Hi all
how do I join a gild in core exiles?
I think i may look at a list, since I really need to do something about getting
somewhere.
right now I only just have enough to live by.
Sooner rather than later I will be running out of things.
ip is low, like real low spent most of it well a good
I always buy stock even if I can't.
especially if I have unlucky roles early on in the game.
At 02:54 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
Well i usually do buy stock if I can, but sometimes, as happened
with my friends, i just didn't land on the right square for that.
We've actually had far
well thats why I like to use hal over jaws, one thing I like is you can turn
hotkeys and voice off with a couple keystrokes then go through and process say
a game or something yet the speech is there on demand.
At 04:59 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
It's not just in games Tom that I find this
weird where do you get the say tools from? I have most of the empowermentzone
tools thanks to top tech tidbits but hmmm.
At 06:32 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you can
get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or
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At 09:52 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
http://www.empowermentzone.com/saysetup.exe
Stay well
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hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how
it handles advanced word and excell functions.
However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other apps.
At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus
being much more used to doing
things with Hal.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 AM
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hmmm I like the way
hmmm what about the advanced scripting for advanced users and a menu system
like addrift, placing objects, moving round to place objects, etc.
At 04:15 p.m. 2/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
I am, as most of you probably already know, working on a scriptable game
engine that will allow you to make
on
the low level stuff, so any ideas are much appreciated at this point.
Kind regards,
Philip Bennefall
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thats cool news, I however have never beaten the game.
hmph I'll look at both of these files, I may create another multilang
installer again with innosetup 3.6 if I know where I may host the file
perminantly.
hey everyone!
i'm just posting this message to inform you that Francis Wolf (the
Hi.
subject says it all.
Thanks to mathias for shoving me the game I have made an installer with
innosetup 3.6 and isstool, after doodling round and hacking bits of the script
its ready.
Installer features.
Should run on any windows version from 95 to whatever.
2. should not have any images,
Hi all.
ok due to the fact I decided to be real smart, and not include a main program
the stupid file has decided not to create a main shortcut.
Ok, so this may take some time, I'll tell you when I am actually done i
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Hi.
Ok, the installer works, everything works.
Note, in some languages where the program can not register a file you will get
the english error because of the language not being defind.
these are traditional chinese, japanese and swedish.
other than that though the installer is ready to go.
I
Hi all.
Ok this is how its gona work.
I am putting the installer on sendspace.
thats only going to last for a couple weeks, however it should give people
some time to get it and for who ever wants to host it a chance to put it up
perminantly, due to my dropbox not always being online and the
ok guys here is the temp link for the installer.
sendspace.com file upload confirmation for shau...@xtra.co.nz
You have successfully uploaded a file called nop31setup.exe (33 MB), to
sendspace.
Description: night of parasite innosetup installeer
You can use the following link to retrieve
I should also add that if you are over your data cap then you may have issues.
I have got over that by going unlimited ofcause that costs me a little more but
for what we use it here its worth.
At 04:20 p.m. 3/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Hayri,
I usually get decent upload/download speeds from the
yeah games are secondary, fair enough I suppose.
don't lose heart though, we are not out the woods yet.
I know for example that mushclient can work direct with jaws and windoweyes and
a map exists for lonewolf in hal 5 and later.
I think though that expecting the manufacturers to make game
yeah the installer is showing as a virus for most av scanners
yesterday I sent a message to the list should be there now with a sendspace
link of an innosetup installer.
At 06:21 a.m. 4/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi list.
I'm having problems installing Night of Parasite .
When I click on the installer I
hmmm I like this already, I currently have the game on the max pain mod but
when this one comes out I'll switch, a circus manager?
hmmm this will be interesting, hmmm there is a thought you die you get booed
you win well.
ANd ofcause if you get booed the croud can hit you with bottles or
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Because people will find an outlet somewhere and I think gaming is much more
healthy in the long run.
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Hi.
night of parasite 3.1 installer is avalible on dropbox.
warning! this is far from perminant.
Due to testing with mainly pkb and other things the dropbox is quite full, if
the size goes over 2gb I will start deleting things, so be warned the public
file is not perminant by any means.
I will
yeah I aggree with you.
I like shooting people.
ofcause those games where you do that in free stress.
would I do it in real life, no I would not.
for starters it would ruin my life.
and second its just sad and sucky to have to get to that level.
However children shouldn't play sod for instance
miriani was good when I played but I never got on enough.
