Re: [MBZ] I buy a 1985 300CD
That link wants me to download an app for my phone and to sign in, does not go to your photos. --R On 3/7/15 2:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: Its been a while since I've driven an 1985 car powered by an OM617a... I never owned one, but I've driven several and was alway impressed. I always considered a 1985 W123 to be the most refined of the bunch, and therefore the most desirable. I've heard a few folks on the list here say they avoid the last model year for various reasons, but I don't really understand why. Sure there are a few more vacuum lines under the hood, but no more than found on 1986- cars. Acceleration off the line is outstanding, the transmission shifts better than earlier cars, and the lower geared rear makes for a better highway cruise. I just brought this home: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/16743796931/in/photostream/ A 1985, 240k miles... a bit high for my tastes, but its second owner bough the car in 1990 and has always serviced it at the dealer. Its had lots of work done and really drives nicely. Of course, a few things to sort out still... but a great car with original paint, super clean in terms of rust, always garaged in NYC. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hi lift jack
The other day I was driving on I-26 here in SC and there was a largish truck, might have been a tractor with a smaller trailer, down in the median all mired up in the muck. You could see where, for whatever reason, it had run off the road then stopped in the muck. There were 2 bubba trucks trying to pull it out, one with a tow strap on the tractor and the other with a tow strap on the truck with the tow strap on the tractor. Both of the bubba trucks were also mired up and nothing had moved anywhere. A total goat rodeo. There was a cop there, looking at all this mess and trying to keep traffic impeded more. I figured it was going to take one of those huge tractor-trailer tow trucks with a 200ft cable to hook on to all of them and yank them out. A Kaleb moment. --R On 3/7/15 4:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So the hi lift jack, off road base, and lift mate arrived so I started around 10:30 this morning digging the truck out. Just now got done. That was a whore of a job. I just don't think the real deal hi lift is as good of quality as they used to be. After a while it because almost impossible after pumping the handle down to get it back up, it kept catching on something. Then on one wheel the plate kept sliding out and I ended up putting a big old dent in my truck. Plenty of choice words were used. Anyway I finally got that pig out of the mud and I am work plumb out. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres
Possums (1998) - IMDb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/ www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/ Internet Movie Database Rating: 5.6/10 - 233 votes /Possums/ (1998) Poster ... /Possums/ -- A feel good story about a team facing an impossible task with an /Possums/ -- A feel . This /movie/ sucked · johnson-wp. Full Cast Crew http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/fullcredits/ - Trivia http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/trivia - Awards http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/awards - Parents Guide http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/parentalguide --R On 3/7/15 4:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If you happen to see a movie called Possums on Netflix of wherever it was 100% filmed on location right here in new Okie acre land. It's a low budget movie but it's actually pretty good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Here ya go snowboys
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a25266/flying-parachute-snowmobile-video/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Play Taps for a W124
I looked at those pics, glad she made it through mostly functional. What was the reason for the crash? --R On 3/13/15 2:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:04:01 -0600 Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm glad Shirley wasn't in the passenger side! Respond to this email, please! Dan was to have cancelled the previous one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey Max, about that airbag...
This might be fun to do, but around our locale the use of a watermelon would not be advised http://sploid.gizmodo.com/this-is-what-happens-when-an-airbag-deploys-a-hundredth-1690481385 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Radio Shack Stores Closing
Many moons ago I worked with this woman, a sales babe (she subscribed to this description and flaunted it, and totally was) was going on one evening at dinner about how she and her husband took showers together but one was always cold because both couldn't be under the shower together. So I was flying back home a coupla days later from wherever this conversation took place, and saw a double shower head thing in that catalog, one shower head was on this long bending arm that could stick out and over the tub or whatever, and the other was where the normal shower head was. So I ripped out that page and sent it to her. She was totally crazy over it, and bought one. At some time later when I saw her again somewhere, I got a FULL report on it. She loved it, and apparently so did her husband. Like they both really loved it. A lot. nudgenudgewinkwinksaynomore --R (SkyMall-enabled Couples Therapist) On 3/10/15 10:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Better not be for $180,000. Sky Mall always had crazy crap like that. I think they went out of business because much of their catalog was crazy crap nobody would ever buy. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Radio Shack Stores Closing Is this the sub for a bath tub? On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm worried about where I'll find that personal submarine I've always been wanting should I finally hit it rich. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Radio Shack Stores Closing Oh no! Now what overpriced weird stuff am I going to buy on the airplane? --R On 3/9/15 11:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Sky Mall is also dead or about to be so. No Sky Mall catalog on my flight yesterday. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Radio Shack Stores Closing Sharper Image stores have vanished too - except online they are still hawking their cool stuff. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So where will get our needles now? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2015, at 7:56 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wonder if they're closing down their mailorder operation as well? I've bought several things there the stores didn't stock such as phonograph needles. Gerry Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Such a shame. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals
Re: [MBZ] Looks like he has listed the car
That's the power you get when you run it on FREE VEG OIL but then drops from 40mpg to more like 25 but it is still FREE --R On 3/10/15 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Where is he getting 250hp? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looks like he has listed the car Plastic dip paint? WTF is he talking about? On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: needs a good plasti dip paint job and some rims Yo you needs some twennyfos yo And isn't plasti dip that stuff you use to put rubbery handles on tools? --R On 3/9/15 7:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: We had a deal at 2500 and he backs out. I'm going to email him from a different email account and offer less turbo diesel mercedes 350sd http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4924501562.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Radio Shack Stores Closing
Didn't that chain get bought by Family Dollar? Or the other way around? Might be reorientation over that. --R On 3/10/15 3:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Radio junk here was gone in a week after the announcement. We used to have 2 radio junk stores. Today I see the Dollar General is closing. Bad sign when Dollar Gen can't make it. Family Dollar near my Daughter's house is gone also, but Dollar Gen closed one and opened 2 new stores there. I am wondering if we may be getting a new Dollar Gen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] top gear stripped?
