Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
> > From: Lee Evans >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > >Katherine, I understand your feelings. For reasons of ethics I don't enjoy >trapping cats and having their reproductive organs removed. I wouldn't like >to have that happen to me. On the other hand, I wouldn't like to be trapped >and put into a gas chamber because there were too many humans and no one >wanted to tolerate my particular type of human - alley human. So it's a toss >up. We can't give every one of the 50,000 community cats here in San Antonio >a vasectomy or hysterectomy because it would not stop the mating behavior and >citizens of this city would still be overwhelmed by the howling and yowling >and the attempts at mating. It wouldn't be cost effective. And I just >couldn't teach my male cats to use condoms. There is no effective birth >control pill for female animals other than human females and even the pill for >humans it not 100% effective and even less of a percentage safe. There's no >way to pill outdoor community cats either. > >The lesser of the evils and the one which I feel is healthiest for the cats, >homed or community cats is neutering and spaying. But I think I understand >your point of view also. > > > > >Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >neighbors too! > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Breeders have vasectomized males around to get their intact females out of heat. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Someone would get a male cat a vasectomy? Or have a female cat’s tubes > tied? > > Wow…people are stupider than I thought… > > B. > > ** ** > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *janine paton > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:27 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > ** ** > > The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the > spaying itself. And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs, > but boy have we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones. One couldn't > have been more than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen > belly was pyometria. And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also. Not > worth it. Use a decent vet and get your cat spayed! > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* Lee Evans > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Sent:* Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > Amen to that sister. My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic. > The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an > older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. > So I didn't have her spayed. She went into her heat cycle several more > times, then gave it up as a bad idea. She lived an additional 5 years with > me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use > towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house. Everything here has to be > washable). I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic. I > finally got her into a carrier. At the clinic they flipped her over and I > was horrified. All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were > bleeding. She had severe mammary cancer. The vet said she was probably in > pain. There was nothing I could do. He gave her a pain injection. She > became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her. I will NEVER NOT SPAY a > cat. Male cats can get prostate cancer. There is no proven reason why > cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered. Humans have the operation all > the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. If physicians didn't do > hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the > cancers would metastasize and more people would die. > > In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat > adopted. It will just not work. > > Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a > vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the > operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that > can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot. > > I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me > to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous > argument that animals and people have to be left natural. Consequently I > allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens > who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the > disease. They all died. Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I > would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and > discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to > spread the disease all over the neighborhood. > > ** ** > > > > *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too!* > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* Beth > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > ** ** > > I'm not going to start an argument over one study. > Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. > The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. > My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - > all spayed. > Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, > are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. > Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) > from not being spayed.. > > There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about > not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/>* > *** > > > > ** ** >
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
My Nitnoy and Annie were both pos and both were spayed. Never seemed to affect either one. Nitnoy's problem began much later when she developed plugged anal glands and they became infected. Lesson for me, check those glands often. Annie still going strong. Beth wrote: > I'm not going to start an argument over one study. Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third longer? There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. >Hope all goes well. > >Beth > >Maryam Ulomi wrote: > >>Hello everyone, >> >>We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral >>baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, >>isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are >>retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >>Should we retest first and then spay? >>Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? >> >>Any suggestions are welcome >> >>Sent from my iPhone >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
The ovaries are responsible for the heat cycle, so they would still go into heat & still be more prone to mammary cancer & stress. KG BarnCats wrote: >It's a very interesting article/study. I think they are not advocating >that pets go unspayed but rather there be further study of spay where only >the uterus is removed. But in addition to risks like mammary cancer, I >worry about spayed pets in heat and their hormonally driven efforts to >escape the house to mate. How many pets are lost, injured and killed that >way? How many pet owners will be upset by the pet's behaviors and possible >mess while the pet keeps cycling in heat? It is a multi-faceted issue >that I hope gets more research. > >Kg > > > >On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Kathryn Hargreaves >wrote: >> Perhaps this information will be useful to other folks on this list, >then, since Felv shortens lifespan in general. >> Dogs are more likely to get both mammary cancer and pyometra than are >cats, and ovary retention seems to override this, along with their heat >stresses.However, cats are polyestrous (go into heat several times a >year) whereas dogs are diestrous (two heat cycles a year), so cats have >more heat stresses, which may or may not override the ovary-retention >effect. Note that breeders use various methods of getting cats they don't >want pregnant out of heat, so perhaps one could sufficiently reduce the >stress to that of a dog's. >> I've heard of cats living to over 30, and since this study looks at the >outliers for what's possible, we might look at 30+ years as an upper bound >for cat longevity, at least non-Felv+ ones. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Beth wrote: >>> >>> I'm not going to start an argument over one study. >>> Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. >The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. >>> My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - >all spayed. >>> Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat >cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. >>> Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) >from not being spayed.. >>> >>> There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about >not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. >>> >>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org >>> >>> >>> From: Kathryn Hargreaves >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice >>> >>> If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a >third longer?There's more to the overall story than just local >stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools >do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: >>> >>> My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would >wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel >done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. >>> Hope all goes well. >>> >>> Beth >>> >>> Maryam Ulomi wrote: >>> >>> >Hello everyone, >>> > >>> >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued >feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own >room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we >are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >>> >Should we retest first and then spay? >>> >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? >>> > >>> >Any suggestions are welcome >>> > >>> >Sent from my iPhone >>> >___ >>> >Felvtalk mailing list >>> >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! >>> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save >their life. Contact your
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Someone would get a male cat a vasectomy? Or have a female cat's tubes tied? Wow.people are stupider than I thought. B. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the spaying itself. And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs, but boy have we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones. One couldn't have been more than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen belly was pyometria. And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also. Not worth it. Use a decent vet and get your cat spayed! _ From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice Amen to that sister. My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic. The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. So I didn't have her spayed. She went into her heat cycle several more times, then gave it up as a bad idea. She lived an additional 5 years with me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house. Everything here has to be washable). I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic. I finally got her into a carrier. At the clinic they flipped her over and I was horrified. All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were bleeding. She had severe mammary cancer. The vet said she was probably in pain. There was nothing I could do. He gave her a pain injection. She became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her. I will NEVER NOT SPAY a cat. Male cats can get prostate cancer. There is no proven reason why cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered. Humans have the operation all the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. If physicians didn't do hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the cancers would metastasize and more people would die. In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat adopted. It will just not work. Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot. I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous argument that animals and people have to be left natural. Consequently I allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the disease. They all died. Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to spread the disease all over the neighborhood. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice I'm not going to start an argument over one study. Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif> www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the spaying itself. And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs, but boy have we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones. One couldn't have been more than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen belly was pyometria. And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also. Not worth it. Use a decent vet and get your cat spayed! From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice Amen to that sister. My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic. The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. So I didn't have her spayed. She went into her heat cycle several more times, then gave it up as a bad idea. She lived an additional 5 years with me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house. Everything here has to be washable). I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic. I finally got her into a carrier. At the clinic they flipped her over and I was horrified. All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were bleeding. She had severe mammary cancer. The vet said she was probably in pain. There was nothing I could do. He gave her a pain injection. She became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her. I will NEVER NOT SPAY a cat. Male cats can get prostate cancer. There is no proven reason why cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered. Humans have the operation all the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. If physicians didn't do hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the cancers would metastasize and more people would die. In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat adopted. It will just not work. Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot. I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous argument that animals and people have to be left natural. Consequently I allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the disease. They all died. Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to spread the disease all over the neighborhood. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > >I'm not going to start an argument over one study. >Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The >spay >was easy & she recovered quickly. >My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all >spayed. >Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are >much more likely to develop mammary cancer. >Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from >not >being spayed.. > >There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not >getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. > > >Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Amen to that sister. My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic. The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. So I didn't have her spayed. She went into her heat cycle several more times, then gave it up as a bad idea. She lived an additional 5 years with me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house. Everything here has to be washable). I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic. I finally got her into a carrier. At the clinic they flipped her over and I was horrified. All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were bleeding. She had severe mammary cancer. The vet said she was probably in pain. There was nothing I could do. He gave her a pain injection. She became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her. I will NEVER NOT SPAY a cat. Male cats can get prostate cancer. There is no proven reason why cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered. Humans have the operation all the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. If physicians didn't do hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the cancers would metastasize and more people would die. In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat adopted. It will just not work. Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot. I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous argument that animals and people have to be left natural. Consequently I allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the disease. They all died. Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to spread the disease all over the neighborhood. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Beth >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > >I'm not going to start an argument over one study. >Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The >spay was easy & she recovered quickly. >My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all >spayed. >Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are >much more likely to develop mammary cancer. >Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from >not being spayed.. > >There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not >getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. > > >Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > > > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