THe net was slow and well.
Things cost to much, once I got lucky, found a friend that got me 20 million
bucks straight into my account.
however I spent 10 mil on a hauler, and 10 mil on my debt for things and I had
a couple mil and got a
all these games you are doing sound real good, will these be sold or what.
I'd like to contribute in some way, testing or something sounds real good.
At 05:43 a.m. 6/12/2009, you wrote:
Phil,
Yes. The audio files could be bundled separately. Though they total about 6
hours of playing time and
www.klango.net is the website.
At 07:15 a.m. 6/12/2009, you wrote:
How do I download the klango client from? I tried and just went around in a
circle trying to download it.
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this game was loaded with no privs on it.
I need to check if anyone else has this issue.
At 09:22 a.m. 6/12/2009, you wrote:
hey shaun,
how come NOP doesn't work?
I can install the game, but then I can't run it
On 12/2/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote
install the game, but then I can't run it
On 12/2/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
ok guys here is the temp link for the installer.
sendspace.com file upload confirmation for shau...@xtra.co.nz
You have successfully uploaded a file called nop31setup.exe (33 MB), to
sendspace
Hi all.
after some tests I have discovered some bugs with the current installer.
the main one is the privilages.
If you install the game on your system and you are a limited user, either
install as admin or you won't be able to uninstall.
if you load it on limited user you will not have any
Hi all.
Ok.
the old file is being removed.
or rather has been.
you will need winzip, the file is 60mb or so.
in it there are 2 installers.
now you will need admin for these installers.
installer1.
nop31vistasetup.exe
this will install in the root of the c drive.
you will need admin but you should
Hi.
ok guys here is the big scary file.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.zip
remember, that vistasetup will put things in your root drive
xpsetup will do as normal.
you will need admin rights for both these.
I have no idea why the program will not run as I tried another account.
I have also
apreciated...
Scott
On 12/5/09, Ryan Chou rc4896...@gmail.com wrote:
okay here's what it says
Windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may
not have the appropriate permissions to access the item.
and this is my admin account
could AVG be stopping it?
On 12/5/09, shaun everiss
a.m. 6/12/2009, you wrote:
okay here's what it says
Windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may
not have the appropriate permissions to access the item.
and this is my admin account
could AVG be stopping it?
On 12/5/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
Hi all
Hi.
this archive reupload does not apply to everyone.
nop31v2setup.exe is a test build with all the win9x and all the nt code
stripped out of it.
it will only run on vista and up but honestly I don't think this should make
any difference.
there is no reason for this thing to not work as the
hi all.
if you have the archive don't bother getting it again.
if you have not get it again.
the v2.exe is a test file.
the next link the second link is a test build for ryan c.
but seriously I do hope this is not going ot be a waste.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.zip
defs or anything.
if that does not work not sure what will.
I'll even shove the compression some.
At 05:21 p.m. 6/12/2009, you wrote:
I'm using XP
On 12/5/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
Hi.
this archive reupload does not apply to everyone.
nop31v2setup.exe is a test build with all
the XP and the other one don't work
On 12/5/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
ok.
run all the installers again except the vista installer do any of them get
the game running.
does the test program installer run does the test program run.
get back to me.
if this works I will do one
Hi.
ok, ok.
this is it.
I am uploading an installer with no processing, no extra addons and nothing.
this is definately it.
The game works why it does not run on ryan's system is beyond me but its not my
installer.
ryan turn off avg shield and try running the game.
if that does not work, try a
Hi all.
ok this is the final installer version.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.exe
there will not be any more.
this has no mods not even optional ones.
ryan you could have a drive error or something but since no one else has this
issue I can't help.
I can rebuild my code only so much
hmph.
well I have emailed the author about it.
so hopefully he fixes this or something.
or I get my installers working I don't mind making em.
At 11:04 a.m. 7/12/2009, you wrote:
All of the installers (at least for me) say something about invalind sourse
code or something regarding the
Ok what do I do about the spikes?
I have 2 to jump over I got as close as I dared and jumped but I still died.
Good game though now I am off to bed I have been up since 8 am
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oh man.
we are getting better and better.
games inside the reader, games built in to the app.
fancy.
At 02:11 a.m. 9/12/2009, you wrote:
Hello all. If you are a Window-Eyes user, you might be interested in the
following. You need to have the current version of Window-Eyes for this to
work since
select the sheet then hit q
At 03:51 a.m. 9/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi list.