So, when the producer said The show's executive producer, Andy Wilman, described last year as an anus horribilis for the programme he was referring to Jeremy? But the irritation was the charm, like how someone so irritating could be so... irritating. It made it fun to watch him be subjected to unpleasant situations. --R On 3/10/15 2:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There's a fine line between charm and irritating... On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: bub but but that was the charm of the show! --R On 3/10/15 2:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I hadn't realized he was such an a**hole. Good riddance. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sounds like top gear may be stripped. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31824040 Borrowed form MBCA Hawaii section: Don't know, don't care no cable tv. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] List Issues
Get Hillary! on it, she seems competent with email and server issues --R On 3/11/15 5:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Just so everyone is aware, there are some issues with the list's admin interface that are preventing us from accessing approvals. Kaleb has opened a ticket on this with the service provider. If you have messages requiring approval in the queue, they'll be held up until this gets resolved. Sorry. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Could be interesting
I think they are going to be building those at the expanded Sprinter plant up the road. THey have the dizzel in the Sprinter, would seem easy to put it in these. --R On 3/11/15 7:51 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: I was surprised by the gas engine too. But I'm still impressed by it... Should do well Jaime On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.autonews.com/article/20150305/OEM04/150309896 Too bad Jaime can't convince MomBUSA to get em to bring in the Vito Dissel in place of the gasser. Even so, it might be an alternative to the dogde van in a few years. (Also borrowed from the MBCA Hawaii section) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Austin TX Rental Car Info?
I just bottled a Fullers London Porter clone last night. It tasted good out of the carboy, 2 weeks will tell the full story! --R On 3/12/15 9:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: How does that compare to Fuller's London Porter, my gold standard so far? On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not even close. The BEST beer is Berkshire Brewing Coffeehouse porter... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT apropos of nothing, but interesting and I thought good
A guy I have become friends with was quite an agitator back in his day, and continues on now. He turned 80 a coupla weeks ago but still has the fire in him. He was very involved in a strike here in Charleston back in the 60s when black nurses at the hospital were not being treated fairly, and it caused some significant changes not only at the hospital (which are still commented on today by the management) but in the whole city of Charleston. Understanding that this city was ground zero for Secession, and before that the importation of slaves, makes it even more significant in comparison to some other cities perhaps. He and others were arrested multiple times, usually with no particular reason, was just part of the game back then. Bill grew up on this island where I live, and continues to fight for preservation of the island and the Gullah culture that was prevalent for hundreds of years, and is still a part of life here though it is diminishing as the younger people move away. One of the women talks about setting up a school on the island, which was rebuilt a coupla years ago and is an outstanding school now. There is a lot more, but this guy was one of the true heroes (and I use that word very seriously) for the improvement of our society, not just here but in the wider world. Anyway, if anyone has 20some minutes to watch this, it is quite interesting to compare what these folks say and what we hear so much about now. You can draw your own conclusions, but hearing it from some very humble people has more effect I think. I downloaded this and put it on itunes to watch on my TV, if your TV has the youtube app you can find it too. A bit more pleasant to watch sitting in the easy chair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP9d-uaeXNo --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] top gear stripped?
I love Granny, but I fear her experience with the motors was limited only to her accepting the chauffeur into the family! --R On 3/10/15 6:23 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: So, when the producer said The show's executive producer, Andy Wilman, described last year as an anus horribilis for the programme he was referring to Jeremy? But the irritation was the charm, like how someone so irritating could be so... irritating. It made it fun to watch him be subjected to unpleasant situations. --R As the Lady Dowager in Downton Abbey remarked, there is a point at which malice is no longer amusing, and you've just reached it. Top Gear has it's good points, but being a complete jerk on the air (and racially offensive at that) goes too far. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Should I or shouldn't I?
Just do it --Nike On 3/8/15 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Looked at a 91 350sd today, odo shows 228k, seller said it worked but I know the trip odo did not work and did not notice if the main odo worked. Guy bought it off original owner and he has the service records back to new. Appears well maintained. Has had a little bid of paint work done on the drivers side. Very very clean engine with very little blow by. Asked how much oil it used and he says a qt every 3 tanks of fuel, so probably 1500 miles or so. It did not have that oil burning smell like I have seen other rod benders have and did not smoke. Rear muffler fell off so it needs to be replaced or maybe put back on. Noticed some jb weld on oil pan, he said he scraped the oil pan in his driveway and it did not crack by just applied it in case it did start leaking. I did not observe any leaks. Also needs tires and a couple glow plugs. He is selling it because he needs a truck for works. Wants $2500, I offered 2k and he said he had to get 2500. Told him I would think about it. It is a nice well documented car but not sure if I am being to cheap. 2500 seems fair for the car but I would like to be closer to 2. I have always wanted a 91 126 diesel and it does drive very nice. Shifts good, suspension feels good. Interior in good shape. Has a few dings here and there. Clean carfax. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '85TD interior fan odd behavior
The controller is probably going bad (or is bad I guess), bad solder joints or connections or switches or something. The repeat turning on aspect might just be happenstance that it decides to work at some point. Did you actually CHANGE YOUR FUSE? --R On 3/8/15 6:30 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: Guys, Just thought I'd touch base to see if any of you have experienced the same fan oddity and found the cause, etc. While driving around the other day on some errands and stopping/starting the car occasionally, the interior fan would not turn on after a restart unless I turned the car off again (sometimes it would require 2X restarts for the fan to start). Anyone got any suggestions as to where/what to look for? And, no it's not the fuse (8). TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Temporal Discontinuity
Is anyone else totally ferklempt with the DST time change thing? Does anyone else find this whole business completely stupid and bothersome? I grew up in Indiana, the time never changed so in the winter we were on Central Time and in the summer we were on Eastern time, or maybe the other way around, I forget, doesn't matter anyway. No one ever had an issue with it. Then I moved to places where the time changes and everyone I know complains about it. That is my anecdotal survey of the stupidity of it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Austin TX Rental Car Info?
