Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Convenia shot perhaps... Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel. When should I re-test? On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the IFA and Elisa. It has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv. All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!! Just think what that would look like all compiled together. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats ** ** I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/* *** ** ** -- *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative. New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive. He had the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative! *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV
Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the vet. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV. Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination. On 09-07, katskat1 wrote: Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives and negatives with the following caveat: 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl: FIV and FeLV 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting period before mixing. I think it is 1 month or so but others can confirm the correct incubation for the disease. 3. After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing. 4. I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever they are positive for) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It was the same with my Annie. When her owner who was in hospice learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next day. She knew her baby was safe so she could go. If I did not have a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to NOT die. If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would not rest in peace. I think I would be like Annie's owner was. If you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep. Any port in a storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure. I am going to have to live forever!! I have 15 cats and my family (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone to take the rest of my cats. I've been on google for days searching out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL. I'll keep trying, but I'm getting so discouraged. These cats were all rescued kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have money for their care, but no one has offered to take one. I'm now 78 and my husband is almost 90. I need to find homes, and I am offering $1,000 per cat. Do any of you have any ideas what I can do? Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] reply
Just FYI, Fip is not contagious. Its genetic in related to another virus. There's a specific type (s) of corona virus that can mutaTe into FIP in particular due to stress conditions such as introduction into a new home. As I understand it once it mutates into FIP it's not contagious but I won't swear to that. If a cat doesn't have the right gene, they won't get FIP anyhow. And of course stress is an important factor. There's good research going on re FIP. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:26 AM, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other cats. All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health issues. I also have several older cats. I've already had FIP introduced in my house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer. We had no idea she had it until, she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized. The vet did everything to get her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye. Knock on wood no one else has ever showed signs. My Spicy has a home with me for life, a pet in my home is family. I'm just undecided on whether to get her a friend or not. April From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet. Everyone passed their physical with flying colors this year. Agai, I think giving quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use fountains) is the key. This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist infections. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
I have godparents for some cats, a rescue for others. - but still a problem- what's the rescue gonna do? You gotta have place, a location. Perhaps use of your house for a period of time. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money for their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM? With 15 cats this is the problem. Not the money. . On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] reply
It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. Blessings. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did not do. You tried and that is morethan others did. You gave love. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Sounds good to me! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I love it! Hood for you. Can't believe shed leave horses in the sun and heat. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Really.eat in the truck. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a great idea. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much about them aNd dont keep up. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this
Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
I've always spay/neutered mine- No problems. Except one Felv girl I have, who has seizures, and I have not had her spayed. Year or two old. She just seems so fragile I couldn't put her thru it. Doesn't seem to have heat cycles, if so very mild and unnoticeable. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand after the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous about the situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience for me. I have loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I can. It makes me feel good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I hear her purr. It is sad she has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to give her a good life. BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the restesting? My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get out. Jannes From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix mine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society. Last week a 2 year old kitty died. She tested positive for FeLV. I got her as a kitten and at that time she tested negative. I have got quite a few cats that have been living with me as long as she has been with me. They all share the same food bowls and litterboxes. None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten that comes into my house has been tested first. It terrified me when I found out she had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has been living with me since he was 8 weeks old. Today I had him and an older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office. The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old. They both came out negative. A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested negative as well. So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the others have said because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and there is no need to panic right now. The vet felt that since those kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long that if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it. Especially the cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half. A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her healthy cats for years. She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV and they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats. I would vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the basement and if she tests negative in a few months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test I would let her in the rest of the house with the other cats. But, that's what I would do, not necessarily what you should do. Actually, I would trust the vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together. But it's your cats and you have to make that decision. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about. I felt the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with the virus. You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test positive on the IFA test. If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter. It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the virus. Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other cats would get the virus. Some cats are able to build an immune response and fight off the virus. I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA
Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix mine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society. Last week a 2 year old kitty died. She tested positive for FeLV. I got her as a kitten and at that time she tested negative. I have got quite a few cats that have been living with me as long as she has been with me. They all share the same food bowls and litterboxes. None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten that comes into my house has been tested first. It terrified me when I found out she had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has been living with me since he was 8 weeks old. Today I had him and an older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office. The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old. They both came out negative. A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested negative as well. So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the others have said because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and there is no need to panic right now. The vet felt that since those kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long that if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it. Especially the cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half. A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her healthy cats for years. She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV and they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats. I would vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the basement and if she tests negative in a few months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test I would let her in the rest of the house with the other cats. But, that's what I would do, not necessarily what you should do. Actually, I would trust the vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together. But it's your cats and you have to make that decision. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about. I felt the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with the virus. You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test positive on the IFA test. If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter. It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the virus. Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other cats would get the virus. Some cats are able to build an immune response and fight off the virus. I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA. Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap test, the ELISA test and continued to test negative on the IFA test. As a precaution, we tested again 30 days later, and he continued to test negative on all three tests. His body built an immune defense and fought off the virus --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM Hello, I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they said she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The vet said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did not have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering. However, I have three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will escape to the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a nice cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the basement about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 6' tall cage so she will have more room I do hate
Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
Not that I know of, Sharyl, but think we'll hear from her as soon as she's able to email. She said she has a little netbook that she took with her. Thanks! Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the update Gloria. MC is a real asset on all the FeLV groups. Sending well wishes her way. Is there anythign we can do? Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 4:30:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine Just know Mary Christine thru this group. Got her on my church prayer list. Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine - she had heart bypass surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State. The update from a friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular room, and doing well. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
That's very much appreciated, I know! I know her from this and other lists, but for quite a few years now. She's in New York, I'm in Arkansas. So nice connecting w folks all over. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Just know Mary Christine thru this group. Got her on my church prayer list. Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine - she had heart bypass surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State. The update from a friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular room, and doing well. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in the garbage. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:01 AM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I like hearng about people's experiences on this sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating. And I just have to say, well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me out! Share something interesting today. --- www.twitter.com/smallspark --- On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
I agree. I do think they serve a useful purpose on other areas. Guess they like flies. But with cats, they're crazy folks. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the cats they kill. I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!! Lorrie On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be successful. But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. Just some thoughts- Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls. We never have problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it before and you trust. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California. With the girls we may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though. Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months. And with the boys, the sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers. If you are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as soon as possible. If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable to an indoor only home. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] strains?