How do you read the code sheet?
I've gotten as far as the machinery door, but cant figure out how to read the
code sheet to type it in.
I looked at everything under help but didn't see it.
Thanks in advance.
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ok guys found my way passed the spikes.
I pulled one lever in level2 but nothing else.
I find the chasm.
I know there needs to be a bridge because I heard about it on here.
I used the view command to find it I bumped into a wall and looked.
I have not found the bridge.
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Hi.
fransis wolf has made a mine sweeper.
as usual however you can't install it because msse says its a virus or
something.
does someone have the binary, I'll do another innosetup of this thing and have
it up in a bit.
I know one person has an issue but no one else does so.
mathias if you have
I had a torch lit I viewed the wall after the spikes.
is it on another wall?
At 04:54 p.m. 9/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Hint. Did you try viewing the wall with aburning torch lit?
Cheers!
shaun everiss wrote:
ok guys found my way passed the spikes.
I pulled one lever in level2 but nothing
Hi.
the game is mentioned on www.randylaptop.com
the direct link is
http://www.twitter.com/tweetstones
this is a twitter game which is accessible.
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well its hard enough, saying that if you get a blade its dead easy.
If you let em attack you well.
if the boss could run at you, maybe jump over you avoid some of your swings
that kind of thing but I can't think of what else I could do for the bosses.
At 07:29 a.m. 11/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi
tom why don't you put those in a faq somewhere.
on that note I thik this list should have a faq if it doesn't have one already
most news groups do have a faq.
At 07:57 a.m. 11/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Willem,
Yeah, unfortunately it does seam like I have to answer the same questions over
and over
its the right link, and it works.
at least it does here.
At 08:21 a.m. 11/12/2009, you wrote:
hi all. when I go to
http://www.usagamesinteractive.com/
i get Cannot find server
The page cannot be displayed
is this the right sight? and if not then what is the right sight? many
thanks. from
Well I do do some installers, and a few other things.
naturally when I get complaints I do try to solve the issues.
Ofcause when these become flames I just don't reply anymore.
As long as I have assured myself that at least on my end it works then I am
satisfied.
It becomes an issue when only one
well you could always put the questions in a faq on your page, you could always
have me do support and have all the questions/ suggestions /complaints foreded
at me I have time.
I know this could be interpreted as a semi sob but I am still looking for some
decent things to do, so I could help
and hoze the boss down before he closes
to attack range. I've done that a number of times and the minotaur is just way
to easy to kill.
shaun everiss wrote:
well its hard enough, saying that if you get a blade its dead easy.
If you let em attack you well.
if the boss could run at you, maybe jump over
true but you will have to make sure that we can find at least one bladed weapon
in level1.
if you put that in.
you will have to make sure the sword appears in level1 somewhere all the time.
if you don't well.
At 05:52 p.m. 11/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
Personally, I like the suggestion of
I'd also be happy to hear this.
I am part of a site that posts anything tech so I could post it here.
however just don't pause for to long i will probably do something over the cast
if I post it, but this should be interesting.
At 05:38 p.m. 12/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
Since this is on topic
aah.
maybe I should explain myself some.
There are new rules where if there are to many gaps, pauses and times where
there is blank space in the recording it could get regected.
the site is at
http://technology.jaredrimer.net
I think there is a page of rules somewhere, forgot to link to the site.
well if you imagine a website like its an old house now not maintained its
starting to tumble down.
thats what happens to old houses.
by now rats infest every corner and plants are growing through the walls.
At 05:41 a.m. 13/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
The website is still hacked. Please DO NOT
Hi.
fransis wolf has released mine sweeper a bit ago.
today I had to turn off my virus checker to install it because it said there
was a trogen just like night of parasite.
I have converted the installer to innosetup
and here it is
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/minesweeper11setup.exe
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well I think you should do what you can to at least get the registered version
going even if this is just adding the reg support in the game so that those
that are waiting for the game due to the pree orders and such don't whine at
you, they have been waiting long enough.
However since I
mushclient is a good client no ftp will not work.
At 02:39 p.m. 13/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi, What should I use to connect to this game? I'm new to the game play.
Should I use my FTP filezilla? Or is there something different for the games?
Sorry for the dumb questions
Lisa
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yeah some sapis get broken.