It's a very interesting article/study. I think they are not advocating that pets go unspayed but rather there be further study of spay where only the uterus is removed. But in addition to risks like mammary cancer, I worry about spayed pets in heat and their hormonally driven efforts to escape the house to mate. How many pets are lost, injured and killed that way? How many pet owners will be upset by the pet's behaviors and possible mess while the pet keeps cycling in heat? It is a multi-faceted issue that I hope gets more research. Kg On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > Perhaps this information will be useful to other folks on this list, then, since Felv shortens lifespan in general. > Dogs are more likely to get both mammary cancer and pyometra than are cats, and ovary retention seems to override this, along with their heat stresses.However, cats are polyestrous (go into heat several times a year) whereas dogs are diestrous (two heat cycles a year), so cats have more heat stresses, which may or may not override the ovary-retention effect. Note that breeders use various methods of getting cats they don't want pregnant out of heat, so perhaps one could sufficiently reduce the stress to that of a dog's. > I've heard of cats living to over 30, and since this study looks at the outliers for what's possible, we might look at 30+ years as an upper bound for cat longevity, at least non-Felv+ ones. > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Beth wrote: >> >> I'm not going to start an argument over one study. >> Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. >> My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. >> Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. >> Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. >> >> There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. >> >> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org >> >> ________ >> From: Kathryn Hargreaves >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice >> >> If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third longer?There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. >> >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: >> >> My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. >> Hope all goes well. >> >> Beth >> >> Maryam Ulomi wrote: >> >> >Hello everyone, >> > >> >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >> >Should we retest first and then spay? >> >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? >> > >> >Any suggestions are welcome >> > >> >Sent from my iPhone >> >___ >> >Felvtalk mailing list >> >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! >> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. >> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. >> >> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ >> >> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) >> >> Legislate better animal pound conditions: h
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Perhaps this information will be useful to other folks on this list, then, since Felv shortens lifespan in general. Dogs are more likely to get both mammary cancer and pyometra than are cats, and ovary retention seems to override this, along with their heat stresses. However, cats are polyestrous (go into heat several times a year) whereas dogs are diestrous (two heat cycles a year), so cats have more heat stresses, which may or may not override the ovary-retention effect. Note that breeders use various methods of getting cats they don't want pregnant out of heat, so perhaps one could sufficiently reduce the stress to that of a dog's. I've heard of cats living to over 30, and since this study looks at the outliers for what's possible, we might look at 30+ years as an upper bound for cat longevity, at least non-Felv+ ones. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Beth wrote: > I'm not going to start an argument over one study. > Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. > The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. > My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - > all spayed. > Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, > are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. > Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) > from not being spayed.. > > There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about > not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > > If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third > longer?There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: > http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not > teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: > > My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait > for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done > to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. > Hope all goes well. > > Beth > > Maryam Ulomi wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > > >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued > feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own > room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we > are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. > >Should we retest first and then spay? > >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? > > > >Any suggestions are welcome > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > -- > > Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! > > If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save > their life. Contact your local pound for information. > <http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm> > > If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and > to free up cage space. > > > Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by > implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ > > Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: > http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) > > Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org > > More fun reading: > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ > > More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially > http://vimeo.com/48445902 > > > > Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: > http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mail
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
I'm not going to start an argument over one study. Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy & she recovered quickly. My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. Cats (& dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third longer? There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. >Hope all goes well. > >Beth > >Maryam Ulomi wrote: > >>Hello everyone, >> >>We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral >>baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, >>isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are >>retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >>Should we retest first and then spay? >>Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? >> >>Any suggestions are welcome >> >>Sent from my iPhone >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third longer?There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth wrote: > My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait > for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done > to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. > Hope all goes well. > > Beth > > Maryam Ulomi wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > > >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued > feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own > room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we > are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. > >Should we retest first and then spay? > >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? > > > >Any suggestions are welcome > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. <http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/<http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. Hope all goes well. Beth Maryam Ulomi wrote: >Hello everyone, > >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral >baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, >isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are >retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >Should we retest first and then spay? >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? > >Any suggestions are welcome > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
When Percy tested positive for FeLv, I waited 90 days, (3 months) then had him retested when he was finally neutered. He had had other health issues too - slight anemia, fur problems and he is also FIV+ but that's not an issue since I have a small FIV+ colony in a separate indoor area. So now he is negative for FeLv, neutered and living with 4 other mates. I also have a female, Bunny who tested FeLv+ and hasn't been retested yet. She tested positive when she was spayed at a no-kill shelter and fortunately, they didn't kill her which they usually do when a cat tests positive for FeLv. I am going to retest her soon since she was with me for over 3 months already, in a room of her own. She was just about a year old when she was brought to me for fostering so I'm hoping she has overcome the FeLv. She gained about 100 pounds since she has been here and looks like a bowling ball covered with tabby fur. I don't see any danger in spaying your kitty either before or after testing but if you want to do it at the same time, it will save you a drive to the clinic and a second visit for the cat. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Maryam Ulomi >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Cc: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:04 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice > >Hello everyone, > >We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral >baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, >isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are >retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. >Should we retest first and then spay? >Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? > >Any suggestions are welcome > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Hello everyone, We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. Should we retest first and then spay? Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? Any suggestions are welcome Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] spaying and neutering
We have car ribbons for TNR and for spay and neuter. http://www.rescuties.rescuegroups.org/shop/category?CategoryID=448 On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:18 PM, wrote: > was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of > Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness > ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 > or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our > cars for our furbabies. dorlis > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] spaying and neutering
for those with persians, i believe that lime green is for PKD On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM, wrote: > was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of > Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness > ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 > or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our > cars for our furbabies. dorlis > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] spaying and neutering
was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our cars for our furbabies. dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats
My 2 positives, Tucson and Romeo, were s/n before I even knew they were positive (ignorance is bliss-LOL) and there was absolutely no problem. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats I've had no problem with it - Gloria On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Lorrie wrote: > I have had two FelV pos. kittens neutered at 6 months with no > problems, but of course a spay is a much more invasive proceedure. > I will be interested in knowing what others on the list have done. > > Lorrie > > On 02-10, Marci Greer wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a stray to us in >> October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on interferon, >> and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, lovable, etc. She >> has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to sleep in >> October just because she was positive, which of course I did not >> do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her and she >> would die, another vet told me to have her spayed. I don't know >> what to do, looking at her you would never even know that she was >> sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't want to do >> anything that may harm her. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats
I've had no problem with it - Gloria On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Lorrie wrote: I have had two FelV pos. kittens neutered at 6 months with no problems, but of course a spay is a much more invasive proceedure. I will be interested in knowing what others on the list have done. Lorrie On 02-10, Marci Greer wrote: Hi All, I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a stray to us in October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on interferon, and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, lovable, etc. She has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to sleep in October just because she was positive, which of course I did not do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her and she would die, another vet told me to have her spayed. I don't know what to do, looking at her you would never even know that she was sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't want to do anything that may harm her. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats
