Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

2011-09-11 Thread Gloria Lane
Convenia shot perhaps...

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts 
 for 2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying 
 to give her a pill or liqud each day.
 
  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
 though.
 
 Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  
 I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they 
 actually had a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon 
 doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the 
 food, other parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about 
 diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's 
 getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're 
 dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity.
 
 If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
 stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
 antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
 there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
 diarrhea.
 
 With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
 so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
 too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
 know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
 
 So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
 know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
 are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
 FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
 
 Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
 to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued 
 from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
 prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
 very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
 improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
 When should I re-test?
 
 On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,  dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It 
 has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
 
 
 
  Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
 
 can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
 
 All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
 
 Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
 ti...@mindspring.comwrote:
 
 
 
 You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
 
 There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
 
 and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
 who
 
 have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
 
 at about 3 months  post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
 to
 
 the outside or any pos cats…..
 
 
 
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 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
 
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 
 
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 I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
 
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 
 
 Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
 
 
 
 New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
 
 the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

2011-09-08 Thread Gloria Lane
Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered 
they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of 
transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the 
vet.

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV.
 Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will
 forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination.
 
 
 On 09-07, katskat1 wrote:
 Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives
 and negatives with the following caveat:
 
 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV
 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a
 waiting period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others
 can confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
 3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until
 the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at
 least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
 4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever
 they are positive for)
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

2011-09-08 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder?

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 I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may 
 show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their care until 
 they all leave this world.
 On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 It was the same with my Annie.  When her owner who was in hospice
 learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next
 day.  She knew her baby was safe so she could go.  If I did not have
 a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to
 NOT die.  If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would
 not rest in peace.  I think I would be like Annie's owner was.  If
 you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep.  Any port in a
 storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure.
 
 
 I am going to have to live forever!!   I have 15 cats and my family
 (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone
 to take the rest of my cats.  I've been on google for days searching
 out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL.  I'll keep
 trying, but I'm getting so discouraged.  These cats were all rescued
 kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them
 very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have
 money for their care, but no one has offered to take one.  I'm now 78
 and my husband is almost 90.  I need to find homes, and I am offering
 $1,000 per cat.  Do any of you have any ideas what I can do?
 
 Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] reply

2011-09-08 Thread Gloria Lane
Just FYI, Fip is not contagious. Its genetic in related to another virus. 
There's a specific type (s) of corona virus that can mutaTe into FIP in 
particular due to stress conditions such as introduction into a new home. 

As I understand it once it mutates into FIP  it's not contagious but I won't 
swear to that. If a cat doesn't have the right gene, they won't get FIP anyhow. 
And of course stress is an important factor.  There's good research going on re 
FIP. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:26 AM, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other 
 cats.  All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health 
 issues.  I also have several older cats.  I've already had FIP introduced in 
 my house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer.  We had no idea she had it 
 until, she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized.  The vet did everything 
 to get her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye.  Knock on 
 wood no one else has ever showed signs.  My Spicy has a home with me for 
 life, a pet in my home is family.  I'm just undecided on whether to get her a 
 friend or not.  April 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply
 
 I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone 
 passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving 
 quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use 
 fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak 
 and bette able to resist infections.
 
 
  Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
  It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
  mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV 
  cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get 
  Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for 
  the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to 
  isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among 
  vets some more flexible than others.
  
  Gloria
  
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  On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
   Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been 
   mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. 
There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may 
   not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I 
   wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male 
   cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible 
   of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
   I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get 
   along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get 
   along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  
   Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of 
   the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline 
   leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
   But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
   
   From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
   
   Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I 
   see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
   mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.

   My 2 cents.

   =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
   furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi 
   =^..^=
   - Original Message -
   From: dot winkler
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
   
   Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the 
   disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 
   5 stages?  What does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make 
   it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the 
   disease.  Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My 
   cat is so lonely.  It breaks my heart.  She wants to play with the 
   others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the 
   two of them.  I really would love to adopt her out.  Just having a hard 
   time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
   
   From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday

Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

2011-09-08 Thread Gloria Lane
I have godparents for some cats, a rescue for others. - but still a problem- 
what's the rescue gonna do? You gotta have place, a location. Perhaps use of 
your house for a period of time. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money
 for their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM?  With 15 cats this is
 the problem.  Not the money.  
 .
 
 On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 
 I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever  
 may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their  
 care until they all leave this world.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] reply

2011-09-07 Thread Gloria Lane
It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats 
seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I 
think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick 
ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats 
 so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more 
flexible than others.

Gloria

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing 
 the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There is 
 still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull out 
 of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't want my 
 other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, Lion, has 
 AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though 
 he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
 I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. 
  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get along.  
 But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice versa.  
 Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture.  I 
 would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can 
 have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
 But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
 
 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
 Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see 
 no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've mixed mine 
 in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
  
 My 2 cents.
  
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
 - Original Message -
 From: dot winkler
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
 Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
 Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
 does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
 stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is 
 it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks 
 my heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows 
 from the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt 
 her out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name 
 Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
 
 From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
 Hi Dot,
  
 This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
 bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a 
 sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  
 I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. 
  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done 
 because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
 idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there 
 are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 
 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
 Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
 gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
 had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
 playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I have been looking for a 
 home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them 
 separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would 
 give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? 
 How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
 different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the 
 first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all 
 new to me also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)
 
 From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update
 
 Hi,
  
 A couple 

Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week

2011-09-07 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. 
Blessings. 

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did 
 not do.  You tried and that is morethan others did.  You gave love.
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Kelley
 
 So sorry for the loss of Black Tom.  Each cat is special and their life
 counts.  It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes.  I hope his
 helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they
 spent together.
 
 Peace.
 
 ~Bonnie
 
 
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
 
 
 
 His feeder is devastated.  I am sure she blames herself for not taking him
 to the vet sooner.  Thanks very much to those of you who offered him
 sanctuary.  I can always depend on this list for help.
 
 Kelley
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Gloria Lane
That's pretty much why I do...

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
 surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
 vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
 surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
 but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
 injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
 annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
 vaccinate again.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
   they are strictly indoor cats!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Gloria Lane
Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, 
it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, 
torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w 
claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma 
or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat 
ruined by declaw. 

Gloria

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without 
 you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves 
 TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.  I've seen cats 
 who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have been declawed do 
 absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes.
 
 I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy 
 and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the 
 oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery 
 would provide pain meds.
 
 At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a 
 nursing home.
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most 
 devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
 doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
 a cat would feel if
 
 he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
 paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
 Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
 they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
 in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
 an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
 writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was 
 being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is 
 heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
 and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory 
 details of declawing.
 
 Natalie
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
 
 Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
 program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
 
 I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
 after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
 Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. 
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going 
 crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
 
  
 
 There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I 
 guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere 
 instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the 
 tenants’ own furniture!
 
  
 
 I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an 
 older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats).
 
  
 
 There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
 psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
 abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all 
 the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or 
 kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt 
 with the problems as well as they could.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
  
 
 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
 to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
 require declawing.
 
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
 claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
 scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
 natural defense for declawed cats!
 
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

2011-08-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Sounds good to me! 

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On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Terri
  
 I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers 
 where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my 
 husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork 
 and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to 
 cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an 
 amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't 
 calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret 
 that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
 Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
 today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
 she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
 reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
 am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with 
 this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is 
 from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that 
 he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor 
 little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that 
 indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What 
 are you opinions??
  
 Take care everyone
 Marcia
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
 meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
 such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
  
 I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
 cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  
 It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment 
 of cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
  
 My 2 cents.
  
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
 - Original Message -
 From: Marcia Baronda
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
 
 tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
 horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
 overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off 
 the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was 
 so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them 
 what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was 
 glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they 
 are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and 
 told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an 
 apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian 
 present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal 
 welfare Act, which is a crying shame.
 
 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
 animals for several years now.
 
 Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
 a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
 in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
 hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
 one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
 them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
 she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
 yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
 the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
 
 She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
 
 Sigh.
 
 Tee hee.
 
 Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
 
 kat
 
 On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
 Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
 older, there ARE perks.
 
  Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
  I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
  if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
 
  Lorrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

2011-08-23 Thread Gloria Lane
I love it! Hood for you.  Can't believe shed leave horses in the sun and heat.

Gloria

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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really.eat in the truck.
 
 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
 animals for several years now.
 
 Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
 a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
 in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
 hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
 one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
 them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
 she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
 yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
 the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
 
 She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
 
 Sigh.
 
 Tee hee.
 
 Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
 
 kat
 
 On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
 Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
 older, there ARE perks.
 
  Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
  I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
  if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
 
  Lorrie
 
 
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 Phone: 785-466-2501
 Cell:785-230-6499
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread Gloria Lane
Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking 
constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only 
certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.

Gloria

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
 staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
 great idea.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 Thanks, Gloria.
 I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
 about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
 (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
 She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
 okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
 beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
 make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
 life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
 better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
 hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
 darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
 that goes!
 ~B.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
 of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
 hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
 weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
 
 You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
 the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
 home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
 unfortunately.
 
 Good luck with your kitty -
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

2011-03-16 Thread Gloria Lane
That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much 
about them aNd dont keep up.

Gloria


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On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA 
 test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me 
 he 
 was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other 
 vets 
 who are in the same office. Unreal!!
 I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly 
 check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most 
 of 
 during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered 
 about 
 exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. 
 However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the 
 impression I 
 got.
 I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when 
 I 
 take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his 
 office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! 
  Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 
 I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, 
 and 
 for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most 
 recent 
 research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to 
 date 
 and more sympathetic to FeLV cats.
 When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before 
 we 
 got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 
 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the 
 mixture). 
 I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's 
 FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not 
 find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and 
 we 
 retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets 
 there 
 were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be 
 destroyed 
 so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the 
 disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor 
 kitty. 
 
 Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. 
 We 
 count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to 
 keep 
 Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to 
 everyone on here and getting their advice first too.
 Good luck with what ever you do.
 Tanya
 
 --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 
 From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM
 Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating
 euthanization is a warning sign not to let
 him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up
 to date on the
 latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get
 to maintain
 Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to
 different vets and
 see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of
 some vets who
 treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start
 because they will have
 encountered it before. 
 
 Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to
 vaccinate the
 others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you.
 ;-)
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
 
 I want to thank everyone who responded about my post
 regarding Amber, my
 FeLV positive cat.
 I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the
 health of my other
 cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan
 to be cautious but
 do feel less stressed about it.
 I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is
 nothing like being
 able to get advice from folks who have experienced this
 situation.
 The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her
 test came back
 positive. 
 I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy
 cat. I want to give
 her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come
 back negative.  
 
 Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her
 from starving to death.
 She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting
 every chance I get!
 She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how
 she sits at the
 top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it
 is, I guess. At
 least for now...
 I would love to hear from more folks regarding this
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

2011-03-15 Thread Gloria Lane
I've always spay/neutered mine- No problems. Except one Felv girl I have, who 
has seizures, and I have not had her spayed. Year or two old. She just seems so 
fragile I couldn't put her thru it. Doesn't seem to have heat cycles, if so 
very mild and unnoticeable. 

