Re: [Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Margo,

 

As far as I know he is not neutered, I’m not even sure he is a “he”……but he 
just seems like a big tomcat. And the other stray – Cally – is a female who 
showed up pregnant so after she had her babies I found homes for them and had 
her spayed. One reason I think he is a boy is that he gets along with Cally 
very well. I am hoping she will allow him to sleep in the shelter that we made 
for her for the winter. It is inside a carport, and is very well insulated and 
has a nice bed in it.

 

It is just baffling……… I have tamed stray cats all my life, and this guy just 
won’t trust me. We do have some farms around here that have an 
alternative-culture of people who believe that cats are rodents and their only 
purpose is to hunt mice. These people do kick cats out of their way, and they 
never ever play with a cat – and they teach their children to never get near a 
cat except to kick it. Many of them are very cruel to their dogs too – the dogs 
are only used for working with cattle, and possibly as a watch dog. I am very 
mild mannered, but I threatened to call the police on one gentleman who I 
witnessed beating a dog. He moved shortly after that. I mentioned to one of 
these folks that we had spent several thousand dollars on our cat Tigger, and 
he almost fell over. So as skiddish as “Wild Thing” is, I am wondering if he 
wandered to our house from one of those farms, and that may be why he simply 
does not trust people.

 

I will check out the feral cat group you suggested….. thank you!!

 

Ardy

 

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 


Dear Ardy,

 Try joining the yahoo feral cat group. The group is undergoing 
changes, but they should have some really spot-on suggestions for you, these 
people know their stuff!

https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feral_cats/info

  I'm guessing he's not neutered?
 
Thanks for helping,

Margo 

-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 10:50 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone 




Speaking of feral cats, we have one that has been coming to our house for about 
a year to be fed. Sometimes he goes about two weeks without showing up and then 
I worry about him. Most of the time he comes morning and night for food. But 
this is one cat I absolutely cannot get close to. I can sometimes put food in 
the dish with him on our step, and once I thought I could pet him while he was 
eating – NOT – he bolted. We call him “Wild Thing” and he is friends with our 
Cally who is also an outdoor stray. Any ideas on making friends with him? I do 
talk to him when I am outside and I show him that Cally likes to be petted, but 
he keeps his distance.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat 
with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was 
done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral.  I have used CareCredit 
for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income.   I know this 
will work out - don't give up hope

Sandy W

 

 


  _  


From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

Robert

 

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be 
surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop 
immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe 
uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was 
really bad.

 

In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with 
pain and controlling infection:

 

1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has 
a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before 
discarding it.

 

Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help 
tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding 
pharmacy. 

 

Amani

 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@

[Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Margo]

Dear Ardy, Try joining the yahoo feral cat group. The group is undergoing changes, but they should have some really spot-on suggestions for you, these people know their stuff!https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feral_cats/info              I'm guessing he's not neutered?     Thanks for helping,Margo -Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 10:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone






Speaking of feral cats, we have one that has been coming to our house for about a year to be fed. Sometimes he goes about two weeks without showing up and then I worry about him. Most of the time he comes morning and night for food. But this is one cat I absolutely cannot get close to. I can sometimes put food in the dish with him on our step, and once I thought I could pet him while he was eating – NOT – he bolted. We call him “Wild Thing” and he is friends with our Cally who is also an outdoor stray. Any ideas on making friends with him? I do talk to him when I am outside and I show him that Cally likes to be petted, but he keeps his distance.Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SandySent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:42 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral.  I have used CareCredit for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income.   I know this will work out - don't give up hopeSandy W  From: "Amani Oakley" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone Robert I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was really bad. In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with pain and controlling infection: 1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before discarding it. Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding pharmacy.  Amani -Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPELSent: September-25-16 3:06 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on top of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with some blood in the stool.   The BIG problem in the moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return again. Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be frank   this little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out. beyond that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one malady after another   Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better.  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.   I'm not just going to wait for the little guy to pass.  I'm thinking that if the Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides corticosteroids I'm going to let him go. He's just always hurting 

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Marcia Baronda]

It's good to finally be validated isn't it?  (-:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:26 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote:

> Thank you all for your advice!  I will be receiving her vet records soon and 
> will go from there
> 
> Glad I found this group of cat lovers:)  I've always been a cat person, but 
> unfortunately I married a non-cat lover, so it's a challenge trying to get 
> him to respect the kitty's I love.
> 
> Thanks again all!!
> Tricia
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: MaiMaiPG 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> 
> I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his  
> food.  He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food.
> On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > Tricia
> > My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also  
> > positive and 5 others who are all negative.  My vet says that as  
> > long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are  
> > no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little  
> > chance of the negatives getting it.  Nitnoy died after a short bout  
> > with impacted glands that became infected.  That killed her, not the  
> > FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection.   
> > Annie is still going strong .  Have you thought of changing food.   
> > Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in  
> > most commercial foods.  Casey would hurl right after eating and had  
> > stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care  
> > to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time.  Just like  
> > people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom.   
> > I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems.  Casey  
> > still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds.  Then  
> > recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball  
> > dry as treats.  Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare.   
> > I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to  
> > keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats.  Also, does your  
> > baby eat too fast?  Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food  
> > down.  Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it  
> > away from her and gave it back in a few minutes.  Ended up sitting  
> > by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time.  It did  
> > not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower  
> > kept her from vomintting.  Just a few things you might try.  Better  
> > than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement.
> >
> >
> >  john pollack  wrote:
> >> Tricia
> > My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
> > He had his ups and downs, as we all do
> > He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
> >
> > As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten  
> > something that disagreed with him
> >
> > What test was done. Snap or other??
> > With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??)  
> > is more through, and can tell if he actually has it
> >   I wish you the best
> >   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm hoping someone can help me
> >
> > We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend  
> > decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the  
> > vet with shots, spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline  
> > leukemia.  She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was  
> > making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I told her I didn't  
> > want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her  
> > back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is  
> > not to be around the other cats with her cancer.
> >
> > So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been  
> > fine other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft,  
> > and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleepin

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[strchalbach]

Thank you all for your advice!  I will be receiving her vet records soon and 
will go from there

Glad I found this group of cat lovers:)  I've always been a cat person, but 
unfortunately I married a non-cat lover, so it's a challenge trying to get him 
to respect the kitty's I love.

Thanks again all!!
Tricia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia


I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his  
food.  He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food.
On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM,  wrote:

> Tricia
> My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also  
> positive and 5 others who are all negative.  My vet says that as  
> long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are  
> no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little  
> chance of the negatives getting it.  Nitnoy died after a short bout  
> with impacted glands that became infected.  That killed her, not the  
> FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection.   
> Annie is still going strong .  Have you thought of changing food.   
> Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in  
> most commercial foods.  Casey would hurl right after eating and had  
> stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care  
> to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time.  Just like  
> people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom.   
> I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems.  Casey  
> still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds.  Then  
> recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball  
> dry as treats.  Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare.   
> I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to  
> keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats.  Also, does your  
> baby eat too fast?  Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food  
> down.  Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it  
> away from her and gave it back in a few minutes.  Ended up sitting  
> by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time.  It did  
> not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower  
> kept her from vomintting.  Just a few things you might try.  Better  
> than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement.
>
>
>  john pollack  wrote:
>> Tricia
> My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
> He had his ups and downs, as we all do
> He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
>
> As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten  
> something that disagreed with him
>
> What test was done. Snap or other??
> With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??)  
> is more through, and can tell if he actually has it
>   I wish you the best
>   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me
>
> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend  
> decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the  
> vet with shots, spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline  
> leukemia.  She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was  
> making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I told her I didn't  
> want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her  
> back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is  
> not to be around the other cats with her cancer.
>
> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been  
> fine other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft,  
> and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places  
> that she uses.  Well now today,  she had a ver messy stool on the  
> wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good  
> using the littler box.
>
> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler  
> box?  She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to  
> give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
>
> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do  
> that:)  She also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She  
> will play with a string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I  
> had to resort to put

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Beth]

Again...golf balls contain leadplease don't put them in food bowls or give 
them to animals as toys.


 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 
I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his food.  
He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food.
On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM,  wrote:

> Tricia
> My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also positive 
> and 5 others who are all negative.  My vet says that as long as the negatives 
> have their vaccination for FELV and here are no fights where a positive bites 
> a negative, there is very little chance of the negatives getting it.  Nitnoy 
> died after a short bout with impacted glands that became infected.  That 
> killed her, not the FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the 
> infection.  Annie is still going strong .  Have you thought of changing food. 
>  Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in most 
> commercial foods.  Casey would hurl right after eating and had stool problems 
> and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care to remember. She simply 
> could not get to the box on time.  Just like people, when it hits you don't 
> have much time to get to a bathroom.  I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and 
> no moe problems.  Casey still has
 hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds.  Then recently I started 
giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball dry as treats.  Everyone loves 
it and now even hairballs are rare.  I usually give around 10 pieces to each 
one and then stand guard to keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats.  
Also, does your baby eat too fast?  Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food 
down.  Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it away from 
her and gave it back in a few minutes.  Ended up sitting by her when she ate 
and giving her just a bite at a time.  It did not take too long for her to 
catch on to th fact that eating slower kept her from vomintting.  Just a few 
things you might try.  Better than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement.
> 
> 
>  john pollack  wrote:
>> Tricia
> My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
> He had his ups and downs, as we all do
> He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
> 
> As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
> disagreed with him
> 
> What test was done. Snap or other??
> With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
> through, and can tell if he actually has it
>   I wish you the best
>   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____
> From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me
> 
> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
> take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
> and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about 
> a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
> told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
> her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not 
> to be around the other cats with her cancer.
> 
> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
> other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a 
> few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now 
> today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
> shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.
> 
> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
> has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
> her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
> 
> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She 
> also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a 
> string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her 
> back in the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down 
> there with her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had 
> the run of the house now for weeks, but I ju

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[MaiMaiPG]

 
will provide good bacteria for her intestines.

>
> Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden  
noises, etc, that could have been the problem.
> As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2,  
coming up at night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.   
She had lost her owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer  
for 3 weeks.  The lady's sister came once a day, fed her and changed  
her box.  Then she was put in a box, brought to the vet's and I  
picked her up and brought her home to a house with a basement, 6  
cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed straight for the  
basement.  She had always been an only cat so getting used to a  
house full and new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not  
like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it.
> I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that  
comes our way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and  
do not do things.  For that reason, I have a letter to go with each  
one when I pass so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them  
will be able to understand their little quirks.

>
>  strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> > Hi Sharyl,
> >
> > Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
> >
> > I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
> >
> > I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in  
the stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.

> >
> > So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to  
try that and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to  
stay in the basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other  
response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is  
what I might be thinking.  I think previously, we were chasing the  
kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta  
"ran out"...

> >
> > What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first  
came here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was  
under the bed again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they  
aren't feeling well?

> >
> > Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
> >
> > Tricia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sharyl 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re- 
test for FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she  
been treated for worms?  That may be why her stools are soft. >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[MaiMaiPG]

Every feral I have ever known has refused a closed box..the  
odors must be upsetting like a port-a-let that has been well  used.

On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:54 PM, katskat1 wrote:

Some good suggestions!  I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive  
tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her  
interested.  She inhales it!  Little miss Hoover.  I am feeding 9  
other cats and three dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets  
sensitive tummy food along with thyroid, pain and inflammation meds  
so I don't have time to pay enough attention to her to try and slow  
her down.  I may start feeding her separately.  Will see how it  
goes.  Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her hairball medicine  
cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food bowl!!  Subtle  
kitty that she is...


For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and  
shiny.  She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday.   
She will not give it up.  Hope to keep her in til spring.


Ozzie is doing MUCH better.  Fattened up in his head, chest and  
front section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out.   
Mingles with the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted  
in a manner and spot he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/  
out so all is well.  So far no issues developing with ,the FIV.   
Discovered he was choosing his own toilet areas, none of them litter  
boxes cause he apparently requires there be no top/lid on the boxes  
he is to use,.  Take the lid off and he uses it every time.  One  
mystery solved.



Kat
::
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote:
When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It  
will provide good bacteria for her intestines.


Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises,  
etc, that could have been the problem.
As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming  
up at night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had  
lost her owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3  
weeks.  The lady's sister came once a day, fed her and changed her  
box.  Then she was put in a box, brought to the vet's and I picked  
her up and brought her home to a house with a basement, 6 cats and 2  
new people.  She freaked out and headed straight for the basement.   
She had always been an only cat so getting used to a house full and  
new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not like sharing me  
with the others, but does put up with it.
I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes  
our way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do  
not do things.  For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one  
when I pass so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will  
be able to understand their little quirks.


 strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Sharyl,
>
> Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
>
> I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
>
> I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in  
the stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.

>
> So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try  
that and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay  
in the basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other  
response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is  
what I might be thinking.  I think previously, we were chasing the  
kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta  
"ran out"...

>
> What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came  
here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under  
the bed again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't  
feeling well?

>
> Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
>
> Tricia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sharyl 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>
>
>
> Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re- 
test for FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she  
been treated for worms?  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many  
add some canned plain pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the  
canned food to add fiber when a kitty has diarrhea.   Usually start  
out with 1 tsp.