My vet said that most FELV cats do fine after spaying. There is some risk but there is some risk for all spays. She said they are more likely to have problems from not being spayed than from the spay itself. Tanya --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Lorrie wrote: > From: Lorrie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:08 PM > I have had two FelV pos. kittens neutered at 6 months with > no > problems, but of course a spay is a much more invasive > proceedure. > I will be interested in knowing what others on the list > have done. > > Lorrie > > On 02-10, Marci Greer wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a > stray to us in > > October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on > interferon, > > and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, > lovable, etc. She > > has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to > sleep in > > October just because she was positive, which of course > I did not > > do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her > and she > > would die, another vet told me to have her spayed. I > don't know > > what to do, looking at her you would never even know > that she was > > sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't > want to do > > anything that may harm her. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats
I have had two FelV pos. kittens neutered at 6 months with no problems, but of course a spay is a much more invasive proceedure. I will be interested in knowing what others on the list have done. Lorrie On 02-10, Marci Greer wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a stray to us in > October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on interferon, > and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, lovable, etc. She > has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to sleep in > October just because she was positive, which of course I did not > do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her and she > would die, another vet told me to have her spayed. I don't know > what to do, looking at her you would never even know that she was > sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't want to do > anything that may harm her. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Lynne, I know it's scary because of what's happened. I would still go ahead and spay though. t Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Sounds good - better safe than sorry. Gloria On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote: > Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra > precautions are > taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine > and she > will be intubated. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: spaying > > >> Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the >> spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the >> Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you >> might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in >> good shape before any surgery. >> >> And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has >> "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes >> which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat >> facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. >> >> I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had >> kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian >> cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, >> and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just >> using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, >> the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if >> they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs >> don't know that. I've had that happen. >> >> Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to >> anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to >> Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: >> >> == >> http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html >> "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is >> possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be >> due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats >> undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially >> sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced >> by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. >> If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more >> sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is >> supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with >> Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia >> (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate >> cats >> to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to >> use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, >> intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets >> can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed >> pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing >> dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." >> >> == >> >> Hope this is helpful. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: >> >>> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some >>> honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what >>> I must hear. >>> >>> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they >>> all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy >>> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't >>> have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very >>> quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got >>> them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half >>> year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It >>> caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a >>> foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection >>> treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a >>> strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did >>> have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have >>> read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter >>> and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her >>> scheduled to
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Good idea. You would not forgive yourself if something happened and you didn't. If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you might consult them. If not, and if you would like, I have the website of one who will do telelphone consults. Carolyn has used her too. On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote: > Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and > take it > to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our > vet > before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the > surgery. > I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for > not > getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the > slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or > so she > was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her > examined first by our vet. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! > > >> Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING >> PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. >> As I understand this is a Persian! >> >> Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've >> spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, >> will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a >> kitty this way. See the article below. >> >> Gloria >> >> -- > - >> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: >> >>> Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the >>> spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the >>> Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you >>> might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in >>> good shape before any surgery. >>> >>> And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has >>> "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes >>> which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat >>> facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. >>> >>> I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had >>> kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian >>> cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, >>> and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just >>> using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, >>> the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if >>> they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs >>> don't know that. I've had that happen. >>> >>> Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to >>> anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to >>> Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: >>> >>> == >>> http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html >>> "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is >>> possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be >>> due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats >>> undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially >>> sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced >>> by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. >>> If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more >>> sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is >>> supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem >>> with >>> Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia >>> (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate >>> cats >>> to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to >>> use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, >>> intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets >>> can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed >>> pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing >>> dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." >
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! > Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING > PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. > As I understand this is a Persian! > > Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've > spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, > will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a > kitty this way. See the article below. > > Gloria > > -- - > > > > On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the > > spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the > > Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you > > might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in > > good shape before any surgery. > > > > And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has > > "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes > > which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat > > facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. > > > > I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had > > kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian > > cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, > > and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just > > using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, > > the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if > > they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs > > don't know that. I've had that happen. > > > > Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to > > anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to > > Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: > > > > == > > http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html > > "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is > > possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be > > due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats > > undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially > > sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced > > by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. > > If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more > > sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is > > supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with > > Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia > > (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats > > to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to > > use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, > > intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets > > can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed > > pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing > > dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." > > > > == > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > >> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some > >> honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what > >> I must hear. > >> > >> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they > >> all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy > >> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn&#x
Re: spaying
Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying > Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the > spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the > Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you > might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in > good shape before any surgery. > > And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has > "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes > which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat > facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. > > I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had > kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian > cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, > and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just > using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, > the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if > they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs > don't know that. I've had that happen. > > Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to > anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to > Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: > > == > http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html > "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is > possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be > due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats > undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially > sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced > by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. > If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more > sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is > supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with > Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia > (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats > to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to > use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, > intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets > can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed > pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing > dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." > > == > > Hope this is helpful. > > Gloria > > > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some > > honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what > > I must hear. > > > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they > > all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy > > associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't > > have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very > > quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got > > them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half > > year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It > > caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a > > foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection > > treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a > > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did > > have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have > > read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter > > and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her > > scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would > > absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about > > the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and > > loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes > > cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. > > When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very > &g