Gloria

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On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand 
 after 
 the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous about 
 the 
 situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience for me. I 
 have 
 loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I can. It makes me 
 feel 
 good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I hear her purr. It is sad 
 she 
 has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to give her a good life.
 BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the 
 restesting? 
 My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get 
 out. 
  Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
 mine.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
 old 
 kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
 that 
 time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been living 
 with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food bowls 
 and 
 litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten 
 that 
 comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when I found out 
 she 
 had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has 
 been 
 living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had him and an older 
 kitten 
 that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office.  The older kitten has 
 been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  They both came out negative.  
 A 
 couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been with me almost as long as the 
 FeLV 
 cat was with me and she tested negative as well.  So, I tell you this Jannes 
 to 
 confirm what the others have said because it shows that not all cats 
 contract 
 FeLV and there is no need to panic right now.  The vet felt that since those 
 kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long 
 that 
 if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially 
 the 
 cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
 healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
 and 
 they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
 vaccinate 
 your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the basement and if 
 she 
 tests negative in a few months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test 
 I 
 would let her in the rest of the house with the other cats.  But, that's 
 what I 
 would do, not necessarily what you should do.  Actually, I would trust the 
 vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a series 
 of 
 two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together.  But it's 
 your 
 cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
 the 
 need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
 hate to 
 see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with the 
 virus.  
 You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test positive on 
 the 
 IFA test.  
 
 
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not 
 going 
 to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter.  It 
 would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the 
 virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other 
 cats 
 would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune response and 
 fight 
 off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on the 
 combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA

Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

2011-03-14 Thread Gloria Lane
I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
mine.

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On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
 old kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
 that time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been 
 living with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food 
 bowls and litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or 
 kitten that comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when 
 I found out she had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old 
 kitten that has been living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had 
 him and an older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's 
 office.  The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  
 They both came out negative.  A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been 
 with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested negative as 
 well.  So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the others have said 
 because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and there is no need to 
 panic right now.  The vet felt that since those kittens and the cat that I 
 had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long that if they were going to 
 get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially the cat that had lived 
 at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
 healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
 and they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
 vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the 
 basement and if she tests negative in a few months or test negative with the 
 ELISA and IFA test I would let her in the rest of the house with the other 
 cats.  But, that's what I would do, not necessarily what you should do.  
 Actually, I would trust the vaccine and after your healthy cats get their 
 vaccination (it takes a series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all 
 three hang together.  But it's your cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
 the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
 hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with 
 the virus.  You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test 
 positive on the IFA test.  
 
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not 
 going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance 
 encounter.  It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect 
 them with the virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean 
 your other cats would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune 
 response and fight off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that 
 tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested 
 negative on the IFA.  Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap 
 test, the ELISA test and continued to test negative on the IFA test.  As a 
 precaution, we tested again 30 days later, and he continued to test negative 
 on all three tests.  His body built an immune defense and fought off the 
 virus
 
 --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM
 
 
 Hello,
 I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they 
 said 
 she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained 
 weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The 
 vet 
 said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did 
 not 
 have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering.  However, I have 
 three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will 
 escape to 
 the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a 
 nice 
 cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the 
 basement 
 about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 
 6' 
 tall cage so she will have more room I do hate 

Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

2011-03-12 Thread Gloria Lane
Not that I know of, Sharyl, but think we'll hear from her as soon as she's able 
to email.   She said she has a little netbook that she took with her. Thanks!  

Gloria

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update Gloria.  MC is a real asset on all the FeLV groups.  
 Sending well wishes her way.  Is there anythign we can do?  
 
 Sharyl
 
 
 
 
 
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 4:30:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
 
 Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
  Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
 surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
 friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
 room, and doing well.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

2011-03-12 Thread Gloria Lane
That's very much appreciated, I know! I know her from this and other lists, but 
for quite a few years now.  She's in New York, I'm in Arkansas. So nice 
connecting w folks all over. 

Gloria

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 Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
  Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
 surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
 friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
 room, and doing well.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-28 Thread Gloria Lane
We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't 
find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a 
pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan.

Gloria

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 Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for
 senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and
 have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats.  Of
 course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I
 take them out for Adoption Days but.
 
 Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff for any of my
 animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but
 make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem.
 Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing
 extraction and I have had a boat load of animals.  Am I missing
 something?  Where are these requirements in place?  And just for older
 animals?
 
 My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year.  All the
 rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV
 annually.
 
 This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them
 and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace.
 
 K
 
 On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:
 What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint,
 older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for
 adoption.  That includes dental which is so expensive.  Adopters are
 reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid
 of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions
 and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference.
 
 --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
 Some great ideas/questions!
 Thank you all and keep them coming.
 
 Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start
 receiving a
 small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the
 mortgage and
 food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate
 - which I
 should have known - was a set back I will have to deal
 with.  I guess
 I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker
 could find
 forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to
 another concern
 about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to
 find good
 homes..
 
 Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
 suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would
 give money to a
 stranger on line with no real info as to where it will
 really go so
 why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds
 strange.
 
 I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would
 oversee
 that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care
 they
 should? My few remaining relatives live many states away
 and are
 within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
 person/house after the animals alive at the time of my
 death are no
 longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and
 property could
 revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that
 with zoning laws and
 all And I would have to be sure the house could be
 paid for at
 my death ARGHH...
 
 I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be
 familiar
 with these types of situations AND share my love for these
 furry kids.
 Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal
 Trusts???
 or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able
 to do it without
 charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.
 
 So much to think about.
 
 Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.
 
 Kat
 
 On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and
 other pets are to me!
 Most my family members and friends are huge animal
 lovers and I have no
 doubt that they will take great care of mine, if
 something would happen to
 me and my husband.
 
 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com
 
 I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry)
 the amounts I am seeing
 (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to
 take care of the cats
 for
 long other than maybe food needs. I definitely
 could be wrong. And maybe
 that's all it's intended for.
 
 Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
 
 I wanted to share some potential solutions just to
 put it out there?  Love
 that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
 
 Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin,
 maybe through a local
 501c3
 so their donators will get tax deductions, or
 perhaps kickstarter, or
 pepsi
 refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites
 nowadays and you can
 choose different amounts...you just have to hit
 the minimum to get 

Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Gloria Lane
They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina 
and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in 
the garbage. 

Gloria 

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 I like hearng about people's experiences on this
 sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating.
 
 And I just have to say,  well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me
 out!
 
 Share something interesting today.
 
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 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
 trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
 ever tried it)?
 
 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
 shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
 were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.
 
 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.
 
 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking
 at
 animals from a distance.
 
 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly
 on
 TV.
 
 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.
 
 http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!
 
 
 
 
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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Re: [Felvtalk] PETA

2011-02-26 Thread Gloria Lane
I agree. I do think they serve a useful purpose on other areas. Guess they like 
flies.  But with cats, they're crazy folks.

Gloria


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On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 Kelley,  Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them
 donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave
 them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the
 cats they kill.  I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats
 certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they
 are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about
 the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they
 consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote:  As far as the original article
 goes, it was an article by PETA, which I  trust about as far as I
 can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you  ever tried it)?
 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught 
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to
 other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.
 They  were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.
 
 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.
 
 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy
 looking at animals from a distance.
 
 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill
 a fly on TV.
 
 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Gloria Lane
Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good folks start 
them with good intentions and plans and can be successful.  

But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're 
probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the options in your local 
area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats.  And 
for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age 
of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your 
cats outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. 

Just some thoughts-

Gloria

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On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.
 
 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.
 
 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!
 
 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Gloria Lane
We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. 

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Gloria Lane
Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls.  We never have 
problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not 
all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it 
before and you trust.

Gloria

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 We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we 
 may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.
 
 Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the 
 sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you 
 are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as 
 soon as possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable 
 to an indoor only home.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
 not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
 weeks)
 
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
 doesn't matter.
 
 --Katy
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
 jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
 him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
 already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
 Peggy
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] strains?

2010-12-25 Thread Gloria Lane
I've never heard of a test for subgroups but they just have it..

Hey from my baby Shakespeare! He's a sweetie !

Gloria

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  I sometimes wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present 
 FELV's are.  I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV, 
 Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great
  
  
 Hi Gloria,
  
 Do you know if there is a way to test for the strain? I never heard of it at 
 a regular vet, but there must be some way?  I, too, wonder the same thing.  I 
 also wonder if mixing subgroups makes a difference to each others' health - 
 ie, if a kitty with a weaker strain is mixed with a more agressive one, will 
 this effect him?  so much we don't know.
  
 I have a Shakespeare, too!! He's my FIV boy. :)
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment

2010-12-13 Thread Gloria Lane
Thanks that's interesting , glad to know  that. 

Gloria

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 On the cancer list I heard of a product called ES Clear, it has Slippery
 Elm,  Chinese Rhubarb and a couple of other ingredients.  Several have
 indicated they felt it helped their kitties quality of life--it is indicated
 for cancer, but, mentioning in case it might have general use (since I'm
 sure it's not actually a cure for cancer).
 
 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall.
 
 Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago?
 
 
 
 
 http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f
 elv.html  - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You can
 contact them regarding these herbs; I have.
 
 
 
 http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php  - very basic info on FeLV
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

2010-12-13 Thread Gloria Lane
Also wonderful to know about-thanks!

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 Betty Boswell is my all time pick.  502-499-9663.  She is in Louisville.  
 Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville.  Susan studied under Betty.  Both 
 have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic medicine.  I drive to 
 Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my critters to Middletown Animal 
 Hospital 502-245-9311.  All of the vets there are the greatest and celebrated 
 when I took death off the table when I took Dixie to them.
 
 Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and Frankfort 
 is a lot closer.   Betty and MAC have evening hours.
 
 If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you.
 
 Good luck.
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
 
 Sorry, hit send before I was ready..,
 
 I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet.
 
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 On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where in Kentucky are you?  I ask because I live there and have a holistic 
 vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office.  She uses 
 supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with 
 Copper, Thomas and Bob.  Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a 
 pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger 
 before they invited them to dinner.
 On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:
 
 Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ 
 cats. I live in Kentucky.
 
 I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I 
 graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned 
 in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for 
 the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later.
 
 He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone 
 all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another 
 FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe.
 
 So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they 
 have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily.
 
 Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. 
 Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject.
 
 Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really 
 appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
 
 ---Katy
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

2010-12-09 Thread Gloria Lane
Impressive! I'd like to know more.

Thanks for posting your info

Gloria

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 My cat was diagnosed 2 years ago with the same thing. He went on an 
 aggressive therapy of Interferon and LTCI with good results. He now test 
 negative, however, with being on Prednisolone, it may just be hiding. My 
 story is a very long one, with a lot of history! You are welcome to email me 
 at cstet...@hotmail.com
 
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 On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Sharon Fazio sharon.annfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I want to introduce myself and my very beautiful Ragdoll kitten Kelsea who
 tested positive for FeLV in the bone marrow ( I know it is not a good thing)
 .  Kelsea was diagnose with FeLV about 8 weeks ago.  Right now she is doing
 wonderful on the treatment plan her vet has her on, which includes
 Interferon, Atopic and a steroid.  She was on dimethylgycine to build up her
 red blood cells, she has been off the dimethlgycine for about two weeks now.
 