>
> I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
> http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
> Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
>
> You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason  
she has it

>
> Sharyl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  Sent: Sunda

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[katskat1]

o use,.  Take the lid off and he uses it
> every time.  One mystery solved.
> >
> >
> > Kat
> > ::
> > On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote:
> > When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It will
> provide good bacteria for her intestines.
> >
> > Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises, etc,
> that could have been the problem.
> > As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up
> at night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had lost her
> owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks.  The lady's
> sister came once a day, fed her and changed her box.  Then she was put in a
> box, brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a
> house with a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed
> straight for the basement.  She had always been an only cat so getting used
> to a house full and new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not
> like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it.
> > I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our
> way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do
> things.  For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass
> so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will be able to
> understand their little quirks.
> >
> >  strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > Hi Sharyl,
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
> > >
> > > I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
> > >
> > > I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the
> stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.
> > >
> > > So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try
> that and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the
> basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he
> said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.
>  I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may
> have gotten scared and it just sorta "ran out"...
> > >
> > > What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came
> here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the
> bed again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling
> well?
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
> > >
> > > Tricia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Sharyl 
> > > To: felvtalk 
> > > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test
> for FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated
> for worms?  That may be why her stools are soft. >
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Shelley Theye]

nie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at 
> night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had lost her owner 
> to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks.  The lady's sister 
> came once a day, fed her and changed her box.  Then she was put in a box, 
> brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a house with 
> a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed straight for 
> the basement.  She had always been an only cat so getting used to a house 
> full and new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not like sharing me 
> with the others, but does put up with it.
> I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our way, 
> it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do things.  For 
> that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass so the no kill 
> shelter I have selected to get them will be able to understand their little 
> quirks.
> 
>  strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> > Hi Sharyl,
> >
> > Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
> >
> > I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
> >
> > I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the 
> > stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.
> >
> > So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and 
> > I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the 
> > basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he 
> > said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking. 
> >  I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may 
> > have gotten scared and it just sorta "ran out"...
> >
> > What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, 
> > and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed 
> > again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?
> >
> > Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
> >
> > Tricia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sharyl 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for 
> > FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for 
> > worms?  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain 
> > pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a 
> > kitty has diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
> >
> > I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
> > http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
> > Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
> >
> > You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has it
> >
> > Sharyl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> >  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> >  Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm hoping someone can help me
> >
> > We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
> > take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, 
> > spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for 
> > about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter 
> > box.  I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, 
> > so I took her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and 
> > she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer.
> >
> > So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
> > other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find 
> > a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now 
> > today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
> > shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.
> >
> > Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  
> > She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
> > her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
> >
> > She does seems to sleep most 

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[MaiMaiPG]

I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his  
food.  He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food.

On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM,  wrote:


Tricia
My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also  
positive and 5 others who are all negative.  My vet says that as  
long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are  
no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little  
chance of the negatives getting it.  Nitnoy died after a short bout  
with impacted glands that became infected.  That killed her, not the  
FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection.   
Annie is still going strong .  Have you thought of changing food.   
Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in  
most commercial foods.  Casey would hurl right after eating and had  
stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care  
to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time.  Just like  
people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom.   
I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems.  Casey  
still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds.  Then  
recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball  
dry as treats.  Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare.   
I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to  
keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats.  Also, does your  
baby eat too fast?  Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food  
down.  Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it  
away from her and gave it back in a few minutes.  Ended up sitting  
by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time.  It did  
not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower  
kept her from vomintting.  Just a few things you might try.  Better  
than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement.



 john pollack  wrote:

Tricia

My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He had his ups and downs, as we all do
He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!

As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten  
something that disagreed with him


What test was done. Snap or other??
With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??)  
is more through, and can tell if he actually has it

  I wish you the best
  FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was


John





From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia


Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend  
decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the  
vet with shots, spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline  
leukemia.  She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was  
making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I told her I didn't  
want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her  
back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is  
not to be around the other cats with her cancer.


So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been  
fine other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft,  
and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places  
that she uses.  Well now today,  she had a ver messy stool on the  
wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good  
using the littler box.


Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler  
box?  She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to  
give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???


She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do  
that:)  She also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She  
will play with a string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I  
had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and  
litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with her again, as I  
did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of the  
house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.



I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do  
not.  I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of  
treatments...



Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[katskat1]

Some good suggestions!  I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive
tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested.
 She inhales it!  Little miss Hoover.  I am feeding 9 other cats and three
dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with
thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough
attention to her to try and slow her down.  I may start feeding her
separately.  Will see how it goes.  Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her
hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food
bowl!!  Subtle kitty that she is...

For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny.
 She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday.  She will not
give it up.  Hope to keep her in til spring.

Ozzie is doing MUCH better.  Fattened up in his head, chest and front
section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out.  Mingles with
the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot
he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well.  So far
no issues developing with ,the FIV.  Discovered he was choosing his own
toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there
be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,.  Take the lid off and he uses it
every time.  One mystery solved.


Kat
::
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote:

> When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It will
> provide good bacteria for her intestines.
>
> Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises, etc,
> that could have been the problem.
> As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at
> night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had lost her
> owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks.  The lady's
> sister came once a day, fed her and changed her box.  Then she was put in a
> box, brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a
> house with a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed
> straight for the basement.  She had always been an only cat so getting used
> to a house full and new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not
> like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it.
> I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our
> way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do
> things.  For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass
> so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will be able to
> understand their little quirks.
>
>  strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> > Hi Sharyl,
> >
> > Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
> >
> > I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
> >
> > I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the
> stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.
> >
> > So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that
> and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the
> basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he
> said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.
>  I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may
> have gotten scared and it just sorta "ran out"...
> >
> > What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here,
> and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed
> again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?
> >
> > Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
> >
> > Tricia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sharyl 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for
> FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for
> worms?  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain
> pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a
> kitty has diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
> >
> > I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
> > http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
> > Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
> >
> > You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has
> it
> >
> > Sharyl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> &g

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[dlgegg]

When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It will provide 
good bacteria for her intestines.  

Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises, etc, that 
could have been the problem.  
As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at night 
to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had lost her owner to 
cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks.  The lady's sister came 
once a day, fed her and changed her box.  Then she was put in a box, brought to 
the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a house with a basement, 
6 cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed straight for the basement. 
 She had always been an only cat so getting used to a house full and new people 
didn't help her.  Now, she still does not like sharing me with the others, but 
does put up with it.  
I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our way, it 
would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do things.  For that 
reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass so the no kill shelter 
I have selected to get them will be able to understand their little quirks.

 strchalb...@aol.com wrote: 
> Hi Sharyl,
> 
> Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
> 
> I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.  
> 
> I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... 
> I will try to check her stool more closely.  
> 
> So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I 
> will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement, 
> near her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he said, she just 
> may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.  I think 
> previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten 
> scared and it just sorta "ran out"...
> 
> What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and 
> has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again?  I 
> read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?
> 
> Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
> 
> Tricia
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sharyl 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for FeLV 
> after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms? 
>  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain pumpkin 
> (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has 
> diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
>  
> I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
> http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
> Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
>  
> You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has it
>  
> Sharyl
> 
> 
>   
>  
>  
>   
>   From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
>  Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>   
>  
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me
> 
> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
> take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
> and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about 
> a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
> told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
> her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not 
> to be around the other cats with her cancer.
> 
> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
> other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a 
> few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now 
> today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
> shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.  
> 
> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
> has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
> her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
> 
> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
> also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a 
> string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting 

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[dlgegg]

Tricia
My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also positive and 
5 others who are all negative.  My vet says that as long as the negatives have 
their vaccination for FELV and here are no fights where a positive bites a 
negative, there is very little chance of the negatives getting it.  Nitnoy died 
after a short bout with impacted glands that became infected.  That killed her, 
not the FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection.  
Annie is still going strong .  Have you thought of changing food.  Several of 
my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in most commercial foods.  
Casey would hurl right after eating and had stool problems and I have cleaned 
up more little puddles than I care to remember. She simply could not get to the 
box on time.  Just like people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to 
a bathroom.  I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems.  Casey 
still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds.  Then recently I 
started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball dry as treats.  
Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare.  I usually give around 10 
pieces to each one and then stand guard to keep Harley from taking everyone 
else's treats.  Also, does your baby eat too fast?  Casey also had a tendency 
to gulp her food down.  Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I 
took it away from her and gave it back in a few minutes.  Ended up sitting by 
her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time.  It did not take too 
long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower kept her from 
vomintting.  Just a few things you might try.  Better than the 2 of you 
sleeping in the basement.


 john pollack  wrote: 
> Tricia
My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He had his ups and downs, as we all do
He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!

As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
disagreed with him

What test was done. Snap or other??
With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
through, and can tell if he actually has it
  I wish you the best
  FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was


John





 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She also 
does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string too.  
So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the 
basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with 
her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of 
the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Marcia Baronda]

Dana
I can certainly vouch for that! Mine were trying to use the litterbox as I was 
pouring Dr elseys into it! Fixed the problem(:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Dana Giordano  wrote:

> Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at least 
> when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he was 
> about 11. It worked immediately for him.
> 
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi John!
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the 
>> house?? That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover, so 
>> he was not particularly happy stepping in the poop today:(  
>> 
>> EdI'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she  
>> left her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out??  I hate to 
>> keep her in the basement now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the 
>> night.  She does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two 
>> litter boxes.  
>> E the
>> I do not know what test she was given.  If it's not too difficult for you to 
>> discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the 
>> end?So I might know what signs to look for
>> 
>> Hope your other kitties are healthy:)
>> 
>> Thanks again for your time!
>> Tricia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: john pollack 
>> To: felvtalk 
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>> 
>> Tricia
>> My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
>> He had his ups and downs, as we all do
>> He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
>> 
>> As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
>> disagreed with him
>> 
>> What test was done. Snap or other??
>> With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
>> through, and can tell if he actually has it
>>   I wish you the best
>>   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm hoping someone can help me
>> 
>> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
>> take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
>> and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about 
>> a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  
>> I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I 
>> took her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she 
>> is not to be around the other cats with her cancer.
>> 
>> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
>> other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find 
>> a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now 
>> today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
>> shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.  
>> 
>> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
>> has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
>> her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
>> 
>> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
>> also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a 
>> string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting 
>> her back in the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping 
>> down there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She 
>> has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since 
>> her accident.
>> 
>> 
>> I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
>> certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your time:)))
>> 
>> I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!
>> 
>> Tricia 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[john pollack]

Tigger passed very suddenly, from what we believe to be a feline heart issue

He has been playing that morning, being silly as usual, not wanting me to go to 
work, as usual
When i came home, he was gone

you probably had the SNAP done

wait a few weeks, then do the IFA

and remember, that they can live very rich lives, being just as loving (more 
so, in my opinion), and being silly.

Bless you for taking this little one in

John





 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 

Hi John!

Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the house?? 
That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover, so he was not 
particularly happy stepping in the poop today:(  

I'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she  left 
her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it justall ran out??  I hate to keep her in 
the basement now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the night.  She does 
have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two litter boxes.  

I do not know what test she was given.  If it's not too difficult for you to 
discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the 
end?    So I might know what signs to look for

Hope your other kitties are healthy:)

Thanks again for your time!
Tricia



 
-Original Message-
From: john pollack 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

 
 
Tricia
My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He had his ups and downs, as we all do
He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!

As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
disagreed with him

What test was done. Snap or other??
With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
through, and can tell if he actually has it
  I wish you the best
  FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was


John

 
 


 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 
 
Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She also 
does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string too.  
So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the 
basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with 
her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of 
the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Christiane Biagi]

A few things-first, thank you for taking in this little one.  Its too bad
that her adopter declawed her as it means she can't go outside!  On the
FELV-there are 2 standard tests.  There's one the vet does in the office-a
pin prick of blood on a test strip-its called the Elissa or snap test.  Then
there's one done by the vet drawing blood and sending to a lab-its called
the IFA.  If a cat tests pos on the Elissa it should be retested on the IFA
sometime later.  It is possible the cat can throw off the virus so you have
to give it time between the Elissa and IFA.

 

Many folks on this board will tell you about their cats who  have lived
long, healthy lives.  My own Tucson is 13 and doing ok.  I had another who I
brought in from the street after I'd been feeding him for a couple of years.
He died several years later from lymphoma and we guessed he was around 8.
The thing is that the FELV virus won't actually kill them but it makes them
so much more susceptible to infections-URI, UTI, etc.  I tend to bring
Tucson to the vet a bit quicker than I do my other ones if she has the
sniffles or stops eating, etc.  They are also more susceptible to gum
infections, lymphomas, blood disorders, etc.  so you have to keep an eye on
that. 

 

Best thing you can do is give her some decent food, watch for any sign of
problems.  As far as the litter box, tough to know.  Sometimes they don't
like a particular litter.  And the stool, you might want to take a stool
sample to vet for fecal.  I think the Tyleson Tartrate is an antibiotic but
am not familiar w. it.  I'm not sure about having it on hand to give to her
if she gets sick.  There are different antibiotics for different things.
Folks on the board might have more info.

 

How old is Pumpkin?  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
strchalb...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

 

Hello,
cs
I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about
a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.
I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I
took her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she
is not to be around the other cats with her cancer.
ons
So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine
other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find
a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now
today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really
shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She
also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a
string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting
her back in the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping
down there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She
has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since
her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Sharyl]

Or hiding under the bed could be a sign she was scared.  
It is unusual for an adult cat to contract FeLV.  I would definitely have 
Pumpkin retested
Sharyl
 


 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
  

HiSharyl,

Thank you so much for the quick reply:)

I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.  

I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... I 
will try to check her stool more closely.  

So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I 
will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement,near 
her pottyfor awhile?  I had one other response, and he said, she just may have 
had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.  I think previously, we 
were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just 
sorta "ran out"...

What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and 
has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again?  I 
read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?

Thanks again for your time and knowledge:

Tricia

 
 
  
-Original Message-
From: Sharyl 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

 
 
Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for FeLV 
after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms?  
That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not 
the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has 
diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp. 
  
I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info 
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html 
Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis. 
  
You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has it 
  
Sharyl 
  
 


 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
  
 
Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She also 
does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string too.  
So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the 
basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with 
her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of 
the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[MaiMaiPG]

Sometimes cats just want to be alone ... like people.  Other times  
they don't feel safe.


