[Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

2013-11-11 Thread MaryChristine
http://goo.gl/uT6Evb

not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official
recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research
is needed.

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[Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

2012-04-09 Thread MaryChristine
BY TONIGHT

this is a website for cats in the NYC pound system, which is an absolutely
horrible place. anyone who isn't sick when they get there will be. there's
question about how much of that is the sheer number of critters who pass
through the doors, and how much is really bad management and use of
resources.

every day around 6pm EDT, they post the cats who are marked for death the
next day--the shelters are open to serious adopters phone calls til 8pm;
they start euthing at 6am the following day.

https://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcats

the guy we're working on is the second one from the left--if you scroll
down a bit, you'll see his biography; his name is patrick.

the problem with these cats is that no rescue will pull them without having
a definite, approved foster/adopter

the website has more info than i do.

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[Felvtalk] two IAMS recall notices; small, but?.

2010-09-02 Thread MaryChristine
here's the first one, dated august 29, 2010:
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224352.htm

and here's the second one, dated august 31, 2010
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224675.htm

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.

if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.

BUT:

here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
(tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives

a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
infection (antibodies).

send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.

some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.

have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.

wordy as ever,
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
the recommended requirement, not 60.

but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
the OLD tests.

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

 You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a 
 different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to 
 avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested 
 before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may 
 not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same 
 result as the previous test.

 If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until 
 spaying to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her 
 from getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as 
 easily. This all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside.



 Michelle Brockman
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 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
 a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
 only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
 who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
 placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
 practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
 back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
 on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

 My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
 situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

 It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
 just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
 to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
 so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
 seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

 This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
 blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read  read
 the links, thanks for sending!

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
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  )
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  On Fri, Aug 27

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
i do not believe that this belongs on this list; i have responded privately.

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:




 I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. 
 Not to NOT re-test.  And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as 
 60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from 
 medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue 
 FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an 
 accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected 
 in my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy.

 Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
 one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
 people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' 
 scenario based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many 
 many years and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a 
 novice when it comes to these matters.

 And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized 
 because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other 
 scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet 
 and as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I 
 suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab 
 tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with 
 busy lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to 
 vet or vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer 
 and urge them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances 
 with ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is 
 all I have to say about that.


 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

 if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
 proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
 the recommended requirement, not 60.

 but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
 this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
 that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
 the OLD tests.

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Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit

2010-08-26 Thread MaryChristine
okay, here's the latest.

part of me is screaming hissed, because it turns out that dear josie
is probably NOT positive to start with--she came from a shelter that
we know is using the new test, and NONE of the FIV/FeLVs, supposedly,
from there have retested positive.

she went to ANOTHER vet hospital to have the transfusion continued, as
of last night, she was up to 19

so the first vet who suspected mycoplasma hemofelis, but didn't test
for it, nor put her on doxy, was the real culprit.

lots (LOTS) of vet bills later, but josie's a much happier cat, and
now we're just trying to smooth the feathers of all the humans
involved.

PLEASE enter your good vets' info into the database at
www.adopt.bemikitties.com so we know where to find help when it's
needed.

thanks.

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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
 I'm glad to hear it.  Way to go Lisa and Josie

 Jenny


 On 8/25/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount),
 because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went
 from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging
 around. that's all i have now...


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Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit

2010-08-26 Thread MaryChristine
let's let belinda answer that herself when she checks in!

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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but where would I add my
 veterinarian to the data base of FIV/FeLV- friendly vets? Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
 Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:33 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit

 okay, here's the latest.

 part of me is screaming hissed, because it turns out that dear josie
 is probably NOT positive to start with--she came from a shelter that
 we know is using the new test, and NONE of the FIV/FeLVs, supposedly,
 from there have retested positive.

 she went to ANOTHER vet hospital to have the transfusion continued, as
 of last night, she was up to 19

 so the first vet who suspected mycoplasma hemofelis, but didn't test
 for it, nor put her on doxy, was the real culprit.

 lots (LOTS) of vet bills later, but josie's a much happier cat, and
 now we're just trying to smooth the feathers of all the humans
 involved.

 PLEASE enter your good vets' info into the database at
 www.adopt.bemikitties.com so we know where to find help when it's
 needed.

 thanks.

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 On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
 I'm glad to hear it.  Way to go Lisa and Josie

 Jenny


 On 8/25/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount),
 because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went
 from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging
 around. that's all i have now...


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[Felvtalk] belinda, can you walk folks through adding their vets

2010-08-26 Thread MaryChristine
to the bemikitties database?

thanks, dear!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
i just checked the link and it worked, so you might want to try
again--site could have been down. but you CAN search from the main
page.

the saddest part is that the literature IS out there, so it's not that
the veterinary profession doesn't have access to it; it seems that too
many just go with the easy answer, tho it's been many years since,
'kill all positives, was ever the professional response. the good
thing is that, because of people who wouldn't take, kill, as an
answer, research has stepped up again in the past few years. but
getting it completed, evaluated, reviewed and published is just the
first battle.

if you can't find the file, i can send it to you--it's just too big to
attach to the list!

mc


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On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi MC,
 sorry finally catching up now with my mail.
 thank you so much for the input, it seems like we need to make our own way on
 this issue and forge ahead without data. Hopefully the Veterinary associations
 will follow suit.

 I tried clicking on the link you gave me but it couldn't find it. I'll try
 making searches for AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

 Thank you again

 Paola




 
 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:25:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

 in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed
 until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of
 their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain
 viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they
 continue to test positive.

 vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the
 SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for
 antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital.

 sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in
 kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms
 (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition
 positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if
 one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed
 (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all
 were most likely killed.

 asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while
 kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool.

 in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic
 kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven
 months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept
 happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why
 that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats,
 remember.

 kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not
 necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their
 age/developmental stage--tended to do less well.

 with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval
 long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority
 of kittens tested negative. still do.

 just no real data to 'prove' it.

 paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
talk to her, and let her know that she doesn't have to stay here for
you. people and critters do, i believe, often stay longer than they
might ordinarily, to try to protect us. i always tell mine that it's
okay if their job here is complete, that they can cross the bridge,
and mommy will be alright. (of course, five minutes later, i'm crying
in their fur saying, mommy's not ready! but they understand my human
frailty.) if they know it's okay for them to leave when it's their
time, they WILL let you know.

i think that every one of us has allowed a beloved one to stay longer,
to be treated longer, than was optimum for the traveller: and most of
us have learned to feel the difference between, is this for me, or
for them? ask her to tell you when it's her time, and listen with her
heart, not yours. it's the last thanks we can give them, the gift of a
loving farewell.

i can't remember the quote exactly, but i found it many years ago, and
it's stayed with me: that it's better to send them home one day too
soon, than five minutes too late.

(i, of course, talk to them about the cloak room at the bridge where
there are racks and racks of new, healthy bodies, in every breed and
color and pattern and mixture--that they can pick out a new body where
everything works, and exchange it anytime they want)

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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
THANKS!

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On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I did a blood transfusion on my cat with an 8  Doxy  he started bouncing 
 back within a day. He was not FeLV+, but he did have Hemobart

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Tue, 8/24/10, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, 
 etc
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:13 PM

 Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats.  Gave
 up before fighting, huh.

 With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble.  If it's
 hemobartonella the rbcs are being continually destroyed.  They will
 generally transfuse around 18 so she doesn't have much time to make a
 decision.  I would go to the emergency clinic if deciding to do the
 transfusion as they often have blood in house.

 For hemobartonella, all it would really take is a drop of blood to look at
 under the the scope to see if there is agglutination.  It isn't a definitive
 test, but very suggestive if there is a limited sample.

 As far as treating with doxy at this hct, I would.  To the best of my
 knowledge, doxy does not cause bone marrow suppression and the benefit of
 treatment far outweighs the risk if this is truely a bartonella issue.

 It is unfortunate further work-up wasn't done.  If it were me, I would
 probably go to the emergency clinic, give sub q fluids, see if I could get a
 smear to look for agglutination and if there was I would do the transfusion
 and start doxy.  This, however, can be expensive and invasive.  She could
 just try the doxy without a transfusion - in that case I would probably also
 do prednisone as you need to stop any further destruction of rbcs, but only
 for a matter of days.  It may not work, but it would be the least invasive
 and less expensive.

 She may than add some supplements - I'd do cod liver oil about half of human
 gel capsule(for the Vitamin A, Vitamin D), NAC - about 100mg, and sodium
 ascorbate - 750mg, and consider the herbal tonic.  As you know, no
 guarantees, but God is in the business of miracles, I believe.

 Good luck and God bless.

 Jenny

 On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it
 wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia
 either, makes it difficult.

 the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any
 blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM.  i'd thought
 that the vast majority of cats in the US were one type, just wasn't
 sure which.

 perhaps the vet just presumed she'd want the cat euthed, so once he
 got preliminary results, he didn't keep looking.

 you think that doxy is not too hard on the system of a kitty  with
 such a low hematocrit?

 the good thing is that the cat's mom is NOT going to do extraordinary
 care to make herself feel better.