Re: spaying
Thank you Dede. I'm gonna do just that, talk to the vet about everything. Lynne - Original Message - From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: spaying > Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. > > I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. > > Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. > > Best you you all, > Dede > > > > "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" >Mosiah 2:17 > > > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: spaying > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM > > Hi Lynne, > > > > I would check the contract you have with the agency from > > which you adopted > > her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you > > getting her spayed - > > this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. > > > > Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which > > the vet should > > have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to > > be altered. It > > reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of > > cancer, it eliminates > > the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I > > need some honest > > > advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to > > hear but what I must hear. > > > > > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be > > exact because they all > > > lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the > > tragedy associated with > > > Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't > > have neutered him (age 5) > > > and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. > > My other cats have > > > always been neutered before we got them (from the > > humane society.) Now we > > > have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who > > was very ill with > > > feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one > > eye and apparently it > > > took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and > > respiratory tract > > > infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the > > vet says she has a > > > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was > > that she did have a > > > litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I > > have read that it can > > > be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and > > that is why it is > > > best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to > > go in this Tuesday > > > and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if > > something were to happen to > > > her. I worry about the stress and her history of > > Herpes virus. She's such > > > a happy and loving little girl but becomes very > > aggitated over having her > > > eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things > > for a persian. When > > > we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had > > a very horrible > > > ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have > > it surgically > > > removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put > > under she was so > > > hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty > > because I guess she put > > > a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone > > into heat during the > > > time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. > > She's an indoor cat but > > > is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh > > air and nature. > > > Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one > > of us in the yard with > > > them and both stay very close. It is impossible for > > either one go get out > > > of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile > > male to find his way > > > in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised > > diligently and only let out > > > for a short time. 90% of
Re: spaying
Kelley, spaying is part of the contract. That is why I would speak with the foster mom first if I had any misgivings about doing it. This agency doesn't give the cats up for adoption without neutering but an exception was made here because supposedly I'm a responsible enough person to carry through with the procedure. That and the fact that I bugged the hell out of them for her. I've decided that I am going to cancel the surgery for tomorrow and instead set up an appointment for Snowy to meet this vet and have a complete physical including blood work etc. I do worry about her breathing. When she plays for a long time she pants, tongue hanging out just like a dog. Her nose is so tiny you can hardly find it. I will ask about intubating her. She hasn't had any herpes outbreak since we've had her. She eats well, plays hard and loves life. She hasn't met our regular vet. She had the emergency surgery on her paw through an after hours clinic. I think our regular vet who cared for BooBoo would not take any kind of risk with her knowing what we and he went through trying to save Boo. Still I'm scared. If this is to be done, I would like it done within the next week as I'm on vacation and would want to be here with her during her recovery. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check o
Re: spaying
I understand your concern. With my sweet Albert, CRF, CHF, HCM, I had the vet follow this protocol when he had to have dental surgery. http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_problems It is a good protocol to use for any surgery but especially for a kitty at risk. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket --- On Sun, 6/22/08, dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 7:13 PM Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: spaying > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM > Hi Lynne, > > I would check the contract you have with the agency from > which you adopted > her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you > getting her spayed - > this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. > > Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which > the vet should > have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to > be altered. It > reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of > cancer, it eliminates > the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. > > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I > need some honest > > advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to > hear but what I must hear. > > > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be > exact because they all > > lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the > tragedy associated with > > Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't > have neutered him (age 5) > > and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. > My other cats have > > always been neutered before we got them (from the > humane society.) Now we > > have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who > was very ill with > > feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one > eye and apparently it > > took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and > respiratory tract > > infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the > vet says she has a > > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was > that she did have a > > litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I > have read that it can > > be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and > that is why it is > > best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to > go in this Tuesday > > and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if > something were to happen to > > her. I worry about the stress and her history of > Herpes virus. She's such > > a happy and loving little girl but becomes very > aggitated over having her > > eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things > for a persian. When > > we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had > a very horrible > > ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have > it surgically > > removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put > under she was so > > hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty > because I guess she put > > a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone > into heat during the > > time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. > She's an indoor cat but > > is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh > air and nature. > > Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one > of us in the yard with > > them and both stay very close. It is impossible for > either one go get out > > of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile > male to find his way > > in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised > diligently and only let out > > for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or > in the screened > > patio. > > > > I know ultimately this is my decision but I would > truly appreciate any > > thoughts you wonderful people might have on the > sub
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria --- On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: > Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the > spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the > Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you > might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in > good shape before any surgery. > > And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has > "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes > which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat > facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. > > I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had > kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian > cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, > and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just > using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, > the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if > they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs > don't know that. I've had that happen. > > Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to > anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to > Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: > > == > http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html > "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is > possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be > due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats > undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially > sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced > by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. > If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more > sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is > supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with > Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia > (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats > to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to > use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, > intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets > can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed > pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing > dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." > > == > > Hope this is helpful. > > Gloria > > > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: > >> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some >> honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what >> I must hear. >> >> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they >> all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy >> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't >> have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very >> quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got >> them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half >> year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It >> caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a >> foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection >> treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a >> strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did >> have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have >> read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter >> and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her >> scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would >> absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about >> the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and >> loving little girl but becomes very aggitat
Re: spaying
Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: spaying > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM > Hi Lynne, > > I would check the contract you have with the agency from > which you adopted > her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you > getting her spayed - > this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. > > Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which > the vet should > have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to > be altered. It > reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of > cancer, it eliminates > the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. > > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I > need some honest > > advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to > hear but what I must hear. > > > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be > exact because they all > > lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the > tragedy associated with > > Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't > have neutered him (age 5) > > and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. > My other cats have > > always been neutered before we got them (from the > humane society.) Now we > > have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who > was very ill with > > feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one > eye and apparently it > > took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and > respiratory tract > > infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the > vet says she has a > > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was > that she did have a > > litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I > have read that it can > > be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and > that is why it is > > best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to > go in this Tuesday > > and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if > something were to happen to > > her. I worry about the stress and her history of > Herpes virus. She's such > > a happy and loving little girl but becomes very > aggitated over having her > > eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things > for a persian. When > > we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had > a very horrible > > ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have > it surgically > > removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put > under she was so > > hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty > because I guess she put > > a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone > into heat during the > > time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. > She's an indoor cat but > > is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh > air and nature. > > Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one > of us in the yard with > > them and both stay very close. It is impossible for > either one go get out > > of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile > male to find his way > > in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised > diligently and only let out > > for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or > in the screened > > patio. > > > > I know ultimately this is my decision but I would > truly appreciate any > > thoughts you wonderful people might have on the > subject. > > > > Many thanks > > Lynne > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com