What kind of litter are you using?  My former outside cats like the  
pine pellets.  No perfumes, scent reminds them of the pine thicket  
they lived in etc.  Also extremely easy to dispose of in the country.


You may not be able to see the worms.  Can you take a sample to the  
vet's to have it checked.  There are so many kinds of worms and they  
could be causing the problems.


Try Feliway spray or Cat Nap.

Mine like to play with feathers as well as soft balls, paper sacks etc.
On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:13 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Sharyl,

Thank you so much for the quick reply:)

I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.

I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the  
stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.


So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try  
that and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay  
in the basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other  
response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is  
what I might be thinking.  I think previously, we were chasing the  
kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta  
"ran out"...


What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came  
here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under  
the bed again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't  
feeling well?


Thanks again for your time and knowledge:

Tricia



-Original Message-
From: Sharyl 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test  
for FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been  
treated for worms?  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add  
some canned plain pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned  
food to add fiber when a kitty has diarrhea.   Usually start out  
with 1 tsp.


I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.

You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she  
has it


Sharyl

From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend  
decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the  
vet with shots, spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline  
leukemia.  She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was  
making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I told her I didn't  
want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her  
back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is  
not to be around the other cats with her cancer.


So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been  
fine other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft,  
and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places  
that she uses.  Well now today,  she had a ver messy stool on the  
wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good  
using the littler box.


Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler  
box?  She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to  
give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???


She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do  
that :)  She also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She  
will play with a string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I  
had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and  
litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with her again, as I  
did when she first came in the house.  She has had the run of the  
house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.



I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do  
not.  I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of  
treatments...



Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[dana giordano]

big oops! Thanks PandieAnn! you're right, it's dr elseys cat attract.


On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:32 PM,  wrote:

> **
> it's not the precious cat litter it's dr. elsey's "cat attract."  100%
> guaranteed money back.
>
>  In a message dated 1/13/2013 10:29:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> giordano.d...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at
> least when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he
> was about 11. It worked immediately for him.
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>  Hi John!
>
> Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the
> house?? That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover,
> so he was not particularly happy stepping in the poop today:(
>
> I'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she
> left her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out??  I hate to
> keep her in the basement now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the
> night.  She does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two
> litter boxes.
>
> I do not know what test she was given.  If it's not too difficult for you
> to discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards
> the end?So I might know what signs to look for
>
> Hope your other kitties are healthy:)
>
> Thanks again for your time!
> Tricia
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: john pollack 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>
>  Tricia
> My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
> He had his ups and downs, as we all do
> He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
>
> As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that
> disagreed with him
>
> What test was done. Snap or other??
> With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is
> more through, and can tell if he actually has it
>   I wish you the best
>   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
>
>
> John
>
>   --
> *From:* "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me
>
> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided
> to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with
> shots, spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She
> kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as
> using the litter box.  I told her I didn't want her to go to an over
> crowded humane society, so I took her back.  She is now in the house, as
> she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with
> her cancer.
>
> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine
> other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find
> a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now
> today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!!
> Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.
>
> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She
> has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to
> her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
>
> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She
> also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a
> string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting
> her back in the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up
> sleeping down there with her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse. 
>  She has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't
> trust her since her accident.
>
>
> I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.
> I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments...
>
>
> Thank you for your time:)))
>
> I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!
>
> Tricia
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[PandieAnn]

it's not the precious cat litter it's dr. elsey's "cat attract."  100%  
guaranteed money back.
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2013 10:29:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
giordano.d...@gmail.com writes:

Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at  
least when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he  
was 
about 11. It worked immediately for him.

On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21  PM, _strchalbach@aol.com_ 
(mailto:strchalb...@aol.com)  wrote:



Hi John!

Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the  
house?? That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover, so he 
was not particularly happy stepping in the poop  today:(  

I'm thinking we  were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she   
left her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it  just all ran out??  I hate to 
keep her in the basement  now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the 
night.  She does have  plenty of blankets down there with her food and two 
litter  boxes.  

I do not know what test she  was given.  If it's not too difficult for you 
to discuss,  could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards 
the  end?So I might know what signs to look  for

Hope your other  kitties are healthy:)

Thanks again for your  time!
Tricia






-Original Message-
From: john  pollack <_bucfanmd@yahoo.com_ (mailto:bucfa...@yahoo.com) >
To: felvtalk  <_felvtalk@felineleukemia.org_ 
(mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org) >
Sent:  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has  feline leukemia


 
Tricia
My  Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He  had his ups and downs, as we all do
He  lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!


As  far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
 disagreed with him


What  test was done. Snap or other??
With  Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is 
more  through, and can tell if he actually has it
   I wish you the best
   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was




John





 
  

 From: "_strchalbach@aol.com_ (mailto:strchalb...@aol.com) " 
<_strchalbach@aol.com_ (mailto:strchalb...@aol.com) >
To: _felvtalk@felineleukemia.org_ (mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org)   
Sent: Sunday, January 13,  2013 10:06 PM
Subject:  [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline  leukemia


Hello,

I'm hoping someone  can help me

We live in the  country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided 
to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her  all fixed up at the vet with shots, 
spay and  declaw.  She found out she has   feline leukemia.  She kept her for 
about a  month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the  
litter box.  I told  her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane 
society, so I took her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front  
declawed, 
and she is not to be around the other  cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
other than not  eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a 
few hard  turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now  
today,  she had a ver messy stool on the  wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
shocked me as she's been so  good using the littler box.  

Is  this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler  box?  
She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder  form), when/if she gets sick???

She does  seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that  :)  
She also does purr quite loud!!   Must be a good sign.  She will play with a 
string too.  So she's  been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting 
her back in the basement with her food and  litter.  I might end  up sleeping 
 down there with her again, as I did when she first  came in the house.  
She has had the run of the house now  for weeks, but I just don't trust her 
since her  accident.


I've read where infected cats can live  quite long, but yet others do not.  
I  certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of  treatments... 


Thank you for your  time:)))

I appreciate any input for my  Pumpkin!

Tricia  


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Dana Giordano]

Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at least 
when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he was about 
11. It worked immediately for him.

On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi John!
> 
> Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the house?? 
> That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover, so he was 
> not particularly happy stepping in the poop today:(  
> 
> I'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she  
> left her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out??  I hate to 
> keep her in the basement now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the 
> night.  She does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two 
> litter boxes.  
> 
> I do not know what test she was given.  If it's not too difficult for you to 
> discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the 
> end?So I might know what signs to look for
> 
> Hope your other kitties are healthy:)
> 
> Thanks again for your time!
> Tricia
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: john pollack 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> 
> Tricia
> My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
> He had his ups and downs, as we all do
> He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!
> 
> As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
> disagreed with him
> 
> What test was done. Snap or other??
> With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
> through, and can tell if he actually has it
>   I wish you the best
>   FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was
> 
> 
> John
> 
> From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me
> 
> We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
> take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
> and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about 
> a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
> told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
> her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not 
> to be around the other cats with her cancer.
> 
> So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine 
> other than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a 
> few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now 
> today,  she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really 
> shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box.  
> 
> Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
> has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
> her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???
> 
> She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
> also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a 
> string too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her 
> back in the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down 
> there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She has had 
> the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her 
> accident.
> 
> 
> I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
> certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time:)))
> 
> I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!
> 
> Tricia 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[strchalbach]

Hi John!

Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the house?? 
That would be heaven for me:)))  My husband is NOT  a cat lover, so he was not 
particularly happy stepping in the poop today:(  

I'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she  left 
her mess.  Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out??  I hate to keep her 
in the basement now, but I don't want any "surprises" during the night.  She 
does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two litter boxes.  

I do not know what test she was given.  If it's not too difficult for you to 
discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the 
end?So I might know what signs to look for

Hope your other kitties are healthy:)

Thanks again for your time!
Tricia

 

 

 

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From: john pollack 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia



Tricia
My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He had his ups and downs, as we all do
He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!


As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
disagreed with him


What test was done. Snap or other??
With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
through, and can tell if he actually has it
  I wish you the best
  FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was




John




  
 
 
  
  From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
  
 

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string 
too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in 
the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there 
with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She has had the run 
of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[strchalbach]

Hi Sharyl,

Thank you so much for the quick reply:)

I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.  

I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... I 
will try to check her stool more closely.  

So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I 
will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement, near 
her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he said, she just may have 
had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.  I think previously, we 
were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just 
sorta "ran out"...

What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and 
has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again?  I 
read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?

Thanks again for your time and knowledge:

Tricia

 

 

 

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From: Sharyl 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia



Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for FeLV 
after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms?  
That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not 
the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has 
diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
 
I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
 
You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has it
 
Sharyl


  
 
 
  
  From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
  
 

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string 
too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in 
the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there 
with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She has had the run 
of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[Sharyl]

Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for FeLV 
after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms?  
That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not 
the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has 
diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
 
I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
 
You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has it
 
Sharyl
 


 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
  

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She also 
does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string too.  
So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the 
basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with 
her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of 
the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[john pollack]

Tricia
My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV
He had his ups and downs, as we all do
He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!!

As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that 
disagreed with him

What test was done. Snap or other??
With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more 
through, and can tell if he actually has it
  I wish you the best
  FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was


John





 From: "strchalb...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:)  She also 
does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string too.  
So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the 
basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there with 
her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse.  She has had the run of 
the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 

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[Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

[strchalbach]

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me

We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided to 
take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay 
and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for about a 
month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box.  I 
told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took 
her back.  She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to 
be around the other cats with her cancer.

So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other 
than not eating a whole lot.  Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few 
hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses.  Well now today,  
she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me 
as she's been so good using the littler box.  

Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box?  She 
has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to 
her(powder form), when/if she gets sick???

She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :)  She 
also does purr quite loud!!  Must be a good sign.  She will play with a string 
too.  So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in 
the basement with her food and litter.  I might end  up sleeping down there 
with her again, as I did when she first came in the house.  She has had the run 
of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident.


I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not.  I 
certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... 


Thank you for your time:)))

I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin!

Tricia 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Natalie]

I don't know about the holistic remedies, but I always give all FeLV and FIV
positive cats, or older cat, CoQ10 - I get the GNC vegetarian brand because
it's in powder form in capsules - easy to mix into the food. I get the 50 mg
or 100 mg and use about 50 mg for each cat daily.  Great for gums, heart,
and so much more.
BTW - since this group accepts nothing large, it's a good idea to split up
the longer messages and make sure to erase all the old back and forth
messages because they all add to the size.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

What are some of these holistic remedies for gum issues? Tweetys gums as
pretty bad and they want to pull out 3 of his teeth. :( I'm terribly nervous
about that surgery. He is 9. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts for testing

[Beth]

An IFA will tell you if the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. Once that 
happens the virus will not go away, so If you want to be sure he is positive & 
will not throw off the virus you could do that. It does cost close to $100 if I 
remember correctly.
Even FeLV kitties who are initially sick can get better & stay healthy for 
awhile. Most of mine were strays & not in good health to begin with. You just 
never know. Some I've had for a week, some for years.

Beth

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From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts 
for testing


I'm sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to specific threads, maybe because 
I receive a digest instead of each post.  I'm using this site 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org to 
access the threads.  If someone can point me in the right direction about how 
to properly use this site I would appreciate it. I'm sure it is somewhere in 
the intro msg but I'm not thinking too clearly.  When I have a sick animal, I 
get very upset.  Anyway, I wanted to throw out what the vet who diagnosed this 
stray kitten using a elise test that was sent to a lab (not done at her office) 
 told me today..  She said she called to find the latest protocols about 
retesting and said that one way is to wait 30 days and repeat the test but the 
other way is to do an IFA now and I would know once and for all if the kitten 
is truely positive. I questioned her about what I was reading on the internet 
about waiting a longer period to see if the
 cat reverts or sheds, but she said this is what she was told is the latest 
protocol.   I did read some of you about your cats coming back negative after 
retesting and this gave me hope.
 
  Mitt (for Mittens) b/c he has them is eating well and his bad breath went 
away I guess from the antibiotics he is on. but tonight I saw he has 
dandruff/scaling in his fur on the outer ear.  Now I fear he does have a 
compromised immune system and a skin disease.  So I am bringing him back to the 
vet on thurs to get this IFA test and for her to look at the skin and tell me 
what it is.   I'm not sure I can handle a chronically ill cat again.  I took 
care of one of my older cats in the final stages of  kidney failure for a year, 
including giving fluids but there was no issue of keeping separate and fear of 
spreading illnesses to my other cats.  My remaining  4 cats were former 
strays/ferals that were over a year old when i took them in. I got them 
sterilized but never kept up on shots and testing  b/c I kept them inside and 
figured since they all lived outside more or less together if they had 
something they all probably had it by then.  I've
 had them all over 11 years.  I have yet to find a really good vet where I 
live. Most just push vaccinations and flea treatments. Most don't deal with 
stray cats. I've been calling around cat rescues and those that take positive 
cats are full and apparently the protocol here is that when they bring in 
strays/ferals to be sterilzied, they give them a SNAP test (is that an elise 
test) and if they test positive, they euthanize them apparently b/c they will 
not return them to the colonies to spread the disease. So most don't have 
experience treating cats with this illness. 
 
Anyway, thanks to anyone who made it thru this msg and has any further comment.

From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: stray kitten positive any advice for me


 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.

