Even as far back as XP, the dos emulator(NTVDM) would not allow certain low
level operations, and would abort; oddly, the XP will allow
the interrupts for mousing, but reject others. Odd because with some
imagination, even the inocuouse int33 for mouse can vector malware.
Have an old 80 gig hard drive with an HPA(host protected access) partition,
which is wasting space; tried to use linux function 'hdparm'
on it using an ide/usb adapter, but recieved message bad or missing sense
data, exactly what I get with flash drives and sd cards.
Threw the drive in an old
I too have always used xp on fat! As for ide to sata adapter, the sata
machine is too cramped to fit it. As for wipe, is that a dos app? Are you
sure it could remove the HPA partition? I have already used a bootable
cd with active killdisk to wipe the drive, but, ostensibly, regular wipers
cannot
I have used unetbootin to put freedos on the stick; works well.
the problem is with the flash drives themselves
Older drives were simple, with no HPA(host protected access) partitions.
Most of the current crop of these drives have this garbage on them,
and what's worse, it seems to bee mask
I too have had blinking-cursor-hang;PloP boot manager will often, but not
always succeed in mounting/loading a usb. I suspect that the main problem
with the usb stick is that it often contains
an HPA partition. If the usb truly behaved as a hard drive, you could
eliminate the HPA. When using
Ruxolo,
Tried mint forum; in two weeks 25 views,no replies.
No mint after 12 fits on cd(want mint because of mate-gnome desktop). The
12 has gnome three/awful..
Did manage to boot from external dvd using PLoP, choosing 'plopkexec'
option.
I'm just going crazy to see if there is a way to make
Forgive the boobing of the subject line; and to make myself clearer:
I am not trying to install linux in windows/dos; puppy linux does that
exquisiitley.
Imagine you have an old w98 install cd. You could install from the disk,
but it is more efficient to *copy* the files from the install cd to a
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Actually, the packet reloader script should *not* be in dillo.bat, since it
would 0ccur every time the browser was reopened; the packet reloader should
be invoked in a bat which opens xfdos.
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The good news: this is one neat production; especially for it's small size.
I really appreciate it's built in abilty,with drivers to set up the NIC
card.
The bad news: although my usb mouse works perfectly with xfdos overall, the
fun starts in dillio. Sometimes it works, but sometimes(especially
Thank you Eric for making my life easier; I can read a.txt into an array,
and if array[0]==NULL,
I know which letter is the first invalid one; again, TNX.
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Sent this to devel instead of user;
I had answered my own question:
the command:
find . | cpio --create --format='newc' /path/to/newinitrd
works so long as it is executed from the directory containing the files to
be wriiten to the new initrd;
otherwise, it looks all over for cpio archives; at
Trying to make a micro-pupplet to furnish usb functionality in dos;
in this regard, had to edit an initrd.gz which began at 1.9 MB. Working in
mint 14, used extract here
in gui to get initrd from 'initrd.gz. The initrd was 2.7 MB;discarding
that, put the initrd.gz into:
/mnt/casper, to get
Exactly *where* is the string of characters for the path variable stored?
For that matter, where are stdin/out/and err?
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Cognitive disonance, I guess.
Figured out how to use the open/create button(gui version). Can indeed
create a v-disk from scratch,
or open an img and modify the contents.
Best of all the fdread utility works perfectly at making an img from a
virtual floppy, as I can't
seem to make the windows
If anyone out there is familiar with vfd(virtual floppy disk), I create the
floppy, and associate it with
the 'send to' item in the right click, but when I try to send a file into
the virtual floppy, I get the box:
please insert a disk into drive: x
This happens whether I name the drive A,B, or
Bernd and Dennis,
This all started when I tried to use a USB floppy with an '07 amd64
dell; I *used* to just use
fdread from Feinman's createcd133, which flawlessly created an .img from
a real floppy in the drive.
