[Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
http://goo.gl/uT6Evb not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research is needed." MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter
BY TONIGHT this is a website for cats in the NYC pound system, which is an absolutely horrible place. anyone who isn't sick when they get there will be. there's question about how much of that is the sheer number of critters who pass through the doors, and how much is really bad management and use of resources. every day around 6pm EDT, they post the cats who are marked for death the next day--the shelters are open to serious adopters phone calls til 8pm; they start euthing at 6am the following day. https://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcats the guy we're working on is the second one from the left--if you scroll down a bit, you'll see his biography; his name is patrick. the problem with these cats is that no rescue will pull them without having a definite, approved foster/adopter the website has more info than i do. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] two IAMS recall notices; small, but?.
here's the first one, dated august 29, 2010: http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224352.htm and here's the second one, dated august 31, 2010 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224675.htm MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
i do not believe that this belongs on this list; i have responded privately. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michelle Brockman wrote: > > > > > I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. > Not to NOT re-test. And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as > 60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from > medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue > FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an > accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected > in my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy. > > Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only > one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other > people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' > scenario based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many > many years and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a > novice when it comes to these matters. > > And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized > because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other > scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet > and as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I > suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab > tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with > busy lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to > vet or vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer > and urge them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances > with ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is > all I have to say about that. > > >> From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400 >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay? >> >> michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital. >> >> if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest >> proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is >> the recommended requirement, not 60. >> >> but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on >> this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. >> that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of >> the OLD tests. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital. if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is the recommended requirement, not 60. but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of the OLD tests. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michelle Brockman wrote: > > You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a > different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to > avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested > before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may > not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same > result as the previous test. > > If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until > spaying to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her > from getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as > easily. This all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside. > > > > Michelle Brockman > "It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be > remembered" > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400 >> From: furrygi...@gmail.com >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay? >> >> Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for >> a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we >> only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals >> who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor >> placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals & also discourage the >> practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going >> back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist >> on it & pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us). >> >> My vet has helped us with a number of FIV & FELV+ cats but I guess the >> situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before. >> >> It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered >> just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether >> to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting >> so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life >> seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!) >> >> This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of >> blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read & read >> the links, thanks for sending! >> >> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine >> wrote: >> >> > if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the >> > result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if >> > you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and >> > shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in >> > any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution. >> > >> > if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot. >> > >> > BUT: >> > >> > here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX, >> > who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november >> > (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out >> > there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives >> > >> > a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become >> > infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not >> > infection (antibodies). >> > >> > send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring >> > enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines >> > >> > she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck >> > veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain >> > viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up. >>
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution. if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot. BUT: here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX, who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not infection (antibodies). send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up. some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure. have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i looked it up, i just did it through a search engine. wordy as ever, MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather wrote: > Hello, > > Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested > FIV/FELV positive ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] belinda, can you walk folks through adding their vets
to the bemikitties database? thanks, dear! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit
let's let belinda answer that herself when she checks in! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Natalie wrote: > Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but where would I add my > veterinarian to the data base of FIV/FeLV- friendly vets? Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:33 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit > > okay, here's the latest. > > part of me is screaming hissed, because it turns out that dear josie > is probably NOT positive to start with--she came from a shelter that > we know is using the new test, and NONE of the FIV/FeLVs, supposedly, > from there have retested positive. > > she went to ANOTHER vet hospital to have the transfusion continued, as > of last night, she was up to 19 > > so the first vet who suspected mycoplasma hemofelis, but didn't test > for it, nor put her on doxy, was the real culprit. > > lots (LOTS) of vet bills later, but josie's a much happier cat, and > now we're just trying to smooth the feathers of all the humans > involved. > > PLEASE enter your good vets' info into the database at > www.adopt.bemikitties.com so we know where to find help when it's > needed. > > thanks. > > MC > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: >> I'm glad to hear it. Way to go Lisa and Josie >> >> Jenny >> >> >> On 8/25/10, MaryChristine wrote: >>> >>> she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount), >>> because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went >>> from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging >>> around. that's all i have now... >>> >>> >>> MC >>> -- >>> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >>> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >>> >>> MaryChristine >>> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue > (www.purebredcats.org >>> ) >>> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit
okay, here's the latest. part of me is screaming hissed, because it turns out that dear josie is probably NOT positive to start with--she came from a shelter that we know is using the new test, and NONE of the FIV/FeLVs, supposedly, from there have retested positive. she went to ANOTHER vet hospital to have the transfusion continued, as of last night, she was up to 19 so the first vet who suspected mycoplasma hemofelis, but didn't test for it, nor put her on doxy, was the real culprit. lots (LOTS) of vet bills later, but josie's a much happier cat, and now we're just trying to smooth the feathers of all the humans involved. PLEASE enter your good vets' info into the database at www.adopt.bemikitties.com so we know where to find help when it's needed. thanks. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > I'm glad to hear it. Way to go Lisa and Josie > > Jenny > > > On 8/25/10, MaryChristine wrote: >> >> she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount), >> because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went >> from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging >> around. that's all i have now... >> >> >> MC >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org >> ) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit
she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount), because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging around. that's all i have now... MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] reminder to add your great vets to belinda's great database!
www.adopt.bemikitties.com has a place to list vets who are friendly toward FIVs and FeLVs. PLEASE go register and add your vet, so that the next person who gets that diagnosis can find someone in their area whose first treatment suggestion is killing their cat. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] this is what i'd MEANT to send: Fwd: OT: new research on hemobartenella (including its new name!)
check out when i first sent this out--good thing i save things, and have a good search program! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) -- Forwarded message -- From: MaryChristine Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:39 PM Subject: OT: new research on hemobartenella (including its new name!) -- Forwarded message -- From: Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation < w...@winnfelinehealth.org> Date: Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM Subject: Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation<http://winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/> [image: Link to Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation]<http://winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/> Pradofloxacin for Feline Infectious Anemia<http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation/%7E3/yZ3DLx0E0mY/pradofloxacin-for-feline-infectious.html> Posted: 26 Feb 2009 04:00 AM PST Dowers, K. L., S. Tasker, et al. (2009). "Use of pradofloxacin to treat experimentally induced Mycoplasma hemofelis infection in cats." Am J Vet Res 70(1): 105-11. Mycoplasma hemofelis, formerly known as Hemobartonella felis, is the causative agent of feline infectious anemia. The bacterium is spread through flea bites and causes hemolytic anemia that may result in the death of infected cats. It is believed that most infected cats do not clear the organisms even with appropriate antimicrobial treatment, which most commonly is doxycycline. Pradofloxacin is a new fluoroquinolone antibiotic for veterinary use that appears to have increased effectiveness against many bacteria. In this study, treatment of cats infected with M. hemofelis with doxycycline was compared to low and high doses of pradofloxacin. All treatment regimens were equally effective in improving the clinical condition and blood parameters of infected cats. When assessed by molecular detection for clearance of the organism, both low and high dose pradofloxacin were effective, while none of the doxycycline-treated animals completely cleared detectable organisms. The authors concluded that pradofloxacin not only had anti-M. hemofelis effects, it may be more effective at long term M. hemofelis organism clearance than doxycycline. >> PubMed >> Abstract<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19119955?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum> Related articles: Willi, B., F. S. Boretti, et al. (2007). "From Haemobartonella to hemoplasma: Molecular methods provide new insights." Vet Microbiol 125(3-4): 197-209. >> PubMed >> Abstract<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17706380?ordinalpos=17&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum> Ishak, A. M., K. L. Dowers, et al. (2008). "Marbofloxacin for the treatment of experimentally induced Mycoplasma haemofelis infection in cats." J Vet Intern Med 22(2): 288-92. >> PubMed >> Abstract<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18312555?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum> More on cat health: Winn Feline Foundation Library<http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Health.html> Providing expert cat health information and supporting cat health research since 1968. <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:yIl2AUoC8zA> <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:UT3xtbGYFzA> <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:qj6IDK7rITs> <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:F7zBnMyn0Lo> <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:V_sGLiPBpWU> <http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Eff/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation?a=yZ3DLx0E0mY:AcalEHI_djE:oCFASsrFxfc> You are subscribed to email updates from Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation <http://winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now<http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=zr_B6IWR6PuxS7mHYyHlJ8-O17w> . Email delivery powered by Google Inbox too full? [image: (feed)]<http://feeds2.feedburner.com/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation> Subscribe<http://feeds2.feedburner.com/CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation>to the feed version of Cat Health News from the Winn Feline Foundation in a feed reader. If you prefer t
[Felvtalk] Bartonellosis and Hemoplasmosis
since we've been talking about this re: josie, the kitty (who's in upstate ny, btw) with the very low hematocrit, i went and pulled this up for folks to have in their reference libraries: http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Hemobart i'm gonna try really hard to remember the correct name of the nasty. rly. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