From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she w

Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts for testing

[dlgegg]

Good nutrition, paying attention to sniffles, etc and most of all, lotsf love


 Marcia  wrote: 
> I guess the fact of the matter is, is that your kitten can live a very 
> healthy life. If she tests positive, it doesn't necessarily  mean that she 
> will be chronically ill. I really think that good nutrition also plays an 
> enormous role in keeping them healthy. It's a very tough decision.  I feel 
> for you. Best of luck to you and your little one.
> Marcia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, dppl dppl  wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to specific threads, maybe 
> > because I receive a digest instead of each post.  I'm using this site 
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org to 
> > access the threads.  If someone can point me in the right direction about 
> > how to properly use this site I would appreciate it. I'm sure it is 
> > somewhere in the intro msg but I'm not thinking too clearly.  When I have a 
> > sick animal, I get very upset.  Anyway, I wanted to throw out what the vet 
> > who diagnosed this stray kitten using a elise test that was sent to a lab 
> > (not done at her office)  told me today..  She said she called to find the 
> > latest protocols about retesting and said that one way is to wait 30 days 
> > and repeat the test but the other way is to do an IFA now and I would know 
> > once and for all if the kitten is truely positive. I questioned her about 
> > what I was reading on the internet about waiting a longer period to see if 
> > the cat reverts or sheds, but she said this is what she was told is the 
> > latest protocol.   I did read some of you about your cats coming back 
> > negative after retesting and this gave me hope.
> >  
> >   Mitt (for Mittens) b/c he has them is eating well and his bad breath went 
> > away I guess from the antibiotics he is on. but tonight I saw he has 
> > dandruff/scaling in his fur on the outer ear.  Now I fear he does have a 
> > compromised immune system and a skin disease.  So I am bringing him back to 
> > the vet on thurs to get this IFA test and for her to look at the skin and 
> > tell me what it is.   I'm not sure I can handle a chronically ill cat 
> > again.  I took care of one of my older cats in the final stages of  kidney 
> > failure for a year, including giving fluids but there was no issue of 
> > keeping separate and fear of spreading illnesses to my other cats.  My 
> > remaining  4 cats were former strays/ferals that were over a year old when 
> > i took them in. I got them sterilized but never kept up on shots and 
> > testing  b/c I kept them inside and figured since they all lived outside 
> > more or less together if they had something they all probably had it by 
> > then.  I've had them all over 11 years.  I have yet to find a really good 
> > vet where I live. Most just push vaccinations and flea treatments. Most 
> > don't deal with stray cats. I've been calling around cat rescues and those 
> > that take positive cats are full and apparently the protocol here is that 
> > when they bring in strays/ferals to be sterilzied, they give them a SNAP 
> > test (is that an elise test) and if they test positive, they euthanize them 
> > apparently b/c they will not return them to the colonies to spread the 
> > disease. So most don't have experience treating cats with this illness.
> >  
> > Anyway, thanks to anyone who made it thru this msg and has any further 
> > comment.
> > 
> > From: dppl dppl 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: stray kitten positive any advice for me
> > 
> >  
> > thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will 
> > review all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails. 
> >  I see my post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for 
> > your advice.  I guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  
> > advice to get the other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out 
> > negative. I am worried about the redness of his gums which he is on an 
> > antibiotic for. Vet attributed it to gingivitis and teething but this was 
> > pre finding out the positive test results.
> > 
> > From: dppl dppl 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
> > Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me
> > 
> > I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
> > abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
> > have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
> > healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. 
> > Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this 
> > kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would 
> > understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false 
> > pos

Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[dlgegg]

My positives were at least 1 year old when they came to me.  My vet said you 
have a choice, keep them or put them to sleep.  He said he has seen many live 
long and healthy lives and so far mine have.  They share my house with 5 
negatives ranging in age from 1 and 1/2years to 13.  The negatives get their 
vaccinations very year and so far everyone is healthy, happy and sassy.

 Terri Brown  wrote: 
> I always mixed mine.  As long as my negative was vaccinated, I didn't worry.  
> All my FeLV+ babies are gone now, but the negatives are still negative.  It's 
> been over 5 years since we lost our last FeLV+ cat.  Salome' was 9-1/2 when 
> she died in 2005.
> 
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Katie Marie Armijo<mailto:katie.arm...@colorado.edu> 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
>   Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:28 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me
> 
> 
>   My Husband I are in a similar position. We just adopted a kitten from the 
> pound who had been feral before that and she ended up being FeLV+. We have 
> two other cats and they hadn't had any other contact before the positive test 
> and since the test we have continued to keep them separated. Euthanizing was 
> never even an option in our minds. She is such a healthy happy kitten it just 
> didn't make sense. We are currently in the process of vaccinating our other 
> two cats. But despite the vaccination out vet advised not letting them have 
> any contact with the kitten ever. We planned on keeping them in separate 
> rooms forever. Now seeing what John just wrote we wondering how often it is 
> that people interact their FeLV+ cats with non infected cats and never see 
> their other cats get infected.  
> 
> 
>   Good luck with your kitten. She will be a wonderful addition to your 
> family. :) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:02 PM, john pollack wrote:
> 
> 
> If the kitten is healthy, do not put it down. FeLV cats can live good 
> lives. My Tigger is almost 5 now. Had been healthy for the whole time, until 
> last month when he developed stomach cancer. He is still here, doing fine 
> now. Also, have 5 other cats. had them vaccinated, and to this day, none are 
> FeLV+
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com>>
>     To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
> mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me
> 
> 
> I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
> abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
> have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
> healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. 
> Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this 
> kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would 
> understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false 
> positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has 
> hookworms.  When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its 
> vaccinations before waiting for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out 
> postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system.  she said no.  Now when she 
> called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other 
> than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said 
> it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
> sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry 
> I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take 
> care of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind 
> enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it 
> just says "positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts for testing

[Marcia]

I guess the fact of the matter is, is that your kitten can live a very healthy 
life. If she tests positive, it doesn't necessarily  mean that she will be 
chronically ill. I really think that good nutrition also plays an enormous role 
in keeping them healthy. It's a very tough decision.  I feel for you. Best of 
luck to you and your little one.
Marcia

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, dppl dppl  wrote:

> I'm sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to specific threads, maybe 
> because I receive a digest instead of each post.  I'm using this site 
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org to 
> access the threads.  If someone can point me in the right direction about how 
> to properly use this site I would appreciate it. I'm sure it is somewhere in 
> the intro msg but I'm not thinking too clearly.  When I have a sick animal, I 
> get very upset.  Anyway, I wanted to throw out what the vet who diagnosed 
> this stray kitten using a elise test that was sent to a lab (not done at her 
> office)  told me today..  She said she called to find the latest protocols 
> about retesting and said that one way is to wait 30 days and repeat the test 
> but the other way is to do an IFA now and I would know once and for all if 
> the kitten is truely positive. I questioned her about what I was reading on 
> the internet about waiting a longer period to see if the cat reverts or 
> sheds, but she said this is what she was told is the latest protocol.   I did 
> read some of you about your cats coming back negative after retesting and 
> this gave me hope.
>  
>   Mitt (for Mittens) b/c he has them is eating well and his bad breath went 
> away I guess from the antibiotics he is on. but tonight I saw he has 
> dandruff/scaling in his fur on the outer ear.  Now I fear he does have a 
> compromised immune system and a skin disease.  So I am bringing him back to 
> the vet on thurs to get this IFA test and for her to look at the skin and 
> tell me what it is.   I'm not sure I can handle a chronically ill cat again.  
> I took care of one of my older cats in the final stages of  kidney failure 
> for a year, including giving fluids but there was no issue of keeping 
> separate and fear of spreading illnesses to my other cats.  My remaining  4 
> cats were former strays/ferals that were over a year old when i took them in. 
> I got them sterilized but never kept up on shots and testing  b/c I kept them 
> inside and figured since they all lived outside more or less together if they 
> had something they all probably had it by then.  I've had them all over 11 
> years.  I have yet to find a really good vet where I live. Most just push 
> vaccinations and flea treatments. Most don't deal with stray cats. I've been 
> calling around cat rescues and those that take positive cats are full and 
> apparently the protocol here is that when they bring in strays/ferals to be 
> sterilzied, they give them a SNAP test (is that an elise test) and if they 
> test positive, they euthanize them apparently b/c they will not return them 
> to the colonies to spread the disease. So most don't have experience treating 
> cats with this illness.
>  
> Anyway, thanks to anyone who made it thru this msg and has any further 
> comment.
> 
> From: dppl dppl 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: stray kitten positive any advice for me
> 
>  
> thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
> all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see 
> my post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice. 
>  I guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get 
> the other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am 
> worried about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet 
> attributed it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the 
> positive test results.
> 
> From: dppl dppl 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
> Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me
> 
> I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
> abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
> have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
> healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. 
> Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this 
> kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would 
> understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false 
> positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has 
> hookworms.  When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its 
> vaccinations before waiting for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out 
> postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune s

Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts for testing

[dppl dppl]

I'm sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to specific threads, maybe because 
I receive a digest instead of each post.  I'm using this site 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org to 
access the threads.  If someone can point me in the right direction about how 
to properly use this site I would appreciate it. I'm sure it is somewhere in 
the intro msg but I'm not thinking too clearly.  When I have a sick animal, I 
get very upset.  Anyway, I wanted to throw out what the vet who diagnosed this 
stray kitten using a elise test that was sent to a lab (not done at her office) 
 told me today..  She said she called to find the latest protocols about 
retesting and said that one way is to wait 30 days and repeat the test but the 
other way is to do an IFA now and I would know once and for all if the kitten 
is truely positive. I questioned her about what I was reading on the internet 
about waiting a longer period to see if the
 cat reverts or sheds, but she said this is what she was told is the latest 
protocol.   I did read some of you about your cats coming back negative after 
retesting and this gave me hope.
 
  Mitt (for Mittens) b/c he has them is eating well and his bad breath went 
away I guess from the antibiotics he is on. but tonight I saw he has 
dandruff/scaling in his fur on the outer ear.  Now I fear he does have a 
compromised immune system and a skin disease.  So I am bringing him back to the 
vet on thurs to get this IFA test and for her to look at the skin and tell me 
what it is.   I'm not sure I can handle a chronically ill cat again.  I took 
care of one of my older cats in the final stages of  kidney failure for a year, 
including giving fluids but there was no issue of keeping separate and fear of 
spreading illnesses to my other cats.  My remaining  4 cats were former 
strays/ferals that were over a year old when i took them in. I got them 
sterilized but never kept up on shots and testing  b/c I kept them inside and 
figured since they all lived outside more or less together if they had 
something they all probably had it by then.  I've
 had them all over 11 years.  I have yet to find a really good vet where I 
live. Most just push vaccinations and flea treatments. Most don't deal with 
stray cats. I've been calling around cat rescues and those that take positive 
cats are full and apparently the protocol here is that when they bring in 
strays/ferals to be sterilzied, they give them a SNAP test (is that an elise 
test) and if they test positive, they euthanize them apparently b/c they will 
not return them to the colonies to spread the disease. So most don't have 
experience treating cats with this illness. 
 
Anyway, thanks to anyone who made it thru this msg and has any further comment.



From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: stray kitten positive any advice for me


 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.



From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it
 seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind 

Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Jannes Taylor]

Please do not give up hope. Wait the three months and have her tested again. I 
rescued a cat who was approx 3 years old who also tested positive. Three months 
later she tested negative. I also had an IFA test done on her which also came 
out negative. The vet eluded to me having her put to sleep after she tested 
positive but my intuition say no! This was back in March. Today she is a 
healthy, happy, 8 lb cat who bullies the other cats who are twice her 
size.LOL... She is also very loving and such a joy in our lives. They can clear 
this disease from their system or the test could be wrong. Please wait and have 
her tested again.


Jannes 



From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


There are holistic remedies for the gum issues.  That was the only sign Dixie 
showedask questions and seek information.  A lot of emails get chopped 
because they are too long to post---someone else can explain this.    

On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:33 PM, dppl dppl wrote:

 
>thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
>all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
>post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
>guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
>other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
>about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
>it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
>results.
>
>
>
>
>From: dppl dppl 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
>Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me
>
>
>I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
>abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
>have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
>healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
>than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
>In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
>euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
>retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the 
>cat in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
>results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
>immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
>that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
>attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said
 it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough 
to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says 
"positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Marcia]

My cat Fletch was with 3 other adult cats for a year. They had never been 
vaccinated for felv and the bet said that Fletch was born with it. So they were 
exposed unknowingly for a full year, and they all tested negative.   So I 
believe like everyone else here, it's not spread as easily as everyone thinks,  
bless you for taking care of this little life(-:

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2011, at 5:52 PM, dppl dppl  wrote:

> I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
> abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
> have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
> healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. 
> Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this 
> kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would 
> understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false 
> positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has 
> hookworms.  When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its 
> vaccinations before waiting for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out 
> postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system.  she said no.  Now when she 
> called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other 
> than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said 
> it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
> sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry 
> I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take 
> care of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind 
> enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it 
> just says "positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Terri Brown]

I always mixed mine.  As long as my negative was vaccinated, I didn't worry.  
All my FeLV+ babies are gone now, but the negatives are still negative.  It's 
been over 5 years since we lost our last FeLV+ cat.  Salome' was 9-1/2 when she 
died in 2005.

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furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Katie Marie Armijo<mailto:katie.arm...@colorado.edu> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


  My Husband I are in a similar position. We just adopted a kitten from the 
pound who had been feral before that and she ended up being FeLV+. We have two 
other cats and they hadn't had any other contact before the positive test and 
since the test we have continued to keep them separated. Euthanizing was never 
even an option in our minds. She is such a healthy happy kitten it just didn't 
make sense. We are currently in the process of vaccinating our other two cats. 
But despite the vaccination out vet advised not letting them have any contact 
with the kitten ever. We planned on keeping them in separate rooms forever. Now 
seeing what John just wrote we wondering how often it is that people interact 
their FeLV+ cats with non infected cats and never see their other cats get 
infected.  


