Stumbled upon this video on YT -- it may be of interest to several
FreeDOS users:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0otktPOVRc
"$9 DOS Retro Gaming PC with the HP t5530 Thin Client"
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> NT 10h has only some window scrolling/clearing functions. And you can
> query/position the cursor. [..]
> That windowing function that Jim referenced in his little sample program
> is one that does the basic window management for you. But this will only
> work if you are using library functions
> The content will indeed wrap, just on a per-character basis instead of
> per-word. It functions exactly how wrapping does when printing to the entire
> screen.
Which exactly BIOS/DOS interrupt/function you mean? Just made a short
test using int 10h/06
and it doesn't work that way.
It makes a
> If you're speaking purely about limiting the cursor to the bounds of the
> current window (which is what I believe you're referring to), yes I believe
> it does do that much, if I remember correctly.
>
> However, if you're referring to some kind of "smart" word wrap ability, the
> answer is no.
>> > Do you want to do this as part of a program you are writing (such as
>> > conio?)
>>
>> Indeed, I was pondering is it available as some (at the moment still
>> unknown to me) interrupt/function.
>>
>
> I just replied with a sample C program that demonstrates how to do
> this with conio in
> Do you want to do this as part of a program you are writing (such as
> conio?)
Indeed, I was pondering is it available as some (at the moment still
unknown to me) interrupt/function.
> or do you want to do this in a batch file?
Do you mean some escape-sequence allow this?
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Googling around gave no result. It seems it doesn't exist „ready for
use”, so just to make sure:
does DOS/BIOS offer any possibility to set active screen output
„window” — I mean something like BIOS int 10h/06-07 — but trapping
cursor inside?
What I mean is using all the ordinary functions that do
a dynamic
> libraries. I'm not saying it's impossible, just tough. AFAICT nobody has
> done that to date.
Probably nobody ever will until Elon Musk (or Branson) offers a "bounty" ;)
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I was a little bit overjoyed I've found "the final solution" :]
Well at least it's confirmed it works under DOS' control. Though not 100%
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2015-11-09 14:07 GMT+01:00, Don Flowers :
> Yeah, I should have mentioned that my PC has an onboard Intel 82567LM-3 for
> which there seems to be no DOS option for connectivity and the sound is HD
> and unrecognisableed by either MPXPlay or Mplayer, I have at least one game
>
2015-11-11 12:27 GMT+01:00, Mateusz Viste :
> That's nice to know, thanks for the links! I don't think though that
> anyone will want to spend $500+ for a retro home machine (which
> incidentally wouldn't be that retro any more) :)
I'm going to :) it'll be a "spacesaver" -
2014-11-23 21:16 GMT+01:00, Dennis Holierhoek dennis...@hotmail.com:
But can it also run 8-bit programs? And 4-bit?
Trust me: even 2-bit binaries like this: 00101010101011101010101011.
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2014-09-14 22:48 GMT+02:00, Krys Garnett krys.garn...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I'm resurrecting an old desktop for a distraction free environment
and I'm wondering whether it is easier or more useful to use Freedos
or MS DOS 6.22, which I have the original 3.5 disks for.
The system is a Tandon 386SX,
2014-08-14 13:00 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
But of course it doesn't mean FM is poor by nature - I totally agree it
can be used for really nice tunes. I even heard very nice music coming
out of my Famicom 25 years ago. But this doesn't mean FM (or the
Famicom) won't sound poor
2014-08-14 21:41 GMT+02:00, John Ames commodorej...@gmail.com:
The problem with this line of argument is that FM is quite capable of
providing a wide variety of sounds, including passable mimicries of
many traditional instruments. (The simplified two-operator FM in PC
sound cards
2014-08-12 22:54 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
I think you should rely on FM synth (0x388 IIRC) for playback, or provide a
configurable
setting to the user: MPU/FM. Of course FM quality is poor
Not really: it is just _different_. Of course, it is poor as long, as
you expect it
2014-08-04 12:18 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
Here below I list all methods that have been mentioned, along with a
short comment on each.
* Floppies/CD (Zbigniew, Rugxulo)
- really slow. floppies are hard to get nowadays. Burning a CD every
time I need to transfer a few
2014-08-04 16:23 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
A samba share is another very valid approach, although IIRC there's not
much 'free' alternatives there, and the only serious driver (from MS)
consumes lots of conventional memory which I'd prefer to keep for other
usages...
2014-07-17 16:02 GMT+02:00, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net:
The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest
firmware. I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose
without legacy ATA support.
Maybe the best idea could be... to call techsupport of
2014-06-22 0:54 GMT+02:00, Christopher Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com:
No, But I use cvgalib in BC4, cvgalib is in development and has no font
support yet.
https://github.com/axiomfinity/cvgalib
Interesting.