THANKS! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Beth wrote: > I did a blood transfusion on my cat with an 8 & Doxy & he started bouncing > back within a day. He was not FeLV+, but he did have Hemobart > > Beth > Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, jbero tds.net wrote: > > From: jbero tds.net > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, > etc > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:13 PM > > Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats. Gave > up before fighting, huh. > > With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble. If it's > hemobartonella the rbcs are being continually destroyed. They will > generally transfuse around 18 so she doesn't have much time to make a > decision. I would go to the emergency clinic if deciding to do the > transfusion as they often have blood in house. > > For hemobartonella, all it would really take is a drop of blood to look at > under the the scope to see if there is agglutination. It isn't a definitive > test, but very suggestive if there is a limited sample. > > As far as treating with doxy at this hct, I would. To the best of my > knowledge, doxy does not cause bone marrow suppression and the benefit of > treatment far outweighs the risk if this is truely a bartonella issue. > > It is unfortunate further work-up wasn't done. If it were me, I would > probably go to the emergency clinic, give sub q fluids, see if I could get a > smear to look for agglutination and if there was I would do the transfusion > and start doxy. This, however, can be expensive and invasive. She could > just try the doxy without a transfusion - in that case I would probably also > do prednisone as you need to stop any further destruction of rbcs, but only > for a matter of days. It may not work, but it would be the least invasive > and less expensive. > > She may than add some supplements - I'd do cod liver oil about half of human > gel capsule(for the Vitamin A, Vitamin D), NAC - about 100mg, and sodium > ascorbate - 750mg, and consider the herbal tonic. As you know, no > guarantees, but God is in the business of miracles, I believe. > > Good luck and God bless. > > Jenny > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM, MaryChristine > wrote: > >> my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it >> wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia >> either, makes it difficult. >> >> the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any >> blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM. i'd thought >> that the vast majority of cats in the US were one type, just wasn't >> sure which. >> >> perhaps the vet just presumed she'd want the cat euthed, so once he >> got preliminary results, he didn't keep looking. >> >> you think that doxy is not too hard on the system of a kitty with >> such a low hematocrit? >> >> the good thing is that the cat's mom is NOT going to do extraordinary >> care to make herself feel better. >> >> MC >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org >> ) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: >> > Hey, >> > >> > With respect to blood transfusions in cats. Most cats are blood group A >> - >> > around 99% in the US. As it is in people you need to match the blood >> > types. Because there is such a high prevelance of type A in the US, they >> do >> > not always do a type and cross - to me this seems foolish as it would be >> > easy to just do a cross and look for any reaction in the test tube. I >> don't >> > think they always know how to do this in general vet labs. If you have a >> > cat that is O or B (again unlikely in the US), they will react to the >> > transfusion of an A blood type donor. >> > >> > I personally have had bad luck with transfusions in felv because you are >> > only treating the symptoms of the disease and they will have to be >> > transfused every month or two. Every transf
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
talk to her, and let her know that she doesn't have to stay here for you. people and critters do, i believe, often stay longer than they might ordinarily, to try to protect us. i always tell mine that it's okay if their job here is complete, that they can cross the bridge, and mommy will be alright. (of course, five minutes later, i'm crying in their fur saying, "mommy's not ready!" but they understand my human frailty.) if they know it's okay for them to leave when it's their time, they WILL let you know. i think that every one of us has allowed a beloved one to stay longer, to be treated longer, than was optimum for the traveller: and most of us have learned to feel the difference between, "is this for me, or for them?" ask her to tell you when it's her time, and listen with her heart, not yours. it's the last thanks we can give them, the gift of a loving farewell. i can't remember the quote exactly, but i found it many years ago, and it's stayed with me: that it's better to send them home one day too soon, than five minutes too late. (i, of course, talk to them about the cloak room at the bridge where there are racks and racks of new, healthy bodies, in every breed and color and pattern and mixture--that they can pick out a new body where everything works, and exchange it anytime they want) MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
i just checked the link and it worked, so you might want to try again--site could have been down. but you CAN search from the main page. the saddest part is that the literature IS out there, so it's not that the veterinary profession doesn't have access to it; it seems that too many just go with the easy answer, tho it's been many years since, 'kill all positives," was ever the professional response. the good thing is that, because of people who wouldn't take, "kill," as an answer, research has stepped up again in the past few years. but getting it completed, evaluated, reviewed and published is just the first battle. if you can't find the file, i can send it to you--it's just too big to attach to the list! mc MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, paola cresti wrote: > Hi MC, > sorry finally catching up now with my mail. > thank you so much for the input, it seems like we need to make our own way on > this issue and forge ahead without data. Hopefully the Veterinary associations > will follow suit. > > I tried clicking on the link you gave me but it couldn't find it. I'll try > making searches for "AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines" > > Thank you again > > Paola > > > > > > From: MaryChristine > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:25:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update > > in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed > until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of > their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain > viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they > continue to test positive. > > vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the > SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for > antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. > > sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in > kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms > (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition > positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if > one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed > (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all > were most likely killed. > > asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while > kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. > > in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic > kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven > months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept > happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why > that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, > remember. > > kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not > necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their > age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. > > with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval > long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority > of kittens tested negative. still do. > > just no real data to 'prove' it. > > paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* > * > * > MC > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty
the er vet has seen the bloods, and no, a specific hemobart test was NOT run, so she'll do that. from the bloodwork, she suspects that is it, indeed, hemobart--lisa and josie are on their way into the vet's office now. so think sweet, red-blooded healing thoughts for her, please. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
THANK YOU, honey--i was hoping you'd jump in. okay, here's the latest--she's found an er vet that she's worked with before and likes (this one she took kitty to yesterday was a desperation choice, as she's moved recently--and everything to him is money.) they've got the bloodwork from the first vet, and i think that she's taking josie in tonight. i've got the bloodwork results if anyone wants to see them; otherwise, i guess we'll wait to see what the er vet has to say. again, thanks to all. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: > Baileys anemia was non regenerative and epogen and prednisolone kick > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Theo to CLC list
taking memories of feeling safe, and warm, and loved, and well-fed (well, this IS a kitten we're talking about)--what more could he ask. they come to us to teach us something they we need to learn, and only they can teach us. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Heather Clark wrote: > This sweet little orange baby was found starving in a ditch at a few weeks > old. We got him as well as we could but he never managed to be symptom > free. We gave him lots of love and hopefully made his short life better. > He succumbed to his illness today at only five months old. It's amazing > how much they touch your hearts in such a short time. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
i'm hoping that belinda sees this--i THINK that she's got all the literature references. what i'd been remembering is what i'm hearing back--that hemobartenellwhatever MUST be ruled out, as well as whether it's another form of regenerative anemia. i'd forgotten about the one untyped/crossmatched transfusion without trouble--again, this isn't the end of things that i usually work with! thanks to all--i'm sending things along. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: > Just another two cents to addwe had very good luck with two transfusions > of typed blood on our kitty several years ago. She didn't have FeLV issues. > > Sara > > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:07 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on > transfusions/epogen,etc > > Usually, a transfusion with un-typed blood can be done once, but there is a > risk. If the blood is typed and a matching blood used, the risk is very > slight. > > Gary > > -- > From: "Michelle Brockman" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:53 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, > > etc > >> >> I always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience. >> Our kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she >> did get. After the transfusion she perked up and seemed like she was >> getting better however an hour and half after she started to crash. Three >> hours later she was dead. The vet said that cats can have a bad reaction >> to the transfusion and in essence 'reject' the new blood. I wasn't aware >> if this before hand. I would have rather had a few more days with her >> rather than be blindsided by her death by transfusionif she was going >> to die anyway. >> >> Hopefully someone can give some helpful suggestions - I just know that >> transfusions, depending on the circumstances aren't always the best >> answer. I know too that we tried procrit but that took too long to have >> any effect and ultimately was pointless. >> >> Prayers for Josie... >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > __ NOD32 5394 (20100824) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
thanks, gary! i cannot for the life of me figure out why the vet didn't check for hemobartenellosis, and no, cat is NOT on doxy! on clavamox. (don't even ask.) MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia either, makes it difficult. the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM. i'd thought that the vast majority of cats in the US were one type, just wasn't sure which. perhaps the vet just presumed she'd want the cat euthed, so once he got preliminary results, he didn't keep looking. you think that doxy is not too hard on the system of a kitty with such a low hematocrit? the good thing is that the cat's mom is NOT going to do extraordinary care to make herself feel better. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Hey, > > With respect to blood transfusions in cats. Most cats are blood group A - > around 99% in the US. As it is in people you need to match the blood > types. Because there is such a high prevelance of type A in the US, they do > not always do a type and cross - to me this seems foolish as it would be > easy to just do a cross and look for any reaction in the test tube. I don't > think they always know how to do this in general vet labs. If you have a > cat that is O or B (again unlikely in the US), they will react to the > transfusion of an A blood type donor. > > I personally have had bad luck with transfusions in felv because you are > only treating the symptoms of the disease and they will have to be > transfused every month or two. Every transfusion increases the risk of a > bad transfusion reaction. If, however, the cat has a regenerative anemia > (lots of reticulocytes) and something like a hemobartonella infection, the > transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the hemobartonella may yield > positive results. What I am trying to say is that, if the cat is anemic > because his bone marrow is not producing more red blood cells, a transfusion > will only prolong the inevitable by a month or two (this would be end stage > effects of the felv). Unless there is some novel treatment for felv in this > stage (I haven't found much - LTCI, acemannan and interferon have been > proposed and sometimes help but no guarantees) and you are willing to try > one of them, I would probably not opt to do a transfusion. If, on the other > hand, there is a regenerative anemia and an underlying cause for the anemia > - like hemobartonella - a transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the > hemobartonella may be helpful. Especially if there is some desire to > attempt to treat the felv - LTCI, interferon, acemannan, a combination of > herbal remedies, etc. > > If all they want to do is a transfusion, I can almost guarantee that is will > simply prolong the inevitable by a few weeks. > > Hope that helps. > > Jenny > > > On 8/24/10, MaryChristine wrote: >> >> just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted >> a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a >> hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he >> said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new >> vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be >> whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info >> from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom. >> >> i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if >> any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie >> (the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've >> suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be >> in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the >> rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet >> near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're >> talking about would be a big help. >> >> thanks! >> >> MC, out of her depth >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org >> ) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom. i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie (the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're talking about would be a big help. thanks! MC, out of her depth -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?