Lots of good Q there. The Broken Spoke is a good venue for music, as is the whole 6th St corridor. Go watch the bats at the bridge in the evening too. Austin is the containment area for liberals in Texas. And Shiners, you gotta drink Shiners. --R On 3/11/15 9:52 AM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote: My family and I will be visiting my daughter who lives on Jim Hogg, Austin, TX 78756. We will be flying on Delta, leaving from Kalamazoo on April 5 and departing Austin on April 11. We will need to rent a car. Does anyone know of any deals/favorable places to rent from. Looking for something fun to drive and kinda sporty. There will be 8 of of us and we will have use of my old 1990 Chevy conversion van that she took with her when she moved to Austin. She has been there for about 2 years and loves it. Also, is there anything we must do/see while we are there? Looking forward to having some fun and eating well. Thanks in advance, mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks like he has listed the car
CAR SHAKE AT IDLE? --R On 3/10/15 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea, it drives fine, suspension and steering feel good, shifts are perfect if a little on the stiff side (good), has plenty of power, idles smooth and does not shake from side to side like it has uneven compression from a bent rod. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 240D (W123 Diesel) PHX CL Bueno
How are the breaks? --R On 3/24/15 12:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: like that it's a 3 peddle car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores in, no mayday. Most curious, as were other Airbus crashes. Pilots comment? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for yall tool hounds in NC
I'm gonna be up in Sburg this weekend, that is not too far. I was looking at that big printer... --R On 3/24/15 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Nearly 4 hrs. from me, and I don't need any more stuff. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:32 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT for yall tool hounds in NC http://ironhorseauction.com/index.php?ap=1pid=41765 shop tools, welders etc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 240D (W123 Diesel) PHX CL Bueno
If the breaks and peddles work why do you care about all that other stuff? Its a Merzaydees! --R On 3/24/15 11:08 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It also did not say anything about getting 40mpg Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It didn't say anything about the AC being ICE COLD. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Ebay it should sell at auction for around $12k On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How are the breaks? --R On 3/24/15 12:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: like that it's a 3 peddle car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for yall tool hounds in NC
Spartanburg SC --R On 3/24/15 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sharpsburg? Strassburg? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm gonna be up in Sburg this weekend, that is not too far. I was looking at that big printer... --R On 3/24/15 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Nearly 4 hrs. from me, and I don't need any more stuff. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:32 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT for yall tool hounds in NC http://ironhorseauction.com/index.php?ap=1pid=41765 shop tools, welders etc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
The whole flight profile is likely programmed into the autopilot and engaged at some point after takeoff (though I think these planes can take off and land themselves once told to do so by the pilots), so when it reaches cruise altitude it then levels out, engines are trimmed, whatever to maintain proper altitude and speed. It has been noted in other Airbuses that some of the external sensors (angle-of-attack and pitot tube speed sensors) have iced up or quit working, which then buggers the autopilot into thinking that it needs to do something, usually improper. I think that is what happened to the one that crashed into the Atlantic a few years ago, best they could figure. The pilots might not know if the indicators are wrong, and the autopilot is doing its thing, until too late to do anything about it. This one took several minutes to descend though, so one would think the pilots would notice that, but in the Atlantic crash they seemed quite confused and ended up doing the wrong things and flew into the water, somewhat similar situation though I think that one involved some thunderstorms. If a windscreen shatters that could cause all kinds of commotion, autopilot or not. Rapid depressurization, pilots knocked out, they fall on the stick, override the autopilot, who knows, but a Very Bad situation. Air is bled off the compressor stages on the engines to pressurize the aircraft, so the oxygen is coming from the air outside the plane, which is at maybe 1/4 or less of the pressure at ground level. There is supplemental oxygen should the aircraft lose pressurization (the yellow masks) and the pilots have their own supply that should be within easy reach, if they are in a condition to reach their masks and turn on the oxygen. If they get the recorders data they should be able to figure it out. --R On 3/25/15 11:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but here goes anyway: What puzzles me is that this all transpired just as they reached cruising altitude. Coincidence?? I'd like to know what, if anything, do the pilots would do (manually) when they reach cruising altidue. If the pilots have no taks or checklists, then what does the computer that runs the plane do when the aircraft reches cruising altitude? If a windshield cracked why did this occure exactyl at the moment the plane reached 38,000'? How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day at 30k ft and 400some kts. --R On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day at 30k ft and 400some kts. --R On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
You can survive quite well over 10k ft, 20k is pushing it though some have conquered Everest 28k ft with no supplemental oxygen. I have trekked at 14k+ ft and spent a couple days at 12k+, it is a challenge but if you are fairly fit you can do it OK, some better than others (the Quechua basically run marathons at 10k+ in 4 hours or so, up and down the mountains on the Inca trail, but they are born there and live their whole lives at high altitude, as do the Sherpas). A bunch of ski resorts are at 10k+ ft at the top, no problem. My wife has a problem at altitude but it has never bothered me other than the heavy breathing to get enough O2. I think the big problem in a plane is rapid decompression which can blast your ears really hard, then confusion, then lack of oxygen if you can't get it quickly enough, plus it is really cold up there if a windscreen blows out, someone could freeze very quickly if that happens -- -40F and 400+ kt is not conducive to life. --R who was once on an Eastern 727 when it depressurized, twice, at not too high an altitude and had No Fun On 3/25/15 12:21 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: At altitudes over 10,000 feet, the air pressure is too low for your lungs to absorb the oxygen out of it, so you can suffocate (three minutes or less). If you have the presence of mind, you can grunt breath, which is too use your diaphragm to try to force the air out of your lungs but hold your breath. This compresses the air in your lungs enough so you can get a little oxygen, but this is a short term fix and I'm sure it becomes less effective at higher altitudes. If the pressurized cabin of the aircraft is compromised, the air pressure inside the plane drops and then your lungs won't work without help. In between normal pressure and pressure so low you can't get oxygen, there are various other nasty things that happen if you are oxygen starved. You will still be conscious and probably unaware, but your brain loses its ability to perform. You lose your ability to solve problems and perform tasks. -Max with one ride in a high-altitude pressure chamber trainer On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] But can you mount a .50 on it?