I've never heard of a test for subgroups but they just have it.. Hey from my baby Shakespeare! He's a sweetie ! Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: I sometimes wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present FELV's are. I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV, Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great Hi Gloria, Do you know if there is a way to test for the strain? I never heard of it at a regular vet, but there must be some way? I, too, wonder the same thing. I also wonder if mixing subgroups makes a difference to each others' health - ie, if a kitty with a weaker strain is mixed with a more agressive one, will this effect him? so much we don't know. I have a Shakespeare, too!! He's my FIV boy. :) Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment
Thanks that's interesting , glad to know that. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: On the cancer list I heard of a product called ES Clear, it has Slippery Elm, Chinese Rhubarb and a couple of other ingredients. Several have indicated they felt it helped their kitties quality of life--it is indicated for cancer, but, mentioning in case it might have general use (since I'm sure it's not actually a cure for cancer). On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall. Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago? http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f elv.html - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You can contact them regarding these herbs; I have. http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php - very basic info on FeLV Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie
Also wonderful to know about-thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:14 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Betty Boswell is my all time pick. 502-499-9663. She is in Louisville. Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville. Susan studied under Betty. Both have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic medicine. I drive to Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my critters to Middletown Animal Hospital 502-245-9311. All of the vets there are the greatest and celebrated when I took death off the table when I took Dixie to them. Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and Frankfort is a lot closer. Betty and MAC have evening hours. If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you. Good luck. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: Sorry, hit send before I was ready.., I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Where in Kentucky are you? I ask because I live there and have a holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office. She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob. Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger before they invited them to dinner. On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky. I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later. He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily. Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences! ---Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI
Impressive! I'd like to know more. Thanks for posting your info Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: My cat was diagnosed 2 years ago with the same thing. He went on an aggressive therapy of Interferon and LTCI with good results. He now test negative, however, with being on Prednisolone, it may just be hiding. My story is a very long one, with a lot of history! You are welcome to email me at cstet...@hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Sharon Fazio sharon.annfa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I want to introduce myself and my very beautiful Ragdoll kitten Kelsea who tested positive for FeLV in the bone marrow ( I know it is not a good thing) . Kelsea was diagnose with FeLV about 8 weeks ago. Right now she is doing wonderful on the treatment plan her vet has her on, which includes Interferon, Atopic and a steroid. She was on dimethylgycine to build up her red blood cells, she has been off the dimethlgycine for about two weeks now. At this point all her all her blood work is normal. She is putting on weight; over 2 pounds since her diagnoses. To look at this little one you would not even know she was sick. : ) I’m hoping someone could let me know anything about LTCI. I’m not thinking about change Kelsea’s med now, since she is doing so well. I would just like a little more information on LTCI. i.e. what kind of success has it had in FeLV. I am also wondering what are the chances the FeLV will go into remission if it is in the bone marrow? Kelsea’s vet tell me that the chances are very low, but I just need to know if it has happen to anyone out there. Many Purrr to all, Kelsea and Sharon ( Kelsea’s Mom) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
I'm writing this on my phone so limited on what I can write. But everyone of course follows their own heart on this. I've been mixing mine for a few years As others do with no problem. I think they hype up the contagion something terrible. I just don't think it that contagious. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Stephanie \(Merkel\) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
No have not- can you take possibly? Will work on transport if so. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: have you had any replies to this cat? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 7:35:35 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near the Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any options? They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers? Thanks, Gloria Begin forwarded message: On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote: Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on ATT -Original message- From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00 Subject: persian Belinda, I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all have been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is dumping in this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a very tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will neuter him and get him ready to go. Let me know and I understand if you do not know anyone. This is a hard one. Thanks, Donna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: FeLV question
See note below from Natalie - need help with felv mama and babies in Connecticut . Gloria Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Natalie Jarnstedt ati...@gmail.com Date: November 21, 2010 11:05:19 AM CST To: 'Gloria Lane' gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: FeLV question Gloria - I am in Mexico right now, am receiving all felvtalk mail but cannot post replies because my email address is not being accepted by the felvtalk monitor.unfortunately, they just notified methe question below is of the utmost importance and I was hoping to get some feedback on it for my friend with the problem (see below). Could you kindly post it for me. Thank you so much - Natalie P.S. Although it clearly says that my e-mail is sent from the correct address, it actually goes out as gmail from here (not listed as member of felvtalk!) -Original Message- From: Natalie Jarnstedt [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: FeLV question Hi, I hope that someone might have some advice for a fellow animal rescuer in CT who has a problem, with which I cannot help her because I haven't had much exposure to FeLV over the years - please see her note below; any help would be much appreciated! Natalie Help. Do you guys have ANY ideas on what to do? I rescued a mom cat and her 7 12-week old kittens. They have been boarded and cared for at the vet hospital for one month, where mom was spayed and everyone received shots, deworming, etc. Mom has tested negative for FeLV three times. The last two times using the IFA test. Three kittens first tested borderline on the Snap test, then one month later tested positive on the IFA test. One who originally tested negative ended up positive on the IFA test. Everybody has been tested multiple times using both tests. This leaves: Mom - negative 2 kittens - negative 4 kittens - positive The veterinarians are all baffled. Recommend to retest in 6 months, and to treat the negative ones as though they would be turning positive. I still think the negative ones should be kept away from the confirmed positive ones. The catch is that I need to get them out of the vet, hopefully by Monday, and that I have no place to go with them now. I am possibly looking at having to have them all put down which I don't know if I could bring myself to do it BUT I don't know of any other options. Hard to believe in 25 years this has never happened to me. I cannot bring them to our cat house, and I cannot bring them into my house. I have NO place to isolate. Do you guys have ANY suggestions, ideas, resources, etc I am without options and running out of time. Claudia straysandoth...@optonline.net ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser
Well it doesn't give a location ... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com wrote: Forgive me... but can anyone vouch for this organization? I apologize in advance for my skepticism, but this comes across as a classic scam. Mike From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; susan_hoff...@yahoo.com; Colin Starrett colinstarr...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:09:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser please cross post to all groups and rescues We Need Heroes, people willing to step up and help these furry kids. we here at Second Chance have been giving these little ones a home with love and care to over 30 cats, for over 8 years . We are totally out of pocket. Our vet bills run in the average of hundreds ( we have 10 cats with us now) and that's when they are in good health. when they get sick the vet costs can raise dramatically. food costs average about 100.00 per month. vitamins, food supplements to help boost their immune systems, litter, climbing trees, waterfalls ( for high o2 content), toys, beds, perscriptions all come out of our pockets. Please we need HEROES to help us in our fight to keep these cats for being KILLED http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows-xmas-fund-raiser Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:04:21 PM Subject: Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
Im so aorry for your loss. My vet said the virus lasts only a short while outside the body, a minute or so. Healthy adult cats have good immunity to it anyhow. I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary cleaning or waiting when they pass away. In my opinion don't worry about it. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you -
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