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 On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
  Hey,
 
  With respect to blood transfusions in cats.  Most cats are blood group A
 -
  around 99% in the US.  As it is in people you need to match the blood
  types.  Because there is such a high prevelance of type A in the US, they
 do
  not always do a type and cross - to me this seems foolish as it would be
  easy to just do a cross and look for any reaction in the test tube.  I
 don't
  think they always know how to do this in general vet labs.  If you have a
  cat that is O or B (again unlikely in the US), they will react to the
  transfusion of an A blood type donor.
 
  I personally have had bad luck with transfusions in felv because you are
  only treating the symptoms of the disease and they will have to be
  transfused every month or two.  Every transfusion increases the risk of a
  bad transfusion reaction.  If, however, the cat has a regenerative anemia
  (lots of reticulocytes) and something like a hemobartonella infection,
 the
  transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the hemobartonella may yield
  positive results.  What I am trying to say is that, if the cat is anemic
  because his bone marrow is not producing more red blood cells, a
 transfusion
  will only prolong the inevitable by a month or two (this would be end
 stage
  effects of the felv).  Unless there is some novel treatment for felv in
 this
  stage (I haven't found much - LTCI, acemannan and interferon have been
  proposed and sometimes help

[Felvtalk] Bartonellosis and Hemoplasmosis

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
since we've been talking about this re: josie, the kitty (who's in
upstate ny, btw) with the very low hematocrit, i went and pulled this
up for folks to have in their reference libraries:

http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Hemobart

i'm gonna try really hard to remember the correct name of the nasty. rly.

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[Felvtalk] this is what i'd MEANT to send: Fwd: OT: new research on hemobartenella (including its new name!)

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
check out when i first sent this out--good thing i save things, and have a
good search program!

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-- Forwarded message --
From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Subject: OT: new research on hemobartenella (including its new name!)




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[Felvtalk] reminder to add your great vets to belinda's great database!

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
www.adopt.bemikitties.com has a place to list vets who are friendly
toward FIVs and FeLVs.

PLEASE go register and add your vet, so that the next person who gets
that diagnosis can find someone in their area whose first treatment
suggestion is killing their cat.

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[Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount),
because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went
from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging
around. that's all i have now...


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[Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he
said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new
vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be
whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info
from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom.

i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if
any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie
(the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've
suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be
in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the
rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet
near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're
talking about would be a big help.

thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it
wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia
either, makes it difficult.

the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any
blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM.  i'd thought
that the vast majority of cats in the US were one type, just wasn't
sure which.

perhaps the vet just presumed she'd want the cat euthed, so once he
got preliminary results, he didn't keep looking.

you think that doxy is not too hard on the system of a kitty  with
such a low hematocrit?

the good thing is that the cat's mom is NOT going to do extraordinary
care to make herself feel better.

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
 Hey,

 With respect to blood transfusions in cats.  Most cats are blood group A -
 around 99% in the US.  As it is in people you need to match the blood
 types.  Because there is such a high prevelance of type A in the US, they do
 not always do a type and cross - to me this seems foolish as it would be
 easy to just do a cross and look for any reaction in the test tube.  I don't
 think they always know how to do this in general vet labs.  If you have a
 cat that is O or B (again unlikely in the US), they will react to the
 transfusion of an A blood type donor.

 I personally have had bad luck with transfusions in felv because you are
 only treating the symptoms of the disease and they will have to be
 transfused every month or two.  Every transfusion increases the risk of a
 bad transfusion reaction.  If, however, the cat has a regenerative anemia
 (lots of reticulocytes) and something like a hemobartonella infection, the
 transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the hemobartonella may yield
 positive results.  What I am trying to say is that, if the cat is anemic
 because his bone marrow is not producing more red blood cells, a transfusion
 will only prolong the inevitable by a month or two (this would be end stage
 effects of the felv).  Unless there is some novel treatment for felv in this
 stage (I haven't found much - LTCI, acemannan and interferon have been
 proposed and sometimes help but no guarantees) and you are willing to try
 one of them, I would probably not opt to do a transfusion.  If, on the other
 hand, there is a regenerative anemia and an underlying cause for the anemia
 - like hemobartonella - a transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the
 hemobartonella may be helpful.  Especially if there is some desire to
 attempt to treat the felv - LTCI, interferon, acemannan, a combination of
 herbal remedies, etc.

 If all they want to do is a transfusion, I can almost guarantee that is will
 simply prolong the inevitable by a few weeks.

 Hope that helps.

 Jenny


 On 8/24/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
 a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
 hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he
 said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new
 vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be
 whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info
 from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom.

 i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if
 any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie
 (the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've
 suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be
 in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the
 rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet
 near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're
 talking about would be a big help.

 thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
thanks, gary! i cannot for the life of me figure out why the vet
didn't check for hemobartenellosis, and no, cat is NOT on doxy! on
clavamox. (don't even ask.)



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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
i'm hoping that belinda sees this--i THINK that she's got all the
literature references. what i'd been remembering is what i'm hearing
back--that hemobartenellwhatever MUST be ruled out, as well as whether
it's another form of regenerative anemia.

i'd forgotten about the one untyped/crossmatched transfusion without
trouble--again, this isn't the end of things that i usually work with!

thanks to all--i'm sending things along.

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Sara Kasteleyn
skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote:
 Just another two cents to addwe had very good luck with two transfusions
 of typed blood on our kitty several years ago.  She didn't have FeLV issues.

 Sara


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 Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:07 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 transfusions/epogen,etc

 Usually, a transfusion with un-typed blood can be done once, but there is a
 risk.  If the blood is typed and a matching blood used, the risk is very
 slight.

 Gary

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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen,

 etc


 I  always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience.
 Our kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she
 did get. After the transfusion she perked up and seemed like she was
 getting better however an hour and half after she started to crash. Three
 hours later she was dead. The vet said that cats can have a bad reaction
 to the transfusion and in essence 'reject' the new blood. I wasn't aware
 if this before hand. I would have rather had a few more days with her
 rather than be blindsided by her death by transfusionif she was going
 to die anyway.

 Hopefully someone can give some helpful suggestions - I just know that
 transfusions, depending on the circumstances aren't always the best
 answer. I know too that we tried procrit but that took too long to have
 any effect and ultimately was pointless.

 Prayers for Josie...



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Theo to CLC list

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
taking memories of feeling safe, and warm, and loved, and well-fed
(well, this IS a kitten we're talking about)--what more could he ask.
they come to us to teach us something they we need to learn, and only
they can teach us.

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote:
 This sweet little orange baby was found starving in a ditch at a  few weeks
 old.  We got him as well as we could but he never managed to be symptom
 free.  We gave him lots of love and hopefully made his short life better.
  He succumbed to his illness today at only five months old.  It's amazing
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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
THANK YOU, honey--i was hoping you'd jump in.

okay, here's the latest--she's found an er vet that she's worked with
before and likes (this one she took kitty to yesterday was a
desperation choice, as she's moved recently--and everything to him is
money.) they've got the bloodwork from the first vet, and i think that
she's taking josie in tonight.

i've got the bloodwork results if anyone wants to see them; otherwise,
i guess we'll wait to see what the er vet has to say.

again, thanks to all.


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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:
  Baileys anemia was non regenerative and epogen and prednisolone kick


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[Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty

2010-08-24 Thread MaryChristine
the er vet has seen the bloods, and no, a specific hemobart test was
NOT run, so she'll do that. from the bloodwork, she suspects that is
it, indeed, hemobart--lisa and josie are on their way into the vet's
office now. so think sweet, red-blooded healing thoughts for her,
please.

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Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?

2010-08-20 Thread MaryChristine
unlike november 2009, IDEXX held the exclusive patent on at least part of
the SNAP test technology. there were similar tests on the market, but since
i just found out about the patent-expiration, i don't have the details re:
how different the others were. i do know that the IDEXX tests, tho not
without problems, were widely considered (in independent studies) as the
best re: accuracy AND ease of interpretation.

knowing about the patent issue sort of finalized it for me, and speaking
with folks more on the business end of things, their reaction was similar:
losing that exclusivity made it imperative for them to come up with
something to patent as new and different, and all theirs.

just since yesterday, i've found that false HW negatives are turning up in
high numbers too--i guess that has been going on, but since my concern is
FIV/FeLV, i just wasn't hearing about it.

apparently, vets are becoming aware of this, but probably not quickly
enough. please mention it when you see yours; when the vets start talking
amongst themselves, it'll spread through conferences and other
get-togethers.

any time you hear of a shelter or rescue that's got a rise in FIV/FeLV, tell
them to look into the pattern--

i'm very sorry that because of physical issues, i'm not able right now to
contact everyone that i could check with, and then try to talk with IDEXX. i
just cannot.

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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Is there more than one manufacturer of tests? If so is this a problem with
 all manufacturers?