Re: spaying
Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest > advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all > lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with > Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) > and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have > always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we > have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with > feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it > took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract > infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a > litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can > be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is > best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday > and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to > her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such > a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her > eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When > we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible > ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically > removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so > hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put > a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the > time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but > is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. > Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with > them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out > of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way > in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out > for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened > patio. > > I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any > thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. > > Many thanks > Lynne > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
One more thought: consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her on it for a good period after her recovery. It has wonderful abilities to aid in repair and recovery. On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: > Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the > spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the > Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you > might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in > good shape before any surgery. > > And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has > "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes > which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat > facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. > > I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had > kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian > cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, > and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just > using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, > the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if > they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs > don't know that. I've had that happen. > > Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to > anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to > Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: > > == > http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html > "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is > possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be > due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats > undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially > sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced > by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. > If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more > sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is > supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with > Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia > (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats > to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to > use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, > intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets > can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed > pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing > dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." > > == > > Hope this is helpful. > > Gloria > > > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: > >> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some >> honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what >> I must hear. >> >> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they >> all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy >> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't >> have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very >> quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got >> them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half >> year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It >> caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a >> foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection >> treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a >> strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did >> have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have >> read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter >> and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her >> scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would >> absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about >> the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and >> loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes >> cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. >> When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very >> horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it >> surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put >> under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad >> kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she >> has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is >> around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go >> outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is >> ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with
Re: spaying
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though." == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: > Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some > honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what > I must hear. > > I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they > all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy > associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't > have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very > quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got > them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half > year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It > caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a > foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection > treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a > strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did > have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have > read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter > and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her > scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would > absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about > the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and > loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes > cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. > When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very > horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it > surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put > under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad > kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she > has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is > around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go > outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is > ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them > and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get > out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to > find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised > diligently and onl
Re: spaying
One caution: consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors near the time she is spayed. Having everything done at once is convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can overwhelm the little one. If you have a homeopathic vet around you might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too. On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote: Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: spaying
Good for Snowy! "Putting a job on him" when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
spaying
Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. >From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: spaying
I get messages on a very on and off basis,too. ?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: > Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery > to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is > asthmatic. I requested oxygen. > L > - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: spaying > > >> Thanks Dede, >> >> I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I >> was still >> worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in >> breathing >> while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be >> carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been >> through in >> her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to >> anything >> that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind >> of in >> disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take >> anything for >> granted anymore when it comes to my pets. >> >> Lynne >> - Original Message - >> From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM >> Subject: Re: spaying >> >> >>> Lynne, >>> >>> I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go >>> to a >> capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, >> she'll be >> fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited >> almost a year >> to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and >> asthma. I was a >> basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they >> used a >> kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now >> 10 yrs >> old...fat and very content. >>> >>> Good luck and God bless. >>> Dede >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only >>> in the >> service of your God" >>>Mosiah 2:17 >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > Subject: spaying >>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all >>> > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need >>> > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our >>> > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I >>> > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's >>> > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 >>> > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. >>> > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it >>> > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took >>> > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had >>> > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had >>> > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was >>> > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got >>> > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo >>> > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it >>> > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and >>> > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize >>> > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us >>> > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think >>> > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little >>> > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a >>> > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me >>> > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the >>> > time in
Re: spaying
hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: > Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery > to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is > asthmatic. I requested oxygen. > L > - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: spaying > > >> Thanks Dede, >> >> I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I >> was still >> worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in >> breathing >> while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be >> carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been >> through in >> her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to >> anything >> that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind >> of in >> disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take >> anything for >> granted anymore when it comes to my pets. >> >> Lynne >> - Original Message - >> From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM >> Subject: Re: spaying >> >> >>> Lynne, >>> >>> I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go >>> to a >> capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, >> she'll be >> fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited >> almost a year >> to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and >> asthma. I was a >> basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they >> used a >> kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now >> 10 yrs >> old...fat and very content. >>> >>> Good luck and God bless. >>> Dede >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only >>> in the >> service of your God" >>>Mosiah 2:17 >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > Subject: spaying >>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all >>> > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need >>> > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our >>> > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I >>> > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's >>> > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 >>> > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. >>> > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it >>> > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took >>> > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had >>> > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had >>> > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was >>> > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got >>> > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo >>> > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it >>> > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and >>> > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize >>> > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us >>> > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think >>> > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little >>> > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a >>> > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me >>> > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the >>> > time in these little meows and you can tell she is really >>> > happy. >>> > >>> > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous >>> > owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was >>> > doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were >>> > lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. >>> > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused >>> > animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, >>> > which was very nice of him. >>> > >>> > Lynne >>> >>> >>> >> _ >> ___ >> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >>> >> >> > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