I have broken mine and repaired it but unless you want to reformat or muck
about which is what I eventually did I wouldn't recomend doing anything bar
formatting.
although sapi doesn't really break unless you mangle something, hmph.
At 12:28 p.m. 14/12/2009, you
yeah you can also test but be warned this stuff is not all fun.
just be carefull what you run.
At 08:35 p.m. 14/12/2009, you wrote:
You don't find pkb games, you become it.
Pkb games is a group which I'm part of, we make games in autoit.
If you are a programmer you can join us, write to Peter.
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yeah you can also test but be warned this stuff is not all fun.
just be carefull what you run.
At 08:35 p.m. 14/12
I can.
I'll look through your free stuff and put up what you don't have.
At 04:26 p.m. 15/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
As many of you know I am working on a free games page, and beginning to upload
all of the free games I have to the USA Games server. However, apparently I
have lost all of the
well I am uploading all the games they have had right now.
I'll give the links when its all up.
I will need to kill these things though soonish because I don't have much space
left.
on that note.
will you tom be hosting my night of parasite and mine sweeper installers?
I can send these links at
Hi.
these are the current links to my games
lti.zip
contains all games bar numcrunch
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/lti.zip
the next link is for numcrunch
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/num-crunch_setup.exe
night of parasite installer innosetup
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.exe
Hi.
mine sweeper link below
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/minesweeper11setup.exe
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hmmph.
I already did this last night looks like we are doubeling up.
At 01:27 a.m. 16/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, I have zipped all the Light Tech games. I warn you, the file is quite
large though. Get it at :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3515620/Light%20Tech%20Games.zip.
Enjoy,
Hayden
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no.
I have not.
rather I may have but I get loads of mail these days
however taking into mind the email address was google this could be from anyone.
usually people post to audiogames, this may be lagit.
but who is game enough to check it.
I'm not such a person.
if someone has a system to get
yeah its interesting.
also if you enter the wrong message.
is there any to tell you what the target should be.
I have the sound right in front of me but I still get the walls.
At 02:09 a.m. 17/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Johnny,
Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear that you think that TJS is a fun
I think there should be a sound at least in easy level.
I have slowed down the target factor by a couple notches but even on easy mode
its still semi hard.
I think there should be a target sound though maybe in all levels nothing
flash, just a beep or click will do.
At 11:20 p.m. 18/12/2009,
Well I mannaged to get one perfect round and get one almost.
enough to get into the bonus round I got betwene 700 and 850 in that round
correct.
well 500 points in bonus, and thats it.
I think something should happen if you finnish the bonus round though depending
on your score also if you get
not well john.
I loaded the site with nvda but got nothing but a blank page in fact ie6 really
couldn't do much.
when I loaded with hal 5.2 I got an opperation abborted message after a while
although the site did try to load or at least it sounded like it was.
At 11:44 p.m. 18/12/2009, you
hmmm that dnd thing would be hard dark though not impossible as long as it all
came in text if the player wished but you are right we can't have it all.
At 04:36 a.m. 19/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi John.
I've checked the site, and as far as blog and review sites go it seemed okay
with Hal, -
well you need at least 16 mill for the next ship entry level up.
I suggest you stay with entry level ships first then work yourself up to the
multipurpose, I am not up there yet but I wouldn't specialise unless thats what
you are doing.
The special ships cost loads.
At 05:46 a.m. 19/12/2009, you
grin
aah ok.
yeah maybe it does do enough as it is.
At 09:54 a.m. 19/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
What would you like to see happen, I mean it does say a perfect 10 points
or in the bonus round a perfect 50 points. And of course you will finish
the bonus round if you score enough to
the only language I have used is pascal.
free pascal with dev pascal compiler.
it was part of my uni class.
now if any resource is avalible for gaming I actually may pull out my
programming books from those early days.
I only have done console apps but still.
At 11:49 a.m. 19/12/2009, you wrote:
you need autoit.
At 12:25 p.m. 19/12/2009, you wrote:
Hello,
I have just received the invitation to hhe drop box folder containing the
PKB Games and whatever else is there. Now how do I play them? I just
installed InoSetup 5.3, but I think that's the wrong version because the
file loads into
yeah you need to push the keys slooowly as.
And I mean it, since this game is designed for joystick its not going to allow
for keyboard quickpress probably because joystick actions are not like that.
I have noticed that navigation with this game in fact all the joystick designed
things
no actual level.
however I have some books and other junk I pulled from the net some from
blindprogrammers and some from my university days.