  Good luck with your kitten. She will be a wonderful addition to your family. 
:) 




  On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:02 PM, john pollack wrote:


If the kitten is healthy, do not put it down. FeLV cats can live good 
lives. My Tigger is almost 5 now. Had been healthy for the whole time, until 
last month when he developed stomach cancer. He is still here, doing fine now. 
Also, have 5 other cats. had them vaccinated, and to this day, none are FeLV+




From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com>>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
    Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy.  It does 
seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and 
intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read 
all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly 
mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? 
Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says "positive" the vet 
estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[D.S.Louis]

I too got a 'Positive" kitty from the pound.have had her 3 yrsmy other 
cat has been with all everyday (got him vacinated)...BOTH are greatand 
healthy

"A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS."



From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


 
Like everyone else has said, ALWAYS ALWAYS re-test.  Never rely on one positive 
ELISA test.  It can show a false positive but even if it's not a false positive 
it is possible the cat can extinguish, meaning totally get rid of, the virus.  
I would do an IFA test like someone else mentioned.  It looks to see if the 
virus has spread into the white blood cells.  If the IFA is negative the cat 
can still kick the virus so you would need to wait and re-test.  Also, the cat 
could put the virus into dormancy, which means it may  not ever have problems 
with the virus and it can't spread it.
 
Lots of people on the site have mixed positives and negatives.  I have a friend 
with lots of rescued cats.  She has 3 positive cats.  She has all her negative 
cats vaccinated against FeLV and over the years none have ever caught FeLV.  
She even has FIV positive cats that get vaccinated and have never caught the 
FeLV virus.  No vaccinations are 100% but it would seem that in most cases it 
works.  Another vet I talked with said that most researchers now feel that even 
non-vaccinated healthy adult cats are resistant to the FeLV virus.  So even if 
you don't vaccinate it's possible the other cats wouldn't catch the virus.  
That happened in my house.  No cats in my house caught the virus from one who 
had it (her first test was negative so I didn't know I had a FeLV cat mixed in 
until she died and we did the necropsy and another ELISA).  None of my cats 
were vaccinated against FeLV but somehow none of them caught it.  In your case 
though, I
 wouldn't take the chance and would vaccinate the other cats but it's just 
interesting that it's not spread as easy as many people believe.
 
 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:33:50 -0800
From: dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


  
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results. 
 


From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it
 seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough 
to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says 
"positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Maureen Olvey]

Like everyone else has said, ALWAYS ALWAYS re-test.  Never rely on one positive 
ELISA test.  It can show a false positive but even if it's not a false positive 
it is possible the cat can extinguish, meaning totally get rid of, the virus.  
I would do an IFA test like someone else mentioned.  It looks to see if the 
virus has spread into the white blood cells.  If the IFA is negative the cat 
can still kick the virus so you would need to wait and re-test.  Also, the cat 
could put the virus into dormancy, which means it may  not ever have problems 
with the virus and it can't spread it.
 
Lots of people on the site have mixed positives and negatives.  I have a friend 
with lots of rescued cats.  She has 3 positive cats.  She has all her negative 
cats vaccinated against FeLV and over the years none have ever caught FeLV.  
She even has FIV positive cats that get vaccinated and have never caught the 
FeLV virus.  No vaccinations are 100% but it would seem that in most cases it 
works.  Another vet I talked with said that most researchers now feel that even 
non-vaccinated healthy adult cats are resistant to the FeLV virus.  So even if 
you don't vaccinate it's possible the other cats wouldn't catch the virus.  
That happened in my house.  No cats in my house caught the virus from one who 
had it (her first test was negative so I didn't know I had a FeLV cat mixed in 
until she died and we did the necropsy and another ELISA).  None of my cats 
were vaccinated against FeLV but somehow none of them caught it.  In your case 
though, I wouldn't take the chance and would vaccinate the other cats but it's 
just interesting that it's not spread as easy as many people believe.
 
 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:33:50 -0800
From: dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me



 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.




From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me





I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy.  It does 
seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and 
intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read 
all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly 
mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? 
Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says "positive" the vet 
estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Lynda Wilson]

This kitty still has a good chance of clearing the virus. I would retest again 
in 30 to 90 days. If it is positive again, then do an IFA test.  I would not 
worry at all that it has casual contact with your other cats.  In order for 
your other cats to contract FeLV, they would have to groom each other, share 
litter boxes, drink after one another or bite each other. Even then most cats 
do not contract it. I would just get your other cats the FeLV vaccination, must 
be 2 shots, 3 weeks apart.

As far as hook worms, there is a chance of your other cats contracting it. 
Those worms from what I understand goes through the toes of the cats so where 
that cat walked,  it could infect any of your cats that walked in the same 
place.

Keep the faith and keep us posted.  I hope this helps.  Also, you probably need 
to change vets, FeLV is not a death sentence. Many cats live healthy lives with 
it.  It deserves a chance.

Lynda
  - Original Message - 
  From: dppl dppl 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:52 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


  I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy.  It does 
seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and 
intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read 
all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly 
mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? 
Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says "positive" the vet 
estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.


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[ccarlsberg]

What are some of these holistic remedies for gum issues? Tweetys gums as pretty 
bad and they want to pull out 3 of his teeth. :( I'm terribly nervous about 
that surgery. He is 9. 
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[MaiMaiPG]

There are holistic remedies for the gum issues.  That was the only  
sign Dixie showedask questions and seek information.  A lot of  
emails get chopped because they are too long to post---someone else  
can explain this.

On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:33 PM, dppl dppl wrote:



thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I  
will review all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending  
these emails.  I see my post  is all chopped up (at least in my  
display ). Thanks for your advice.  I guess i will take things day  
by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the other test as a  
follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried about  
the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet  
attributed it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding  
out the positive test results.


From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me

I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that  
the abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to  
the vet,  I have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that  
since it seemed so healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4  
cats over 12 years old. Other than walking on the same floors, they  
have not had contact with this kitten.  In our short phone call, the  
vet basically said that she would understand if I euthanized the cat  
and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether retesting  
would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the  
cat in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting  
for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't  
this harm its immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she  
said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other  
than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath,  
she said it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and  
plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am  
heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read all  
archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden  
elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to  
give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it  
just says "positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.



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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[dppl dppl]

 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.



From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it
 seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough 
to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Christiane Biagi]

You've come to the right place!  Many of us do mix pos w. neg-my own pos is
13+ years old & I got her as a kitten.  She tested neg as a very young
kitten but then tested pos years later.  By that point, she'd been around my
other cats so I just decided to vaccinate them for felv and mix.  Nobody has
ever tested pos.  I also took in an older stray who (to my surprise) also
tested pos.  He lived a number of years w. all the other cats & died last
year from lymphoma-something the pos cats are more susceptible to.

 

But mixing is a personal decision.  Personally, I wouldn't think twice about
it.  Now as far as kitty, I would wait a few weeks & get it retested with
the IFA (blood drawn & sent to lab.  There is always the risk that the
Elissa (snap test done in office) could be a false pos or that kitty could
throw off the virus.  Remember that the virus does not actually kill the
kitty-but it weakens their immune system & they can be more susceptible to
uri, lymphoma, anemia, gum problems.  But my Tucson is a fat 16 lbs and
doing fine!  

 

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

 

I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old.
Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this
kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would
understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false
positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has
hookworms.  When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its
vaccinations before waiting for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out
postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system.  she said no.  Now when she
called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other
than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she
said it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is
the sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm
sorry I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also
take care of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would
be kind enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was
elisa and it just says "positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6
months old.

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Katie Marie Armijo]

My Husband I are in a similar position. We just adopted a kitten from the pound 
who had been feral before that and she ended up being FeLV+. We have two other 
cats and they hadn't had any other contact before the positive test and since 
the test we have continued to keep them separated. Euthanizing was never even 
an option in our minds. She is such a healthy happy kitten it just didn't make 
sense. We are currently in the process of vaccinating our other two cats. But 
despite the vaccination out vet advised not letting them have any contact with 
the kitten ever. We planned on keeping them in separate rooms forever. Now 
seeing what John just wrote we wondering how often it is that people interact 
their FeLV+ cats with non infected cats and never see their other cats get 
infected. 

Good luck with your kitten. She will be a wonderful addition to your family. :) 


On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:02 PM, john pollack wrote:

> If the kitten is healthy, do not put it down. FeLV cats can live good lives. 
> My Tigger is almost 5 now. Had been healthy for the whole time, until last 
> month when he developed stomach cancer. He is still here, doing fine now. 
> Also, have 5 other cats. had them vaccinated, and to this day, none are FeLV+
> 
> From: dppl dppl 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me
> 
> I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
> abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
> have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
> healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. 
> Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this 
> kitten.  In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would 
> understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false 
> positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has 
> hookworms.  When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its 
> vaccinations before waiting for test results.  I asked if the cat turned out 
> postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system.  she said no.  Now when she 
> called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other 
> than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said 
> it seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
> sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry 
> I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take 
> care of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind 
> enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it 
> just says "positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[john pollack]

If the kitten is healthy, do not put it down. FeLV cats can live good lives. My 
Tigger is almost 5 now. Had been healthy for the whole time, until last month 
when he developed stomach cancer. He is still here, doing fine now. Also, have 
5 other cats. had them vaccinated, and to this day, none are FeLV+



From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it
 seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough 
to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says 
"positive" the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.
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[Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[dppl dppl]

I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it
 seemed healthy.  It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the 
sweetest cat, loving and intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I 
haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care 
of my bedridden elderly mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough 
to give me some advice? Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Lewis Faye]

I second Lorrie's advice. I now have a mama with 3 kittensthat were unusually 
large when born.  My vet said that as long as they weren't crying for more than 
a few minutes, they were well-fed. 

I suggest some plain yogurt and kitten food for the mother.  

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Lorrie  wrote:

From: Lorrie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:04 PM

If the babies are fat, and healthy looking and not crying. They
are fine.  Hungry kittens will cry, and if these kittens were 
born April 1st, they will keep mom cat drained of milk as fast
as she makes it.

Lorrie


On 04-16, sheila...@aol.com wrote: Hello all . I haven't posted in a
> while but have been reading everyday.  All of my positives are
> healthy and happy, but on April fools day I had a stray cat come to
> my front door . I brought her in fed her and two hours later she
> gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. When I was petting
> the momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it feels like she
> has no milk in her breast. The kittens are fat little butterballs
> and are not crying from hunger. Is this normal or should I be
> concerned. My vet is closed on Thursday and the next vet is fifty
> miles away.  I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to be a nervous
> nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as fast as she makes
> it.
>  
> Sheila in SC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Lorrie]

If the babies are fat, and healthy looking and not crying. They
are fine.  Hungry kittens will cry, and if these kittens were 
born April 1st, they will keep mom cat drained of milk as fast
as she makes it.

Lorrie


On 04-16, sheila...@aol.com wrote: Hello all . I haven't posted in a
> while but have been reading everyday.  All of my positives are
> healthy and happy, but on April fools day I had a stray cat come to
> my front door . I brought her in fed her and two hours later she
> gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. When I was petting
> the momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it feels like she
> has no milk in her breast. The kittens are fat little butterballs
> and are not crying from hunger. Is this normal or should I be
> concerned. My vet is closed on Thursday and the next vet is fifty
> miles away.  I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to be a nervous
> nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as fast as she makes
> it.
>  
> Sheila in SC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Debbie Harrison]

Also, just to add to the good advice, I offer dry and wet food at all times

Debbie (COL)
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> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:34:02 -0700
> From: sin...@sbcglobal.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray
> 
> For right now I would say this is normal, the kittens have drained their 
> mother of the current supply of milk. 
> 
> Put the mother cat on a Premium Kitten Food, Royal Canin Baby Cat is what I 
> have used in the past. Make sure the mother cat has plenty of water to drink. 
> If she will drink it give her a saucer of KMR, to help here gain what she 
> needs to feed her kittens.
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "sheila...@aol.com" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:29:45 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray
> 
> Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading everyday. 
> All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I had a 
> stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and two hours 
> later 
> she gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. When I was petting the 
> momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it feels like she has no milk 
> in her breast. The kittens are fat little butterballs and are not crying 
> from hunger. Is this normal or should I be concerned. My vet is closed on 
> Thursday and the next vet is fifty miles away. I'm not sure what to do. I 
> don't 
> want to be a nervous nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as 
> fast as she makes it. 
> 
> Sheila in SC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Samuel Thomas]

For right now I would say this is normal, the kittens have drained their mother 
of the current supply of milk. 

Put the mother cat on a Premium Kitten Food, Royal Canin Baby Cat is what I 
have used in the past. Make sure the mother cat has plenty of water to drink. 
If she will drink it give her a saucer of KMR, to help here gain what she needs 
to feed her kittens.

Sam





From: "sheila...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:29:45 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray

Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading  everyday. 
All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I  had a 
stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and  two hours later 
she gave birth to three beautiful healthy  kittens. When I was petting the 
momma this morning I rubbed her  stomach and it feels like she has no milk 
in her breast. The kittens are fat  little butterballs and are not crying 
from hunger. Is this normal or should I be  concerned. My vet is closed on 
Thursday and the next vet is fifty miles away.  I'm not sure what to do. I 
don't 
want to be a nervous nelly if the babies are  just drinking the milk as 
fast as she makes it.  

Sheila in SC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I have heard that you can give quick nourishment to a newborn by putting a
little corn syrup on its gums -- not sure if this is appropriate to this
situation, but the idea is that it absorbs into the system without the kib
having to expend energy digesting it.  If it turns out there is some
problem, this could buy a little time while you figure somethinge else out.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray


If the babies aren't crying like they are in distress, and they are moving
about with a normal amount of energy, then give momma another day or
socolostrum comes in prior to the milkand it is all they need until
then.  IF you are truly worried, you could offer them a teeny bit of KMR
from a syringe...just be careful that they don't aspirate it.