 Beth
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 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:08 PM

 i've been writing about this on the lists since may.

 there has been a huge increase in positive test results for both FIV and
 FeLV ever since the newer tests were introduced, all over the country. so
 many positives, in fact, that those of us who do this rescue thing all day,
 realized that it had to be a problem with the tests somehow.

 it became clear that the problem was the new tests, because also all over
 the country, cats retested with either the western blot or IFA were testing
 negative: all of them, not just the majority as would be expected. i
 actually only know of one cat who has tested positive on an IFA following a
 positive on the new test.

 as most of you know, i usually am adamant about NOT retesting too soon for
 FeLV, as the SNAP and IFA both test for exposure, not infection, so tests
 taken too close together will show the same result. however, with this
 pattern so clearly presenting itself, those of us following this are
 recommending IMMEDIATELY retesting any FeLV positive cats with the older,
 FIV/FeLV only tests.

 again, there's only been one report over a wide network of rescues and
 rescue vets where a positive on the new test has been confirmed. of course
 there will be others, because there ARE positive cats out there--but this
 test isn't the one to trust re: finding them.

 just heard about a vet today who has had false positives with the HW
 component, as well.

 is this confirmed? no--it's too new, and without a lot of talking amongst
 ourselves we wouldn't have seen the pattern; most individual vets aren't
 seeing it because they aren't the one being called daily to take all the
 newly diagnosed positives!

 try to get a hold of some of the old tests--i heard that last month, they
 were on back order (so vets are starting to rethink using the new ones)
 would be my completely biased suggestion.


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Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?

2010-08-19 Thread MaryChristine
i've been writing about this on the lists since may.

there has been a huge increase in positive test results for both FIV and
FeLV ever since the newer tests were introduced, all over the country. so
many positives, in fact, that those of us who do this rescue thing all day,
realized that it had to be a problem with the tests somehow.

it became clear that the problem was the new tests, because also all over
the country, cats retested with either the western blot or IFA were testing
negative: all of them, not just the majority as would be expected. i
actually only know of one cat who has tested positive on an IFA following a
positive on the new test.

as most of you know, i usually am adamant about NOT retesting too soon for
FeLV, as the SNAP and IFA both test for exposure, not infection, so tests
taken too close together will show the same result. however, with this
pattern so clearly presenting itself, those of us following this are
recommending IMMEDIATELY retesting any FeLV positive cats with the older,
FIV/FeLV only tests.

again, there's only been one report over a wide network of rescues and
rescue vets where a positive on the new test has been confirmed. of course
there will be others, because there ARE positive cats out there--but this
test isn't the one to trust re: finding them.

just heard about a vet today who has had false positives with the HW
component, as well.

is this confirmed? no--it's too new, and without a lot of talking amongst
ourselves we wouldn't have seen the pattern; most individual vets aren't
seeing it because they aren't the one being called daily to take all the
newly diagnosed positives!

try to get a hold of some of the old tests--i heard that last month, they
were on back order (so vets are starting to rethink using the new ones)
would be my completely biased suggestion.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list

2010-08-18 Thread MaryChristine
wonderful reminder that expending energy on revenge fantasies (after the
first, satisfying ones) just takes it away from the critters still here that
need it.

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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.netwrote:

 All of your messages touched my heart and brought tears, as I see that
 there are so many other caring, loving people out there.

 I buried her and put the name 'Lovey' (as I had never had a cat named that)
 in marker on plastic over her before I filled her grave...Thanks, she
 deserved a name.  'Edith' my 18 year old grey and tan calico sat along side
 as I buried her.  (She had come up on the porch when I found the kitten and
 was keeping her company until I found her.)

 Please don't condemn anyone for this kitten's situation, because someone
 cared enough to bring her to me to try to help her.  We live in a rural area
 that has hit 17.9% unemployment in this economy and has over a 30% poverty
 rate.  I do a lot of free emergency work for horses, cats, and dogs and
 whoever it was at least knew that I would try to save her.  I just wish they
 would have brought her sooner or left me a note telling me how and when the
 trauma to her head had occurred (animal attack, vehicle, abuse, etc.)  It
 would have given me an advantage in successful treatment.

 Again, thank you all so much for your kind words (they eased my pain) and
 caring so deeply for the wellbeing of the animals.

 My sincere thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

2010-08-17 Thread MaryChristine
in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed
until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of
their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain
viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they
continue to test positive.

vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the
SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for
antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital.

sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in
kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms
(many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition
positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if
one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed
(heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all
were most likely killed.

asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while
kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool.

in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic
kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven
months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept
happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why
that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats,
remember.

kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not
necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their
age/developmental stage--tended to do less well.

with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval
long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority
of kittens tested negative. still do.

just no real data to 'prove' it.

paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines*
*
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

2010-08-17 Thread MaryChristine
*http://tinyurl.com/Merck-FeLV*
*
*
*the info on regressive infection is in the aafp guidelines to managing
feline retroviruses, which i've posted many times--check the archives. *
*
*
*
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov wrote:

 Can you please state the first paragraph in another way.  I'm don't know
 what you mean by the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until
 to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of
 their system.  This is very important to me because I have a very
 healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago.  He was a stray.  This is
 the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet
 said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words).

 So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill?
 I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago.

 Thanks very much.

 Susan

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

 in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed
 until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out
 of
 their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do
 remain
 viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they
 continue to test positive.

 vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the
 SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for
 antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital.

 sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are
 in
 kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms
 (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be
 definition
 positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test,
 if
 one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed
 (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only),
 all
 were most likely killed.

 asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance,
 while
 kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool.

 in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic
 kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven
 months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept
 happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on
 why
 that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats,
 remember.

 kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not
 necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their
 age/developmental stage--tended to do less well.

 with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an
 interval
 long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the
 majority
 of kittens tested negative. still do.

 just no real data to 'prove' it.

 paolo, have you seen this?
 *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines*
 *
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10

2010-08-16 Thread MaryChristine
GLOW to guide her safely across the bridge, and to help heal the hearts of
everyone who loved her.

you gave her so much in her time with you; at some point, i hope you're able
to understand that, and know that she carries those memories of your shared
love with her just as you carry her in your heart forever. (yeah, sounds
corny, but it's true.)

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Rocket had a bad week. She had gotten another Immunoreglin shot last
 Monday. It didn't seem to help her at all. She just wasn't interested in
 eating except for a little kibble. I tried several times to syringe feed her
 but she got so upset. She would start panting like she couldn't catch her
 breath. We were to go back to the vet today. This morning she wasn't able to
 walk very well and was having problems breathing.

 So we made that final trip to the vet. Thankfully my dear neighbor drove
 us. Rocket normally starts with heavy breathing when we go to the vet. This
 morning  was worse than normal. She had a small seizure as we were entering
 the vet's office and died there in my arms. Her little heart just gave up.
 I'm sure she had some type of tumor. Wasn't anemia like Sissy.

 She was such a good girl. Never a big love bug but enjoyed playing with the
 feather toy and loved her treats. Even this last week she was rubbing my
 leg as I was preparing the food plates. Another reason it was so
 heartbreaking when she wouldn't eat.

 Rocket is my last FeLV baby. I do feel fortunate to have had her for almost
 4 yrs. I 1st met her at the dumpsters July '06. She was one of 5 kittens
 that would come running when I showed up with food. Spooky vanished but over
 time I was able to trap Rocket, Sissy, Daisy and Mae. Rocket and Sissy
 became house kitties. Daisy and Mae were much older when I trapped them and
 became garage kitties. Now Daisy's babies and these four are gone. Leaves a
 big hole in my heart. At least she had a good life and wasn't sick until
 these last few weeks.

 By sharing her story I am trying to celebrate her life and encourage others
 to love their companions each and every day.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ kitten needs home depsperately - NY area

2010-07-31 Thread MaryChristine
she's been rescued!


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have a photograph - tried sending it, but it seems too large to be
 accepted by this group. If anyone wants to see it, please let me know and
 I'll shoot it off immediately!  Thanks,

 Natalie





 Contact person (s) below:

 This beautiful, sweet kitty has a snowball's chance in Hell at NY ACC...she
 must be rescued ASAP Hurry and give her a chance at life she is just a
 baby, and very often when re-tested these kitties are NEGATIVE!!! Getting
 her pulled is not a problem, just need to find someone with a big heart
 willing to take her in!!! Please hurry before they destroy this precious
 life!



 From: tssh1 mailto:ts...@optonline.net



 To: ts...@optonline.net mailto:ts...@optonline.net

 Cc: markro...@verizon.net mailto:markro...@verizon.net

 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 AM

 Subject: NY, NY FELV Positive Kitty's Very Last Chance



 JULY 29, 2010

 NY, NY



  Can Anyone Take In An FELV Positive Youngster Who Needs A Home
 Desperately? Let's Not Cry For Her Later And Ask Why No One Stepped Up To
 Save Her Life... Her Only Life~ (Trudy Schilder)





 Sweet Girlnbsp;Tested Positive For Feline Leukemia.

 Her Best Chance Is With A Special Needs Rescuer! Where Are You? Are You
 There? http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=422125702239
 http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=422125702239amp;id=1652613571
 amp;id=1652613571  Please, if you have others, could you make room for
 her?