Might add the lysine to chicken broth and syringe it. Or add to food. It can taste pretty yukky just plain. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap), it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form, pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250 mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very long time. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] treatment updates
Thanks Gary! I don't have any sick Felv cats right now but have had plenty and wondered about and tried various treatments. Glad to get your info. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:45 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Unfortunately, these updates are not good news. ACEMANNAN: I used this to save several FeLV cats, it works. Sadly, the company that made it - Carrington Labs - went out of business and it is no longer available. On Saturday I will give the last of my Acemannan to a sick kitty and hope that will be enough. STAPH PROTEIN A: I have never had the chance to use this, but there were some pretty encouraging trials a few years ago and my vet got some from a university. The vet said it worked very well in temporarily reversing anemia in Felv cats, giving them another 5 or 6 months of good health. This product was never approved for the treatment of animals and is stricly used in biological research. You must be a legitimate bio researcher to buy it and you must swear it will never get into the hands of anyone not authorized to use it. So, in reality, you cannot get it. Would the list owner please update the website about these treatments. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I have to say my experience is pretty much the same as Terrie's. With my first FeLV kitties, Calawalla Banana Booboo and Mr Black Kitty, I was pretty paranoid. I think it was 2001. But even the vet reassured mr that the virus wasn't that contagious. I relaxed a bit. At some point I decided to mix and have never had a problem. My friend Susan - we're in the same rescue - has the same experience. Gloria Little Rock, Ar Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Melinda, Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don't any now. My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow. He died from secondary illnesses. Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took. Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died. My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV. So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not. I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats. In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV
Might also check out http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html Regarding the two stages of viremia, and what the elisa test and the Ifa test are for. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:10 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Rachel, check with the vets to see what test was used. There has been a lot of reports of false positives with the new IDEXX heartworm/FeLV/FIV combo test. If that was the test used please arrange for the IFA test before making any decisions about Oscar. Sharyl --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 10:45 PM Hi- I work with a nonprofit animal rescue based in Cincinnati, Ohio. Two weeks ago we took in an owner-surrender cat who tested positive yesterday for FeLV. We had him retested this evening at another facility and that test also came back positive. Unfortunately we do not have any fosters who can accommodate an FeLV-positive cat out of concern for our own and other foster animals. I am trying desperately to find alternate placement for Oscar locally, but am not having a lot of success. Oscar is a purebred odd-eyed white Persian cat. He is about three years old and is asymptomatic. He was purchased from a breeder as a kitten and was kept as an indoor-only cat in a household with no other cats. Does anyone here know of any resources or organizations that may be able to take Oscar in? We are willing to transport Oscar (within reason). He has been neutered and will be fully vaccinated prior to placement. I would absolutely hate for this friendly, gorgeous cat to be euthanized simply because alternate placement cannot be found. Thank you, Rachel Richardson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Transfactor plus
Well I usually assume it's someone eying to send something other than a text message, and it just doesn't get handled right. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:29 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I HAVE HAD A FEW OF THOSE. ANYONE KNOW WHAT CAUSES IT? Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: It was garbled at this end too Lorrie On 08-03, trmckel...@charter.net wrote: hi Stacy, Your message came through garbled, see below :-) Can't say if I'm the only one, but if you could resend, it would help. If you're asking about transfer factor plus, I've used it with my FeLV+ cats. Terry Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: = SGkgSSBhcG9sb2dpemUgaW4gYWR2YW5jZSBmb3IgdGhlIGZvcm1hdHRpbmcgaW4gdGhlIGVtYWls LiBNeSBwaG9uZSBzZWVtcyB0byBhZGQgcXVlc3Rpb24gbWFya3MgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiBwZXJpb2Rz LiAgIFNwYW5reSBpcyBub3QgZG9pbmcgd2VsbCBhdCBhbGwuICBJIGFtIG5vdCBzdXJlIHRoZSBs dGNpIGlzIGhlbHBpbmcuIEhlJ3Mgc2xlZXBpbmcgYWxsIGRheSBhbmQgbG9va3MgaG9ycmlibGUg YW5kIEkgaGFkIHRvIHBsYWNlIGhpbSBpbiB0aGUgbGl0dGVyYm94IHRvIHVyaW5hdGUuIEkgYW0g Y2FsbGluZyB0aGUgdmV0IHRvZGF5IGJ1dCBoZSdzIGdvaW5nIHdlZWtseSBmb3IgaGlzIGluamVj dGlvbnMgYW5kIGlzIG9uIGludGVyZmVyb24gYXMgd2VsbC4gIEkgYW0gbm90IHN1cmUgd2hhdCBl bHNlIHRvIGRvLiBDb3VsZCBzb21lb25lIHBsZWFzZSBzZW5kIG1lIHRoZSBsaW5rIHRvIHRyYW5z ZmFjdG9yIHBsdXMgPyAgVGhpcyBkaXNlYXNlIHNlZW1zIHNvIGhvcGVsZXNzLiAgVGhhbmtzIGZv ciBhbGwgeW91ciBoZWxwIGFuZCBwdXJyYXllcnMuICBTdGFjeSBhbmQgc3Bhbmt5 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
So Island doesn't sell it anymore? There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] needing support
Good one! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote: Next time a doc warns you of some possibility of an off the wall disease that you could get ask him if the risk is greater or less than the risk of you getting hurt in an automobile accident while driving to his office He probably won't give you an answer but watch the expression on his face... The risk in a car accident is hundreds or thousands of time more likely than many things that we worry about... Tad Heather wrote: Oops, correction, people are often misinformed by their human doctors. My vet said she can't believe some of the things people tell her that their have doctors told them. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think you are referring to Toxoplasmosis, I too wondered if perhaps Julie was misinformed and that was what she was referring to as I know of no reasons that any human being around an FELV+ cat is a problem. For anecdoctal value, I am somewhat immune compromised and have cared for a Toxo+ cat with no problems. I mentioned to my vet how sad it is, the # of people misinformed by their vets who think that pregnant women must get rid of their cats and she agreed--she is a very cautious person and has had 2 babies of her own in the last 3 years, she said she even scooped her own litterboxes (not to mention all she does at their cat only vet practice). She indicated that it takes something like 48 hrs. for toxo to even begin to develop after a cat has defecated (something like this) so it's mostly a risk for people who don't keep their boxes clean. Anyway, I would never want to steer anyone wrong so hopefully someone else will pipe in, but to my knowledge there is no reason for anyone, pregnant, baby or otherwise, to worry about being around an FELV+ kitty. Julie, you obviously care about these kitties very much and it is to be commended! I do resecue and all we seem to hear day in and day out is people who are NOT willing to even do the smallest thing to help a cat in need, let alone all you are doing. Wishing you the best with these special babies! Please do post the test results. Heather On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote: There is a disease that pregnant women can get from the litter box cleaning... It is very rare and I think you have to stick your fingers in your mouth after handling litter in order to get it... I don't think it has anything to do with FeLV It can cause brain damage to the fetus if you should get it and that is why some doctors make such a big deal about it But if you wash your hands after cleaning litter box or wear gloves or even better get daddy to do litter duty than it is almost impossible that you will get it Tad Julie Dalesio Gladnick wrote: Hi Tad- Thank you so much for your supportive words. I am so sorry to hear about your girl kitty, but it certainly does bring some perspective and reality. I think I will take your advice and let them be together at least until the second test; they are so much happier. I guess my hesitancy is that I don't think I could deal if they both were positive. Then again, I never imagined dealing with either of them facing this. Do anyone have any info on pregnant woman or babies and FeLV cats? I've obviously read that they should not be together, but does anyone have actual experience? I've been finding that a lot of info online tends to be pretty negative. Thanks again, I feel truly grateful. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote: Hi Julie You have come to the right place... We all have a similar story to tell... Your story is exactly like mine.. Two black and white tux kittens.. Boy was pos and girl was neg... I didn't have room to separate them and the vet advised that she surely she had been exposed and she might be one of the few that have a strong natural immunity or else she wouldgo pos at some time later... Anyway she got vaccinated but not separated The 2 were very close and played together all the time.. I remember thinking how sad it was going to be when the pos one got sick and passed on leaving her As fate would have it the neg one stopped eating one evening after only a month... Took her to the vet 1st thing in the morning and she got some emergenct treatment but she died while still at the vets in the middle of the morning The vet said it was FIP... The point is there are many things that can take a cat early... My pos boy lived on for seven years... During his life I got hms several other pos kitties and most of the he out lived too... There is also a good chance that the 1st test is a false pos... Do get that 2nd test and we will all hope for the best... If it were me I would let the stay together... Keep
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