unlike november 2009, IDEXX held the exclusive patent on at least part of the SNAP test technology. there were similar tests on the market, but since i just found out about the patent-expiration, i don't have the details re: how different the others were. i do know that the IDEXX tests, tho not without problems, were widely considered (in independent studies) as the best re: accuracy AND ease of interpretation. knowing about the patent issue sort of finalized it for me, and speaking with folks more on the business end of things, their reaction was similar: losing that exclusivity made it imperative for them to come up with something to patent as new and different, and all theirs. just since yesterday, i've found that false HW negatives are turning up in high numbers too--i guess that has been going on, but since my concern is FIV/FeLV, i just wasn't hearing about it. apparently, vets are becoming aware of this, but probably not quickly enough. please mention it when you see yours; when the vets start talking amongst themselves, it'll spread through conferences and other get-togethers. any time you hear of a shelter or rescue that's got a rise in FIV/FeLV, tell them to look into the pattern-- i'm very sorry that because of physical issues, i'm not able right now to contact everyone that i could check with, and then try to talk with IDEXX. i just cannot. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Beth wrote: > Is there more than one manufacturer of tests? If so is this a problem with > all manufacturers? > > Beth > Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > --- On Thu, 8/19/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > From: MaryChristine > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:08 PM > > i've been writing about this on the lists since may. > > there has been a huge increase in positive test results for both FIV and > FeLV ever since the newer tests were introduced, all over the country. so > many positives, in fact, that those of us who do this rescue thing all day, > realized that it had to be a problem with the tests somehow. > > it became clear that the problem was the new tests, because also all over > the country, cats retested with either the western blot or IFA were testing > negative: all of them, not just the majority as would be expected. i > actually only know of one cat who has tested positive on an IFA following a > positive on the new test. > > as most of you know, i usually am adamant about NOT retesting too soon for > FeLV, as the SNAP and IFA both test for exposure, not infection, so tests > taken too close together will show the same result. however, with this > pattern so clearly presenting itself, those of us following this are > recommending IMMEDIATELY retesting any FeLV positive cats with the older, > FIV/FeLV only tests. > > again, there's only been one report over a wide network of rescues and > rescue vets where a positive on the new test has been confirmed. of course > there will be others, because there ARE positive cats out there--but this > test isn't the one to trust re: finding them. > > just heard about a vet today who has had false positives with the HW > component, as well. > > is this confirmed? no--it's too new, and without a lot of talking amongst > ourselves we wouldn't have seen the pattern; most individual vets aren't > seeing it because they aren't the one being called daily to take all the > newly diagnosed positives! > > try to get a hold of some of the old tests--i heard that last month, they > were on back order (so vets are starting to rethink using the new ones) > would be my completely biased suggestion. > > > MC > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?
i've been writing about this on the lists since may. there has been a huge increase in positive test results for both FIV and FeLV ever since the newer tests were introduced, all over the country. so many positives, in fact, that those of us who do this rescue thing all day, realized that it had to be a problem with the tests somehow. it became clear that the problem was the new tests, because also all over the country, cats retested with either the western blot or IFA were testing negative: all of them, not just the majority as would be expected. i actually only know of one cat who has tested positive on an IFA following a positive on the new test. as most of you know, i usually am adamant about NOT retesting too soon for FeLV, as the SNAP and IFA both test for exposure, not infection, so tests taken too close together will show the same result. however, with this pattern so clearly presenting itself, those of us following this are recommending IMMEDIATELY retesting any FeLV positive cats with the older, FIV/FeLV only tests. again, there's only been one report over a wide network of rescues and rescue vets where a positive on the new test has been confirmed. of course there will be others, because there ARE positive cats out there--but this test isn't the one to trust re: finding them. just heard about a vet today who has had false positives with the HW component, as well. is this confirmed? no--it's too new, and without a lot of talking amongst ourselves we wouldn't have seen the pattern; most individual vets aren't seeing it because they aren't the one being called daily to take all the newly diagnosed positives! try to get a hold of some of the old tests--i heard that last month, they were on back order (so vets are starting to rethink using the new ones) would be my completely biased suggestion. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list
wonderful reminder that expending energy on revenge fantasies (after the first, satisfying ones) just takes it away from the critters still here that need it. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Karen Griffith wrote: > All of your messages touched my heart and brought tears, as I see that > there are so many other caring, loving people out there. > > I buried her and put the name 'Lovey' (as I had never had a cat named that) > in marker on plastic over her before I filled her grave...Thanks, she > deserved a name. 'Edith' my 18 year old grey and tan calico sat along side > as I buried her. (She had come up on the porch when I found the kitten and > was keeping her company until I found her.) > > Please don't condemn anyone for this kitten's situation, because someone > cared enough to bring her to me to try to help her. We live in a rural area > that has hit 17.9% unemployment in this economy and has over a 30% poverty > rate. I do a lot of free emergency work for horses, cats, and dogs and > whoever it was at least knew that I would try to save her. I just wish they > would have brought her sooner or left me a note telling me how and when the > trauma to her head had occurred (animal attack, vehicle, abuse, etc.) It > would have given me an advantage in successful treatment. > > Again, thank you all so much for your kind words (they eased my pain) and > caring so deeply for the wellbeing of the animals. > > My sincere thanks, > > Karen > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
*http://tinyurl.com/Merck-FeLV* * * *the info on regressive infection is in the aafp guidelines to managing feline retroviruses, which i've posted many times--check the archives. * * * * * MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sander, Sue wrote: > Can you please state the first paragraph in another way. I'm don't know > what you mean by "the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until > to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of > their system." This is very important to me because I have a very > healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago. He was a stray. This is > the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet > said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words). > > So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill? > I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago. > > Thanks very much. > > Susan > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update > > in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed > until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out > of > their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do > remain > viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they > continue to test positive. > > vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the > SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for > antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. > > sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are > in > kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms > (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be > definition > positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, > if > one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed > (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), > all > were most likely killed. > > asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, > while > kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. > > in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic > kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven > months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept > happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on > why > that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, > remember. > > kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not > necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their > age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. > > with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an > interval > long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the > majority > of kittens tested negative. still do. > > just no real data to 'prove' it. > > paolo, have you seen this? > *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* > * > * > MC > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue > (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list
'may the blessings of light be with her, light outside and light within her.' think of how many humans don't leave this earth in the presence of healing hands, and knowing love as their their last inspire-ation on this part of their journey. know how much your caring matters to the universe. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10
GLOW to guide her safely across the bridge, and to help heal the hearts of everyone who loved her. you gave her so much in her time with you; at some point, i hope you're able to understand that, and know that she carries those memories of your shared love with her just as you carry her in your heart forever. (yeah, sounds corny, but it's true.) MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Sharyl wrote: > Rocket had a bad week. She had gotten another Immunoreglin shot last > Monday. It didn't seem to help her at all. She just wasn't interested in > eating except for a little kibble. I tried several times to syringe feed her > but she got so upset. She would start panting like she couldn't catch her > breath. We were to go back to the vet today. This morning she wasn't able to > walk very well and was having problems breathing. > > So we made that final trip to the vet. Thankfully my dear neighbor drove > us. Rocket normally starts with heavy breathing when we go to the vet. This > morning was worse than normal. She had a small seizure as we were entering > the vet's office and died there in my arms. Her little heart just gave up. > I'm sure she had some type of tumor. Wasn't anemia like Sissy. > > She was such a good girl. Never a big love bug but enjoyed playing with the > feather toy and loved her treats. Even this last week she was rubbing my > leg as I was preparing the food plates. Another reason it was so > heartbreaking when she wouldn't eat. > > Rocket is my last FeLV baby. I do feel fortunate to have had her for almost > 4 yrs. I 1st met her at the dumpsters July '06. She was one of 5 kittens > that would come running when I showed up with food. Spooky vanished but over > time I was able to trap Rocket, Sissy, Daisy and Mae. Rocket and Sissy > became house kitties. Daisy and Mae were much older when I trapped them and > became garage kitties. Now Daisy's babies and these four are gone. Leaves a > big hole in my heart. At least she had a good life and wasn't sick until > these last few weeks. > > By sharing her story I am trying to celebrate her life and encourage others > to love their companions each and every day. > > Sharyl > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] new IAMS/Eukanuba recall, announced 7/30/10
haven't seen this yet on any but one list, so thought i'd send it along: http://www.iams.com/iams/en_US/data_root/html/recall_message.html -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ kitten needs home depsperately - NY area