I will mention that to him when I take her in, but for some reason I believe the technician told me they would be doing that. Lynne - Original Message - From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying > Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove > some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested > oxygen. > L > - Original Message - > From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: spaying > > > > Thanks Dede, > > > > I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still > > worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing > > while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be > > carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through > > in > > her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything > > that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in > > disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for > > granted anymore when it comes to my pets. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: spaying > > > > > >> Lynne, > >> > >> I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a > > capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be > > fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a > > year > > to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was > > a > > basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a > > kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs > > old...fat and very content. > >> > >> Good luck and God bless. > >> Dede > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the > > service of your God" > >>Mosiah 2:17 > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Subject: spaying > >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all > >> > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need > >> > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our > >> > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I > >> > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's > >> > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 > >> > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. > >> > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it > >> > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took > >> > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had > >> > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had > >> > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was > >> > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got > >> > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo > >> > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it > >> > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and > >> > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize > >> > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us > >> > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think > >> > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little > >> > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a > >> > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me > >> > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the > >> > time in these little meows and you can tell she is really > >> > happy. > >> > > >> > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous > >> > owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was > >> > doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were > >> > lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. > >> > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused > >> > animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, > >> > which was very nice of him. > >> > > >> > Lynne > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >> Be a better friend, newshound, and > >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >> > > > > > > > > >
Re: spaying
You should worry. Not because anything is going to go wrong but because that is what a person does when they care about a being. I have a young feral at the vets' now. I have called and checked on her more times than I would care to count. When it is one of my own I pretty well camp out at the vets'. Luckily, when it is one of my own, I take her to vets I have dealt with for years and they know I am nuts and humor me. Unfortunately, the trip is much too long for ferals. They would totally stress out. All you can do is get them the best care you can. You are doing that. She will be home and you will be cuddling her soon. Worrying is just part of loving. Don't be upset with yourself for loving. On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: spaying
Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: spaying > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM > Hi all, > > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the > time in these little meows and you can tell she is really > happy. > > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous > owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was > doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were > lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused > animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, > which was very nice of him. > > Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: spaying
Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying > Lynne, > > I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. > > Good luck and God bless. > Dede > > > > > "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" >Mosiah 2:17 > > > --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: spaying > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all > > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need > > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our > > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I > > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's > > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 > > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. > > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it > > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took > > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had > > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had > > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was > > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got > > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo > > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it > > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and > > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize > > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us > > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think > > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little > > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a > > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me > > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the > > time in these little meows and you can tell she is really > > happy. > > > > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous > > owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was > > doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were > > lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. > > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused > > animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, > > which was very nice of him. > > > > Lynne > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >
Re: spaying
Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: spaying > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM > Hi all, > > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all > the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need > some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our > Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I > signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's > the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 > year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. > We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it > a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took > about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had > basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had > feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was > taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got > her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo > neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it > hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and > even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize > spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us > she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think > we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little > girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a > long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me > every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the > time in these little meows and you can tell she is really > happy. > > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous > owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was > doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were > lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused > animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, > which was very nice of him. > > Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: spaying
They are going to use Buprenex for Frankie. I won't use metacam on my cats. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying ~ bllood work, lysine and meditation
Lynne, I understand. I always insist on blood work up as that will tell you if everything is normal, no matter what the age of the cat. Some vets only want to do this on older cats. I would give her L-lysine twice a day, 500 mg each time until she goes in and for a few days after she gets home (late notice I realize) ~ this is for the herpes. Winston's acts up when he is stressed and he gets stressed going to the vet. I crush a 500mg pill and mix in with canned food. I recommend,if you are so inclined, you turn this over to your higher power, the universe, etc and RELEASE any negative energy you are carrying about this. You don't want Snowy to pick up on your fears. I find I bring to myself those things I fear...Frankie is having a biopsy tomorrow so I am in the midst of this process, too. I practice breathing when I go to that place of fear... I take a breath in and think or say "in with peace" and breathe out and think or say "out with negativity"). The serenity prayer is another way I calm myself. Our best to you and Snowy. Headbutts, Laurie and Frankie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: spaying Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: spaying
Hi, Lynn, Anyone who knows from this list all that you did for BooBoo also knows that Snowy is a lucky kitty to have you. I'm so glad to hear things are going well for her and you. Is she ending up being "your" cat? Best wishes for her next Thursday. So many cats get spayed all the time with no problems. I'm sure she will come through with flying colors. Sue Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: spaying
Kelley, this rescue does the same thing, neuters or spays before the animals are released BUT I so bugged these people about Snowy and practically begged for her, the foster mom and the vet let us have her with the agreement we would bring her in for spaying in April. Dumb me, should have waited the extra couple of weeks and I wouldn't be worrying about this now. I did call the vet the other day and asked if there was any additional risk with her being a persian and basically having "no nose" and they assured me there wasn't. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:50 AM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I know it is scary - I used to be scared to death every time I did it...that's why our rescue does it for people so they come already spayed:) But really it is a very safe procedure..try not to worry TOO much..easier said than done I know! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone".
Re: spaying
Thank you Sharyl. I've written this down and will definitely ask him when I see him about pain meds and the anesthesia. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in som e kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thur sday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever re cover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying
Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying
Hi Lynne, I know it is scary - I used to be scared to death every time I did it...that's why our rescue does it for people so they come already spayed:) But really it is a very safe procedure..try not to worry TOO much..easier said than done I know! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess > this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming > Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the > contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued > girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared > to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet > thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about > a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage > until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection > when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. > I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have > fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm > wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I > realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would > be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an > amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for > a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when > I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you > can tell she is really happy. > > The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last > week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He > commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. > She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said > she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. > > Lynne > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone".