I can actually boot this machine from a bootable floppy, yet the fdread
The experience was quite limited
Had two old dell's with pentium, one a pentium two, ans a newer('07) dell
with amd duo-core;
installation took the same amount of time;
bootup on the p4 was almost as fast as on the amd;
bootup on the p2 was more than a minute;
elementary usage(file
XP2 will run in as little as 100 mb.
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The grub4dos approach is the best, since you can boot anything with it; if
that doesn't appeal to you,
I would say install the 98 first, as it was designed to commandeer the
entire works; the freedos stuff can be copied to the c drive *after an
initial installation/backup of the freedos, which is
Believe it or not, the xp ntvdm allows the int33 for mouse calls; I wrote a
lite gui which mimics
dos, but in upper and lower bilateral windows, and lets you select the
entries with the mouse.
The thing is written in C(djgpp), but makes extensive use of dos batchfiles.
As touchy as xp ntvdm
Bruce, et al,
I have reinstalled XP hundreds of times, and I always preformat the XP's
partition(usually c)
with fat32; this forces the XP install to give the option to install XP on
fat32, which I always choose.
it may be that some windows apps *must* run in ntfs, but I've never used
one.
As
I just found that ImgBurn 2.4.2.0 can create/ burn img's, after you've
edited the files by the aforementioned method; and MagicDisk 2.7.106 is
said to do the same. They are both windows setups. I will try them.
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The magicdisk appears to be a hack; from some of it's online description,
probably from Asia, judging by grammatical errors. It does'nt work right:
when you click on the shortcut, it only puts a virtual cd in the task
panel, and keeps trying to access the internet. Fortunately, I
where *have* you been?.
There's this kid. Doesn't say much. In fact as time goes by, the family
sees that he doesn't say anything. Figuring something is wrong they take
him to one specialist after another; same result;
doesn't speak. Finally, in desperation, they mortgage the house and take
him
Amazing; never knew this capability existed in XP:
1. )right-click 'my computer';
2.) click 'storage;
3.) click 'disk management'.
shows 'drive 0(C drive) and drive 1(usb hdd);
Under 'actions', you can delete/create new/format, works perfectly. I
wonder if is is still in vista-7-8?
Tnx all,
Actually, i'm using the external hdd on a dual boot, and of course the
dos/xp side doesn't even see the ext. The thing is, even the ubuntu won't
allow any read write from/to linux. So, I would like
to delete the ext and replace with fat. I do have a ubcd live cd with pated
magic/gparted, but I
I just got an external hdd enclosure; had a hard drive from a machine with
a blown mobo, and put it in the enclosure. Problem is it still has an
ext3/ext4 linux on it, eating up 25 GB. I can read write to
the dos partition with it's logical drives, but using the ext is a no-no.
My question is
Thank you Tom.
Actually, I also used the 'hidemouse' subfunction; I didn't know it would
*terminate* the mouse function. I am surprised to learn of the
multiple-calls-to-it aspect. The idea of setting cx=0 is interesting,
but I fear to do it since I've been using the int by way of the UNION regs
Am writing a C program which makes use of int33h; using union
regs/int86.Trouble is there is a subfunction to initialize the mouse, but I
see none to terminate it. The problem is that when the C
program terminates, the mouse stays on, at least for a time(like a tsr).
Once in a great while, I tap
Fellas, tnx; I didn't realize dircmd had been set that way; indeed, the
behaviour occurs in a directory with enough entries to cause paging. Also,
the space or lack of it in the 'dir' does not affect it
at all. However there is still a bit of a mystery:
even with the 'P' enabled, booting from
This has to be one of the strangest ever:
I made this batfile:
cd \
cd ta
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Sorry, hit the wrong key; made this batfile in freedos 1.1:
cd \
cd tag
dir dmyy.txt
cd \
cd djgpp
cd bin
copy c:\tag\dmyy.txt c:\djgpp\bin\dmy.txt
Ran perfect; then changed it:
cd \
cd djgpp
dirdmyy.txt
cd \
cd djgpp
cd bin
copy c:\djgpp\dmyy.txt c:\djgpp\bin\dmy.txt
With no change but the
Created a directory dthin; changed the batfile to this, and it ran
perfectly!. The name djgpp is making something stumble; can you beat
that? Seriously, some thing in the scanning process
must have a subtle(?) flaw in it. Richardwb2...@gmail.com.