 
 
 At this point all her all her blood work is normal.  She is putting on
 weight; over 2 pounds since her diagnoses. To look at this little one you
 would not even know she was sick. : )
 
 
 
 I’m hoping someone could let me know anything about LTCI.  I’m not thinking
 about change Kelsea’s med now, since she is doing so well.  I would just
 like a little more information on LTCI. i.e. what kind of success has it had
 in FeLV.  I am also wondering what are the chances the FeLV will go into
 remission if it is in the bone marrow? Kelsea’s vet tell me that the chances
 are very low, but I just need to know if it has happen to anyone out there.
 
 
 
 
 Many Purrr to all,
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats

2010-12-06 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm writing this on my phone so limited on what I can write. But everyone of 
course follows their own heart on this. I've been mixing mine for a few years 
As others do with no problem. I think they hype up the contagion something 
terrible.  I just don't think it that contagious. 

Gloria

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On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Stephanie \(Merkel\) Sherry 
steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV.  My husband and I 
 recently 
 took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our 
 porch.  We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for 
 six 
 weeks now and love her dearly.
 
 At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two 
 different 
 snap tests.  She also recently tested positive on the IFA test.  Magic is 
 about 
 five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining 
 weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl.  For now, she lives in our 
 master bedroom separated from our other cats.
 
 One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her 
 with 
 our other cats if we had them all vaccinated.  She did tell me that the 
 vaccine 
 isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats.  Right now, I do not 
 feel 
 like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative 
 to 
 cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her.  However, I 
 thought I 
 would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been.  
 The 
 vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for 
 my 
 regular vet to come back to work later this week.
 
 Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living 
 in 
 our bedroom.  She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for 
 us, it is something we could manage long term.  I struggle with what is fair 
 for 
 her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or 
 to 
 find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her 
 owners.  If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our 
 other cats as a precaution?
 
 Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be 
 greatly 
 appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Stephanie
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma

2010-11-22 Thread Gloria Lane
No have not- can you take possibly? Will work on transport if so. 

Gloria

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wrote:

 have you had any replies to this cat?
 
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 7:35:35 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
 
 This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near 
 the 
 Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any 
 options?  They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gloria
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote:
 
 Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on ATT
 
 -Original message-
 From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com
 To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
 Subject: persian
 
 Belinda,
 I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all 
 have
 been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is
 dumping in  this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a 
 very
 tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a
 broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and
 bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has
 feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with
 leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will 
 neuter
 him and get him ready to go.
 Let me know and I understand if you do  not know anyone. This is a hard one.
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

2010-11-21 Thread Gloria Lane
That's been my experience often w Clavamox. 



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 Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea.  he was miserable and we had a few 
 messes when he could not make it to the box.  this was from emergency vet on 
 a Sunday night.  got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end 
 of that week.  thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any 
 more abuse.  buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden.  i have 4 gardens 
 with buriel plots in them.  only plant shallow rooted things there.  then 
 Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a 
 shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort.  also gave her 
 herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store.  at the end of 30 days on the pill 
 she is free of crystals and infection.  lost the envelope they came in, but 
 developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium.  i was 
 desperate for something to get rid of the crystals.  she was retaining urine 
 and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem.  
 she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over 
 the house.  after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and 
 by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the 
 ---.
 she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at 
 them.  now i am laying in a supply of Feliway.  I hesitated to get this, is 
 expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as 
 bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose.
  Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I know 
 nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if 
 it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin .
 
 Gloria
 
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 On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than 
 normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get 
 up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and 
 using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near it.  His 
 gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per 
 day.  
 
 When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just 
 in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since 
 we did the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should try 
 giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case.  I gave him fluids for the 
 past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not 
 drinking very much.  
 
 In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't want to 
 make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats 
 nauseous. 
 
 also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his 
 nose and
 his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but at
 this point, I'm not sure we will. 
 
 
 Thanks so much,
 Stacy and Spanky
 
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: FeLV question

2010-11-21 Thread Gloria Lane
See note below from Natalie - need help with felv mama and babies in 
Connecticut . 

Gloria

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: Natalie Jarnstedt ati...@gmail.com
 Date: November 21, 2010 11:05:19 AM CST
 To: 'Gloria Lane' gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: FeLV question
 

 Gloria - I am in Mexico right now, am receiving all felvtalk mail but cannot
 post replies because my email address is not being accepted by the felvtalk
 monitor.unfortunately, they just notified methe question below is of
 the utmost importance and I was hoping to get some feedback on it for my
 friend with the problem (see below).
 
 Could you kindly post it for me. Thank you so much - Natalie
 
 P.S. Although it clearly says that my e-mail is sent from the correct
 address, it actually goes out as gmail from here (not listed as member of
 felvtalk!)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie Jarnstedt [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 PM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: FeLV question
 
 Hi,
 I hope that someone might have some advice for a fellow animal rescuer in CT
 who has a problem, with which I cannot help her because I haven't had much
 exposure to FeLV over the years - please see her note below; any help would
 be much appreciated! Natalie
 
 
 Help.  Do you guys have ANY ideas on what to do?  
 
 I rescued a mom cat and her 7 12-week old kittens.  They have been boarded
 and cared for at the vet hospital for one month, where mom was spayed and
 everyone received shots, deworming, etc.
 
 Mom has tested negative for FeLV three times.  The last two times using the
 IFA test.  Three kittens first tested borderline on the Snap test, then one
 month later tested positive on the IFA test.  One who originally tested
 negative ended up positive on the IFA test.  Everybody has been tested
 multiple times using both tests.  This leaves:
 
Mom - negative
2 kittens - negative
4 kittens - positive
 
 The veterinarians are all baffled.  Recommend to retest in 6 months, and to
 treat the negative ones as though they would be turning positive.  I still
 think the negative ones should be kept away from the confirmed positive
 ones.
 
 The catch is that I need to get them out of the vet, hopefully by Monday,
 and that I have no place to go with them now.  I am possibly looking at
 having to have them all put down which I don't know if I could bring myself
 to do it BUT I don't know of any other options.  Hard to believe in 25 years
 this has never happened to me.  I cannot bring them to our cat house, and I
 cannot bring them into my house.  I have NO place to isolate.
 
 Do you guys have ANY suggestions, ideas, resources, etc  I am without
 options and running out of time.
 Claudia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser

2010-11-20 Thread Gloria Lane
Well it doesn't give a location ...

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Forgive me... but can anyone vouch for this organization?  I apologize in 
 advance for my skepticism, but this comes across as a classic scam.
 
 Mike
 
 From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
 To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
 susan_hoff...@yahoo.com; Colin Starrett colinstarr...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:09:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser
 
 please cross post to all groups and rescues
 
 We Need Heroes, 
 people willing to step up and help these furry kids.  we here at Second 
 Chance 
 have been giving these little ones a home with  love and care to over 30 
 cats, 
 for over 8 years . We are totally out of  pocket. Our vet bills run in the 
 average of hundreds ( we have  10 cats with us now) and that's when they are 
 in 
 good health. when they  get sick the vet costs can raise dramatically.
 food 
 costs average  about 100.00 per month. vitamins, food supplements to help 
 boost 
 their  immune systems, litter, climbing trees, waterfalls ( for high o2  
 content), toys, beds, perscriptions  all come out of our pockets.
 Please we need HEROES to help us in our fight to keep these cats for being 
 KILLED
 http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows-xmas-fund-raiser
 
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
 To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
 susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:04:21 PM
 Subject: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Johnson
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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

2010-11-20 Thread Gloria Lane
Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I know nothing 
about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, 
like amoxicillin or azithromycin .

Gloria

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi:
 
 Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than 
 normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get 
 up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and 
 using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near it.  His 
 gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per 
 day.  
 
 When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in 
 case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did 
 the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should try giving him 
 the antibiotic anyway just in case.  I gave him fluids for the past 2 
 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not drinking 
 very much.  
 
 In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't want to 
 make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats 
 nauseous. 
 
 also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his 
 nose and
 his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but at
 this point, I'm not sure we will. 
 
 
 Thanks so much,
 Stacy and Spanky
 
 
 
 stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

2010-11-07 Thread Gloria Lane
Im so aorry for your loss.  My vet said the virus lasts only a short while 
outside the body, a minute or so.  Healthy adult cats have good immunity to it 
anyhow.   I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary 
cleaning or waiting when they pass away.  In my opinion don't worry about it. 

Gloria

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 Hello,
 
 I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone 
 through 
 yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to get my 
 FLV 
 cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning.  I 
 wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling 
 droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.  
 Anyway, 
 can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat 
 tunnel, 
 litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have read 
 that 
 the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a 
 person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - 
 leaving 
 me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on 
 them 
 to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone have 
 any 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-21 Thread Gloria Lane
If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary 
tract problems. 

Gloria

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
 put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black 
 light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
 I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
 hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she 
 dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot.  So, maybe that 
 is the answer!
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 
 Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
 to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
 drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 Laurie
 Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types
 
 and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
 Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
 having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, Wow,
 I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away
 with on my other cats.
 Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
 I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
 Thanks for your insights.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 
 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!
 
 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!
 
 - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 
 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where
 she
 had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
 her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
 something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer!
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
 traces
 of your foulness after you - 

Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

2010-10-16 Thread Gloria Lane
Might add the lysine to chicken broth and syringe it. Or add to food. It can 
taste pretty yukky just plain. 

Gloria

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On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no
 problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap),
 it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form,
 pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250
 mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very
 long time.
 
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
 tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
 we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
 right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
 So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab
 (about 250 mg)?
 Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment updates

2010-10-16 Thread Gloria Lane
Thanks Gary!  I don't have any sick Felv cats right now but have had plenty and 
wondered about and tried various  treatments. Glad to get your info. 

Gloria

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On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:45 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 Unfortunately, these updates are not good news.
 
 ACEMANNAN:  I used this to save several FeLV cats, it works.  Sadly, the 
 company that made it - Carrington Labs - went out of business and it is no 
 longer available.  On Saturday I will give the last of my Acemannan to a sick 
 kitty and hope that will be enough.
 
 STAPH PROTEIN A:  I have never had the chance to use this, but there were 
 some pretty encouraging trials a few years ago and my vet got some from a 
 university.  The vet said it worked very well in temporarily reversing anemia 
 in Felv cats, giving them another 5 or 6 months of good health.  This product 
 was never approved for the treatment of animals and is stricly used in 
 biological research.  You must be a legitimate bio researcher to buy it and 
 you must swear it will never get into the hands of anyone not authorized to 
 use it.  So, in reality, you cannot get it.
 
 Would the list owner please update the website about these treatments.
 
 Gary 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Gloria Lane

I have to say my experience is pretty much the same as Terrie's.  With my first 
FeLV kitties, Calawalla Banana Booboo and Mr Black Kitty, I was pretty 
paranoid. I think it was 2001.  But even the vet reassured mr that the virus 
wasn't that contagious.  I relaxed a bit.