Not being (yet) able to fix the BGI drivers by myself, I continued the
search for the
2014-06-30 19:19 GMT+02:00, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com:
Hi,
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Zbigniew zbigniew2...@gmail.com wrote:
No, no such exotic options,
Well, I would maybe recommend I=TEST X=TEST.
I used - and still use - exactly the two above.
IIRC, 4DOS can swap out (since it's
2014-06-29 14:04 GMT+02:00, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de:
Most probably because you use printf().
It seems, not too much I can do about this using Turbo C:
1. Compilation of Hello, world! containing printf gave around 370
bytes for OBJ, and 8.3k for EXE.
2. The same when replaced printf
What I also noticed, Turbo C 2.01 doesn't like JEMMEX - while having
around 32 MB of EMS and 1 GB of XMS, I cannot switch to shell from its
IDE; it complained: not enough memory, press Esc.
No such problem when using XMGR instead of JEMMEX.
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2014-06-29 15:25 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
I am not sure it's related to the XMS manager you use.
Unfortunately, it seems to be related.
It's rather a matter of the amount of conventional memory you have.
No, it was what I checked first before posting.
Maybe when using
2014-06-29 21:16 GMT+02:00, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com:
I don't know which versions exactly, but AFAIK, Turbo C tries to use
EMS by default (if found) but not XMS (without some cmdline switches).
So who knows if it's getting confused here. Remember that 32 MB of EMS
is a lot (to it)!
Are you
2014-06-28 9:11 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
About VGA - simply because I needed 256 colors to make sudoku86 look
pleasent. But I do plan implementing CGA support soon (but it will be
deadly ugly).
Not much sense. Probably no one but you will try it on ugly CGA.
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Solved - the problem was in totally different place, than I was
looking for it: misdeclaration of variable types in auxiliary function
holeParameter. It should have been look like this:
void holeParameter(unsigned char *pzeilen, unsigned char *pspalten,
char *argv[]) {
unsigned char
2014-06-28 14:44 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
On 06/28/2014 11:59 AM, Zbigniew wrote:
Not much sense. Probably no one but you will try it on ugly CGA.
Yes, I don't have any doubts about this.
But looking that way, developing on DOS in 2014 doesn't make any sense
either
2014-06-28 15:45 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
About size - you should probably get it down a few KiB by compiling into
a COM binary. From what I saw, you don't use any memory segments, just
(plenty of) INT calls, so a COM would fit perfectly. Just add -mt -lt to
your tcc call.
2014-06-29 1:13 GMT+02:00, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com:
Turbo Pascal has a smartlinker while Turbo C does not.
Actually, I wasn't aware that Pascal compilers are that smart - for
example: while searching for some more info, just discovered a Pascal
compiler for... 8051, which is very
As a little exercise I translated a small EMODE utlity from German
c't magazine. The listing you can see here:
http://tinyurl.com/meyq7yb
Unfortunately, my version doesn't work as expected; it seems to try to
change the text mode of VGA card, but reports Abnormal program
termination in the end.
2014-06-25 8:23 GMT+02:00, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure of the exact list of people who can import an .LSM into
the FreeDOS Software List, but it's a very very small group. At least,
I've never done it (yet).
Well, it's worthy. See how concise Forth can be, on an example:
1.
2014-06-25 17:38 GMT+02:00, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org:
Of the three Forth compilers you mentioned, I appreciate that 4th is free
software (GNU GPL v3) and appears to be updated. DX Forth seems to have a
vague license disclaimer; the intent seems to be public domain, but the
author
2014-06-23 0:03 GMT+02:00, Rugxulo:
So, just to be clear, this is the TC 2.01 IDE only? So non-IDE cmdline
compilation (tcc + tlink) is normal speed?
Actually you're right: while compiling from command line, there's no
(noticeable) difference.
Have you tried other TC versions, e.g. TC++
Browsing the list, I can't see any Forth compilers! I would to
recommend listing at least 3 of them, actively developed:
- DX Forth - http://www.netbay.com.au/~dxforth/
- 4th - http://thebeez.home.xs4all.nl/4tH/
- CHForth - http://www.forth.hcc.nl/w/Producten/CHForth
I think, the three mentioned
Anyone of you was successful in using the improved BGI drivers from
http://www.von-bassewitz.de/uz/bgi.php with Turbo C 2.01? I have
trouble with this - but maybe I'm missing something simple?
The demo program svgademo.exe (precompiled binary included in the
package) works OK - but still no luck
C compiling at its normal
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The problems, that I was writing about lately, are caused by 4DOS'
tinkering with Timer 0. Ed (DXForth creator) sent to me a little
utility to check out; it's short Forth listing, but most is assembler:
#v+
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\
\ Compile with DX.EXE - INCLUDE GM.F
1. Its history records empty lines (e.g. when one hits Enter) -
I think, there's no need for that. It should record a line only in
case, when after eliminating blank characters (CR, LF, space...) from
both ends, its length still remains 0.