 At the Manhattan ACC shelter: Sneezie Sweet Girl #A864590 / 3 month old,
 unspayed female stray. Rated no concern/alert. Came in June 26! If you
 would
 like to adopt Sneezie, please contact me either here on FB or at:
 markro...@verizon.net mailto:markro...@verizon.net   and I'll see if I
 can
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[Felvtalk] new IAMS/Eukanuba recall, announced 7/30/10

2010-07-31 Thread MaryChristine
haven't seen this yet on any but one list, so thought i'd send it along:

http://www.iams.com/iams/en_US/data_root/html/recall_message.html

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[Felvtalk] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs

2010-07-13 Thread MaryChristine
don't want to duplicate stuff, but if you HAVEN'T seen them, let me know and
i'll put up the link.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
what, exactly, does CoQ10 prevent?

and could you give some cites to research data on it? i haven't seen
anything in a long time, and would be interested in seeing what the clinical
findings are.

additionally, cats who test positive for the FeLV antigen only once are not
necessarily actually positive. even if they are persistently viremic, they
are just normal cats until and if the virus is activated. while they are
asymptomatic, they are not seriously immune compromised, and presuming that
everything that happens to a cat who happens to FeLV+ is related to that
status is not borne out in the real world of sanctuaries and multi-positive
homes.

i will post, yet again, a link to the american assn of feline practitioners
2008 guidelines for managing feline retroviruses, in a separate post.

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Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 Amer Assn of Feline Practitioners Guidelines for Managing Feline Retroviruses

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
they revised it in 2009, and considering how little research there is being
done on the retroviruses, and how long it takes to get results, probably
not.

they had one in 2005, and in 2002 before that, that i know of.


On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is about time for them to come out with a new one, isn't it?

 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:23 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  once again, there's the definitive guidelines for managing feline
  retroviruses. read the FULL article, it's got a great historical
  bibliography; play out a copy for your vet and make him read it in front
 of
  you. know what you're talking about, because the cats need us to speak
 for
  them.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
thanks, sharyl--i just find it alarming that people will do whatever someone
on a list tells them to, without knowing if there's any value to it. too
often, the only basis for using a product comes from the manufacturer or
supplier, or their paid spokescreatures in drag.


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Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
thanks gary, for injecting some knowledge onto the list.

speaking of injecting things, there IS some research on the cornell site
about active virus particles being found in dried secretions much longer
than originally expected. however, it's nothing but interesting, pure
research, with no practical implications.

unless, of course, you have one of those psychopathic maine coons who
wanders around the house at night, with a syringe in paw, and scrapes up
dried secretions, rehydrates them, and somehow manages to inject the
solution into his unsuspecting sibkits.

they don't have a clue how much virus is required to pass it on, whether or
not the virus remains fully potent after extended exposure to air (it's a
retrovirus, it's job is to mutate), etc. what has been known for a very long
time is that it takes persistent, prolonged contact to transmit the virus,
and that it does not stay active in the vast majority of cases, long outside
the body.

please, please, folks, learn the facts, so that you can recognize what's not
fact when you hear it.

not to be rude, or anything.

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[Felvtalk] testing methods, and forms of leukemia

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
just wondering how many of us here have ever had a bone-marrow aspiration
suggested as a normal part of the FeLV testing protocol?

here's a really good article on the different forms of leukemia and
treatments--they don't mention the date on it, tho, but someone could
probably find it.

http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing methods, and forms of leukemia

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
i know that it is. that wasn't my question.



On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 The bone marrow aspiration was suggested for confirmation of leukemia!
 Natalie

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 just wondering how many of us here have ever had a bone-marrow aspiration
 suggested as a normal part of the FeLV testing protocol?

 here's a really good article on the different forms of leukemia and
 treatments--they don't mention the date on it, tho, but someone could
 probably find it.

 http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm

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[Felvtalk] going off-list for awhile

2010-07-09 Thread MaryChristine
you know where to find me if there is need.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Beltza 2009-2010

2010-07-08 Thread MaryChristine
may the blessings of light be with her,
light outside and light within her.

she will always be a part of you, from her comfy resting spot in your heart.


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[Felvtalk] and more recalls....

2010-07-05 Thread MaryChristine
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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

2010-07-03 Thread MaryChristine
duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of NJ
that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well


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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

2010-07-03 Thread MaryChristine
there IS a members list last i checked--durned if i remember how to get
there. but that might spark fading memory cells.

brainey one? i'm sorry, i thought that coherent thought was optional in
rescue.



On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 But there's someone else, o great white brainey one...

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 On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:45 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

  duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of
 NJ
 that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

2010-07-02 Thread MaryChristine
i've stayed out of this one because it seemed a bit too weird, and i didn't
really have anything to add.

but i do remember when we were looking into insurance at the sanctuary
(where about 300 of the 600 cats were FIV and FeLV), we were never asked a
single question about what sorts of cats we had, or whether or not we were
adopting them out.

this email reminded me of what a friend who's been in the insurance business
for 30 years told us, tho--that VOLUNTEERS at a shelter/sanctuary were
considered to have acknowledged and accepted the risks involved with working
with fanged and clawed critters (and most volunteer apps/agreements remind
them of that,) but that the VISITORS, as mentioned here, are the issue.
important distinction, but not the primary one here.

i'm wondering if it's a state law thing: in KS, and possibly in MA (tho we
need someone to track the latter down), it is essentially illegal to adopt
out FIVs or FeLVs: if they come into a shelter, there are two options and
two options only. they can be killed, or they can be kept until they pass
over the bridge. they can't be adopted out, they can't be transferred to
another rescue/shelter, they can't even be fostered out.

we think that the actual law in KS is being misinterpreted and misapplied,
and suspect the same in MA, as in both places, FIVs and FeLVs have been
adopted and fostered out for years, and in KS we've talked with shelters and
animal-control officers who've never heard about this.

the state dept of agriculture is usually who licenses and inspects
facilities; i know from your website and facebook page that you've been
doing all the legal stuff--if they didn't mention anything to you, it seems
unlikely that it's state law that's involved. perhaps your inspector might
have some insight?

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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

2010-07-02 Thread MaryChristine
um, gloria, dear? new york is a big state! i'm a new yorker after all

but everyone, remember to check out belinda's FeLV-friendly list at
www.adopt.bemikitties.com. AND ENTER YOUR OWN VET into the database!

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Well we've got a New Yorker on the list or did, now I forget who!

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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

2010-07-02 Thread MaryChristine
yeah, new motto is, a mind is a terrible thing to lose.

i can't think of who is in the NYC area--from this list, at least. let me
check with some folks who don't read the list much anymore--tho james just
posted on facebook, so maybe he'll remember

or not. why should he be immune to losing one's mind?

you-know-who


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV

2010-06-29 Thread MaryChristine
first of all, find out if she is really positive. the test for FeLV is only
for antigens/exposure--she really needs to be retested with an IFA test
about 90 days after her last possible exposure. 70% of cats will test
negative after their bodies process out the virus, and it's been noted in
the literature for many years not to accept a single test result but to do a
confirmatory test. why that is consistently forgotten is unknown, but it
kills many cats.

additionally, since only 30% of unvaccinated cats continue to test
positive--and some percentage of those never become symptomatic and are not
contagious, most truly negative cats (you can't really trust a negative test
either, and should test a second time for ALL cats, but denial works much
less expensively) don't ever become positive anyway. the currently available
vaccines are highly effective since so few adult cats are actually at risk.
there are no documented cases of truly negative, vaccinated, cats exposed to
truly positive cats where a negative cat ever remains viremic if it does
indeed test positive for exposure.

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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-27 Thread MaryChristine
i always ask the vets what they would do IF IT WERE THEIR CAT--you often get
very different answers when you phrase things that way.



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[Felvtalk] OT, but still interesting: remember that VIRULENT!!! CALICI!!!! EPIDEMIC!!!!! TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!

2010-06-21 Thread MaryChristine
http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=14438

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT, but still interesting: remember that VIRULENT!!! CALICI!!!! EPIDEMIC!!!!! TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!

2010-06-21 Thread MaryChristine
what's important about it is that there IS no epidemic, there have been very
few confirmed outbreaks in the country, it's extremely rare, many of the
suspected cases turned out to be panleuk, and the vaccine that ft dodge (the
same company that makes the unproven FIV vaccine that makes all cats test
positive for FIV for the rest of its life) is effectively useless--tho they
mounted one of the best scare-tactics marketing campaigns a few years back.

the information is there--it occurs in shelters, and when it does occur, it
is so virulent it burns out the population in a short amount of time.


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 OK, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, ARE OUR CATS WHO GO OUTSIDE MORE
 LIKELY TO GET IT?  THE ARTICLE SAID MOST LIKELY TO TARGET HEALTHY CATS.
  DOES THAT MEAN FELV+ CATS ARE LESS LIKELY TO GET IT.  WHY WOULD THAT BE?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

2010-06-19 Thread MaryChristine
for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer assn of
feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii, and
contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines.
everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should sit and
watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with
circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.)

http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat

2010-06-14 Thread MaryChristine
you can post him on the www.handicappedpet.net boards, too--there's a fair
number of folks with deaf or blind or deaf/blind kitties there. you also
might want to talk with alana at the blind cat sanctuary in NC anyway, she
has lots of contacts there's another place, also in NC, i think, called
mr magoo's room--i'm not sure that i could find the link in my files (i
can't find anything lately!), but i think i found it in a search..

MC

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 Thanks for all the info!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunity

2010-06-07 Thread MaryChristine
i've ALWAYS wondered if daddy's contributed to viral status--could being
truly positive affect the gene plasma (is that the term?). i know that there
are things that do that in humans, so why not in cats? (viruses aren't
genetic! is what i get back, but i'm talking about changes that the virii
might produce.)