I am fostering a feral momma and babies right nowduring a very
protracted birthing time (which finally meant a trip to an emergency vet and
a shot of pitocin), I took the firstborn and gave it a supplemental
nursing...just to get it settled down so momma could birth it's siblings!
It sounds like you are doing an outstanding job...trust your instincts.

Debbie (COL)
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> From: sheila...@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:29:45 -0400
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray
> 
> Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading everyday. 
> All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I 
> had a stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and 
> two hours later she gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. 
> When I was petting the momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it 
> feels like she has no milk in her breast. The kittens are fat little 
> butterballs and are not crying from hunger. Is this normal or should I 
> be concerned. My vet is closed on Thursday and the next vet is fifty 
> miles away. I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to be a nervous 
> nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as fast as she makes it.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray

[Debbie Harrison]

If the babies aren't crying like they are in distress, and they are moving 
about with a normal amount of energy, then give momma another day or 
socolostrum comes in prior to the milkand it is all they need until 
then.  IF you are truly worried, you could offer them a teeny bit of KMR from a 
syringe...just be careful that they don't aspirate it.

I am fostering a feral momma and babies right nowduring a very protracted 
birthing time (which finally meant a trip to an emergency vet and a shot of 
pitocin), I took the firstborn and gave it a supplemental nursing...just to get 
it settled down so momma could birth it's siblings!  It sounds like you are 
doing an outstanding job...trust your instincts.

Debbie (COL)
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> From: sheila...@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:29:45 -0400
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray
> 
> Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading everyday. 
> All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I had a 
> stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and two hours 
> later 
> she gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. When I was petting the 
> momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it feels like she has no milk 
> in her breast. The kittens are fat little butterballs and are not crying 
> from hunger. Is this normal or should I be concerned. My vet is closed on 
> Thursday and the next vet is fifty miles away. I'm not sure what to do. I 
> don't 
> want to be a nervous nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as 
> fast as she makes it. 
> 
> Sheila in SC
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[Sheila208]

Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading  everyday. 
All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I  had a 
stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and  two hours later 
she gave birth to three beautiful healthy  kittens. When I was petting the 
momma this morning I rubbed her  stomach and it feels like she has no milk 
in her breast. The kittens are fat  little butterballs and are not crying 
from hunger. Is this normal or should I be  concerned. My vet is closed on 
Thursday and the next vet is fifty miles away.  I'm not sure what to do. I 
don't 
want to be a nervous nelly if the babies are  just drinking the milk as 
fast as she makes it.   
 
Sheila in SC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

let's see if anyone wants to fight me about my opinions, first, then ask
again!

(but you're right, it's the education part that's so vital. i remember
when i had all my cats tested, because a recent former housemate, tested
negative at the shelter, had died from complications of the virus my vet
told me that i didn't need to retest--they were all negative--until/unless
someone showed symptoms. that was in 2000. they haven't, and i haven't.)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

MC, do you mind if I pass this along to my neighborhood association website?  
There's a lot of fear out there.  When I brought the kittens home, I chose to 
stop crying, get educated, and move on.  I would like others to benefit from 
your post.


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:42 PM
> see, i would say keep them together, because they've
> probably already been
> as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative,
> it means their
> exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the
> neighborhood nursemaid. we
> don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens
> who don't get it from
> their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was
> positive in early
> pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant,
> or if she DID do
> that, if maybe she passed some of her
> strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on
> to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very
> good sign for the
> strength of the genetic side of things. and with four
> negatives already,
> you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure
> curve on that
> one
> 
> (yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only
> 30% of cats who
> test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are
> really negative
> don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close
> proximity with other
> cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the
> CONTAGION element of this
> virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated?
> that's a
> different story altogether.
> 
> MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

see, i would say keep them together, because they've probably already been
as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative, it means their
exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the neighborhood nursemaid. we
don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens who don't get it from
their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was positive in early
pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant, or if she DID do
that, if maybe she passed some of her strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on
to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very good sign for the
strength of the genetic side of things. and with four negatives already,
you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure curve on that
one

(yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only 30% of cats who
test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are really negative
don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close proximity with other
cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the CONTAGION element of this
virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated? that's a
different story altogether.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

My vet said to keep them together, that's what I did.  I kinda figured they 
should be separate, but my vet doesn't seem real concerned since Mom tested 
negative.  The way she put it was that right now, anyway, we have 4 negatives 
and a positive.  Apparently, because they are only 8 weeks old, if mom is 
indeed negative, they would have been exposed at about 3-4 weeks old and it 
would be unlikely that mom would have let any other cats that close to them.  
(this is a litter I found in my alley)

Any thoughts?

"--- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:51 PM
> my opinion would be leave them together. they've already
> been together.  the ones that are negative may have been
> positive and fought it off.  if so they are probably now
> immune.
>   t
> 
> Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   My two cents... even though they were all exposed
> equally. I would keep them
> apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur.
> So even though
> they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get
> to the point
> where the negative kitens are still negative after a few
> months and have had
> their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I
> would separate.
> IMHO
> 
> Sally(in VA)
> 
> 
> On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote:
> >
> > Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens
> up tonight and after
> > I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can
> the other kittens be
> > with her? Even though they tested negative, is the
> Humane Society worried
> > that the others will eventually test positive? I
> don't understand any of
> > this!
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
> tests positive
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> > > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a
> positive cat. See
> > > Jean Dodds'
> > > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here.
> (The
> > > paragraph below is taken
> > > from the website.) Kerry M.
> > >
> > > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> > >
> > > >>>All packages of vaccinations carry
> warnings
> > > that they should be
> > > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of
> cats,
> > > vaccine
> > > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant
> or
> > > nursing cats.
> > > However, many pets are not healthy when
> vaccinated although
> > > they might
> > > not have outward signs of health problems.
> Charles Loops,
> > > DVM, a
> > > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North
> Carolina, notes
> > > that
> > > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are
> injected
> > > directly into the
> > > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> > > infection." (7) This causes
> > > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight
> off the
> > > offending virus
> > > molecules and render them harmless. If the
> animal's
> > > immune system is too
> > > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these
> viruses and can
> > > develop a
> > > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a
> virus that
> > > is
> > > introduced through a vaccination may be too much
> for sick
> > > animals to
> > > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very
> disease to
> > > which they
> > > have been vaccinated.<<<
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > > SALLY
> > > NORDSTROM
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
> tests
> > > positive
> > >
> > > Another question. My kittens tested positive with
> the
> > > ELISA test. May
> > > they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday.
> If
> > > positive, may she
> > > have her vaccines? May she be spayed?
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[catatonya]

my opinion would be leave them together. they've already been together.  the 
ones that are negative may have been positive and fought it off.  if so they 
are probably now immune.
  t

Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My two cents... even though they were all exposed equally. I would keep them
apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur. So even though
they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get to the point
where the negative kitens are still negative after a few months and have had
their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I would separate.
IMHO

Sally(in VA)


On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote:
>
> Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens up tonight and after
> I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can the other kittens be
> with her? Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried
> that the others will eventually test positive? I don't understand any of
> this!
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> wrote:
>
> > From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
> > Jean Dodds'
> > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
> > paragraph below is taken
> > from the website.) Kerry M.
> >
> > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> >
> > >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
> > that they should be
> > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
> > vaccine
> > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
> > nursing cats.
> > However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
> > they might
> > not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
> > DVM, a
> > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
> > that
> > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
> > directly into the
> > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> > infection." (7) This causes
> > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
> > offending virus
> > molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
> > immune system is too
> > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
> > develop a
> > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
> > is
> > introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
> > animals to
> > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
> > which they
> > have been vaccinated.<<<
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > SALLY
> > NORDSTROM
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
> > positive
> >
> > Another question. My kittens tested positive with the
> > ELISA test. May
> > they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday. If
> > positive, may she
> > have her vaccines? May she be spayed?
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[dlgegg]

when you get info on these courses, let me know, would like to try them myself. 
 only was to arm yourself is to learn what you are up against.  dorlis
 MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> i just reread this--a bone marrow BIOPSY?? and actually, i'd like to see
> where something has said that an ELISA can tell what stage of FeLV the kitty
> is in. since all it tests for is ANTIGENS, not even antibodies, an ELISA
> shouldn't be able to tell anything about whether or not the cat is even
> infected!
> 
> this is why it's so confusing. the PROFESSIONALS don't understand the
> mechanisms, and so we're left to muddle through.
> 
> i DO know, from a veterinarian's blog, that doing ELISA's wrong (like not
> snapping them on a horizontal surface, not checking them EXACTLY at the
> right time, etc) are one of the self-reported top-ten mistakes that vets
> make. (it's from a vet's blog; if you go to petconnection.com, i think that
> christy has a link to the blog.. argh.)
> 
> i was just told that are some good on-line courses in immunology and
> virology, and when i get moved and settled, i am GOING to take one so that i
> know more of what i'm talking about.
> 
> MC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Brenda Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood
> > for some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few
> > months before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very
> > sick with an upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because
> > the mucous that was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was
> > having a hard time breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very
> > sick kitty, he was close to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent
> > us home. I was to follow up with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish
> > his course of antibiotics, and days after I went on a family vacation for 10
> > days. My pet sitter stopped by daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs.
> > I received a call from the pet sitter stating she was sorry but the cat
> > (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was taking the dogs out. I told her not
> > to worry just try calling him and he should come back. Well that went
> >  on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was
> > worried about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around
> > the neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had
> > passed one morning while I was heading out the door to work, he was sitting
> > at my back door. I was happy to see him, but was concerned because it seemed
> > his upper respiratory infection was back. I brought him in the house, feed
> > and watered him and off to work I went. I called my Vet who was booked for
> > the weekend and couldn't see him until Monday. I was too concerned to wait
> > so I figured it would be best to see a different Vet. Well Mr. Houdini as I
> > like to call him (Spazzy) had gotten out. I was heartbroken and worried
> > because he was sick . I again searched the neighborhood for him but had no
> > luck at finding him. About a week had passed and I spotted him while I was
> > walking my dogs. I was able to grab him, brought him back home and
> >  called the Vet. I took him in the following morning but seen a different
> > Vet at the practice. Dr. McGinn had said he was sick but she wanted to check
> > for Feline Leukemia because where he was treated not that long ago chances
> > are he probably did have it. Not too mention he also had ulcers in his mouth
> > which she stated is common for cats with feline L. Well those 10 minutes
> > were very long just waiting, I hoped and prayed it was negative but it
> > turned out he was positive. He was seen 10/13/08 was treated with Amoxi
> > drops, twice a day until gone. Initially he seemed to be getting better, but
> > a week and a half after I noticed he was sneezing but this time no mucous
> > was visible just blood. I called the Vet's office once they opened, I had
> > explained what was going on and was told Dr. McGinn would call me back by
> > the end of the day. She did return my call and said she's changing his
> > antibiotic to something stronger. She put him on Clavimox drops twice a day
> >  until gone. She also stated there are new meds for cats with feline L. but
> > she would need to research it more before she would start using it at her
> > practice. Have any of you heard of or maybe your cat is currently using this
> > new medication? I guess it helps build the immune system.  He started the
> > Clavimox drop Saturday 10/26/08 and he seems to be doing better now, no
> > drainage from his eyes, no sneezing blood, but still sounds very stuffy.
> > Have any of you experienced these types of symptoms with your cats? He's
> > gaining weight and thriving but from my understanding they can take a turn
> > for the worse

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

It's a personal decision, Brenda, but ultimately you need to have a vet you 
trust and have confidence in. 
>From what you've said about this vet, she doesn't meet the standard. Also, run 
>as fast as you can from any vet whose first suggestion on hearing "FeLV" is 
>euthanization. 

My vet had only ever dealt with one FeLV cat in the past (and I think the owner 
wanted euthanization--I can't be sure); but he jumped into top gear when he 
realized that I wanted to do everything I could to help my sick FeLV cat. He 
quickly did his research, and also asked me to send any new info I found on the 
felv website! 

Another vet in the same clinic--I couldn't always see my vet in an 
emergency--was cut from the same cloth, and although e.g. she had never used 
immunoregulin, she was keen to learn about it and work with me to try to save 
one of mine who had become symptomatic (non-regenerative anemia, in this 
case--there are several ways in which FeLV cats typically succumb. 

So you need someone who demonstrates that s/he's both highly competent and 
enthusiastic about working with you to do the best for Spazzy.

I would not worry about checking blood counts as a matter of course. The 
important thing is to be on the lookout for abnormal behavior. For example, if 
Spazzy were to stop eating. Or begin eating his litter (a sign of anemia). Or 
become withdrawn---hiding, or turning his back on the room for prolonged 
periods. Or no longer interested in playing.
Cats sleep a lot anyway---has he begun sleeping for an abnormal amount of time?

What exactly makes you think he's not feeling well--can you be specific?

Keep giving him those cuddles!

Kerry 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Kerry,

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  I appreciate your kind words and input I now feel hopeful! 
I will try the Vita- Mineral mix recipe. I don't believe Spazzy has cancer 
although the Vet hasn't done any further testing. That was one of my first 
questions to the Vet ...isn't this like cancer? And she said no it's like AIDS 
in a person, it weakens the immune system. She said it's not the disease that 
will kill him it will be the leukemia. I agree with you, I  feel at this point 
it would be worth looking for a  new Vet for Spazzy one who is familiar with 
feline leukemia. Do you think I should call around and ask how familiar they 
are or how many cats they treat yearly with this immune deficiency? I will try 
my best to make him as happy as I possibly can, he does seem happy to be loved, 
and in a warm home not too mention, but I notice he sleeps allot. Is this 
common? I'm sure he's not feeling very well either. I'm sorry you've lost 
kitty's to this , my condolenses.
 Should he be checked every so often for blood counts?