she's been rescued! On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Natalie wrote: > I have a photograph - tried sending it, but it seems too large to be > accepted by this group. If anyone wants to see it, please let me know and > I'll shoot it off immediately! Thanks, > > Natalie > > > > > > Contact person (s) below: > > This beautiful, sweet kitty has a snowball's chance in Hell at NY ACC...she > must be rescued ASAP Hurry and give her a chance at life she is just a > baby, and very often when re-tested these kitties are NEGATIVE!!! Getting > her pulled is not a problem, just need to find someone with a big heart > willing to take her in!!! Please hurry before they destroy this precious > life! > > > > From: tssh1 <mailto:ts...@optonline.net> > > > > To: ts...@optonline.net <mailto:ts...@optonline.net> > > Cc: markro...@verizon.net <mailto:markro...@verizon.net> > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 AM > > Subject: NY, NY FELV Positive Kitty's Very Last Chance > > > > JULY 29, 2010 > > NY, NY > > > > Can Anyone Take In An FELV Positive Youngster Who Needs A Home > Desperately? Let's Not Cry For Her Later And Ask Why No One Stepped Up To > Save Her Life... Her Only Life~ (Trudy Schilder) > > > > > > Sweet Girl Tested Positive For Feline Leukemia. > > Her Best Chance Is With A Special Needs Rescuer! Where Are You? Are You > There? <http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=422125702239 > <http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=422125702239&id=1652613571> > &id=1652613571> Please, if you have others, could you make room for > her? > > > > At the Manhattan AC&C shelter: Sneezie Sweet Girl #A864590 / 3 month old, > unspayed female stray. Rated no concern/alert. Came in June 26! If you > would > like to adopt Sneezie, please contact me either here on FB or at: > markro...@verizon.net <mailto:markro...@verizon.net> and I'll see if I > can > find someone who will pull her for you... > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs
don't want to duplicate stuff, but if you HAVEN'T seen them, let me know and i'll put up the link. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] going off-list for awhile
you know where to find me if there is need. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing methods, and forms of leukemia
i know that it is. that wasn't my question. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote: > The bone marrow aspiration was suggested for confirmation of leukemia! > Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:05 PM > To: FeLVTalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] testing methods, and forms of leukemia > > just wondering how many of us here have ever had a bone-marrow aspiration > suggested as a normal part of the FeLV testing protocol? > > here's a really good article on the different forms of leukemia and > treatments--they don't mention the date on it, tho, but someone could > probably find it. > > http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] testing methods, and forms of leukemia
just wondering how many of us here have ever had a bone-marrow aspiration suggested as a normal part of the FeLV testing protocol? here's a really good article on the different forms of leukemia and treatments--they don't mention the date on it, tho, but someone could probably find it. http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten
thanks gary, for injecting some knowledge onto the list. speaking of injecting things, there IS some research on the cornell site about active virus particles being found in dried secretions much longer than originally expected. however, it's nothing but interesting, pure research, with no practical implications. unless, of course, you have one of those psychopathic maine coons who wanders around the house at night, with a syringe in paw, and scrapes up dried secretions, rehydrates them, and somehow manages to inject the solution into his unsuspecting sibkits. they don't have a clue how much virus is required to pass it on, whether or not the virus remains fully potent after extended exposure to air (it's a retrovirus, it's job is to mutate), etc. what has been known for a very long time is that it takes persistent, prolonged contact to transmit the virus, and that it does not stay active in the vast majority of cases, long outside the body. please, please, folks, learn the facts, so that you can recognize what's not fact when you hear it. not to be rude, or anything. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
thanks, sharyl--i just find it alarming that people will do whatever someone on a list tells them to, without knowing if there's any value to it. too often, the only basis for using a product comes from the manufacturer or supplier, or their paid spokescreatures in drag. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 Amer Assn of Feline Practitioners Guidelines for Managing Feline Retroviruses
they revised it in 2009, and considering how little research there is being done on the retroviruses, and how long it takes to get results, probably not. they had one in 2005, and in 2002 before that, that i know of. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > It is about time for them to come out with a new one, isn't it? > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:23 AM, MaryChristine >wrote: > > > once again, there's the definitive guidelines for managing feline > > retroviruses. read the FULL article, it's got a great historical > > bibliography; play out a copy for your vet and make him read it in front > of > > you. know what you're talking about, because the cats need us to speak > for > > them. > > > > > > > http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 > > > > > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > www.purebredcats.org > > ) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Help us spay some kitties! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals > > "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them > first > as long as you leave me alone". > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 2008 Amer Assn of Feline Practitioners Guidelines for Managing Feline Retroviruses
once again, there's the definitive guidelines for managing feline retroviruses. read the FULL article, it's got a great historical bibliography; play out a copy for your vet and make him read it in front of you. know what you're talking about, because the cats need us to speak for them. http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
what, exactly, does CoQ10 prevent? and could you give some cites to research data on it? i haven't seen anything in a long time, and would be interested in seeing what the clinical findings are. additionally, cats who test positive for the FeLV antigen only once are not necessarily actually positive. even if they are persistently viremic, they are just normal cats until and if the virus is activated. while they are asymptomatic, they are not seriously immune compromised, and presuming that everything that happens to a cat who happens to FeLV+ is related to that status is not borne out in the real world of sanctuaries and multi-positive homes. i will post, yet again, a link to the american assn of feline practitioners 2008 guidelines for managing feline retroviruses, in a separate post. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Beltza 2009-2010
may the blessings of light be with her, light outside and light within her. she will always be a part of you, from her comfy resting spot in your heart. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie
folks, please remember that we are NOT vets on this list. HCM is a much more serious condition than most cats with FeLV will ever face, and there are far better lists than this one to learn about it. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] and more recalls....
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Re: [Felvtalk] vets
there IS a members list last i checked--durned if i remember how to get there. but that might spark fading memory cells. brainey one? i'm sorry, i thought that coherent thought was optional in rescue. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > But there's someone else, o great white brainey one... > > Gloria > > > > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:45 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > > duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of >> NJ >> that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well >> >> >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( >> www.purebredcats.org) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of NJ that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
yeah, new motto is, "a mind is a terrible thing to lose." i can't think of who is in the NYC area--from this list, at least. let me check with some folks who don't read the list much anymore--tho james just posted on facebook, so maybe he'll remember or not. why should he be immune to losing one's mind? you-know-who -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
um, gloria, dear? new york is a big state! i'm a new yorker after all but everyone, remember to check out belinda's FeLV-friendly list at www.adopt.bemikitties.com. AND ENTER YOUR OWN VET into the database! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Well we've got a New Yorker on the list or did, now I forget who! > > Gloria > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!
i've stayed out of this one because it seemed a bit too weird, and i didn't really have anything to add. but i do remember when we were looking into insurance at the sanctuary (where about 300 of the 600 cats were FIV and FeLV), we were never asked a single question about what sorts of cats we had, or whether or not we were adopting them out. this email reminded me of what a friend who's been in the insurance business for 30 years told us, tho--that VOLUNTEERS at a shelter/sanctuary were considered to have acknowledged and accepted the risks involved with working with fanged and clawed critters (and most volunteer apps/agreements remind them of that,) but that the VISITORS, as mentioned here, are the issue. important distinction, but not the primary one here. i'm wondering if it's a state law thing: in KS, and possibly in MA (tho we need someone to track the latter down), it is essentially illegal to adopt out FIVs or FeLVs: if they come into a shelter, there are two options and two options only. they can be killed, or they can be kept until they pass over the bridge. they can't be adopted out, they can't be transferred to another rescue/shelter, they can't even be fostered out. we think that the actual law in KS is being misinterpreted and misapplied, and suspect the same in MA, as in both places, FIVs and FeLVs have been adopted and fostered out for years, and in KS we've talked with shelters and animal-control officers who've never heard about this. the state dept of agriculture is usually who licenses and inspects facilities; i know from your website and facebook page that you've been doing all the legal stuff--if they didn't mention anything to you, it seems unlikely that it's state law that's involved. perhaps your inspector might have some insight? MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV
first of all, find out if she is really positive. the test for FeLV is only for antigens/exposure--she really needs to be retested with an IFA test about 90 days after her last possible exposure. 70% of cats will test negative after their bodies process out the virus, and it's been noted in the literature for many years not to accept a single test result but to do a confirmatory test. why that is consistently forgotten is unknown, but it kills many cats. additionally, since only 30% of unvaccinated cats continue to test positive--and some percentage of those never become symptomatic and are not contagious, most truly negative cats (you can't really trust a negative test either, and should test a second time for ALL cats, but denial works much less expensively) don't ever become positive anyway. the currently available vaccines are highly effective since so few adult cats are actually at risk. there are no documented cases of truly negative, vaccinated, cats exposed to truly positive cats where a negative cat ever remains viremic if it does indeed test positive for exposure. you can post looking for new homes at www.adopt.bemikitties.com. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update
i always ask the vets what they would do IF IT WERE THEIR CAT--you often get very different answers when you phrase things that way. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT, but still interesting: remember that VIRULENT!!! CALICI!!!! EPIDEMIC!!!!! TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!