Here's a quick question:
I have used software interrupts, mostly with int86/union regs; say int 34
for the mouse, with another integer loaded into a register to select within
that int. Recently I have seen ints such as:
intxx.yy; is this something new, or I just don't get out much? Is the 'yy'
Beautiful; thanks guys, and by the way Bret I tried unsucessfuly to use
your usbdos on an msi mobo with only uusb(no ps2 holes); any which way,
it's impossible!!.Richardwb2...@gmail.com.
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Internet protocol stuff was never my strong suit, but after installing a
driver(broadcom) and starting the dos port of dillo, I realized I could not
download. It says dpid not right sees only http.
Question: in,say, firefox you can save a page, but I believe if it is not
an html specimen it is
Maybe someone would know; was playing with old fashioned 16 bit graphics,
compiling with djgpp. The djgpp info warns that both bios and vga approach
go outside of protected mode, so that
mangling of the system is possible. Such programs don't even run in NTVDM
dos emulator, but work in ,say,
It isn't only freedos that can be buggy, at least on this count; I have
two spare computers with cheap mobos. One an MSI mobo, the other an INTEL.
The MSI mobo does not have a PS2 hole, so
must use usb keyboard; slow and not properly responsive. Point is, it does
this even with Windows 98.
For what it is worth, I have been using a dell 521 for four years and
whether xp dosbox or
really dos, the sata hard and optical drives work; I don't know how much
speed difference
there might actually be, since I never used explicit sata(non bios) drivers.
Richard Kleinwb2...@gmail.com.
Come to think of it, when I made a jumbo rescue disk including freedos, I
did have to use
the sata type drivers for the optical(CD), but not for the hard
drive;freedos could not see
the sata in that case. Richard Kleinwb2...@gmail.com.
Eric,
I'm at the library, but briefly, the weird format is like 16-bit dos,
except for the last few lines, which in dos or cmd list 'x files' then 'y
'directories.
The format I get has all the items, whether file or dir, listed together as
files. In other words, if I dir an empty dir I should
Maybe someone here knows;
the command line dir format in XP NTVDM is long file name, or NT style. The
older non lfn or dos format(8+3) is another way; but they both list the
number of files and the number of directories separately.
Now when I compile a c program and either use 'system()' to
If anyone had downloaded hobo from: www.dosoid.bravehost.com I just found a
nasty little bug in the scroller; I have just fixed it in both the
exe,hub.exe, and the source file in x.txt. My bad. Richard
wb2...@gmail.com.
To dos 386 and usul;
386, I'm not sure what you mean, but the bravehost allows exe uploads, and
does not take
a folder; though I did not try the png trick; I doubt it will work, and
here's why:
Usul says misname it as hobo.zip.thing, or hobo.thing; I tried that stuff
ages ago;
Gmail reads inside
Mateusz,
I put it on my little freebie site: www.dosoid.bravehost.com. Unfortunately,
the free version does not allow upload of any folders, let alone zips; for
this reason, the one and only folder required, hdr, must be created by the
user.
The good news is that it contains two files, one an
Phooey, I forgot to mention that to use hobo, you must have a low level
mouse driver installed, the best of which is cutemouse. Some times it is
default (freedos,boxdos), sometimes, notably using the dos on a bootdisk,
you
must remember to manually exe the mouse driver. Richard Klein
If anyone is interested, I have written a toy GUI for dos(freedos,
msdos,'boxdos'); I call it hobo, half a GUI; imagine a line right to left.
On the left end is dos. On the right end is windows/kde/gnome. The right end
has bloat, the left end does not.