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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 Glad you're back MC!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

i respectfully disagree.

asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat
household
will gell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal
cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary
settings,
FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health.
since
FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and
other
manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously
immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle,
all
the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the
onslaughts
of new infections.

this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes
ill, why doesn't the other, "sick" cat, immediately succumb? this is
another
misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to
keep up
on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients.

let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of
panleukopenia,
you won't ever want it to happen again.

there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly
been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our
over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all.

a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV,
but
an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying
that
all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes
virus
just waiting to break out into herpes.

MC
(haven't you missed me?)


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean
Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is
taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
>
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
>
> >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This
causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is
too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
> NORDSTROM
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
>
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.
May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may
she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
>
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Brenda Waterson]

Kerry,

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  I appreciate your kind words and input I now feel hopeful! 
I will try the Vita- Mineral mix recipe. I don't believe Spazzy has cancer 
although the Vet hasn't done any further testing. That was one of my first 
questions to the Vet ...isn't this like cancer? And she said no it's like AIDS 
in a person, it weakens the immune system. She said it's not the disease that 
will kill him it will be the leukemia. I agree with you, I  feel at this point 
it would be worth looking for a  new Vet for Spazzy one who is familiar with 
feline leukemia. Do you think I should call around and ask how familiar they 
are or how many cats they treat yearly with this immune deficiency? I will try 
my best to make him as happy as I possibly can, he does seem happy to be loved, 
and in a warm home not too mention, but I notice he sleeps allot. Is this 
common? I'm sure he's not feeling very well either. I'm sorry you've lost 
kitty's to this , my condolenses.
 Should he be checked every so often for blood counts?





From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:16:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Brenda,
You're an angel for opening your heart and home to Spazzy. Thank you on behalf 
of all homeless kitties, and particularly FeLV kitts..
You've come to the right place for info. 
My first advice would be to find an informed, FeLV-competent vet. While your 
vet sounds nice, nice won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV.  And 
it's evident from your email that you are better informed than your 
vet---definitely do not allow her to vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy 
indoors. It stops him from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into 
contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
As you already learned, the most important goal is to do everything possible to 
help his immune system. In my opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, 
playing, eating, enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him 
continue to do so.
To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can afford--ideally, one 
without by-products, additives or preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams 
didn't measure up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food 
morning and night.. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's vita-mineral-mix recipe 
twice a day. (See recipe below.) Wholefoods or a health store should have all 
the ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you going for 
weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment as you can---lots of 
attention, cuddles and care goes a long way to boosting the immune system.
Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats is now negative. (The 
others succumbed around the age of 2.)
The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out if the FeLV is in 
the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow, the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be 
thrown off.
Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline interferon? Immunoregulin?

Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.

Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:

1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:

1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional yeast or tarula). (I use 
nutritional yeast.)

1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder (I found kelp first, 
so I use that)

1 cup lecithin granules

2 cups wheat bran

2 cups bonemeal.

Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New Natural Cat--A Complete 
Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia 
section on pages 326/327):

"When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes into contact with a 
negative cat--one not carrying the virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 

*not become affected in any way; 
*become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert again to being 
negative; 
*become positive, but not become ill and remain positive--thus becoming a new 
carrier of the virus; 
*become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or other cancer; or 
*become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much like flu; and then 
recover and remain positive or become negative. 

A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested again in three 
months. If he has been treated by an experienced veterinary homeopath and put 
on a high-quality diet designed to build general health and strengthen the 
immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted to negative. "(my 
emphasis)

You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for loving and looking out 
for Snazzy.
Kerry M.





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleuke

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

i just reread this--a bone marrow BIOPSY?? and actually, i'd like to see
where something has said that an ELISA can tell what stage of FeLV the kitty
is in. since all it tests for is ANTIGENS, not even antibodies, an ELISA
shouldn't be able to tell anything about whether or not the cat is even
infected!

this is why it's so confusing. the PROFESSIONALS don't understand the
mechanisms, and so we're left to muddle through.

i DO know, from a veterinarian's blog, that doing ELISA's wrong (like not
snapping them on a horizontal surface, not checking them EXACTLY at the
right time, etc) are one of the self-reported top-ten mistakes that vets
make. (it's from a vet's blog; if you go to petconnection.com, i think that
christy has a link to the blog.. argh.)

i was just told that are some good on-line courses in immunology and
virology, and when i get moved and settled, i am GOING to take one so that i
know more of what i'm talking about.

MC


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Brenda Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood
> for some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few
> months before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very
> sick with an upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because
> the mucous that was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was
> having a hard time breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very
> sick kitty, he was close to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent
> us home. I was to follow up with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish
> his course of antibiotics, and days after I went on a family vacation for 10
> days. My pet sitter stopped by daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs.
> I received a call from the pet sitter stating she was sorry but the cat
> (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was taking the dogs out. I told her not
> to worry just try calling him and he should come back. Well that went
>  on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was
> worried about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around
> the neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had
> passed one morning while I was heading out the door to work, he was sitting
> at my back door. I was happy to see him, but was concerned because it seemed
> his upper respiratory infection was back. I brought him in the house, feed
> and watered him and off to work I went. I called my Vet who was booked for
> the weekend and couldn't see him until Monday. I was too concerned to wait
> so I figured it would be best to see a different Vet. Well Mr. Houdini as I
> like to call him (Spazzy) had gotten out. I was heartbroken and worried
> because he was sick . I again searched the neighborhood for him but had no
> luck at finding him. About a week had passed and I spotted him while I was
> walking my dogs. I was able to grab him, brought him back home and
>  called the Vet. I took him in the following morning but seen a different
> Vet at the practice. Dr. McGinn had said he was sick but she wanted to check
> for Feline Leukemia because where he was treated not that long ago chances
> are he probably did have it. Not too mention he also had ulcers in his mouth
> which she stated is common for cats with feline L. Well those 10 minutes
> were very long just waiting, I hoped and prayed it was negative but it
> turned out he was positive. He was seen 10/13/08 was treated with Amoxi
> drops, twice a day until gone. Initially he seemed to be getting better, but
> a week and a half after I noticed he was sneezing but this time no mucous
> was visible just blood. I called the Vet's office once they opened, I had
> explained what was going on and was told Dr. McGinn would call me back by
> the end of the day. She did return my call and said she's changing his
> antibiotic to something stronger. She put him on Clavimox drops twice a day
>  until gone. She also stated there are new meds for cats with feline L. but
> she would need to research it more before she would start using it at her
> practice. Have any of you heard of or maybe your cat is currently using this
> new medication? I guess it helps build the immune system.  He started the
> Clavimox drop Saturday 10/26/08 and he seems to be doing better now, no
> drainage from his eyes, no sneezing blood, but still sounds very stuffy.
> Have any of you experienced these types of symptoms with your cats? He's
> gaining weight and thriving but from my understanding they can take a turn
> for the worse at any given time. Also once he's better she wants him to get
> his vaccines, however with a compromised immune system will the vaccine's
> harm him? Dr. McGinn seems to be a very caring Vet, but she doesn't seem to
> know too much about Feline L. I have done some research on the Internet and
> found that the Elisa test can sometimes produce a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Sharyl]

Right or wrong I got the rabies vaccine for the presumed FeLV+ feral I TNR'd.  
I am raising her litter of 4.  All tested positive once,  All were de-wormed, 
received both distemper combo vaccines and their rabies shot.  All four are fat 
and happy.
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:58 PM

Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May they
have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she have her
vaccines?  May she be spayed?


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:16 PM
> Brenda,
> You're an angel for opening your heart and home to
> Spazzy. Thank you on behalf of all homeless kitties, and
> particularly FeLV kitts.
> You've come to the right place for info. 
> My first advice would be to find an informed,
> FeLV-competent vet. While your vet sounds nice, nice
> won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV. 
> And it's evident from your email that you are better
> informed than your vet---definitely do not allow her to
> vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy indoors. It stops him
> from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into
> contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
> As you already learned, the most important goal is to do
> everything possible to help his immune system. In my
> opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, playing, eating,
> enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him
> continue to do so.
> To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can
> afford--ideally, one without by-products, additives or
> preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams didn't measure
> up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food
> morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's
> vita-mineral-mix recipe twice a day. (See recipe below.)
> Wholefoods or a health store should have all the
> ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you
> going for weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment
> as you can---lots of attention, cuddles and care goes a long
> way to boosting the immune system.
> Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats
> is now negative. (The others succumbed around the age of 2.)
> The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out
> if the FeLV is in the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow,
> the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be thrown off.
> Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline
> interferon? Immunoregulin?
> 
> Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.
>  
> Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:
> 
> 1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:
> 
> 1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional
> yeast or tarula). (I use nutritional yeast.)
> 
> 1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder
> (I found kelp first, so I use that)
> 
> 1 cup lecithin granules
> 
> 2 cups wheat bran
> 
> 2 cups bonemeal.
> 
> Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New
> Natural Cat--A Complete Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra
> Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia section on pages
> 326/327):
> 
> "When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes
> into contact with a negative cat--one not carrying the
> virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 
> 
> *not become affected in any way; 
> *become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert
> again to being negative; 
> *become positive, but not become ill and remain
> positive--thus becoming a new carrier of the virus; 
> *become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or
> other cancer; or 
> *become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much
> like flu; and then recover and remain positive or become
> negative. 
> 
> A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested
> again in three months. If he has been treated by an
> experienced veterinary homeopath and put on a high-quality
> diet designed to build general health and strengthen the
> immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted
> to negative. "(my emphasis)
> 
> You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for
> loving and looking out for Snazzy.
> Kerry M.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Debbie Harrison]

Hey MC...send me your phone # offline...I need to ask some important questions 
about a couple of female kittys I want to have spayed...pretty pleeze!Debbie 
(COL)"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do 
something.And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the 
something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by 
the grace of God,I will do"(Edward Everett Hale) > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 
18:05:27 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive> > this is closer 
to what i would have said--wait to see if the cat is actually> positive, and 
then weight the very real risks of NOT vaccinating against the> potential ones 
of doing so.> > i follow dr dodd's recommendations myself, i just define "sick" 
differently,> i guess. (tho i'm REALLY not happy about the new protocol for 
kittens--every> 3-4 weeks of vaccines until they're FOUR MONTHS OLD?? to 
me, that's WAY> too much..)> > MC> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, 
Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > Our vet told us to hold off on both 
shots and spay surgery until the> > final diagnosis. It stresses their systems 
and makes them weak,> > thereby making it harder for them to fight off the 
disease...> >> > Sent from my iPhone> >> > On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, 
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:> >> > > Sally, I 
personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean> > > Dodds'> > > and 
Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is> > > taken> > > 
from the website.) Kerry M.> > >> > > 
http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html> > >> > >>>> All packages of 
vaccinations carry warnings that they should be> > > injected only in healthy 
animals. In the case of cats, vaccine> > > manufacturers advise against 
vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.> > > However, many pets are not healthy 
when vaccinated although they might> > > not have outward signs of health 
problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a> > > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, 
North Carolina, notes that> > > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are 
injected directly into the> > > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of 
infection." (7) This> > > causes> > > the animal's antibodies to attempt to 
fight off the offending virus> > > molecules and render them harmless. If the 
animal's immune system is> > > too> > > weakened, he or she cannot fight off 
these viruses and can develop a> > > reaction to the vaccine. Even small 
amounts of a virus that is> > > introduced through a vaccination may be too 
much for sick animals to> > > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very 
disease to which they> > > have been vaccinated.<<<> > >> > >> > > 
-Original Message-> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY> > > NORDSTROM> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 
2008 3:59 PM> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Stray Kitty I took in tests positive> > >> > > Another question. My kittens 
tested positive with the ELISA test.> > > May> > > they have their vaccines? 
Mom gets tested Friday. If positive, may> > > she> > > have her vaccines? May 
she be spayed?> > >> > >> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Sally Davis]

My two cents... even though they were all exposed equally. I would keep them
apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur. So even though
they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get to the point
where the negative kitens are still negative after a few months and have had
their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I would separate.
IMHO

Sally(in VA)


On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok, guys, now I need more help!  I picked the kittens up tonight and after
> I got home, I saw that only one tested positive.  Can the other kittens be
> with her?  Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried
> that the others will eventually test positive?  I don't understand any of
> this!
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
> > Jean Dodds'
> > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
> > paragraph below is taken
> > from the website.) Kerry M.
> >
> > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> >
> > >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
> > that they should be
> > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
> > vaccine
> > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
> > nursing cats.
> > However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
> > they might
> > not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
> > DVM, a
> > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
> > that
> > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
> > directly into the
> > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> > infection." (7) This causes
> > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
> > offending virus
> > molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
> > immune system is too
> > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
> > develop a
> > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
> > is
> > introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
> > animals to
> > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
> > which they
> > have been vaccinated.<<<
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > SALLY
> > NORDSTROM
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
> > positive
> >
> > Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the
> > ELISA test.  May
> > they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If
> > positive, may she
> > have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Ok, guys, now I need more help!  I picked the kittens up tonight and after I 
got home, I saw that only one tested positive.  Can the other kittens be with 
her?  Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried that the 
others will eventually test positive?  I don't understand any of this!  

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
> Jean Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
> paragraph below is taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
> 
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> 
> >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
> that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
> vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
> nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
> they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
> DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
> that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
> directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> infection." (7) This causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
> offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
> immune system is too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
> develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
> is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
> animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
> which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> SALLY
> NORDSTROM
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
> positive
> 
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the
> ELISA test.  May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If
> positive, may she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
> 
> _
>  
> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by
> Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and
> cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax
> penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the
> promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then
> each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax
> advisor. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

awww, thanks!