At some point I decided to mix and have never had a problem. My friend Susan - 
we're in the same rescue - has the same experience. 

Gloria
Little Rock, Ar 


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On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote:

 Melinda,
 Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past 
 but don't any now.
 My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that 
 I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone 
 marrow. He died from secondary illnesses.
 Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My 
 husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
 Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived 
 with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, 
 bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated 
 every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few 
 seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say 
 no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in 
 March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not 
 die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with 
 her when she died.
 My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.
  
 So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you 
 want to mix or not.
 There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
 I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal 
 cats.
  
 In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons.
 
 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
  
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  Original Message 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.   What 
 I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
 negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
 her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
 developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is 
 doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any 
 signs of being sick.  
 
 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.  
 However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and intend 
 to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been 
 introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well.  
 Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither of my vets 
 seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.  
 
 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please 
 share your stories!
 
 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV

2010-09-28 Thread Gloria Lane
Might also check out http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html

Regarding the two stages of viremia, and what the elisa test and the Ifa test 
are for. 

Gloria

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 Rachel, check with the vets to see what test was used.  There has been a lot 
 of reports of false positives with the new IDEXX heartworm/FeLV/FIV combo 
 test.  If that was the test used please arrange for the IFA test before 
 making any decisions about Oscar.
 Sharyl
 
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 From: Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 10:45 PM
 Hi-
 
 I work with a nonprofit animal rescue based in Cincinnati,
 Ohio.  Two weeks ago 
 we took in an owner-surrender cat who tested positive
 yesterday for FeLV.  We 
 had him retested this evening at another facility and that
 test also came back 
 positive.  Unfortunately we do not have any fosters
 who can accommodate an 
 FeLV-positive cat out of concern for our own and other
 foster animals.  I am 
 trying desperately to find alternate placement for Oscar
 locally, but am not 
 having a lot of success.  
 
 
 Oscar is a purebred odd-eyed white Persian cat.  He is
 about three years old and 
 is asymptomatic.  He was purchased from a breeder as a
 kitten and was kept as an 
 indoor-only cat in a household with no other cats. 
 Does anyone here know of any 
 resources or organizations that may be able to take Oscar
 in?  We are willing to 
 transport Oscar (within reason).  He has been neutered
 and will be fully 
 vaccinated prior to placement.  I would absolutely
 hate for this friendly, 
 gorgeous cat to be euthanized simply because alternate
 placement cannot be 
 found.
 
 Thank you, 
 
 Rachel Richardson
 
 
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transfactor plus

2010-08-03 Thread Gloria Lane
Well I usually assume it's someone eying to send something other than a text 
message, and it just doesn't get handled right. 

Gloria


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On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:29 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I HAVE HAD A FEW OF THOSE.  ANYONE KNOW WHAT CAUSES IT?
  Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: 
 It was garbled at this end too Lorrie
 
 On 08-03, trmckel...@charter.net wrote:
 hi Stacy,
 
 Your message came through garbled, see below :-)  Can't say if I'm the only 
 one, but if you could resend, it would help.  If you're asking about 
 transfer factor plus, I've used it with my FeLV+ cats.
 
 Terry
  Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

2010-06-27 Thread Gloria Lane


So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

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According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze  
the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they  
always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The dosage for cats  
is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60  
IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 
5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  
off protocol is a choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need  
a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would  
Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes  
listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not  
dual purpose.


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and  
then freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need  
to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  
in Conway AZ.  I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

2010-06-19 Thread Gloria Lane

In so sorry Avia. May she rest in peace.

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Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS

Avia

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Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

2010-06-01 Thread Gloria Lane

Good one!

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net  
wrote:


Next time a doc warns you of some possibility of an off the wall  
disease that you could get
ask him if the risk is greater or less than the risk of you getting  
hurt in an automobile accident
while driving to his office He probably won't give you an answer  
but watch the expression
on his face... The risk in a car accident is hundreds or thousands  
of time more likely than many

things that we worry about...
Tad


Heather wrote:

Oops, correction, people are often misinformed by their human  
doctors.   My
vet said she can't believe some of the things people tell her that  
their

have doctors told them.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi,

I think you are referring to Toxoplasmosis, I too wondered if  
perhaps Julie
was misinformed and that was what she was referring to as I know  
of no

reasons that any human being around an FELV+ cat is a problem.

For anecdoctal value, I am somewhat immune compromised and have  
cared for a
Toxo+ cat with no problems.  I mentioned to my vet how sad it is,  
the # of
people misinformed by their vets who think that pregnant women  
must get rid
of their cats and she agreed--she is a very cautious person and  
has had 2
babies of her own in the last 3 years, she said she even scooped  
her own
litterboxes (not to mention all she does at their cat only vet  
practice).
She indicated that it takes something like 48 hrs. for toxo to  
even begin to
develop after a cat has defecated (something like this) so it's  
mostly a

risk for people who don't keep their boxes clean.

Anyway, I would never want to steer anyone wrong so hopefully  
someone else
will pipe in, but to my knowledge there is no reason for anyone,  
pregnant,

baby or otherwise, to worry about being around an FELV+ kitty.

Julie, you obviously care about these kitties very much and it is  
to be
commended!  I do resecue and all we seem to hear day in and day  
out is
people who are NOT willing to even do the smallest thing to help a  
cat in

need, let alone all you are doing.

Wishing you the best with these special babies!  Please do post  
the test

results.

Heather

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net 
wrote:




There is a disease that pregnant women can get from the litter box
cleaning...
It is very rare and I think you have to stick your fingers in  
your mouth

after
handling litter in order to get it...
I don't think it has anything to do with FeLV
It can cause brain damage to the fetus if you should get it and  
that is

why
some doctors make such a big deal about it But if you wash  
your hands
after cleaning litter box or wear gloves or even better get daddy  
to do

litter
duty than it is almost impossible that you will get it

Tad


Julie Dalesio Gladnick wrote:

Hi Tad-

Thank you so much for your supportive words.  I am so sorry to  
hear about

your girl kitty, but it certainly does bring some perspective and
reality.
I think I will take your advice and let them be together at  
least until

the
second test; they are so much happier.  I guess my hesitancy is  
that I

don't
think I could deal if they both were positive.  Then again, I  
never

imagined
dealing with either of them facing this.  Do anyone have any  
info on
pregnant woman or babies and FeLV cats?  I've obviously read  
that they
should not be together, but does anyone have actual experience?  
I've

been
finding that a lot of info online tends to be pretty negative.

Thanks again, I feel truly grateful.

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wrote:





Hi Julie
You have come to the right place... We all have a similar story  
to

tell...
Your story is exactly like mine.. Two black and white tux  
kittens.. Boy

was
pos
and girl was neg... I didn't have room to separate them and the  
vet

advised
that
she surely she had been exposed and she might be one of the few  
that

have a
strong natural immunity or else she wouldgo pos at some time  
later...

Anyway
she got vaccinated but not separated
The 2 were very close and played together all the time.. I  
remember

thinking
how sad it was going to be when the pos one got sick and passed  
on

leaving
her
As fate would have it the neg one stopped eating one evening  
after only

a
month...
Took her to the vet 1st thing in the morning and she got some  
emergenct

treatment
but she died while still at the vets in the middle of the  
morning
The vet said it was FIP... The point is there are many things  
that can

take a cat
early... My pos boy lived on for seven years... During his life  
I got

hms
several
other pos kitties and most of the he out lived too...
There is also a good chance that the 1st test is a false pos...  
Do get

that 2nd test
and we will all hope for the best...
If it were me I would let the stay together... Keep 

Re: [Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests

2010-05-29 Thread Gloria Lane

Wonder what in the blood causes it to be weak or strong.

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as with pregnancy, it's a true-false question.

http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/smallanimal/inhouse/snap/common/technology.jsf

from the section on using blood samples:

Any color development in the sample spots indicates the presence of  
FIV

antibody or FeLV antigen in the sample.

any vet, or tech, or person who is performing the test (and should  
have read

the instructions) should know this.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster

2010-04-18 Thread Gloria Lane

Nope don't know about that list mc but interested. I'll check it out.

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this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds.

the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive.  
in
fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a  
truly

positive FeLV increases their lifespan!

(anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a
discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that  
looked

really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the
discussion.)

as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces
antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and  
Western
Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and  
insists

upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-17 Thread Gloria Lane
Well actually dandelion has some nice therapeutic benefits. And they  
MIGHt consent to cheese. But I've never had one consent to hot sauce!


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c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd  
work!
(and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course,  
i'd boil

the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.)

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gbl...@aristotle.netwrote:


Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno  
sauce...






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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

2010-03-27 Thread Gloria Lane
There's also some thought that adult cats have enough natural immunity  
that they don't easily get felv.


Gloria



On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:


I'm sure different vets have different opinions  I like
the one your vet has. With 14 cats it's very expensive
keeping up with and paying for all these shots.

L.

On 03-27, Laurieskatz wrote:


My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. Tessa, my last
rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and
isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually
tested new cats at least twice before introducing to the others. I
don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would
vaccinate the others - at least the first shot and first booster.
My vet thinks the first two (30 days apart) will protect for life.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

2010-01-27 Thread Gloria Lane

That's great. I love it!

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Good letter!   I'll send one too.

Lorrie


On 01-26, Laurieskatz wrote:
Here is what I wrote to this address: edi...@bestfriends.org

Dear Editor:

The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is
inconsistent with my experience and, I believe, does a great
injustice to cats diagnosed with this virus. Certainly not all cats
diagnosed with FeLV have the health issues Clemans reports. I lived
with two cats who were diagnosed with feline leukemia after I
adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived to age
22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15
years. They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what
big boys they were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.

Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved.
Squeaky was never sick a day in his life until his final three
weeks. Squeaky died from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes'
cause of death. My vets did not treat these cats any differently
than other cats I have had. There was no alarm sounded when their
tests came back positive. The information was given to me as part
of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was a big
deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.

I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived
to an old age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the
time he was rescued. Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of
love. She was rescued 3 years ago and was an adult cat at that
time. She was anemic and had a high fever when rescued but these
situations quickly resolved with medication treatment by an
internal medicine specialist.

Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties
who test positive should be retested as there can be false
positives (and false negatives). Their owners can find information
and support groups on the internet (yahoo offers several groups for
FeLV cat owners). In this group format they can talk to other
people who live or have lived with cats with FeLV. They can get
questions answered. They can learn about feeding a quality food,
keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and treatments
in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will be
as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to
this disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with
this disease.


Sincerely,
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

2009-12-14 Thread Gloria Lane
Yes that's one standard way that vets treat it.  But when it gets bad  
you can't just increase steroid dosage without some other risks.


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Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they  
put him on steroids...is this not done any longer?


Debbie (COL)
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500
From: lernermiche...@aol.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched  
to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

2009-12-13 Thread Gloria Lane

What treatment did your alternative vet use?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com  
wrote:


I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She was  
fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe  
the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please  
try her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a  
huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and  
screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!   
Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of  
FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to  
try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did  
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a  
raw diet.  He was actually physically and mentally excellent until  
we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his  
ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few  
days before we opted to have him eithanized.


Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made  
my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as  
needed (worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the  
name right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure  
there are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be  
called by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



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Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone.  
We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then  
switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then  
went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week  
later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth  
got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a  
few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food  
that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very  
inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had  
stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had  
it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] New - how to preserve the health of Healthy FELV+ kittens

2008-12-23 Thread Gloria Lane
I give interferon alpha once daily till they are past 3 or 4 yrs old,  
to boost the immune system.


Gloria


On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:


I have been fostering for a big city shelter and although I almost
always tested new cats
when they came to me and kittens before they were introduced into the
general herd, I ended
up this year with 4 FELV+ kittens less than 1 year old.  Three of  
these

tested negative when they
came to me and the fourth and youngest was born at my house from a
pregnant mom that also
tested negative.

I am adopting all of these guys now.  I am working my way through  
reading

the archives of this list, but is there a consensus
on best practice for treating kittens and cats while they are still
healthy before they experience problems
related to FELV to keep them as healthy as possible?

Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] fungal infections? and What to feed?

2008-11-08 Thread Gloria Lane
Thanks, I didn't know that, about the licking.  I've also used Zantac  
for my CRF kitties, about 1/4 tablet.

Gloria



On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Belinda

 Thanks for the answer. You may be right with my Daisy. She has  
 always had
 stomach issues occassional vomiting after eating. Undigested food


 Sally

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   Licking before, during or after eating usually means acid tummy,
 pepcid AC will help with that, CRF kitties commonly have this and get
 pepcid AC (regular strength only, not maximum strength).  They  
 usually
 start out with a 1/4 pill every other day and work up to a daily  
 does if
 that isn't enough.  Too  much pepcid will also cause tummy upset so  
 only
 use the minimum amount required to take care of the problem.

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Gloria Lane
Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest  
discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens  
with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,  
because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and  
arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a  
deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to  
be able to squirt it in the mouth.

Good luck,

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's  
 been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at  
 least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't  
 know...
  t

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  Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I  
 was in
 college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know  
 there were
 not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
 antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was  
 never
 seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know  
 he was
 losing weight.

 Sally


 On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty  
 breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.  
 Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a  
 cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act  
 sicker if
 that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it  
 sounds
 like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye  
 discharge or
 anything.
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Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

2008-11-02 Thread Gloria Lane
I've got two that are over 10.  I have 3 that are under 4.  I'm giving  
the ones under 4, daily oral interferon alpha - hopefully help them  
make it past 3 yrs.

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:54 PM, catatonya wrote:

 I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big  
 no.  I've got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me  
 right now.  Fat, sassy, and happy.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

2008-11-01 Thread Gloria Lane
Kerry, I've used one of Dr. Pitcairn's recipes for diarrhea, quite a  
few years ago - had rice in it, and some other ingredients I dont  
recall.  I used it for Mr. Black Kitty, who was FELV/FIV positive.  IT  
worked really well.  I didn't use it exactly, used canned chicken  
rather than raw, and it still worked well.  After a few weeks, I  
switched to a canned lamb and rice food, and he still did well on it.

Just fyi -

Gloria


On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


 Hi all,
 My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft
 stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was  
 found
 in the street at 3 weeks.
 When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds
 for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my
 vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing
 methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never
 actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He  
 put
 her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure.
 She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency.
 My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of  
 broiled
 or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool?
 I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm
 worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of
 this kind on a kitten.
 I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may
 have found in treating kittens' loose stools.
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-26 Thread Gloria Lane
What state do you live in now, Tad?

Gloria
(in Arkansas)


On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Tad Burnett wrote:

 Hi Kelley
Funny thing about the heart I knew my blood pressure was high
 for 15  or 20 years but never did anything about it... I was probably
 in better shape half way through my hospital stay than I have been
 in a long time... I do every thing that I did before except for a new
 diet and $300 a month for pills I probably am a lot better than I  
 would
 have been...
 The other thing is if you take in 33 FeLV+ cats in 5 years the 9  
 that I
 now have are probably the 1/3 that can live for 8 or more years so I
 guess its time I started getting my numbers down As things are now
 they will all stay here but just no more new ones
 Tad

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 OMG.  I am so sorry to hear about your heart attack.  I wish you a
 speedy recovery.

 On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Tad Burnett  
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 Hi Susan
  Every one has orange kitties lately...
 I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months ago
 and discovered I was having a heart attack the next morning...
 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and 12 seniors
 and am learning to say NO
 In the mean time there are 4  6month old orange kittens in  
 eastern Mass.
 that are running out of time Help
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today

2008-10-16 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry, Wendy - He has lots of friends at the bridge... May he  
be happy and forever young.

Gloria


On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wendy Griebel wrote:

 My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer  
 and
 was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens

2008-10-10 Thread Gloria Lane
Hi Pamela,

I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if  
they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in  
several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not  
reviewing former emails first.  And if they test positive, you may be  
able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it  
can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your  
Virginia area.

Best of luck - thanks for caring,

Gloria


On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia.

 I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if  
 these
 babies will be positive. !  Please, if anyone knows of some place  
 that will
 take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in  
 touch with
 the rescue who is handling them.

 I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for
 adoption.

 http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens

2008-10-10 Thread Gloria Lane
I understand - think you may have a typo, I didn't give you any  
estimates, so don't understand that - but best of luck to you and to  
them.

Gloria


On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unfortunately, I can not keep them if they test positive. Based on  
 your
 estimates, when we saw her skinny, when she brought them to us,  
 their weight
 when we first weighed them etc, put the birth of the kittens around  
 June
 20th -June 27th.   So,  they are around 3 months old now.

 They go for their spaying and FL tests on Monday and if they are  
 positive,
 there is no where for them to go and they will have to be put down.

 If they test negative, they will go to Pet Smart or the rescue can  
 take
 them.

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 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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 Hi Pamela,

 I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if
 they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again  
 in
 several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not
 reviewing former emails first.  And if they test positive, you may be
 able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to -  
 it
 can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in  
 your
 Virginia area.

 Best of luck - thanks for caring,

 Gloria


 On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline  
 Leukemia.

 I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if
 these
 babies will be positive. !  Please, if anyone knows of some place
 that will
 take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in
 touch with
 the rescue who is handling them.

 I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here  
 for
 adoption.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten returned

2008-09-28 Thread Gloria Lane
Just wanted to say I'm so very sorry that Zing Zing lost a home,  
because of this vet's ignorance and lack of compassion.  It is indeed  
difficult for people to decide to mix pos and neg.  Vets in general  
seem so un-knowledgeable about FELV and FIV, except for a little book  
learning.

Gloria



On Sep 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 I wrote earlier in the week about the FelV kitten I had adopted. Then
 yesterday there was a knock on the door and the people who had taken
 him brought him back!Apparently they had trouble keeping him
 confined in one part of their house, as he is a very active kitten,
 and their vet scared them half to death warning them about the danger
 to their other two cats being exposed to this positive kitten.  She
 cried when she brought him back with all the cat toys they'd bought
 for him, and I felt like crying too.

 I suppose the vet had to warn them, but I think he went overboard
 and little Zing Zing lost a wonderful home. I'm really upset about
 this.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad

2008-09-28 Thread Gloria Lane
I know it's a difficult situation, but there are rescues and rescuers  
that take FELV cats/kittens.  And if he chooses to keep him, would be  
such a gift.  What I do to boost the immune system - and it works well  
- is to give 1cc interferon once daily to my FELV kitties that are  
less than 3 -4 years old.  Different vet sell interferon alpha for  
different amounts  of $$.   I shopped around and found a vet who would  
sell me a big supply that lasts several months, for $15.  I buy it  
from him, mix it as instructed, and freeze it in small containers, so  
that I can get it and unfreeze as needed. I give 1cc daily with a 3cc  
syringe.

Best of luck,

Gloria


On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have not posted for a while about kiwi.  I think the last one I  
 told you that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan.  He  
 never did.  Before that I tried to find a rescue who would take him,  
 but there wasn't any openings.  I have no funds to get him to vet.   
 Sad to say, kiwi is really sick.  He is unable to keep food down.   
 He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat.  I gave him just a  
 little wet food, and he through it all up.  He does drink a little  
 water.  I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will  
 take 5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down.  He used his  
 kitty litter in the last day or so.  Before all this, he ate a lot  
 of his favorite cat food.  He didn't throw it up, but he had  
 diarrhea and he was bony.   He was always full of energy.  I can't  
 let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter  
 and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to  
 sleep.  I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer  
 anymore.   To you who have not read my earlier postings,  I did not  
 adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near  
 his did sibling.  He bought him home and we did our usual thing and  
 gave him kitten formula and kitten food.  He thrived.   My daughter  
 who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided  
 to take kiwi also.  (this one time)  Sadly, Kiwi came out positive  
 for feline leukemia.  We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8  
 months old, and again he came back positive.  We new that we would  
 not be able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue.   
 None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/ 
 cat.   We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large county,  
 but no one could take him.  So we did the best we could for him, but  
 it wasn't enough.  I don't blame anyone.  It's just how it is.  It's  
 just so hard when your hands are tied.  Well, I better go for now.   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sharkey Please add to the CLS :(

2008-09-24 Thread Gloria Lane
What a beautiful kitty - I'm so sorry he didn't make it to live  
longer. Gloria


On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Well he was going to get to go home with his foster parents when he  
 was well enough to,but he had worsen very quickly. We lost him on  
 the 18th. He was a beautiful gray and white fluffy boy.He had a  
 loving home for 5 months.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Note from MC

2008-09-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Absolutely -  thanks for passing this on to us.

Gloria


On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote:

Hi All,
   Got a note from MC about a former very active member of the list,
 some may remember Mari, the screen name she used was spiritcat.  She
 lives in the Houston area and was hit pretty hard by hurricane Ike.
 She's got a lot of very special-needs kitties--two leggers, in  
 diapers,
 etc.--and they've been without power since Ike hit, and will be  
 without
 it for maybe another two weeks.  She has been in touch with MC and a  
 few
 others and when asked if there was anything they could do for her she
 jokingly replied, take up a collection for us to buy ice: it's  
 $2.50 a
 POUND.!!

 So MC asked if I could post this to the group, that if anyone could
 spare a dollar or two to please contact MC at her email here:
 [  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ].

 If you can monetarily great, if not, please send prayers that they get
 power back soon, thanks everyone!

 -- 

 Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel

2008-09-09 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry - thanks for letting us know.  Gloria


On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote:

 I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away
 yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong  
 enough
 to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a  
 prayer
 for them.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS(nonFELV)

2008-08-31 Thread Gloria Lane
Problem is, if you turn these shelter people in, and you're a rescuer,  
these folks may take it out on you and your pets/rescues.