So, I preserved the text graphics mode
Aitor,
thanks, but I already tried that with Pat; the gmail catches it even with
the rename!. kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
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I just tried sending two versions to Pat, one the suspect tarball, the other
an 'rar' type file; the gmail accepted the rar but rejected the tarball,
saying;
this file contains an executable and is not allowed; both the rar and the
tarball contain executables? they both have them encapsulated in
Took the suggestion and uploaded the file to virustotal.com, and guess what?
*eleven redlines, including dos.benediction!!!* This has a rather grim
statistical
aspect? I would attach the results, but the page does not allow attachments,
and I have no home page to put it on.--kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
To everyone interested:
I have again downloaded: ndn_2_31_3836_bin_lnx.tgz; I got it from:
http://ndn.muxe.com , which was furnished to me by rugxulo. I have still not
decompressed it, because I have just moved, and I don't have all my
equipment here. I usually disect
dangerously interesting
Mateuze, I didn't even get to the point of decompressing the tarball; it was
one of three files, the other two being the exe's. I used clamwin, which
only does
static scans, not on-the-fly; I have not yet seen clamwin get falsed, and
it has caught some real stinkers. I also use bughunter, another
Be advised: while scanning the tarball version of NDN the other night, I
caught malware named dos.benediction. The two exe's with it did not show
malware, but I deleted the whole thing. kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
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Japheth and all,
this is belated, as I just moved, and still don't have internet at the
house; concerning the page fault error and the tip from the djgpp faq, it
was right on the money! I was using a function which had unused
arguments,nevertheless specified; so I had declared three dummy
Japheth wrote:
If your program runs in a Windows DOS-Box, but causes a page fault in DOS or
DOSEMU, then there's a good chance that it erroneously uses a NULL pointer
for
memory access. This is a pretty common error, and AFAIR there is a switch
for
cwsdpmi to disable the page 0 protection. You
Christian wrote:
to use djgpp, simply run hdpmi32; there is a way to remove the cwsdpmi and
insert hdpmi32 in the djgpp header.
Christian, I already tried running hdpmi32 first, even using the '-r'
switch, which makes it go tsr, and still got the
page fault error from the djgpp program; as for the
Eric, the program I wrote, which drew the page fault, uses the int86 in four
of the eight functions. the program
is a mouse event handler, and micro-gui. I already had included 'dos.h',
but I did not realize ther was a 'dpmi.h'!
I'll have to pry into that header to try to see what exactly it can
Decided to try the minimum functionality of HX; the 'stubit.exe' failed,
complaining that the djgpp executable being
processed was not PE; I believe that a dj exe always has an 'MZ' stub, and I
will verify that. Does this mean that
stubit only *checks* the validity of a PE stub and does not make
Have just tried WDOSX, which is now royalty free, even for commercial
applications; this refers to exe's 'extended'
by wdos. The wdos actually prepends a stub to the exe,as well as an extender
exe, so that the result is standalone
with no outside files. As stated, any exe that you extend in this
Ok, this time, really clear: the download of wdosx is free for personal use;
any file you process with it, is also
royalty free, even for commercial use; I believe the distribution of wdos
itself would still require a volume license.
--kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
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From: kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:54 AM
Subject: Update on dos extenders viz djgpp.
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Have just tried WDOSX, which is now royalty free, even for commercial
applications; this refers to exe's
Maybe someone can figure this one:
installed freedos base on an old dell(ten years);installed djgpp with rhide;
acted very buggy and refused to compile
even a hello world;
rebooted with 'himem' option, and now it compiles and executes. However, I
then tried a larger program with eight
functions,
Of course, if freedos is on dosemu on linux, you may still have the beauty
of dos but not the blazing speed; there
are search algorithims, etc, that can take *hours* on bloatware, but minutes
in dos. The answer is to keep the
dos offline; not so strange. I dual boot linux and windows, and go to
Bonnie,I have several dell machines; the newer one,a dimension 521 came not
only with a reinstall cd(would
never get a windoze without one), but also a resource cd; the resource
cd,among other things, has the driver/
diagnostics for the nic(network) card. This means that if you have
reinstalled
There is a linux that runs in a fat partition: puppy; it runs in a linux
filesystem which is inside a fat, and I have
used it on a ten year old dell with pentium three and 128 meg ram. By the
way, it's small size makes it an excellent
live cd-linux on the old machines, and it sports an excellent
Bonnie, I don't know if you are using a dial up modem, but I have cable
company online, and the latest puppy
for sure, is *instantly* ready to work, whether live cd or installed puppy;
I have never used a dial up modem.
--kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
First, I'll apologize for not using the 'snippet' approach; I have some
mild disabilities and word processing tasks irq me for some strange
reason. I will try to be concise; as for potential customer,
if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right, for love or money.
This comes into play
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Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:09 AM
Subject: makefiles galore.
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
First, I'll apologize for not using the 'snippet' approach; I have some
mild disabilities and word processing tasks irq
Ahhh, it's amazing; not one tutorial specifically for the dos version of
'make'; even what there is, not too
specific. To wit: indeed, some thing you are trying to install,say , HX,
GEM, etc., they do include makefiles,
but they don't tell you where to put the makefile. So, you keep trying to
use
I know HX is not a compiler; I meant having two c++ compilers, like mingw
and djgpp at the same
time. They can have naming conflicts.--kurtwb2...@gmail.com.
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Yes, I prettymuch get that, but for instance that djgpp hack someone
mentioned; it has a file named
'makefile', but in what directory should it be placed? I mean, there are
*several* files in these distros
named 'makefile', so without messing around with the path, if I explicitly
use make -f
Before I even try messing with hx extender, does anyone know if it will work
out-of-the-box with djgpp,
which I am used to, and I don't trust having two compilers of the same
language present simultaneously.
Also, since HX has it's own dpmi, would I have to remove the cwsdpmi from
the
Ok, I give up; I knew that linux has 'make' and 'make install' all over the
place, but, until this afternoon,
I never knew that dos has it. While attempting to install some parts of HX
and GEM to djgpp, I was struck
by this: use 'make' to configure the includes(headers) and libraries, and
use
This is a general question, not(?) completely off topic. I have never quite
understood the GPL type license
in the following sense: I write my own c++ software; I compile it using an
open source deal like djgpp;
if I then distribute the compiled exe, am I legally obliged to also
distribute(i.e.
This is old hat to most of you,but: Say I'm running a c++ program, compiled
with djgpp; it makes a
32-console type executable. Now, if I want to break into the running c++
with, say, a mouse click, or
a tap of a key, how do I service the interupt? Even from real-dos mode, I
don't understand how to
My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities
with in and out jacks; I wish
to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need
to send and recieve tones.
Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurt
wb2...@gmail.com.
This might seem a bit off topic, but it's of general interest: In XP, you
can make an ISO image of a folder;
if you then burn that ISO image to the cd, using a true ISO burner, it is
not bootable, it is lacking the files
that would make it so. There are schemes to combine a floppy .img file with
Not to be a nag, but will v1.1 have on-board support for sata drives? This
would be so convenient.--kurt,
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I had forgotten the '/y' switch, which suppresses the prompt, enabling
scripted(unattended) overwriting. Still,
if I overwrite with a larger file, does this obliterate the overwritten
file, eliminating the possibility of retrieval?
kurt--wb2...@gmail.com.
If I want to delete/overwrite files from a script(batch), then either way,
it will interogate me:are you sure?y/n;
but I want the script to run unattended; is there a way to make it fully
'hands free'?, possibly with a redirection
away from the keyboard, or some such thing? PS: when deleting a
Ok,
downloaded the driver, did it's autoexec, did Arachne; soooweet! On the air!
The arachnoid even incorporates
the driver into the autoexec. Just one more dumb question: how to enable
cookies in the arachne browser?
I get to google ok, but if I then click on 'gmail' it seems to hang, with
the
Ok, this is the thing: the arachne gets me to the web, say, google; I can
move around and such, but if I try to
download something, its a no-go. Or if something is downloading, there is no
indication of where it is going.