MC

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 That's interesting Carmen, I wonder if having different males
 father the kittens could be the reason some were positive and
 other's negative when the mother was negative. I guess we'll
 never know.

 Lorrie


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  1. RE. Immunity.

  Hi, Lorrie, I read with interest your post and wanted to weigh in
  on an interesting circumstances that happened at our sanctuary some
  years ago which made us determine that we had to test every cat and
  kitten in a litter. We had a mother cat come in who was pregnant.
  She was NEGATIVE for any virus (several tests) She had five
  kittens. Two of those kittens were Positive FeLV and three were
  negative (from then on) Since then we have had others tell us a
  similar story.  Something to do in the breeding part I believe.
  The post made me think of that mother cat and her five kittens.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 3

2010-06-04 Thread MaryChristine
yeah, the old wisdom that positive-mom meant all-positive litter, and
negative mom meant all negative babies ain't worth the litter they poop
in

the latest stuff that i've read seems to imply that the role of nurturing,
cleaning, etc may be the biggest source of exposure--so, as i put it, if
great-aunt tabby is the nursemaid in the family/colony, and SHE is positive,
then mom could be negative and babies could test positive because of tabby.

i don't know of any proven cases where cats who have processed the virus out
of their systems ever re-testing positive from a later exposure: even tho
there are different strains of the virus, most sanctuaries have found out
that they've had positives living with their negatives, often for years,
because they didn't know to retest. i know in the sanctuary where i worked,
kitties in all stages of infection, from asymptomatic on downhill were
together, so the possibilities for re-exposure when the virus was active
were certainly there.

remember, tho, that they haven't done nearly enough basic research on this
virus to have gotten to the point of looking at re-infection

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[Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests

2010-05-29 Thread MaryChristine
as with pregnancy, it's a true-false question.

http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/smallanimal/inhouse/snap/common/technology.jsf

from the section on using blood samples:

Any color development in the sample spots indicates the presence of FIV
antibody or FeLV antigen in the sample.

any vet, or tech, or person who is performing the test (and should have read
the instructions) should know this.

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Re: [Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests

2010-05-29 Thread MaryChristine
it's most probably a function of the test as much as anything else--age of
the test solution, whether the test kit was out of the refrigerator long
enough before test done, whether there was not quite enough (or maybe even
too much) blood added, odd batch of tests (maybe all with that serial number
only show faint responses on either FIV or FeLV)--no way of knowing, i'd
say. so, go with the simplest answer: if there's ANY color after 10 minutes
(or whatever that particular test specifies), it's positive. otherwise, even
five minutes later, it's negative.

for anyone cross-interested in FIV: go get a log-in id at www.idexx.com,
then wander around and find the info on their RealPCR (add trademark symbol
here!), and watch dr levy's video about their FIV test that purports to
distinquish between the wild and vaccine-induced strains. i haven't actually
watched the whole thing yet, because right now i can't remember or
concentrate on anything, but since she IS one of the premier investigators
for FIV/FeLV in the country, i figure she's a good one to listen to (and i
tend to trust IDEXX as a company, and thus their paid consultants, far more
than many others). from outside sources, i've heard that while the IDEXX
test is more reliable than any of the other attempts at doing PCR/DNA
testing for this, it still has a number of problems. i sort of gathered
that, perhaps, she addresses some of those in the video.

AND i found out, while wandering around the web the other night, why the UC
Davis FIV PCR test is not only no longer available, but almost impossible to
find any mention of--i mean, i can't find posts and announcements that i
KNOW existed. seems there were patent issues involved. that test,
according to UC Davis was 95% reliable, but considering how much trouble
other places had had in trying to develop a test, and rumors of problems
with the IDEXX test, i'm not sure i believe if. tho it's all moot

(we're dealing more and more with the issue of, where did the FIV come
from, right now in purebreds--four or five of them right now, where the
possibility of their having been vaccinated is at least as likely, if not
more so, than their having gotten out and been bitten on the butt running
away from alpha males.)

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[Felvtalk] Tulsa OK: two military cats need foster til end of october

2010-05-25 Thread MaryChristine
but there's a catch. one of them, we're told, is FILV positive. it's
life-time companion is not, nor are the resident cats where the two have
been staying. we've been trying to explain that there is no such thing as
FILV, and that we really need to know what the kitty is positive FOR, on
what test, etc. we can't even tell them what confirmatory test to use, as we
don't know what kitty tested positive for. nor do we know why the cats were
tested AFTER they went into foster care.

so, yes, we're looking for someone in the OK area who might be able to
foster two five-year-old girls who are missing their human soldier, til
he/she returns by oct 31 at the latest (could be as early as sometime in
september.) one of the cats may be positive for FIV, in which case she was
probably vaccinated; we're looking into the accuracy of the IDEXX RealPCR
test that supposedly can discriminate (sometimes!) between the vaccine and
natural strains, and might suggest it. (julie levy, dvm, does a video piece
on the idexx website about the problems with testing after vaccination, and
how the RealPCR test can be an assist.)

the cat may also have been exposed to FeLV, and by the time we get an answer
to what she tested positive for, may have already processed it out of her
little system. (she's a big healthy kitty, 12# or so, i gather).

so i can't really give actual INFORMATION or anything, but should anyone
appear in your life looking to care for two military cats who probably are
perfectly healthy, if a bit confused, you know where to find me. when i have
more information, i'll share it!

MaryChristineVille, where nothing is ever simple

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat available for adoption (via craigslist NJ)

2010-05-18 Thread MaryChristine
so what's bob's facebook linky?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?

2010-05-10 Thread MaryChristine
 trials
 that were ongoing when they purchased the product--if what is needed is
 more
 investigation, then do trials that will provide usable information to the
 entire veterinary field--don't make grandious promises, and charge a great
 deal of money just to raise people's hopes.
 
 and don't know if you've seen the protocol for the 4-week trials they
 were
 doing with sanctuaries and vet's offices with FeLVs, but asymptomatic cats
 need not apply. they want cats on their last paws--one of the questions
 asked is whether or not the cat can be expected to live to the end of the
 trial. (tho i'm not supposed to have a copy of the protocol, i do,
 somewhere--just don't know where. anyone with vets who are
 participating--tho i HOPE they've changed this whole procedure--should be
 able to supply a copy. unless they are afraid that someone might try to
 enforce the, in case of disclosure, we have the right to repossess your
 first-born, clause.
 
 i'd love to see what's happened with other veterinary meds, tho LCTI not
 being a drug might keep companies with big research  development funds
 from
 caring, where real research goes on, and there's a reputable
 concerned-citizens group in the background raising additional monies to
 fund
 the research.
 
 many veterinary drug therapies have been funded by groups of responsible
 breeders who've wanted to eradicate genetic
 conditions/diseases/predispositions in their own breeds. if there were an
 ethical, professional organization doing valid research on FeLV, i'm
 thinking that we probably COULD get a group of folks to contribute, tho
 probably not at the level of breed groups.
 
 (and if most of this already was sent, i apologize, my puter is NOT doing
 well.)
 
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[Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout

2010-05-06 Thread MaryChristine
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purchases-natura-pet-products.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv type C mutation - current articles

2010-04-23 Thread MaryChristine
great, thanks. think i'll have to actually read it when i'm a bit less
tired!

MC



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 MC,

 Here is an article discussing felv type C as a mutated felv.  I have to
 tell
 you that it is my gut level feeling that this is where the virus acts and
 how it causes such disease.  Do a search for flvcr - this is where it's at.

 Here's the website:
 http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/full/83/13/6706

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[Felvtalk] Fwd: what do you know about FeLIX -- Joel's response

2010-04-21 Thread MaryChristine
From: joel kehler
Date: Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: what do you know about FeLIX
To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com


I'm not exactly sure what you were reading or why you single out FeLV-C.
This is my understanding of the situation, although I haven't read a lot on
FeLV, and you and others may know more than I do:

FeLV-A is the less pathogenic transmissible form of the virus.  Mutagenesis
occurs when FeLV-A recombines genetically inside feline cells (I believe
with dormant atavistic remnants of genetic material from an older form of
FeLV) to produce the other variants, each of which uses specific receptors
to infect cells.  FeLV-B particularly causes cancerous tumors.  FeLV-C
particularly causes the aplastic anemia characteristic of FeLV-AIDS.  FeLV-T
is a T-cell tropic strain.   It's unclear to me if FeLV-T has a specific
disease profile or not; what is clear is that it infects T lymphocytes
preferentially, not unlike FIV, and causes immune deficiency.

FeLIX relates specifically to FeLV-T.   I did a bit of reading, and what I
find is that FeLV-T uses a unique co-receptor on the T-cell it is
infecting.  That co-receptor has been denominated FeLIX.  No other FeLV
strain uses this molecule.  I found FeLIX described as a truncated envelope
glycoprotein of an endogenous FeLV.  However, FeLV-T requires another
receptor, which is the one used by FeLV-B to infect a cell.  This makes it
possible for FeLV-T to infect cells already infected with FeLV-B.  I did not
find an association of FeLV-C and either FeLV-T or FeLIX.  Maybe you have
been looking at something that makes that association that I'm unaware of.
If so, let me know what it is.  As I said, I just dabbled for a short time.