Nope don't know about that list mc but interested. I'll check it out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds. the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a truly positive FeLV increases their lifespan! (anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that looked really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the discussion.) as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and Western Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and insists upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Well actually dandelion has some nice therapeutic benefits. And they MIGHt consent to cheese. But I've never had one consent to hot sauce! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
There's also some thought that adult cats have enough natural immunity that they don't easily get felv. Gloria On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I'm sure different vets have different opinions I like the one your vet has. With 14 cats it's very expensive keeping up with and paying for all these shots. L. On 03-27, Laurieskatz wrote: My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. Tessa, my last rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually tested new cats at least twice before introducing to the others. I don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would vaccinate the others - at least the first shot and first booster. My vet thinks the first two (30 days apart) will protect for life. L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
That's great. I love it! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Good letter! I'll send one too. Lorrie On 01-26, Laurieskatz wrote: Here is what I wrote to this address: edi...@bestfriends.org Dear Editor: The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years. They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they were. They were playful and fully engaged in life. Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so. I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued. Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment by an internal medicine specialist. Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease. Sincerely, Laurie Crawford Stone Cedar Rapids, Iowa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
Yes that's one standard way that vets treat it. But when it gets bad you can't just increase steroid dosage without some other risks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they put him on steroids...is this not done any longer? Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500 From: lernermiche...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend? thanks, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
What treatment did your alternative vet use? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+. She was fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please try her. On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote: Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis. I'd never seen a huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him! Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to try steroid. I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet. He was actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few days before we opted to have him eithanized. Janine From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used 1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well) 2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat) 3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent, kitty comes down with other things 4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed (worked pretty well) There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name right now, have to look it up. It was pretty good. I'm sure there are some other options. As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by several different things... Best of luck, Gloria On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend? thanks, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New - how to preserve the health of Healthy FELV+ kittens
I give interferon alpha once daily till they are past 3 or 4 yrs old, to boost the immune system. Gloria On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: I have been fostering for a big city shelter and although I almost always tested new cats when they came to me and kittens before they were introduced into the general herd, I ended up this year with 4 FELV+ kittens less than 1 year old. Three of these tested negative when they came to me and the fourth and youngest was born at my house from a pregnant mom that also tested negative. I am adopting all of these guys now. I am working my way through reading the archives of this list, but is there a consensus on best practice for treating kittens and cats while they are still healthy before they experience problems related to FELV to keep them as healthy as possible? Thanks! Trissa in Philly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] fungal infections? and What to feed?
Thanks, I didn't know that, about the licking. I've also used Zantac for my CRF kitties, about 1/4 tablet. Gloria On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Belinda Thanks for the answer. You may be right with my Daisy. She has always had stomach issues occassional vomiting after eating. Undigested food Sally On 11/7/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Licking before, during or after eating usually means acid tummy, pepcid AC will help with that, CRF kitties commonly have this and get pepcid AC (regular strength only, not maximum strength). They usually start out with a 1/4 pill every other day and work up to a daily does if that isn't enough. Too much pepcid will also cause tummy upset so only use the minimum amount required to take care of the problem. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was losing weight. Sally On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote: Hi all, I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything. thanks in advance for any ideas. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
I've got two that are over 10. I have 3 that are under 4. I'm giving the ones under 4, daily oral interferon alpha - hopefully help them make it past 3 yrs. Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:54 PM, catatonya wrote: I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big no. I've got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me right now. Fat, sassy, and happy. tonya SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
Kerry, I've used one of Dr. Pitcairn's recipes for diarrhea, quite a few years ago - had rice in it, and some other ingredients I dont recall. I used it for Mr. Black Kitty, who was FELV/FIV positive. IT worked really well. I didn't use it exactly, used canned chicken rather than raw, and it still worked well. After a few weeks, I switched to a canned lamb and rice food, and he still did well on it. Just fyi - Gloria On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all, My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found in the street at 3 weeks. When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of this kind on a kitten. I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may have found in treating kittens' loose stools. Thanks! Kerry M. _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
What state do you live in now, Tad? Gloria (in Arkansas) On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Kelley Funny thing about the heart I knew my blood pressure was high for 15 or 20 years but never did anything about it... I was probably in better shape half way through my hospital stay than I have been in a long time... I do every thing that I did before except for a new diet and $300 a month for pills I probably am a lot better than I would have been... The other thing is if you take in 33 FeLV+ cats in 5 years the 9 that I now have are probably the 1/3 that can live for 8 or more years so I guess its time I started getting my numbers down As things are now they will all stay here but just no more new ones Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: OMG. I am so sorry to hear about your heart attack. I wish you a speedy recovery. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan Every one has orange kitties lately... I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months ago and discovered I was having a heart attack the next morning... 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and 12 seniors and am learning to say NO In the mean time there are 4 6month old orange kittens in eastern Mass. that are running out of time Help Tad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today
I'm so sorry, Wendy - He has lots of friends at the bridge... May he be happy and forever young. Gloria On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wendy Griebel wrote: My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer and was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly. Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens
Hi Pamela, I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not reviewing former emails first. And if they test positive, you may be able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your Virginia area. Best of luck - thanks for caring, Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia. I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if these babies will be positive. ! Please, if anyone knows of some place that will take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in touch with the rescue who is handling them. I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for adoption. http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens
I understand - think you may have a typo, I didn't give you any estimates, so don't understand that - but best of luck to you and to them. Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I can not keep them if they test positive. Based on your estimates, when we saw her skinny, when she brought them to us, their weight when we first weighed them etc, put the birth of the kittens around June 20th -June 27th. So, they are around 3 months old now. They go for their spaying and FL tests on Monday and if they are positive, there is no where for them to go and they will have to be put down. If they test negative, they will go to Pet Smart or the rescue can take them. Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pamela, I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not reviewing former emails first. And if they test positive, you may be able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your Virginia area. Best of luck - thanks for caring, Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia. I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if these babies will be positive. ! Please, if anyone knows of some place that will take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in touch with the rescue who is handling them. I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for adoption. http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten returned