2. Could it be made to use slash as separator in
program in subdirectory DATE shall be executed
My personal vote would be for bringing a little more order, I mean: to
suppress recognizing such input as option, if slash is directly after
some string of characters - in such case path recognition should be
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2012/3/11, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl:
Please let us know if/when you're able to pinpoint a culprit.
You might want to start with a MSDOS/Win9x bootdisk (www.bootdisk.com)
to eliminate FreeDOS components as the culprit, and to have a proven
reference platform.
With a help of Ed (DXForth
:
There is also Geoworks Ensemble (still didn't try it yet):
http://www.breadbox.com/
The light version available to download at no cost.
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There are various tools for Windows/Linux, which can display actual
CPU workload. Since DOS doesn't do multitasking, my guess is, that
here external utility won't be of any use. But DOS-program could
have it built-in. Could someone tell me the basic algorithm, which
could be used in DOS
2012/3/28, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de:
Actually you can use FDAPM for that: While the APMDOS
function is active, FDAPM keeps MSDOS POWER compatible
statistics of which percentage of the timer tick time
slices contains signs of DOS and the apps being idle.
In such situations, the cpu is
2012/3/28, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com:
While it *can* be done, I'm not sure why you want to.
On a multi-tasking OS like Windows or Linux, I'll use Process Explorer
(Win) or top (Linux), to get an idea of which programs are hitting the
CPU.
This time I would compare, how much CPU
2012/3/28, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de:
You do not have to explicitly program anything for this:
Just run FDAPM APMDOS at some time, e.g. in your autoexec
and then run FDAPM STATS to see how much of the time the
CPU was idle - to be exact, which percentage of the time
slices contained any
2012/3/28, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com:
Since DOS environments typically don't multitask, there's no need to
time applications as they consume CPU resources and preempt them to let
other applications run. [..]
Ability to detect heavy CPU load can be important information
You know: graphics is one thing - this is just actual fun project -
but being able to detect instantly the weak place in program, which is
causing unnecessarily high CPU load (say: looping for a key without
any pause 10 ms), is the other useful thing. Then actually I'm
looking for something of
2012/3/28, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl:
In-app profiling, or using a debugger maybe, could help.
Otherwise, run DOS and your program inside an emulator
(QEMU/Bochs/DosEMU) and get detailed output (timestamped logfiles) from
that.
But of course using debugger I can check this in its every
2012/3/15, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net:
Do you use 4DOS with any special parameters on startup?
SHELLHIGH=c:\fdos\bin\4dos.com c:\fdos\bin /E:1024 /P=C:\autoexec.bat
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Problem (seems to be) solved.
Formerly I was using a line:
INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\UIDE2.SYS
...and this made problems. When I replaced INSTALLHIGH with DEVICEHIGH
- there are no problems anymore.
I thought, that INSTALL and DEVICE keywords are synonyms for
fdconfig.sys file, since I was very
2012/3/15, Jack gykazequ...@earthlink.net:
Why, after using UltraDMA and caching,
would anyone ever WANT to unload such a driver??!!
Well, yes, this is the question.
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But personally I can't see a reason to dispose of such low footprint
driver on the fly; that's why I wrote this is the question.
Yes, I'm going to use UIDE2 rather than LBACACHE exactly because it
takes less memory. BTW: there are many (of course, it's very good to
have a choice :) drivers for
the cache [..]
Thanks, I think, that it could be worthy to add this comment to UIDE-s
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even DOS software gets slower and bloatier over time.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my writing: that pauses occur, for
example, even when I've got to save just edited autoexec.bat - then
we're talking about 2 KB (or so) text file.
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output of my NEW file, then it deletes all
its temporary files! Perhaps your editor does a LOT of such work,
whenever you finally output a new edited file.
I noticed that pauses while using edit shipped with FreeDOS - can it
really be that slow when saving edited file?
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2012/3/16, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com:
It shouldn't pause at all if using a generic hard drive, but perhaps
yours is flash-based, e.g. USB or SSD?? If not, then it's some other
conflict.
No, STM3320418AS is just common internal HDD, got it attached to
on-board controller. That's why I was
with XMGR - it won't break, but mem /c/p
reveals nothing with name UIDE* in memory.
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there is immediately error message below: Jemmex: exception 06
occured at... blah, blah... (many interesting codes) - then Press
ESC to abort program.
This happens only when I'm trying to use any of UIDE*-s. I was using
UIDE2.SYS with no additional parameters in fdconfig.sys line.
