--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
I think MMY's definition of mistakes in this context is that
which
prevents or slows further growth towards higher states of
consciousness, not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification
requirement for all
teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in
job skills and it was all
about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only
Evaluating spiritual topics is an open domain here where anyone,
regardless of standing, may profer opinion.
It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you resort
to making a personal attack. You make this slight, concerning your
perception of my intelligence, but do not offer
Dear friends in USA,
in the last weeks I did not find muchtime
to read in your list, but a TM-teacher friend of mine, Jörg Dao, sent me the
latest, "readiness for resistance" indicating messages regarding all the
bald-faced acts of members of the old TM-Movement.
I only can tell you: Be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Evaluating spiritual topics is an open domain here where anyone,
regardless of standing, may profer opinion.
It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you
resort to making a personal
It amazes me that it is said that MMY inhibited the free flow of
publication of Guru Dev's 'sermons'. After all, it was he who put
together a book of quotations for publication ('Amrit Kana') and also
announced:-
I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that
his elevating
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman
There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru
Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing'
which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation)
into English of material previously only
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman
There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru
Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing'
which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation)
into English of material previously only
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
snip
That lecture you downloaded yesterday, the section on
enlightenment and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
I think MMY's definition of mistakes in this context is that
which
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you resort
to making a personal attack. You make this slight, concerning your
perception of my intelligence, but do not offer any cogent
But what is considered ethical varies widely and changes
constantly. Where do you find an unchanging standard?
As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics
comes from within and never changes; it implies a
sensitivity to one's own internal meter of right
and wrong. What is
On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics comes from within and never changes; it implies a sensitivity to one's own internal "meter" of right and wrong.Yep, the whole theme of "relative bodhichitta" vs. "absolute bodhichitta".As Ken Wilber
That works too, just doesn't have anything to do with ethical
or moral 'mistakes'. I mean no'thing' can or does overshadow
the Self, you just don't know that until you know that ;-)
Excellent point. The Self has *never* been overshadowed.
There was never any 'progress' to be made
Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it
would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi
text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the
text. I say this as I note that neither of the translaters have
properly translated the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics
comes from within and never changes; it implies a
sensitivity to one's own internal meter of right
and wrong.
Yep, the
A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite
beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the idea that
supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in the place of
conventional and crude weaponry, to be found in the Bhagavadgita. But
in the 21st century we tend to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But what is considered ethical varies widely and changes
constantly. Where do you find an unchanging standard?
As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics
comes from within and never changes; it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics
comes from within and never changes; it implies a
sensitivity to one's own internal meter of right
and wrong.
Yep, the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That works too, just doesn't have anything to do with ethical
or moral 'mistakes'. I mean no'thing' can or does overshadow
the Self, you just don't know that until you know that ;-)
Excellent point. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite
beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the
idea that supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in
the place of
Individual, internal ethics provides a standard only
for the individual.
And?
Why should there be a standard?
You were contrasting the Buddhist view of ethics
with external morality as a standard. It refers
to my question above as to how one can judge
whether another is
In a message dated 2/5/06 1:04:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am
teaching TM outside the TMO - and some of the people has been in contact
with the TMO before they contact me. They do not care about MMY or the TMO
- they just want to learn Transcendental
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite
beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the idea
that supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in the place of
conventional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Individual, internal ethics provides a standard only
for the individual.
And?
Why should there be a standard?
You were contrasting the Buddhist view of ethics
with external morality as a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm still not clear as to whether you are judging
how well the person is following his/her own internal
ethics, or whether the person is following *your*
own internal ethics.
I understand. Life's a bitch sometimes,
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sounds an awful lot like a "standard," then. It also sounds a lot like action in accord with the laws of nature. Well not really because people at different stages of development will experience and act
I was posing a question... originally about the duration
of 'enlightenment' - my point was that everything must be assumed to
be impermanent (temporary) until proved otherwise. I consider that
defining enlightenment as permanent has no sound basis. On the other
hand, I think it quite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:
The grain of the evolution of the Kosmos sounds an
awful lot like a standard, then.