what's important about it is that there IS no epidemic, there have been very few confirmed outbreaks in the country, it's extremely rare, many of the suspected cases turned out to be panleuk, and the vaccine that ft dodge (the same company that makes the unproven FIV vaccine that makes all cats test positive for FIV for the rest of its life) is effectively useless--tho they mounted one of the best scare-tactics marketing campaigns a few years back. the information is there--it occurs in shelters, and when it does occur, it is so virulent it burns out the population in a short amount of time. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:41 PM, wrote: > OK, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, ARE OUR CATS WHO GO OUTSIDE MORE > LIKELY TO GET IT? THE ARTICLE SAID MOST LIKELY TO TARGET HEALTHY CATS. > DOES THAT MEAN FELV+ CATS ARE LESS LIKELY TO GET IT. WHY WOULD THAT BE? > MaryChristine wrote: > > http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=14438 > > > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > www.purebredcats.org) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT, but still interesting: remember that VIRULENT!!! CALICI!!!! EPIDEMIC!!!!! TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!
http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=14438 -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
none of the major veterinary assns recommend using the FIV vaccine, because not only has it never been proven successful in independent testing, it causes any cat to forever test positive--a death sentence should a housecat get out and into the shelter system. the AAFP, linked in my previous post, has a position paper on exactly why the vaccine is not recommended. ft dodge, the mfg of the vaccine, does not have a good reputation for its marketing practices, relying on scare tactics more than reproducible research. as gloria says, the main symptom of FIV cats is that they tend to be fat, lazy, and affectionate--the kill-rage, driven-by-testosterone aggression that leads to the deep, PENETRATING bites that is required to transmit the virus is just not part of a neutered tom's repertoire. lying around and playing cards, watching tv, and snuggling is much more to their liking. many timid cats who are positive are presumed to have infected when bitten on the butt while running away from an alpha tom when they got outside by mistake; in the very rare case of a tom remaining aggressive after neutering, one vet suggests filing down or removing the canine teeth, which renders kitty unable to inflict a deep enough bite. *** On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > You know, I'm surprised that the suggest even 'considering' vaccinating > FIV- cats that live with FIV + cats... > > Gloria > > > > > On Jun 19, 2010, at 3:46 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > > for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer assn of >> feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii, and >> contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines. >> everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should sit >> and >> watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with >> circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.) >> >> >> http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 >> >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( >> www.purebredcats.org) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer assn of feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii, and contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines. everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should sit and watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.) http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat
you can post him on the www.handicappedpet.net boards, too--there's a fair number of folks with deaf or blind or deaf/blind kitties there. you also might want to talk with alana at the blind cat sanctuary in NC anyway, she has lots of contacts there's another place, also in NC, i think, called mr magoo's room--i'm not sure that i could find the link in my files (i can't find anything lately!), but i think i found it in a search.. MC On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Thanks for all the info! > > > Gloria > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immunity
i've ALWAYS wondered if daddy's contributed to viral status--could being truly positive affect the gene plasma (is that the term?). i know that there are things that do that in humans, so why not in cats? (viruses aren't genetic! is what i get back, but i'm talking about changes that the virii might produce.) MC On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > That's interesting Carmen, I wonder if having different males > father the kittens could be the reason some were positive and > other's negative when the mother was negative. I guess we'll > never know. > > Lorrie > > > On 06-02, Carmen Conklin wrote: > > 1. RE. Immunity. > > > Hi, Lorrie, I read with interest your post and wanted to weigh in > > on an interesting circumstances that happened at our sanctuary some > > years ago which made us determine that we had to test every cat and > > kitten in a litter. We had a mother cat come in who was pregnant. > > She was NEGATIVE for any virus (several tests) She had five > > kittens. Two of those kittens were Positive FeLV and three were > > negative (from then on) Since then we have had others tell us a > > similar story. Something to do in the breeding part I believe. > > The post made me think of that mother cat and her five kittens. > > Carmen > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 3
yeah, the old wisdom that positive-mom meant all-positive litter, and negative mom meant all negative babies ain't worth the litter they poop in the latest stuff that i've read seems to imply that the role of nurturing, cleaning, etc may be the biggest source of exposure--so, as i put it, if great-aunt tabby is the nursemaid in the family/colony, and SHE is positive, then mom could be negative and babies could test positive because of tabby. i don't know of any proven cases where cats who have processed the virus out of their systems ever re-testing positive from a later exposure: even tho there are different strains of the virus, most sanctuaries have found out that they've had "positives" living with their negatives, often for years, because they didn't know to retest. i know in the sanctuary where i worked, kitties in all stages of infection, from asymptomatic on downhill were together, so the possibilities for re-exposure when the virus was active were certainly there. remember, tho, that they haven't done nearly enough basic research on this virus to have gotten to the point of looking at re-infection MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests
it's most probably a function of the test as much as anything else--age of the test solution, whether the test kit was out of the refrigerator long enough before test done, whether there was not quite enough (or maybe even too much) blood added, odd batch of tests (maybe all with that serial number only show faint responses on either FIV or FeLV)--no way of knowing, i'd say. so, go with the simplest answer: if there's ANY color after 10 minutes (or whatever that particular test specifies), it's positive. otherwise, even five minutes later, it's negative. for anyone cross-interested in FIV: go get a log-in id at www.idexx.com, then wander around and find the info on their RealPCR (add trademark symbol here!), and watch dr levy's video about their FIV test that purports to distinquish between the wild and vaccine-induced strains. i haven't actually watched the whole thing yet, because right now i can't remember or concentrate on anything, but since she IS one of the premier investigators for FIV/FeLV in the country, i figure she's a good one to listen to (and i tend to trust IDEXX as a company, and thus their paid consultants, far more than many others). from outside sources, i've heard that while the IDEXX test is more reliable than any of the other attempts at doing PCR/DNA testing for this, it still has a number of problems. i sort of gathered that, perhaps, she addresses some of those in the video. AND i found out, while wandering around the web the other night, why the UC Davis FIV PCR test is not only no longer available, but almost impossible to find any mention of--i mean, i can't find posts and announcements that i KNOW existed. seems there were patent issues involved. that test, according to UC Davis was 95% reliable, but considering how much trouble other places had had in trying to develop a test, and rumors of problems with the IDEXX test, i'm not sure i believe if. tho it's all moot (we're dealing more and more with the issue of, "where did the FIV come from," right now in purebreds--four or five of them right now, where the possibility of their having been vaccinated is at least as likely, if not more so, than their having gotten out and been bitten on the butt running away from alpha males.) me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests
as with pregnancy, it's a true-false question. http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/smallanimal/inhouse/snap/common/technology.jsf from the section on using blood samples: "Any color development in the sample spots indicates the presence of FIV antibody or FeLV antigen in the sample." any vet, or tech, or person who is performing the test (and should have read the instructions) should know this. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Tulsa OK: two military cats need foster til end of october
but there's a catch. one of them, we're told, is FILV positive. it's life-time companion is not, nor are the resident cats where the two have been staying. we've been trying to explain that there is no such thing as FILV, and that we really need to know what the kitty is positive FOR, on what test, etc. we can't even tell them what confirmatory test to use, as we don't know what kitty tested positive for. nor do we know why the cats were tested AFTER they went into foster care. so, yes, we're looking for someone in the OK area who might be able to foster two five-year-old girls who are missing their human soldier, til he/she returns by oct 31 at the latest (could be as early as sometime in september.) one of the cats may be positive for FIV, in which case she was probably vaccinated; we're looking into the accuracy of the IDEXX RealPCR test that supposedly can discriminate (sometimes!) between the vaccine and natural strains, and might suggest it. (julie levy, dvm, does a video piece on the idexx website about the problems with testing after vaccination, and how the RealPCR test can be an assist.) the cat may also have been exposed to FeLV, and by the time we get an answer to what she tested positive for, may have already processed it out of her little system. (she's a big healthy kitty, 12# or so, i gather). so i can't really give actual INFORMATION or anything, but should anyone appear in your life looking to care for two military cats who probably are perfectly healthy, if a bit confused, you know where to find me. when i have more information, i'll share it! MaryChristineVille, where nothing is ever simple in fact, let's make it even less simple: if you've read this far, respond to this address: helping...@purebredcats.org -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat available for adoption (via craigslist NJ)
so what's bob's facebook linky? -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