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/mercedes-is-building-a-mid-sized-luxury-pickup-world-h-1694013561 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] new Snookmobile
http://jalopnik.com/for-3-985-this-custom-1988-bmw-750il-is-a-wide-load-1692944875 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL ad of the weak
We should go look at it just to meet the guy, maybe take a few beers along. --R On 3/23/15 10:21 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The car's engine turns over and roars to life with one simple twist of the key, only trouble maker is the transmission. There's no fumbling, cranking, pumping the pedal, stalling or waiting for the zombies to come and kill you. Fact: This car would NEVER be featured as a get-away-car in a zombie horror film because it would get you away from whatever is trying to eat, dissolve, melt, vaporize, mate, shoot or kill you. ... All this and more for only $1500... https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4940392746.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Looks Like Mercedes' Inline-Six Revival Will Come With Lots Of Turbos
http://jalopnik.com/looks-like-mercedes-inline-six-revival-will-come-with-l-1693070677 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML
In Texas you have the illegals hauling a dozen people who wreck and kill a bunch and no one really cares, Happens quite often. Mostly due to stupidity, which apparently is a constitutional right. A lot of the gun murders are young black men killing one another, no one particularly cares because their guns are illegal or they are criminals, etc. Hard to regulate criminal behavior, and when it is tried, the media have fits. These multiple things are anecdotal but grab the headlines far more than their contribution to the total body count. Wasn't there some Canadian event a coupla weeks ago? --R On 3/2/15 5:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of course in this instance, you do know him. Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?) about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of his family members? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
My grandmother was a Cummins but unfortunately not of the engine family. My luck of the draw I guess. --R On 3/2/15 3:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yes that is correct. The cummins will no longer be in the ram trucks starting in 2018. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wittnebelatypical...@gmail.com wrote: Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
No, he's in Massachusetts. --R On 3/2/15 3:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. When you get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a brush to clean your shoes with. You can't touch anything when you ride with him, he'd have to clean it afterward. Washes and details the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I wouldn't let him use my truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get out his testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a compensator. He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either. -Curt Do bear in mind, that you folks are down there where people shoot each other for less provocation than this. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
Somebody there told me they don't make much off the goods they sell, most of their profit is from the membership fees. I'm not quite sure how that works, I have the Exec membership, which costs like a $100, and I got $78 back this year on the rebate it comes with. They told me when I got it if I don't get the cost of it back they will credit it to me, but I have not gone and asked for it so I don't know. I guess I should try but I never remember to do it. Its a store credit, so not cash, but if you use it then you pay less cash. Costco stuff is indeed of considerable quality and the prices are lower or competitive on value, and if you have any issue whatsoever they will replace or refund no questions asked. You really can't go wrong. Gas is a lot cheaper too, usually like 10cents/gal. I had Sams in Houston as they were fairly close by, and it was OK but I like Costco better. --R On 3/2/15 3:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their business models are very different. Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them. Costco has a reputation for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable prices. Costco has a reputation for paying their employees well, and having very low turnover. Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at the expense of consumers. I don't think Sam's shares these reputations. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] I want this
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/mercedes-benz-news/2288657-mercedes-g500-4-4-squared-serious.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] E-Class fights back
It had the brick-proof windows --R On 3/3/15 1:07 AM, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote: https://autos.yahoo.com/news/car-thief-throws-brick-mercedes-throws-back-180050064.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
Yeah I think they do. They started with the 150 and will be rolling them into the other weights. That is a lot of ching for a truck though, no matter how nice. I guess I'll keep my 96 Chebby going a few decades more. --R On 3/2/15 11:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Beats me. I really didn't look that closely at it, as I have no interest in trucks of any sort. I knew pickups were expensive these day, but holy cow! You could buy a pretty nice MB for that kind of coin. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: But that has the new super light aluminium body, right? On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000! I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to it laughed when he heard me. I hear that all day long whenever people look at that. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
Did you fill it with gas? --R On 3/2/15 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I used an unbranded Amex car at Costco without any problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
Costco accepts any debit cards but only the Amex CREDIT card. --R On 3/2/15 10:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte pharmacy. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for Costco's card services. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams --R On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote: Am I missing something? I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not affiliated with Sam's in any way. Mike michael...@mac.com (C) 231.286.2344 On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads. On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte pharmacy. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for Costco's card services. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9212 - Release Date: 03/02/15 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
I think they will just give you one. but then you have to deal with it. Debit works in the self-serve lanes but cash you have to deal with a human --R On 3/2/15 1:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Cash still works. From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco i am very unenthused about applying for yet another credit card. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: IIRC, you can use MC or Visa debit cards at Sam's, but NOT Visa credit cards, only MC. I am almost 100% positive of this, as I've tried to use my dual function Visa at Sam's as a credit card and they won't do it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Am I missing something? I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not affiliated with Sam's in any way. Mike michael...@mac.com (C) 231.286.2344 On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads. On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte pharmacy. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for Costco's card services. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9212 - Release Date: 03/02/15 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] build sheets
http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/ --R On 2/26/15 10:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:09:04 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ask and you shall receive On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have access to build sheets for particular vehicles? How about: 1995 Mercedes Benz E320 WDBEA32E7SC217008 ? Thanks, Max. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: More IT, good wireless router / DSL Modem options
I have one I'll bring --R On 2/27/15 1:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: My $30 router/modem has (partially) died after just a few years. Suggestions on a replacement? I liked having both DSL modem and wireless router in one package, but if a good argument can be made for splitting them up, I'm open to that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-foundation-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702 --R On 2/27/15 8:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