It also sounds a lot like action in accord with the laws
of nature.
Well not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was posing a question... originally about the duration
of 'enlightenment' - my point was that everything must be assumed
to
be impermanent (temporary) until proved otherwise. I consider that
defining
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote: The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sounds an awful lot like a "standard," then. It also sounds a lot like action in accord
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
As to supernatural powers and perceptions, I don't doubt that
supernatural phenomena has occurred within the context of my own
Maharishi Channel:
raajas seem to have learned lots of Sanskrit
expressions; some of them are still slightly
struggling with their pronunciation...
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Some years back I visited India and spent some time with Dandi Swami
Narayanand Saraswati, a disciple of Guru Dev, a gurubrother of MMY.
I wrote up some of and many other meetings in 'Mala - A String of
Unexpected Meeting'.
This swami was in a state of 'maun' (a vow of silence) but I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Q. How does one distinguish apparently supernatural phenomena from
mere misperception or worse, another's attempt to mislead?
A. By attempting to separate my suggestibility from the actuality
of
any
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:
The grain of the evolution of the Kosmos sounds an
awful
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
As to supernatural powers and perceptions, I don't doubt that
Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it,
one could use one's intuition. And again:
How do you know your intuition has developed
sufficiently to be able to evaluate claims for
a phenomenon that you haven't experienced?
I've given you the best answer I can already,
twice
Snoopy typing on his typewriter, "It was a dark and stormy night.". is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:29:41 -0600 Huckleberry Finn - generally regarded as the greatest American novel.
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Archer Sir, is it any worse than Witch-burning justice systemin medival Europe, or the Penal system in Saudi-Arabia etc..etc Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:29:55 -0600 I think he was referring to things like the Manu Smriti, which is full of brutal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Snoopy typing on his typewriter, It was a dark and stormy
night.. is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel.
Not quite. :-)
Schultz was just paying homage to one of the most atrocious
first lines
--- sparaig wrote:
--- Rick Archer wrote:
I've heard both Maharishi and local enlightened
friends say that they're often surprised by the
things they find themselves doing. ...
Another friend said, I was going to the post
office but found myself at the coffee shop, implying
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where my mind stops is when I hear about people
making 'mistakes'.
What IS a mistake, anyway? I personally couldn't
tell ya...
Exactly. What is a mistake? It's
on 2/5/06 4:11 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.olestaveteig.com/
Lydklipp: Purple Haze , Foxy Lady!
FL: interesting modulation...?
Very good. Thanks. Have you gone to his concerts?
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Comments interleaved below.
-- Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement
and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months
he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to
include mention of this
I tend to agree with you. Guru Dev was definitely up for a joke -
listen to the satsangs, his audience are almost wetting themselves. I
played the longer one to a Hindi-speaking Indian friend, she just
kept guffawing and ho-ho-ing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL
On Feb 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:What do people think of this? Does it jibe with your experience? If so, it speaks to the influence of collective consciousness on the individual. I would add that they are simply non-local--that is they aren't exclusive to you. Therefore when a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it
would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi
text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 2/5/06 4:11 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.olestaveteig.com/
Lydklipp: Purple Haze , Foxy Lady!
FL: interesting modulation...?
Very good. Thanks. Have you gone to his
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it,
one could use one's intuition. And again:
How do you know your intuition has developed
sufficiently to be able to evaluate claims for
a phenomenon that
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
always will be for the awake. Never has been anything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it,
one could use one's intuition. And again:
How do you know your intuition has developed
a blatant self promotion disguised as a spiritual topic: bambu will be
playing a 45 minute set on tuesday feb 7th at gabe's in iowa city at 8
pm...it's a battle of the bands the winner of which will play at the
wakarusa festival in lawrence kansas this summer to a crowd of 15-
20,000...come and
a blatant self promotion disguised as a spiritual topic: bambu will be
playing a 45 minute set on tuesday feb 7th at gabe's in iowa city at 8
pm...it's a battle of the bands the winner of which will play at the
wakarusa festival in lawrence kansas this summer to a crowd of 15-
20,000...come and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@
wrote:
Snoopy typing on his typewriter, It was a dark and stormy
night.. is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel.