I'll zip it and dropbox it and shove it at you offlist.
At 12:46 a.m. 21/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi.
I suspected as much, but what would the limits of php be?
no actual level.
however I have some books and other junk I pulled from the net some from
blindprogrammers and some from my university days.
I'll zip it and dropbox it and shove it at you offlist.
At 12:46 a.m. 21/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi.
I suspected as much, but what would the limits of php be?
with me.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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no actual level.
however I have some books
Hi.
oh wow that was a fast little laugh.
The score was close.
but I just beat the elves.
I got gifts and betwene getting gifts as I went along I beat as many as I could.
good fun.
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I liked losing.
mr clause realises he is not in shape tries to and splits his pants.
At 11:09 p.m. 21/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Philip,
Just wanted to say what a great Christmas game this is. I loved both the
acting and the cute little jokes in the game. Like when testing the speakers,
exiting the
its free to register with msn and the dropbox system for a basic 2gb account.
just email piter and he will tell you what you need.
If you do not have an msn account you will need to get one, you can get this
free.
Either by using your isp email address or a hotmail.
in theory you need to see a
yeah thats a known issue I have had sapi and jaws sometimes get mixed up in
actions that was worse in earlier alphas.
At 11:57 p.m. 21/12/2009, you wrote:
Hey all
So far I'm having no problems running the game. Though a couple
suggestions do come to mind.
It would be good if the player
well I have a coppy of the free game.
never registered never saw the point the game plays to completion all the time.
unless there is more that is.
At 12:06 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
I was actually asked to remove supershot from the audiogames.net database by
Liam, sinse he was no longer even
yes I have once.
although it was a gift not necessarily a teddy.
we also have a game where you put a coin in a slot and click a trigger.
you only have around 30 seconds to click that trigger because after that the
coin will drop back in the basket.
even if you hit the trigger there is a 50-50
I filled the slay and also beat up elves.
I got 45 so far I have never got higer than 46.
At 02:14 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
Well, i did it, second game 36 gifts recovered, 16 broken.
I'm afraid I did use a rather crazy tactic, once i'd filled the slay enough I
went and just stood in front of
I was thinking of this type to be a casino style.
you gamble some cash, then draw a card or something.
I know its not correct but that would make it interesting.
At 02:19 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
I have seen these machines, we have them in England too, and in America I
believe (sinse one
it is clean.
its just the chinese installer.
I did have it up on dropbox. but after a few weeks after I got no responce I
assumed it was no longer needed so got rid of it.
The installer is not infected with anything, you may turn off avg while you
install the game.
At 05:17 a.m. 22/12/2009, you
aah.
At 07:28 p.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
You are mixing stuff up here Sean, this is not pkb, it's programmers
paradise, its a new group i made with another dropbox folder full of
different programming language stuff.
On 12/22/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
its free to register
the site is ok.
Interestingly enough as always happens every so often the isp decided to
upgrade or the router did a perminant drop.
This happens every 2 weeks to 6 months depending on its mood.
the net died and I had to disconnect the router and reboot it.
this doesn't happen often but
hmmph interesting.
I was able to buy it through their cafepress system.
Here is the issue.
its not needed but I'd create an account first at www.cafepress.com
Reason being I tried to order first and got a message that my credit card was
not able to be processed 2 days after it supposedly went
well jim kitchen has admitted some years back his code is not prity either.
not sure if this is true still or not.
I programmed in javascript and pascal.
and in pascal I would go nice and fast forget to put capitals on var or
something or forget somethingelse and my program was locking up,
hmmm code factory don't produce games anymore.
At 09:15 a.m. 25/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi list,
I just tried to download the game Santa Claus is back from Code factory, but I
got a page not found error.
Is Code factory totally down?
And if this is the case, has someone the Santa Claus game and
grin
I'll check it out.
its christmas day here and I have just finnished the potatoe pealing and other
things.
need a break especially since the fridge has decided that it wants to die in a
rather noisy way.
At 12:13 p.m. 25/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Pretty or ugly or whatever, all I know
Hi.
yeah jim just looked at the code.
I understood the first part but after that, yeah,
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weird.
maybe a virus.
I have had the same issue with an old system my grandpa has.
all his stuff is on an unsecured system because we didn't have the equipment or
software to do anything about it.
due to it dieing mainly because of all the spyware and viruses and the fact
that one of the fans in
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