Even worse, and strangely, if I goto yahoo, the screen already says: 'my
Among my collection of 'hexeditors' are two or three specifically for
editing of harddisk sectors, both physical and
logical; one is for windows and at least one other is for dos. I don't have
the name for the dos one in front of me
right now, but it came from the site called 'starman'. The one
Anybody,
I am assuming that the series 'shu...' are all classed as 'secondary
drivers'; in which case, what would be the
'primary' drivers that work with them? I imagine they are not named in a
series like SHU. eric,[EMAIL PROTECTED].
Eric,
I again tried putting the fdconfig.sys in drive 'c', first with the
c-oriented version; then with the d-oriented version.
Also tried editing the autoexec.bat in 'd' drive to : cfg=c:\fdconfig.sys;
everytime I execute autoexec.bat in 'd',
exactly the same thing happens; action taken
Eric,
Tried what you said. Put echo tags at beginning and end of fdconfig.sys;
even put them in the bat. Both showed
in the bat, but the fdconfig never executed, not in 'c' , not in 'd' any
which way, so long as fdos was not initially
installed in 'c'. It is obvious that fdconfig does execute if
Eric,
The case where everything works would be just a single,primary partition of
the harddisk;there is nothing on the
disk yet; then load from fdbase cd, selecting from it's install options
drive 'c' of course. The first time you boot
the fdos,the cdrom will come out on 'd' drive. Now, make the
Jim,
I eventually got back to you, that I had *satisfactorily* done it, with 98
in 'c', freedos in 'd'; the trick for me was
to master 'devload' and shsucdx. The only bugaboo left is that DOSUSB still
cannot coexist with cd rom when
fdos is in 'd', yet they do work together if fdos is in 'c'; this
Eric,
I should clarify: when Georg (of DOSUSB) said dos assigns the drive letter
to dosusb, he was emphasising
that *dos does the assigning* , that is, there is not much,if any, manual
control over it. Also, to be specific,
when DOSUSB works with the cdrom (in drive 'c')the whole thing is
Just found out that the '/s' in 'format C: /s' formats the drive and leaves
space for the system files from the 'sys'
command; but some say the sys com also transfers a copy of command.com,
while other sources don't! I can
tell you that 'format C:' does not place a copy of command.com, whereas
A quicky:
I noticed several references to: do a format, then a sys c:; is this
exactly the same as format c: /s? I have always
used the latter and never saw a conflict message in terms of
geometries,between the BIOS and fdisk; in fact, my
fdisk is so old that it seems to lack many options(one
Eric,
I tried again, with primary c partition and extended,logical d partition;
installed w98 onto c, then installed fdos
to d. Did the autoexec.bat in d to get devload, and did this: devload /a
d:\fdos\bin\xcdrom.sys /d:thing. I was happy
to see messages like name thing, driver staying resident,
Eric,
I am thick-headed sometimes; finally figured out shsucdx uses the syntax of
mscdex!! You had already told me
this, it did not register. So, I did: shsucdx.com /d:thing /m:4 /e L:r and
this did the trick! All that remains is to
automate the process. PS, how come I was able to use thing in
Here is what ultimately determines the feasibility: is 'SHCDX33A a file or
a directory? if a file, is it exe or com?
where is it to be found? where is it supposed to be loaded into? I say this
because the bugaboo always seems
to be that when you 'activate' the fdos from the 'c' drive being shared
Here's a dumb question about the 'xcopy ' command: I have a source directory
called 's', and a destination
directory called 'd'; Both of them are in the same directory, say 'c'. If I
do: cd d, then xcopy s /s /e, I get a
cyclic error; but if I am more explicit and use(again from inside 'd'):
xcopy
Eric, I already tried your last two suggestions with these results: if I
installed the w98 first, then when I
installed the fdbase over it, only the FreeDos would boot from a turn on
after that; I thought to activate
the w98 from the command line(from FreeDos) but could not see how to do it.
Then,
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