Gloria



On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:38 AM, Alice hanson wrote:

 Kelley, that is one of the worst things I have ever heard!!! That  
 place ought to have their license pulled. It is a blatant error! I  
 feel so bad for you and those poor innocent beings. Where is this  
 place?
 Alice

  - Original Message -
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to  
 CLS (nonFELV)


  Kelley that is just aweful!!! I am sickened by this.bless their  
 little souls.
  Sherry

  --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

  From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS  
 (non FELV)
  To: felvtalk 
 Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 
  Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:50 PM

  Hi guys,

  I'm very sad today.  We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat  
 and a cat
  with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went  
 into a
  nursing home).  We were supposed to pick them up today.  The  
 shelter rescue
  coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed  
 two days
  ago.

  Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all  
 handicapped
  kitties.

  I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat -  
 these cats
  were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of Revolution  
on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal parasites.  I  
also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a little bit  
(1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic anti-diarrhea  
tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food store and use  
it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin for diarrhea  
too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a little worried  
 because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have  
 some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time just to see  
 where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so glad you joined this group - I remember when I found my little  
kitten Calawalla Banana BooBoo, in 2001, and she looked so darned  
healthy - so lively, and she tested positive for FELV and I just  
didn't know anything about it.  Fortunately, I had a vet who didn't  
sugggest euth. and who said not to worry, the virus dies when it hits  
the air, etc etc.  I kept her separated from my other cats for a while  
- even taped paper to the bottom of the door.  But after rading and  
talking and being on this list, I finally decided to just open the  
doors up and mix the cats.  WOrked fine.

Calawalla died in 2004. I knew about interferon, from Tally and her  
web site, but never used it - just didn't think that healthy little  
kitten would get sick and die.  But she did, she was between 2.5 and 3  
yrs old.It seemed fairly sudden, but she had mediastinal lymphoma.

Anyhow, I'm a believer in daily interferon, if the kitties are less  
than 4 years old.  I have a friend with 1 FELV cat and 1 non-FELV  
cat.  She's used oral low dose interferon for her FELV cat, and kitty  
has made it past kittenhood into adult hood (must be 5 or 6 now).   
There are vastly different prices available for interferon.

BTW, I have 5 FELV cats right now - 1 is 5, 2 are around 13 years, and  
the new one is a year or two - I'm starting him on interferon.

SOunds like your kitten may have some additional problems, but he may  
turn out ok - I'd encourage you to go ahead and pursue keeping him  
healthy, and also look into interferon.  Chicken sounds like a good  
option for upset stomach, btw.

Best of luck,

Gloria


On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was  
 actually very healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten  
 formula.  The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he  
 was between
 2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple  
 bottle so we feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we  
 could not feed him fast enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We  
 did everything for him a mom cat would do.  He thrived.  When he was  
 about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet  
 because she was also taking her cat.  Everything looked good until  
 they did the fel Luk test.  It came take positive.  We were all  
 shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do.  Like do we want  
 them to put him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This active happy  
 go lucky kitten.  I couldn't imagine doing something like that.   We  
 were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against  
 it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was last summer.  Now he is  
 a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again.  We think  
 he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All this time  
 we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two  
 dogs and another cat.  There has not been any openings, I think  
 possibly because he is felv positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and  
 some guk in his eyes.  But he does act fine.  I do feed him dry food  
 because he throws up wet food.  He needs to see a vet, but I don't  
 have the money.  I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and  
 have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am wondering if chicken  
 breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also exploring to see  
 if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would get the  
 top plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.   
 I think most lab work is included.  And I also think they he will  
 need plenty of blood test to check his blood count.  Any advise is  
 very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy

2008-08-22 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry - I agree, I have little faith in chemo for cats.  And  
this is such a personal decision to make.  There is some chemo that  
has helped in situations I've had with lymphoma cats, but it seems to  
be in shrinking lymph nodes temporarily.  I've had fluid drawn out of  
chest areas also, and that's also helped extend their life and comfort.

I think it was vincristine that we used for these kitties, and it  
seemed to help hold things at bay for a while, with mediastinal  
lymphoma.  IT didnt seem very harsh, and the vet confirmed that. Also  
had 1 blood transfusion per cat and that helped.

There is a Wisconsin protocol, where the chemo is alternated, and I've  
never used it, but it sounded effective in some situations,  possibly.

Best of luck to you.

Gloria


On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele,

 Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness.  It's very helpful
 and comforting to hear from people what have been through something
 similar and/or who truly care.

 I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to
 do.  My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on
 laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of
 mistake, she is indeed FeLV+.  Over this past weekend, she suddenly
 stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a
 tuxedo) to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and  
 she
 was lethargic.  The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the
 blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC  
 count
 twice what it should be.  Analysis of the bone marrow points to
 lymphoma.  The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past
 experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in
 Veterinary oncologists.  I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false
 help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's
 little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or
 worse, that it will cause suffering.

 Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's
 leg.  My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon
 was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins.  He  
 offered
 amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and
 I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger  
 dogs
 and even cats do perfectly well with three legs).  It turns out it was
 really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week
 later, Rebel had a tumor on his back.  The tumor on his leg grew back
 and continued to grow despite chemotherapy.  It was the size of a  
 large
 honeydew.  But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a
 miracle.   There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel.
 Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and
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 told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment.  I went
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 treatment would help.  So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a  
 week
 before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug
 (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors.

 I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want
 to do what's best for our furry family members.  It's just so hard to
 know what is best.  But your support and advice have been my saving
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Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy

2008-08-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Yup, I remember using Prednisone too - and it did help.  I'm not sure,  
but I think it not only suppresses symptoms, but suppresses the  
inflammation, so guess less fluid collecting in the chest area (or  
whereever).

Gloria


On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you, Gloria.I think what's adding to the fact that I have
 little faith in the Veterinary community is the fact that it seems as
 though many veterinarians don't know a whole lot about FeLV.   It's
 difficult because I expect to be able to turn to the Veterinarians  
 so I
 can get accurate information and make an informed decision.  But the
 ones I've spoken to don't seem to have much info at all.  In fact, my
 regular Veterinarian thought my Emma had a large tumor.  It turns out
 that what she was feeling was a very full bladder.  Argh 
 For
 now, I'm going ahead with the Prednisone.  Since starting her on it,
 her appetite is back, so maybe she'll regain some strength.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

2008-08-20 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry to hear that, Laura. All our kitties will welcome Duncan  
and your other baby to the Bridge where they will no longer have  
suffering. Sleep soft, sweet Duncan.

On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Laura Mostello wrote:

 Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering  
 from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he  
 was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was  
 crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency  
 vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at  
 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told  
 me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had  
 showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about  
 possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and  
 kindest, to put him down.
 He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating  
 and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100%  
 because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never  
 shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two  
 positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them  
 checked out at the vet next week.
 I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very  
 good past couple of weeks for me.
 Laura

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Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update

2008-08-19 Thread Gloria Lane
That's wonderful, Caroline!!

Gloria


On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:


 Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged  
 seizures:
 By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my  
 choice,
 I knew it was going to go well.  The more people I talked to about  
 it, the
 more people said there was something wrong with those people at  
 that house
 and having him out of there was the most important thing.  But he's  
 just
 gotten better and better.  I have no trouble medicating him at  
 all.  Just
 those first few times.  He's actually one of the easiest I've ever  
 medicated
 now!!  I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super  
 fast--
 he's a good boy!  The odd aggressive behavior is lessened.  He  
 totally
 trusts me already and is a complete love-bug.  He is just a quirky,  
 willful
 little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run  
 around and be
 hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up,  
 he does
 that growling, but it's funny/harmless.  Most importantly, no  
 seizures-- no
 signs of seizures.  I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he  
 never
 left me with the way he responds to me!

 So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George  
 Cat
 yesterday!  He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the  
 doctor's lap
 and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything!  It's great  
 to
 watch.  Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe
 those people said they were going to put him down!  He said this is  
 not a
 cat you even consider that with!  He agrees there was possible  
 abuse.  But
 he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the  
 exam room-
 that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's  
 very
 possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the  
 people- since
 they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted.  He said  
 that's very
 possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it  
 might
 just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that  
 could be why
 he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them).  He said  
 since
 there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to  
 change
 anything.  Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth.  Then he  
 wants to
 see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a  
 phenobarb level
 at that time.  Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and  
 monitoring
 the level.  He said if we start taking him off and he has a  
 seizure- then we
 know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will
 control it.  But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at
 all.  No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no  
 signs-- totally
 alert and bright.  He said if it was FIP, there'd be other  
 neurological
 signs, like ataxia.  But also, I don't know if I told you that?-  
 adoptive
 parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo,  
 felv, fiv-
 neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work looks great.  Good news all
 around!  He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have  
 him back
 in my care!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?

2008-08-15 Thread Gloria Lane
I too have little experience with seizures.  I have heard of using  
steroids, rather than phenobarb, for seizures, but dont know anything  
about it..  I've recently been around a kitten that moved in a tight  
circle, we suspected brain injury,  so appreciate that info Michele..

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that  
 suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not  
 aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He  
 does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's  
 really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong  
 sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is  
 on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked  
 the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with  
 medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores.

 Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the  
 cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We  
 have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never  
 gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could  
 happen.

 One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a  
 tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing  
 it too much I have  to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid  
 a seizure.

 --
 Michele

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 From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It  
 appears the
 non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had  
 severe UTIs
 and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I  
 feel that I
 literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their  
 UTIs-- are
 coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I  
 was unable
 to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to  
 get to them
 until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or  
 a congenital
 heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe  
 of dry FIP or
 Toxo).

 Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are
 littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some  
 point) was
 returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a  
 lady I did
 not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original  
 rescue (it's a
 long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was  
 always the most
 hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he  
 would make
 mince-meat of this old lady and her husband.

 They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the  
 end of July.
 He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm  
 not clear
 on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took  
 blood, didn't
 find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the  
 seizures
 started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having  
 difficulty
 reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive  
 parents say
 he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed  
 seems to
 have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to  
 examine. The vet
 put him on clavamox for the nails.

 They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more  
 seziures and the
 vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV  
 and most
 importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV).  
 We are
 awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the  
 earliest and of
 course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't  
 necessarily
 expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo  
 titers are thru
 the roof (but even still?).

 Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected  
 than I would
 like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly  
 droop that I am
 NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which  
 the vet treated
 him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again,  
 if he's
 having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to  
 look unhealthy
 on the outside.

 The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate  
 him. They
 were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and  
 Clavamox. The lady
 said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has  
 bit her many
 times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his  
 wife is not
 in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he can't have the  
 cat doing
 that to her so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I  
 asked if he
 was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken  
 that 

Re: [Felvtalk] Gloria/ question

2008-08-14 Thread Gloria Lane
Hey Jane -
]]\ I haven't used it in a year or two, so I'll have to check my  
dosage.  I used instructions from the vet I got it from and used  
Tally's instructions at 
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html

In fact it was originally Tally who promoted it's use here.  This is  
human interferon, not Omega Interferon.

As I recall, I mixed it as per the vets instructions, then put it in  
smaller tubs which I would thaw out periodically to use .

When I originally got it from my vet, the cost was excessive.  Like  
$60 for a fairly small bottle.  I found different prices with  
different vets, and finally found it (unmixed) for $15 from a  
sympathetic vet, and started mixing it myself (as per his instructions  
and Tallys instructions, except I used plastic tubs not syringes.