MC


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes
>
> Sally(the other one)
>
> .
>
> MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Sally Davis]

Yes

Sally(the other one)

.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

this is closer to what i would have said--wait to see if the cat is actually
positive, and then weight the very real risks of NOT vaccinating against the
potential ones of doing so.

i follow dr dodd's recommendations myself, i just define "sick" differently,
i guess. (tho i'm REALLY not happy about the new protocol for kittens--every
3-4 weeks of vaccines until they're FOUR MONTHS OLD?? to me, that's WAY
too much..)

MC


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Our vet told us to hold off on both shots and spay surgery until the
> final diagnosis.  It stresses their systems and makes them weak,
> thereby making it harder for them to fight off the disease...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
>
> > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean
> > Dodds'
> > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is
> > taken
> > from the website.) Kerry M.
> >
> > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> >
> >>>> All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> > However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> > not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This
> > causes
> > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> > molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is
> > too
> > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> > introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> > have been vaccinated.<<<
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
> > NORDSTROM
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> >
> > Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.
> > May
> > they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may
> > she
> > have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MaryChristine]

i respectfully disagree.

asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat household
will gell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal
cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary settings,
FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health. since
FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and other
manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously
immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle, all
the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the onslaughts
of new infections.

this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes
ill, why doesn't the other, "sick" cat, immediately succumb? this is another
misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to keep up
on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients.

let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of panleukopenia,
you won't ever want it to happen again.

there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly
been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our
over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all.

a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV, but
an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying that
all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes virus
just waiting to break out into herpes.

MC
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
>
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
>
> >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
> NORDSTROM
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
>
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Saehwa Kang]

Our vet told us to hold off on both shots and spay surgery until the  
final diagnosis.  It stresses their systems and makes them weak,  
thereby making it harder for them to fight off the disease...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > wrote:

> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean  
> Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is  
> taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
>
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
>
>>>> All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This  
> causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is  
> too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
> NORDSTROM
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
>
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.   
> May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may  
> she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds'
and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken
from the website.) Kerry M.

http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html

>>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
"chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This causes
the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too
weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
have been vaccinated.<<<


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
NORDSTROM
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May
they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she
have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May they 
have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she have her 
vaccines?  May she be spayed?


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:16 PM
> Brenda,
> You're an angel for opening your heart and home to
> Spazzy. Thank you on behalf of all homeless kitties, and
> particularly FeLV kitts.
> You've come to the right place for info. 
> My first advice would be to find an informed,
> FeLV-competent vet. While your vet sounds nice, nice
> won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV. 
> And it's evident from your email that you are better
> informed than your vet---definitely do not allow her to
> vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy indoors. It stops him
> from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into
> contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
> As you already learned, the most important goal is to do
> everything possible to help his immune system. In my
> opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, playing, eating,
> enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him
> continue to do so.
> To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can
> afford--ideally, one without by-products, additives or
> preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams didn't measure
> up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food
> morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's
> vita-mineral-mix recipe twice a day. (See recipe below.)
> Wholefoods or a health store should have all the
> ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you
> going for weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment
> as you can---lots of attention, cuddles and care goes a long
> way to boosting the immune system.
> Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats
> is now negative. (The others succumbed around the age of 2.)
> The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out
> if the FeLV is in the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow,
> the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be thrown off.
> Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline
> interferon? Immunoregulin?
> 
> Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.
>  
> Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:
> 
> 1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:
> 
> 1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional
> yeast or tarula). (I use nutritional yeast.)
> 
> 1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder
> (I found kelp first, so I use that)
> 
> 1 cup lecithin granules
> 
> 2 cups wheat bran
> 
> 2 cups bonemeal.
> 
> Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New
> Natural Cat--A Complete Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra
> Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia section on pages
> 326/327):
> 
> "When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes
> into contact with a negative cat--one not carrying the
> virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 
> 
> *not become affected in any way; 
> *become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert
> again to being negative; 
> *become positive, but not become ill and remain
> positive--thus becoming a new carrier of the virus; 
> *become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or
> other cancer; or 
> *become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much
> like flu; and then recover and remain positive or become
> negative. 
> 
> A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested
> again in three months. If he has been treated by an
> experienced veterinary homeopath and put on a high-quality
> diet designed to build general health and strengthen the
> immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted
> to negative. "(my emphasis)
> 
> You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for
> loving and looking out for Snazzy.
> Kerry M.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Brenda Waterson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around
> my neighborhood for some time. He's such a nice boy and
> I had been feeding him for a few months before I took him
> in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an
> upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad
>

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Welcome, Brenda!  Sorry Spazzy is so ill, but you've come to the right place 
for info.  You will be getting a lot of it in a very short time, but just to 
start out, your vet is way wrong about the bone marrow biopsy.  Yikes!  What 
you need to get is an IFA test.  It's much more accurate than the test that 
would have been done in that long ten minutes -- it's a blood test that's sent 
to a lab and IT is the way to find out if the disease is in the marrow.  You 
probably need, and I know this can be daunting, to find a vet who is more 
knowledgeable about FeLV.  If yours is willing to learn, that's good but with 
an already sick kitty you probably need someone who's up to speed now.

Here's the mini-drill:  lots of love, keep stress levels low, give good food 
(Iams is pretty good, but there are better ones you can get at the pet shop) 
with meat as the FIRST ingredient in the list and low on grains.  You can give 
the supplement L-Lysine (from the health food store, not the human stuff from 
the drugstore, which has bad additives).  Your vet may be talking about 
immunoregulin, which has been a big help to some kitties on this list.

Probably you need to reassess Spazzy's condition once the runnies are under 
control.  If he bounces back from that after the Clav, you'll have a better 
idea of his overall health.  

It may be that it's just a passing cold not directly related to the FeLV, in 
which case he may be around for quite a while.  Or it could be that he's gotten 
to the really-sick stage and there may not be much you can do.  (That's how it 
was with my Patches, a stray we brought in who crashed within 6 weeks).  In 
that case, by bringing him in you are giving him the great kindness of a safe 
and loving place to be for however long rather than out on his own.  Bless you 
for caring for him. 

Diane R.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Hello,

I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood for 
some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few months 
before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an 
upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because the mucous that 
was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was having a hard time 
breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was close 
to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us home. I was to follow up 
with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish his course of antibiotics, and 
days after I went on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter stopped by 
daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs. I received a call from the pet 
sitter stating she was sorry but the cat (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was 
taking the dogs out. I told her not to worry just try calling him and he should 
come back. Well that went
 on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was worried 
about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around the 
neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had passed 
one morning while I was heading out the door to work, he was sitting at my back 
door. I was happy to see him, but was concerned because it seemed his upper 
respiratory infection was back. I brought him in the house, feed and watered 
him and off to work I went. I called my Vet who was booked for the weekend and 
couldn't see him until Monday. I was too concerned to wait so I figured it 
would be best to see a different Vet. Well Mr. Houdini as I like to call him 
(Spazzy) had gotten out. I was heartbroken and worried because he was sick . I 
again searched the neighborhood for him but had no luck at finding him. About a 
week had passed and I spotted him while I was walking my dogs. I was able to 
grab him, brought him back home and
 called the Vet. I took him in the following morning but seen a different Vet 
at the practice. Dr. McGinn had said he was sick but she wanted to check for 
Feline Leukemia because where he was treated not that long ago chances are he 
probably did have it. Not too mention he also had ulcers in his mouth which she 
stated is common for cats with feline L. Well those 10 minutes were very long 
just waiting, I hoped and prayed it was negative but it turned out he was 
positive. He was seen 10/13/08 was treated with Amoxi drops, twice a day until 
gone. Initially he seemed to be getting better, but a week and a half after I 
noticed he was sneezing but this time no mucous was visible just blood. I 
called the Vet's office once they opened, I had explained what was going on and 
was told Dr. McGinn would call me back by the end of the day. She did return my

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Brenda,
You're an angel for opening your heart and home to Spazzy. Thank you on behalf 
of all homeless kitties, and particularly FeLV kitts.
You've come to the right place for info. 
My first advice would be to find an informed, FeLV-competent vet. While your 
vet sounds nice, nice won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV.  And 
it's evident from your email that you are better informed than your 
vet---definitely do not allow her to vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy 
indoors. It stops him from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into 
contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
As you already learned, the most important goal is to do everything possible to 
help his immune system. In my opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, 
playing, eating, enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him 
continue to do so.
To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can afford--ideally, one 
without by-products, additives or preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams 
didn't measure up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food 
morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's vita-mineral-mix recipe 
twice a day. (See recipe below.) Wholefoods or a health store should have all 
the ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you going for 
weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment as you can---lots of 
attention, cuddles and care goes a long way to boosting the immune system.
Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats is now negative. (The 
others succumbed around the age of 2.)
The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out if the FeLV is in 
the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow, the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be 
thrown off.
Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline interferon? Immunoregulin?

Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.
 
Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:

1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:

1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional yeast or tarula). (I use 
nutritional yeast.)

1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder (I found kelp first, 
so I use that)

1 cup lecithin granules

2 cups wheat bran

2 cups bonemeal.

Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New Natural Cat--A Complete 
Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia 
section on pages 326/327):

"When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes into contact with a 
negative cat--one not carrying the virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 

*not become affected in any way; 
*become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert again to being 
negative; 
*become positive, but not become ill and remain positive--thus becoming a new 
carrier of the virus; 
*become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or other cancer; or 
*become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much like flu; and then 
recover and remain positive or become negative. 

A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested again in three 
months. If he has been treated by an experienced veterinary homeopath and put 
on a high-quality diet designed to build general health and strengthen the 
immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted to negative. "(my 
emphasis)

You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for loving and looking out 
for Snazzy.
Kerry M.





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Hello,

I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood for 
some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few months 
before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an 
upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because the mucous that 
was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was having a hard time 
breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was close 
to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us home. I was to follow up 
with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish his course of antibiotics, and 
days after I went on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter stopped by 
daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs. I received a call from the pet 
sitter stating she was sorry but the cat (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was 
taking the dogs out. I told her not to worry just try calling him and he should 
come back. Well that went
 on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was worried 
about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around the 
neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had passed 
one morning while I was heading out th

[Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Brenda Waterson]

Hello,

I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood for 
some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few months 
before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an 
upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because the mucous that 
was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was having a hard time 
breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was close 
to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us home. I was to follow up 
with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish his course of antibiotics, and 
days after I went on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter stopped by 
daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs. I received a call from the pet 
sitter stating she was sorry but the cat (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was 
taking the dogs out. I told her not to worry just try calling him and he should 
come back. Well that went
 on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was worried 
about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around the 
neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had passed 
one morning while I was heading out the door to work, he was sitting at my back 
door. I was happy to see him, but was concerned because it seemed his upper 
respiratory infection was back. I brought him in the house, feed and watered 
him and off to work I went. I called my Vet who was booked for the weekend and 
couldn't see him until Monday. I was too concerned to wait so I figured it 
would be best to see a different Vet. Well Mr. Houdini as I like to call him 
(Spazzy) had gotten out. I was heartbroken and worried because he was sick . I 
again searched the neighborhood for him but had no luck at finding him. About a 
week had passed and I spotted him while I was walking my dogs. I was able to 
grab him, brought him back home and
 called the Vet. I took him in the following morning but seen a different Vet 
at the practice. Dr. McGinn had said he was sick but she wanted to check for 
Feline Leukemia because where he was treated not that long ago chances are he 
probably did have it. Not too mention he also had ulcers in his mouth which she 
stated is common for cats with feline L. Well those 10 minutes were very long 
just waiting, I hoped and prayed it was negative but it turned out he was 
positive. He was seen 10/13/08 was treated with Amoxi drops, twice a day until 
gone. Initially he seemed to be getting better, but a week and a half after I 
noticed he was sneezing but this time no mucous was visible just blood. I 
called the Vet's office once they opened, I had explained what was going on and 
was told Dr. McGinn would call me back by the end of the day. She did return my 
call and said she's changing his antibiotic to something stronger. She put him 
on Clavimox drops twice a day
 until gone. She also stated there are new meds for cats with feline L. but she 
would need to research it more before she would start using it at her practice. 
Have any of you heard of or maybe your cat is currently using this new 
medication? I guess it helps build the immune system.  He started the Clavimox 
drop Saturday 10/26/08 and he seems to be doing better now, no drainage from 
his eyes, no sneezing blood, but still sounds very stuffy. Have any of you 
experienced these types of symptoms with your cats? He's gaining weight and 
thriving but from my understanding they can take a turn for the worse at any 
given time. Also once he's better she wants him to get his vaccines, however 
with a compromised immune system will the vaccine's harm him? Dr. McGinn seems 
to be a very caring Vet, but she doesn't seem to know too much about Feline L. 
I have done some research on the Internet and found that the Elisa test can 
sometimes produce a false positive,
 and it can tell what stage the feline L is at. I guess the preliminary stage 
(1) is where the cat has come in contact with it, but it's immune system is 
trying to fight off the disease. The secondary stage (2) is yes the cat does 
have it, it's gone past the cat's immune system fighting the disease and has 
moved into the cats bone marrow. Well Dr. McGinn stated the only way to find 
that out is by doing a bone marrow biopsy. The different websites I've viewed 
never stated that just that the Elisa test was able to determine what stage the 
cat was at. Have any of you ever heard of such a thing? At this point I don't 
know if I should keep trying to treat the sickness every time they appear, or 
if I should end all suffering for Spazzy and have him euthanized. I don't want 
him to suffer, and I feel by my keeping him around is being selfish because I 
love him. Is there anything I can do to help boost his immune system? The Vet 
recommended feeding him Iam's
 which he is now on. But is there something more I can do for him? 

I'm sorry this is such a long email b