> On 2/2/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
>
> > different after all. Please don't be mad at me for saying that for I
> > don't intend to offend anybody.
>
> Nobody's mad at you :)
And I said that to be sure that nobody will be :).
> I see where you are coming from, I even spent
> some time in the pas
On 2/2/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
> different after all. Please don't be mad at me for saying that for I
> don't intend to offend anybody.
Nobody's mad at you :) I see where you are coming from, I even spent
some time in the past providing this kind of solutions for e.g.
Inkscape users (http://bi
Alexia Death wrote:
> Well, on developer side there seems to be a consensus forming that
> this ps-
> menurc file should and will be removed from git and I personally
> agree. such
> enhancements should be maintained outside gimp. So most likely, once
> this is
> over you are furher away fro
> Furthermore, collaborating with Inkscape *instead* makes a lot of
> sense, because GIMP + Inkscape are a usual combo. Blindly reusing
> shortcuts from old Adobe products doesn't make a lot of sense.
Blindly—yes. But proposition is not to do it that way. My reason is: I
want to promote GIMP to e.
ROFL
On 02/01/2011 03:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:
> On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
>>
>>> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
>>> features.
>>> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'l
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
> >
> >> The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
> >> occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred
> >> guys (like me ;)) if one would
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 01:28:04 Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
> > This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention.
>
> Pointless it is if it doesn't bring any changes but that can be said
> only after it's over. Right now I can see that there's at least a will
> to at least make things cle
> And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
> more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
> you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
> accelerators?
> Seriously?
If think so then I'm afraid that you didn't read my posts ca
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg
> wrote:
> > Add a single "For Photoshop users" page to the help file. There,
> > tell users how to change the menurc file so they have
> > photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way,
> > and will enable those who insist on
> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote:
> > Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > *sigh*
> > >
> > > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
> > >
> > > Alexandre Prokoudine
> > > http://libregraphicsworld.org
> > >
> >
> > I will refrain from expr
> As it was stated before, making applications act "similar" doesn't
> turn out in "familiarity", but in a percepction of incompleteness. The
> most our applications looks like others, the most former users of
> other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as
> limitations.
>
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote:
> Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes:
>
> > *sigh*
> >
> > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
> >
> > Alexandre Prokoudine
> > http://libregraphicsworld.org
> >
>
> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on und
> On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
> >
> >> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented,
> >> undiscoverable features.
> >> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the
> >> Gimp-Docs mailin
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
>
>> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
>> features.
>> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs
>> mailing list and ta
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
> features.
> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs
> mailing list and take it from there. This is an area in which I have a lot
> of
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:01:12 +0300
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> >
> >> Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
> >> reread what Jon Cruz wrote in th
Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes:
> *sigh*
>
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org
>
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
features.
Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>
>> Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
>> reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message.
>
> You mean Jon Senior?
Nope. I did me
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
wrote:
> Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
> reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message.
You mean Jon Senior?
js
-><-
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org
> __
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote:
>> What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generations of
>> users coming and telling the team to just make GIMP like Photoshop or
>
> I recognize the root of the issue, but that makes it no less an issue.
> What may seem to yo
As it was stated before, making applications act "similar" doesn't
turn out in "familiarity", but in a percepction of incompleteness. The
most our applications looks like others, the most former users of
other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as
limitations.
When I swit
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
> How about this as a suggestion:
> Find an existing menuRc files with photoshop key bindings. Ask the author if
> it
> can be included in a Gimp release. Include it as a renamed file so its not
> loaded by default. find a maintainer for it
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg
wrote:
> Add a single "For Photoshop users" page to the help file. There, tell users
> how
> to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change
> the application in any way, and will enable those who insist on it to have
Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes:
>
> On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
>
> > I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to
> > interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
> > whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it.
>
> What
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:30:05 -0500
Christopher Curtis wrote:
> I asked if anyone would complain about a patch that brings GIMP in
> line with every other program that I could find wrt using Backspace as
> color fill. One person objected, nobody said it would be a fine patch
> -- they'd rather comp
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
wrote:
> On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
>
>> interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
>> whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it.
>
> What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generation
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:39 AM, gespert...@gmail.com
wrote:
> A couple of days ago a voluntary coder (with an impressive CV) arrived
> to this list offering his help and he only got a couple of replies.
> This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention.
This discussion is almost entirely th
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to
> interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
> whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it.
What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generations
On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
>
>> The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
>> occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
>> (like me ;)) if one would have possibi
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM, gespert...@gmail.com
wrote:
> And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
> more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
> you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
> accelerators?
By "you" a
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
accelerators?
Seriously?
GIMP accelerators are customizable using a visible option from the
Edit
Actually, I intended this thread to be about “Photoshop «compatibility»
mode” (quotation marks to emphasize that I meant only particular kind of
compatibility :)).
I'm afraid the conversation went a bit off-topic since I didn't
suggested changes in _default_ shortcuts scheme for GIMP. What I
sugge
Let me start off by saying that this conversion is exasperating, and
this will likely be my last message on the topic.
Firstly, let me define "peer group": Any set of applications that
interpret data in a specific way and allows the user to view or
manipulate said interpretation in any specific
Christopher Curtis gmail.com> writes:
> I don't know if you're intentionally setting up a stawman here, but
> inkscape is a vector editor, blender is a 3D modeler, and gedit is a
> text editor. These applications aren't in the same domain as GIMP and
> MyPaint.
Don't dismiss it so quickly. It m
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
>
>> I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by "peer
>> applications" - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
>> and photoshop.
>
> So your arg
On 31 January 2011 17:33, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
>
>> I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by "peer
>> applications" - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
>> and photoshop.
>
> So your argument
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by "peer
> applications" - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
> and photoshop.
So your argument is that on the "Software Spectrum" GIMP is not a
graphics app
On 1/30/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> So all I'm suggesting is that instead of simply producing PhotoShop
> keybindings (which is a fine idea, IMO)
They already are produced
> that an interested person actually look at the broader picture to see
> if there is any accelerator convergence among
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 13:59 -0500, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
>
> > Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
> > in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
> > could no longer be "E
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
> in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
[...]
I overlooked Krita. Krita uses as a BG Color Fill and
+ as a FG Color Fill according
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
> in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
> could no longer be "E" because that inserts text in gedit, so we'd end
> up using conrtol-sh
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Rob Antonishen
wrote:
>> The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
>> set of core accelerators. File->New, File->Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
>> are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
>> tools like Pencil, E
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
> set of core accelerators. File->New, File->Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
> are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
> tools like Pencil, E
> The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
> set of core accelerators. File->New, File->Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
> are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
> tools like Pencil, Eraser, Move, Crop, etc. should have consistent
> accelerators.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
>
>> The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
>> occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
>> (like me ;)) if one would have possib
As we use to say in Uberwald, if you
> don't want a monster, you don't pull a lever :)
>
It's just a matter of thunderstomrs, really!
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Hi!
> > Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences
> > between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when
> > seated in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject,
> > but I'm not trying to start the flame again,
>
> Do you genuinely expect us to
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
> The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
> occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
> (like me ;)) if one would have possibility to use the same (or at least
> much similar) keyboard s
On 1/30/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
> Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences
> between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when seated
> in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject, but I'm not
> trying to start the flame again,
Do you genu
Hi!
Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences
between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when seated
in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject, but I'm not
trying to start the flame again, so… please keep your matches and petrol
away ;) — I
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