ukemia? > >Message-ID: > > < p2i810264f51005071053g4c7b5f3ezc23b427c3d56e...@mail.gmail.com > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >LCTI has been around for quite awhile, and still hasn't produced the > >hoped-for results. it's imulan's marketing and testing behaviors that i > >object to, NOT the product. as you say, the basic mechanism SHOULD work. > >which makes it even more disturbing that Imulan ended the clinical trials > >that were ongoing when they purchased the product--if what is needed is > more > >investigation, then do trials that will provide usable information to the > >entire veterinary field--don't make grandious promises, and charge a great > >deal of money just to raise people's hopes. > > > >and don't know if you've seen the protocol for the 4-week "trials" they > were > >doing with sanctuaries and vet's offices with FeLVs, but asymptomatic cats > >need not apply. they want cats on their last paws--one of the questions > >asked is whether or not the cat can be expected to live to the end of the > >trial. (tho i'm not supposed to have a copy of the protocol, i do, > >somewhere--just don't know where. anyone with vets who are > >participating--tho i HOPE they've changed this whole procedure--should be > >able to supply a copy. unless they are afraid that someone might try to > >enforce the, "in case of disclosure, we have the right to repossess your > >first-born," clause. > > > >i'd love to see what's happened with other veterinary meds, tho LCTI not > >being a drug might keep companies with big research & development funds > from > >caring, where real research goes on, and there's a reputable > >concerned-citizens group in the background raising additional monies to > fund > >the research. > > > >many veterinary drug therapies have been funded by groups of responsible > >breeders who've wanted to eradicate genetic > >conditions/diseases/predispositions in their own breeds. if there were an > >ethical, professional organization doing valid research on FeLV, i'm > >thinking that we probably COULD get a group of folks to contribute, tho > >probably not at the level of breed groups. > > > >(and if most of this already was sent, i apologize, my puter is NOT doing > >well.) > > > >MC > > > >-- > >Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > >Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > >MaryChristine > >Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > www.purebredcats.org) > >Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
LCTI has been around for quite awhile, and still hasn't produced the hoped-for results. it's imulan's marketing and testing behaviors that i object to, NOT the product. as you say, the basic mechanism SHOULD work. which makes it even more disturbing that Imulan ended the clinical trials that were ongoing when they purchased the product--if what is needed is more investigation, then do trials that will provide usable information to the entire veterinary field--don't make grandious promises, and charge a great deal of money just to raise people's hopes. and don't know if you've seen the protocol for the 4-week "trials" they were doing with sanctuaries and vet's offices with FeLVs, but asymptomatic cats need not apply. they want cats on their last paws--one of the questions asked is whether or not the cat can be expected to live to the end of the trial. (tho i'm not supposed to have a copy of the protocol, i do, somewhere--just don't know where. anyone with vets who are participating--tho i HOPE they've changed this whole procedure--should be able to supply a copy. unless they are afraid that someone might try to enforce the, "in case of disclosure, we have the right to repossess your first-born," clause. i'd love to see what's happened with other veterinary meds, tho LCTI not being a drug might keep companies with big research & development funds from caring, where real research goes on, and there's a reputable concerned-citizens group in the background raising additional monies to fund the research. many veterinary drug therapies have been funded by groups of responsible breeders who've wanted to eradicate genetic conditions/diseases/predispositions in their own breeds. if there were an ethical, professional organization doing valid research on FeLV, i'm thinking that we probably COULD get a group of folks to contribute, tho probably not at the level of breed groups. (and if most of this already was sent, i apologize, my puter is NOT doing well.) MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
i think that sara's post is excellent. i will repeat MY general position on anything that has inadequate double-blind, rigidly controlled research behind it; and any company with the questionable marketing ethics, who makes the sweeping, unsupported claims that Imulan has since they bought out the rights to LCTI: not all snake oil is good snake oil. (which means that not all snake oil is BAD snake oil, either.) just be careful, and don' t believe everything ANYONE on the net says. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purchases-natura-pet-products.html -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv type C mutation - current articles
great, thanks. think i'll have to actually read it when i'm a bit less tired! MC On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:40 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > MC, > > Here is an article discussing felv type C as a mutated felv. I have to > tell > you that it is my gut level feeling that this is where the virus acts and > how it causes such disease. Do a search for flvcr - this is where it's at. > > Here's the website: > http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/full/83/13/6706 > > Jenny > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] questions about lymphoma in early stages
update on this kitty: he's walking on his own now, the ER specialty clinic he was sent to says that the thickening of the intestinal walls may or may be not be anything, his hematocrit is back up with NO transfusion, he has none of the gait deficits the first vet said he did, and NOTHING looks as if it's secondary to FeLV so, since he's not critical, he's back to the original vet to be boarded til we find a foster home for him to hang out on antibiotics and pain meds, and retesting! spoke with both vets, and the level of misinformation about FeLV was very saddening. the ER folk, however, wanted to see the AAFP Management Guidelines, and were really interested in learning that there's a whole batch of people and organizations that work with cats with multiple disabling conditions! sigh. thanks for the good thoughts. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: what do you know about FeLIX -- Joel's response
From: joel kehler Date: Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM Subject: Re: what do you know about FeLIX To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com I'm not exactly sure what you were reading or why you single out FeLV-C. This is my understanding of the situation, although I haven't read a lot on FeLV, and you and others may know more than I do: FeLV-A is the less pathogenic transmissible form of the virus. Mutagenesis occurs when FeLV-A recombines genetically inside feline cells (I believe with dormant atavistic remnants of genetic material from an older form of FeLV) to produce the other variants, each of which uses specific receptors to infect cells. FeLV-B particularly causes cancerous tumors. FeLV-C particularly causes the aplastic anemia characteristic of FeLV-AIDS. FeLV-T is a T-cell tropic strain. It's unclear to me if FeLV-T has a specific disease profile or not; what is clear is that it infects T lymphocytes preferentially, not unlike FIV, and causes immune deficiency. FeLIX relates specifically to FeLV-T. I did a bit of reading, and what I find is that FeLV-T uses a unique co-receptor on the T-cell it is infecting. That co-receptor has been denominated FeLIX. No other FeLV strain uses this molecule. I found FeLIX described as "a truncated envelope glycoprotein of an endogenous FeLV." However, FeLV-T requires another receptor, which is the one used by FeLV-B to infect a cell. This makes it possible for FeLV-T to infect cells already infected with FeLV-B. I did not find an association of FeLV-C and either FeLV-T or FeLIX. Maybe you have been looking at something that makes that association that I'm unaware of. If so, let me know what it is. As I said, I just dabbled for a short time. Joel --- On *Tue, 4/20/10, MaryChristine * wrote: From: MaryChristine Subject: what do you know about FeLIX To: "joel kehler" Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 4:33 PM the mutated form of the FeLV-C strain, that supposedly is what causes all the illness? i know all about FeCoV mutating into FIP, but this is a new one to me i'm on my way out the door, but a very quick search showed findings back in 2000, which in FeLV research is ancient--i know of too many things "discovered!" then that has since been disproven. since you have encountered more than anyone i know, thought i'd ask! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
i have sent the link to the AAFP 2008 Guidelines for Managing Retroviruses numerous time: here it is again: catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/?Id=323 if you look back a few months in the archives, you'll see that i abstracted it for the group, with major points highlighted. in a following email, i will send what joel kelher found yesterday when i asked what he knew about this mutation. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
there's no mention of it in the 2008 AAFP guidelines, and i would expect it to be there. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Granted it is older, but I see nothing in the literature later to refute > this information. > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > check the date: 1996. see my other note! > > > > i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything > > later than, say, 2005? > > > > MC > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:31 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > > > > > Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that > > > mutations (in this case deletions in DNA) result in a more virulent and > > > pathogenic virus worsening the disease state as these mutations are > > gained > > > by the virus. Here's the link. > > > > > > http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/70/1/359.pdf > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > > > > > i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't > > > encountered > > > > this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully > > > digested! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B > > > being > > > > > those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily > causes > > > > > disease. Let me see if I can find a good paper. > > > > > > > > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of > > > FeLV--FeCoV, > > > > > > yes, > > > > > > which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and > i > > > > would > > > > > > like to see some backing for the statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is significant research that implies that many truly > positive > > > > FeLVs > > > > > > NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the > > 2008 > > > > AAFP > > > > > > guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new > research, > > > > just > > > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > > > > > i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency > theory: > > > with > > > > > > cats > > > > > > who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that > > we > > > > will > > > > > > ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just > not > > > > been > > > > > > enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES > > shed > > > > the > > > > > > virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, > because > > > it's > > > > > so > > > > > > common (over 100 strains, i believe). i guess i want a > definition > > of > > > > > > latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming > symptomatic, > > > and > > > > if > > > > > > that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for > > cats > > > > who > > > > > > only test negative once > > > > > > > > > > > > more input, as they say! > > > > > > > > > > > > MC > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > > > > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > > > > > > > > > MaryChristine > > > > > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > > > > > www.purebredcats.org > > > > > > ) > > > > > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > __
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