spaying
Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: re spaying my kitten
Hopefully I'm not repeating something here, but we've had 2 young females (both approx 8 mos) in 2 different feral colonies recently with pyometra. One was obviously ill and close to death. The other was just dumb luck - trapped her expecting a routine spay and was very surprised to find out. Both cats survived. But that's another reason to tip the spay or not scale. Janine --- Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases > the risk of cancer. I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+ > females spayed per the vets recommendation. One has > already gone into heat. Her appetite was affected > and she seemed pretty stressed out. There is a risk > to any surgery. You just have to make the best > decision you can with your vet's help. > Sharyl Sissy and Rocket > > catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would spay. I think your vet would tell you > if there were any problem and would persuade you not > to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's > risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is > also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my > positive cats spayed. > > tonya > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kathy, personally, unless she has had > bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat > on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that > the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat > than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had > to do it again, I would never have had my positive > male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced > leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused > him many additional problems that hastened his > death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger > procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an > indoor cat only and you are willing to go through > heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I > now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes > Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her > for a week. I am not even going to think about > spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in > excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even > consider it. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: Kathy Dillard > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM > Subject: re spaying my kitten > > > My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She > has tested positive for feline leukemia and is > currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has > recommended having her spayed . Please advise and > discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and > scared about having this procedure done but want to > do the right thing for Foxy. > > kathy > > - > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: re spaying my kitten
I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases the risk of cancer. I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+ females spayed per the vets recommendation. One has already gone into heat. Her appetite was affected and she seemed pretty stressed out. There is a risk to any surgery. You just have to make the best decision you can with your vet's help. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would spay. I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and would persuade you not to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my positive cats spayed. tonya Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: re spaying my kitten
Many members keep their positive cats on interferon. tonya Kathy Dillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy - Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
I would spay. I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and would persuade you not to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my positive cats spayed. tonya Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: re spaying my kitten
I think there is one kind of interferon (cat rather than human) that is given
daily and much more expensive.
others may know more about that particular interferon.
L
- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because
of complications with FIP and his leukemia.
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off.
- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have
put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually
I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy
positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to
bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her
sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she
tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her
on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?
Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings
about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very
nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no
cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do
get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine
blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia
positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent
and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is.
I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed
everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little
paranoid these days.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs)
and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not
spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it
does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time
Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< STYLE>
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is
the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that
the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male
neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do
it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: re spaying my kitten
My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want
to do the right thing for Foxy.
kathy
Never miss a thing. Make
Re: re spaying my kitten
That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of complications with FIP and his leukemia. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off.
- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put
him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I
gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy
positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring
her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed.
I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested
positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on
interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?
Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about
it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous
about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause
for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her
spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work
done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat,
around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was
going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had
a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything
went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these
days.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and
the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not
spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it
does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time
Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< STYLE>
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male
neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do
it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Kathy Dillard
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: re spaying my kitten
My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want
to do the right thing for Foxy.
kathy
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
kathy
Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for
one month at no cost.
kathy
Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of
Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
I've usually have mine spayed/neutered. Never seems to have a negative effect. I have Calawalla Banana spayed at about 6 months - one of my first FELV kitties - she was perky and healthy, came thru it like a champ. Vet said it would avoid the stress of going into heat, etc. That was a few years ago. I couldn't believe that she'd be dead at 3 yrs, or Mediastinal Lymphoma. I do think the interferon does help, I wasn't using it at that time. Gloria At 06:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kathy Dillard To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kathy Dillard To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy [] Never miss a thing. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy [] Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47522/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com>Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy [] Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47521/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com>No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy - Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < STYLE> Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
Re: re spaying my kitten
She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
Re: re spaying my kitten
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions about Spaying
Hooray! Congratulations on the neg IFA result! I haven't been able to keep up on the list and just read the entire thread. I suspect, since you had Pippin tested at 7 weeks that the faint pos was from her mother's antibodies and not really an felv infection at all. She's been healthy and strong. I understand being cautious, we all do, but I think you are probably as safe as you can be in having her spayed. 7 mos is not too young, actually, I've found the younger they are, the quicker they bounce back from the surgery. Every cat is different, but if you've never had to live through a cat in heat, then you can't imagine how stressful it can be, (for everyone!). As far as leaving her overnight... I always insist on picking my kids up as soon as possible after surgery. Have them monitor her while she's coming out of anesthesia, but when she's awake, take her home to recuperate. Most vet's don't have round the clock supervision anyway. Make sure someone will be monitoring her all night long, if they won't, then take her home! You will do a much better job of keeping an eye on her and it will be much less stressful for her. The only benefit would be that she would definitely be confined, (Mom might relent on that one). Just make sure she stays quiet. If they don't have 24/7 attendants at your clinic, then she would be better off with you watching her, you could always run her to the ER if something seemed off to you. I have a very strong feeling that's not going to happen. I have had trouble with the pain patch. It can be too strong and some animals have a bad reaction to them. I'd go with the oral meds and let her behavior be your guide with how much you give her. I'm so thrilled to hear that she's tested neg!! Don't worry too much about when you have her spayed. This little girl is going to be just fine. Hugs to you and Pippin! Nina Gina WN wrote: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV. We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA. The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her. I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely. Should we be celebrating?! :) At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed. She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication. Is there anything else I should ask for? I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable. What is the name of it? After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable? She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion. Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate? Any suggestions would be appreciated :) Thank you! Gina