Just wanted to say I'm so very sorry that Zing Zing lost a home, because of this vet's ignorance and lack of compassion. It is indeed difficult for people to decide to mix pos and neg. Vets in general seem so un-knowledgeable about FELV and FIV, except for a little book learning. Gloria On Sep 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Lorrie wrote: I wrote earlier in the week about the FelV kitten I had adopted. Then yesterday there was a knock on the door and the people who had taken him brought him back!Apparently they had trouble keeping him confined in one part of their house, as he is a very active kitten, and their vet scared them half to death warning them about the danger to their other two cats being exposed to this positive kitten. She cried when she brought him back with all the cat toys they'd bought for him, and I felt like crying too. I suppose the vet had to warn them, but I think he went overboard and little Zing Zing lost a wonderful home. I'm really upset about this. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad
I know it's a difficult situation, but there are rescues and rescuers that take FELV cats/kittens. And if he chooses to keep him, would be such a gift. What I do to boost the immune system - and it works well - is to give 1cc interferon once daily to my FELV kitties that are less than 3 -4 years old. Different vet sell interferon alpha for different amounts of $$. I shopped around and found a vet who would sell me a big supply that lasts several months, for $15. I buy it from him, mix it as instructed, and freeze it in small containers, so that I can get it and unfreeze as needed. I give 1cc daily with a 3cc syringe. Best of luck, Gloria On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not posted for a while about kiwi. I think the last one I told you that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan. He never did. Before that I tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings. I have no funds to get him to vet. Sad to say, kiwi is really sick. He is unable to keep food down. He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat. I gave him just a little wet food, and he through it all up. He does drink a little water. I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down. He used his kitty litter in the last day or so. Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food. He didn't throw it up, but he had diarrhea and he was bony. He was always full of energy. I can't let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to sleep. I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer anymore. To you who have not read my earlier postings, I did not adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling. He bought him home and we did our usual thing and gave him kitten formula and kitten food. He thrived. My daughter who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided to take kiwi also. (this one time) Sadly, Kiwi came out positive for feline leukemia. We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8 months old, and again he came back positive. We new that we would not be able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue. None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/ cat. We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large county, but no one could take him. So we did the best we could for him, but it wasn't enough. I don't blame anyone. It's just how it is. It's just so hard when your hands are tied. Well, I better go for now. I will let you know what happened. Bye, Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sharkey Please add to the CLS :(
What a beautiful kitty - I'm so sorry he didn't make it to live longer. Gloria On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well he was going to get to go home with his foster parents when he was well enough to,but he had worsen very quickly. We lost him on the 18th. He was a beautiful gray and white fluffy boy.He had a loving home for 5 months. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Note from MC
Absolutely - thanks for passing this on to us. Gloria On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi All, Got a note from MC about a former very active member of the list, some may remember Mari, the screen name she used was spiritcat. She lives in the Houston area and was hit pretty hard by hurricane Ike. She's got a lot of very special-needs kitties--two leggers, in diapers, etc.--and they've been without power since Ike hit, and will be without it for maybe another two weeks. She has been in touch with MC and a few others and when asked if there was anything they could do for her she jokingly replied, take up a collection for us to buy ice: it's $2.50 a POUND.!! So MC asked if I could post this to the group, that if anyone could spare a dollar or two to please contact MC at her email here: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]. If you can monetarily great, if not, please send prayers that they get power back soon, thanks everyone! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel
I'm so sorry - thanks for letting us know. Gloria On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong enough to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a prayer for them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS(nonFELV)
Problem is, if you turn these shelter people in, and you're a rescuer, these folks may take it out on you and your pets/rescues. Gloria On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:38 AM, Alice hanson wrote: Kelley, that is one of the worst things I have ever heard!!! That place ought to have their license pulled. It is a blatant error! I feel so bad for you and those poor innocent beings. Where is this place? Alice - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (nonFELV) Kelley that is just aweful!!! I am sickened by this.bless their little souls. Sherry --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV) To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:50 PM Hi guys, I'm very sad today. We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat and a cat with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a nursing home). We were supposed to pick them up today. The shelter rescue coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two days ago. Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all handicapped kitties. I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these cats were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescutieshttp://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of Revolution on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal parasites. I also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a little bit (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites. I buy homeopathic anti-diarrhea tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food store and use it for some forms of diarrhea. I like the canned pumpkin for diarrhea too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will only take him to the vets as needed. I am a little worried because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have some type of deficiency. He might need it this time just to see where he stands. He hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
I'm so glad you joined this group - I remember when I found my little kitten Calawalla Banana BooBoo, in 2001, and she looked so darned healthy - so lively, and she tested positive for FELV and I just didn't know anything about it. Fortunately, I had a vet who didn't sugggest euth. and who said not to worry, the virus dies when it hits the air, etc etc. I kept her separated from my other cats for a while - even taped paper to the bottom of the door. But after rading and talking and being on this list, I finally decided to just open the doors up and mix the cats. WOrked fine. Calawalla died in 2004. I knew about interferon, from Tally and her web site, but never used it - just didn't think that healthy little kitten would get sick and die. But she did, she was between 2.5 and 3 yrs old.It seemed fairly sudden, but she had mediastinal lymphoma. Anyhow, I'm a believer in daily interferon, if the kitties are less than 4 years old. I have a friend with 1 FELV cat and 1 non-FELV cat. She's used oral low dose interferon for her FELV cat, and kitty has made it past kittenhood into adult hood (must be 5 or 6 now). There are vastly different prices available for interferon. BTW, I have 5 FELV cats right now - 1 is 5, 2 are around 13 years, and the new one is a year or two - I'm starting him on interferon. SOunds like your kitten may have some additional problems, but he may turn out ok - I'd encourage you to go ahead and pursue keeping him healthy, and also look into interferon. Chicken sounds like a good option for upset stomach, btw. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
I'm so sorry - I agree, I have little faith in chemo for cats. And this is such a personal decision to make. There is some chemo that has helped in situations I've had with lymphoma cats, but it seems to be in shrinking lymph nodes temporarily. I've had fluid drawn out of chest areas also, and that's also helped extend their life and comfort. I think it was vincristine that we used for these kitties, and it seemed to help hold things at bay for a while, with mediastinal lymphoma. IT didnt seem very harsh, and the vet confirmed that. Also had 1 blood transfusion per cat and that helped. There is a Wisconsin protocol, where the chemo is alternated, and I've never used it, but it sounded effective in some situations, possibly. Best of luck to you. Gloria On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele, Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness. It's very helpful and comforting to hear from people what have been through something similar and/or who truly care. I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to do. My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of mistake, she is indeed FeLV+. Over this past weekend, she suddenly stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a tuxedo) to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and she was lethargic. The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC count twice what it should be. Analysis of the bone marrow points to lymphoma. The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in Veterinary oncologists. I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or worse, that it will cause suffering. Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's leg. My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins. He offered amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger dogs and even cats do perfectly well with three legs). It turns out it was really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week later, Rebel had a tumor on his back. The tumor on his leg grew back and continued to grow despite chemotherapy. It was the size of a large honeydew. But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a miracle. There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel. Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and radiation when she was diagnosed with oral melanoma. My Veterinarian told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment. I went to an oncologist anyway and was told there was a 20% chance the treatment would help. So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a week before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors. I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want to do what's best for our furry family members. It's just so hard to know what is best. But your support and advice have been my saving grace this week. I no longer feel quite so alone. Thank you. -- Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