check the date: 1996. see my other note! i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything later than, say, 2005? MC On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:31 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that > mutations (in this case deletions in DNA) result in a more virulent and > pathogenic virus worsening the disease state as these mutations are gained > by the virus. Here's the link. > > http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/70/1/359.pdf > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't > encountered > > this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully > digested! > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > > > > > Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B > being > > > those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes > > > disease. Let me see if I can find a good paper. > > > > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > > > > > jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of > FeLV--FeCoV, > > > > yes, > > > > which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i > > would > > > > like to see some backing for the statement. > > > > > > > > there is significant research that implies that many truly positive > > FeLVs > > > > NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008 > > AAFP > > > > guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, > > just > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: > with > > > > cats > > > > who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we > > will > > > > ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not > > been > > > > enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed > > the > > > > virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because > it's > > > so > > > > common (over 100 strains, i believe). i guess i want a definition of > > > > latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, > and > > if > > > > that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats > > who > > > > only test negative once > > > > > > > > more input, as they say! > > > > > > > > MC > > > > -- > > > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > > > > > MaryChristine > > > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > > > www.purebredcats.org > > > > ) > > > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > > > ___ > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > www.purebredcats.org > > ) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
FeLIX, indeed! however, having that info, a really quick search shows stuff back from the early 2000s; i can't follow-up right now, but there were a number of things that showed up in early research back then that has been completely invalidated by further stuff. anyone remember if FeLIX was mentioned in the aafp's latest set of guidelines? (i have to go do a transport or i'd check on it all now!) the more we know MC On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Okay this is going to take awhile but here's a sort explanation from a pet > md website. I should clarify - type C being the mutation I most fear - > causes the severe anemia and rapid decline to death. It is what I have > seen > multiple times. > > > FelV is a retrovirus, an enveloped RNA virus which uses specific enzymes to > translate its own RNA into DNA and incorporate that DNA into the body's > DNA. > Retroviruses were only discovered in late 1960s and did not gain their name > till 1974. > > In retroviral infection, a virus infects a new host through receptor > proteins on cells at the infection site, much like a key fits into a lock. > Once a cat is infected, the virus gains a foothold by undergoing a series > of > genetic mutations designed to invade new sets of receptors, allowing it to > continually evade detection, attack, and ultimately shut down the body's > defenses. This shutdown occurs when mutated versions of the virus infect > and > destroy the body's T cells, which are critical to immune function. > Recently, > studies on FeLV identified another factor in the infection process: a > secondary retroviral receptor (or cofactor) that is crucial for the > mutated, > or T-cell adapted, virus to do its work. Without this receptor, > appropriately dubbed FELIX, the virus would be unable to set up shop. > Specific blocking of FELIX may bring a new way to treat FeLV in future. > > The specifics are certainly more complicated than this, but I'll try to > find > a good article or paper or something. > > Jenny > > > On 4/20/10, jbero tds.net wrote: > > > > Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B being > > those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes > > disease. Let me see if I can find a good paper. > > > > Jenny > > > > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > >> > >> jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV, > >> yes, > >> which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i > would > >> like to see some backing for the statement. > >> > >> there is significant research that implies that many truly positive > FeLVs > >> NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008 > AAFP > >> guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, just > >> ignored. > >> > >> i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: with > >> cats > >> who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we > will > >> ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not been > >> enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed the > >> virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because it's > so > >> common (over 100 strains, i believe). i guess i want a definition of > >> latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, and > if > >> that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats > who > >> only test negative once > >> > >> more input, as they say! > >> > >> MC > >> -- > >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference > >> > >> MaryChristine > >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > >> www.purebredcats.org) > >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't encountered this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully digested! On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B being > those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes > disease. Let me see if I can find a good paper. > > Jenny > > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV, > > yes, > > which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i would > > like to see some backing for the statement. > > > > there is significant research that implies that many truly positive FeLVs > > NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008 AAFP > > guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, just > > ignored. > > > > i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: with > > cats > > who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we will > > ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not been > > enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed the > > virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because it's > so > > common (over 100 strains, i believe). i guess i want a definition of > > latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, and if > > that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats who > > only test negative once > > > > more input, as they say! > > > > MC > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( > www.purebredcats.org > > ) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV, yes, which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i would like to see some backing for the statement. there is significant research that implies that many truly positive FeLVs NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008 AAFP guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, just ignored. i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: with cats who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we will ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not been enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed the virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because it's so common (over 100 strains, i believe). i guess i want a definition of latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, and if that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats who only test negative once more input, as they say! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Do you know why....
all these answers are right on: a single test, negative OR positive, means nothing because of the fact that the test is for EXPOSURE. cat's body needs adequate time to process the virus out of their systems if they're going to. i, too, got into the FeLV community when a lovely darling who'd tested negative at the shelter came into my household (along with the shelter director, another story altogether)--they lived CLOSELY with my five (and the director's five) for six months or so, and two month's later, brownee was positive and dying. i tested everyone, in a deep panic, too soon as it turns out--but my vet said i needn't bother until someone showed symptoms. we had both frail elders, AND 3-month-old kittens in the house--and it's now ten years later. the ones who haven't gong to old age haven't become symptomatic, either. when people say, "but my negative turned positive when i brought in a positive!," THIS is why i ask if the negative was ever tested to be sure it was negative to start with. that said, because the odds of a cat turning positive is so low, even tho i know better, i take negative results as true! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on
i don't think that FIV is a good model for HIV/AIDS--the manner of transmission is different, the ways the virus manifests is different, the course is different. i don't like using human-based terminology for cats does either species any good. cats do NOT get ARC (AIDS-related complex) in my opinion, because they are specifically unable to get AIDS in the first place almost all the researchers in the country have left behind the FIV=AIDS hypothothese--yes, it was a great starting point, but the vast majority of researchers have discarded that. the majority consider FIV an relatively benign virus that often has little or no effects on a cat's health. most FIV positive cats live normal lifespans and die WITH the virus, not from it. higher incidence of herpes viruses, for sure; same as with stomatitis--but other than that, every sanctuary setting has shown FIVs to be healthier than other subgroups. i know, personally, of two multi-cat settings where FIVs were unaffected by panleuk, while every other group in the setting were seriously impacted. joel's side, however, is with the other side, that considers FIV a very serious fatal ilness. i'm not there with them. on his list are many folks who agree with him, tho only a very few researchers do; that's why i'm NOT on his list, cuz i wouldn't be able to get my mouth shut. i used to work with a lot of them, but the differences just grew too great. joel, however, is incredibly knowledgable, and is able to interpret things way beyond my ability. he and i agree to disagree on FIV. in other words, i don't agree with him on FIV, but i DO trust him implicitly on other things. i don't think i agree with you completely on the stage-of-infection theory re: FeLV, either, but right now i have to go deal with other sick kitties, so will come back to that! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] questions about lymphoma in early stages
we (Hurricane Pets Rescue, in this case) have a little boy in NYC. he's an
adult, came into a city shelter. has tested positive for FeLV on his first
test, and we all know what that means. we've got him at our vet for his REAL
problems: he's unable to use his rear legs. he has superficial pain reflexes
in them, he's able to pee and poop (those are technical terms, trust me) on
his own, he's eating like crazy, he's sweet, friendly, etc. they originally
wanted to rule out a pelvic fracture, and the x-rays have done that; there
is also no indication of gunshot pellets or any other foreign body that
could be causing the rear paralysis. vet said that there are cp deficits
("conscious proprioception," technical term for various forms of clumsy,
klutzy, etc. now i have a NAME for why i walk into things, and fall over
imaginary items!), and some cell breakdown of unknown origin (lysis, for
those who don't like my definitions.)
he has a non-regenerative anemia with a hematocrit of 20; the rescue went
ahead and ordered a transfusion. it's classed as an unregenerative anemia,
but from what i recall from folks here, that doesn't necessarily mean much.
the vet says that there are other diffuse symptoms that make him quite
concerned--thickened small intestinal walls, which he thinks might indicate
a lymphoma.
so, i'm wondering what you folks, with more experience in this aspect of
things read in this. (the vet at first didn't want to talk with me, but i
was able to convince him that i knew enough that he consented to do so!)
any ideas? THANKS.
(kitty is safe for now, and we DO have a foster home for him once he's
stable, whether or not he's FeLV.)