Joel

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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: what do you know about FeLIX
To: joel kehler joelkeh...@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 4:33 PM


the mutated form of the FeLV-C strain, that supposedly is what causes all
the illness? i know all about FeCoV mutating into FIP, but this is a new one
to me i'm on my way out the door, but a very quick search showed
findings back in 2000, which in FeLV research is ancient--i know of too many
things discovered! then that has since been disproven.

since you have encountered more than anyone i know, thought i'd ask!

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Re: [Felvtalk] questions about lymphoma in early stages

2010-04-21 Thread MaryChristine
update on this kitty: he's walking on his own now, the ER specialty clinic
he was sent to says that the thickening of the intestinal walls may or may
be not be anything, his hematocrit is back up with NO transfusion, he has
none of the gait deficits the first vet said he did, and NOTHING looks as if
it's secondary to FeLV

so, since he's not critical, he's back to the original vet to be boarded til
we find a foster home for him to hang out on antibiotics and pain meds, and
retesting!

spoke with both vets, and the level of misinformation about FeLV was very
saddening. the ER folk, however, wanted to see the AAFP Management
Guidelines, and were really interested in learning that there's a whole
batch of people and organizations that work with cats with multiple
disabling conditions!

sigh.

thanks for the good thoughts.

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[Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
this is from joel, whom some of you will know from FIV stuff. while he and i
disagree VIOLENTLY (well, we're polite about it, but absolutely
diametrically opposed to one another's understanding of FIV), i greatly
respect his scientific knowledge, and his ability to follow a great variety
of streams of research. (he followed LCTI for years before imulan bought
it.)

i sent him the complete post you sent, jeni, with the details of what you'd
found, and here's his response. it seems that he talks about that one active
component, NAC, more on his personal FIV website. if anyone is interested,
i'll pull that url from another emeow.

he runs a yahoo group for FIV, as well, for those who follow the original
researchers belief and continued research that HIV/AIDS and FIV are
analogous, and that one can be treated the same as the other.

MC

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Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for
felv
To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com


I've been aware of Van Dyke (the patent writer) for a long time.  It's hard
to say much of anything.  If what he describes actually occurred, it's
impressive.  But as is so often the case, the study described was never
published on or peer-reviewed.  A woman I know said she supplemented her
FIV+ cat with Cat's Claw and Echinacea for several years and that it then
tested FIV-.  The marketers of Moducare published a study (their own) saying
that some of the cats they first tested it on back in the late 90s went + to
-.  And so on. What are you supposed to think?  It's true or it's not, but
the results are never independently vetted, so it's as much religion as
science to subscribe to them.

There's no reason to think antioxidants don't have a positive effect on
retroviral infections.  and, strange as it may seem, steroids do have some
potential usefulness.  A certain Dr. Albert Plechner claims to use steroids
as the primary (though not only) drug for curing FIV and FeLV.  There are
even a number of vets who advertise themselves as Plechner vets.  I will
say that the basis for claiming NF-kB inhibition as the crucial action of
the steroid has questionable backing since, unlike HIV, a majority of
strains of FIV have no docking site for it and so (theoretically) it
shouldn't be able to enhance viral replication, though inhibition might well
favorably impact inflammatory symptoms.  I know of a guy who gave his dying
cat 1200mg of NAC daily, probably inspired by Van Dyke; the cat died
anyhow.  In fact, I'd like to meet the cats who ate all that stuff in their
food.  Mine have always been able to sniff out the least bit of anything.
(I gave Bud about 150mg of NAC in a capsule and even that would make him
vomit if I did not give the capsule in the middle of a feeding.
Bitter-tasting stuff.)  Dianne Hayes, whom you may or may not remember from
FIVCats, gave her Max injectable NAC at the behest of her alternative-type
vet; he kept right on deteriorating.)

Don't know what else to say.

Joel


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[Felvtalk] questions about lymphoma in early stages

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
we (Hurricane Pets Rescue, in this case) have a little boy in NYC. he's an
adult, came into a city shelter. has tested positive for FeLV on his first
test, and we all know what that means. we've got him at our vet for his REAL
problems: he's unable to use his rear legs. he has superficial pain reflexes
in them, he's able to pee and poop (those are technical terms, trust me) on
his own, he's eating like crazy, he's sweet, friendly, etc. they originally
wanted to rule out a pelvic fracture, and the x-rays have done that; there
is also no indication of gunshot pellets or any other foreign body that
could be causing the rear paralysis. vet said that there are cp deficits
(conscious proprioception, technical term for various forms of clumsy,
klutzy, etc. now i have a NAME for why i walk into things, and fall over
imaginary items!), and some cell breakdown of unknown origin (lysis, for
those who don't like my definitions.)

he has a non-regenerative anemia with a hematocrit of 20; the rescue went
ahead and ordered a transfusion. it's classed as an unregenerative anemia,
but from what i recall from folks here, that doesn't necessarily mean much.

the vet says that there are other diffuse symptoms that make him quite
concerned--thickened small intestinal walls, which he thinks might indicate
a lymphoma.

so, i'm wondering what you folks, with more experience in this aspect of
things read in this. (the vet at first didn't want to talk with me, but i
was able to convince him that i knew enough that he consented to do so!)

any ideas? THANKS.

(kitty is safe for now, and we DO have a foster home for him once he's
stable, whether or not he's FeLV.)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't encountered
this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully digested!



On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Yeah, it's felv type c.  You know how there are three types A and B being
 those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes
 disease.  Let me see if I can find a good paper.

 Jenny


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  jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV,
  yes,
  which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i would
  like to see some backing for the statement.
 
  there is significant research that implies that many truly positive FeLVs
  NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008 AAFP
  guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, just
  ignored.
 
  i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: with
  cats
  who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we will
  ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not been
  enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed the
  virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because it's
 so
  common (over 100 strains, i believe).  i guess i want a definition of
  latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, and if
  that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats who
  only test negative once
 
  more input, as they say!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
FeLIX, indeed! however, having that info, a really quick search shows stuff
back from the early 2000s; i can't follow-up right now, but there were a
number of things that showed up in early research back then that has been
completely invalidated by further stuff.

anyone remember if FeLIX was mentioned in the aafp's latest set of
guidelines? (i have to go do a transport or i'd check on it all now!)

the more we know

MC


On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Okay this is going to take awhile but here's a sort explanation from a pet
 md website.  I should clarify - type C being the mutation I most fear -
 causes the severe anemia and rapid decline to death.  It is what I have
 seen
 multiple times.


 FelV is a retrovirus, an enveloped RNA virus which uses specific enzymes to
 translate its own RNA into DNA and incorporate that DNA into the body's
 DNA.
 Retroviruses were only discovered in late 1960s and did not gain their name
 till 1974.

 In retroviral infection, a virus infects a new host through receptor
 proteins on cells at the infection site, much like a key fits into a lock.
 Once a cat is infected, the virus gains a foothold by undergoing a series
 of
 genetic mutations designed to invade new sets of receptors, allowing it to
 continually evade detection, attack, and ultimately shut down the body's
 defenses. This shutdown occurs when mutated versions of the virus infect
 and
 destroy the body's T cells, which are critical to immune function.
 Recently,
 studies on FeLV identified another factor in the infection process: a
 secondary retroviral receptor (or cofactor) that is crucial for the
 mutated,
 or T-cell adapted, virus to do its work. Without this receptor,
 appropriately dubbed FELIX, the virus would be unable to set up shop.
 Specific blocking of FELIX may bring a new way to treat FeLV in future.

 The specifics are certainly more complicated than this, but I'll try to
 find
 a good article or paper or something.

 Jenny


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  Yeah, it's felv type c.  You know how there are three types A and B being
  those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes
  disease.  Let me see if I can find a good paper.
 
  Jenny
 
 
   On 4/20/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV,
  yes,
  which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i
 would
  like to see some backing for the statement.
 
  there is significant research that implies that many truly positive
 FeLVs
  NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008
 AAFP
  guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research, just
  ignored.
 
  i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory: with
  cats
  who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we
 will
  ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not been
  enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed the
  virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because it's
 so
  common (over 100 strains, i believe).  i guess i want a definition of
  latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic, and
 if
  that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats
 who
  only test negative once
 
  more input, as they say!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
check the date: 1996. see my other note!

i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything
later than, say, 2005?

MC

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:31 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that
 mutations (in this case deletions in DNA) result in a more virulent and
 pathogenic virus worsening the disease state as these mutations are gained
 by the virus.  Here's the link.

 http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/70/1/359.pdf


 On 4/20/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't
 encountered
  this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully
 digested!
 
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
 
   Yeah, it's felv type c.  You know how there are three types A and B
 being
   those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes
   disease.  Let me see if I can find a good paper.
  
   Jenny
  
  
   On 4/20/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
   
jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of
 FeLV--FeCoV,
yes,
which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i
  would
like to see some backing for the statement.
   
there is significant research that implies that many truly positive
  FeLVs
NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the 2008
  AAFP
guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new research,
  just
ignored.
   
i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency theory:
 with
cats
who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that we
  will
ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just not
  been
enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES shed
  the
virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV, because
 it's
   so
common (over 100 strains, i believe).  i guess i want a definition of
latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming symptomatic,
 and
  if
that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for cats
  who
only test negative once
   
more input, as they say!
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
there's no mention of it in the 2008 AAFP guidelines, and i would expect it
to be there.