Yup, I remember using Prednisone too - and it did help. I'm not sure, but I think it not only suppresses symptoms, but suppresses the inflammation, so guess less fluid collecting in the chest area (or whereever). Gloria On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Gloria.I think what's adding to the fact that I have little faith in the Veterinary community is the fact that it seems as though many veterinarians don't know a whole lot about FeLV. It's difficult because I expect to be able to turn to the Veterinarians so I can get accurate information and make an informed decision. But the ones I've spoken to don't seem to have much info at all. In fact, my regular Veterinarian thought my Emma had a large tumor. It turns out that what she was feeling was a very full bladder. Argh For now, I'm going ahead with the Prednisone. Since starting her on it, her appetite is back, so maybe she'll regain some strength. I hope everyone and their kitties has a relaxing, comfortable weekend. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
I'm so sorry to hear that, Laura. All our kitties will welcome Duncan and your other baby to the Bridge where they will no longer have suffering. Sleep soft, sweet Duncan. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update
That's wonderful, Caroline!! Gloria On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged seizures: By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my choice, I knew it was going to go well. The more people I talked to about it, the more people said there was something wrong with those people at that house and having him out of there was the most important thing. But he's just gotten better and better. I have no trouble medicating him at all. Just those first few times. He's actually one of the easiest I've ever medicated now!! I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super fast-- he's a good boy! The odd aggressive behavior is lessened. He totally trusts me already and is a complete love-bug. He is just a quirky, willful little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run around and be hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up, he does that growling, but it's funny/harmless. Most importantly, no seizures-- no signs of seizures. I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he never left me with the way he responds to me! So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George Cat yesterday! He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the doctor's lap and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything! It's great to watch. Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe those people said they were going to put him down! He said this is not a cat you even consider that with! He agrees there was possible abuse. But he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the exam room- that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's very possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the people- since they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted. He said that's very possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it might just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that could be why he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them). He said since there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to change anything. Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth. Then he wants to see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a phenobarb level at that time. Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and monitoring the level. He said if we start taking him off and he has a seizure- then we know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will control it. But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at all. No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no signs-- totally alert and bright. He said if it was FIP, there'd be other neurological signs, like ataxia. But also, I don't know if I told you that?- adoptive parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo, felv, fiv- neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work looks great. Good news all around! He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have him back in my care! Thanks for everyone's input, care and concern! Caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
I too have little experience with seizures. I have heard of using steroids, rather than phenobarb, for seizures, but dont know anything about it.. I've recently been around a kitten that moved in a tight circle, we suspected brain injury, so appreciate that info Michele.. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores. Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could happen. One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing it too much I have to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid a seizure. -- Michele -- Original message -- From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It appears the non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had severe UTIs and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I feel that I literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their UTIs-- are coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I was unable to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to get to them until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or a congenital heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe of dry FIP or Toxo). Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some point) was returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a lady I did not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original rescue (it's a long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was always the most hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he would make mince-meat of this old lady and her husband. They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the end of July. He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm not clear on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took blood, didn't find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the seizures started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having difficulty reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive parents say he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed seems to have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to examine. The vet put him on clavamox for the nails. They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more seziures and the vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV and most importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV). We are awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the earliest and of course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't necessarily expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo titers are thru the roof (but even still?). Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected than I would like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly droop that I am NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which the vet treated him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again, if he's having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to look unhealthy on the outside. The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate him. They were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and Clavamox. The lady said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has bit her many times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his wife is not in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he can't have the cat doing that to her so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I asked if he was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken that
Re: [Felvtalk] Gloria/ question
Hey Jane - ]]\ I haven't used it in a year or two, so I'll have to check my dosage. I used instructions from the vet I got it from and used Tally's instructions at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html In fact it was originally Tally who promoted it's use here. This is human interferon, not Omega Interferon. As I recall, I mixed it as per the vets instructions, then put it in smaller tubs which I would thaw out periodically to use . When I originally got it from my vet, the cost was excessive. Like $60 for a fairly small bottle. I found different prices with different vets, and finally found it (unmixed) for $15 from a sympathetic vet, and started mixing it myself (as per his instructions and Tallys instructions, except I used plastic tubs not syringes. Gloria On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Gloria I am going to follow your advice. My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered with the exception of mildly inflamed gums. Last week she had a relapse with some sneezing and a mild runny nose. Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should begin interferon. Would you tell me what you use and how? I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never offered it as an alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and what dosage to give. If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the first year. I appreciate your advice. Jane On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Welcome to the list! I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary food. Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have rescue cats. But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma, and they're over 10. I've had them for a few years, the previous owner had them for quite a few. They're not on anything special, except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped. Go figure. All my FELV cats are over 3. The problems I've had are at the age 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age. My current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs. I have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're doing great too! Thanks for writing and for joining the list! Gloria in Arkansas At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens beFeLV+??