My cousin is a vegan and runs several marathons a year, hikes and bikes, does that cross-fit business, and could probably kick any of our asses in half a minute without even breaking a sweat. Not only that, she is very cute and smart! I don't think she has any particular ideological issue, just decided it was a more healthful way for her own lifestyle. YMMV. --R On 2/26/15 8:13 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I agree, but do have one example of an exception - our flight instructor and I.A. has been a vegan for approx. 50 yrs. He also operates as a one man construction company. He is as thin as a rail, but works 6 days a week, and has forever. He's been fighting leukemia for the last 8 years without chemo or radiation. He's 76 now, and is just starting to talk about slowing down a little, though I haven't seen him starting to yet. His first job out of college was as a pilot for the State Ag university. He flew profs and school officials around to various food industry sites around the4 country and decided that God did not intend for animals to live like that. He stopped eating all meat and animal products then and hasn't since. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am nothing but a plus size model, but it always amazes me how aged the vegans and healthy eaters look. Bad hair, bad skin, scrawny, looking as if they had just been liberated by allied forces in the spring of 1945. They are gobbling up supplements and biotics to attempt to keep at bay the same destruction to their bodies their own habits have caused. Eat a Cheese burger, won't cha? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Help us understand why anything is incorrect. Have you read the 300+ pages of the regulations that were voted on? It is my understanding that the proposed regs had not been released to the public (by the most transparent administration in history) so it would be kinda hard to know what it all covered. And any reports apparently would be by leaks or propaganda about it? I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. --R On 2/27/15 12:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Incorrect on every point. This is about getting the big ISPs regulated correctly and prevents them stifling competition. Without it we'll never see another YouTube or Facebook or Google develop because the ISPs will charge them so much for bandwidth they'll never be able to get off the ground. I'd like to see it go further and prevent the ISPs from being anything other than portals. Clearly companies like Comcast with their services that compete with things like Youtube and Netflix put them in a position where they are tempted to abuse their access to users... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
It's because I pointed out something about the fat guy and someone started in on vegans and then... --R On 2/27/15 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB On 27/02/2015 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
I don't know, she was in the Navy and seems fairly conservative except for the purple hair she is now sporting (which actually is quite alluring). But maybe so, all these foolish young people want their free sh...tuff. --R On 2/27/15 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I would wager a modest sum that she voted for that non-Christian hater of America, who's not like you or I... On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My cousin is a vegan and runs several marathons a year, hikes and bikes, does that cross-fit business, and could probably kick any of our asses in half a minute without even breaking a sweat. Not only that, she is very cute and smart! I don't think she has any particular ideological issue, just decided it was a more healthful way for her own lifestyle. YMMV. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R On 3/3/15 1:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Exactly right. And most likely before the cops could show up to do the deed. And most likely saving (my and) other lives in the process. Exactly right. The interesting thing is, most of these random shootings do not occur in places where the perp is likely to face opposition. They have the foresight to select a soft target, and when it is likely the target will not be soft, the perps either don't do the deed, or go somewhere easier. So deterrence works, and self-protection works. I understand that some people just can't grasp or accept the realities involved. Even in places where the gun laws are stringent, wackos find a way, either with a gun or something else. France and the Charlie Hebdo business comes to mind, even the cop did not have a weapon to defend himself and the people he was guarding. You have the right to your beliefs and I respect that though I disagree and find them puzzling when the facts mitigate against them. But, YMMV. --R (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away) On 3/3/15 3:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns
A friend of mine owned a sporting goods store in MA of all places, and had a firearms sales permit, which apparently included automatic weapons. One night we were socializing and he says he just sold 2 mini-guns to some foreign buyer. These were the things that go like 3000 or 6000 rounds per minute, like mounted on helicopters for hosing down targets quickly. I think they were made by GE or some subsidiary, might have been located in MA, I don't remember. So this was intriguing, turns out his store had the necessary permits for selling and exporting this thing so he was basically just the pass-through on it. I don't recall him ever saying who the buyer was, or if we asked he averred on the identification, which was further intriguing as to who would be buying these, how they had the necessary permits to do so, with the foreign connection, etc. I could see mounting one on the front of the truck. Maybe both. --R On 3/3/15 3:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: You are correct. The sale of all new full automatic weapons is forbidden to private ownership since the 1986 law took effect. Only those owned prior to that date are permitted to be owned. The resultant effect has been a huge escalation in value for those guns. The $1,000 dollar full automatic cheaply made AK 47 now sells for $12,000 and up, plus fees for license. Production and sale of full auto continues to the military and select police units. Not private citizens. The mini guns you see on TV may be made for hollywood props ? I have contact with a manufacturer of the mini gun used by the military, and I can tell you, it is tightly and securely controlled.. every part is accounted for under DOD contract. Federal inspectors are on site full time. Interesting fact: If Chicago, Detroit, and NYC firearm murder statistics were removed from the calculations, USA would rate second from the bottom in worldwide number of firearm deaths.. I take note that those three cities have the most draconian gun laws against private ownership in the whole United States.. The conclusion can be made that murderers prefer unarmed victims.. On 3/3/15, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You still need a gun that was originally licensed before the 1986 ban on full autos. I do wonder about the mini-guns I see on TV, must be some special licensing law there... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Addison Thompson' as.thomp...@cox.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
My niece, for reasons I will not go into, had fairly direct knowledge of that situation and would say you are incorrect in your characterization of it. It was mostly a political hack job. --R On 3/4/15 1:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
I read where he never brushed his teeth, would just swish green tea around. Apparently he could knock a buzzard off a wagon. --R On 3/4/15 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Facts now Fonts
This looks like fun http://www.wherethesmileshavebeen.com/how-to-turn-your-handwriting-into-a-font-for-free/ Back to work now --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
The BRUSHMASTER is the one for you I like the Ruger pistola, those are some nice little plinking arms --R On 3/4/15 3:21 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Details/4674 I am thinking of getting a heater and a stove at this place. The Kriss Vector .45 looks sleek clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R On 3/4/15 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, Grant. I had skin in that game, as I had a family member who required hospitalization on a couple of occasions for mental health issues. Fortunately for them at the time it was pre-Reagan dismantling of public health services and they were able to get the care and attention they needed for proper treatment. I'm pleased to say that they are and have been a contributing member of our society as a result of this and other resources that were available at the time. I work in an urban area where there are many homeless folks. I'm sure some are there because they choose to be, but a fair number of them are clearly in need of mental health services that just don't exist. While none that I have seen appear to be a threat to society, I often wonder about those we *don't* see who are living on the fringes and have or could be identified as being in need of such services. Hmm. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