MC
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[Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on
this is from joel, whom some of you will know from FIV stuff. while he and i disagree VIOLENTLY (well, we're polite about it, but absolutely diametrically opposed to one another's understanding of FIV), i greatly respect his scientific knowledge, and his ability to follow a great variety of streams of research. (he followed LCTI for years before imulan bought it.) i sent him the complete post you sent, jeni, with the details of what you'd found, and here's his response. it seems that he talks about that one active component, NAC, more on his personal FIV website. if anyone is interested, i'll pull that url from another emeow. he runs a yahoo group for FIV, as well, for those who follow the original researchers belief and continued research that HIV/AIDS and FIV are analogous, and that one can be treated the same as the other. MC -- Forwarded message -- From: joel kehler Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com I've been aware of Van Dyke (the patent writer) for a long time. It's hard to say much of anything. If what he describes actually occurred, it's impressive. But as is so often the case, the study described was never published on or peer-reviewed. A woman I know said she supplemented her FIV+ cat with Cat's Claw and Echinacea for several years and that it then tested FIV-. The marketers of Moducare published a study (their own) saying that some of the cats they first tested it on back in the late 90s went + to -. And so on. What are you supposed to think? It's true or it's not, but the results are never independently vetted, so it's as much religion as science to subscribe to them. There's no reason to think antioxidants don't have a positive effect on retroviral infections. and, strange as it may seem, steroids do have some potential usefulness. A certain Dr. Albert Plechner claims to use steroids as the primary (though not only) drug for "curing" FIV and FeLV. There are even a number of vets who advertise themselves as "Plechner vets." I will say that the basis for claiming NF-kB inhibition as the crucial action of the steroid has questionable backing since, unlike HIV, a majority of strains of FIV have no docking site for it and so (theoretically) it shouldn't be able to enhance viral replication, though inhibition might well favorably impact inflammatory symptoms. I know of a guy who gave his dying cat 1200mg of NAC daily, probably inspired by Van Dyke; the cat died anyhow. In fact, I'd like to meet the cats who ate all that stuff in their food. Mine have always been able to sniff out the least bit of anything. (I gave Bud about 150mg of NAC in a capsule and even that would make him vomit if I did not give the capsule in the middle of a feeding. Bitter-tasting stuff.) Dianne Hayes, whom you may or may not remember from FIVCats, gave her Max injectable NAC at the behest of her alternative-type vet; he kept right on deteriorating.) Don't know what else to say. Joel -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] folks in NYC metro area DESPERATELY needed for fostering/holding FeLVs for retesting
PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST RESPONSIBLY GRANTED! (actually, i'm begging.) as many of you know, for whatever reasons, there is an epidemic of "FeLV" cats in shelters and rescues all over the country. in none of these cases do the receiving groups seem to understand about the SNAP test being for EXPOSURE, not infection; and even in the very few cases where they do, they don't have room to hold them, anyway. many of these cats are not only asymptomatic, but very healthy--and many were clearly housecats tossed out onto the streets, possibly because their humans couldn't afford their care any longer. in that case, their having recently been exposed is even more likely than in more street-experienced cats. what they need are halfway houses: felv-savvy places to hang out, even in a condo cage if that's all that's available, until their little furry bodies have had a chance to process out the virus, or, if truly positive, to lounge around until their forever homes appear. if you have EVER, ever considered fostering, now is a time of great need--for all cats and dogs, but most especially for these very misunderstood (and usually misdiagnosed) dears. (lots of FIVs coming in, too, but the western blot can be run immediately after the snap, so there's no waiting time required.) if you can help, PLEASE emeow me, and i'll not only add you to my own contact list, but let you know which other groups to contact! MC--but you knew that, didn't you? -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds. the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a truly positive FeLV increases their lifespan! (anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that looked really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the discussion.) as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and Western Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and insists upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
re-read it folks, the cats were NOT tested with the IFA as far as i can tell--just progressive SNAPs. they state that the IDEXX test is for ANTIGENS (exposure) as i keep emphasizing, so the fact that the cat is ultimately negative on a snap just proves what has actually been known for a long time: 70% of cats will NOT remain viremic! and the very fact that they consistently say HIV for a feline population tells me that they don't know their anal glands from their whiskers: HIV is specific to humans, FIV to cats. (what part of FELINE don't these people get?? ) i also seriously question the reversal of the FIV cats, as i've never seen or heard anything reliable in the literature about WESTERN-BLOT positive FIVs being able to throw off the virus once it's established (which is what the FIV part of the snap tests for, actual antibodies.) i'll send this on to joel for his review, where was this published, j? i can't believe it could have been in a peer-reviewed pub, or that HIV/FIV nomenclature would have been caught. thanks for sharing it, tho. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
ah, but have you ever TRIED hot sauce? calicos (and honorary ones, such as abysinnians and bengals) actually seem to like it! the age-old benefits of dandelions is why i suggested that, rather than, say, pennyroyal, which while it's a great pesticide, is (if i recall correctly) toxic if ingested. (wonderful to throw around the yard, tho, if you have dogs--enough oil to repel the fleas!) -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on ringworm.
i've been threatening for years to make up a t-shirt that says, "Ringworm Happens." On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > HA Love it. > > Gloria > > > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > > re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the >> professional >> literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away >> with >> treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away >> without >> treatment in three months. >> >> shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm; >> many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an >> immunity, >> and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies >> will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown >> form >> of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog) >> >> ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around >> campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out. >> >> just saying. >> >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( >> www.purebredcats.org) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
along that same vine, when you catch ringyworm FROM your cats (which can happen even without them having any symptoms if you're susceptible--maybe i AM genetically a persian, after all.) miconazole works great for the human, too as will any over-the-counter fungal cream, actually. i always forget about gentian violet, tho i think that i have always related it more to burns than to other skin problems (actually, i just always loved the sound of, "gentian violet" as a term.) MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
and don't forget that with cats, for reasons unknown, once they get into a scratchy/worrying a hair-loss place, it can become an obsessive thing that has nothing to do with whether or not the active irritant still exists. it's a horrible season for pollen, for all critters, so allergies are more of a problem, earlier, too. the other thing i thought of is a condition whose name i can't recall right now--oh, yeah, hyperesthesia, where their skin is super sensitive to touch. i've seen it in a kitty who had survived untreated burns--he has to be medicated with depomedrol to function. poor dear. just another idea. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start with: an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise, there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for that to happen spontaneously. now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, "These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model." AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV. how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than once, at what interval? i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would like more info. actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going on? has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that? MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] on ringworm.
re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the professional literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away with treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away without treatment in three months. shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm; many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an immunity, and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown form of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog) ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out. just saying. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues
the info on the little diabetic kitty went out earlier today to a group that is incredibly active with placing them! saw the story on another list this afternoon. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues
chris reminded me of something the folks i work with do whenever there is reason: we write and thank the folks at the shelters when they do good, because public shelters rarely get any appreciation from any direction. when we find good city shelters, and/or good animal-control officers, we let them know that their work IS noticed MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc
i see nothing cited or attached--i know that i'd really love to see the info. MC On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Gary, > > A little slow, but here are a few paper abstracts dealing with the issue. > If you want the full text, let me know. I'm not sure if the full text is > on > ovid for them all, I may have to fax you the full report if you want it. > > Jenny > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues
GOOD rescues don't pick and choose, and GOOD shelters don't kill. however, there is an entire subculture of shelter-management style known as, "pro-kill"--the places that don't want to be bothered dealing with the public at all, those who'd rather sell to research for the quick $10/per than have to interact with people and fill out paperwork. shelters who refuse to work with rescues, which is absurd because for every critter we take from a shelter, another spot opens up for one to live long enough to find its forever home. as for rescuers, there are those of us who specialize in special-needs cats and dogs--and we take anything, from anywhere, if we can work it out. no one even CALLS us for the adoptable cats; seems that if it has more than 2 legs it's not special-needs to us, with blind or deaf not even on the radar. there are more and more rescues that reach out to those of us doing special-needs work, and it's kinda of hurtful to see our hard, hard work lumped in with those groups who are only out to make money. (every time you click on the animal-rescue site's feed-an-animal app, you're supporting one of the places that takes adoptables from the southern states. and every time you send money to the national SPCA or HSUS, you are NOT helping animals, merely helping the administrators of these groups that do NOT do direct care, justify their salaries and advertising budgets. find a good local rescue or shelter -- and remember that there is NO national oversight agency for humane societies or spcas, ANYONE can call themselves by either name -- and help out there. time with the critters, money, running errands--there is SO much that needs doing, and a place for everyone. just pick the correct place to put your energy) sorry. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
the injection-site sarcoma issue has largely been eliminated by the removal of the adjuvent, the change in placement of the vaccine, and the advent of safer inoculations, and non-injecting manners of delivery. if you're NEVER going to bring another cat into your house, EVER, then i'd say, don't vaccinate. but if you are, i'd do the full initial series--which, personally, i think is effective for life, too, tho research hasn't been done to confim this. even with that research, that's how vaccines SHOULD work in all species, plus there's lots of anecdotal evidence of negatives living with positives for years without getting regular vaccinations never getting sick. remember, again, that cats who test negative CAN, indeed, retest positive later on--doesn't mean they were negative at all, just that they were tested before the viral exposure was registering on the test. there are no cases of TRULY positive cats (tested twice, with the second test long enough after the first to remove the possibility of a reaction to exposure.) it's horrible when it happens, but it happens very infrequently. there is absolutely no research that i've seen that says that vaccinating a positive stresses its immune system out, because until the virus is activated, FeLVs are not frail, compromised creatures walking around with smelling salts and hankies. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence from members of this list that vaccinating positives STRENGTHENS their immune response, as evidenced by their seeming to have much longer life spans than positives who are not vaccinated we just have to convince some researchers to follow up on that, and good luck with that. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
i am so sorry to hear this, crystal. GLOW to guide them safely across the bridge, and to help heal your heart. they are safe and well now, and they will always be with you. MC On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: > Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother > Nibbler in heaven today. > My heart is broken. They will be missed more then words can describe. > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
hey, jeff, over at www.handicappedpet.net there are all sorts of tutorials on how to do, "pee and poop" on demand, and the proper use of diapers for a few hours a day--many of you remember mari, SpiritCat, from TX. she's got a number of potty-compromised babies herself... (gee, you aren't in SC, are you? we need a temporary home for a little 3-year-old recovering from a car accident--she's currently bladder-incontinent but is expected to recover function, but her parents' schedule keeps them from being to regularly express her) we are all here to learn--and it's amazing what directions the teachings take. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
but you needed a powerful reminder to trust those instincts, and now you have one. you will NEVER forget this experience, and you will honor bridget's memory every time you listen to them throughout the rest of your life. and bridget, like all cats, knows you did you best, and understands that you're only human. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best, in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time. sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way. i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our ability, and know that every minute is a gift. GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you when the most intense pain has diminished a bit. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