Gloria



On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:

 Gloria I am going to follow your advice.

 My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and  
 recovered
  with the exception of mildly inflamed gums.  Last week she had a
 relapse
 with some sneezing and a mild runny nose.

 Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should
 begin
 interferon.
 Would you tell me what you use and how?
 I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never
 offered it as an
 alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and
 what dosage
 to give.
 If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the
 first year.

 I appreciate your advice.

 Jane





 On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 Welcome to the list!  I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary
 food.  Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have
 rescue cats.  But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma,
 and they're over 10.  I've had them for a few years, the previous
 owner had them for quite a few.  They're not on anything special,
 except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them
 vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped.  Go figure.

 All my FELV cats are over 3.  The problems I've had are at the age
 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age.  My
 current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs.  I
 have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it
 to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're
 doing great too!

 Thanks for writing and for joining the list!

 Gloria
 in Arkansas



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 Hello!  I'm new to this list.  My husband and I have two FeLV
 positive cats.  Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June.  We
 have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with
 our vets.  So far, Bo and Seven are in good health.

 I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV.  Any tips
 from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health
 diet for our beloved cats?

 Glad to be a part of this list!

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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens beFeLV+??

2008-08-11 Thread Gloria Lane
I don't know the groups in Southern New Jersey (although I lived  
there many years ago) - but some group will gladly help you with  
testing and s/n.  Yes, the kittens would most likely be euthanized at  
a shelter, if FELV +.Good chance they'd be euthanized even if  
negative.
BTW, some vets will spay a pregnant cat, depending on how far along,  
some won't.  Let us know what the test results are!

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash.  Isobel is  
 showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as  
 pointy nipples).  She's going this Thursday to get tested for  
 FeLV.  My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she  
 won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+  
 because their father is FeLV+?  Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she  
 is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too?  I  
 feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money  
 is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet.  If  
 she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three  
 and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in  
 the house, which I understand.  If I take them to a shelter and  
 they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away?  I don't  
 want that to happen.  I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want  
 more kittens??  When I take her to the
  vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy.

  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat

2008-08-06 Thread Gloria Lane
I know that the party line is that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and  
I've always understood that.

But I know of a vet in Oklahoma who *did* advocate vaccinating FELVs  
as a part of enhancing the immune response.  Surprised me, but the  
cats I got were from that project were 10 years old and healthy.  I  
have not continued the vaccinating.  2 of them since died,  once  
immediately after transport to Arkansas, the other one died last year  
after I came back from vacation.  The other 2 are still with me (and  
maybe 12-13 years old.)

Ya never know...

Gloria



On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sabrina wrote:

 She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. 

 Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
 vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.  
 Check
 your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine  
 (Intervet
 Protex-3) says on the label:

 Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any  
 disease,
 or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may  
 not
 achieve or maintain an adequate immune response.

 Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need  
 further
 challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,  
 vaccines are
 NOT harmless.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-06 Thread Gloria Lane
Agreed here - they're completely separate  -kitty doesn't need  
vaccinations prior to spay/neuter.

Gloria



On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
 serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you can't
 do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
 be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).  They
 went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the
 age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
 wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed
 for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I want
 them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
 with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
 the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
 to vaccinate.
 On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
 going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
 because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be fixed
 without his vaxes.  What should I do?


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~ loving mama to ~
Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk
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 Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM

 She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
 

 Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
 vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.
 Check
 your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine
 (Intervet
 Protex-3) says on the label:

 Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
 disease,
 or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may
 not
 achieve or maintain an adequate immune response.

 Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need
 further
 challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,
 vaccines are
 NOT harmless.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat

2008-08-05 Thread Gloria Lane
Tabby's Place perhaps?  http://www.tabbysplace.org/

Gloria




On Aug 5, 2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote:


 Hi,
 Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat.  Female,  
 young (between 1-3 years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date  
 on vaxes before rehomed.  The cat was abandoned at the shelter I  
 work at, she tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find  
 a home in a week.  She will be pts if I don't find her a place to  
 go.  I can not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs  
 and a husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another  
 cat.  Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a  
 carrier.  In the new york area...Please help
 Jeni
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 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:07:09 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.

 Yipee!!!

 I am so happy for the good news. Junior started out anemic as well  
 it was
 actually the first symptom that something was wrong. He was put on  
 Baytril
 rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It  
 was not
 as bad as Buzzy's.

 Great News.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat

2008-08-05 Thread Gloria Lane
Might call and ask them who does...?

Gloria




On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote:


 I know they take FIV and many other health concerns, but I don't  
 think they do Felv.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need  
 help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat  Tabby's Place  
 perhaps? http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Gloria On Aug 5,  
 2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote:Hi,  Need help-seeking  
 forever home for feluk positive cat. Female,   young (between 1-3  
 years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date   on vaxes before  
 rehomed. The cat was abandoned at the shelter I   work at, she  
 tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find   a home in  
 a week. She will be pts if I don't find her a place to   go. I can  
 not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs   and a  
 husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another
 cat. Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a
 carrier. In the new york area...Please help  Jeni  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
     Date: Mon, 4 Aug  
 2008 17:07:09 -0400  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.  
   Yipee!!!   I am so happy for the good news. Junior  
 started out anemic as well   it was  actually the first  
 symptom that something was wrong. He was put on   Baytril   
 rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It  
   was not  as bad as Buzzy's.   Great News.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread Gloria Lane
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -

...from veterinarypartner.com...

• Oral Lysine
Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an  
amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.  
The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.  
We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with  
lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is  
readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.  
One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative  
propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this  
compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to  
determine if supplementation has been helpful.

Gloria




On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats

2008-07-22 Thread Gloria Lane
I have had FIV cats mixed with non-FIV cats for 4 or 5 years.  No  
problems. I know others in my area who do that too.  Our vet supports  
it.  My FIV cats stay pretty darn healthy, like the other cats.  So no  
problem!

Hope this helps -

Gloria


On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM, April and Jay wrote:

 I am thinking of bring in a sweet sray we've been caring for into  
 our home. He is FIV Positive and non of my cats are. From what I  
 have been reading it only seems to be past on by a deep bite wound.  
 Does anyone have a FIV cat with non FIV cats? He has been very  
 healthy. How long a life do they usely have? Thanks ahead of time!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

2008-07-17 Thread Gloria Lane
It does load up faster, James - is that because of the new server or   
hosting co, or what?

Great job -

Gloria



On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:12 PM, James G Wilson wrote:

 Hey all,

 I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website
 (with Belinda's help). You can check it out at:
 http://www.felineleukemia.org
 I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If
 anyone wishes to help update the content of the site,
 please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly,
 I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my
 out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes.

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any contact in Houston, TX?

2008-07-08 Thread Gloria Lane
Anybody have any contacts in Houston, TX?  There's an FIV cat down  
there that I'd like to find a home for.  Looking for possible contacts  
in rescue, and/or at one of the universities, etc.

Thanks,

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Re: Prayers needed AGAIN

2008-07-02 Thread Gloria Lane

Prayers coming for Melina!  Gloria


On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful  
sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her  
feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has  
started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her  
tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment  
I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But  
maybe she can win just this one more time.

THank you all so much
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Re: spaying

2008-06-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Sounds good - better safe than sorry.

Gloria


On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra  
 precautions are
 taken with cats like Persians.  The anesthetic used is Isoflorine  
 and she
 will be intubated.

 Lynne
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 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
 cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh

Re: OT - sorta

2008-06-24 Thread Gloria Lane
I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) -  course he  
was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him.  I did no  
special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to  
stop diarrhea, worked great.  He broke one of his frail legs, but the  
vet couldn't set it because it was so thin.  I'm trying to remember -  
think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better.  But he  
died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that,  
ate well too, just died one night.


I have 1 double pos now, B.B.   He came to me in a pretty healthy  
state, and he has no problems.  He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for  
a year, I think.  All my feleuks are doing well now.


With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative  
treatment on, figured why torture the kitties.  Just try to keep the  
stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable.  Have  
had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3  
yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to  
boost the immune system.


Gloria





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Hi guys,

The off-topic part:  We are trying to think of catchy names for  
our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for  
basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc).


The on topic part of this:  as some of you read, one of the kitties  
we had neutered through this program turned out double pos.  So my  
question is:  How far should we really go with this cat?  He has a  
home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it  
makes any difference if he is really + or not.  We got the other cat  
in the household vaccinated and boostered.  The problem is that the  
more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats.


As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I  
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Re: I must be nuts!

2008-06-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Congrats!  That's wonderful, Sue.  My personal baby is a flame point  
mix who's over 10 - not FELV, but he used to hang out with 2 of my  
FELV babies who are not gone to the bridge.  So I have a soft heart  
for flame points.

Gloria


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 Hi Everyone!
 Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful  
 16lb. flame point siamese boy.  He is 10 years old and FeLV+.
 I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted  
 another loveable lap cat kitty.  There were over 200 cats in that  
 home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over.  He just snuggled  
 right in.  His previous owner passed away in January.  She had a lot  
 of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs.  She  
 had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given  
 vet care.  When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to  
 this rescue and several were FeLV+.  Ironically, that was about the  
 time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for  
 him.  When I called this rescue they told me that they had just  
 taken in several positives and did not have room.  If someone had  
 told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never  
 would have believed them.
 Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat.  He is even  
 getting along fairly well with the other 5.  Yesterday I had him to  
 the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was  
 never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was  
 stiff).  Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or  
 not.  They also re-confirmed the FeLV+.  Anyway I am getting way too  
 long winded.
 Thanks for listening to me ramble,
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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the  
spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the  
Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you  
might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in  
good shape before any surgery.

And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has  
Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes  
which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat  
facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had  
kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian  
cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,  
and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just  
using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,  
the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if  
they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs  
don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to  
anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to  
Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

==
http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is  
possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be  
due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats  
undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially  
sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced  
by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more  
sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is  
supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with  
Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia  
(included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats  
to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to  
use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,  
intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets  
can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed  
pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing  
dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

==

Hope this is helpful.

Gloria




On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
 ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
 and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
 out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
 find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
 diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the 

Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!

2008-06-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING  
PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
As I understand this is a Persian!

Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've  
spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a  
kitty this way.  See the article below.

Gloria

---



On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now

Re: Prayers needed for Michelle's Patches

2008-06-16 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry - prayers coming for Patches!

Gloria

On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:50 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

 I don't know if this will go through as I don't seem to be getting
 regular email from the list. But if it does could you please send
 prayers for former listmember Michelle's (Lerner) Patches. (See below)
 I haven't been able to post recently in any case, but please know  
 all of
 you on the list are and always will be very close to my heart.
 Sending prayers for all your sick furbabes, and my condolences and  
 hugs
 to all those who have lost a beloved furbaby.
 Love and thanks for all you do for our furbabies, Kerry

 Michelle's email:
 Patches was just diagnosed with lymphoma and needs prayers-- can  
 you
 ask the list? She is feeling ok; Gray noticed a hard lump on her
 abdomen. Right now all we know is that she has a subcutaneous lymphoma
 mass; it's unclear whether it has spread. We have an oncology
 appointment for tomorrow. If it is only subcutaneous, there are some
 good survival time statistics, but she is FeLV+, FIV+, diabetic, and
 hyperthyroid and at least 7 years old (and vet thinks older). Given
 that, I think she needs a lot of prayers.