I bought a new hearing aid, best kind money can buy. Cost me $8000. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. G: Please let me know if the hearing aid you buy helps in a noisy environment. My hearing aids, which were state of the art programmable about 15 years ago, have never helped that problem; and I have never talked to anyone who had a hearing aid that did although every hearing company for the past 40 years has claimed that theirs solves the noisy environment situation. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. G: My Blue Cross insurance pays $1000 per hearing aid as do many other insurors. This has been in effect for only a couple of years. If you are on the counties group insurance plan, they may not. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan G: Costco sounds like a good bet since they have a fine reputation in other respects. Otherwise, it's best to go to an ENT M.D. who has his own audiologist and sells hearing aids. Most of the rest are in the same category as car salesmen IMO. Another option I just remembered was a med school. UF med school has a good hearing department and sells hearing aids. USF may have one as well. Suggestion: Buy the best you can afford since even the best is seldom as good as you hope for. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Bow down and welcome our child overlords --R On 3/5/15 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: Yesterday my wife called me at work with a question about MS Word and adding/importing clipart. I didn't know enough to talk her through it over the phone, best I could offer was press F1 to bring up the Help dialogue, use the search function there and follow the directions. Right after I said that, our 8-year old (who was home sick with a fever) happened upon the scene, and I hear I can show you Mommy, press this... and help was rendered (and I was off the hook, both figuratively and literally). I'm thinking we should get the 8-year old a cell phone so Momma can call her with her help desk questions. -Max On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
Some years ago I got to fly on the world's highest-time DC-3 in passenger service, from Hyannis to Nantucket, flown by Provincetown-Boston Airways (PBA) It was a gorgeous plane with the old-style big comfy seats, 2x2 and lots of legroom. I was disappointed the flight was only 15min, I would have gone transatlantic on it! --R On 3/5/15 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: They are still flying a daily scheduled trip north out of Yellowknife with DC3's that are 70 or more years old. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts? IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to start another oil thread. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] ML
Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They tried twice to stick me with the $650 documentation fee and we finally walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and wasting our time with their jerkaround. Whole deal took 4 hr to come to agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to finalize. Their whole process is not geared to buying more to shopping. The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast. I clued my wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, so she played her role well. 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front pads 50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether. This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
Yeah I tested that! --R Sent from iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it has stability control, be careful to stay below speeds were it actuates (it doesn't necessarily announce that), otherwise you can experience very short brake and tire life and excessive fuel consumption. My buddy Hans has had a couple go through the shop with those complaints, turns out the driver just stuffs his foot down and lets the car slow down for curves Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
They had a black/black E63 wagon sitting in the showroom too. I will admit I sinned multiple times with Lust In My Heart. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hard acceleration in turns seems to be the sort of thing that does the most harm. I'm a poky driver these days, so I'd not have much trouble I don't think, but with all that torque it may be an issue! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
So we went back this aft to finalize the deal. We did some .99% financing, basically free money. We are going through all the docs, Guy shoves over the final contract, I look at it and WTF is this number? The numbers on the contract do not match what we agreed on, the doc fee reappeared and they tried to double charge for the ext warranty, which the sales guy had rolled into the price. So the money guy did not coordinate with the sales guy. I sorta blew up at the guy, threw the pen down, and made clear this whole thing was BS. I mean how hard can it be? So another 10 min to recast the bones, print a new contract etc etc. I actually don't think there was anything malicious but it was like this was the first time they had ever sold a car. Incredible. There were various other tire kickers and window shoppers in there, I guess they don't really get buyers often, mostly shoppers and time wasters so their primary mode is to waste time. Anyway, the car is beautiful and mama loves it, so success I guess. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:38 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, indeed! Wilton Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is even better is the willingness to walk, and to do it. That's one thing my Dad always emphasized - there's nothing more terrifying to a car salesman than to have someone on the hook to walk out. Dan On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:24 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ATTABOY! Especially well done re. sticking it to 'em on the BS they call documention fee. 'Can't think of anything I dislike any more than dealing with a car salesman. Wilton Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They tried twice to stick me with the $650 documentation fee and we finally walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and wasting our time with their jerkaround. Whole deal took 4 hr to come to agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to finalize. Their whole process is not geared to buying more to shopping. The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast. I clued my wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, so she played her role well. 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front pads 50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether. This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] ML
Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me. There's a bunch around similar prices. MB announces a new CpO deal tomorrow. We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 1, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am looking for another gl but have thought about ml, what did you pay for it? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So we went back this aft to finalize the deal. We did some .99% financing, basically free money. We are going through all the docs, Guy shoves over the final contract, I look at it and WTF is this number? The numbers on the contract do not match what we agreed on, the doc fee reappeared and they tried to double charge for the ext warranty, which the sales guy had rolled into the price. So the money guy did not coordinate with the sales guy. I sorta blew up at the guy, threw the pen down, and made clear this whole thing was BS. I mean how hard can it be? So another 10 min to recast the bones, print a new contract etc etc. I actually don't think there was anything malicious but it was like this was the first time they had ever sold a car. Incredible. There were various other tire kickers and window shoppers in there, I guess they don't really get buyers often, mostly shoppers and time wasters so their primary mode is to waste time. Anyway, the car is beautiful and mama loves it, so success I guess. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:38 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, indeed! Wilton Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is even better is the willingness to walk, and to do it. That's one thing my Dad always emphasized - there's nothing more terrifying to a car salesman than to have someone on the hook to walk out. Dan On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:24 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ATTABOY! Especially well done re. sticking it to 'em on the BS they call documention fee. 'Can't think of anything I dislike any more than dealing with a car salesman. Wilton Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They tried twice to stick me with the $650 documentation fee and we finally walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and wasting our time with their jerkaround. Whole deal took 4 hr to come to agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to finalize. Their whole process is not geared to buying more to shopping. The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast. I clued my wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, so she played her role well. 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front pads 50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether. This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor
[MBZ] Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
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Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R On 3/4/15 7:41 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote: I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Amazon Parts
I have had my wife order stuff from Amazon and get it shipped free in 2 days with Prime, no 10% sales tax. Great deal. I have noticed most of the FLAPs will do something similar, if you find it on their web site and buy it then go pick it up at the store, or have it shipped to the store, but then you have to pay the local tax. Amazon is also quite good from a customer service perspective from what I have experienced. for stuff you don't need right now it's a great deal. --R On 2/22/15 6:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Interesting read: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/how-amazon-will-slowly-murder-the-auto-parts-stores-1683776505 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past it. We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... --R On 2/22/15 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OK What do you think?