On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Granted it is older, but I see nothing in the literature later to refute
 this information.

 On 4/20/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  check the date: 1996. see my other note!
 
  i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything
  later than, say, 2005?
 
  MC
 
  On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:31 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
 
   Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that
   mutations (in this case deletions in DNA) result in a more virulent and
   pathogenic virus worsening the disease state as these mutations are
  gained
   by the virus.  Here's the link.
  
   http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/70/1/359.pdf
  
  
   On 4/20/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
   
i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't
   encountered
this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully
   digested!
   
   
   
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 wrote:
   
 Yeah, it's felv type c.  You know how there are three types A and B
   being
 those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily
 causes
 disease.  Let me see if I can find a good paper.

 Jenny


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  jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of
   FeLV--FeCoV,
  yes,
  which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and
 i
would
  like to see some backing for the statement.
 
  there is significant research that implies that many truly
 positive
FeLVs
  NEVER become symptomatic, and that they are NOT contagious--the
  2008
AAFP
  guidelines show the citations for this, and it is NOT new
 research,
just
  ignored.
 
  i have also never seen any ACTUAL data proving the latency
 theory:
   with
  cats
  who are never retested after a negative test, there's no way that
  we
will
  ever know that the cat wasn't positive all over. there has just
 not
been
  enough research done to know how long a truly positive cat DOES
  shed
the
  virus. they DO have a pretty good idea of that with FeCoV,
 because
   it's
 so
  common (over 100 strains, i believe).  i guess i want a
 definition
  of
  latent: yes, a positive can go years without becoming
 symptomatic,
   and
if
  that's all it means, fine. however, i've been seeing if used for
  cats
who
  only test negative once
 
  more input, as they say!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-18 Thread MaryChristine
ah, but have you ever TRIED hot sauce? calicos (and honorary ones, such as
abysinnians and bengals) actually seem to like it! the age-old benefits of
dandelions is why i suggested that, rather than, say, pennyroyal, which
while it's a great pesticide, is (if i recall correctly) toxic if
ingested. (wonderful to throw around the yard, tho, if you have
dogs--enough oil to repel the fleas!)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-18 Thread MaryChristine
re-read it folks, the cats were NOT tested with the IFA as far as i can
tell--just progressive SNAPs. they state that the IDEXX test is for ANTIGENS
(exposure) as i keep emphasizing, so the fact that the cat is ultimately
negative on a snap just proves what has actually been known for a long time:
70% of cats will NOT remain viremic!

and the very fact that they consistently say HIV for a feline population
tells me that they don't know their anal glands from their whiskers: HIV is
specific to humans, FIV to cats. (what part of FELINE don't these people
get?? )

i also seriously question the reversal of the FIV cats, as i've never seen
or heard anything reliable in the literature about WESTERN-BLOT positive
FIVs being able to throw off the virus once it's established (which is what
the FIV part of the snap tests for, actual antibodies.)

i'll send this on to joel for his review,

where was this published, j? i can't believe it could have been in a
peer-reviewed pub, or that HIV/FIV nomenclature would have been caught.

thanks for sharing it, tho.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster

2010-04-18 Thread MaryChristine
this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds.

the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive. in
fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a truly
positive FeLV increases their lifespan!

(anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a
discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that looked
really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the
discussion.)

as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces
antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and Western
Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and insists
upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test!

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[Felvtalk] folks in NYC metro area DESPERATELY needed for fostering/holding FeLVs for retesting

2010-04-18 Thread MaryChristine
PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST RESPONSIBLY GRANTED! (actually, i'm begging.)

as many of you know, for whatever reasons, there is an epidemic of FeLV
cats in shelters and rescues all over the country. in none of these cases do
the receiving groups seem to understand about the SNAP test being for
EXPOSURE, not infection; and even in the very few cases where they do, they
don't have room to hold them, anyway.

many of these cats are not only asymptomatic, but very healthy--and many
were clearly housecats tossed out onto the streets, possibly because their
humans couldn't afford their care any longer. in that case, their having
recently been exposed is even more likely than in more street-experienced
cats.

what they need are halfway houses: felv-savvy places to hang out, even in a
condo cage if that's all that's available, until their little furry bodies
have had a chance to process out the virus, or, if truly positive, to lounge
around until their forever homes appear.

if you have EVER, ever considered fostering, now is a time of great
need--for all cats and dogs, but most especially for these very
misunderstood (and usually misdiagnosed) dears.

(lots of FIVs coming in, too, but the western blot can be run immediately
after the snap, so there's no waiting time required.)

if you can help, PLEASE emeow me, and i'll not only add you to my own
contact list, but let you know which other groups to contact!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start with:
an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise,
there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus
themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have
been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for
that to happen spontaneously.

now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, These
cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in
vivo model. AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary
professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and
again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV.

how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than once,
at what interval?

i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it
successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the
possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would
like more info.

actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going on?
has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that?

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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
and don't forget that with cats, for reasons unknown, once they get into a
scratchy/worrying a hair-loss place, it can become an obsessive thing that
has nothing to do with whether or not the active irritant still exists.

it's a horrible season for pollen, for all critters, so allergies are more
of a problem, earlier, too.

the other thing i thought of is a condition whose name i can't recall right
now--oh, yeah, hyperesthesia, where their skin is super sensitive to touch.
i've seen it in a kitty who had survived untreated burns--he has to be
medicated with depomedrol to function. poor dear. just another idea.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are
totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers
continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the
virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic
surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping)
they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but
after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely
resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed,
and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere.

i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs
they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most
researchers have come to accept is wrong.

the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge
grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't
bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did
identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original
hypotheses.

thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out.

i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be
real, and reproducible, and verifiable!

i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work!
(and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil
the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.)

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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
along that same vine, when you catch ringyworm FROM your cats (which can
happen even without them having any symptoms if you're susceptible--maybe i
AM genetically a persian, after all.) miconazole works great for the
human, too as will any over-the-counter fungal cream, actually.

i always forget about gentian violet, tho i think that i have always related
it more to burns than to other skin problems (actually, i just always
loved the sound of, gentian violet as a term.)

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Re: [Felvtalk] on ringworm.

2010-04-16 Thread MaryChristine
i've been threatening for years to make up a t-shirt that says, Ringworm
Happens.



On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote:

 HA Love it.

 Gloria




 On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

  re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the
 professional
 literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away
 with
 treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away
 without
 treatment in three months.

 shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm;
 many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an
 immunity,
 and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies
 will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown
 form
 of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog)

 ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around
 campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc

2010-04-10 Thread MaryChristine
i see nothing cited or attached--i know that i'd really love to see the
info.

MC


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 Gary,

 A little slow, but here are a few paper abstracts dealing with the issue.
 If you want the full text, let me know.  I'm not sure if the full text is
 on
 ovid for them all, I may have to fax you the full report if you want it.

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Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues

2010-04-10 Thread MaryChristine
chris reminded me of something the folks i work with do whenever there is
reason: we write and thank the folks at the shelters when they do good,
because public shelters rarely get any appreciation from any direction. when
we find good city shelters, and/or good animal-control officers, we let them
know that their work IS noticed

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Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues

2010-04-10 Thread MaryChristine
the info on the little diabetic kitty went out earlier today to a group that
is incredibly active with placing them! saw the story on another list this
afternoon.

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Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

2010-04-06 Thread MaryChristine
from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

2010-04-06 Thread MaryChristine
the injection-site sarcoma issue has largely been eliminated by the removal
of the adjuvent, the change in placement of the vaccine, and the advent of
safer inoculations, and non-injecting manners of delivery.

if you're NEVER going to bring another cat into your house, EVER, then i'd
say, don't vaccinate. but if you are, i'd do the full initial series--which,
personally, i think is effective for life, too, tho research hasn't been
done to confim this. even with that research, that's how vaccines SHOULD
work in all species, plus there's lots of anecdotal evidence of negatives
living with positives for years without getting regular vaccinations never
getting sick.

remember, again, that cats who test negative CAN, indeed, retest positive
later on--doesn't mean they were negative at all, just that they were tested
before the viral exposure was registering on the test. there are no cases of
TRULY positive cats (tested twice, with the second test long enough after
the first to remove the possibility of a reaction to exposure.) it's
horrible when it happens, but it happens very infrequently.

there is absolutely no research that i've seen that says that vaccinating a
positive stresses its immune system out, because until the virus is
activated, FeLVs are not frail, compromised creatures walking around with
smelling salts and hankies. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence from
members of this list that vaccinating positives STRENGTHENS their immune
response, as evidenced by their seeming to have much longer life spans than
positives who are not vaccinated

we just have to convince some researchers to follow up on that, and good
luck with that.

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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

2010-03-24 Thread MaryChristine
i am so sorry to hear this, crystal. GLOW to guide them safely across the
bridge, and to help heal your heart. they are safe and well now, and they
will always be with you.