Re: Information re: Pippin's spay and more questions about spaying
Just make sure you let them know that they are authorized to perform all means necessary to pull her through if she crashes. Some vets do not "try" to "bring them back" like you expect with humans. Most vets don't even HAVE automatic respirator units or defibrillators. Sad, but true. I engrave all the cat name tags on the back side with the emergency vet number and the phrase "Use all means necessary to save cat!", and I also have that on my file, so if my cats end up at the clinic without me (heaven forbid a natural disaster or fire or something), they will get the care without my signature on the intake form. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
Re: Information re: Pippin's spay and more questions about spaying
Thank you :) I will gather all the suggestions and concerns I get from our list. Then I will ask for a phone consult with my vet before I make the appt. Gina kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 05:59 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote:Iso is good, Sevoflourane is a but better but many do not have it. Find out if they moniter her Oxygen while she is under, Ask for desolving sutures. I think having an IV line and fluids running is grea and then you have IV access should you need it, Prophylactic antibiotics issomething I like to see used.Kelly I called my vet to ask more questions about the spaying procedures they use. This is what they said: *The anesthetic used is "Isofourane" gas. That is the only anesthetic they offer for spay; they feel it is the safest*A full blood panel (when requested) is done in the morning before the surgery.*Fluids (when requested) are given during and right after surgery.*The pain medication given (when requested) is "Medicam" liquid, given orally. I am going to request the complete blood panel, the fluids and the pain medication for Pippin. Their operating procedure is that I would take her in the morning. They do the blood panel. If it comes back "normal", then they do the surgery. I can pick her up the next morning (appx. 24 hrs later) if she checks out okay. They said that they recommend she be kept quiet for 7 - 10 days after the surgery, preferably in a room away from the other cats (since I explained that she is very hyper and likes to play and rough house with my other cats.) Pippin is currently on L-lysine; is there any other supplement I should put her on before the surgery? I'm looking at the second week in December for her spay--a month from now--as my schedule at work is stable until then. After that, I change schedules and my job function itself is changing. What other questions do I need to ask my vet? Does anyone have any suggestions or concerns about their procedures or the anesthetic/drugs used? Thanks :)GinaVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at ZazzleCheck out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Information re: Pippin's spay and more questions about spaying
At 05:59 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: Iso is good, Sevoflourane is a but better but many do not have it. Find out if they moniter her Oxygen while she is under, Ask for desolving sutures. I think having an IV line and fluids running is grea and then you have IV access should you need it, Prophylactic antibiotics issomething I like to see used. Kelly I called my vet to ask more questions about the spaying procedures they use. This is what they said: *The anesthetic used is "Isofourane" gas. That is the only anesthetic they offer for spay; they feel it is the safest *A full blood panel (when requested) is done in the morning before the surgery. *Fluids (when requested) are given during and right after surgery. *The pain medication given (when requested) is "Medicam" liquid, given orally. I am going to request the complete blood panel, the fluids and the pain medication for Pippin. Their operating procedure is that I would take her in the morning. They do the blood panel. If it comes back "normal", then they do the surgery. I can pick her up the next morning (appx. 24 hrs later) if she checks out okay. They said that they recommend she be kept quiet for 7 - 10 days after the surgery, preferably in a room away from the other cats (since I explained that she is very hyper and likes to play and rough house with my other cats.) Pippin is currently on L-lysine; is there any other supplement I should put her on before the surgery? I'm looking at the second week in December for her spay--a month from now--as my schedule at work is stable until then. After that, I change schedules and my job function itself is changing. What other questions do I need to ask my vet? Does anyone have any suggestions or concerns about their procedures or the anesthetic/drugs used? Thanks :) Gina Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
Information re: Pippin's spay and more questions about spaying
I called my vet to ask more questions about the spaying procedures they use. This is what they said: *The anesthetic used is "Isofourane" gas. That is the only anesthetic they offer for spay; they feel it is the safest *A full blood panel (when requested) is done in the morning before the surgery. *Fluids (when requested) are given during and right after surgery. *The pain medication given (when requested) is "Medicam" liquid, given orally. I am going to request the complete blood panel, the fluids and the pain medication for Pippin. Their operating procedure is that I would take her in the morning. They do the blood panel. If it comes back "normal", then they do the surgery. I can pick her up the next morning (appx. 24 hrs later) if she checks out okay. They said that they recommend she be kept quiet for 7 - 10 days after the surgery, preferably in a room away from the other cats (since I explained that she is very hyper and likes to play and rough house with my other cats.) Pippin is currently on L-lysine; is there any other supplement I should put her on before the surgery? I'm looking at the second week in December for her spay--a month from now--as my schedule at work is stable until then. After that, I change schedules and my job function itself is changing. What other questions do I need to ask my vet? Does anyone have any suggestions or concerns about their procedures or the anesthetic/drugs used? Thanks :) GinaVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions about Spaying
Gina, Congrats on the negative test!!! Yea!!! I think the anesthetic you are talking about is ISO gas, but someone here might correct me. Also, fluids before, during, and after the spay more specifically. The vet will tell you to confine her for a few days, so your room might be a great idea. It's softer than the bathroom. Unless she's acting like a wild woman after you let her out of her crate into your room, she should be fine out of the crate. If not, you'll have to put her back in. She'll probably sleep a lot the first day home anyway. It takes time for any anesthesia to get totally out of the system. Good luck!!! :) Wendy Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions about Spaying ... Hideyo
Hi Hideyo, How old do you think Pippin should be before I get her spayed? She will be 7 months old on the 25th of this month. I don't want to rush her, but I didn't know if I should do it before she starts going into heat? Your advice is very much appreciated :) Gina Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I would personally recommend that you wait to spay her for a little longer I dont know how long she is.. but unless its absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is tested negative for the test. and if you still go ahead and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is reduced.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV. We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA. The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her. I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely. Should we be celebrating?! :) At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed. She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication. Is there anything else I should ask for? I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable. What is the name of it? After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable? She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion. Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate? Any suggestions would be appreciated :) Thank you!Gina Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions about Spaying
I would personally recommend that you wait to spay her for a little longer – I don’t know how long she is.. but unless it’s absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is tested negative for the test. – and if you still go ahead and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is reduced.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WN Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV. We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA. The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her. I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely. Should we be celebrating?! :) At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed. She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication. Is there anything else I should ask for? I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable. What is the name of it? After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable? She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion. Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate? Any suggestions would be appreciated :) Thank you! Gina Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions about Spaying
Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV. We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA. The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her. I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely. Should we be celebrating?! :) At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed. She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication. Is there anything else I should ask for? I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable. What is the name of it? After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable? She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion. Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate? Any suggestions would be appreciated :) Thank you! Gina Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Pippin, spaying
Hi Gina, Happy to hear that Pippin is doing well! I am kind of learning as I go, so others might have better advice on spaying. I'm going to write Nina next to ask her advice myself. I think the most important thing is to make sure and have the pre-op blood work done. And to make sure they use a good gas (Moxy had isoflurane sp? which is good, there might be one that is even a little better, but I can't remember what it's called). And IV fluids are good too. Afterwards, if it is possible for you, clear out a spare room for the first couple of days of recovery. It may not be necessary for Pippin, but it can give you some piece of mind that any small swelling that appears isn't a hernia from jumping. Moxy even surprised the vet with how lively she was as soon as she woke up from her spay, never slowed down at all. I tried putting her in the laundry room to separate her from the other kittens, but the itty bitty thing leapt straight up onto the washer and scared the out of me. So, she got any empty room with a rug and cat bed after the hip surgery. I'll post my experience with Will as soon as it happens (next week?), Beth "Beth, I'm so glad to hear the good news about Will Feral. I hope Moxy will be okay with her heart murmer. I was LOL re: Will and the lettuce "mouse"! My Pippin will be 6 months on the 25th of this month. I too am afraid about getting her fixed. Do you have any advice about that? She's doing so well so far. She's on L-Lysine and a good diet. Gina"