I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
yep --R On 2/23/15 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
Put the back up on stands, loosen the diff from its support bracket and let it down a bit (I think with a jack?) which frees up the axles to slide out/in. You need to take off the diff cover to get at some retainer rings in there (quite fiddly, I remember that part!), so make sure you can get the filler plug off first so you can fill it back up after. It is actually not too hard, just fiddly. There are seals too you got to be careful of. The first one I did took a coupla hours then the other side was a lot faster. I vaguely recall the brake rotors have to come off to get the axle out of the axle/wheel carrier/bearing (it was quite a while ago I did so the details are a bit vague). This was on the 123 TD, not sure what your car is but it is probably a similar process if yours is different. There is a procedure in the manual that is fairly straightforward. Not too hard, but you have to get under the car and it can be a bit tight to do it while on your back lifting stuff around and reaching into the diff. Be a good opportunity to refresh the diff lube too. --R On 2/23/15 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: So how difficult of a job is that? I reckon you gotta have a lift. Bob R On Feb 23, 2015 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: yep --R On 2/23/15 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
So what I am dealing with here is she asserted the need for a new car of some sort, most likely SUV or pickup so she can haul bikes and various other stuff that is a mystery to me. I got a $ range and a list of things she DOESN'T want, as below. It has to be reliable or have some sort of warranty to fix anything that breaks, basically she doesn't want to deal with anything automotive-related except to drive it. Most cars these days are fairly reliable it seems, but repair costs would be the killer if something does go wrong. So I started offering some thoughts and she quickly got overwhelmed (she has a hard time with multi-dimensional choices) and said she just wanted me to tell her the best choice. The BMW factory is here in SC, they make the X SUV things, so that was something that had appeal. I suggested a Benz SUV and showed her some MLs and GLs. She thought they looked nice and some of the used ones are in the acceptable price range (interest rates are low, so that helps on price). I was thinking CPO or some sort of aftermarket warranty thing like Carmax offers. I guess the next step is to get her to a dealer or Carmax or something where she can see some vehicles. Maybe even a lease to cover the fixing aspect, but I guess a CPO would be nearly as good. --R On 2/23/15 1:09 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: If you can get a certified one, doesn't the warranty increase to 100K? If you want to drive a Mercedes because you like them, appreciate the quality, etc and can afford it, I would think a CPO would be a great way to go. Is your wife the kind that wants a newer car every 5 years or so? If so, the GL or ML doesn't have to last forever and might still be under the certified warranty. If you plan to buy it until the wheels fall off, that's a different story. For S30-40,000 you can buy a very nice SUV of just about any make and probably many are still under original warranty: You can find all kinds of Explorers and even Expeditions with much lower mileage and only 1-2 years old and under factory warranty for the same or probably lower prices. Here's an ML that is still in factory warranty: http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11373748AVi=85No=80Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page I suppose Honda's are out? http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11698598AVi=38No=20Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page My father has a Toyota Highlander and absolutely loves it. http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11430560AVi=102No=100Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page Don Snook -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OK What do you think? I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
So, I posed this question to our guides in Patagonia in the Torres del Paine park in Chile. The mountains there are 4000ish feet high which is more than a kilometer, call it 1.5km. They told us the mountains were under a km of ice, so that makes that the ice was 2.5ish km thick (above current ground level, would have been a lot higher when the sea level was lower because of the snow/ice had a lot of water locked up), call it 7-8000 ft thick, could have been quite a bit more. That ice, except for the Great Southern Ice Sheet up in the mountains, is gone and the climate/weather there is sorta like Colorado, warm in summer, cold in winter. The guides were going on about climate change and global warming, so I asked why 2km of ice melted starting 10,000 years ago or whenever -- there were no power plants or SUVs at that time, and humans were just starting to move over to the Americas, and certainly not way down to El Fin del Mundo. They sorta locked up and dropped the subject and I didn't press it. Note that this expresses no opinion one way or the other on the subject discussed below, but I have not seen an answer to this question. I am wondering if global warming climate change disruption also caused the ice age, but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Then if a big volcano or two lets off, well then you got some pretty serious global cooling. --R On 2/23/15 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
I am thinking this might be worth looking at http://www.mbnorthlake.com/certified/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-38bf7ca40a0a00657da2d4d36fee3e73.htm --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R On 2/25/15 11:59 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Since some are considering non-MB cars for their families: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/deadliest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9feSc#image=1 Chevrolet Aveo 5-Door Chevrolet Suburban 1500 2WD Chevrolet HHR Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4WD Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Aveo (4-door) Dodge Nitro 2WD Ford Focus (4-door) Honda Civic (4-door) Honda Civic (2-door) Hyundai Accent (2-door) Hyundai Accent (4-door) Jeep Patriot 2WD Kia Rio Mazda Mazda6 Mercury Grand Marquis Nissan cube Nissan Versa Hatchback Nissan Versa Sedan Rated on Driver deaths per million registered vehicles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
I have been listening to the inane commentary on NPR about this pipeline bidness. It is quite interesting how the opponents have managed to turn the discussion around aspects that are either 1) wrong, 2) irrelevant, 3) conflated, 4) partially true, 5) idiotic, 6) ignoring certain other factual aspects, 7) all of the above. And the journalists let it all slide without making the interviewees be rigorous in their arguments. It is a wonder to behold, I remember now why I missed sending in some dinero during the begathon the last 3 weeks. Note that this has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter, just an observation on how it has all unfolded. Even one of my TEA party-type friends was ecstatic Obama vetoed the bill, and got lots of likes from other flaming lib friends on his view. I tried to point out some aspects of his views on the matter that were positively wrong but he would not be swayed by facts. --R On 2/25/15 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old airbag
It has never really ended here, just better armaments --R (sent from my miniPad) On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: A war that's over or the war that never really ended? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can come out to my vast estate and set it off when the neighbors are having war day and shooting and blowing sh...tuff up. That would be most every Sunday. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 12V will definitely set it off. BE CAREFUL! Its best to do this far away from anything, with a long long wire. They pack a very serious punch and can really fly high into the air. And please do take a video :-) Jaime On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So I've replaced my '87 wagon airbag with the '91 from the knackers. What to do with the old? I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works. Of course, testing just one is not statistically significant. Hopefully others will join my test program. Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge? Have to take video to post on YouTube. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old airbag
You can come out to my vast estate and set it off when the neighbors are having war day and shooting and blowing sh...tuff up. That would be most every Sunday. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 12V will definitely set it off. BE CAREFUL! Its best to do this far away from anything, with a long long wire. They pack a very serious punch and can really fly high into the air. And please do take a video :-) Jaime On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So I've replaced my '87 wagon airbag with the '91 from the knackers. What to do with the old? I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works. Of course, testing just one is not statistically significant. Hopefully others will join my test program. Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge? Have to take video to post on YouTube. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
You are correct, the frod v. kraut decorative differences would probably not be particularly noticeable. She did contribute the criterion that she did not need Bluetooth on the radio. --R On 2/23/15 6:36 PM, clay wrote: How attached is swmba to the lux of having a kraut car over the generic interior a frod offers? I would guess that the top end appointments on an exploder would rival the benz and come to the same costs. I would also think the repair costs are fairly comparable. Toss up clay On Feb 23, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