MC


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread MaryChristine
but you needed a powerful reminder to trust those instincts, and now you
have one. you will NEVER forget this experience, and you will honor
bridget's memory every time you listen to them throughout the rest of your
life. and bridget, like all cats, knows you did you best, and understands
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread MaryChristine
hey, jeff, over at www.handicappedpet.net there are all sorts of tutorials
on how to do, pee and poop on demand, and the proper use of diapers for a
few hours a day--many of you remember mari, SpiritCat, from TX. she's got a
number of potty-compromised babies herself... (gee, you aren't in SC, are
you? we need a temporary home for a little 3-year-old recovering from a car
accident--she's currently bladder-incontinent but is expected to recover
function, but her parents' schedule keeps them from being to regularly
express her)

we are all here to learn--and it's amazing what directions the teachings
take.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-16 Thread MaryChristine
sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a
single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless
we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final
test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly negative.
this is how my cats all become exposed back in 2000--my housemate, the
shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl who'd tested negative.
we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she became symptomatic less
than a year later.

as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually negative cat (tested
twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive from living with
positives. don't blame yourself for something that you probably DIDN'T do.

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[Felvtalk] need some feedback on testing....

2010-03-12 Thread MaryChristine
this is going out to both the lists, and to some folks very involved in
special-needs rescue. so if i'm telling you things you already know, i
apologize!

there has been, in the past couple of months, a grand increase in the number
of cats testing positive on SNAP/ELISSA tests in shelter and rescue
settings, all over the country. houston/austin TX and the NYC/NJ area are
striking examples of the increase.

what's the reason? switch in test brands to the less expensive or less
accurate? so many cats coming into the system that the tests are being run
by folks who are either less experienced, or too harried to do the tests
correctly? a major injection of the virus into the outdoor-cat population? i
expect that we'd have heard about the latter if it were the case.

of course, we know that a single positive test -- even if done correctly,
with a reputable test -- means nothing more than that the kitty was exposed
to the virus. that a second test, preferably an IFA, performed 90-120 days
after the last possible exposure date, is required to confirm positive
status.

most people--including far too many vets--seem to have missed that basic
fact. in shelter situations, there is almost no chance that they can hold a
cat for retesting, and safe houses are very hard to come by.

i have consistently been telling folks NOT to do an IFA on a kitty who has
just tested positive on an ELISSA, because the IFA also tests only for
antigens--that if said fluffball is working on processing the virus out of
its body, it's gonna test positive on the IFA as well, without that 90-120
window for allowing the cat's immune system to take over.

i was just asked today whether or not it'd be a good idea to immediately
ELISSA-retest a kitty that tested positive in a shelter setting. because of
the huge increase in positive test results being seen right now, and the
fact that a positive result too often means death, i think that retesting at
a private vet's IS probably a good idea.

my question is this: might changing the recommendation, in *shelter-tested
cats*, to an immediate IFA be warranted? if the first test was accurate, and
kitty did test positive for exposure to FeLV, the IFA will show the same
response, and nothing has been lost: kitty still needs to be retested at the
90-120 day interval. if, however, the IFA is negative, because the first
test was really wrong, then we'd know immediately that kitty was fine and
ready for adoption. for vet-tested cats, i wouldn't run the IFA right away,
because of the exposure/antigen reasons (tho vets have self-reported that
doing SNAP tests wrong is on their top ten list of mistakes that make most
often), but with the sharp increase in shelter positives--what do y'all
think?

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-05 Thread MaryChristine
THEY DON'T CARE.

if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the
cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the
very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals
are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they
will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so
it hardly matters.

i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up
from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i
talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find
out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that
long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people
who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals.

so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the
state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive..

so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that
choice could entail.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-05 Thread MaryChristine
i was in MI then

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote:

 What state are you in?

 On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

  THEY DON'T CARE.

 if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the
 cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the
 very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals
 are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they
 will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so
 it hardly matters.

 i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew
 up
 from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i
 talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to
 find
 out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take
 that
 long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people
 who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals.

 so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the
 state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was
 positive..

 so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what
 that
 choice could entail.

 MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-05 Thread MaryChristine
i don't think that many states have senses of humor when it comes to rabies.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating

2010-02-26 Thread MaryChristine
re: rabies: i would suggest that you follow your state's recommendations.
should a bat or other critter with high possibility of rabies get into your
house, or your kitty get outdoors and be bitten, the odds are way too high
that should it be rabies-positive, your cat will be PRESUMED to be, and
killed.

some states WILL accept a vet's written statement that a household pet NOT
be vaccinated on health grounds, but it's definitely something to check in
advance, because you do NOT want to find yourself in this position.

if you ever want to take your kitty or puppy on vacation and are crossing
state lines, you'll need a rabies cert, too--and you'll need to know if the
states you're travelling to accept the three-year vaccines or not. (canada
requires the one-year, so even tho both michigan and new york would take the
3-year, when i'd travel between the latter two, i'd have to have the one
year...) states tend NOT to be lax and understanding about rabies

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] intro

2010-02-24 Thread MaryChristine
when he was neutered, was he given his basic shots? if so, if you can get
him the booster, that'll protect him against panleuk, and the other basics.
depends on your vet--if kitty is really hard to handle or get into a
carrier, some will give you the vaccine to administer at home.

i'm fairly sure that cats don't carry panleuk--if he's been exposed, he'll
get sick and get over it, or not, but he won't harbor it forever. anyone? if
he were ever a housecat, which it almost sounds as if he might have been at
some point, he could well have been vaccinated as a young one, so has
immunity to panleuk already. (and there's no answer, yet, as to whether or
not immunity, once established by the full series of baby shots, is lifelong
or not. i ain't even gonna go there!)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

2010-02-16 Thread MaryChristine
GLOW for both all of you. have you asked frosty paws what he wants? let him
know that you'd to have him stay with you, but that it's okay if what he
needs is to go on--sometimes i think they stay longer than they might have,
just to keep us happy.

he'll tell you if he's ready to go on, and if so, know that he takes with
him the sure knowledge that he was loved and cared for.

MC

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[Felvtalk] Los Angeles: Trying to save Tortie FELV+ kitten - SCARED ADORABLE

2010-02-01 Thread MaryChristine
CONTACT INFO IS IN LINK!

i've written to see if they can run a snap using anticoagulated blood to get
a better sense of whether little one is actually positive, since it's clear
that she does NOT have the luxury of living long enough for timely
retesting.

so, foster space is what's urgently needed now to give this little one a
chance..

crosspost, network, hold kitten up to bastet, whatever you think will work!

thanks.

MC


CROSSPOSTING urgently to bcc list to try to save unnamed kitten from being
euthanized---*lizardmarsh* is not a contact---Please rescue or help in other
ways if you can---Photo and info are in the link:
http://www.lizardmarsh.net/2010/02/los-angeles-urgent-please-help-trying.html

Thank you,

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Liz
www.lizardmarsh.net



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[Felvtalk] tortie kitten in LA, FeLV?

2010-02-01 Thread MaryChristine
never underestimate the power of networking: this just in.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Joyce Newman joyce@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: I will be online Re: tortie kitten in LA, possibly FeLV
To: twelvehousec...@gmail.com


I just got an email from Ann, she found a local group to take the kitty.
thanks for helping..


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 just wanted to let you know i'm working on her..




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Re: [Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on

2010-02-01 Thread MaryChristine
wow, what a wonderful ride she had! i'm sorry that she had to leave you and
go on to another great adventure, but just think of all the tales she's got
to share with the kitties at the bridge!

GLOW to heal your heart.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

2010-01-31 Thread MaryChristine
GLOW to guide him safely on his journey, and to heal the hearts of all who
love him.

MC


On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jason Michael Canon j...@canon.org wrote:

 At 7:45 tonight Mozart finally went to sleep.  Keep a light on for me
 little brother.

 Love always,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

2010-01-23 Thread MaryChristine
hi, michael--

sorry to hear about the troubles. i can't do anything before the deadline
here, as i'm on disability, and sort of overstepped my allotment for january
already...

something that you might think about, tho, is asking folks to do a monthly
stipend--we're paying a rent payment of $800/month just that way, with most
folks just sending $5 or $10 a month. even folks like me can manage the $5
amount! (and could do so for you, too.) remember that a lot of folks feel
that the only thing they have to offer is money, because they can't take in
another critter, and they can't do transport or physically have the time to
volunteer at a shelter or event. we always tell them that money is a very
acceptable thing for them to give people want to help, and will if they
can--you're not forcing them to, you're just letting them know that there is
need.

would you mind if i posted the link on the other FeLV list that susan
hoffman and i moderate (FeLVPositiveCats)? i'd mostly let your chip-in page
speak for itself, but mention that both susan and i have worked with your
personally.

let me know!

MC


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Second Chance Meows 
secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Michael Johnson
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 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary



 - Forwarded Message 
 From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
 To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 11:47:56 PM
 Subject: a little help needed







  Hey everyone,
  I writing today because we here at Second Chance need some help.  back in
 Oct Our son had to go to the hospital for major surgery and spent 14 days in
 the ICU  and we kind of fell behind in some things. I know lots of you don't
 know me real well but those of you that do know i don't ask for help  but i
 do give it. please take the link and pass it around to all you know if you
 would. I'm trying to do some fund raising to help us keep our house so the 8
 cats we have will continue to have a home.

 just follow the link to our donation page or pass it along to others if you
 will

 http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows

  Michael Johnson
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