Not quite.
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes up
on 2/5/06 11:24 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments interleaved below.
-- Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement
and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months
he was confined in his own
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in
the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite?
These suckers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least),
Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who
asked him questions about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in
In a message dated 2/5/06 4:26:04 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In
the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to
have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and
lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He
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I saw a bumper sticker on a minivan in Wisconsin last week that read:
In case of rapture, this car will be empty! I suppose that means
that
my car shall remain occupied. But I am less troubled by the
Tom T:
Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat
Yuga. Tom T
Kevin shanti2218411 writes:
No doubt for the one who is awake it has always been Sat Yuga.However
in the absence of a compassionate
Patrick Gillam wrote:
What do people think of this? Does it jibe with your experience?
If so, it speaks to the influence of collective consciousness
on the individual.
Vaj writes:
I would add that they are simply non-local--that is they aren't
exclusive to you. Therefore when a thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
There's a school of thought that individuals pick up
thoughts the way radios pick up signals. Maybe we
find ourselves surprised at thoughts and actions
because they're not really ours.
I got to thinking
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], quantum pkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night CNN news featured an amazing set of coincidences. The two
persons - Penny and Kevin (their real first names) told what
happened. 7 years ago Kevin, now about 20, was practicing hitting
baseballs in a batting cage, and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
wrote:
snip
There's a school of thought that individuals pick up
thoughts the way radios pick up signals. Maybe we
find ourselves surprised at
---
from a website promoting her book Heaven is so Real!. Choo states
that she visited Hell once or twice, and that many Orientals were
there...as well as her own mother.
I sent away for the book, looks interesting; but being a Buddhist,
I don't believe that her Mother is doomed forever (if
---
---
http://www.choothomas.com/details.html
Heaven Is So Real! - THOMAS,CHOO R99.95
Do you believe heaven really exists? Choo Thomas retells a stunning,
personal story of how she saw the living Christ, visited Hell, and
walked in Heaven. On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00 in
---
-Quite correct!...bravo. ID is also bad biological design since I
fail
to see any intelligence in the design of over 100,000 species of
beetles, or the poorly designed human body: back gives out, a very
poor
structure for walking. The internal organs are ineffieiently
assembled
within
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---
-Quite correct!...bravo. ID is also bad biological design since I
fail
to see any intelligence in the design of over 100,000 species of
beetles, or the poorly designed human body: back gives out, a very
poor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom T:
Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat
Yuga. Tom T
Kevin shanti2218411 writes:
No
six people had TM-Sidhi or TM Advanced Technique
consultations
It sounds like the old gatherings in the dome to meet
with the TM-sidhi administrators has given way to yet
another way to make money. Anybody know anything about
these consultations and what they cost?
--- Michael Dean Goodman
--- Nelson wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
I sometimes find that I seem to know things I have no
normal basis for knowing. ... It's only when I stop and
ask myself, How do I know
this? that I realize there's a discrepancy, that it seems
to have bypassed the usual routes by which I
1. 'Skepticism is the default position.' Skeptics do not feel any obligation
to believe something just because we can't prove that it's NOT true. We
believe that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim: If
you want me to believe something, you have the responsibility of providing
I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and
carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do
not void in utero.
They may do so close to birth. I know people whose babies had serious
medical problems from getting feces in their lungs.
Our daughter had a bowel movement just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Nelson wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
I sometimes find that I seem to know things I have no
normal basis for knowing. ... It's only when I stop and
ask myself, How do I know
this? that I realize
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
Bob Brigante writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in
With Shivaratri coming up soon, I posted a series of MP3 files on
www.puja.net so that anyone can download the sections of Yajur Veda
that are traditionally chanted during Rudra Abishekam.
Specifically you will find Rudram, Chamakam and other selections, plus
transliterations and translations.
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