So the ML350 has steel and the 430s and 550s and such have the air-ride feature? I thought about a GLK but not sure it would have sufficient room to haul the stuff she might want to haul. She has this elliptical bike thing that is about 6ft long and does not fit in any fashion on a bike rack so has to be loaded in the cargo bay. Would have to do some measuring on an ML to see if that is sufficient, probably so with the second row seats down. --R On 2/23/15 8:30 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I think you can't go wrong with a 6 cylinder ML with steel suspension. If you plan on long term ownership, avoid the air suspension. If you plan to sell it when the warranty is up, then get one with a V8 and air suspension! I think the MLs drive better than GLs... but I'm really a car guy so my opinion of how the trucks drive isn't all that useful. What about a GLK? Smaller, sure, but they're very easy to handle, simple and reliable too. I'm on my second one as a company car and like it much more than I thought I would. Jaime On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So what I am dealing with here is she asserted the need for a new car of some sort, most likely SUV or pickup so she can haul bikes and various other stuff that is a mystery to me. I got a $ range and a list of things she DOESN'T want, as below. It has to be reliable or have some sort of warranty to fix anything that breaks, basically she doesn't want to deal with anything automotive-related except to drive it. Most cars these days are fairly reliable it seems, but repair costs would be the killer if something does go wrong. So I started offering some thoughts and she quickly got overwhelmed (she has a hard time with multi-dimensional choices) and said she just wanted me to tell her the best choice. The BMW factory is here in SC, they make the X SUV things, so that was something that had appeal. I suggested a Benz SUV and showed her some MLs and GLs. She thought they looked nice and some of the used ones are in the acceptable price range (interest rates are low, so that helps on price). I was thinking CPO or some sort of aftermarket warranty thing like Carmax offers. I guess the next step is to get her to a dealer or Carmax or something where she can see some vehicles. Maybe even a lease to cover the fixing aspect, but I guess a CPO would be nearly as good. --R On 2/23/15 1:09 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: If you can get a certified one, doesn't the warranty increase to 100K? If you want to drive a Mercedes because you like them, appreciate the quality, etc and can afford it, I would think a CPO would be a great way to go. Is your wife the kind that wants a newer car every 5 years or so? If so, the GL or ML doesn't have to last forever and might still be under the certified warranty. If you plan to buy it until the wheels fall off, that's a different story. For S30-40,000 you can buy a very nice SUV of just about any make and probably many are still under original warranty: You can find all kinds of Explorers and even Expeditions with much lower mileage and only 1-2 years old and under factory warranty for the same or probably lower prices. Here's an ML that is still in factory warranty: http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11373748AVi=85No=80Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page I suppose Honda's are out? http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11698598AVi=38No=20Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page My father has a Toyota Highlander and absolutely loves it. http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11430560AVi=102No=100Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page Don Snook -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OK What do you think? I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look
[MBZ] OT RV bidness
So in my road trip ponderings this past weekend, and in others, I have noticed these big RV dealers here and there along the interstate roads. They have hundreds of buses and trailers parked on a few acres of land. Must be several $millions worth of inventory just sitting there. I wonder how that bidness operates, how many of those things they actually sell new or used or whatever it is the items are. Those big buses must be a coupla $hundredk easy, and those trailers look spendy too. How does anyone make any money on that stuff? Are the markups so high that even with the carrying costs they can make a bit of profit? Do the manufacturers just keep churning these things out and use those dealers for parking spaces? --R (who has little else to ponder on the boring I-26 route) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
gopher it -R On 2/24/15 11:32 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: My friend with the SL is now dangling what would be insultingly-low (if they were mine) prices in front of me. I think he's a 'motivated seller', and he knows I won't screw around. Wife just says: buy one, sell one. Can't fault her logic. I should buy the SL and flip hers for that price, or a tetch more, and get a nice upgrade in the process. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Knives
Don't they flex when you are using them? What about the ceramic knives? --R On 2/24/15 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I love good knives although my expensive Henkel knives aren't as sharp as the cheaper Chinese ones with the thinner blades that cut like a razor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] build sheets
OK will do I'm going to look at this one http://www.mbnorthlake.com/certified/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-38bf7ca40a0a00657da2d4d36fee3e73.htm *2012 MERCEDES-BENZ ML350 BLUETEC * VIN: 4JGDA2EB9CA052421 Turns out the other one is in Colorado --R On 2/26/15 11:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Google Russian VIN sites mercedes and see what comes up. There are a number of them out there that will decide VINs and give you all the options, if that's what you're looking for. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] build sheets
Does anyone have access to build sheets for particular vehicles? *2012 MERCEDES-BENZ ML350 BLUETEC * VIN: 4JGDA2EB9CA052421 *2014 MERCEDES-BENZ ML350 BLUETEC * VIN: 4JGDA2EB8EA397085 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Work test
I was trying to get email set up on my ifon, and for some reason the same settings as on my minipad were not working. I'm not exactly sure what I finally did but it seems to work now. --R On 2/25/15 10:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:50:28 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: iFail. Ifon Shouldn't that be youFail? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
OH NO Now we'll have the gummint demanding fat bags in all cars! --R On 2/26/15 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: He said his doctor also suggested he likely avoided some injuries because he was big and fat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
check this dude out http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-guy-get-completely-ejected-from-his-car-and-1688183818 --R On 2/26/15 1:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: OH NO Now we'll have the gummint demanding fat bags in all cars! --R On 2/26/15 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: He said his doctor also suggested he likely avoided some injuries because he was big and fat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Work test
Ifon --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Testitagainvfgh
Again --R Sent from iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Rich Thomas richthomas79.30...@gmail.com Date: February 25, 2015 at 7:55:03 PM EST To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Testitagainvfgh Hail bcc --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
So you're saying that lack of fatty acids leads to lack of fatty asses? --R On 2/26/15 5:39 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Rich wrote: OH NO Now we'll have the gummint demanding fat bags in all cars! --R On 2/26/15 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: He said his doctor also suggested he likely avoided some injuries because he was big and fat. Fat cells produce chemicals that have a calming effect. Recent research also found that fat produces an antibiotic that allows fat peoples skin injuries to heal more quickly. A study done years ago found that fat retirees who did not diet, lived longer than those who lived on a diet in order to keep from getting fat. (The word fat indicates any excess above the current normal range for their height and bony structure.) Gerry Keeps ya alive longer when ya hafta go into a hospital too. Skinny people don't last long on hospital food... (serious studies on this) Natural fats in food, particularly UNadulterated Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids are essential to human life. Every cell needs them to survive. The lack of these FAs leads to many diseases. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Testtttttt
Blah --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] build sheets
Thanks, I found it on the rooshan web site that Dan suggested I look up. --R On 2/26/15 6:09 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Ask and you shall receive On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have access to build sheets for particular vehicles? *2012 MERCEDES-BENZ ML350 BLUETEC * VIN: 4JGDA2EB9CA052421 *2014 MERCEDES-BENZ ML350 BLUETEC * VIN: 4JGDA2EB8EA397085 -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your consideration. I am providing a public service announcement to make you all aware of the pervasive problem of coded sexism. Yes, for those of you who are not as advanced as I am on critical gender theory, this is A Thing and it is very real. Sexist words include: “polarizing,” “calculating,” “disingenuous,” “insincere,” “ambitious,” “inevitable,” “entitled,” “over confident,” “secretive,” will do anything to win,” “represents the past,” and “out of touch.” Please refrain from using these coded sexism words in your okiebenz posts and perpetuating your microagressions related to these words. Thanks --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