I don't know the groups in Southern New Jersey (although I lived there many years ago) - but some group will gladly help you with testing and s/n. Yes, the kittens would most likely be euthanized at a shelter, if FELV +.Good chance they'd be euthanized even if negative. BTW, some vets will spay a pregnant cat, depending on how far along, some won't. Let us know what the test results are! Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote: and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash. Isobel is showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples). She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV. My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too? I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet. If she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. If I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away? I don't want that to happen. I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more kittens?? When I take her to the vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
I know that the party line is that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and I've always understood that. But I know of a vet in Oklahoma who *did* advocate vaccinating FELVs as a part of enhancing the immune response. Surprised me, but the cats I got were from that project were 10 years old and healthy. I have not continued the vaccinating. 2 of them since died, once immediately after transport to Arkansas, the other one died last year after I came back from vacation. The other 2 are still with me (and maybe 12-13 years old.) Ya never know... Gloria On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sabrina wrote: She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
Agreed here - they're completely separate -kitty doesn't need vaccinations prior to spay/neuter. Gloria On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Marylyn wrote: He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason to vaccinate. On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote: So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
Tabby's Place perhaps? http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Gloria On Aug 5, 2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote: Hi, Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat. Female, young (between 1-3 years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date on vaxes before rehomed. The cat was abandoned at the shelter I work at, she tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find a home in a week. She will be pts if I don't find her a place to go. I can not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs and a husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another cat. Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a carrier. In the new york area...Please help Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:07:09 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. Yipee!!! I am so happy for the good news. Junior started out anemic as well it was actually the first symptom that something was wrong. He was put on Baytril rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It was not as bad as Buzzy's. Great News. Sally Davis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
Might call and ask them who does...?
Gloria
On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote:
I know they take FIV and many other health concerns, but I don't
think they do Felv.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need
help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat Tabby's Place
perhaps? http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Gloria On Aug 5,
2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote:Hi, Need help-seeking
forever home for feluk positive cat. Female, young (between 1-3
years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date on vaxes before
rehomed. The cat was abandoned at the shelter I work at, she
tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find a home in
a week. She will be pts if I don't find her a place to go. I can
not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs and a
husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another
cat. Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a
carrier. In the new york area...Please help Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - ...from veterinarypartner.com... • Oral Lysine Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to determine if supplementation has been helpful. Gloria On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats
I have had FIV cats mixed with non-FIV cats for 4 or 5 years. No problems. I know others in my area who do that too. Our vet supports it. My FIV cats stay pretty darn healthy, like the other cats. So no problem! Hope this helps - Gloria On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM, April and Jay wrote: I am thinking of bring in a sweet sray we've been caring for into our home. He is FIV Positive and non of my cats are. From what I have been reading it only seems to be past on by a deep bite wound. Does anyone have a FIV cat with non FIV cats? He has been very healthy. How long a life do they usely have? Thanks ahead of time! Apri PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design
It does load up faster, James - is that because of the new server or hosting co, or what? Great job - Gloria On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:12 PM, James G Wilson wrote: Hey all, I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website (with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: http://www.felineleukemia.org I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
any contact in Houston, TX?
Anybody have any contacts in Houston, TX? There's an FIV cat down there that I'd like to find a home for. Looking for possible contacts in rescue, and/or at one of the universities, etc. Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Prayers needed AGAIN
Prayers coming for Melina! Gloria On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But maybe she can win just this one more time. THank you all so much Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Sounds good - better safe than sorry. Gloria On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote: Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
Re: OT - sorta
I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: I must be nuts!
Congrats! That's wonderful, Sue. My personal baby is a flame point mix who's over 10 - not FELV, but he used to hang out with 2 of my FELV babies who are not gone to the bridge. So I have a soft heart for flame points. Gloria On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria --- On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now
Re: Prayers needed for Michelle's Patches
I'm so sorry - prayers coming for Patches! Gloria On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:50 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I don't know if this will go through as I don't seem to be getting regular email from the list. But if it does could you please send prayers for former listmember Michelle's (Lerner) Patches. (See below) I haven't been able to post recently in any case, but please know all of you on the list are and always will be very close to my heart. Sending prayers for all your sick furbabes, and my condolences and hugs to all those who have lost a beloved furbaby. Love and thanks for all you do for our furbabies, Kerry Michelle's email: Patches was just diagnosed with lymphoma and needs prayers-- can you ask the list? She is feeling ok; Gray noticed a hard lump on her abdomen. Right now all we know is that she has a subcutaneous lymphoma mass; it's unclear whether it has spread. We have an oncology appointment for tomorrow. If it is only subcutaneous, there are some good survival time statistics, but she is FeLV+, FIV+, diabetic, and hyperthyroid and at least 7 years old (and vet thinks older). Given that, I think she needs a lot of prayers. She is my last positive baby left. thanks, _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Humphrey Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry - sleep soft sweet Humphrey... Gloria On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost yet another sweet Sids kid.Humphrey was a trooper through it all,feeding tube,meds everything Dr. Jen could do to make him better.He lived with her at the clinic during the week and on the weekends someone from the clinic would take him home.We had him at the sanctuary on and off and just this past weekend he was with us.He was a big beautiful gray boy with a sweet soft meow. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Re:
OK Thanks, MC! On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:11 AM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources but give the database time to load--it's BIG. plus, i'll send it on to a feral friend in the area. wait, that didn't come out right.. or maybe it did. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent this message to CentralTexasRescue, but thought I'd check with my FELVtalk friends and see if there's any Texas folks or knowledge out here! This is not an FELV issue, but a feral and s/n issue. I'm know someone in Grand Saline, TX, east of Dallas, who's taking care of some feral cats. He now has a feral mama with babies, and is looking for low-cost spay/neuter resources in his area. I thought I'd see if anybody knows of any low cost s/n in that area - Dallas/Ft Worth, and east of there. Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry - Hope he had a gentle passing, and was greeted joyfully by all our babies at the Bridge. Gloria On May 26, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary babies. Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was talking to me alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I will miss that great boy. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment
I think James needs to change the default so that the REPLY goes to the list not the individual. Gloria On May 21, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Chris wrote: I have a feeling that the difference is that you now have to “reply to all” to reply to the list—otherwise the mail just goes to the person who posted it. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:30 PM To: MacKenzie, Kerry N.; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment I am having the same problem. Not many emails here either. Sally On 5/21/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for that Sally. I must find time to look at it. On a different note, I don't think the list can be working. Replies to emails from the list seem to go only to the respondee, unless Reply to All is chosen. I'll try to contact James tomorrow. What sort of service are you getting? Normal, or hardly anything? Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment Hi Folks, I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7 days in a dry environment. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/askDr/FeLVEnvironment.pdf -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment
Hmmm, this is what I get out of it. What they seem to be saying is that there are 2 kind of viruses, enveloped viruses and non-enveloped viruses. The enveloped ones break down more easily. FELV is an enveloped virus, as are FIPV, FIV, and HIV. They did some tests with other enveloped viruses, and depending on the conditions, the virus lasted longer than was expected. They did not, however, do tests on the FELV virus, and couldn't find any that had been done on FELV; but they're assuming that it's possibly true that this virus can last longer in the environment that they thought (or not). This is an excerpt from that article - a paragraph about FELV is underlined and bigger: --- ... For years it was assumed that the enveloped FIPV and the other feline coronaviruses were quite labile and did not survive outside the cat any length of time, perhaps a matter of hours. However, studies in our laboratory on the survivability of FIPV on contaminated objects provided surprising results. Aliquots of an infectious viral preparation were dried onto Petri dishes and allowed to remain at room temperature for up to seven weeks. At varying times samples were assayed for infectious virus. There was some loss of infectivity during the drying process, but then the amount of infectious virus remained relatively constant with only a gradual decrease in viability. FIPV virus could be recovered up to seven weeks from these dried samples. Results of studies on other parvoviruses, herpesviruses, and coronaviruses of animals were consistent with our findings. [Brown, AmJVetRes 42:1033-36, 1981] I have attempted to find published controlled studies that address the survivability of FeLV in the environment, but to date I have been unable to find a creditable report in the literature. Absent such a study, what can we learn from other studies that can reasonably predict what occurs with FeLV. Van Bueren et al. [J. Clin. Microbiol. 32(2):571-574, 1994] studied the survival of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the cause of human AIDS, in suspension and dried on surfaces. They looked at survival of both cell-free and cell-associated virus either suspended in serum or dried onto glass surfaces. Both cell-associated and cell-free HIV suspended in serum survived for several weeks at room temperature. Cell-free HIV that was dried onto a glass surface survived for at least seven days, while cell-associated HIV was inactivated faster than cell-free virus, but still survived up to five days. The published results of several other studies on HIV are consistent with the results obtained by Van Bueren et al. FeLV, HIV, and FIV all belong to the same virus family, retroviruses. It is reasonable to assume that the survivability of FeLV on a contaminated surface will be similar to that of HIV – days to weeks rather that minutes to hours. There is no scientific evidence to show that the simple process of drying of FeLV immediately renders it inactive or not infectious. On May 18, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Folks, I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7 days in a dry environment. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/askDr/FeLVEnvironment.pdf -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Remove name from list
Think you can unsubscribe yourself by using the form at the bottom of this page - http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Gloria On May 6, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Diane I am surprised that this group is clogging your email box. I have to hunt though other groups emails to even find a couple of emails from this group. You will have to unsubscribe yourself. I am not sure exactly how, but you need to go to the website to do this. Best of luck to you and your feline family. Sally On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remove me from your mailing list. All the individual emails are clogging up my address. Thank you. Diane Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
I'm so sorry to hear about sweet baby Hobbs. He was very fortunate to have such loving care during his lifetime, and as he was declining - a great blessing. I'm wondering how old he was. Sleep soft sweet Hobbs... Gloria On May 5, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Heather Wienker wrote: I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m. His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining. She felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was obviously in pain. She did keep his mouth moist and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he wanted or could. She took a sleeping bag in her spare room slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and consoling him. We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears she allowed him to suffer. I think had we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more time. Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. Hobbs was a year old. I am very thankful to Jann for giving Hobbs Sissy the chance to live the life of love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood. We found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of campus. I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God. Upon moving, I had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom. She had an eye ear injury and my heart immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing Mom. I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative), she also was not injured then. Why she was put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have more kittens. When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom. I really feel that Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey Sebastian were that sign from God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped them. I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom' testing status. Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did clear the FIV. Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice. I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their chance. However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another negative cat. It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know they could not have had a more loving home. I am very grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now. I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and prayers. Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has always told me this. His illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has been very appreciative of the support. Thank you all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they have here, it means everything in the world for them. In Loving Memory of Hobbs, Heather
Re: my poor snowy
I'm so sorry, but glad they found it. I've had that experience, with an emergency vet being completely uncaring, or seeming to be. It's a pain, a real stresser. I try never to go back to those guys, once I find out what they're like. Bless you - hang in there. Gloria On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: Today is test day
Sue, thoughts and prayers coming for Buzz - Best of luck, GLoria On Apr 24, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hello everybody, Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was diagnosed positive for FeLV. I am trying not to hope too much, but there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative. Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne. Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the other cats. I did some of the things the people in this group recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of days ago when some electricians came to our house. He really freaked! He hid for 8 hours after they were gone. His fear probably had something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten. Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure would be appreciated. Sue
Re: Please add Inky to CLS
Kerry, I noticed that the reply I sent about Inky didn't make it to the list. I send all my sympathy in your loss of sweet Inky - So amazing to make it to almost 22 years, what a guy. It's hard to lose someone after so long, who's really become a part of you - I know he'll stay in your heart forever. My thoughts are with you. Gloria On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:54 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send it. I guess there has been a problem with the sight. Hope this was ok. Thanks, Kerry --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please add Inky to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM Hi everyone, I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when Bandy was ill. Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added to friends at the CLS. He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle. He was 21 yrs 8 months and 4 days. He fought a tough battle with CRF, IBD, and hyper-t for the past 2 1/2 yrs. He went on his own terms and in his own time..He did some really unusual things the last 10 days prior to his death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite places in the house and such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I miss him so much..The place isn't the same without him as most of you know how that is. Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday. Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help with anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here real soon. Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Inky, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: test
Sometimes the hosting companies get a lot of spam coming from them, for whatever reason. Like the company that felineleukemia.org resides on. If that possibly happens, they get on a black list, and other companies will bounce all the email. I dunno, but a possibility. It's happened to me in other settings. May be something else of course. Gloria On Apr 19, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Maybe someone hacked the site. I did not use the link in the email to reactivate. I went directly to thw webpage. All seems well now. Sally -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: test
I was dropped from the mailing list because my mail from FELVtalk to me was bouncingprobably a spam related thing... On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Sally Davis wrote: My Mail was bouncing. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
That's a great idea - sponsors - we do that occasionally, I like it. Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:40 AM, Sharyl wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