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for
described problem. Be it FreeDOS or MS-DOS - contrary to my
yesterday's report. Sorry. :(
Then there is some strange issue just with 4DOS as command shell.
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in certain
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2012/3/13, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net:
So far, this rather looks like a problem with 4DOS, not with JEMM as
I initially suspected... :?
Under FreeDOS problems were with JEMM or 4DOS - either of both was
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a feeling, there is something worthy a fix.
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: no idea, how this can be dependent on
the shell - but _yes_, it's enough to replace command.com with 4DOS as
shell in fdconfig.sys, and there is that slow-down again. I think,
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at all. I think, it's much better card for DOS/Win(95,98,2000,XP) -
and perhaps even for Linux (didn't test it under Linux yet) - than
SB-Live. It gives sound of better quality, and - remember - SB doesn't
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[..]
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2011/9/14, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com:
[..] One interesting option on say a quad
core system is to have the 32 bit OS partition the memory, the monitor,
the hard disk, and the cpu cores so you can have multiple concurrent 16
bit Freedos instances.
Something similar have
2011/9/14, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com:
[..] I'd say that Freedos has it's
uses, but without active development on a variant that can take
advantage of multiple cores and modern hardware, there are probably a
dwindling number of uses for it. Without hardware protection and
2011/9/6, Jeffrey ellsn...@aol.com:
Where did you get the manual?
I downloaded the pdf from their website, but it was encrypted and required a
password.
No, not at all - downloaded the manual exactly from the website:
http://www.icarosdesktop.com/icarosfiles/IcarosDesktop_manual.pdf
Maybe
2011/8/27, Jeffrey ellsn...@aol.com:
I use lxde on ubuntu 11.04 and it seems fairly lightweight. There is
also damnsmall linux which can run firefox on a pentium.
Out of curiosity just downloaded Icaros Desktop Light 1.3.0 - in its
manual one can read:
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2011/9/4, James jh...@freedos.org:
Both working here, too.
With - AND WITHOUT - www prefix?
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Can you mention some pros and cons, in particular of the lesser
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Okay, menuetOS was mentioned by someone else and I've heard of it, but I
don't know much about it.
A fork of
I noticed, that the main site is visible as www.freedos.org - but
not as freedos.org (without www). Maybe a little correction is
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2011/8/20, Michael C. Robinson:
A thought experiment, could a 32 bit version of Freedos with a version
of Opengem that can support modern hardawre run on one processor
core while dos command lines that are actually full blown dos run on
the other processor cores? [..]
It would be nice if
2011/8/20, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com:
I'm thinking of modern video cards and multiple core processors.
[..] I'm thinking that Freedos should be able to support
multiple processing cores and other modern hardware. OpenGem should be
upgraded to work on 32 or 64 bit
2011/8/20, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com:
ReactOS is possibly a decade out from being stable. I probably can't
even compile an installable ISO right now. It isn't entirely clear why,
but the ReactOS project is hitting some major show stoppers.
I'm afraid, that the major
the cards
collected during the years can still be used. In fact, I bought two
such motherboards, to have spare one, since most probably it isn't
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Tried several times to use ordinary Soundblaster Live! under DOS -
and _never_ was able to make any use out of this card under DOS.
Maybe someone of you managed to configure this card for DOS? Just out
of curiosity, since I've got ISA cards, that I'm using with no
problems whatsoever - but I'm
fvwm2 instead ok
KDE it'll be running perfectly). With no graphic even 8 MB RAM will
do.
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2011/4/11, Eric Auer:
Finally about two other Zbigniew topics: You should not use 2 GB
FAT16 partitions, those still have very large clusters. Better use
FAT32 partitions of only a few GB at most if you want to have a
system with small clusters. Of course the FAT might be bigger
it was not a desirable goal for my management.
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Yes, maybe rant was wrong term indeed (be tolerant to non-native
speaker ;) - since it was rather memories, and an attempt to make a
diagnosis of the situation in computer industry.
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2011/3/13, Mateusz Viste:
Maybe. But it's still nice to lower the temperature of the chip, to make it
last longer, and not warm up components that are around it. Plus, it's
always
a little more electricity saved. Running FDAPM costs nothing, and provides
cool advantages. There's no reason to
I read, that the source of CPU (over)heating problems under original
MS/PC-DOS was the fact, that its waiting for key-loop (or however it
is called) didn't set CPU idle, when user (or application) was idle.
For example: when the computer has been left with the cursor blinking
in the command line.
2011/3/12, Eric Auer:
I'm wondering, whether this misfeature has been fixed in FreeDOS?
Yes! The good news is that newer FreeDOS kernels even have a simple
version built into the kernel itself. [..]
Good news! Well, I should have googling for FreeDOS idle CPU,
instead of DOS idle CPU. ;)
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