 She is my last positive baby left.

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Re: Humphrey Please add to the CLS :(

2008-06-10 Thread Gloria Lane

I'm so sorry, Sherry - sleep soft sweet Humphrey...

Gloria


On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

I am saddened to say that we lost yet another sweet Sids  
kid.Humphrey was a trooper through it all,feeding tube,meds  
everything Dr. Jen could do to make him better.He lived with her at  
the clinic during the week and on the weekends someone from the  
clinic would take him home.We had him at the sanctuary on and off  
and just this past weekend he was with us.He was a big beautiful  
gray boy with a sweet soft meow.


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Re: Re:

2008-06-07 Thread Gloria Lane

OK Thanks, MC!


On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:11 AM, MaryChristine wrote:

try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources but give the  
database time to load--it's BIG.


plus, i'll send it on to a feral friend in the area. wait, that  
didn't come out right.. or maybe it did.



On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gloria B. Lane  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I sent this message to CentralTexasRescue, but thought I'd check with
my FELVtalk friends and see if there's any Texas folks or knowledge
out here!   This is not an FELV issue, but a feral and s/n issue.

I'm know someone in Grand Saline, TX, east of Dallas, who's taking
care of some feral cats. He now has a feral mama with babies, and is
looking for low-cost spay/neuter resources in his area.

I thought I'd see if anybody knows of any low cost s/n in that area -
Dallas/Ft Worth, and east of there.

Thanks!

Gloria


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Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(

2008-05-27 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry, Sherry - Hope he had a gentle passing, and was greeted  
joyfully by all our babies at the Bridge.

Gloria


On May 26, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary babies.
 Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was talking to  
 me alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I will  
 miss that great boy.
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Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment

2008-05-22 Thread Gloria Lane
I think James needs to change the default so that the REPLY goes to  
the list not the individual.


Gloria


On May 21, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Chris wrote:

I have a feeling that the difference is that you now have to “reply  
to all” to reply to the list—otherwise the mail just goes to the  
person who posted it.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:30 PM
To: MacKenzie, Kerry N.; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment

I am having the same problem. Not many emails here either.

Sally


On 5/21/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for that Sally. I must find time to look at it.
On a different note, I don't think the list can be working. Replies  
to emails from the list seem to go only to the respondee, unless  
Reply to All is chosen.

I'll try to contact James tomorrow.
What sort of service are you getting? Normal, or hardly anything?
Kerry

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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment


Hi Folks,

 I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this  
subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7  
days in a dry environment.


http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/askDr/FeLVEnvironment.pdf

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Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment

2008-05-18 Thread Gloria Lane
Hmmm, this is what I get out of it.  What they seem to be saying is  
that there are 2 kind of viruses, enveloped viruses and non-enveloped  
viruses.
The enveloped ones break down more easily.  FELV is an enveloped  
virus, as are FIPV, FIV, and HIV.  They did some tests with other  
enveloped
viruses, and depending on the conditions, the virus lasted longer than  
was expected.


They did not, however, do tests on the FELV virus, and couldn't find  
any that had been done on FELV;  but they're assuming that it's  
possibly true
that this virus can last longer in the environment that they thought  
(or not).


This is an excerpt from that article - a paragraph about FELV is  
underlined and bigger:

---
...
For years it was assumed that the enveloped FIPV and the other feline  
coronaviruses were
quite labile and did not survive outside the cat any length of time,  
perhaps a matter of hours.
However, studies in our laboratory on the survivability of FIPV on  
contaminated objects
provided surprising results. Aliquots of an infectious viral  
preparation were dried onto Petri
dishes and allowed to remain at room temperature for up to seven  
weeks. At varying times
samples were assayed for infectious virus. There was some loss of  
infectivity during the drying
process, but then the amount of infectious virus remained relatively  
constant with only a gradual
decrease in viability. FIPV virus could be recovered up to seven weeks  
from these dried

samples.

Results of studies on other parvoviruses, herpesviruses, and  
coronaviruses of animals

were consistent with our findings. [Brown, AmJVetRes 42:1033-36, 1981]

I have attempted to find published controlled studies that address the  
survivability of
FeLV in the environment, but to date I have been unable to find a  
creditable report in the
literature. Absent such a study, what can we learn from other studies  
that can reasonably predict

what occurs with FeLV.

Van Bueren et al. [J. Clin. Microbiol. 32(2):571-574, 1994] studied  
the survival of human
immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the cause of human AIDS, in suspension  
and dried on surfaces.
They looked at survival of both cell-free and cell-associated virus  
either suspended in serum or
dried onto glass surfaces. Both cell-associated and cell-free HIV  
suspended in serum survived
for several weeks at room temperature. Cell-free HIV that was dried  
onto a glass surface
survived for at least seven days, while cell-associated HIV was  
inactivated faster than cell-free
virus, but still survived up to five days. The published results of  
several other studies on HIV are

consistent with the results obtained by Van Bueren et al.

FeLV, HIV, and FIV all belong to the same virus family, retroviruses.  
It is reasonable to
assume that the survivability of FeLV on a contaminated surface will  
be similar to that of HIV –
days to weeks rather that minutes to hours. There is no scientific  
evidence to show that the
simple process of drying of FeLV immediately renders it inactive or  
not infectious.



On May 18, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote:


Hi Folks,

 I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this  
subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7  
days in a dry environment.


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Re: Remove name from list

2008-05-06 Thread Gloria Lane
Think you can unsubscribe yourself by using the form at the bottom of  
this page -  http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


Gloria


On May 6, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote:



Diane

I am surprised that this group is clogging your email box. I have to  
hunt though other groups emails to even find a couple of emails from  
this group.


You will have to unsubscribe yourself. I am not sure exactly how,  
but you need to go to the website to do this.


Best of luck to you and your feline family.

Sally

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Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008

2008-05-05 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry to hear about sweet baby Hobbs.  He was very fortunate to  
have such loving care during his lifetime, and as he was declining - a  
great blessing.  I'm wondering how old he was.   Sleep soft sweet  
Hobbs...


Gloria


On May 5, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Heather Wienker wrote:

I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday  
afternoon at 12:48 p.m.


His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish  
suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining.   She  
felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force  
feedings as he was obviously in pain.   She did keep his mouth moist  
and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever  
he wanted or could.   She took a sleeping bag in her spare room   
slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard  
with him in the sun, petting and consoling him.


We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended  
up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears  
she allowed him to suffer.   I think had we not tried the treatments  
of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more  
time.


Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his  
sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod,  
as Jann would say.  Hobbs was a year old.   I am very thankful to  
Jann for giving Hobbs  Sissy the chance to live the life of love  
that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood.   We  
found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy  
university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of  
campus.   I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling  
everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God.   Upon moving, I  
had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also  
was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was  
Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom.   She had an eye  ear injury and my heart  
immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a  
nursing Mom.   I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd  
caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative),  
she also was not injured then.   Why she was put back out unspayed,  
I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have  
more kittens.   When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was  
positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom.   I really feel that  
Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey  Sebastian were that sign from God I'd  
sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and  
likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for  
Leukemia had someone else trapped them.


I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had  
already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom'  
testing status.  Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did  
clear the FIV.   Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they  
retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting  
twice.


I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and  
knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with  
leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was  
no way I could not give them their chance.   However, being in a  
small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another  
negative cat.   It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and  
Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know  
they could not have had a more loving home.   I am very grateful for  
Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now.


I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and  
prayers.   Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to  
Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has  
always told me this.   His illness and loss has been very hard for  
her and she has been very appreciative of the support.   Thank you  
all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they  
have here, it means everything in the world for them.


In Loving Memory of Hobbs,

Heather





Re: my poor snowy

2008-04-26 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry, but glad they found it.  I've had that experience, with  
an emergency vet being completely uncaring, or seeming to be.  It's a  
pain, a real stresser.  I try never to go back to those guys, once I  
find out what they're like.


Bless you - hang in there.

Gloria



On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Lynne wrote:

Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week.  I  
went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump  
on her right paw.  When I touched it she meowed so I got her into  
the emergency vet.  They told me I did nothing wrong that this had  
happened to her over a very long period of time.  Her nail had grown  
into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and  
remove it.  It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed  
easily.  I don't get this.  She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting  
her and no one noticed this.  Now the poor little thing has to be on  
antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things  
so she won't lick her paw.  She had a piece taken out of it and  
cauterized.  I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been  
through in her short life.  I just hope all this trauma doesn't  
cause her herpes virus to resurface.  The first thing the vet did  
when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she  
got all upset.  I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked  
why.  He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a  
persian their eyes tear.  Fortunately there was a very  
knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than  
this guy did.


Lynne




Re: Today is test day

2008-04-24 Thread Gloria Lane

Sue, thoughts and prayers coming for Buzz -  Best of luck,  GLoria


On Apr 24, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Sue Koren wrote:


Hello everybody,
Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he  
was diagnosed positive for FeLV.  I am trying not to hope too much,  
but there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out  
negative.  Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne.
Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with  
the other cats.  I did some of the things the people in this group  
recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple  
of days ago when some electricians came to our house.  He really  
freaked!  He hid for 8 hours after they were gone.  His fear  
probably had something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten.
Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it  
sure would be appreciated.

Sue







Re: Please add Inky to CLS

2008-04-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Kerry, I noticed that the reply I sent  about Inky didn't make it to  
the list.  I send all my sympathy in your loss of sweet Inky - So  
amazing to make it to almost 22 years, what a guy. It's hard to lose  
someone after so long, who's really become a part of you - I know  
he'll stay in your heart forever.  My thoughts are with you.


Gloria


On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:54 AM, Kerry Roach wrote:

I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send  
it. I guess there has been a problem with the sight.  Hope this was  
ok.


Thanks, Kerry

--- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please add Inky to CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM

Hi everyone,

I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when  
Bandy was ill.  Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added  
to friends at the CLS.  He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle.  He  
was 21 yrs 8 months and 4 days.  He fought a tough battle with CRF,  
IBD, and hyper-t for the past 2 1/2 yrs.  He went on his own terms  
and in his own time..He did some really unusual things the last 10  
days prior to his death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite  
places in the house and such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I  
miss him so much..The place isn't the same without him as most of  
you know how that is.


Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday.

Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help  
with anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here  
real soon.


Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Inky, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Striper,  
Albert and Alberta



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Re: test

2008-04-19 Thread Gloria Lane
Sometimes the hosting companies get a lot of spam coming from them,  
for whatever reason.  Like the company that felineleukemia.org resides  
on.   If that possibly happens, they get on a black list, and other  
companies will bounce all the email.  I dunno, but a possibility.   
It's happened to me in other settings.  May be something else of course.


Gloria



On Apr 19, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Sally Davis wrote:


Maybe someone hacked the site.

I did not use the link in the email to reactivate. I went directly  
to thw webpage. All seems well now.


Sally


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