someone who can still think, Curtis. Thanks. The very IDEA that someone could consider Robin Carlsen or Jim Flanegin or John R rational astounds me. Thanks bro but I think

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2014-10-21 Thread inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
there seem to be 2 questions running through this thread: 1) is a belief in God a mental illness and 2) is a belief in God justifiable. the first question is too cumbersome for me - having the notion of mental illness imbedded in the question . . . and I can't speak as to what a mental

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2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
M: I hope you don't mind me weighing in,this was a particularly thought provoking post. I too am an amateur philosopher. But I am not sure philosophy is the right discipline to answer your question from, except to enhance the discussion of how could we know? Here is the section you quite

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2014-10-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fresh air blowing through the Funny Farm Lounge from DC area and Madison. Thanks guys for this example of FFL at its best. On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:18 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: M: I hope you don't mind me weighing in,this

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2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Gotta agree with you on this one, Share. I also have to say that if there is anyone on the planet I'd most like to see have a sit-down, on-the-record conversation with Sam Harris, it would be Curtis. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 10:42 AM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: there seem to be 2 questions running through this thread: 1) is a belief in God a mental illness and 2) is a belief in God justifiable. /There are actually three questions running through this thread:// // / 1. /Is

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2014-10-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little more up to respond. Maybe! Definitely not as good as Sam Harris (-: Anyway, my questions are: 1. how do we know that we know? Which is kind of abstract and probably just me reliving a past life as a haetera! 2.

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2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Everyone in the forum is invited to participate in this discussion to ask Xeno about his revelations regarding his physical existence. /Everyone on this forum seems to believe in causation - that for every event there is a cause. The question is if everything that

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